November 24, 2025 • 24 mins
Episode 34 of the Folk Hogan Podcast finds Nick and Casey back home, deep in a stretch of local shows after returning from Europe. They talk Dirty Pop beers, missed rehearsals, Midvale characters, forced dancing at gigs, wedding receptions popping up inside Piper Down, and the realities of running sound in Salt Lake City.
Topics include: • Ice Haus, Piper Down, and A Bar Named Sue show stories • Social media (or lack of it) and how it affects bookings • Content creation, YouTube live footage, and podcast clips • Friends in the scene — Secret Souls, Spirit Machines, Murphy & The Giants • Rebuilding setlists, adding old songs, writing new ones • Casey’s updated bass rig, new pedals, and tone changes • Why bands need downtime to stay creative • The beginnings of new material — and possibly another album
Catch new live videos and behind-the-scenes content at: FolkHogan.com and on YouTube.
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(00:08):
I held my head.
Will this be the fourth Hogan podcast?
We talk about the band.
Shows.
Show stories. Stories.
Events.
Happenings.
You know, all of it. All of it.
(00:30):
The dirty pop.
Hello? Hey.
You know,
drinkas I'm drinking the rest of the dirty pop.
Be local, drink local. Yeah.
And I showed up to record podcastwith Nick.
So they're.
Yeah, I'm drinking them.
And those were my feefor being late to rehearsal Sunday.
(00:53):
Yeah. Or Tuesday.
I don't know what year it is.
It was Tuesday.
All because we didn't practice on Sunday.
Oh, yeah.
We're.
No, we've been busy, boys.
Yeah.
Kind of came back from touringwith a lot of shows
(01:15):
right back into just let's playshows at home.
Yeah, we played Good Places and ice House
and Piper Down and a bar named Stay.
And so much time has gone by that.
Now we're going backto play up our names state.
But yeah, again.
It's a good time over there.
(01:36):
You know, as long as you don't get
caught up with the wrong crowd,if you know what I mean.
This is I do real tumblers over thereon State Street, and it's Midvale.
That's my hood. Yeah.
It's just I saw somebody on Instagramthe other day was literally
just walking up and downthe streets of Midvale, just talking shit,
(01:58):
and I thought it was the funniest thingever, because I literally is born
and raised in Millville.And he's not wrong.
Yeah, he's not wrong.
What kind of stuff was he saying he did?
Well, I mean, he was talking shiton the Raising Cane's that's painted with
Post Malone
face and yeah, talking about how.
Just like talking shit about,
(02:20):
oh, there's like,
50% of the residentsin Midvale meth addicts.
And this is just dumb bullshit like that,I can't.
It's pretty funny.Yeah, it was pretty good.
You know, it happens.
Yeah.
You get wide open spaces.
I don't think that'sa bunch of bored people in the desert.
(02:40):
And you get methamphetamine, you know?
Yeah, and there's definitely somesome seedy spots
in Midvale around the freeway area,you know.
Well, those motels are.
Yeah.
Been doing some, some local show playing.
Yeah, it's been fun.
Yeah.
(03:03):
Any weird crowd storiesfrom the last couple of shows?
Do we have any.
We have any particular oddballs?
Other than, like, a lot of people
just love to dance
with my wife and, like,make her get out of her seat
to dance with random peoplethat she doesn't know.
(03:24):
Forced participation.
Yeah, I happened to party season eight,the first show you played back
and it happened at Icehouse,too, is like a somebody
came to the show and I think her husband
has been a long time fan. And,
we actually played Bachat the moon that night,
(03:44):
and she is a huge
Aussie fan. Just
loves Ozzy Osbourne so much.
And so when we did that cover,
she was absolutely elated.
And she made sure to pull measide at the end like you did.
So good that I made your wife dance.
Like,oh, she loves dancing with random people.
(04:07):
She's just, you
know, the most shut in and an introvert,you know?
But that's all right,you know? Get her out of here.
I mean, she doesn't seem like it to mebecause she's got all these shows dancing.
Yeah, well,
she said these are the sacrificesshe makes for the band.
For real?
Yeah.
And I. Yeah, that's what that's like.
As much as I'm totally comfortableon a stage and performing
(04:30):
and on all those things, I.
The forced dancingmakes me uncomfortable, for sure.
If I would, that would not be aI've definitely had people would be like,
come on, this is just come on, come on,just take my hair.
Come on.
And I'm like, it doesn't work like that.
(04:50):
It's a no.
You're the only one getting joy out ofthis.
Do you understand that?
And that. Yes.
I'm pretty all right.
Yeah.
I think.
The show at Piper, at least.
Yeah. That wasn't there. That,
there's one of them where there's, like,a wedding reception in the back.
(05:13):
Oh, yeah. That was strange.
