December 10, 2024 • 57 mins
Welcome to another episode of The Game Pad Saga Podcast! Hosted by Eric and Kishion, this episode features a special guest, Darryl. Join us as we take a nostalgic journey through the world of basketball video games and reminisce about some of the most memorable moments in NBA history.
We kick things off with a lively discussion about classic basketball video games like "NBA Live" and "NBA2K," sharing our first experiences and favorite titles. From the early days of "Bulls vs. Blazers" on Super Nintendo to the iconic "NBA Jam," we cover it all.
Our conversation also delves into the highs and lows of NBA history, including unforgettable games, legendary players, and personal anecdotes. We debate the ever-controversial GOAT (Greatest of All Time) topic, comparing Michael Jordan and LeBron James, and discuss the impact of players like Scottie Pippen, Tracy McGrady, and Allen Iverson.
Whether you're a hardcore gamer, a basketball enthusiast, or just love a good debate, this episode has something for everyone. Don't miss out on the laughs, the insights, and the trip down memory lane.
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What so funny nothing i
got a burr in my hand you got a burr well another episode of the game pad saga
podcast i'm eric kishan and we have a guest would you like to introduce yourself
yes i am daryl hello daryl daryl thank you welcome to the club,
(00:24):
with you doing that so today's episode we are going to talk about basketball
video games and you reminded me of when dennis scott would make a three and
they'll do the little sound effect at the arena fucking dennis scott three.
You've been to a basketball game making all that noise oh my bad my bad i'm
(00:46):
okay just comfortable just rip it open no no we're good we're good we're good
He saw him and he was like, yeah, I think this is a good time to go after him.
So I was trying to get some biscottis and I did it the wrong time. I'm sorry.
It's all right. Go ahead. Rip it open. No, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. You can cut it. No.
Yeah, we got to edit it. Yeah, we can cut it. You already cracked it.
I didn't crack it. I didn't even see it. That's why he said something. You know what?
(01:09):
Rip it open. There you go. Patty, y'all. Sean, you been to a basketball game? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
What was your- It was a while ago. What was your first basketball game? All right.
The Magic and Hawks, I think. Okay. That's nice. That's a good one. What year?
I think it was like 2008, something like that. 2008. Look at this.
(01:33):
I'm making all this up. Do you remember who was on the roster in 2008?
You know who was on the roster. Jameer Nelson was still there.
Jameer Nelson. Jameer Nelson, I believe.
Dwight Howard was still there. Yeah, Dwight Howard was there.
I think you had Turkoglu.
Turkoglu? Yeah. Daryl, what was your first game? Magic game. First Magic game. Hmm.
(01:55):
That's. I think when Dwight Howard came in town with the Atlanta Hawks,
I think that was my first. Okay.
My first game was mid-90s. Pops took me to go see Boston and Magic.
No, I can't. At the old. I can't. I just can't. At the old arena.
And that's when they had the squad, right? They had. Yes. Anthony.
(02:17):
Anthony. Yeah. Shaq. Shaq Hill. Yes. Yeah. Dennis Scott. Oh, you went to go see Shaq?
That's cool. I didn't know that. Did you get an autograph from Shaq?
No. No autographs. That sucks. That's okay.
Hey, you know, it's all right.
Back then, I did not realize the importance of autographs, but hey.
That's too late now, huh?
(02:38):
Shaq see ball. Shaq get ball. Shaq put ball in a bucket.
So, let's see. Do you remember the first basketball video game that you played?
Bulls vs. Blazers on Super Nintendo. How was that?
It was interesting. It was interesting.
It was actually a good game. It was good. Because they came out with two games.
(02:59):
They came out with... I think it was Lakers.
Lakers and Celtics, I think. Yes. And then Bulls vs. Blazers.
Yes. And I can't remember the company who made it.
We can consult the almighty Google. Google, but I remember there was a Google.
Yes. Yes. Let, let Google chime in. I can look it up.
(03:21):
It'd be like, I don't know what you're talking about. Right.
So I remember playing that game and then obviously you're the bulls.
And then there was a, there was something I found in that game where I would
take Michael Jordan, go to half court and shoot it, make it every time in the same spot. Just really.
Yeah. Yeah. Every time. That's how I went. From deep down. Yeah.
(03:41):
They call that a glitch. Yes. From downtown.
It's all right. The Warriors made it a legit thing. Actually,
you know what? I lied. I lied.
So, I would say NBA Jam would be my first basketball game.
Same here. Bulls vs. Blazers was after that. Okay. All right. What about you, dude?
Live all day. That was my- Live when you started? Yeah, live.
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And then you were like, no, 2K is better.
That game is trash. Well, let's see. NBA Live 95.
I probably play that one all the time. I know I play at the house with you.
95 was the shit. It was a good one. They kind of taper off.
Yeah, they, 95.
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So let's let's let's we'll start with nba live yeah let's start with nba live
so nba live i think the first one i did play was 94 on the super nintendo.
No was it 97 we played 97 yeah could have been i think it was 97 because i know
(04:47):
we had it for the sega genesis yeah and then we also had it on computer that's
when they had the upgraded
updated graphics for pc at the time when when pc was the next gen yeah i remember
playing the hell out of that game on pc a lot and then we started transitioning to like the,
to like the mid 2000s so like nba live 2003 well i mean i don't think i played
(05:11):
2001 i didn't play 2002 but when 2003 came about who was on the cover that was that jason kidd,
jason kidd was on the cover of that one i'm not sure i don't
remember yeah i'm not sure about that one because i started
in 04 nba live 04 okay so
four i think that was the best one yes that was the best one that came out for
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the ps2 original xbox at that time correct nba live let me check this out nba
live covers because we need them so around that time after After 95 came out,
we started getting yearly releases.
NBA Live, 95, 96. Yeah, 04 was... 95, I would like the 2010.
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We did not get an NBA Live in 2011 or 2012.
Elite 11 is what it was called. Yes, they're trying to make a comeback.
There we go with the ums again. Horrendous. It was horrendous.
Yes, so I guess they had developmental problems with the game.
But i don't know if the developer was
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upset with ea because i guess
this was the time that ea was moving from canada coming
to florida so i don't know if it was like before or after
so they were like we're not putting in no effort into this
game so i have a story for you about nba live actually so
2k is involved with this too so i believe nba
2k they had mike wang from the
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end end of 2k6 all the way to 2k9 mike
wang and i saw this in an interview i can't
remember where i saw it at but mike wang was like and he
was like this is i'm gonna quote him himself he's like it's kind of a sick twisted
way of me thinking but what if i went to ea and helped make nba live and start
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a war and that's what he did he left 2k i mean that's what they do yeah yeah
he went to ea and literally started a war.
Literally. And then he went back to 2K. So that's why 2K is good.
So when it was coming back, when NBA Live was coming back in the later 20-teens. Yeah. It came back.
(07:24):
Yeah, it was a much better game when I think it was NBA Live 12,
I think. Was it 12 or 13? 13.
Yeah, 13 was significantly better than 10 in any of the previous ones. I agree.
I agree on that one, yeah. And then, you know, Mike Wing left.
Obviously, they couldn't take the formula because they didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
(07:44):
Right. And here we are. 2K is king and pisses me off. And I hate threes. I hate rec.
I hate everything. thing i'm not trying to pay 100 you know what let me drink
to that let me let me drink to that i mean it's okay yeah you're about to go
off on it but i agree with you i hate wreck i think wreck is,
(08:05):
it's not for the beginners and you have to have a strong strong heart yeah because these dudes.
Quitting rage quitting i never played wreck i stayed away i just did the whole
i mean See, rec is fun when you got a good squad with you, right? Yeah.
But don't be the guy that's trash. Yeah.
(08:25):
Don't be the guy that's trash. Like, he's a brown shirt. He's a phony. A big, fat phony.
No lone reindeer. I played rec one time, man. The dude hurt my feelings so bad,
I started crying in the game. Oh, no.
He going to go cry in the car. Hey. He going to go cry in the car.
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I had to get out of the game. They wouldn't pass me the ball or anything.
Dang, is that bad, huh? Yeah, my character was a, he happened to be a white dude.
And they were like, yo, dude, do we come to MLB and tell you how to play the
game? You know what I'm saying?
Hey, go home, bro. Wow. Well, 2K is a very toxic community to begin with. Yes, it is. Yes.
(09:09):
I mean, you talk about League of Legends or, I wouldn't say Valorant.
League of Legends is definitely one.
What are some games? Counter-Strike. Mm-hmm. All those simple-ass games.
And you got 2K. It does not compare. No. It doesn't. No. These dudes are brutal.
That was a 2K1. Sorry, you had to go through that. Not 2K1. 2K.
(09:30):
What was it? 2K20 or 2K21. I think it was 2K20.
2K21. Because, what? No. It was 20. because that was
the one where you had to win like certain certain games to get into
the hub right i believe so when you
did next gen yeah so i was playing and so
you had to do twos and you had to win so many other games
to get into the hub and so i'm playing the
(09:51):
game and this is when like you know ps5 it
just came out and they got the little microphone on the bottom
thing and i didn't even know i'm yelling at you
and no well i mean yeah he was yelling me
through the microphone phone on the controller but i was like hold the
fuck up like if he's i got a 60 just like you
do if you're gonna blow past me if he's gonna blow past me
where's my fucking help it's a team goddamn game yeah what and you say you say
(10:16):
i'm sorry you're just as sorry as me because we're losing you dumb bitch what
came with the fire today y'all yeah i am he woke up with that violence no well
see when it comes to sports games sports games get me so upset they do so upset mm-hmm.
Call of Duty, all the rest of that good stuff, I'll get a little upset.
I'll call somebody a cheater and call it a day. You know what I mean?
(10:38):
You're like a cheater. Yeah, you can't really do that in sports games.
Because it's like either you're giving a good hand the whole game or you're not.
And it's just like, well, you can't really justify anything because you've had
the ball this many times.
You've either turned the ball over. You had this opportunity or that opportunity.
You don't cash in on it. It's just like, well, I can't really.
(10:58):
I didn't execute well, you know? Yeah. So you can't really say anybody cheats in sports games.
Although I know when I'm losing, you're cheating. Right.
That's it. That is it. That's funny. Yeah, that's the defining point right there.
But I agree with the 2K. They start out smooth.
So when I did, when I joined or not joined, like I'm in the league,
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but when I started playing 2K9, I didn't have those issues. when i started getting into 18 19 20.
People just sitting playing a game all day all
day getting their ratings up like i
think what oh nine i mean i
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guess what online gaming was starting or just
starting to take off but it wasn't there it wasn't catching
it wasn't like it is today i remember playing madden 2004
online line yeah okay so it was
it was there but okay not not the greatest
right wasn't like a community type
thing not toxic yeah i just stayed to myself
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and just we just came here to play ball man i got
people talking all kinds of crap it's
like man you probably couldn't even do this on a real
court let alone a video game i mean some of
them can some probably can back it up i'll give them that but you're
probably just fat sitting on the couch look i'm
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halfway fat i sit on the couch i play my games so i can say that okay i can
say that about myself too but come on man yeah you're absolutely right you know
these dudes be playing all day they got a little piss jar sitting next to them
and stuff like that they just nah that's their world of warcraft i'm moving with my parents.
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These are jokes these are jokes people this series is real life but some of it is serious,
Oh, man. But, yeah, we skipped live a bit.
But it's fine. We can go back. Because after when NBA Live came back,
I mean, it really wasn't – I don't know if they were better.
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I didn't play them because I kind of stopped playing basketball games after early 2000s.
Yeah, it was about that time. Because I remember we were playing – which live wasn't on?
No, we were playing 2001 for a bit. We played 2001 together.
But after that, I kind of just stayed away from basketball games and didn't,
didn't really come back until 2K.
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I think I tried to play live, but with them having all their issues. Awful.
Awful. Because I remember going through my PS3, having Dwight Howard version,
the demo downloaded. Yeah, absolutely.
But it just that, I don't know, it felt different. It didn't feel like,
I guess, what I was used to with 2K, I guess.
