November 19, 2025 • 33 mins
Nick and Casey return for Episode 33 of the Folk Hogan Podcast — the first episode since wrapping the band’s 2025 tour across the Netherlands, Germany, and Austria. The two break down the final stretch of shows, travel stories, and the wild differences between playing at home and playing in Europe.
Highlights include: • Treehouse living in the Netherlands • Staircase injuries & emergency rooms abroad • First impressions of German cities and venues • The Golden Crown club and Vienna’s full-block power outage • Late-night drives, festivals, and meeting international fans • Bitterballen at Local42, carnival chaos, and the final Irish Home Pub show • Returning home, jet lag recovery, and reorganizing all the touring gear • Moses launching his new guitar repair shop in Salt Lake City
Plus: Nick has been editing tons of new live videos — check out the Folk Hogan YouTube channel for fresh concert footage from the entire EU run.
More at: FolkHogan.com
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This is not the end.
It is only the beginning.
The author will stand.
As the world keeps on spinning.
It is.
Lift up your voice.
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If just for one song.
Rejoice, rejoice.
Please sing along.
Welcome to the folk spoken podcast Ani KC.
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Do real good.
Yeah. Yeah.
How are you, Nick? I'm good.
Not bad at all.
Well,
the last time we got together was.
In the Netherlands for a podcast.
I thought maybeyou guys had done an episode since then.
Not a one.
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I was going to start the.
Yeah, that's,
I was actually to jokingly goingto suggest
that, since Moses is goneand he is roaming
that we play the B-52s roam
around the world, and he would hate itbecause he hates the B-52s.
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He hates them.
But if we didthat, he would kick me out of the band.
So. Well,you'd have to listen to the podcast.
So you don't think it will?
I don't know.
I don't know if you would know.
I don't know.
Well,I'm just I'm just pleased to be here.
Me too.
I mean, what's smoking allowed?
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Yeah, we were in a treehousesomewhere in the Netherlands.
That's right.
Three story treehouse in the woods.
It was really cool.
That place had a crazy staircase.
I'm sure one of us posteda picture of it, but, I mean, it was like
they tried to build a staircasein, like, a three foot
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by two, 1.5ft deep closet.
Just had to build three stories.
Staircase in that tiny,nice little closet.
Yeah.
And of course, like,you don't wear shoes in the house, so
at some point you're inevitably in sockstrying to go up a wooden staircase.
Spiral staircase, just hoping.
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And praying that you don't have to visitthe ER in the Netherlands.
The crazy thing is you have to watchwhere you're going because the stairs,
the surface area of each step is different
and you might think you have plentyof footing on this step.
As soon as you go to that next step,there's like half as much of the
not as area. Not a chance. Not a chance.
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Boy, I'm surprised,
being as clumsy as I am,that I didn't fall down those stairs.
Cameron did, but I didn't.
He did fall. Yeah.
Yeah, I had to take a band member
to the emergency roomonce in the Netherlands because of a
a scary staircasethat ended up in, sprained ankle.
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At least it was busted.
But sometimes a sprain can be worsethan a bust.
We're not living on Stroopwaffles and French fries anymore.
Nope. We're just.
We're just back.
Mountains and mountains.
A bit of Berlin.
I still want to try and make my own.
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Here.
Yeah, I'm just.
I'm just going through listeningto all these signals, wondering
what's buzzing in my ears the first time.
Oh, okay.
Something may not sound good.
Last night.
One of these things is driving me crazy.
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Do I drive me crazy?
It's a little buzz.
What happened to.
Now that you've pointed it out,I can hear it.
It's nothing.
It's something in that microphoneconnection.
It's.
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It's fine.
It's nothing.
The magic of editing won't fix.
So magical.
You make it magical.
Well, what did you think about.
What did you think about the stuffthat you brought to.
Do you feel like
there was one thing that you wishyou would have brought with you on tour,
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and one thing that you just wishyou would have left home?
It's just in right away.
I can say that I.
I want to try.
Wish that I had maybehad Nick brought those neck pillows
because I never used them.
I tried to use them on the flight over,and it just.
It doesn't work for me. Yeah.
I don't know if it's because I have them,like, naturally have a neck pillow,
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you know,
and, Yeah.
So that I looked around to neck pillowsfor nothing
the whole time.
I don't think that I was really, like,
longing for really anything besides,
I don't know,I got really into smoking cigarets
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while we were over there,and I kind of sucked.
Yeah, I've made that.
I made that choice before.
They were pretty good cigarets.
And what the hell, I'm on tour,you know? But,
I mean,
I definitely spent some timebefore we left trying to get myself in
like the right mindset of going over therebecause I just wanted to, like,
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I don't know,I just wanted to be a newborn baby.
Like experiencing everythingwith the wide eyed optimism.
So yeah, that's a good like I was good.
The whole time.
I had a bed to sleepand every night, you know,
I had stuff to do and an awesome time.
So I didn't really feel like I really leftanything behind.
It said maybe good pair of earbudsbecause I had really crappy ones that I.
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Yeah, I feel bad because
Camerongave me a free pair of wireless ones
and like the first time I used them,one of the ears just stopped working.
So dang it.
Yeah.
I left my
I left my headphones in my backpack.
I did something reckless,and I just checked all of my luggage
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and just walked on the planewith a guitar on my back and nothing else.
I didn't grab my medications.
I just had my passport and a guitar and
and because I didn't have the suitcase,they were just like, oh yeah, yeah, no,
there's plenty of roomfor a guitar on this flight.
They're all nice about it.
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But, you know,
an experienced travelerwould never do that.
They would at least take their medicationswith them.
You know, probably
a lot of things that you could replace for48, 72 hours if they got lost.
Yeah.
But in that
I left my headphones
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that I usually wear on, on flights and,
and, and we, we had a two hour layover,
so we had a good like nine hours of flying
with a few hours in between,
where the only option was the free onesthat they give you.
Yeah.
And I was like, they can't be as bad,they can't be as bad.
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As I sit next to Sebastian, I'm like,they can't be as bad as he says they are.
I mean, I'm just like, I'm
sure like we're a little spoiledwhen it comes to audio stuff.
And I put those things in and I was like,wow, like, this is not their bond bad?
Like, I don't think I can watch a moviethis way.
Bad on the air. So,
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so pro tip
just always have your headphones with you
because I always I always take,I always take a pair of,
in-ears with me when I fly.
And then,
you know, just like the ones thatI'm wearing now, you just pop them in,
and they cut out a lot of thatoutside noise because they're the.