Like, Piper's just fighting
right now to bring in new customers
and kind of keep things flowing and moving
while the economy is shittyand they're getting creative.
They're smart.
I mean, they have a really good customerbase from 30 plus years, but
(05:35):
but they're they're,
you know, they've got new owners in therethat have been in there for about a year
and they're starting to say, hey,
rather than open the whole bar up,
let's make this like a private party,and then let's put everybody in the front.
(05:56):
If it's going to be kind of slow seasonanyways,
let's let's open up our
the possibility of having a private partyhere.
And, and I think that's a great idea.
I think it'd be really fun.
They got a bar back there too.
You know,there's still access to the kitchen
so people can order foodif they want, you know.
But yeah, let's take advantageof a secret little space back there.
(06:19):
It was a little weird for usbecause we just didn't know
what's going on, and no one's tapped.
There's nothing.
That's like, the one thing is, it's like,it doesn't matter if we're playing.
They're working. They're.
The left hand doesn'tknow what the right hands doing.
If, you know, 95% of the
time when I go in there to dosound, it is.
(06:42):
Maybe I know who the band is,and that's about it.
And that's because I went on Facebookand looked
at the event page, did a little pre-show,
research.
I usually try to like, look at recentphotos and, and that kind of stuff.
So bands post recent photosof your equipment and line up.
(07:02):
That's why.
Because I've it might help me.
Yeah. Might help your sound guy.
That's that just you know, they want a
they want an input list,but they're not going to get one.
They're going to make their ownon this day and age.
I mean you kind of
if you're going to be a musician,it also helps to be a content creator.
(07:24):
Just does.
Yeah.
I mean some sort, you know,it would be nice to know that you exist.
Yeah, exactly.
I've had a few bands that have playedthere that have zero social media.
That's just wild to me.
And I'm like, how do you guys do?
Yeah,
I was talking to there's they usually havezero people that show up for the show.
(07:47):
Yeah, because zero people know about it.
There's a due to my work who's got alittle solo project going on and,
and let me listen to his stuff,and he's just asking me about how,
how he gets in to start playing shows and
I was just like,well, you got to do a little work, man.
You got to be present.
(08:09):
So treat it like another job.
It is to support his you.
This is a work. Yeah.
I mean, we don't know.
I don't know how the world works.
Nick. Spin.
Speaking of which, Nick'sbeen doing a hell of a lot of work lately.
Getting, or making sure that,our shows have been filmed
(08:30):
and some taking that footage andturning it into awesome content, which.
Yeah.
So go check it out on YouTube,but you'll probably
see the shorts sooner or later.
We're chopping up the show footageor chopping up podcast footage,
and we're going to put it out therelike you.
Content for y'all.
(08:50):
We've always got new.
We've always got new footagecoming to YouTube all the time.
So that's kind of a great place to hearwhat the band sounds like live to.
Most definitely.
You know, there's some bands out there
that when they do live footage videos,they just use their
(09:10):
they just music.
They just dub over. Yeah.
That us.
That's live shit.
Not poking any,
poking any bellies there.
Yeah. Morphine. The gland.
Just kidding. I love you guys.
Murphy and the Giants have hada wildly successful TikTok, for sure.
(09:31):
And all they do is they take their studioversions of the music
and they match it upto a couple clips of them playing live
and like to somebody that editsthat all the time.
It's like.
It's like, yeah, whatever.
But what thethe thing that they, the thing
that they actually kick ass at isthey write a hook for everyone else.
(09:53):
So when you're,
when you're just doomscrolling on TikTokand it's just like, come with me.
And then it's like,
by the new, I can't believe I got thisfor the price of a burrito.
And then you removed it,
and then you hit Murphy in the giantand you're like, well, finally something.
And it says, like,if you're reading this, you found us.
Yeah, like if you're reading this, thenyour algorithms got to be amazing because,
(10:18):
you know,this Irish punk is not trending in 2025.
So you mustyou must be a connoisseur of the ear.
Yeah.
They've got some kind of boiled downhook that pulls people in and
it's kind of brilliant.
Yeah, we love them.
Oh yeah. Love them to death.
Love.
Give them shit but love them more,you know.
(10:41):
Yeah,
yeah I know, there was like,
we're really good friendswith everybody from Secret Souls to
and and Crespo and I, like,
just hung out at Piper down for, like, 20or 30 minutes one night after I finished
a show, and I was just told them allthe weird stories from doing sound there.
(11:01):
And because he.
It's either him or me, it'seither him or me.
And then there's a coupleother people that cover,
but we moved over from the garage on backwhen that shut down and became
kind of the main sound people there,and he manages the calendar.
So I just, I kind of wanted to just like,report back to him.