(13:55):
I just don't like 2K because of the fact that they want to limit the players.
Limit the players how? Yeah, they want to limit the players.
The more you progress, maybe I don't know how to play the game.
So I'm speaking for somebody that doesn't play all day.
So the more you progress, you really don't see it. That's true.
(14:18):
Yeah, I can see that. because that's where i am with one of my 2k 23 i believe
started my career now i'm up to a point,
i don't know maybe it's more of the the side quest stuff that i'm just annoyed
with what's more important is what is your overall well i have to go back and
look well it's probably like a 79.
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He's in the 80s hey i paid my extra dollars
for that should be 99 no that was
kind of frustrating trading i guess you know you play or pay
to play pay to win or whatever and it doesn't
even give you the option that'd be 99 i guess i mean
it does but you
gotta so what what daryl's
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saying is that you get whatever points
that you get or the coins or whatever vc we
want your
real dollars for this fate but you can't transfer them
no oh no no no you can you can between games
oh yeah between games yeah okay all right
i the ones i have you can't so that's why i'm speaking which 2k which two yeah
(15:26):
thank you i have the last one i have is 22 and you can't now if it's 23 you
probably can't yeah yeah they started doing that in 23 okay all right i saw
that pop i was like oh you can transfer them now well that's nice of them after
you know Ah, the dead lawsuit.
Which one? This, the... Yeah, which one?
The one where pro play doesn't work on created player, or...
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I don't know. The stupidity in this game. 2K.
Yeah. 2K. It's like you love it or hate it. No, I mean, I do love the game. Don't get me wrong.
I think that's why we're so passionate about it, because we do love it. Yeah. Yeah, we do.
I spent more time creating Jordan shoes than actually playing the game, to be honest with you.
You know what? You're not the only one that does that, too, because I don't
(16:11):
do it, but I know people that do.
Yeah. They'll get some fours or some threes, like, oh, yeah, look at my...
The air conditioner don't work, but check out them shoes, you know?
You know that's what i would end
up doing i i hit myself i hit
my elbow i mean it's nothing funny about
i know i get you but you
hit your funny elbow sir do you create the shoes so that you could be one of
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those people that you picked for the the best shoes oh so you can get the no
the vc no how much did you get no how much would you get i i think it's 250
i don't know 250 that I mean, that's still not even enough anymore.
I think it was 20, I guess, you could not go back and look, created your shoe,
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but you can buy them for free. That is true.
But in 23, they changed it, and I was like, kind of turned me off. I was like, really?
Oh, you got to buy your own shoes you designed? Each one, yeah. That's wild.
That's wild. But in 20, you can just have them all, whatever,
all of them that you created, pay for it once and be done. You know,
(17:16):
I listen to this more and more, and I'm just like, why do we buy these games?
Hoping that they'll change? So that we could be the next legend.
We love paying the $70 roster up there. Yes. Yes. Absolutely.
I don't know. I mean, I know Devin Booker's in the game. I know Giannis is in
the game. I know LeBron is.
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LeBron James. LeBron James. Shout out to him.
I know Carl Malone. He's in the game.
Oh, yeah. So are they bringing back the older players? Well, they did. In 23?
I forgot who. They brought back like a whole Select Your Era thing. They did?
All right, cool. Then you can change the era. I thought that was awesome.
(17:58):
I think they're bringing back two more eras now.
Full disclosure, my last one is 22. All right, full disclosure.
Yeah, the era started in 23, I think. I'm behind. That's okay.
That's all right. That's not a big deal.
Because, I mean, they already had them beforehand. I don't know.
Did they do the errors thing? Well, that's not that they didn't do the errors,
(18:20):
but they had, like, all-time teams or these teams. Yeah, I do see that. Yeah.
So, I mean, it's nothing different, but they're just like, oh,
we bought something nice. And it's just like, come on, man. Like, we're not stupid.
We know what's what and who's for.
Is that where the GOAT debate keeps coming up?
Is it goat debate yeah does it stem from 2k i mean it probably could drive clicks
(18:46):
that's all it probably could no debate yeah not here not here that that's it's for a different day,
for a different time unless y'all want to debate it we can
debate nba live in 2k that's for sure but you
know 2k is going to take it yeah 2k is definitely yeah i think
2k has a better presentation yeah the
gameplay is a lot better yeah i'll say that the dribbling system
(19:08):
is better i will also say that and
i'm gonna go out on a limb here nba live
04 was the last good nba live game i agree
not to check that one out because 05 had carmelo anthony and i remember the
slogan nba live 05 supposed to be the best one the best one and that shit was
(19:29):
hot garbage was it where Where you had to put an input or input a command.
You're leading or running towards the goal of the hoop. And you had to do one set of command.
Then another set. For the dunk
contest? No, I think it was for just the whole game. I think it was, no.
It was just for the dunk? I think it was for the dunk contest.
(19:50):
Where you had to put in specific command? Yeah, yeah. Yes, it is the dunk contest.
In 05. That started in 05. And that was when that game started going down.
Yeah, that's when I stopped playing. I was like, what is this? Why? Yeah.
And even though my player was selected for the dunk contest, I just, I didn't do it.
Like in real life. I didn't know the commands. Like in real life.
Yeah. And if I wanted to have inputs, I would play DDR at this point. Yeah.
(20:14):
Yeah. I would play DDR. I was like, how many buttons do you want me to press
for this simple dunk? Simple dunk, yeah.
Which you don't need in the actual game. In the actual game.
And it's not like it gave you time to actually do it.
Or the Persona 3 and 4 game, Dancing in Moonlight. I'll do that all day,
every day. I'll put in those inputs, but not for a basketball game. What?
(20:34):
Yeah, it was a bit much. Yeah, it was. So, that was a downfall. NBA Live.
So, did anyone ever play Barkley Shut Up and Jam? I heard of it.
I didn't play it. No. It came out like in 93, 94.
Pass. Pass. What? He doesn't like Barkley.
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30 points, 40 points, Krispy Kreme Donuts.
So, was it 93, 94? So, I'm like 10 at this time.
And pops picked it up for me and this
was one of the games where they decided to
switch the controller layout so like a button would do something different like
in common or most games it'd be like a to shoot but this game wanted something
(21:17):
different and i got all mad and frustrated i was crying i paged my dad because
i was mad man i couldn't play the game it was
difficult and then by the time he called back
i figured out how to play it but i
didn't like that came at all it was horrible it was
(21:38):
the shooting was off slow do not recommend oh here's an obscure basketball game
we played you remember nba inside zone or in the zone on playstation vaguely
vaguely it was like the big the big polygon guys running around all this good stuff Michael Jordan,
I think, was in it. I think that was one of the first games Michael Jordan was
(21:58):
in. Actually was in the game.
Yeah. And then I remember the Rockets had the blue pinstripe jerseys in that game. Oh, yes.
That was also the first game. You got the black Jordan.
No, not Jordan, but black Bulls jerseys. Yeah.
Yeah, I remember that. I remember that. That was a good game. Fagley.
I remember that. Now, your game, the Charles Barkley Jam, that's what you call it?
(22:20):
Shut Up and Jam. Barkley Shut Up and Jam. Yeah. that one did that come around
or come out around double dribble was it competing with double dribble so for
barclay it came out in sega genesis in 93 then super nintendo 94 double dribble,
nintendo yeah nintendo no no double dribble was late 80s yeah that was the one
(22:43):
where is that the one where like you tried to steal the ball and it looked like you punched him.
Double dribble came out in 87 and 87
all right yeah oh yeah so a few years
down the road just took his cookies and then
he said it looks like it it looks like you punched him just straight up just
went steal and then you know nba jam obviously everybody knows oh yeah yeah
(23:11):
i know it nba jam nba hang time i mean they're all the same game yeah there's different versions,
But NBA Jam's where it's at. I remember we were just at Monster Arcade like
a couple weeks ago playing that. Oh, man. That was an intense game. Wasn't it? Yeah.
It was. Let me tell y'all something.
Is it the shoe? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to tell you something right now.
(23:31):
If you guys play NBA Jam, even as old as we are now, you're still going to be sweating bullets.
Like that game, we lost the first game. It was me, Dave, Poppy, and RJ.
We lost the first game. We're like, all right, no, run that back.
So we ran it back. And then we won the second game.
And we barely won the third game.
Barely, like by a button. And I'm like, man, like I don't want to play this anymore.
(23:55):
I don't. I feel like sweating. Yeah, it was, man. We were there.
We were there for a hot 30 minutes just playing the damn game.
Yeah, NBA Jam, you want to get a good sweat session? Sweat session.
Damn, I can't talk. But yes. Yes. NBA Jam. What about NBA Street?
NBA Street 2. too i i touched it
(24:18):
a little bit i really didn't like that one what i didn't i
mean it was like hippie gym but more artistic yeah trick based yeah yeah but
it's not the real thing i mean if i'm gonna play basketball i want to play basketball
i don't want to do okay new simulation in the air and dunk the ball i don't
want to do all that i got you yeah fair.
(24:39):
Yeah yeah you played it yeah oh man i had it we played yeah we played the hell
out of that game I remember going to grandma's house I brought it with us Yeah
I remember Playing it there Or did I pick it up there One of the No I think
you We brought it up Brought it up there I remember playing it Before we even left,
Or Oh N1 Basketball For the For PlayStation 2 So did that go by That one I wish
(25:01):
I would have got Street Hoops,
Because Or was it just called N1 Cause I know I think it was Street N1 Basketball
Street Hoops yeah Alright cool Yeah I wish I would have Grabbed that one I'd like the The Professor,
Well so it was It was simulation But it was a little arcadey Yeah, 5 on 5, came out in 2002,
PS2, Xbox, GameCube, and had your, you know, and one was the thing at the time
(25:24):
where Streetball, Streetball rather, Half Poon, Half Amazing, Hot Sauce, you know.
Yeah, Hot Sauce got Hot Sauced up in the NBA. I played it once.
You didn't like it? It was all right. Yeah, it was just all right.
We just took the funny, I took the funny things out of it. You know,
when you block somebody, you still see it. You'd be like, the guy would be like, D, not.
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So there was one time Steve and I were playing it, and we were just making fun of that.
So one of us said, D, didn't finish it.
We went through the night, played games, fell asleep. one of us woke up and said, not.
That's hilarious. Yeah, but it was good.
(26:09):
Oh, around that time, I think NBA Ballers came out as well. Yeah,
with Stefan Marbury on the cover.
N-B-A Hey, B-B-B-B-B-Ballers. That's how it was.
I don't remember anything from that game. I probably, another one played for
five minutes. It was like an NBA GM type game, but with like realistic people.
(26:32):
Yeah. Yeah. They're like, here, we'll slap your name on this game.
Yeah. It was like one of those things where it's like, oh, well,
you played the game and you got like city life that you deal with and off the court stuff.
And it was just like, eh, it was all right. You spent millions of dollars.
Right. it was it was okay it was okay for
what it was remember it but yeah it
(26:53):
was all right the nba ballers yeah i would say if
they put a little more time into it it would have been a good one for sure
like up there i would say up there with what are we at oh three right yeah so
they were just pumping games out left and right there's no stopping any you
think they want to bring them back they should not some not not not most of
those that we named no why not because they They probably didn't make a lot of money. Yeah.
(27:18):
Yeah, because they played the players more than they made on the money. Right.
Mm-hmm. So I would...
I would say if there would be a revival of any of those, it would be NBA Street.
I can see that. Because they tried to do home court, which was NBA Street-esque.
Kind of like what they did with the NFL arcade on the 360 PS3.
(27:41):
And they were supposed to be replicants of NFL Street and NBA Street.
They didn't turn out well. Didn't work out, yeah.
Because they, let's face it, they were bad. They were bad, you know.
But I would say if, because I know they had what? What, they came out with three of them?
For NBA Street? Yeah. Three or four. I think NBA Live should do a war again.
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They can't. They can't. Yes, they can. 2K has a stranglehold. Even with 2K. They can.
They can. Does 2K have an exclusive license? Nope.
