August 20, 2024 • 60 mins
In this episode, we dive into the legendary Metal Gear Solid series, exploring its rich history, memorable characters, and innovative gameplay mechanics. From the early days of Solid Snake's adventures to the complex narratives of later entries, join us as we reminisce about the impact and legacy of this iconic franchise.
We kick things off with a look back at the original Metal Gear Solid, discussing its revolutionary gameplay and unforgettable moments. Hear our thoughts on the characters, storyline, and the game's lasting influence on the industry.
Next, we delve into the controversial Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty. We share our opinions on the infamous character switch to Raiden and how it affected our perception of the game. Despite mixed feelings, we acknowledge its contributions to the series' evolution.
Moving on, we celebrate the masterpiece that is Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. Discover why this prequel is often hailed as the best in the series, with its deep story, engaging mechanics, and unforgettable boss battles.
We also touch upon Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, reflecting on its cinematic approach and the mixed reception it received. Despite its flaws, we appreciate its role in concluding Solid Snake's story.
Finally, we discuss the more recent entries like Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain. We share our experiences with the open-world gameplay, the introduction of new characters, and the impact of Hideo Kojima's departure from Konami.
Join us as we relive the highs and lows of the Metal Gear Solid series, celebrating its contributions to the gaming world and speculating on its future. Whether you're a longtime fan or new to the series, this episode offers a comprehensive look at one of gaming's most beloved franchises.
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Prince is a meanie. All right. Hey, there we go. Start off with that. Prince is a meanie.
Make sure I get closer to the mic this time. I think the other time I was far
away. No, you were fine. Just when I was listening to it, I was like so far away.
Then eventually I got closer to the mic. Then you could hear me. Okay, fair.
(00:23):
Told Dan he was a major intricate role in the pod in the last episode.
So, he's like, eh, what do y'all talk about?
It was you, Carapace. He doesn't know about that. He doesn't know about that. I didn't say anything.
When I was getting through. That was one of the parts I got to.
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Carapace. Laughing all over again. I was in tears.
All right. All right. All right, so today's episode, we're going to talk about
the Metal Gear Solid series. Impressive snake.
I don't know if you played all the games, but I haven't. But what was your first
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introduction into the Metal Gear series? Oh, story time. Here we go.
Here we go. You and your meaniness.
Eric's a meanie. He's a meanie. So...
If you remember correctly, well, I remember this vividly. It'd be,
I'd be sitting in your room.
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I drink water. Excuse me. I'd be sitting in your room. I remember that commercial came on.
Same way you did me with Gran Turismo. Same way you did me. Did me dirty.
And I said, yes. Yes. For Metal Gear? Yes.
Oh my God. You were the one that said, hey, you like these obscure games. You're crazy.
You're terrible. so i remember i
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remember it didn't come out yet but
it was you know previewed and i remember coming
i don't know if i came home from school or i was coming
home from being outside something like that and come
walking in your room you know the keep keep out
room and then here you are playing
teenager at this time right right right i understand that
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i understand that we hey you know we evolve and
we become better people afterwards i mean you were you were a good boy
then too but but yeah you were
here playing middle gear solid i remember the part you were at
you were you were right outside after the elevator so you just started the game
right and you were out in the snow field with the with the big open area with
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the chopper camo yeah that was my first experience my first experience was not
playing it but watching you play it i thought you knew.
That kid so my first experience what kid we'll
get to it okay so my first
experience being introduced into the metal gear series
yeah i'm listening was by the book that came
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out in like 1990 i didn't realize i had this book but i do remember going to
the scholastic book fair picking the book up and then one day being like really
they are related because remember metal Metal Gear came out on the NES and also,
I guess, M2X2 computer platform back in like the late 80s.
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Then Snake's Revenge came out in 1990.
And then Metal Gear 2. Saddle Slate came out in 1990. Yeah.
So caveat, I think Snake's Revenge is actually a spinoff. Oh, really? Okay.
Interesting. Go back and look that one up. But playing what PlayStation, but you're solid.
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I remember there was a kid that lived in the apartment complex in Courtyard. Oh, which one was this?
I want to say, I don't know as well. I remember his name. Was it Ian?
No. No, it wasn't Ian. The man I murdered.
I think it was Amir. and remember this
is what late 90s and this is when you could
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sign up for a pc gamer magazine on the playstation
and they sent out demos and he finally let me borrow the demo i swear to god
played that first stage like 500 times well that wasn't i remember i remember
you had rented it from blockbuster yeah we're that old we are that old i probably
did like that game was awesome Because,
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yeah, I remember renting it multiple times. Mm-hmm.