What what had it been likewithout documenting that somewhere
(11:23):
it could be screenshotted? Yeah.
Because it was,you know, it was a little juicy.
I bet.
You know, thereare some there's some stories in there
who start swapping their battle storieswith coworkers.
It can get mighty juicy.
But he's another personthat I knew about before.
I knew because their band,
(11:45):
Formerly Spirit Machines, had fliers
that were just really wellproduced all over the city.
I've seen stuff for their shows.
You they had, like, this whole marketing
plan in place.
And, you know,there's this idea in marketing
(12:06):
that's been out for 30 yearsthat you need to have.
You don't need to be like everyone.
Everyone doesn't need to be your customer.
You don't need to be a businessfor everyone.
You need to havelike a thousand customers.
And so they kind of had this whole thingwhere they reverse engineer
that and they're like,we have space for a thousand fans.
That's it. That's all we want.
(12:26):
So if you want to be one of those people,
you, this is what you got to do.
You got to sign up for our email list.
We're going to send you the music.
We're going to send you a t shirt.
It's like, stay engaged with us.
And we really like we really want to caterto a small group of people.
That's cool. I didn't know they did that.
And you know, they werethey were doing this.
(12:49):
And then Covid happened and likepulled the rug out from under them.
But like they were in the processof building a local music venue
and they were going to have like merchin the front of it,
they were going to have everything,and so on.
And then, you know,they kept trying stuff.
They kept trying stuff.
And then they one day they covered a toolsong.
(13:12):
And Maynardshared it on the main tool page,
and then all of a suddenthey had like 7 million views on some,
some tool cover that they did,and they had this
massive fan base all overjust because they just
they just were persistentdoing these things.
And anyways, the,the band had like a little falling out
(13:34):
and the two main people left and they,the other two people left
and they're like, we get the nameand they're like, okay, great.
We're the ones that are actuallydoing all the shit.
So good luck with that.
We'll find another drummerand a bass player, no problem.
Or whatever.
Whoever it was, that's probablyI think it was,
because because it's alwaysthe fucking drummer, isn't it?
But I'm glad that they got my frienddude on,
(13:57):
because he's a cool dudeand he's really nice, dude.
And so now, you know, they're back at itand they're revamping
some of the stuff that they're doing.
They're coveredthat same song with the new lineup.
They,
they're shooting film everythingbut their whole
the album, just to come back to the thingthat they're, they've got
like a very specific campaignand it's like, yeah, it's like,
(14:21):
you know,as another musician in the scene,
like you might lookat some of the tone of that and whatever
and who they're trying to hone in on,and it's like it's not for me.
And it's also like, yes, it's not for you.
Yeah.
Like we're not trying to
we're not trying to turn ourour extended family, our uncle into a fan.
We're trying to find people.
Like, if you think about it, there's,
(14:42):
there's this group of peoplethat are willing to listen.
There's a group of people that are willingto listen to music from your genre.
That you exist in and out of that.
There's a small subset of themthat are even interested
in new bands,and that's who you're trying to get to.
Yeah.
There's so many people that
(15:03):
listen to an album in high schooland just go, okay, I'm good.
Yeah, I don't need any new music.
From now on.
I'm that way a little bit.
You sure?
We've all got
those, like, curated tastes too.
But, you know, every once in a whilesomething new will come along
(15:26):
and it willit will reshape that a little bit.
You know, we're all startingto get to the age where we're seeing
the people in high school now,
listening to stuff that was popular
in the 90s,
and clothing, older siblings,clothing trends that were popular
(15:46):
in the 90s and fucking juncos coming backand all these things.
And it's it's different and it's weird.
You like it.
It literally was only probably,
maybe less than a decade that the last GenX clothing shut down.
Yeah.
And I'm like, waiting for like the upright back up again.
They closed too soon, man. Yeah.
(16:08):
Because they carried that stuff forso many years after it was out of style.
Yeah.And now it's back. And that was such a
just the name sake, you know?
You know,it's like having a five buck pizza
and knowing the pizzaslike, can eventually cost
a lot more than that.
(16:31):
It's what happens.
It's cyclical but also,
you know.
Plan, plan a namethat's going to outlast a generation.
If you really want to outlasta generation of guys.
Yeah.
I rememberI'd get my extra tall shirts at Gen X.
(16:54):
Oh, yeah, they sold them in blackand they, like, went down
past you. But.
It's nice.
You got to get the.
We used to go there and have stuffcustom lettered.
Oh nice. Yeah.
Because they had those
like I you'd pick the letters and they'djust lay it out and I had it on me.
I was always hilarious.
(17:20):
Well,I was just looking through my podcasts
questions here,making sure they didn't miss anything.
That was extremely important.
We got band practice tomorrow.
That's going to be fun. Yeah.