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That's what they're made to do with,
with the foam kind of structured earplug
tip that they have on the end of them,
not making that mistake again,that's for sure.
Yeah. Luckily I had, I had a wired
set in my backpack,so that was pretty much covered.
Yeah. Coveredfor the on the way over there.
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It wasn't like the legroom wasn't too bad,
but we were further back in the planeon the way home, which I don't know
if this really makes a difference,but I had, like, no legroom.
Oh yeah. LikeI was literally like spread eagle look.
Felt like the person in frontof me was like in my lap.
I'm a big
dude and I'm tall, so yeah, it'skind of how it goes.
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Yeah.
We we all strategically tried to pickthe best seats, but you don't know.
That doesn't mean thatyou always get to choose where you sit.
It was nice to have the aisle though,so I could like really stretch a leg out,
you know.
Yeah.
But like, I was like, in the wayall the time.
Yeah.
Going up and down the cabinwith a plane that big.
They were like it was pretty much somebodywalking up around all the time.
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Yeah.
And what was the first show that we playedwhen we got back?
Let's see, we just recently playedPiper Down and Aces.
It was its first show backwas, foreign name to state, which is.
Yeah, that's where we're playing.That's what this week.
Yeah. Yeah.
We got up our names.New state coming up this Friday.
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A bunch of shows.
We're closing out the yearwith 3 or 4 more shows, and that drove.
And so if you're listening to thisin real time, then
go check out the datesand make sure you come out to one of ours.
Okay.
And if you're listening to thissometime in the future, we'll probably
be playing showsthen to check your local listings.
You can always find out stuff aboutthe band on our full kogan.com website.
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Very easy.
One word full Kogan com.
Just like the band, just like you.
Yeah.
There were.
There's some huge differences betweenAmerican crowds and crowds in Germany.
In the Netherlands.
I mean, first of all, there'snothing special
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about the fact that we're playing the townwe're from.
Yeah.
No, you know, there's like, oh, so,so like Utah.
Yeah. We've already got we've already got,
we've already got some excitementabout the fact that,
you know, when we're out there in Europe,
we're we're nearly halfwayacross the world.
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So it,
it seems a little bit like more specialjust in that
just from the get go
where if we're like, hey, we're playing,
you know, the south end of the Valley.
And yeah, that we're from
maybe, maybe not.
Not as once in a lifetime experience.
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Definitely.
But we always seem to meet people.
Oh yeah.
That's what I love about it was likejust meeting, the people that were willing
to take a minuteand talk to us for a second.
Like, that's why I think that first showthat we played there
at the skip was like, feltso much like a home show.
Yeah. Like everybody wanted to come up.
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We had people there that we knewactually people that had seen us
or they were already fans of the band,when they went last time.
And you know that basicallythat whole family showed up.
But then another guy came that's beenlistening to you guys for years and years.
Yeah,he was awesome. I forget his name. He's,
I know he livesin France, but he's like, from Scotland.
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Oh, I,I don't remember who you're talking about.
I just remember the one familywho was there, but his family was there.
Yeah. Shout out if you listen.
And then,
and, I'm kicking myselfbecause I totally forgot his name.
And I hung out with himfor, like, half the night and come. But,
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anyway, he's.
So he was there, but then, like,just random
people came up to us,and it was kind of a younger crowd.
Yeah, I felt like kind of a little infirst show.
A little bit of a dive bar. Yeah.
There was like, just very,very, like punk rock, like on the floor.
Yeah.
Very punk rock vibe.
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Standing eye to eye with the crowd and,
you know, there's no there'sno barricades, there's no green room,
there's no tour manager, there's nothere's no separation between us and them.
Yeah.
We're just we're just all theresharing the same breaths of air.
Basically.
And, even thethe sound guy had his mixer board
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at the perfect spotsonically for the room, but
it was literally just like he'd open upthe two back doors of the storage area,
and he was just sitting at the door frame,
just, so that he wouldn'tbe in the way of anybody.
But he would be at like the best
listening vantage point.
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And so that's, that's kind of,that's kind of a fun time.
And yeah, we some flew on some
and, you know,we talked about some of those firsts,
eight shows on the last podcastbecause we had I was just in the middle.
We had just kind ofright in the middle of, of the,
you know, two and a half, three weeksor so that we were out there.
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And afterwe got back from the Germany stint,
I know we hadn't quite done Germany.
We were we were right on the border of
we're staying in right outside of falls,
right on the borderof the Netherlands and Germany.
And we were ready to go
play those Germany shows
and then come backfor the last leg of Netherlands shows.
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That's right.
We stayed there for a couple daysand then we, we drove down to,
was it and I know it was,
neither at all now that, thatthat's the Netherlands.
I forget what city it was,but yeah, that first night in,
Germany was a little Cubclub called the Golden Crown.
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Oh, yeah?
Yeah, the crown,but is translated to Golden Crown.
So this is your first time in Germany.
You speak more Germanthan probably anybody else in the band.
But you'd never been to Germanybefore, right? Yeah.
Took two years of Germany in high school.
What?
How did that change your expectations
of of, of what the country was like?
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Because that first nightwe were at the the golden crown.
The golden crown.
And, you know,we were hearing about the major
shooting that happened in thetown that I grew up or, Utah,
that we were playing this like,
really strange,
laid out.
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I mean, thethe whole bar was like a corner.
Yeah.
Like there's no part of itthat was like, it was kind of angled.
It was like two feet below the street to.
Yeah, like the outside patio.
Like carswere, like, coming past your head. Yeah.
Just dropped down, but,and then we stayed in a basement too.
Yeah. We got an Airbnb and.
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That's right.
I, I, I felt really guilty
because I was making a joke about thereonly being one coffee cup,
or they're only being, like, two cups,and the whole place is it was four of us
stands and and,you know, typically we're very spoiled.
We open up,
you know, we open up, a kitchenor a kitchen out of somewhere.
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It's full. There's it's full of stuff.
And I opened this one upand there was just like two plastic cups
and there's four of us.
And I was trying to make coffee, andI was trying to figure out what to put,
because of course,I was trying to make coffee.
Yeah, it's trying to figure outwhat to put coffee in first thing.
And I was like joking about it.
And within 30s,the owner knocked on the door
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and talked to Cameron for a secondand handed him a coffee mug.
And he came in with this single coffee mugand I just like, immediately was like,
did she hear me?
Had her father'sfather Christmas on there do.
Yeah, I heard, you know,
but she's like, you know,the last people broke the coffee mug.
The single coffee mug.
So here's another single coffee mug.
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You get one.