Okay. See, that's why there should be a war then.
I mean, you're right, but I mean, they got to do something.
Yeah. Because the Frostbite engine is barely keeping Madden up,
let alone anything else.
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You don't. You can talk bad about Madden. Hey, no, no.
I love Madden. I love... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Didn't Madden just come
out? I just bought it. I just bought it.
I just bought this game. All right?
NCAA is amazing. And I'm like, you know what? Madden's just going to be just as good.
And I'm going to be so hurt by the time I play it and be like,
I fucking hate this game.
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But I'm still going to play it. Oh, you haven't played it yet?
Not yet. I just threw it on Herc's bed.
He's like, oh, thanks, Unki. I'm like, it's not yours, but you're welcome.
Every time i get a game the man he pops it open hope you can i play it like man come on just,
fine take it leave me alone yeah and
then i never see it i haven't seen tech in eight since
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i bought it it's gone it is gone
it is gone into the abyss all my switch games gone um
all my old old stuff that he's been playing
gone my final fantasy 8 i don't know where it's at and
it's it's encased and everything original playstation playstation
box the three the big one yeah yeah the three discs gone wow i don't know where
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that's at it's somewhere in his room i'm sorry that's all right but you want
to know something you want to know what he told me he said what's that hey onky
when you die can i get your stuff i mean i guess at least he asked i was like all right well
i don't have to put it in my will now i know who's gonna get it that man they
better not sell it off Oh, no.
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They won't. That's what I'm saying. Like, they should bring back one of them
so that they could be a war.
I don't know if we'll have wars anymore in video games. Because everything's
so monopolized now. Yeah.
Like, there was a college basketball game that competed with nobody.
No, that's not true. Because the NBA, the EA came out with basketball games, too, for college.
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They did. EA and, well, individual concepts.
I think they were the same. I was looking go back and look yeah I thought there
was only one that dominated it.
EA did, but I don't think they made a long string of them.
I think 2K did, though. 2K made a long string of them. I think up until 2K9,
2K, 2K9, somewhere around there.
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I'm not sure. I would have to double check. Yeah, there really was no one.
It was like three games. It was like three, three or four. Okay. All right.
I think it started in 2K6 and then went to 2K9 or something like that.
So no war, that's what you're saying. No war. Not right now.
They all get their act together. Right. They will. They will.
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Man, you are more optimistic than me. You are. They will. And I'm a pretty optimistic person.
Xbox out here threatening to leave the console race.
Well, that's if by 2027 they make the numbers that they need to make.
Okay. I mean, where were we at? 24? All right. Yeah, so they got some time.
But then they came back saying, oh, well, no.
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Do I do the next console? whole look i don't
know what's going on but the ecosystem's amazing at the moment they
want to focus on that but how can we how can they focus on
something they don't have anything to play on besides pc because
you can't play the 360 games on pc no you
can't which is stupid now i have to go out and buy a whole new system to play
them on there to play yeah i don't know i feel they're kind of fully even shut
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down the 360 store right i saw that recently i do think they want to go i I
know I mentioned it before, the cloud gaming route.
I think they want to go, I guess, use 360 and put them on there so people can play.
But I'm sure the excuse we'll get is licensing things. Okay,
so you got that. So it's going to be licensing. I know PlayStation did it.
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So let's focus on that for a minute, and then let's put a sports game into it.
So something like 2K. Yes. On cloud gaming.
That's not going to run well. Why wouldn't it run well? Well,
unless you have fiber optic...
Here we go. Well, I'm just saying, unless you have fiber optic.
Oh, so you mean like the latency, I guess?
The latency is going to be bad because the latency is already bad now as it
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is playing normal online.
I've experienced that with some PS2 games.
Yeah, but you already have like these gamers that are playing,
I should say, top notch for the internet speed.
I mean, they can have top notch internet speed, but you can have one Joe Schmoe
and be like, I'm going to play this on Wi-Fi and just ruin everything for everybody.
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That's true. Yeah, you'll talk about the speed that...
So if they're going to do that, they've got to make a requirement.
You have to have fiber optic internet. You cannot do this without it.
But, you know, they're not going to do that. They're going to have as many people
as they possibly can to make as much money as they can.
And 2K is, unfortunately, one of the biggest culprits of this particular situation
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because let's go ahead and drop $150 on the collector's edition or whatever it is.
I'll go ahead and I'll give you a year of NBA...
Pass or whatever it is yeah and you're only gonna watch maybe a month
of it a month and then you're
gonna go ahead and spend twenty dollars every so often for the vc for the vc
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yeah and then you'll look at your bank statements like damn i spent six hundred
dollars on vc that quick i did that once i never will do that again i did it
in 2k19 i remember i made like six different characters i'm like man this ain't
good this ain't good this ain't good and i looked at my bank statement i
spent almost three thousand dollars what holy
cow three thousand it was
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like twenty six hundred dollars yeah yeah they're
loving you right now well that was back in 2018 right doesn't
matter they're loving you right yeah i'm the culprit
i'm the bad person that is allowing this
to happen did they send you a thank you letter no they didn't
even they didn't give me any vaseline or already i remember
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2k20 complaining to daryl about it i guess a year later they turned off the
servers in 2k20 yeah so i booted up the game and played my player i said no
not today i was like wait a minute don't tell me they removed me from the server.
But yeah i just like that really i don't like about 2k because i'm like eric
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like you want to just play something and then can't play it.
It's like, wait a minute, hold up. There's something wrong with my game system.
Did I get banned? Yeah. What happened? And that's what it is. Server's down.
You know what? I'm so sick of this. Like, I mean, Call of Duty even has their
old servers up right now. Yeah.
Halo has their old servers up right now.
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That was amazing when they did that. I was like, whoa.
And you're telling me, you're telling me that a sports game can't keep their servers up?
No, because they wanted to push the new game. Yeah, I got to get you to make
money. To keep people from playing the old game. Yeah.
I got a belly full of white dog crap in me. And you lay this shit on me?
Like, come on, man. That's crazy. yeah because if
you stuck with the game that you like you stuck with the 2k that you
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like you're not going to buy the newest version no oh well
i wouldn't say that no because i was i
was done at 20 but then i'm like
eric i was done at 20 but then 23 was like
hey 10 bucks buy the game yeah come
on over the water's fine i was
like damn it and then you like dip your toe in yes it's
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kind of warm all right let me put my waist in you know let me let me wet my
whistle a little bit and then you started playing and you fully were submerged
i was breaststroke i was went in the olympic medal yeah that's right that's
right you better be proud sir be proud of your transgressions,
yeah i pushed it with 21 and 22.
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I didn't like 22 and i was like i'm done i'm not even thinking about getting 23.
Nah i'm good we're all going to be on 25 here yeah
that's true because something thing i'm especially on
the cover oh my god you gotta get
it now jason tatum is on the cover yeah but i guess there's multiple covers
that they're doing oh my god so they're doing i think the collector's edition
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is vince carter on it yes that's your boy too yeah i'm good man i'm tracing
the grady fay so i do miss those tai chis yeah yeah but i'm gonna say this i'm gonna say this.
You got to get two now.
You have to have one sealed and unsealed. I mean, yeah.
One to play and one to just keep up on the things. Nah, I'm good.
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Like Jason Tatum. Man.
You don't like Jason Tatum? That's a hard no for me. Why?
He plays on your team. No, he plays on their team. No, stop it.
Stop it. I mean, he kind of has been missing for a season and a half. He ain't been missing.
He ain't been missing. I think it was just butthurt that, you know,
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Brown had took the, what, the MVP?
Yes. Yeah, he was butthurt. But Brown did show up. Brown did show up.
But I mean, I kind of blame the media on this because everyone's like,
Jason Tatum, yeah, come on. You can't say that.
All they were talking about was Jason Tatum. They never talked about Jalen Brown
whatsoever. Correct. Never.
Never. Never. Although Jalen Brown got drafted first.
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That's right. And the moment that he took the MVP, now we're butthurt. Nah, I'm good.
Because what, Tatum didn't show up until game four? Exactly.
Game five? Yeah. I'm just going to say this. You getting talked about.
Now, mind you, mind you, you hear all these things.
You're going to get a big head. You're going to be like, oh,
yeah, I'm the best player and all the rest of it. You're going to get content.
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You're going to get content. And I think that's what happened with him. He got content.
Jalen Brown said, no, he went screaming by.
No, that's not exactly what happened. His level play rose.
And then i don't know i mean i'm
gonna be real with you i never really thought jason tatum was like super
great right yeah i mean he's good he's good don't
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get me wrong better than me anyway he's a good he's a good shooter i'll give
him that he's a good shooter he is but he dribbles too much for me exactly exactly
exactly i just don't like what he did off the court with the coach that's the
only thing i'm sorry that was allegedly okay well let's go into this real quick
we're talking about How's the bar? Hold on.
Might have to edit this portion. Oh, okay. All right. All right.
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All right. Like, I remember. I don't remember.
What the coach was his name? The one who was married to Nia Long.
He got him fired, man. He got your coach fired. Oh, did he just say,
hey, this is what's going on? Yeah, he was the one. Oh, he was the one.
So, wait. What happened?
He was the one. Oh, wait. What happened? What happened? He got. What's his name?
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Udami or Udami. What's his name? Hold on. Let me look it up here.
Udonis Haslam? No, no, the coach.
Oh, the guy that got into it with, what's his name, LeBron?
Yeah, that one, yeah. He got that one fired. Allegedly, well, it wasn't allegedly.
It came out that he- Let's just say allegedly, just for the record. Yeah, we'll say that.
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He was messing around with the- Some executive. Yeah, the chief financial officer's wife. Wife, yeah.
The ones that cuts the checks, he was messing around. And it was reported that
Jason Tatum wanted to do the same thing.
When he found out he was upset, he said,
I wouldn't do it too, man. What do you mean I can't do it? Wait,
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wait, hold up, hold up, hold up. He was mad. He was mad.
Let me. He was mad. Let me. No, don't edit this.
Because I'm about to go flame right now.
So this man literally was going to commit adultery with a woman and someone
beat him to it first. Yes.
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And he got mad about it? Yes.
Hold up hold up this is like a mixture of unicorn and poseidon put together
right now like this is ridiculous how do you get upset about something like
that listen i don't condone cheating i know i don't do that obviously i don't
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either i don't but to do the way do it like he did that was foul Wow, that was dirty.
I mean, he couldn't have just said, I've been bested? Like, you know, like.
No, that was dirty. Nego would not allow that. Yeah, that was dirty.
Wow. I guess Emi Udoka? Yeah, that's his name. Udoka.
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I mean, look, the only thing I can think of, the only thing I can think of is
this man really was trying to get an extra pay. He was. He was.
He was. And he was upset that he got beaten.
Well, I mean, in that regard, yes. But I'm talking about like if he was trying
to get like like actual more money.
Yes. Okay. All right. Extend Brown's contract. Yes, they did.
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Brown's contract first. Yeah.
We were just mad all around. Yikes. Yeah.
So, I mean, that's why the USA team treated him like the way they treat him.
Like, no, you ain't stitching on me.
Sit there and ride the bench. It's kind of like the D'Angelo, D'Angelo Russell.
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Yo he was he he screamed a douchebaggery to
me like even when he was in college i'm like
yeah something's off with this dude i don't really i don't i don't know
what it is but i don't know i don't like
it and then that came out and i was like yep that's exactly
why it makes sense that's exactly why like oh yeah so you you did what else
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it's like get out of here man get out of here hey yeah i don't like jason tayton
okay it's all right it's gonna be a hard pass for me for was it 2k 25 yeah yeah
that's i'm good it's gonna be no for me dog.
Jason tayton was on nah i'm good so by the time this is out the nba season will
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be i just don't want people thinking that this is a dark skin light skin type
situation oh no no not Not at all. Not at all.
Not at all. You just casual conversation. Yeah, exactly. Just casual.
I just don't like Jason Tatum. I just don't. That's all right.
Well, you've heard it here, folks. Jason Tatum is not a liked man here. No, he's not.