And that's not beating it yet, but yeah. And then, I don't know, something happened.
I think I purchased the game, and then I wanted Chris to play it,
and he came over to Barclay, but he couldn't find it.
This is when Ree took it to his friend's house. Oh.
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And it was gone for God knows how long. Did you ever get it back? Yeah, eventually.
All scratched up. It just appeared out of nowhere.
So, this is related and unrelated now that we're on this subject. So...
Our lovely younger brother, he was the barter kid of our generation.
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It couldn't have been his thing, or it could be his thing, whatever it may be.
This man was trading for something.
He was trading for something. I had purchased a Metal Gear, not Metal Gear,
we're just talking about Metal Gear, but Marvel vs. Capcom 2 PS2 copy.
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You know how much that thing goes for now? How much? 300 plus
oh my gosh what's up with capcom stuff what do you mean like why is everything
so expensive well if you didn't get the dreamcast so if you got the xbox original
or the ps2 version they didn't come out with very many of them so that's why
they're so expensive the dreamcast or,
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was it not maim but naomi like any type of naomi system like a cabin or something
like that plethora of them you can get them cheap right but yeah this man this
man traded traded with Jimmy actually,
whatever game it was I don't know what it was because I didn't see the game
right you just say oh and you know and I was like Jimmy can I get that back
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he's like nope it's mine now finders keepers,
wow so I mean at least it's still in the family right but it's still aggravating
oh my gosh it's aggravating but yeah but anyway back to where we're talking so,
So I didn't play the NES versions of Metal Gear.
The first one, obviously, like we just said, Metal Gear Solid back in 98 came
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out for the PlayStation.
Just hours upon hours. And I think it was 98, so they didn't really do...
They had cut scenes, but they weren't really fully animated cut scenes.
But this was at the start of that. yeah they
had a lot of a lot of in-game like dialogue and cut
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scenes exposition yeah and then they had a few here
and there where they're showing like something different like oh here's the metal gear
ma i know they had that but that
was yeah that definitely was the start of it for video game metal gear
solid i mean the metal gear series actually was just revolutionary at that time
it just revolutionized everything and then everybody else started doing it i
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think the only thing comparable was siphon filter did you play that very little
same here i stayed away i was metal gear fanboy forever.
The characters are Solid Snake, Roy Campbell, Merrill, one of Liquid Snake. Merrill.
And Metal Gear Solid has the famous Shadow Moses incident.
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But yeah, that game was fun, searching for things. Did we beat it?
I think you did. You beat it first, because then we were on top of Metal Gear at the end.
Were we facing Liquid? I get them all mixed up. Yeah, Liquid. Liquid.
Liquid. quite i remember i think you woke me up or i came home and you were at the last boss,
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and you're like i beat it yeah you saved it like right before that yeah so you can experience,
see i was a good brother come on now but the countless hours of it was just
fun i guess what'd you like dislike would change i know it's been a while just
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metal gear solid Solid in general?
No, it hasn't been a while. Because I have the Metal Gear Solid 5 Volume 1 collection. Oh, okay.
Metal Gear Solid Volume 1 collection. Waiting for two.
You know, there's really not much I would take away from it.
Well, besides the tanky movement. Mm-hmm.
But then, you know, looking and moving at the same time wasn't a thing. Right.
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I mean, you got used to it. And it was very robust.
It was very quick. So, I mean, I guess if you could take anything away,
it would be that. But at the same time, then you would have to change the camera angle.
Then it'd be a totally different game at that point. That's true.
It would be all the action-adventure games there are now.
So, I mean, no, I'd keep it. I'd keep it. I don't know. I was playing recently.
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I got the collection just like you.
And the whole top-down of the first-person view, I was like,
oh, wow, I forgot about this.
But the lovely, what is it? L1, L2, switching through all your gear that you have.
Yeah, I mean. It was cool at the time. Mm-hmm.
It was cool at the time. Now it's just more of an inconvenience.
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Right. It's like, games don't do this anymore, man. Get it together.
Let's see. I was trying to remember the levels in there. I mean, they were.
If I remember correctly, you had, you know, when you submerged from, or submerged.
When you're coming out of the water at the beginning. Emerge. Emerge. From the water.