Yeah.
So we had three cups for the four of us.
I mean, luckily,we had a lot of bottles of things.
Yeah, but just weird.
Drinkingtoo much coffee at that Airbnb. Yeah.
And we went.
We went right from there.
We had a really long driveto Vienna. Yeah.
And that's when we did our
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Vienna, when we
did our show where the power went outon the whole block.
Well, I forget what that place was called.
It was,
I've got it right here written.
I'm looking,
Regan live. Regan. Live.
That's right. Yeah.
And it that man, that club was like.
You could tell about ancient.
It was so old, but you could tellat one point it was a swanky club.
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Like a place to be, dude.
Yeah, it reminded me of that, CocoBongo Club on the mask.
I don't know if you seen the mask.
Yeah, yeah, it'svery, like 60s ish like that.
Like, would have been perfectfor, like, a swing band and, like.
Yeah, all these tables, but, like,I think there was like 11 people.
I'm not sure.
Not a ton of show up,but the coolest people, honestly.
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And then and they let us knowleading up to it, hey,
you know, haven't solda ton of tickets, haven't sold a ton.
I think they had
11 presalesand then they had some more walk up.
Yeah. That's right. Yeah.
Throughout the night.
But yeah, at one pointwe played a few songs
pretty much in the darkbecause all that was on was the kick on
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emergency power floodlights and
and then we all went outside for a second
and it was just
really confusing and weirdbecause the whole block was out.
Yeah. And right next tothat place was a McDonald's.
And and that's likea very unsettling thing to see.
The see the golden arches down.
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Lower down. Yeah.
So just long enoughfor us to have a cigaret and, and then
and then it was all right back onand we played the rest of the show.
Yeah.
And then we had another really,really long drive to the b b b b.
Yeah.
We festivalwe just had to go for Nuremberg.
It was.
Or we did that one night in Nuremberg,Germany.
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Yeah we did.
Oh yeah.
We had one night of just like chill night.
We all tried to get as much sleepas possible.
Yeah, I slept pretty goodmost of the time I was there.
But yeah,I don't know about anybody else, but,
Nuremberg.
I was like, as we were driving out,
that was kind of a tripbecause we drove past a lot of like
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the old, like the old train station,and there's like, this.
Really, I just remember seeingthis really old, like, inner city wall.
And Moses is like, dude, check that out.
And we look over on the walland you can still see,
like, bullet hole, like 50 bulletholes in the wall, you know,
that was a trip to see.
Yeah.
And like Germany in general for me,
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you're asking if like,what if it met my expectations.
But like
in German class, you know,you see like pictures of Bavaria and like,
every once in a while you'll seelike, inner city, but not very much.
Yeah.
And so the first part
of going to like going to Germanyin Vienna and back like that trip was
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if we were in a city,it was like a fairly modern city.
Yeah.
Which is cool to see is different sidethat it was used to,
like of seeing textbooks or videosor whatever that I saw.
But then when we went out to orange Dot,
which is in East Germany,everything was really old.
Yeah, like all the little villagesthat we drove through
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where, like,every house had the same roof,
you know, a bunch of little houses and,and every single one of those villages
had a fucking churchright in the middle of it.
And you could just see it
like every single one of us just pop upand we'd pass them.
Those are cool.
And that was more ofwhat I was envisioned.
Yeah,
yeah, there's there's that juxtaposition
of these really old thingsand this very modern thing. Yes.
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And how they've all blended together and,
you know, a lot of very oldthings have been well
maintained for sure.
Yeah.
Even Edo's house, even Udo was house.
And then we were at house.
I've gone. Oh, yeah. House.
Which had like a really cool fish logo.
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And I had a fish replica guitar. Yeah.
And, it was a venue ran by.
It was like a nonprofit.
Yeah, it's like a collective.
Like there was just a bunch of cool peoplethat were like.
Let's. Let's put together a rock club.
Yeah.
And so they they do shows there,they do events
there, and,
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and they were all just really nice.
And they, you know, they all wantedto be there because of that.
And they all
and on a volunteer basis
made it a really outstanding thing.
Yeah. It was incredible.
They were all set up forlike kind of an outdoor festival area too.
They had a really big outdoor stage,like the indoor stage was just cool
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because like behind us was likejust a big bay window of glass looking out
onto like a, like a small little ravinethat was just covered in trees.
And it was beautiful there little
was that vimos curtain, vimos curtain,I think, was the city name.
Yeah.
How safe King was cool.
We got to we got to hang out with a few ofthe volunteers, a couple of them.
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And it was a Sunday all night.
It was a Sunday.
So I, I, I was like,I'm gonna go get coffee.
There's a place, you know, a kilometeraway.
It's very I'm just gonna walk over thereand everybody's like, oh,
you know, we're not doing anything else.
Just drive over there. Okay?
So we drive over there and we.
And I'm driving and it's strangely enough,
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it's like a two kilometer drivebecause it would be there.
Just go across this fieldor drive around the loopy, weird road.
So we drove around the weird, weird,loopy roads
and we got thereand everybody was just roaring laughing
because it was a hospitaland it was a cafe and a hospital.
Well, being a Sunday, nothing's open.
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Yeah, that's what was open.
And, you know, that's the thingthat Germany does is they actually
they actually closed.
They have shopping daysand they have, you know, days when
life is more urgent.
And stay home with the fam cooksome dinner.
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Yeah.
And so one point I had to goto the bathroom and I just had to walk
through the front foyer of the hospitalinto one of the hospital bathrooms.
And I was like, this is strange.
It's pretty good coffee though.
Yeah.
Ice cream was cheap. Yeah.
And all the good stuff.
Yeah.
I mean, eat some good food at house.
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I've been to some cannot German food and.
Yeah, that was awesome.
Cannot complain about that
at all.
And then we played a couple of festivalsback in Netherlands.
Yeah.
The one in here. Yeah.
Was that was pretty cool.
Amazing.
It was like, festival for
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I mean, there were a few barbers there.
They kind of made it seem likeit was all for,
like, barbers, but it didn't seem likethere was that much barbering happening.
Yeah, I don't know. There was.
So there was definitely somebodygiving haircuts. Yeah,
probably the beard trims too.
And beard trims, which is fun. Yeah.
But it was like just a cool.
This is a cool neighborhood thing. Yeah.
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A little neighborhood thing.
But it was it rained a lot that dayand it was outdoors.
So everybody was tucking underwherever they could find shelter.
And a lot of themwere very prepared for the weather.
So they had umbrellas and ponchosand all that.
Oh, what have you.