I'm just flying back tonight,getting everybody back together.
(17:44):
Moses is flying back from his painting
stuff tonight.
Sebastian, I think, had a,
show with his other band,
the, something because hehe took his picture with them
because I think he doeshave a show with them next Friday.
Oh, it's next Friday. Yeah, yeah,
(18:06):
I forget that.
I think he's playing on Black Friday, but.
Rationalist.
Yeah.
We were just listening to the bandnext door.
Restorer.
And I'm going to be doing soundfor their show
at a bar named Sue next Friday, 28th.
So, I mean, that could
(18:27):
be this Fridaythe 28th by the time that we release this.
Yeah, we usually dotwo of these episodes at once.
Yeah.
So then we never really knowhow to talk about dates.
We're not trying to hide the factthat we do two episodes at once.
It's just a better schedule.
(18:48):
That's the smart way to do it.
It's a smart way to do it.
Some people record
their whole season of podcast,
but, we usually like
to do two episodes at once,and then that way it gives me
time to kind of bulk edit it and bulk.
Work on it and then,
(19:11):
you know, then the following Mondaywe have off
because if we justif we did Sunday practice Monday podcast,
Tuesday practice, I would justthat would just be excruciating.
Every week
because then it's like, oh.
And we also have two shows uswe are like, what?
That's like it's a double showa week, five days a week.
(19:31):
That's too many.
Yeah, I think it's rough.
You know, we might as well be on tour.
You got toyou got to prioritize the space in between
as rest or,
it's just bad for creativity.
You gotta have downtime.
You got to go out and live your life.
If you're gonna try to write songsthat relate to other people.
(19:53):
Yeah.
Or even your own life,you got to be in touch with reality,
at least in this band.
It's, definitely helps, that's for sure.
Well, well, well,
you've been tweaking your bassset up a little bit.
(20:14):
You've been?
Yeah. Adding pedals, subtracting pedals.
What is it now?
Well, like, that's aI was actually just about to say we're
we've been fiddling aroundwith writing new stuff.
Moses has brought us a couple of songs.
He's been workingon. Yeah, those will be fun.
There was a day that me and said,we're here and just kind of
noodling around on bass and drums. Ooh.
(20:35):
That's good. And,
might have come up with somethingkind of riff,
but I think it would be really cool.
But yeah, as far as my setup goes,
we introduced the Mark bass.
It's like a 210 Kev and that,
just to give me some on stage rumble.
(20:55):
So you're missing that a little bit?
Yeah, we were we were playing showswithout a bass arm for a while, and,
and everybody decidedthat they didn't like that.
Just usingmy little pedal preamp direct in,
and it's a dark glass, Apple Omega,which is really nice.
Yeah.Sounds really good. Tones. Excellent.
But we just
(21:16):
a lot of guys wanted that on stage.
Rumble back,which I actually I enjoy it too.
Well, now that we haveit back, it's nice to have,
but, decided
that I've got some pedalsand I've got some
need to kind of find,
I don't know, just experimentand find something that might work.
(21:36):
And yeah, you just keep trying stuff outuntil you find that sound or,
and, combo the bass D7 to my pedal board.
And also I put the dark glassback on there
so I can use the distortion on becauseit's got a really nice bass distortion.
Yeah.
So I'm messing with that. Get,
get a little bit different sound.
(21:57):
And yeah, we've got a,we've got a couple of old songs
get a little fuzzy,little, little distorted on the bass side
and then,you know, just going forward, it's
a nice way to have that as an optionto write with.
Yeah.
And usuallywhen I switch things up on my rig,
it almost always inspires meto write new stuff.
(22:17):
Almost always I yeah,I think that I think that
I think that changing something out,getting a new thing to tinker around with,
I think that's a good wayto kind of light a flame again.
You can
get kindof bored with how you're sounding and
the way things are and get realhyper focused on working on things,
because we've been also trying to like
(22:40):
re-add some of the older songsthat I haven't that I haven't learned yet.
Back to the setto kind of fit in the bar set.
When we play long sets,I set sets way too many times
right there with sets.
So I've been kind of hyperfocused on getting those down.
So we can, you know,get them back into rotation.
(23:02):
And that can kind of it can get a little,
redundant can get a little, I don't know,
like it's differentworking on other people's riffs.
Sure than like, be inspired to.
And a lot of it has inspired me to, to trynew things with like writing new stuff.
But I definitely think that as far as megoes,
(23:24):
adding new stuff to like my rigor getting a new guitar
or something like that always,always inspires me to write new stuff.
So that's what I'm hoping.
So new new songs coming
and new songs, new riffs, new pedals,
new riffs, new riffslead to new songs, new songs
(23:44):
lead to more folkopen, more full hellions.
Maybe we make another album.