So do you have a favorite player that you do like? I guess, who's your all-time
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favorite? I think my all-time favorite, it was a toss-up. So...
Eric and I, we debated between Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen, right? Mm-hmm.
And I'm a huge Michael Jordan fan, but I believe the GOAT has to be split between
Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan.
Now, I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me, but the timeline
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of everything, Jordan came in at 85, Pippen came in at, what, 87?
I thought it was a little later than that. It could have been.
It could have been. I thought it was early 90s, like 91, 99.
That's when they've got their first championship.
So I had him in the league in 87.
87? Okay. Yeah. And so I was looking at the timeline, and if the first championship
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of the Bulls was in 91, then we would have to split the goat talk between Micah
Jordan and Scottie Pippen.
Because if it wasn't for Scottie Pippen, who knows if Jordan would have got
that first championship.
Oh, we all knew that if it wasn't for Scottie Pippen, he would have never gotten
it. So that's how I feel about it.
So I like those two. And I'm a huge Dwight Howard fan on the court for the record.
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Okay. Anything outside of that, that's his business.
Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. Can I name a favorite?
And Tracy McGrady. Tracy McGrady? Gotta play Tracy McGrady. Yeah.
He's that, that like what?
How many points in like eight seconds?
Nine seconds. Yeah. That was ridiculous.
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Six, nine. It was like 12 points in eight seconds. 12 points.
But the only thing that. Was this one with Toronto or Magic? They were playing.
He was on the Magic. He was on the Magic. Okay. No, no, no. He was on the Rockets.
He was on the Rockets. He was on the Rockets. They played against the Spurs, I believe. I believe.
Yes, it was the Spurs. I think. I'll double check that though.
But anyway, as you were saying.
No, I just think that I wish that he would have got a ring. Just one.
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I really do. Yeah. Because.
Good player just stuck on bad teams. Stuck on bad teams.
I mean my favorite growing up jordan 13
points in 33 seconds like sheesh that's crazy that
is crazy but by the time against the spurs jordan left who'd you go to i really
it was a few players kobe no maybe i really wasn't a kobe fan i wasn't i really
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wasn't really either till i got older i'm like damn this is good like he's literally
a clone of after you know on the back end of his career I was like, okay.
And I started respecting him more. But I was a fan of Kevin Garnett.
Hard pass. Was wrong with KG, man. He helped y'all win a championship.
Helped him get a championship. I'm the Boston fan. I guess you were the Boston fan at that time, yes.
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Who else you got? I'm trying to think of who else around that time. Kevin Garnett.
John Blinker, Vince Carter. AI. Yes, Allen Iverson. AI.
I don't know how you couldn't be a fan of Allen Iverson. Shout out to Allen
Iverson. Yes. Even when he went against.
Jordan. Not Jordan. The crossover. But I'm the Laker machine.
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Yeah. It was the Lakers versus Iverson because I don't think you really had
anybody else on that team. No, I mean, you had Eric Snow.
Yeah. And Eric Hughes. Who? and andre
iguodala okay i mean that's
all that time what was it i think lou
will was there this is when the east was like in their bad years
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yeah they were going down where you had like two teams under 500 making the
playoffs that's correct yeah that's well i mean basketball really wasn't my
thing so i mean i watched it don't get me wrong i don't really have a favorite
player i will i will Well,
I mean, since we're already bringing this up, we've been talking about NB Live and 2K.
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This whole GOAT debate between LeBron and Jordan is ridiculous.
Agreed. It's ridiculous. Daryl and I talk about it all the time.
People are just holding on to something that's never going to be there,
but then yet no one wants to talk about when Jordan was shitty. Right.
That's my point. Yeah, Jordan was shitty. Well, some people do bring it up.
I mean, shitty as far as not being able to, what, get out of the first round?
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That's right. Yeah, get out of the first round.
But they were saying that he was playing with a bunch of, I don't want to say
this and put a negative light, but he was playing with a bunch of drug addicts.
I mean, that's, yeah, they've been able to like that for a while. Yeah.
So. I mean, did you see the Lakers, the Lakers documentary or even the show that came out?
Yeah. So it is. I didn't watch that one. It's actually really good.
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So it is. That's what it is. It's like, you know, he's in the era where,
you know, it's the 80s and cocaine, heroin.
Yeah. It's readily available for anybody.
So he didn't do it, but that's who he played with.
I mean, and who's the, who's to say that's not happening now? It probably does.
Yeah. But the league isn't like it is back then. Cause now, you know, they actually train.
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Well, I guess I hope some of them would train, but yeah. Well,
I mean, the, what is the commissioner just said that they can smoke marijuana.
Right. Which I think is great. Yeah. They can do that. So that just opens the door for anything else.
I mean, they were going to do it anyway. Yeah. Regardless of whether it was legal or not. Yeah.
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They're still going to do it. Yeah. I read a book about one of the infamous
sports trainers that worked with Kobe and D-Wade.
And he was saying that, yo, he can tell when a dude is high.
He can tell. Because the game is off. They're not focused. Stuff like that. So, yeah.
Yeah. But who do y'all think? LeBron or Jordan?
Oh, well, Daryl and I talk about this all the time. It's era.
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I did not say LeBron. He said LeBron. No.
He's not. No. Just, it's a different era of basketball. Okay. All right. Enough.
Enough. I'm so sick of this shit. Yes. Okay.
If you want to do the factors of it being a different era of basketball,
different teammates, different this.
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All right. Let's just get a conglomerate of things. Let's start with Jordan first. All right.
Jordan. Jordan, again, as we mentioned, couldn't make it out of the playoffs
in the late 80s, early 90s, right? That's correct.
Oh, couldn't make it past the first round, right? Correct. Finally got their
first championship, what, 91?
91. 91. Okay. So then that's when he finally had Scottie Pippen and,
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I don't know, Wills in some places. Yeah, he did. He had, what was it, Greg Hodges?
Greg Hodges. This is the coach? No. No, no, no. He did have a squad on him.
Horace Grant. Horace Grant. B.J. Armstrong.
Yeah. B.J. Armstrong. But B.J. Armstrong came later, didn't he?
Yeah, a little bit later. Was it? Okay. But, I mean, he's still a teammate.
Just keep that in mind because he had all of those factors around him.
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Okay. So, nothing like he had in the 80s when he came in.
Right. And then, so, I mean, give him his accolades, you know,
defensive all-time in the league.
Yep. He's got some good accolades. MVP, the 7th third.
But he couldn't do it without a team. Correct. He literally proved that.
That was my point. Mm-hmm. That was my point. All right. So, then...
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He wins all those games, wins all those championships. LeBron.
Now, I didn't respect LeBron after the whole decision thing,
right? Go on, take my town south.
Yeah, well, I mean, here's the thing. Like, how are you going to anticipate
to have me, like, sit here, watch this thing for three, four fucking hours for
you to be like, oh, I'm just going to Miami? You could have just said it and called it a day.
Clicks, man. Get people watching TV. Right. Download.
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Web traffic. He did the same thing for Los Angeles. He kept people waiting.
And I was in Phoenix at the time, and my cousin's husband was like,
yo, he's going to Los Angeles. I'm like, nah, he's going to stay in Cleveland.
And he was right. He went to. I mean, he won a championship in Cleveland.
He had nothing else to do there. Yeah, he had nothing else.
But here's the thing. You go to the finals 10 years in a row.
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It's the East now. It's the East. Yeah. I mean, the East, I mean,
yeah, the East was whack. I'll tell you that. The East was whack.
The East was whack. But you still got to beat those teams. True.
You still got to beat them. And you play them multiple times.
It's hard to beat a team twice.
That's true. So you got that. You literally maybe have one superstar.
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Well, besides Miami, he had Wade and Bosh. Right. And Haslam.
Yeah. And word had it that the four of them were supposed to go to New York.
New York fucked that up. Yeah. New York fucked up. My Knicks fuck up every fucking thing.
Were they still paying Allen Houston? oh my god they're
still paying alan are you serious i think so
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just like like just like bobby bonilla is always getting paid wait
man wait wait houston retired when
back in like mid 90s and
late 90s yes nice it's nice
keep paying me bobby bonilla's doing it did the same thing
with who the padres not the padres mets was it
mets the mets yeah you know you know bobby benny
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is right yes yeah i want to my man is
being new york no well they so they
couldn't pay his contract oh when
they let him go so they were like oh okay well we'll
pay you in in these increments all that interest was getting
built up so now they pay him they're literally
paying him for a lifetime literally yes nice july
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1st every july 1st is bobby benny a day it gets what like a million dollars
something like that 1.2 million yeah geez until 2035 2035 yeah 2035 so he's
got 11 more years of this yeah i hope he's not blowing his money but i wouldn't blow it neither so.
They've been paying him since 2000 my god so yeah we're still probably playing
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alan houston And we, man, we had Mello there.
There were some good people there. And LeBron, Wade and Bosh and Udonis were
supposed to go to New York.
New York offered somebody, I think it was, I can't remember who it was.
They offered somebody money and that screwed up everything.
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But anyway, that's a side note. Okay, so his super team basically was Miami, right?
Yes. Went to the finals a couple times with them, won a couple.
Yeah, he won two. And then he won two in Cleveland, right? One in Cleveland,
just one. One? Yeah, one in Cleveland. And then one in Lakers.
One in the Lakers. So you go to the finals nine times, literally have two championships
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with a legit team, and then two others with no team whatsoever. It was literally him.
I mean, Miami Beach is a district. Mo Cheeks, Mo Cheeks, Kyrie Irving,
Miami Beach. They won two championships.
It's a distraction, bro. They won two championships.
They could have won a third. I got to go, bro.
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And then you come back to Cleveland to nobody. You're right.
That's where I get to be. Nobody.
I don't know. And then you win a championship.
My boys, Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith, they deserve that because they should
have got that in New York when Mello was there.
They should have got that. I'm upset just talking about this. But anyway.
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Amelo was never that person that wanted a ring. He wanted stats.
No. Yes. You think so? Yes.
That boy can shoot out the gym, but never wanted a ring. But he was the one
that had to pay the piper every time they lost. I know.
I know. You get mad if you didn't get 30. That's true.
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He didn't get 30. It was a bad game. They won. won all i'm saying is this he
built the team just like oh not even and not even a good team not even good
teams just like jordan did with his team and luckily the glue stuck.
Lebron had some teams where the glue just wasn't sticking like how do you get d rose d wade,
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like isaiah thomas how do you get some of these dudes on your team and this
is not it i don't know i don't know the chemistry right there yeah it's the
chemistry but he had to go He hoped for so many different things to get to a
final anyway in the 10 years he did. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Like that's that is that is unbelievable that
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is unheard of he didn't have the same team
for six different fucking championships and let me know if i'm wrong let me
know if i'm wrong i mean the bulls reshuffled changed things around every two
years they changed they didn't lose much though they still had scotty and they
still had jordan right the core yes that was their bread than butter.
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That's how they built the team around. They didn't care about anybody else.
And then when they had Dennis, it was over with.
Yeah, that was a wrap. Their rebounder. Yeah, when they picked up Dennis Rodman,
it was a wrap. It was over. It was just streetball to them then.
And still, I think the body of work with LeBron, let's be real,
it's insane what he's doing right now.
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It's insane at 40, going to be 40 here soon, that he's going to be playing another season.
Yeah, I mean, you can't take away anything LeBron is doing.
And quite honestly, we can't compare rings to rings. You can't. You cannot.
You can't do it. And the way that I look at it, LeBron has really changed the
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game versus Steph Curry, Stephen Curry, however you want to say it.
LeBron has changed the game. Yeah.
The only difference between the two, and I believe I'm wrong,
Jordan played all the positions, even as a center.
I don't know if LeBron did that. He did. He scored 10,000 points in each position.
In each position. Okay. So then we still, I see where the debate is.
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So I don't know. I don't know.
I root for Scottie Pippen myself.
I mean, Scottie's that man, though. He is. You got to give him his props, man.