I remember Mosestied one of his dreadlocks
to this random ladythat also had dreadlocks.
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Yeah,
that was hilarious.
It was just a way to get to know her.You don't see any beauty, really.
She was laughing really hard. And then.
And then her
her husband came over and he was laughingreally hard at what happened. And,
you know, some other bluegrass band.
Yeah.
That we also hung out withat the next festival that we played at.
Yeah.Because they were going to be at both.
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Yeah, it was cool.
And we played the Wild and Free Festival.
Yeah, that was pretty incredible.
That was gorgeous.
It's like on a farm. Yeah, big old farm.
Tons of people.
2 or 3 stages, 5 or 600 people.
Several beer trailers.
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Yeah, dude,we were headlining the whole thing
that Saturday night, and and,
you know, the crowd was really engagedand and it was just it was just gorgeous.
And then I remember talking with Mosesabout the crowd just because, like,
most of the bands that we played withweren't, I don't know, they
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was just kind of a different
genre,which is not usually a problem for us.
But there's that worry that they might notstick around for a band
they never heard of. You know what I mean?
It's getting late, people getting drunkand but no, they stuck around.
They were totally into it.
They brought a bit of all in on stage,but just 17 year old kids were cracking.
Peters for me.
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Yeah, it was goodtime. Real good too. Yeah.
Those kids were riot.
Yeah, they're great.
They were they were nuts.
I love them, merch and. Yeah.
And then one of our favoriteall time tour enders,
low Cal 42, second from the N and Helmand.
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And we got to see all the friends.
Low cal 42.
I finally got to meet these peoplethat they talked about.
I got my firstand only flight, vegan, bitter balling
because they make them in-house there.
Yeah. Fantastic.
Yeah, they're a bit of bone witheverything they make there is amazing.
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She made a savage.
Several different versions of Bitter Bone.
Yeah, they were all amazing, all killer.
And then we played that last,
Irish home pub.
Oh that's right. Yeah.
In the middle of, carnival going on.
That's the one I Berginwe got out of that one.
Yeah.
And there's, there's about seven songsthat I've put up on YouTube
(27:24):
that they're all, you can go
watch the live show and hear whatwe sounded like on the last day of,
several week tours that we didpretty good.
We were pretty tight by then.
Like, yeah,
one of our, one of our really frequent,
attendees
showed up to our first show back
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and was like, dude,
that you guys are playing so wellright now.
That's like the tightestthat I've ever heard your band.
I've been to all these shows.
All these locations is the tightestI've ever heard you guys be.
And I was like, well, we just playeda show every day for three weeks.
Like, that's what happens.
Becomes second nature to you.
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Well, what else?
What else was a shock about coming home?
We had to switch all of our gear back,and now it's kind of strange because,
you know,where did I put that cord or that pack or.
Yeah, I completely forgot.
Like, where I put, like, all of mywireless, my instrument wireless stuff.
Yeah, you have to.
And I had stuffed it in because I used to.
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I used, like, a soft case over there. Yep.
Because it was better on the plane.
And so I put all of my
wireless stuff in my hard caseand just totally forgot that I.
Totally reasonable placebecause you think, yeah,
I'm going to come homeand I'm going to switch back, and then
you just you just don't.
Oh, always.
That first week back, I thinkthe hardest thing for me was the jet lag.
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That was it didn't hit me at allwhen we were over there.
I think maybe a little bit, but once,
like, day two, I was used to it.
Yeah.
And like, it was kind of playinglate nights anyway, so
there was much to get used to,but coming back here was hell.
It was like two weeks of it. It's like,
it was super easy for mebecause it just put me from my way,
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way late schedule to basically I wake up,
7 or 8 a.m.
Utah time. Yeah,
I just happened to delay
was just happenedto be the right amount of delay.
Yeah.
It was like, oh, instead of staying up
until four in the morning,I'm going to fall asleep at 11 p.m.
and wake up very early.
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Yeah, well, that's easy. I,
it wasn't.
Yeah, I, it wasn'tthe mornings that were bad. Yeah.
It's like when I get home at nightand I want to, like, get shit done, like,
no way out of 6:00.
I was passing out.
Yeah, not a chance of that.
That's fair.
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Well, We,
We had to replace
very little damaged gear, and.
Yeah, we we've now got everything back
into regular fashion and,
we changed out a split snake for
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a couple of rack units.
Oh. That's right.
Yeah, we had a couple broken microphones
that have either been replaced or repaired
or are in the process of that.
You know, nothing major.
Nothing.
Nothing got lost, nothing got stolen.
We sold a ton of merch.
Yeah, we did pretty good.
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We ended up having to have Ashleycome out with,
another suitcase when she came out.
Thank you. Ashley.
And, she was out there to celebrate herbirthday.
Yeah, I let Moses tell that storywhen he's back on in a week or two.
It's a good idea. Moses is back.
Moses is back on the podcast
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as soon as he can get
a breath of,oh, yeah, he just said, poor guy.
He just made a decision to,
to move his his business and buy, buy
a section of the businesshe was working for.
I shouldn't say, poor guy. It'sit's exciting thing.
It's exciting,but it's also a lot of work.
It already?
(31:25):
Yeah.
We're all we're all pitching inwith, like, little tiny bits
and just seeing glimpsesof how difficult the, starting a business,
moving a whole inventory and everythingover to a new location can be,
you know, I'msure part of the thought was,
you know, it's kind of it's somethingthat they're doing every day already.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
But there's a whole other side of itnow that he has to take on himself and
(31:49):
I have,
you know, every bit of faiththat he's going to kick its ass.
Oh my gosh, he's going to kill itbecause we're all going to help him. And
where
else are you going to go for goodrepair shop for sure.
He so he's the guitars are shut down.
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And he took the repair departmentthat he managed for three years,
and he bought that side of the businessand he's he's putting it just a block
or two away from where we rehearse,right in the heart of Salt Lake City.
And so now people will be able to continueto get excellent service.
There just won't be a retail guitar shopattached to it anymore.
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It's an easy address to remember.
2212 South South Temple.
Yeah, we'll talk about ita bunch in the future.
Well, yeah.
For nowwe're going to call that an episode.
Cool. And we'll come back and talk about.
On the next episode,
we'll talk about all of the other.
(32:56):
We'll talk about all the other shit thatwe got into our dark skin to skin boot.
Since we got back from Star.
Check us out on full Kokomo.
Go subscribe to the YouTube becausewe don't just put the podcasts up there.
Yeah,we also put all of the live show footage.
I've been editing show footage.