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Because you had that little area. that's the only time you're in that area right
uh so you have the elevators yeah right you had the elevator and then you had
that little area with the helicopters hind d a hind d so many great,
what is it audio if audio
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means if they were a thing
then middle of your side would be all over the place yes so
you had that and then you have the weapon was
it the weapons facility right yes i think
this is the shadow moses incident yeah and so you you you
were in there for a little while i think for forever
well i guess the entire game well you're in the facility but i'm talking about
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where that those two tanks are yeah yeah so you had you had the two tanks and
you're you're in there for quite quite some time right there's things you got
to collect and all the rest of good stuff and then after that once you get all
that together then you're out in the field with.
Vulcan now i learned a trick actually you don't really need
the night vision goggles to see where those with those little thingies are
those yeah you can literally see them on the screen you can see the pixels moving
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you can see it so i'm just like i have to double check when i go back through
i was like oh i don't i don't have to get this so i just go okay just just walk
right through it But, yeah,
you can literally, like, look at them go up and down. Okay.
Yeah, it's, you don't, it skips a step.
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But, I mean, if you're a completionist. Mm-hmm. And those out there that are a completionist.
Yeah, you would have to go and get that.
Let's see. Who came out there Vulcan? Is that when you, then you go up and you encounter Gray Fox?
Nope. Nope. Ladies and gentlemen, our special guest, Chewie and Obi,
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if you're. If not, we'll just have to let it out.
What's after Vulcan? Because this is the first Vulcan fight, because you do the tank.
That's right, yes. He's like, oh yes, when I walk, I walk alone.
And when I eat, I eat alone.
I am a warrior. And all the rest of that good stuff. He doesn't actually say that, but...
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It's i don't know he kind of has this like
i don't know how to say it oh we
completely forgot about revolver ocelot oh and
the first one yeah oh oh everyone's gonna be like this whole time these last
10 minutes or so we're talking about this they forgot about ocelot what is this
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these aren't true fans these are just guys doing a podcast because they're bored there's probably
half the reason but you know but
yeah that was actually that was actually a really intriguing fight yes i like
that i don't know maybe i stayed away i guess the aiming kind of was weird i'm
used to aiming and seeing what i'm shooting in instead of the game well most
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games aim for you but i know it's terrible i was like hold on wait a minute what am i shooting,
oh there's been there were a couple incidents i remember you shot the darpa chief.
Square in his face yeah i remember that i
remember you came around the corner you were coming
so you were the top right hold on the darpa chief is in
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a cell though no not the darpa chief the darpa chief well i
mean it was like the way we were hunting them down no no well darpa chief was
already dead i mean if we're gonna do spoilers we're already do it now yeah
i mean darpa chief played this game now yeah you're uh what's what's his name
decoy octopus isn't his name decoy The boy octopus actually was the DARPA chief in the cell.
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Okay, that's right. Because you find the DARPA chief later when you get captured.
Oh, that's right, afterwards. Yeah. Yes, you're right.
Yeah, so, well, again, we don't find him alive. He's dead.
He is dead dead. He'd been sitting there for a couple of days.
Maggots and everything but yeah i
remember you were in the top right of the corner because you know it was a big square top
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right and i don't know how the hell you hit this shot but
you did you were like oh there he is right in
his head at the end of the mission just sometimes
you just want to make a game fun you're like let's just shoot this character yeah well
i mean especially when you don't mean to do it that there's
been many times where i know i played i'd run into to
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the string and blow up everything like it's
so far in i don't know how i would do it but you
know you try to cut the corner so you can like get to them faster yes
nope don't do that if you decide to go back to it don't do it just just take
the corner wide and just just shoot yeah that's it so we have revolver ocelot
let's see the m1 tank that's where the first vulcan fight i think it's So Sniper Wolf after that.
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Ninja. We faced the Ninja. Oh, Gray Fox. Yes, Gray Fox. Gray Fox.
And then Psycho Mantis.
So I'm in a few Facebook groups and everyone was like, how do you switch your controller?
Oh, really? Yeah. Remember? Because when you're fighting him,
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you have to switch to a port.
That was interesting. Oh, yeah. Or, oh, I know it's on your memory card.
Like no how do you know yeah right what
what is this it's crazy really i
don't say trippy stuff but i guess at
that time it was tripping yeah it was trippy at that time medicare solid 2 did
the same thing oh gosh medicare solid 2 you know a lot of people get that one
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not some i mean they give it a lot of flack look at okay sorry sorry i'll start
crying by the way so after psych Psycho Mantis, we got Sniper Wolf.