He's going through some stuff. that's for sure a lot
them the locks look very sad very
sad you just got this man with the big ass nose just yeah my god yeah at least
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we know what he took you took my wife from me so oh gosh that was dirty yeah
it was that in full circle right full circle yeah the man that he was talking
about after the the dance came out that's why
he got mad well yeah but then look but
then look who's with his wife yeah that's why he was mad
oh i thought they broke up well they did but i mean they're back together oh
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they're back together i don't feel i don't just think it's just pr stuff this
is you know cools down for a little bit yeah well look at look at us gossiping
right it's beautiful it's a beautiful thing well that's all i have for basketball games.
That's a laugh for basketball info yeah that's all we have I mean we
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went hard in the paint there sure did and Jason
Tatum yeah you're not liked here not like us not like us no Aaron loves Jason
Tatum number one fan thank you guys for listening to another great episode like, comment, subscribe,
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toodles bye We out.
What so funny nothing i
got a burr in my hand you got a burr well another episode of the game pad saga
podcast i'm eric kishan and we have a guest would you like to introduce yourself
yes i am daryl hello daryl daryl thank you welcome to the club,
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with you doing that so today's episode we are going to talk about basketball
video games and you reminded me of when dennis scott would make a three and
they'll do the little sound effect at the arena fucking dennis scott three.
You've been to a basketball game making all that noise oh my bad my bad i'm
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okay just comfortable just rip it open no no we're good we're good we're good
He saw him and he was like, yeah, I think this is a good time to go after him.
So I was trying to get some biscottis and I did it the wrong time. I'm sorry.
It's all right. Go ahead. Rip it open. No, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. You can cut it. No.
Yeah, we got to edit it. Yeah, we can cut it. You already cracked it.
I didn't crack it. I didn't even see it. That's why he said something. You know what?
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Rip it open. There you go. Patty, y'all. Sean, you been to a basketball game? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
What was your- It was a while ago. What was your first basketball game? All right.
The Magic and Hawks, I think. Okay. That's nice. That's a good one. What year?
I think it was like 2008, something like that. 2008. Look at this.
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I'm making all this up. Do you remember who was on the roster in 2008?
You know who was on the roster. Jameer Nelson was still there.
Jameer Nelson. Jameer Nelson, I believe.
Dwight Howard was still there. Yeah, Dwight Howard was there.
I think you had Turkoglu.
Turkoglu? Yeah. Daryl, what was your first game? Magic game. First Magic game. Hmm.
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That's. I think when Dwight Howard came in town with the Atlanta Hawks,
I think that was my first. Okay.
My first game was mid-90s. Pops took me to go see Boston and Magic.
No, I can't. At the old. I can't. I just can't. At the old arena.
And that's when they had the squad, right? They had. Yes. Anthony.
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Anthony. Yeah. Shaq. Shaq Hill. Yes. Yeah. Dennis Scott. Oh, you went to go see Shaq?
That's cool. I didn't know that. Did you get an autograph from Shaq?
No. No autographs. That sucks. That's okay.
Hey, you know, it's all right.
Back then, I did not realize the importance of autographs, but hey.
That's too late now, huh?
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Shaq see ball. Shaq get ball. Shaq put ball in a bucket.
So, let's see. Do you remember the first basketball video game that you played?
Bulls vs. Blazers on Super Nintendo. How was that?
It was interesting. It was interesting.
It was actually a good game. It was good. Because they came out with two games.
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They came out with... I think it was Lakers.
Lakers and Celtics, I think. Yes. And then Bulls vs. Blazers.
Yes. And I can't remember the company who made it.
We can consult the almighty Google. Google, but I remember there was a Google.
Yes. Yes. Let, let Google chime in. I can look it up.
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It'd be like, I don't know what you're talking about. Right.
So I remember playing that game and then obviously you're the bulls.
And then there was a, there was something I found in that game where I would
take Michael Jordan, go to half court and shoot it, make it every time in the same spot. Just really.
Yeah. Yeah. Every time. That's how I went. From deep down. Yeah.
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They call that a glitch. Yes. From downtown.
It's all right. The Warriors made it a legit thing. Actually,
you know what? I lied. I lied.
So, I would say NBA Jam would be my first basketball game.
Same here. Bulls vs. Blazers was after that. Okay. All right. What about you, dude?
Live all day. That was my- Live when you started? Yeah, live.
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And then you were like, no, 2K is better.
That game is trash. Well, let's see. NBA Live 95.
I probably play that one all the time. I know I play at the house with you.
95 was the shit. It was a good one. They kind of taper off.
Yeah, they, 95.
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So let's let's let's we'll start with nba live yeah let's start with nba live
so nba live i think the first one i did play was 94 on the super nintendo.
No was it 97 we played 97 yeah could have been i think it was 97 because i know
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we had it for the sega genesis yeah and then we also had it on computer that's
when they had the upgraded
updated graphics for pc at the time when when pc was the next gen yeah i remember
playing the hell out of that game on pc a lot and then we started transitioning to like the,
to like the mid 2000s so like nba live 2003 well i mean i don't think i played
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2001 i didn't play 2002 but when 2003 came about who was on the cover that was that jason kidd,
jason kidd was on the cover of that one i'm not sure i don't
remember yeah i'm not sure about that one because i started
in 04 nba live 04 okay so
four i think that was the best one yes that was the best one that came out for
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the ps2 original xbox at that time correct nba live let me check this out nba
live covers because we need them so around that time after After 95 came out,
we started getting yearly releases.
NBA Live, 95, 96. Yeah, 04 was... 95, I would like the 2010.
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We did not get an NBA Live in 2011 or 2012.
Elite 11 is what it was called. Yes, they're trying to make a comeback.
There we go with the ums again. Horrendous. It was horrendous.
Yes, so I guess they had developmental problems with the game.
But i don't know if the developer was
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upset with ea because i guess
this was the time that ea was moving from canada coming
to florida so i don't know if it was like before or after
so they were like we're not putting in no effort into this
game so i have a story for you about nba live actually so
2k is involved with this too so i believe nba
2k they had mike wang from the
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end end of 2k6 all the way to 2k9 mike
wang and i saw this in an interview i can't
remember where i saw it at but mike wang was like and he
was like this is i'm gonna quote him himself he's like it's kind of a sick twisted
way of me thinking but what if i went to ea and helped make nba live and start
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a war and that's what he did he left 2k i mean that's what they do yeah yeah
he went to ea and literally started a war.
Literally. And then he went back to 2K. So that's why 2K is good.
So when it was coming back, when NBA Live was coming back in the later 20-teens. Yeah. It came back.
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Yeah, it was a much better game when I think it was NBA Live 12,
I think. Was it 12 or 13? 13.
Yeah, 13 was significantly better than 10 in any of the previous ones. I agree.
I agree on that one, yeah. And then, you know, Mike Wing left.
Obviously, they couldn't take the formula because they didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
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Right. And here we are. 2K is king and pisses me off. And I hate threes. I hate rec.
I hate everything. thing i'm not trying to pay 100 you know what let me drink
to that let me let me drink to that i mean it's okay yeah you're about to go
off on it but i agree with you i hate wreck i think wreck is,
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it's not for the beginners and you have to have a strong strong heart yeah because these dudes.
Quitting rage quitting i never played wreck i stayed away i just did the whole
i mean See, rec is fun when you got a good squad with you, right? Yeah.
But don't be the guy that's trash. Yeah.
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Don't be the guy that's trash. Like, he's a brown shirt. He's a phony. A big, fat phony.
No lone reindeer. I played rec one time, man. The dude hurt my feelings so bad,
I started crying in the game. Oh, no.
He going to go cry in the car. Hey. He going to go cry in the car.
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I had to get out of the game. They wouldn't pass me the ball or anything.
Dang, is that bad, huh? Yeah, my character was a, he happened to be a white dude.
And they were like, yo, dude, do we come to MLB and tell you how to play the
game? You know what I'm saying?
Hey, go home, bro. Wow. Well, 2K is a very toxic community to begin with. Yes, it is. Yes.
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I mean, you talk about League of Legends or, I wouldn't say Valorant.
League of Legends is definitely one.
What are some games? Counter-Strike. Mm-hmm. All those simple-ass games.
And you got 2K. It does not compare. No. It doesn't. No. These dudes are brutal.
That was a 2K1. Sorry, you had to go through that. Not 2K1. 2K.
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What was it? 2K20 or 2K21. I think it was 2K20.
2K21. Because, what? No. It was 20. because that was
the one where you had to win like certain certain games to get into
the hub right i believe so when you
did next gen yeah so i was playing and so
you had to do twos and you had to win so many other games
to get into the hub and so i'm playing the
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game and this is when like you know ps5 it
just came out and they got the little microphone on the bottom
thing and i didn't even know i'm yelling at you
and no well i mean yeah he was yelling me
through the microphone phone on the controller but i was like hold the
fuck up like if he's i got a 60 just like you
do if you're gonna blow past me if he's gonna blow past me
where's my fucking help it's a team goddamn game yeah what and you say you say
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i'm sorry you're just as sorry as me because we're losing you dumb bitch what
came with the fire today y'all yeah i am he woke up with that violence no well
see when it comes to sports games sports games get me so upset they do so upset mm-hmm.
Call of Duty, all the rest of that good stuff, I'll get a little upset.
I'll call somebody a cheater and call it a day. You know what I mean?
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You're like a cheater. Yeah, you can't really do that in sports games.
Because it's like either you're giving a good hand the whole game or you're not.
And it's just like, well, you can't really justify anything because you've had
the ball this many times.
You've either turned the ball over. You had this opportunity or that opportunity.
You don't cash in on it. It's just like, well, I can't really.
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I didn't execute well, you know? Yeah. So you can't really say anybody cheats in sports games.
Although I know when I'm losing, you're cheating. Right.
That's it. That is it. That's funny. Yeah, that's the defining point right there.
But I agree with the 2K. They start out smooth.
So when I did, when I joined or not joined, like I'm in the league,
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but when I started playing 2K9, I didn't have those issues. when i started getting into 18 19 20.
People just sitting playing a game all day all
day getting their ratings up like i
think what oh nine i mean i
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guess what online gaming was starting or just
starting to take off but it wasn't there it wasn't catching
it wasn't like it is today i remember playing madden 2004
online line yeah okay so it was
it was there but okay not not the greatest
right wasn't like a community type
thing not toxic yeah i just stayed to myself
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and just we just came here to play ball man i got
people talking all kinds of crap it's
like man you probably couldn't even do this on a real
court let alone a video game i mean some of
them can some probably can back it up i'll give them that but you're
probably just fat sitting on the couch look i'm
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halfway fat i sit on the couch i play my games so i can say that okay i can
say that about myself too but come on man yeah you're absolutely right you know
these dudes be playing all day they got a little piss jar sitting next to them
and stuff like that they just nah that's their world of warcraft i'm moving with my parents.
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These are jokes these are jokes people this series is real life but some of it is serious,
Oh, man. But, yeah, we skipped live a bit.
But it's fine. We can go back. Because after when NBA Live came back,
I mean, it really wasn't – I don't know if they were better.
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I didn't play them because I kind of stopped playing basketball games after early 2000s.
Yeah, it was about that time. Because I remember we were playing – which live wasn't on?
No, we were playing 2001 for a bit. We played 2001 together.
But after that, I kind of just stayed away from basketball games and didn't,
didn't really come back until 2K.
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I think I tried to play live, but with them having all their issues. Awful.
Awful. Because I remember going through my PS3, having Dwight Howard version,
the demo downloaded. Yeah, absolutely.
But it just that, I don't know, it felt different. It didn't feel like,
I guess, what I was used to with 2K, I guess.
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I just don't like 2K because of the fact that they want to limit the players.
Limit the players how? Yeah, they want to limit the players.
The more you progress, maybe I don't know how to play the game.
So I'm speaking for somebody that doesn't play all day.
So the more you progress, you really don't see it. That's true.
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Yeah, I can see that. because that's where i am with one of my 2k 23 i believe
started my career now i'm up to a point,
i don't know maybe it's more of the the side quest stuff that i'm just annoyed
with what's more important is what is your overall well i have to go back and
look well it's probably like a 79.