(33:18):
And for those little hands like 20 hoursa week,
you have an insaneamount of new content. So.
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We'll see you in the pit later, guys.
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This is not the end.
It is only the beginning.
The author will stand.
As the world keeps on spinning.
It is.
Lift up your voice.
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Do real good.
Yeah. Yeah.
How are you, Nick? I'm good.
Not bad at all.
Well,
the last time we got together was.
In the Netherlands for a podcast.
I thought maybeyou guys had done an episode since then.
Not a one.
(01:10):
I was going to start the.
Yeah, that's,
I was actually to jokingly goingto suggest
that, since Moses is goneand he is roaming
that we play the B-52s roam
around the world, and he would hate itbecause he hates the B-52s.
(01:31):
He hates them.
But if we didthat, he would kick me out of the band.
So. Well,you'd have to listen to the podcast.
So you don't think it will?
I don't know.
I don't know if you would know.
I don't know.
Well,I'm just I'm just pleased to be here.
Me too.
I mean, what's smoking allowed?
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Yeah, we were in a treehousesomewhere in the Netherlands.
That's right.
Three story treehouse in the woods.
It was really cool.
That place had a crazy staircase.
I'm sure one of us posteda picture of it, but, I mean, it was like
they tried to build a staircasein, like, a three foot
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by two, 1.5ft deep closet.
Just had to build three stories.
Staircase in that tiny,nice little closet.
Yeah.
And of course, like,you don't wear shoes in the house, so
at some point you're inevitably in sockstrying to go up a wooden staircase.
Spiral staircase, just hoping.
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And praying that you don't have to visitthe ER in the Netherlands.
The crazy thing is you have to watchwhere you're going because the stairs,
the surface area of each step is different
and you might think you have plentyof footing on this step.
As soon as you go to that next step,there's like half as much of the
not as area. Not a chance. Not a chance.
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Boy, I'm surprised,
being as clumsy as I am,that I didn't fall down those stairs.
Cameron did, but I didn't.
He did fall. Yeah.
Yeah, I had to take a band member
to the emergency roomonce in the Netherlands because of a
a scary staircasethat ended up in, sprained ankle.
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At least it was busted.
But sometimes a sprain can be worsethan a bust.
We're not living on Stroopwaffles and French fries anymore.
Nope. We're just.
We're just back.
Mountains and mountains.
A bit of Berlin.
I still want to try and make my own.
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Here.
Yeah, I'm just.
I'm just going through listeningto all these signals, wondering
what's buzzing in my ears the first time.
Oh, okay.
Something may not sound good.
Last night.
One of these things is driving me crazy.
(04:09):
Do I drive me crazy?
It's a little buzz.
What happened to.
Now that you've pointed it out,I can hear it.
It's nothing.
It's something in that microphoneconnection.
It's.
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It's fine.
It's nothing.
The magic of editing won't fix.
So magical.
You make it magical.
Well, what did you think about.
What did you think about the stuffthat you brought to.
Do you feel like
there was one thing that you wishyou would have brought with you on tour,
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and one thing that you just wishyou would have left home?
It's just in right away.
I can say that I.
I want to try.
Wish that I had maybehad Nick brought those neck pillows
because I never used them.
I tried to use them on the flight over,and it just.
It doesn't work for me. Yeah.
I don't know if it's because I have them,like, naturally have a neck pillow,
(05:14):
you know,
and, Yeah.
So that I looked around to neck pillowsfor nothing
the whole time.
I don't think that I was really, like,
longing for really anything besides,
I don't know,I got really into smoking cigarets
(05:36):
while we were over there,and I kind of sucked.
Yeah, I've made that.
I made that choice before.
They were pretty good cigarets.
And what the hell, I'm on tour,you know? But,
I mean,
I definitely spent some timebefore we left trying to get myself in
like the right mindset of going over therebecause I just wanted to, like,
(05:59):
I don't know,I just wanted to be a newborn baby.
Like experiencing everythingwith the wide eyed optimism.
So yeah, that's a good like I was good.
The whole time.
I had a bed to sleepand every night, you know,
I had stuff to do and an awesome time.
So I didn't really feel like I really leftanything behind.
It said maybe good pair of earbudsbecause I had really crappy ones that I.
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Yeah, I feel bad because
Camerongave me a free pair of wireless ones
and like the first time I used them,one of the ears just stopped working.
So dang it.
Yeah.
I left my
I left my headphones in my backpack.
I did something reckless,and I just checked all of my luggage
(06:43):
and just walked on the planewith a guitar on my back and nothing else.
I didn't grab my medications.
I just had my passport and a guitar and
and because I didn't have the suitcase,they were just like, oh yeah, yeah, no,
there's plenty of roomfor a guitar on this flight.
They're all nice about it.
(07:08):
But, you know,
an experienced travelerwould never do that.
They would at least take their medicationswith them.
You know, probably
a lot of things that you could replace for48, 72 hours if they got lost.
Yeah.
But in that
I left my headphones
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that I usually wear on, on flights and,
and, and we, we had a two hour layover,
so we had a good like nine hours of flying
with a few hours in between,
where the only option was the free onesthat they give you.
Yeah.
And I was like, they can't be as bad,they can't be as bad.
(07:51):
As I sit next to Sebastian, I'm like,they can't be as bad as he says they are.
I mean, I'm just like, I'm
sure like we're a little spoiledwhen it comes to audio stuff.
And I put those things in and I was like,wow, like, this is not their bond bad?
Like, I don't think I can watch a moviethis way.
Bad on the air. So,
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so pro tip
just always have your headphones with you
because I always I always take,I always take a pair of,
in-ears with me when I fly.
And then,
you know, just like the ones thatI'm wearing now, you just pop them in,
and they cut out a lot of thatoutside noise because they're the.
(08:34):
That's what they're made to do with,
with the foam kind of structured earplug
tip that they have on the end of them,
not making that mistake again,that's for sure.
Yeah. Luckily I had, I had a wired
set in my backpack,so that was pretty much covered.
Yeah. Coveredfor the on the way over there.
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It wasn't like the legroom wasn't too bad,
but we were further back in the planeon the way home, which I don't know
if this really makes a difference,but I had, like, no legroom.
Oh yeah. LikeI was literally like spread eagle look.
Felt like the person in frontof me was like in my lap.
I'm a big
dude and I'm tall, so yeah, it'skind of how it goes.
(09:17):
Yeah.
We we all strategically tried to pickthe best seats, but you don't know.
That doesn't mean thatyou always get to choose where you sit.
It was nice to have the aisle though,so I could like really stretch a leg out,
you know.