Yeah, we'd love that.
Would be cool.
Well, that's it, that's it.
That's all we're going to talk aboutgetting it out, I think.
Yeah. It's good seeing you again.
I'll see you tomorrow at the rehearsal.
And in the meantime,this is a song about the heart
(24:08):
of a for the fall of an empirecalled the Fall
King to kill one of another.
They should have known
what history known with you.
From the stone of the ruins we build.
(24:31):
A plot, an unknown.
Spread out on.
I held my head.
Will this be the fourth Hogan podcast?
We talk about the band.
Shows.
Show stories. Stories.
Events.
Happenings.
You know, all of it. All of it.
(00:30):
The dirty pop.
Hello? Hey.
You know,
drinkas I'm drinking the rest of the dirty pop.
Be local, drink local. Yeah.
And I showed up to record podcastwith Nick.
So they're.
Yeah, I'm drinking them.
And those were my feefor being late to rehearsal Sunday.
(00:53):
Yeah. Or Tuesday.
I don't know what year it is.
It was Tuesday.
All because we didn't practice on Sunday.
Oh, yeah.
We're.
No, we've been busy, boys.
Yeah.
Kind of came back from touringwith a lot of shows
(01:15):
right back into just let's playshows at home.
Yeah, we played Good Places and ice House
and Piper Down and a bar named Stay.
And so much time has gone by that.
Now we're going backto play up our names state.
But yeah, again.
It's a good time over there.
(01:36):
You know, as long as you don't get
caught up with the wrong crowd,if you know what I mean.
This is I do real tumblers over thereon State Street, and it's Midvale.
That's my hood. Yeah.
It's just I saw somebody on Instagramthe other day was literally
just walking up and downthe streets of Midvale, just talking shit,
(01:58):
and I thought it was the funniest thingever, because I literally is born
and raised in Millville.And he's not wrong.
Yeah, he's not wrong.
What kind of stuff was he saying he did?
Well, I mean, he was talking shiton the Raising Cane's that's painted with
Post Malone
face and yeah, talking about how.
Just like talking shit about,
(02:20):
oh, there's like,
50% of the residentsin Midvale meth addicts.
And this is just dumb bullshit like that,I can't.
It's pretty funny.Yeah, it was pretty good.
You know, it happens.
Yeah.
You get wide open spaces.
I don't think that'sa bunch of bored people in the desert.
(02:40):
And you get methamphetamine, you know?
Yeah, and there's definitely somesome seedy spots
in Midvale around the freeway area,you know.
Well, those motels are.
Yeah.
Been doing some, some local show playing.
Yeah, it's been fun.
Yeah.
(03:03):
Any weird crowd storiesfrom the last couple of shows?
Do we have any.
We have any particular oddballs?
Other than, like, a lot of people
just love to dance
with my wife and, like,make her get out of her seat
to dance with random peoplethat she doesn't know.
(03:24):
Forced participation.
Yeah, I happened to party season eight,the first show you played back
and it happened at Icehouse,too, is like a somebody
came to the show and I think her husband
has been a long time fan. And,
we actually played Bachat the moon that night,
(03:44):
and she is a huge
Aussie fan. Just
loves Ozzy Osbourne so much.
And so when we did that cover,
she was absolutely elated.
And she made sure to pull measide at the end like you did.
So good that I made your wife dance.
Like,oh, she loves dancing with random people.
(04:07):
She's just, you
know, the most shut in and an introvert,you know?
But that's all right,you know? Get her out of here.
I mean, she doesn't seem like it to mebecause she's got all these shows dancing.
Yeah, well,
she said these are the sacrificesshe makes for the band.
For real?
Yeah.
And I. Yeah, that's what that's like.
As much as I'm totally comfortableon a stage and performing
(04:30):
and on all those things, I.
The forced dancingmakes me uncomfortable, for sure.
If I would, that would not be aI've definitely had people would be like,
come on, this is just come on, come on,just take my hair.
Come on.
And I'm like, it doesn't work like that.
(04:50):
It's a no.
You're the only one getting joy out ofthis.
Do you understand that?
And that. Yes.
I'm pretty all right.
Yeah.
I think.
The show at Piper, at least.
Yeah. That wasn't there. That,
there's one of them where there's, like,a wedding reception in the back.
(05:13):
Oh, yeah. That was strange.
Like, Piper's just fighting
right now to bring in new customers
and kind of keep things flowing and moving
while the economy is shittyand they're getting creative.
They're smart.
I mean, they have a really good customerbase from 30 plus years, but
(05:35):
but they're they're,
you know, they've got new owners in therethat have been in there for about a year
and they're starting to say, hey,
rather than open the whole bar up,
let's make this like a private party,and then let's put everybody in the front.