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He's in the 80s hey i paid my extra dollars
for that should be 99 no that was
kind of frustrating trading i guess you know you play or pay
to play pay to win or whatever and it doesn't
even give you the option that'd be 99 i guess i mean
it does but you
gotta so what what daryl's
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saying is that you get whatever points
that you get or the coins or whatever vc we
want your
real dollars for this fate but you can't transfer them
no oh no no no you can you can between games
oh yeah between games yeah okay all right
i the ones i have you can't so that's why i'm speaking which 2k which two yeah
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thank you i have the last one i have is 22 and you can't now if it's 23 you
probably can't yeah yeah they started doing that in 23 okay all right i saw
that pop i was like oh you can transfer them now well that's nice of them after
you know Ah, the dead lawsuit.
Which one? This, the... Yeah, which one?
The one where pro play doesn't work on created player, or...
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I don't know. The stupidity in this game. 2K.
Yeah. 2K. It's like you love it or hate it. No, I mean, I do love the game. Don't get me wrong.
I think that's why we're so passionate about it, because we do love it. Yeah. Yeah, we do.
I spent more time creating Jordan shoes than actually playing the game, to be honest with you.
You know what? You're not the only one that does that, too, because I don't
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do it, but I know people that do.
Yeah. They'll get some fours or some threes, like, oh, yeah, look at my...
The air conditioner don't work, but check out them shoes, you know?
You know that's what i would end
up doing i i hit myself i hit
my elbow i mean it's nothing funny about
i know i get you but you
hit your funny elbow sir do you create the shoes so that you could be one of
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those people that you picked for the the best shoes oh so you can get the no
the vc no how much did you get no how much would you get i i think it's 250
i don't know 250 that I mean, that's still not even enough anymore.
I think it was 20, I guess, you could not go back and look, created your shoe,
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but you can buy them for free. That is true.
But in 23, they changed it, and I was like, kind of turned me off. I was like, really?
Oh, you got to buy your own shoes you designed? Each one, yeah. That's wild.
That's wild. But in 20, you can just have them all, whatever,
all of them that you created, pay for it once and be done. You know,
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I listen to this more and more, and I'm just like, why do we buy these games?
Hoping that they'll change? So that we could be the next legend.
We love paying the $70 roster up there. Yes. Yes. Absolutely.
I don't know. I mean, I know Devin Booker's in the game. I know Giannis is in
the game. I know LeBron is.
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LeBron James. LeBron James. Shout out to him.
I know Carl Malone. He's in the game.
Oh, yeah. So are they bringing back the older players? Well, they did. In 23?
I forgot who. They brought back like a whole Select Your Era thing. They did?
All right, cool. Then you can change the era. I thought that was awesome.
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I think they're bringing back two more eras now.
Full disclosure, my last one is 22. All right, full disclosure.
Yeah, the era started in 23, I think. I'm behind. That's okay.
That's all right. That's not a big deal.
Because, I mean, they already had them beforehand. I don't know.
Did they do the errors thing? Well, that's not that they didn't do the errors,
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but they had, like, all-time teams or these teams. Yeah, I do see that. Yeah.
So, I mean, it's nothing different, but they're just like, oh,
we bought something nice. And it's just like, come on, man. Like, we're not stupid.
We know what's what and who's for.
Is that where the GOAT debate keeps coming up?
Is it goat debate yeah does it stem from 2k i mean it probably could drive clicks
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that's all it probably could no debate yeah not here not here that that's it's for a different day,
for a different time unless y'all want to debate it we can
debate nba live in 2k that's for sure but you
know 2k is going to take it yeah 2k is definitely yeah i think
2k has a better presentation yeah the
gameplay is a lot better yeah i'll say that the dribbling system
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is better i will also say that and
i'm gonna go out on a limb here nba live
04 was the last good nba live game i agree
not to check that one out because 05 had carmelo anthony and i remember the
slogan nba live 05 supposed to be the best one the best one and that shit was
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hot garbage was it where Where you had to put an input or input a command.
You're leading or running towards the goal of the hoop. And you had to do one set of command.
Then another set. For the dunk
contest? No, I think it was for just the whole game. I think it was, no.
It was just for the dunk? I think it was for the dunk contest.
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Where you had to put in specific command? Yeah, yeah. Yes, it is the dunk contest.
In 05. That started in 05. And that was when that game started going down.
Yeah, that's when I stopped playing. I was like, what is this? Why? Yeah.
And even though my player was selected for the dunk contest, I just, I didn't do it.
Like in real life. I didn't know the commands. Like in real life.
Yeah. And if I wanted to have inputs, I would play DDR at this point. Yeah.
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Yeah. I would play DDR. I was like, how many buttons do you want me to press
for this simple dunk? Simple dunk, yeah.
Which you don't need in the actual game. In the actual game.
And it's not like it gave you time to actually do it.
Or the Persona 3 and 4 game, Dancing in Moonlight. I'll do that all day,
every day. I'll put in those inputs, but not for a basketball game. What?
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Yeah, it was a bit much. Yeah, it was. So, that was a downfall. NBA Live.
So, did anyone ever play Barkley Shut Up and Jam? I heard of it.
I didn't play it. No. It came out like in 93, 94.
Pass. Pass. What? He doesn't like Barkley.
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30 points, 40 points, Krispy Kreme Donuts.
So, was it 93, 94? So, I'm like 10 at this time.
And pops picked it up for me and this
was one of the games where they decided to
switch the controller layout so like a button would do something different like
in common or most games it'd be like a to shoot but this game wanted something
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different and i got all mad and frustrated i was crying i paged my dad because
i was mad man i couldn't play the game it was
difficult and then by the time he called back
i figured out how to play it but i
didn't like that came at all it was horrible it was
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the shooting was off slow do not recommend oh here's an obscure basketball game
we played you remember nba inside zone or in the zone on playstation vaguely
vaguely it was like the big the big polygon guys running around all this good stuff Michael Jordan,
I think, was in it. I think that was one of the first games Michael Jordan was
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in. Actually was in the game.
Yeah. And then I remember the Rockets had the blue pinstripe jerseys in that game. Oh, yes.
That was also the first game. You got the black Jordan.
No, not Jordan, but black Bulls jerseys. Yeah.
Yeah, I remember that. I remember that. That was a good game. Fagley.
I remember that. Now, your game, the Charles Barkley Jam, that's what you call it?
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Shut Up and Jam. Barkley Shut Up and Jam. Yeah. that one did that come around
or come out around double dribble was it competing with double dribble so for
barclay it came out in sega genesis in 93 then super nintendo 94 double dribble,
nintendo yeah nintendo no no double dribble was late 80s yeah that was the one
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where is that the one where like you tried to steal the ball and it looked like you punched him.
Double dribble came out in 87 and 87
all right yeah oh yeah so a few years
down the road just took his cookies and then
he said it looks like it it looks like you punched him just straight up just
went steal and then you know nba jam obviously everybody knows oh yeah yeah
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i know it nba jam nba hang time i mean they're all the same game yeah there's different versions,
But NBA Jam's where it's at. I remember we were just at Monster Arcade like
a couple weeks ago playing that. Oh, man. That was an intense game. Wasn't it? Yeah.
It was. Let me tell y'all something.
Is it the shoe? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to tell you something right now.
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If you guys play NBA Jam, even as old as we are now, you're still going to be sweating bullets.
Like that game, we lost the first game. It was me, Dave, Poppy, and RJ.
We lost the first game. We're like, all right, no, run that back.
So we ran it back. And then we won the second game.
And we barely won the third game.
Barely, like by a button. And I'm like, man, like I don't want to play this anymore.
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I don't. I feel like sweating. Yeah, it was, man. We were there.
We were there for a hot 30 minutes just playing the damn game.
Yeah, NBA Jam, you want to get a good sweat session? Sweat session.
Damn, I can't talk. But yes. Yes. NBA Jam. What about NBA Street?
NBA Street 2. too i i touched it
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a little bit i really didn't like that one what i didn't i
mean it was like hippie gym but more artistic yeah trick based yeah yeah but
it's not the real thing i mean if i'm gonna play basketball i want to play basketball
i don't want to do okay new simulation in the air and dunk the ball i don't
want to do all that i got you yeah fair.
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Yeah yeah you played it yeah oh man i had it we played yeah we played the hell
out of that game I remember going to grandma's house I brought it with us Yeah
I remember Playing it there Or did I pick it up there One of the No I think
you We brought it up Brought it up there I remember playing it Before we even left,
Or Oh N1 Basketball For the For PlayStation 2 So did that go by That one I wish
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I would have got Street Hoops,
Because Or was it just called N1 Cause I know I think it was Street N1 Basketball
Street Hoops yeah Alright cool Yeah I wish I would have Grabbed that one I'd like the The Professor,
Well so it was It was simulation But it was a little arcadey Yeah, 5 on 5, came out in 2002,
PS2, Xbox, GameCube, and had your, you know, and one was the thing at the time
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where Streetball, Streetball rather, Half Poon, Half Amazing, Hot Sauce, you know.
Yeah, Hot Sauce got Hot Sauced up in the NBA. I played it once.
You didn't like it? It was all right. Yeah, it was just all right.
We just took the funny, I took the funny things out of it. You know,
when you block somebody, you still see it. You'd be like, the guy would be like, D, not.
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So there was one time Steve and I were playing it, and we were just making fun of that.
So one of us said, D, didn't finish it.
We went through the night, played games, fell asleep. one of us woke up and said, not.
That's hilarious. Yeah, but it was good.
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Oh, around that time, I think NBA Ballers came out as well. Yeah,
with Stefan Marbury on the cover.
N-B-A Hey, B-B-B-B-B-Ballers. That's how it was.
I don't remember anything from that game. I probably, another one played for
five minutes. It was like an NBA GM type game, but with like realistic people.
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Yeah. Yeah. They're like, here, we'll slap your name on this game.
Yeah. It was like one of those things where it's like, oh, well,
you played the game and you got like city life that you deal with and off the court stuff.
And it was just like, eh, it was all right. You spent millions of dollars.
Right. it was it was okay it was okay for
what it was remember it but yeah it
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was all right the nba ballers yeah i would say if
they put a little more time into it it would have been a good one for sure
like up there i would say up there with what are we at oh three right yeah so
they were just pumping games out left and right there's no stopping any you
think they want to bring them back they should not some not not not most of
those that we named no why not because they They probably didn't make a lot of money. Yeah.
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Yeah, because they played the players more than they made on the money. Right.
Mm-hmm. So I would...
I would say if there would be a revival of any of those, it would be NBA Street.
I can see that. Because they tried to do home court, which was NBA Street-esque.
Kind of like what they did with the NFL arcade on the 360 PS3.
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And they were supposed to be replicants of NFL Street and NBA Street.
They didn't turn out well. Didn't work out, yeah.
Because they, let's face it, they were bad. They were bad, you know.
But I would say if, because I know they had what? What, they came out with three of them?
For NBA Street? Yeah. Three or four. I think NBA Live should do a war again.
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They can't. They can't. Yes, they can. 2K has a stranglehold. Even with 2K. They can.
They can. Does 2K have an exclusive license? Nope.
Okay. See, that's why there should be a war then.
I mean, you're right, but I mean, they got to do something.
Yeah. Because the Frostbite engine is barely keeping Madden up,
let alone anything else.
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You don't. You can talk bad about Madden. Hey, no, no.
I love Madden. I love... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Didn't Madden just come
out? I just bought it. I just bought it.
I just bought this game. All right?
NCAA is amazing. And I'm like, you know what? Madden's just going to be just as good.
And I'm going to be so hurt by the time I play it and be like,
I fucking hate this game.
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But I'm still going to play it. Oh, you haven't played it yet?
Not yet. I just threw it on Herc's bed.
He's like, oh, thanks, Unki. I'm like, it's not yours, but you're welcome.