Yeah.
But like, I was like, in the wayall the time.
Yeah.
Going up and down the cabinwith a plane that big.
They were like it was pretty much somebodywalking up around all the time.
(09:41):
Yeah.
And what was the first show that we playedwhen we got back?
Let's see, we just recently playedPiper Down and Aces.
It was its first show backwas, foreign name to state, which is.
Yeah, that's where we're playing.That's what this week.
Yeah. Yeah.
We got up our names.New state coming up this Friday.
(10:03):
A bunch of shows.
We're closing out the yearwith 3 or 4 more shows, and that drove.
And so if you're listening to thisin real time, then
go check out the datesand make sure you come out to one of ours.
Okay.
And if you're listening to thissometime in the future, we'll probably
be playing showsthen to check your local listings.
You can always find out stuff aboutthe band on our full kogan.com website.
(10:28):
Very easy.
One word full Kogan com.
Just like the band, just like you.
Yeah.
There were.
There's some huge differences betweenAmerican crowds and crowds in Germany.
In the Netherlands.
I mean, first of all, there'snothing special
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about the fact that we're playing the townwe're from.
Yeah.
No, you know, there's like, oh, so,so like Utah.
Yeah. We've already got we've already got,
we've already got some excitementabout the fact that,
you know, when we're out there in Europe,
we're we're nearly halfwayacross the world.
(11:12):
So it,
it seems a little bit like more specialjust in that
just from the get go
where if we're like, hey, we're playing,
you know, the south end of the Valley.
And yeah, that we're from
maybe, maybe not.
Not as once in a lifetime experience.
(11:34):
Definitely.
But we always seem to meet people.
Oh yeah.
That's what I love about it was likejust meeting, the people that were willing
to take a minuteand talk to us for a second.
Like, that's why I think that first showthat we played there
at the skip was like, feltso much like a home show.
Yeah. Like everybody wanted to come up.
(11:56):
We had people there that we knewactually people that had seen us
or they were already fans of the band,when they went last time.
And you know that basicallythat whole family showed up.
But then another guy came that's beenlistening to you guys for years and years.
Yeah,he was awesome. I forget his name. He's,
I know he livesin France, but he's like, from Scotland.
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Oh, I,I don't remember who you're talking about.
I just remember the one familywho was there, but his family was there.
Yeah. Shout out if you listen.
And then,
and, I'm kicking myselfbecause I totally forgot his name.
And I hung out with himfor, like, half the night and come. But,
(12:38):
anyway, he's.
So he was there, but then, like,just random
people came up to us,and it was kind of a younger crowd.
Yeah, I felt like kind of a little infirst show.
A little bit of a dive bar. Yeah.
There was like, just very,very, like punk rock, like on the floor.
Yeah.
Very punk rock vibe.
(12:59):
Standing eye to eye with the crowd and,
you know, there's no there'sno barricades, there's no green room,
there's no tour manager, there's nothere's no separation between us and them.
Yeah.
We're just we're just all theresharing the same breaths of air.
Basically.
And, even thethe sound guy had his mixer board
(13:23):
at the perfect spotsonically for the room, but
it was literally just like he'd open upthe two back doors of the storage area,
and he was just sitting at the door frame,
just, so that he wouldn'tbe in the way of anybody.
But he would be at like the best
listening vantage point.
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And so that's, that's kind of,that's kind of a fun time.
And yeah, we some flew on some
and, you know,we talked about some of those firsts,
eight shows on the last podcastbecause we had I was just in the middle.
We had just kind ofright in the middle of, of the,
you know, two and a half, three weeksor so that we were out there.
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And afterwe got back from the Germany stint,
I know we hadn't quite done Germany.
We were we were right on the border of
we're staying in right outside of falls,
right on the borderof the Netherlands and Germany.
And we were ready to go
play those Germany shows
and then come backfor the last leg of Netherlands shows.
(14:29):
That's right.
We stayed there for a couple daysand then we, we drove down to,
was it and I know it was,
neither at all now that, thatthat's the Netherlands.
I forget what city it was,but yeah, that first night in,
Germany was a little Cubclub called the Golden Crown.
(14:50):
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, the crown,but is translated to Golden Crown.
So this is your first time in Germany.
You speak more Germanthan probably anybody else in the band.
But you'd never been to Germanybefore, right? Yeah.
Took two years of Germany in high school.
What?
How did that change your expectations
of of, of what the country was like?
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Because that first nightwe were at the the golden crown.
The golden crown.
And, you know,we were hearing about the major
shooting that happened in thetown that I grew up or, Utah,
that we were playing this like,
really strange,
laid out.
(15:36):
I mean, thethe whole bar was like a corner.
Yeah.
Like there's no part of itthat was like, it was kind of angled.
It was like two feet below the street to.
Yeah, like the outside patio.
Like carswere, like, coming past your head. Yeah.
Just dropped down, but,and then we stayed in a basement too.
Yeah. We got an Airbnb and.
(15:56):
That's right.
I, I, I felt really guilty
because I was making a joke about thereonly being one coffee cup,
or they're only being, like, two cups,and the whole place is it was four of us
stands and and,you know, typically we're very spoiled.
We open up,
you know, we open up, a kitchenor a kitchen out of somewhere.
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It's full. There's it's full of stuff.
And I opened this one upand there was just like two plastic cups
and there's four of us.
And I was trying to make coffee, andI was trying to figure out what to put,
because of course,I was trying to make coffee.
Yeah, it's trying to figure outwhat to put coffee in first thing.
And I was like joking about it.
And within 30s,the owner knocked on the door
(16:41):
and talked to Cameron for a secondand handed him a coffee mug.
And he came in with this single coffee mugand I just like, immediately was like,
did she hear me?
Had her father'sfather Christmas on there do.
Yeah, I heard, you know,
but she's like, you know,the last people broke the coffee mug.
The single coffee mug.
So here's another single coffee mug.
(17:01):
You get one.
Yeah.
So we had three cups for the four of us.
I mean, luckily,we had a lot of bottles of things.
Yeah, but just weird.
Drinkingtoo much coffee at that Airbnb. Yeah.
And we went.
We went right from there.
We had a really long driveto Vienna. Yeah.
And that's when we did our
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Vienna, when we
did our show where the power went outon the whole block.
Well, I forget what that place was called.
It was,
I've got it right here written.
I'm looking,
Regan live. Regan. Live.
That's right. Yeah.
And it that man, that club was like.
You could tell about ancient.
It was so old, but you could tellat one point it was a swanky club.