(05:56):
If it's going to be kind of slow seasonanyways,
let's let's open up our
the possibility of having a private partyhere.
And, and I think that's a great idea.
I think it'd be really fun.
They got a bar back there too.
You know,there's still access to the kitchen
so people can order foodif they want, you know.
But yeah, let's take advantageof a secret little space back there.
(06:19):
It was a little weird for usbecause we just didn't know
what's going on, and no one's tapped.
There's nothing.
That's like, the one thing is, it's like,it doesn't matter if we're playing.
They're working. They're.
The left hand doesn'tknow what the right hands doing.
If, you know, 95% of the
time when I go in there to dosound, it is.
(06:42):
Maybe I know who the band is,and that's about it.
And that's because I went on Facebookand looked
at the event page, did a little pre-show,
research.
I usually try to like, look at recentphotos and, and that kind of stuff.
So bands post recent photosof your equipment and line up.
(07:02):
That's why.
Because I've it might help me.
Yeah. Might help your sound guy.
That's that just you know, they want a
they want an input list,but they're not going to get one.
They're going to make their ownon this day and age.
I mean you kind of
if you're going to be a musician,it also helps to be a content creator.
(07:24):
Just does.
Yeah.
I mean some sort, you know,it would be nice to know that you exist.
Yeah, exactly.
I've had a few bands that have playedthere that have zero social media.
That's just wild to me.
And I'm like, how do you guys do?
Yeah,
I was talking to there's they usually havezero people that show up for the show.
(07:47):
Yeah, because zero people know about it.
There's a due to my work who's got alittle solo project going on and,
and let me listen to his stuff,and he's just asking me about how,
how he gets in to start playing shows and
I was just like,well, you got to do a little work, man.
You got to be present.
(08:09):
So treat it like another job.
It is to support his you.
This is a work. Yeah.
I mean, we don't know.
I don't know how the world works.
Nick. Spin.
Speaking of which, Nick'sbeen doing a hell of a lot of work lately.
Getting, or making sure that,our shows have been filmed
(08:30):
and some taking that footage andturning it into awesome content, which.
Yeah.
So go check it out on YouTube,but you'll probably
see the shorts sooner or later.
We're chopping up the show footageor chopping up podcast footage,
and we're going to put it out therelike you.
Content for y'all.
(08:50):
We've always got new.
We've always got new footagecoming to YouTube all the time.
So that's kind of a great place to hearwhat the band sounds like live to.
Most definitely.
You know, there's some bands out there
that when they do live footage videos,they just use their
(09:10):
they just music.
They just dub over. Yeah.
That us.
That's live shit.
Not poking any,
poking any bellies there.
Yeah. Morphine. The gland.
Just kidding. I love you guys.
Murphy and the Giants have hada wildly successful TikTok, for sure.
(09:31):
And all they do is they take their studioversions of the music
and they match it upto a couple clips of them playing live
and like to somebody that editsthat all the time.
It's like.
It's like, yeah, whatever.
But what thethe thing that they, the thing
that they actually kick ass at isthey write a hook for everyone else.
(09:53):
So when you're,
when you're just doomscrolling on TikTokand it's just like, come with me.
And then it's like,
by the new, I can't believe I got thisfor the price of a burrito.
And then you removed it,
and then you hit Murphy in the giantand you're like, well, finally something.
And it says, like,if you're reading this, you found us.
Yeah, like if you're reading this, thenyour algorithms got to be amazing because,
(10:18):
you know,this Irish punk is not trending in 2025.
So you mustyou must be a connoisseur of the ear.
Yeah.
They've got some kind of boiled downhook that pulls people in and
it's kind of brilliant.
Yeah, we love them.
Oh yeah. Love them to death.
Love.
Give them shit but love them more,you know.
(10:41):
Yeah,
yeah I know, there was like,
we're really good friendswith everybody from Secret Souls to
and and Crespo and I, like,
just hung out at Piper down for, like, 20or 30 minutes one night after I finished
a show, and I was just told them allthe weird stories from doing sound there.
(11:01):
And because he.
It's either him or me, it'seither him or me.
And then there's a coupleother people that cover,
but we moved over from the garage on backwhen that shut down and became
kind of the main sound people there,and he manages the calendar.
So I just, I kind of wanted to just like,report back to him.
What what had it been likewithout documenting that somewhere
(11:23):
it could be screenshotted? Yeah.
Because it was,you know, it was a little juicy.
I bet.
You know, thereare some there's some stories in there
who start swapping their battle storieswith coworkers.
It can get mighty juicy.
But he's another personthat I knew about before.
I knew because their band,
(11:45):
Formerly Spirit Machines, had fliers
that were just really wellproduced all over the city.
I've seen stuff for their shows.
You they had, like, this whole marketing
plan in place.