Every time i get a game the man he pops it open hope you can i play it like man come on just,
fine take it leave me alone yeah and
then i never see it i haven't seen tech in eight since
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i bought it it's gone it is gone
it is gone into the abyss all my switch games gone um
all my old old stuff that he's been playing
gone my final fantasy 8 i don't know where it's at and
it's it's encased and everything original playstation playstation
box the three the big one yeah yeah the three discs gone wow i don't know where
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that's at it's somewhere in his room i'm sorry that's all right but you want
to know something you want to know what he told me he said what's that hey onky
when you die can i get your stuff i mean i guess at least he asked i was like all right well
i don't have to put it in my will now i know who's gonna get it that man they
better not sell it off Oh, no.
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They won't. That's what I'm saying. Like, they should bring back one of them
so that they could be a war.
I don't know if we'll have wars anymore in video games. Because everything's
so monopolized now. Yeah.
Like, there was a college basketball game that competed with nobody.
No, that's not true. Because the NBA, the EA came out with basketball games, too, for college.
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They did. EA and, well, individual concepts.
I think they were the same. I was looking go back and look yeah I thought there
was only one that dominated it.
EA did, but I don't think they made a long string of them.
I think 2K did, though. 2K made a long string of them. I think up until 2K9,
2K, 2K9, somewhere around there.
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I'm not sure. I would have to double check. Yeah, there really was no one.
It was like three games. It was like three, three or four. Okay. All right.
I think it started in 2K6 and then went to 2K9 or something like that.
So no war, that's what you're saying. No war. Not right now.
They all get their act together. Right. They will. They will.
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Man, you are more optimistic than me. You are. They will. And I'm a pretty optimistic person.
Xbox out here threatening to leave the console race.
Well, that's if by 2027 they make the numbers that they need to make.
Okay. I mean, where were we at? 24? All right. Yeah, so they got some time.
But then they came back saying, oh, well, no.
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Do I do the next console? whole look i don't
know what's going on but the ecosystem's amazing at the moment they
want to focus on that but how can we how can they focus on
something they don't have anything to play on besides pc because
you can't play the 360 games on pc no you
can't which is stupid now i have to go out and buy a whole new system to play
them on there to play yeah i don't know i feel they're kind of fully even shut
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down the 360 store right i saw that recently i do think they want to go i I
know I mentioned it before, the cloud gaming route.
I think they want to go, I guess, use 360 and put them on there so people can play.
But I'm sure the excuse we'll get is licensing things. Okay,
so you got that. So it's going to be licensing. I know PlayStation did it.
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So let's focus on that for a minute, and then let's put a sports game into it.
So something like 2K. Yes. On cloud gaming.
That's not going to run well. Why wouldn't it run well? Well,
unless you have fiber optic...
Here we go. Well, I'm just saying, unless you have fiber optic.
Oh, so you mean like the latency, I guess?
The latency is going to be bad because the latency is already bad now as it
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is playing normal online.
I've experienced that with some PS2 games.
Yeah, but you already have like these gamers that are playing,
I should say, top notch for the internet speed.
I mean, they can have top notch internet speed, but you can have one Joe Schmoe
and be like, I'm going to play this on Wi-Fi and just ruin everything for everybody.
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That's true. Yeah, you'll talk about the speed that...
So if they're going to do that, they've got to make a requirement.
You have to have fiber optic internet. You cannot do this without it.
But, you know, they're not going to do that. They're going to have as many people
as they possibly can to make as much money as they can.
And 2K is, unfortunately, one of the biggest culprits of this particular situation
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because let's go ahead and drop $150 on the collector's edition or whatever it is.
I'll go ahead and I'll give you a year of NBA...
Pass or whatever it is yeah and you're only gonna watch maybe a month
of it a month and then you're
gonna go ahead and spend twenty dollars every so often for the vc for the vc
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yeah and then you'll look at your bank statements like damn i spent six hundred
dollars on vc that quick i did that once i never will do that again i did it
in 2k19 i remember i made like six different characters i'm like man this ain't
good this ain't good this ain't good and i looked at my bank statement i
spent almost three thousand dollars what holy
cow three thousand it was
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like twenty six hundred dollars yeah yeah they're
loving you right now well that was back in 2018 right doesn't
matter they're loving you right yeah i'm the culprit
i'm the bad person that is allowing this
to happen did they send you a thank you letter no they didn't
even they didn't give me any vaseline or already i remember
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2k20 complaining to daryl about it i guess a year later they turned off the
servers in 2k20 yeah so i booted up the game and played my player i said no
not today i was like wait a minute don't tell me they removed me from the server.
But yeah i just like that really i don't like about 2k because i'm like eric
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like you want to just play something and then can't play it.
It's like, wait a minute, hold up. There's something wrong with my game system.
Did I get banned? Yeah. What happened? And that's what it is. Server's down.
You know what? I'm so sick of this. Like, I mean, Call of Duty even has their
old servers up right now. Yeah.
Halo has their old servers up right now.
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That was amazing when they did that. I was like, whoa.
And you're telling me, you're telling me that a sports game can't keep their servers up?
No, because they wanted to push the new game. Yeah, I got to get you to make
money. To keep people from playing the old game. Yeah.
I got a belly full of white dog crap in me. And you lay this shit on me?
Like, come on, man. That's crazy. yeah because if
you stuck with the game that you like you stuck with the 2k that you
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like you're not going to buy the newest version no oh well
i wouldn't say that no because i was i
was done at 20 but then i'm like
eric i was done at 20 but then 23 was like
hey 10 bucks buy the game yeah come
on over the water's fine i was
like damn it and then you like dip your toe in yes it's
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kind of warm all right let me put my waist in you know let me let me wet my
whistle a little bit and then you started playing and you fully were submerged
i was breaststroke i was went in the olympic medal yeah that's right that's
right you better be proud sir be proud of your transgressions,
yeah i pushed it with 21 and 22.
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I didn't like 22 and i was like i'm done i'm not even thinking about getting 23.
Nah i'm good we're all going to be on 25 here yeah
that's true because something thing i'm especially on
the cover oh my god you gotta get
it now jason tatum is on the cover yeah but i guess there's multiple covers
that they're doing oh my god so they're doing i think the collector's edition
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is vince carter on it yes that's your boy too yeah i'm good man i'm tracing
the grady fay so i do miss those tai chis yeah yeah but i'm gonna say this i'm gonna say this.
You got to get two now.
You have to have one sealed and unsealed. I mean, yeah.
One to play and one to just keep up on the things. Nah, I'm good.
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Like Jason Tatum. Man.
You don't like Jason Tatum? That's a hard no for me. Why?
He plays on your team. No, he plays on their team. No, stop it.
Stop it. I mean, he kind of has been missing for a season and a half. He ain't been missing.
He ain't been missing. I think it was just butthurt that, you know,
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Brown had took the, what, the MVP?
Yes. Yeah, he was butthurt. But Brown did show up. Brown did show up.
But I mean, I kind of blame the media on this because everyone's like,
Jason Tatum, yeah, come on. You can't say that.
All they were talking about was Jason Tatum. They never talked about Jalen Brown
whatsoever. Correct. Never.
Never. Never. Although Jalen Brown got drafted first.
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That's right. And the moment that he took the MVP, now we're butthurt. Nah, I'm good.
Because what, Tatum didn't show up until game four? Exactly.
Game five? Yeah. I'm just going to say this. You getting talked about.
Now, mind you, mind you, you hear all these things.
You're going to get a big head. You're going to be like, oh,
yeah, I'm the best player and all the rest of it. You're going to get content.
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You're going to get content. And I think that's what happened with him. He got content.
Jalen Brown said, no, he went screaming by.
No, that's not exactly what happened. His level play rose.
And then i don't know i mean i'm
gonna be real with you i never really thought jason tatum was like super
great right yeah i mean he's good he's good don't
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get me wrong better than me anyway he's a good he's a good shooter i'll give
him that he's a good shooter he is but he dribbles too much for me exactly exactly
exactly i just don't like what he did off the court with the coach that's the
only thing i'm sorry that was allegedly okay well let's go into this real quick
we're talking about How's the bar? Hold on.
Might have to edit this portion. Oh, okay. All right. All right.
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All right. Like, I remember. I don't remember.
What the coach was his name? The one who was married to Nia Long.
He got him fired, man. He got your coach fired. Oh, did he just say,
hey, this is what's going on? Yeah, he was the one. Oh, he was the one.
So, wait. What happened?
He was the one. Oh, wait. What happened? What happened? He got. What's his name?
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Udami or Udami. What's his name? Hold on. Let me look it up here.
Udonis Haslam? No, no, the coach.
Oh, the guy that got into it with, what's his name, LeBron?
Yeah, that one, yeah. He got that one fired. Allegedly, well, it wasn't allegedly.
It came out that he- Let's just say allegedly, just for the record. Yeah, we'll say that.
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He was messing around with the- Some executive. Yeah, the chief financial officer's wife. Wife, yeah.
The ones that cuts the checks, he was messing around. And it was reported that
Jason Tatum wanted to do the same thing.
When he found out he was upset, he said,
I wouldn't do it too, man. What do you mean I can't do it? Wait,
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wait, hold up, hold up, hold up. He was mad. He was mad.
Let me. He was mad. Let me. No, don't edit this.
Because I'm about to go flame right now.
So this man literally was going to commit adultery with a woman and someone
beat him to it first. Yes.
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And he got mad about it? Yes.
Hold up hold up this is like a mixture of unicorn and poseidon put together
right now like this is ridiculous how do you get upset about something like
that listen i don't condone cheating i know i don't do that obviously i don't
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either i don't but to do the way do it like he did that was foul Wow, that was dirty.
I mean, he couldn't have just said, I've been bested? Like, you know, like.
No, that was dirty. Nego would not allow that. Yeah, that was dirty.
Wow. I guess Emi Udoka? Yeah, that's his name. Udoka.
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I mean, look, the only thing I can think of, the only thing I can think of is
this man really was trying to get an extra pay. He was. He was.
He was. And he was upset that he got beaten.
Well, I mean, in that regard, yes. But I'm talking about like if he was trying
to get like like actual more money.
Yes. Okay. All right. Extend Brown's contract. Yes, they did.
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Brown's contract first. Yeah.
We were just mad all around. Yikes. Yeah.
So, I mean, that's why the USA team treated him like the way they treat him.
Like, no, you ain't stitching on me.
Sit there and ride the bench. It's kind of like the D'Angelo, D'Angelo Russell.
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Yo he was he he screamed a douchebaggery to
me like even when he was in college i'm like
yeah something's off with this dude i don't really i don't i don't know
what it is but i don't know i don't like
it and then that came out and i was like yep that's exactly
why it makes sense that's exactly why like oh yeah so you you did what else
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it's like get out of here man get out of here hey yeah i don't like jason tayton
okay it's all right it's gonna be a hard pass for me for was it 2k 25 yeah yeah
that's i'm good it's gonna be no for me dog.
Jason tayton was on nah i'm good so by the time this is out the nba season will
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be i just don't want people thinking that this is a dark skin light skin type
situation oh no no not Not at all. Not at all.
Not at all. You just casual conversation. Yeah, exactly. Just casual.
I just don't like Jason Tatum. I just don't. That's all right.
Well, you've heard it here, folks. Jason Tatum is not a liked man here. No, he's not.
So do you have a favorite player that you do like? I guess, who's your all-time
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favorite? I think my all-time favorite, it was a toss-up. So...
Eric and I, we debated between Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen, right? Mm-hmm.
And I'm a huge Michael Jordan fan, but I believe the GOAT has to be split between
Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan.
Now, I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me, but the timeline
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of everything, Jordan came in at 85, Pippen came in at, what, 87?
I thought it was a little later than that. It could have been.
It could have been. I thought it was early 90s, like 91, 99.
That's when they've got their first championship.
So I had him in the league in 87.
87? Okay. Yeah. And so I was looking at the timeline, and if the first championship
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of the Bulls was in 91, then we would have to split the goat talk between Micah
Jordan and Scottie Pippen.
Because if it wasn't for Scottie Pippen, who knows if Jordan would have got
that first championship.