(17:44):
Like a place to be, dude.
Yeah, it reminded me of that, CocoBongo Club on the mask.
I don't know if you seen the mask.
Yeah, yeah, it'svery, like 60s ish like that.
Like, would have been perfectfor, like, a swing band and, like.
Yeah, all these tables, but, like,I think there was like 11 people.
I'm not sure.
Not a ton of show up,but the coolest people, honestly.
(18:05):
And then and they let us knowleading up to it, hey,
you know, haven't solda ton of tickets, haven't sold a ton.
I think they had
11 presalesand then they had some more walk up.
Yeah. That's right. Yeah.
Throughout the night.
But yeah, at one pointwe played a few songs
pretty much in the darkbecause all that was on was the kick on
(18:25):
emergency power floodlights and
and then we all went outside for a second
and it was just
really confusing and weirdbecause the whole block was out.
Yeah. And right next tothat place was a McDonald's.
And and that's likea very unsettling thing to see.
The see the golden arches down.
(18:47):
Lower down. Yeah.
So just long enoughfor us to have a cigaret and, and then
and then it was all right back onand we played the rest of the show.
Yeah.
And then we had another really,really long drive to the b b b b.
Yeah.
We festivalwe just had to go for Nuremberg.
It was.
Or we did that one night in Nuremberg,Germany.
(19:09):
Yeah we did.
Oh yeah.
We had one night of just like chill night.
We all tried to get as much sleepas possible.
Yeah, I slept pretty goodmost of the time I was there.
But yeah,I don't know about anybody else, but,
Nuremberg.
I was like, as we were driving out,
that was kind of a tripbecause we drove past a lot of like
(19:30):
the old, like the old train station,and there's like, this.
Really, I just remember seeingthis really old, like, inner city wall.
And Moses is like, dude, check that out.
And we look over on the walland you can still see,
like, bullet hole, like 50 bulletholes in the wall, you know,
that was a trip to see.
Yeah.
And like Germany in general for me,
(19:52):
you're asking if like,what if it met my expectations.
But like
in German class, you know,you see like pictures of Bavaria and like,
every once in a while you'll seelike, inner city, but not very much.
Yeah.
And so the first part
of going to like going to Germanyin Vienna and back like that trip was
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if we were in a city,it was like a fairly modern city.
Yeah.
Which is cool to see is different sidethat it was used to,
like of seeing textbooks or videosor whatever that I saw.
But then when we went out to orange Dot,
which is in East Germany,everything was really old.
Yeah, like all the little villagesthat we drove through
(20:32):
where, like,every house had the same roof,
you know, a bunch of little houses and,and every single one of those villages
had a fucking churchright in the middle of it.
And you could just see it
like every single one of us just pop upand we'd pass them.
Those are cool.
And that was more ofwhat I was envisioned.
Yeah,
yeah, there's there's that juxtaposition
of these really old thingsand this very modern thing. Yes.
(20:56):
And how they've all blended together and,
you know, a lot of very oldthings have been well
maintained for sure.
Yeah.
Even Edo's house, even Udo was house.
And then we were at house.
I've gone. Oh, yeah. House.
Which had like a really cool fish logo.
(21:18):
And I had a fish replica guitar. Yeah.
And, it was a venue ran by.
It was like a nonprofit.
Yeah, it's like a collective.
Like there was just a bunch of cool peoplethat were like.
Let's. Let's put together a rock club.
Yeah.
And so they they do shows there,they do events
there, and,
(21:41):
and they were all just really nice.
And they, you know, they all wantedto be there because of that.
And they all
and on a volunteer basis
made it a really outstanding thing.
Yeah. It was incredible.
They were all set up forlike kind of an outdoor festival area too.
They had a really big outdoor stage,like the indoor stage was just cool
(22:04):
because like behind us was likejust a big bay window of glass looking out
onto like a, like a small little ravinethat was just covered in trees.
And it was beautiful there little
was that vimos curtain, vimos curtain,I think, was the city name.
Yeah.
How safe King was cool.
We got to we got to hang out with a few ofthe volunteers, a couple of them.
(22:25):
And it was a Sunday all night.
It was a Sunday.
So I, I, I was like,I'm gonna go get coffee.
There's a place, you know, a kilometeraway.
It's very I'm just gonna walk over thereand everybody's like, oh,
you know, we're not doing anything else.
Just drive over there. Okay?
So we drive over there and we.
And I'm driving and it's strangely enough,
(22:46):
it's like a two kilometer drivebecause it would be there.
Just go across this fieldor drive around the loopy, weird road.
So we drove around the weird, weird,loopy roads
and we got thereand everybody was just roaring laughing
because it was a hospitaland it was a cafe and a hospital.
Well, being a Sunday, nothing's open.
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Yeah, that's what was open.
And, you know, that's the thingthat Germany does is they actually
they actually closed.
They have shopping daysand they have, you know, days when
life is more urgent.
And stay home with the fam cooksome dinner.
(23:28):
Yeah.
And so one point I had to goto the bathroom and I just had to walk
through the front foyer of the hospitalinto one of the hospital bathrooms.
And I was like, this is strange.
It's pretty good coffee though.
Yeah.
Ice cream was cheap. Yeah.
And all the good stuff.
Yeah.
I mean, eat some good food at house.
(23:50):
I've been to some cannot German food and.
Yeah, that was awesome.
Cannot complain about that
at all.
And then we played a couple of festivalsback in Netherlands.
Yeah.
The one in here. Yeah.
Was that was pretty cool.
Amazing.
It was like, festival for
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I mean, there were a few barbers there.
They kind of made it seem likeit was all for,
like, barbers, but it didn't seem likethere was that much barbering happening.
Yeah, I don't know. There was.
So there was definitely somebodygiving haircuts. Yeah,
probably the beard trims too.
And beard trims, which is fun. Yeah.
But it was like just a cool.
This is a cool neighborhood thing. Yeah.
(24:32):
A little neighborhood thing.
But it was it rained a lot that dayand it was outdoors.
So everybody was tucking underwherever they could find shelter.
And a lot of themwere very prepared for the weather.
So they had umbrellas and ponchosand all that.
Oh, what have you.
I remember Mosestied one of his dreadlocks
to this random ladythat also had dreadlocks.
(24:54):
Yeah,
that was hilarious.
It was just a way to get to know her.You don't see any beauty, really.
She was laughing really hard. And then.
And then her
her husband came over and he was laughingreally hard at what happened. And,
you know, some other bluegrass band.
Yeah.
That we also hung out withat the next festival that we played at.