And, you know,there's this idea in marketing
(12:06):
that's been out for 30 yearsthat you need to have.
You don't need to be like everyone.
Everyone doesn't need to be your customer.
You don't need to be a businessfor everyone.
You need to havelike a thousand customers.
And so they kind of had this whole thingwhere they reverse engineer
that and they're like,we have space for a thousand fans.
That's it. That's all we want.
(12:26):
So if you want to be one of those people,
you, this is what you got to do.
You got to sign up for our email list.
We're going to send you the music.
We're going to send you a t shirt.
It's like, stay engaged with us.
And we really like we really want to caterto a small group of people.
That's cool. I didn't know they did that.
And you know, they werethey were doing this.
(12:49):
And then Covid happened and likepulled the rug out from under them.
But like they were in the processof building a local music venue
and they were going to have like merchin the front of it,
they were going to have everything,and so on.
And then, you know,they kept trying stuff.
They kept trying stuff.
And then they one day they covered a toolsong.
(13:12):
And Maynardshared it on the main tool page,
and then all of a suddenthey had like 7 million views on some,
some tool cover that they did,and they had this
massive fan base all overjust because they just
they just were persistentdoing these things.
And anyways, the,the band had like a little falling out
(13:34):
and the two main people left and they,the other two people left
and they're like, we get the nameand they're like, okay, great.
We're the ones that are actuallydoing all the shit.
So good luck with that.
We'll find another drummerand a bass player, no problem.
Or whatever.
Whoever it was, that's probablyI think it was,
because because it's alwaysthe fucking drummer, isn't it?
But I'm glad that they got my frienddude on,
(13:57):
because he's a cool dudeand he's really nice, dude.
And so now, you know, they're back at itand they're revamping
some of the stuff that they're doing.
They're coveredthat same song with the new lineup.
They,
they're shooting film everythingbut their whole
the album, just to come back to the thingthat they're, they've got
like a very specific campaignand it's like, yeah, it's like,
(14:21):
you know,as another musician in the scene,
like you might lookat some of the tone of that and whatever
and who they're trying to hone in on,and it's like it's not for me.
And it's also like, yes, it's not for you.
Yeah.
Like we're not trying to
we're not trying to turn ourour extended family, our uncle into a fan.
We're trying to find people.
Like, if you think about it, there's,
(14:42):
there's this group of peoplethat are willing to listen.
There's a group of people that are willingto listen to music from your genre.
That you exist in and out of that.
There's a small subset of themthat are even interested
in new bands,and that's who you're trying to get to.
Yeah.
There's so many people that
(15:03):
listen to an album in high schooland just go, okay, I'm good.
Yeah, I don't need any new music.
From now on.
I'm that way a little bit.
You sure?
We've all got
those, like, curated tastes too.
But, you know, every once in a whilesomething new will come along
(15:26):
and it willit will reshape that a little bit.
You know, we're all startingto get to the age where we're seeing
the people in high school now,
listening to stuff that was popular
in the 90s,
and clothing, older siblings,clothing trends that were popular
(15:46):
in the 90s and fucking juncos coming backand all these things.
And it's it's different and it's weird.
You like it.
It literally was only probably,
maybe less than a decade that the last GenX clothing shut down.
Yeah.
And I'm like, waiting for like the upright back up again.
They closed too soon, man. Yeah.
(16:08):
Because they carried that stuff forso many years after it was out of style.
Yeah.And now it's back. And that was such a
just the name sake, you know?
You know,it's like having a five buck pizza
and knowing the pizzaslike, can eventually cost
a lot more than that.
(16:31):
It's what happens.
It's cyclical but also,
you know.
Plan, plan a namethat's going to outlast a generation.
If you really want to outlasta generation of guys.
Yeah.
I rememberI'd get my extra tall shirts at Gen X.
(16:54):
Oh, yeah, they sold them in blackand they, like, went down
past you. But.
It's nice.
You got to get the.
We used to go there and have stuffcustom lettered.
Oh nice. Yeah.
Because they had those
like I you'd pick the letters and they'djust lay it out and I had it on me.
I was always hilarious.
(17:20):
Well,I was just looking through my podcasts
questions here,making sure they didn't miss anything.
That was extremely important.
We got band practice tomorrow.
That's going to be fun. Yeah.
I'm just flying back tonight,getting everybody back together.
(17:44):
Moses is flying back from his painting
stuff tonight.
Sebastian, I think, had a,
show with his other band,
the, something because hehe took his picture with them
because I think he doeshave a show with them next Friday.
Oh, it's next Friday. Yeah, yeah,
(18:06):
I forget that.
I think he's playing on Black Friday, but.
Rationalist.
Yeah.
We were just listening to the bandnext door.
Restorer.