Oh, we all knew that if it wasn't for Scottie Pippen, he would have never gotten
it. So that's how I feel about it.
So I like those two. And I'm a huge Dwight Howard fan on the court for the record.
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Okay. Anything outside of that, that's his business.
Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. Can I name a favorite?
And Tracy McGrady. Tracy McGrady? Gotta play Tracy McGrady. Yeah.
He's that, that like what?
How many points in like eight seconds?
Nine seconds. Yeah. That was ridiculous.
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Six, nine. It was like 12 points in eight seconds. 12 points.
But the only thing that. Was this one with Toronto or Magic? They were playing.
He was on the Magic. He was on the Magic. Okay. No, no, no. He was on the Rockets.
He was on the Rockets. He was on the Rockets. They played against the Spurs, I believe. I believe.
Yes, it was the Spurs. I think. I'll double check that though.
But anyway, as you were saying.
No, I just think that I wish that he would have got a ring. Just one.
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I really do. Yeah. Because.
Good player just stuck on bad teams. Stuck on bad teams.
I mean my favorite growing up jordan 13
points in 33 seconds like sheesh that's crazy that
is crazy but by the time against the spurs jordan left who'd you go to i really
it was a few players kobe no maybe i really wasn't a kobe fan i wasn't i really
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wasn't really either till i got older i'm like damn this is good like he's literally
a clone of after you know on the back end of his career I was like, okay.
And I started respecting him more. But I was a fan of Kevin Garnett.
Hard pass. Was wrong with KG, man. He helped y'all win a championship.
Helped him get a championship. I'm the Boston fan. I guess you were the Boston fan at that time, yes.
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Who else you got? I'm trying to think of who else around that time. Kevin Garnett.
John Blinker, Vince Carter. AI. Yes, Allen Iverson. AI.
I don't know how you couldn't be a fan of Allen Iverson. Shout out to Allen
Iverson. Yes. Even when he went against.
Jordan. Not Jordan. The crossover. But I'm the Laker machine.
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Yeah. It was the Lakers versus Iverson because I don't think you really had
anybody else on that team. No, I mean, you had Eric Snow.
Yeah. And Eric Hughes. Who? and andre
iguodala okay i mean that's
all that time what was it i think lou
will was there this is when the east was like in their bad years
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yeah they were going down where you had like two teams under 500 making the
playoffs that's correct yeah that's well i mean basketball really wasn't my
thing so i mean i watched it don't get me wrong i don't really have a favorite
player i will i will Well,
I mean, since we're already bringing this up, we've been talking about NB Live and 2K.
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This whole GOAT debate between LeBron and Jordan is ridiculous.
Agreed. It's ridiculous. Daryl and I talk about it all the time.
People are just holding on to something that's never going to be there,
but then yet no one wants to talk about when Jordan was shitty. Right.
That's my point. Yeah, Jordan was shitty. Well, some people do bring it up.
I mean, shitty as far as not being able to, what, get out of the first round?
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That's right. Yeah, get out of the first round.
But they were saying that he was playing with a bunch of, I don't want to say
this and put a negative light, but he was playing with a bunch of drug addicts.
I mean, that's, yeah, they've been able to like that for a while. Yeah.
So. I mean, did you see the Lakers, the Lakers documentary or even the show that came out?
Yeah. So it is. I didn't watch that one. It's actually really good.
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So it is. That's what it is. It's like, you know, he's in the era where,
you know, it's the 80s and cocaine, heroin.
Yeah. It's readily available for anybody.
So he didn't do it, but that's who he played with.
I mean, and who's the, who's to say that's not happening now? It probably does.
Yeah. But the league isn't like it is back then. Cause now, you know, they actually train.
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Well, I guess I hope some of them would train, but yeah. Well,
I mean, the, what is the commissioner just said that they can smoke marijuana.
Right. Which I think is great. Yeah. They can do that. So that just opens the door for anything else.
I mean, they were going to do it anyway. Yeah. Regardless of whether it was legal or not. Yeah.
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They're still going to do it. Yeah. I read a book about one of the infamous
sports trainers that worked with Kobe and D-Wade.
And he was saying that, yo, he can tell when a dude is high.
He can tell. Because the game is off. They're not focused. Stuff like that. So, yeah.
Yeah. But who do y'all think? LeBron or Jordan?
Oh, well, Daryl and I talk about this all the time. It's era.
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I did not say LeBron. He said LeBron. No.
He's not. No. Just, it's a different era of basketball. Okay. All right. Enough.
Enough. I'm so sick of this shit. Yes. Okay.
If you want to do the factors of it being a different era of basketball,
different teammates, different this.
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All right. Let's just get a conglomerate of things. Let's start with Jordan first. All right.
Jordan. Jordan, again, as we mentioned, couldn't make it out of the playoffs
in the late 80s, early 90s, right? That's correct.
Oh, couldn't make it past the first round, right? Correct. Finally got their
first championship, what, 91?
91. 91. Okay. So then that's when he finally had Scottie Pippen and,
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I don't know, Wills in some places. Yeah, he did. He had, what was it, Greg Hodges?
Greg Hodges. This is the coach? No. No, no, no. He did have a squad on him.
Horace Grant. Horace Grant. B.J. Armstrong.
Yeah. B.J. Armstrong. But B.J. Armstrong came later, didn't he?
Yeah, a little bit later. Was it? Okay. But, I mean, he's still a teammate.
Just keep that in mind because he had all of those factors around him.
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Okay. So, nothing like he had in the 80s when he came in.
Right. And then, so, I mean, give him his accolades, you know,
defensive all-time in the league.
Yep. He's got some good accolades. MVP, the 7th third.
But he couldn't do it without a team. Correct. He literally proved that.
That was my point. Mm-hmm. That was my point. All right. So, then...
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He wins all those games, wins all those championships. LeBron.
Now, I didn't respect LeBron after the whole decision thing,
right? Go on, take my town south.
Yeah, well, I mean, here's the thing. Like, how are you going to anticipate
to have me, like, sit here, watch this thing for three, four fucking hours for
you to be like, oh, I'm just going to Miami? You could have just said it and called it a day.
Clicks, man. Get people watching TV. Right. Download.
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Web traffic. He did the same thing for Los Angeles. He kept people waiting.
And I was in Phoenix at the time, and my cousin's husband was like,
yo, he's going to Los Angeles. I'm like, nah, he's going to stay in Cleveland.
And he was right. He went to. I mean, he won a championship in Cleveland.
He had nothing else to do there. Yeah, he had nothing else.
But here's the thing. You go to the finals 10 years in a row.
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It's the East now. It's the East. Yeah. I mean, the East, I mean,
yeah, the East was whack. I'll tell you that. The East was whack.
The East was whack. But you still got to beat those teams. True.
You still got to beat them. And you play them multiple times.
It's hard to beat a team twice.
That's true. So you got that. You literally maybe have one superstar.
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Well, besides Miami, he had Wade and Bosh. Right. And Haslam.
Yeah. And word had it that the four of them were supposed to go to New York.
New York fucked that up. Yeah. New York fucked up. My Knicks fuck up every fucking thing.
Were they still paying Allen Houston? oh my god they're
still paying alan are you serious i think so
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just like like just like bobby bonilla is always getting paid wait
man wait wait houston retired when
back in like mid 90s and
late 90s yes nice it's nice
keep paying me bobby bonilla's doing it did the same thing
with who the padres not the padres mets was it
mets the mets yeah you know you know bobby benny
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is right yes yeah i want to my man is
being new york no well they so they
couldn't pay his contract oh when
they let him go so they were like oh okay well we'll
pay you in in these increments all that interest was getting
built up so now they pay him they're literally
paying him for a lifetime literally yes nice july
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1st every july 1st is bobby benny a day it gets what like a million dollars
something like that 1.2 million yeah geez until 2035 2035 yeah 2035 so he's
got 11 more years of this yeah i hope he's not blowing his money but i wouldn't blow it neither so.
They've been paying him since 2000 my god so yeah we're still probably playing
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alan houston And we, man, we had Mello there.
There were some good people there. And LeBron, Wade and Bosh and Udonis were
supposed to go to New York.
New York offered somebody, I think it was, I can't remember who it was.
They offered somebody money and that screwed up everything.
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But anyway, that's a side note. Okay, so his super team basically was Miami, right?
Yes. Went to the finals a couple times with them, won a couple.
Yeah, he won two. And then he won two in Cleveland, right? One in Cleveland,
just one. One? Yeah, one in Cleveland. And then one in Lakers.
One in the Lakers. So you go to the finals nine times, literally have two championships
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with a legit team, and then two others with no team whatsoever. It was literally him.
I mean, Miami Beach is a district. Mo Cheeks, Mo Cheeks, Kyrie Irving,
Miami Beach. They won two championships.
It's a distraction, bro. They won two championships.
They could have won a third. I got to go, bro.
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And then you come back to Cleveland to nobody. You're right.
That's where I get to be. Nobody.
I don't know. And then you win a championship.
My boys, Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith, they deserve that because they should
have got that in New York when Mello was there.
They should have got that. I'm upset just talking about this. But anyway.
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Amelo was never that person that wanted a ring. He wanted stats.
No. Yes. You think so? Yes.
That boy can shoot out the gym, but never wanted a ring. But he was the one
that had to pay the piper every time they lost. I know.
I know. You get mad if you didn't get 30. That's true.
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He didn't get 30. It was a bad game. They won. won all i'm saying is this he
built the team just like oh not even and not even a good team not even good
teams just like jordan did with his team and luckily the glue stuck.
Lebron had some teams where the glue just wasn't sticking like how do you get d rose d wade,
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like isaiah thomas how do you get some of these dudes on your team and this
is not it i don't know i don't know the chemistry right there yeah it's the
chemistry but he had to go He hoped for so many different things to get to a
final anyway in the 10 years he did. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Like that's that is that is unbelievable that
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is unheard of he didn't have the same team
for six different fucking championships and let me know if i'm wrong let me
know if i'm wrong i mean the bulls reshuffled changed things around every two
years they changed they didn't lose much though they still had scotty and they
still had jordan right the core yes that was their bread than butter.
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That's how they built the team around. They didn't care about anybody else.
And then when they had Dennis, it was over with.
Yeah, that was a wrap. Their rebounder. Yeah, when they picked up Dennis Rodman,
it was a wrap. It was over. It was just streetball to them then.
And still, I think the body of work with LeBron, let's be real,
it's insane what he's doing right now.
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It's insane at 40, going to be 40 here soon, that he's going to be playing another season.
Yeah, I mean, you can't take away anything LeBron is doing.
And quite honestly, we can't compare rings to rings. You can't. You cannot.
You can't do it. And the way that I look at it, LeBron has really changed the
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game versus Steph Curry, Stephen Curry, however you want to say it.
LeBron has changed the game. Yeah.
The only difference between the two, and I believe I'm wrong,
Jordan played all the positions, even as a center.
I don't know if LeBron did that. He did. He scored 10,000 points in each position.
In each position. Okay. So then we still, I see where the debate is.
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So I don't know. I don't know.
I root for Scottie Pippen myself.
I mean, Scottie's that man, though. He is. You got to give him his props, man.
He's going through some stuff. that's for sure a lot
them the locks look very sad very
sad you just got this man with the big ass nose just yeah my god yeah at least
(56:44):
we know what he took you took my wife from me so oh gosh that was dirty yeah
it was that in full circle right full circle yeah the man that he was talking
about after the the dance came out that's why
he got mad well yeah but then look but
then look who's with his wife yeah that's why he was mad
oh i thought they broke up well they did but i mean they're back together oh
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they're back together i don't feel i don't just think it's just pr stuff this
is you know cools down for a little bit yeah well look at look at us gossiping
right it's beautiful it's a beautiful thing well that's all i have for basketball games.
That's a laugh for basketball info yeah that's all we have I mean we
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went hard in the paint there sure did and Jason
Tatum yeah you're not liked here not like us not like us no Aaron loves Jason
Tatum number one fan thank you guys for listening to another great episode like, comment, subscribe,
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toodles bye We out.
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