Yeah.Because they were going to be at both.
(25:14):
Yeah, it was cool.
And we played the Wild and Free Festival.
Yeah, that was pretty incredible.
That was gorgeous.
It's like on a farm. Yeah, big old farm.
Tons of people.
2 or 3 stages, 5 or 600 people.
Several beer trailers.
(25:35):
Yeah, dude,we were headlining the whole thing
that Saturday night, and and,
you know, the crowd was really engagedand and it was just it was just gorgeous.
And then I remember talking with Mosesabout the crowd just because, like,
most of the bands that we played withweren't, I don't know, they
(25:56):
was just kind of a different
genre,which is not usually a problem for us.
But there's that worry that they might notstick around for a band
they never heard of. You know what I mean?
It's getting late, people getting drunkand but no, they stuck around.
They were totally into it.
They brought a bit of all in on stage,but just 17 year old kids were cracking.
Peters for me.
(26:17):
Yeah, it was goodtime. Real good too. Yeah.
Those kids were riot.
Yeah, they're great.
They were they were nuts.
I love them, merch and. Yeah.
And then one of our favoriteall time tour enders,
low Cal 42, second from the N and Helmand.
(26:39):
And we got to see all the friends.
Low cal 42.
I finally got to meet these peoplethat they talked about.
I got my firstand only flight, vegan, bitter balling
because they make them in-house there.
Yeah. Fantastic.
Yeah, they're a bit of bone witheverything they make there is amazing.
(27:01):
She made a savage.
Several different versions of Bitter Bone.
Yeah, they were all amazing, all killer.
And then we played that last,
Irish home pub.
Oh that's right. Yeah.
In the middle of, carnival going on.
That's the one I Berginwe got out of that one.
Yeah.
And there's, there's about seven songsthat I've put up on YouTube
(27:24):
that they're all, you can go
watch the live show and hear whatwe sounded like on the last day of,
several week tours that we didpretty good.
We were pretty tight by then.
Like, yeah,
one of our, one of our really frequent,
attendees
showed up to our first show back
(27:46):
and was like, dude,
that you guys are playing so wellright now.
That's like the tightestthat I've ever heard your band.
I've been to all these shows.
All these locations is the tightestI've ever heard you guys be.
And I was like, well, we just playeda show every day for three weeks.
Like, that's what happens.
Becomes second nature to you.
(28:09):
Well, what else?
What else was a shock about coming home?
We had to switch all of our gear back,and now it's kind of strange because,
you know,where did I put that cord or that pack or.
Yeah, I completely forgot.
Like, where I put, like, all of mywireless, my instrument wireless stuff.
Yeah, you have to.
And I had stuffed it in because I used to.
(28:30):
I used, like, a soft case over there. Yep.
Because it was better on the plane.
And so I put all of my
wireless stuff in my hard caseand just totally forgot that I.
Totally reasonable placebecause you think, yeah,
I'm going to come homeand I'm going to switch back, and then
you just you just don't.
Oh, always.
That first week back, I thinkthe hardest thing for me was the jet lag.
(28:53):
That was it didn't hit me at allwhen we were over there.
I think maybe a little bit, but once,
like, day two, I was used to it.
Yeah.
And like, it was kind of playinglate nights anyway, so
there was much to get used to,but coming back here was hell.
It was like two weeks of it. It's like,
it was super easy for mebecause it just put me from my way,
(29:17):
way late schedule to basically I wake up,
7 or 8 a.m.
Utah time. Yeah,
I just happened to delay
was just happenedto be the right amount of delay.
Yeah.
It was like, oh, instead of staying up
until four in the morning,I'm going to fall asleep at 11 p.m.
and wake up very early.
(29:38):
Yeah, well, that's easy. I,
it wasn't.
Yeah, I, it wasn'tthe mornings that were bad. Yeah.
It's like when I get home at nightand I want to, like, get shit done, like,
no way out of 6:00.
I was passing out.
Yeah, not a chance of that.
That's fair.
(29:59):
Well, We,
We had to replace
very little damaged gear, and.
Yeah, we we've now got everything back
into regular fashion and,
we changed out a split snake for
(30:21):
a couple of rack units.
Oh. That's right.
Yeah, we had a couple broken microphones
that have either been replaced or repaired
or are in the process of that.
You know, nothing major.
Nothing.
Nothing got lost, nothing got stolen.
We sold a ton of merch.
Yeah, we did pretty good.
(30:42):
We ended up having to have Ashleycome out with,
another suitcase when she came out.
Thank you. Ashley.
And, she was out there to celebrate herbirthday.
Yeah, I let Moses tell that storywhen he's back on in a week or two.
It's a good idea. Moses is back.
Moses is back on the podcast
(31:04):
as soon as he can get
a breath of,oh, yeah, he just said, poor guy.
He just made a decision to,
to move his his business and buy, buy
a section of the businesshe was working for.
I shouldn't say, poor guy. It'sit's exciting thing.
It's exciting,but it's also a lot of work.
It already?
(31:25):
Yeah.
We're all we're all pitching inwith, like, little tiny bits
and just seeing glimpsesof how difficult the, starting a business,
moving a whole inventory and everythingover to a new location can be,
you know, I'msure part of the thought was,
you know, it's kind of it's somethingthat they're doing every day already.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
But there's a whole other side of itnow that he has to take on himself and
(31:49):
I have,
you know, every bit of faiththat he's going to kick its ass.
Oh my gosh, he's going to kill itbecause we're all going to help him. And
where
else are you going to go for goodrepair shop for sure.
He so he's the guitars are shut down.
(32:10):
And he took the repair departmentthat he managed for three years,
and he bought that side of the businessand he's he's putting it just a block
or two away from where we rehearse,right in the heart of Salt Lake City.
And so now people will be able to continueto get excellent service.
There just won't be a retail guitar shopattached to it anymore.
(32:33):
It's an easy address to remember.
2212 South South Temple.
Yeah, we'll talk about ita bunch in the future.
Well, yeah.
For nowwe're going to call that an episode.
Cool. And we'll come back and talk about.
On the next episode,
we'll talk about all of the other.
(32:56):
We'll talk about all the other shit thatwe got into our dark skin to skin boot.
Since we got back from Star.
Check us out on full Kokomo.
Go subscribe to the YouTube becausewe don't just put the podcasts up there.
Yeah,we also put all of the live show footage.
I've been editing show footage.
(33:18):
And for those little hands like 20 hoursa week,
you have an insaneamount of new content. So.
So go, go look at it free and we'll see.
We'll see you in the pit later, guys.
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