And I'm going to be doing soundfor their show
at a bar named Sue next Friday, 28th.
So, I mean, that could
(18:27):
be this Fridaythe 28th by the time that we release this.
Yeah, we usually dotwo of these episodes at once.
Yeah.
So then we never really knowhow to talk about dates.
We're not trying to hide the factthat we do two episodes at once.
It's just a better schedule.
(18:48):
That's the smart way to do it.
It's a smart way to do it.
Some people record
their whole season of podcast,
but, we usually like
to do two episodes at once,and then that way it gives me
time to kind of bulk edit it and bulk.
Work on it and then,
(19:11):
you know, then the following Mondaywe have off
because if we justif we did Sunday practice Monday podcast,
Tuesday practice, I would justthat would just be excruciating.
Every week
because then it's like, oh.
And we also have two shows uswe are like, what?
That's like it's a double showa week, five days a week.
(19:31):
That's too many.
Yeah, I think it's rough.
You know, we might as well be on tour.
You got toyou got to prioritize the space in between
as rest or,
it's just bad for creativity.
You gotta have downtime.
You got to go out and live your life.
If you're gonna try to write songsthat relate to other people.
(19:53):
Yeah.
Or even your own life,you got to be in touch with reality,
at least in this band.
It's, definitely helps, that's for sure.
Well, well, well,
you've been tweaking your bassset up a little bit.
(20:14):
You've been?
Yeah. Adding pedals, subtracting pedals.
What is it now?
Well, like, that's aI was actually just about to say we're
we've been fiddling aroundwith writing new stuff.
Moses has brought us a couple of songs.
He's been workingon. Yeah, those will be fun.
There was a day that me and said,we're here and just kind of
noodling around on bass and drums. Ooh.
(20:35):
That's good. And,
might have come up with somethingkind of riff,
but I think it would be really cool.
But yeah, as far as my setup goes,
we introduced the Mark bass.
It's like a 210 Kev and that,
just to give me some on stage rumble.
(20:55):
So you're missing that a little bit?
Yeah, we were we were playing showswithout a bass arm for a while, and,
and everybody decidedthat they didn't like that.
Just usingmy little pedal preamp direct in,
and it's a dark glass, Apple Omega,which is really nice.
Yeah.Sounds really good. Tones. Excellent.
But we just
(21:16):
a lot of guys wanted that on stage.
Rumble back,which I actually I enjoy it too.
Well, now that we haveit back, it's nice to have,
but, decided
that I've got some pedalsand I've got some
need to kind of find,
I don't know, just experimentand find something that might work.
(21:36):
And yeah, you just keep trying stuff outuntil you find that sound or,
and, combo the bass D7 to my pedal board.
And also I put the dark glassback on there
so I can use the distortion on becauseit's got a really nice bass distortion.
Yeah.
So I'm messing with that. Get,
get a little bit different sound.
(21:57):
And yeah, we've got a,we've got a couple of old songs
get a little fuzzy,little, little distorted on the bass side
and then,you know, just going forward, it's
a nice way to have that as an optionto write with.
Yeah.
And usuallywhen I switch things up on my rig,
it almost always inspires meto write new stuff.
(22:17):
Almost always I yeah,I think that I think that
I think that changing something out,getting a new thing to tinker around with,
I think that's a good wayto kind of light a flame again.
You can
get kindof bored with how you're sounding and
the way things are and get realhyper focused on working on things,
because we've been also trying to like
(22:40):
re-add some of the older songsthat I haven't that I haven't learned yet.
Back to the setto kind of fit in the bar set.
When we play long sets,I set sets way too many times
right there with sets.
So I've been kind of hyperfocused on getting those down.
So we can, you know,get them back into rotation.
(23:02):
And that can kind of it can get a little,
redundant can get a little, I don't know,
like it's differentworking on other people's riffs.
Sure than like, be inspired to.
And a lot of it has inspired me to, to trynew things with like writing new stuff.
But I definitely think that as far as megoes,
(23:24):
adding new stuff to like my rigor getting a new guitar
or something like that always,always inspires me to write new stuff.
So that's what I'm hoping.
So new new songs coming
and new songs, new riffs, new pedals,
new riffs, new riffslead to new songs, new songs
(23:44):
lead to more folkopen, more full hellions.
Maybe we make another album.
Yeah, we'd love that.
Would be cool.
Well, that's it, that's it.
That's all we're going to talk aboutgetting it out, I think.
Yeah. It's good seeing you again.
I'll see you tomorrow at the rehearsal.
And in the meantime,this is a song about the heart
(24:08):
of a for the fall of an empirecalled the Fall
King to kill one of another.
They should have known
what history known with you.
From the stone of the ruins we build.
(24:31):
A plot, an unknown.
Spread out on.
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