Yeah, yeah. That one was a fun fight. It was. It was a good one.
That's the first Sniper Wolf fight?
Mm-hmm. Okay. Then you have the Hind D.
The Hind D. I'm going to say that most. I think you have to use the Stinger to take this one out.
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Yes. Okay. Yes. Then you get another Sniper Wolf fight out in the field. Then Vulcan Raven.
I know Vulcan Raven had been before. No, because there's two of them.
There's two fights. It was in the tank. Oh, that's right. The tank.
Sorry, I keep forgetting about the tank portion.
And then after Vulcan Raven, you have MG Rex.
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Yep. I don't know. Excuse me. Did we have to use a stinger for that one, too? Yes.
Yes. And then Nikita was highly underused in that game, for sure. Yes.
And then, of course, after that, you have lovely Liquid. Liquid. Liquid.
It's a brief rundown of Metal Gear. Just, I don't know. It's a great game.
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Still holds up to this day, to me, anyway.
Solid game, like, literally. Literally, figuratively, and emotionally.
It was a very solid game. Just don't know where you can go wrong.
Not with that one. Just, Hideo, man, if I ever meet you in real life,
I just want to give you a big hug for just creating so many childhood memories for a lot of people.
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Especially with that one. oh yeah i forgot to mention the
whole thing game being created by hideo kojima kojima
yes hideo kojima then the
publisher was konami and yeah well
i guess we'll get there towards the end i didn't
really keep up with their disagreement or
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whatever it was but neither did i
but i i have my speculations i have my
speculations we need more yeah we
do we need the metal gear yeah we'll talk
about it when we get there i got so much to talk
about when it comes to the later ones all right so metal gear 2 riding riding
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oh can't forget well after metal gear they released vr missions which which
we had a great time with too i remember you down you're not downloading but
you remember you getting from blockbuster too impressive snake that's where i got that from.
Yeah vr missions were cool i don't know
if it went i remember being like some vr thing and just taking out whatever
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enemies whatever yeah targets or sneak to a point or don't be captured more
of our beginning of well i'm sure money grabs are always a thing but i don't
this This was just different. Yeah.
All right. So now we're in 2001. Oh, let me go back. Sorry.
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Metal Gear Solid took place in 1995, but was released in 98.
Metal Gear 2 takes place in 2007 and 2009.
Game was released in 2001. And in this game, we are introduced to Raiden.
Raiden. I am it. Raiden. This isn't Mortal Kombat.
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I don't like this game why tell me why you don't like this game so let's see
the beginning had the whole cut scene i think this is when they start introducing the,
animated cut scenes no game engine animated yeah yeah yeah yeah so i'm all like
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all right another metal gear going through playing with snake what do they call
it big shell Yeah, big shell.
Struts A and B, C and D. There were a few missions that were annoying.
That's games. Whatever. Yeah. Remember I mentioned the last or the previous
show, character switching.
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I wasn't ready for this. Because I was like, who is this character and why are we switching?
I should do a little bit more homework, but I think they did it just to switch things up at the time.
But I was like, no, I don't want to play this character. I don't like anything about him.
But you're a coy splisskin.
But I was like, whatever. Push through. No.
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Complete the game what are your thoughts on metagir salad
2 as far as you know
it's a hot take it's a hot take i thought it was a pretty good game i thought
it was a pretty good game i think a lot of people give it a lot of flack as
i was trying to say before and you and you nicely stopped me because you know
i go off on tangents oh thank you brother thank you but yeah i i think,
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that game specifically so i don't really mind character switching as long as
you know So we're not losing the integrity of the game or the story.
That game specifically was, I thought it was pretty good.
There's like things you can do. Like one random thing you can do is like get your grip strength up.
Because you know how like if you like hang on the edges and if you hold L2 and
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R2, he does pull-ups. Yeah.
Well, then you can hang forever at that point. I think if you do that,
you get like an infinite hang. That's right.
That's where they introduced that, yeah. Yeah, they introduced like all kinds
of weird gadgets and things. But no, it wasn't bad.
You know, you still had Colonel.
Colonel Campbell. You had, I almost said Raiden.
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Raiden. You had Raiden's wife or fiance at the time. I think fiance at the time, Rose.
And there was a few, were there a few other people? Let's see. Oh, Mei Ling. Mei Ling.
Mei Ling was there. She was there, the first one also. so revolver otacon
or otacon ocelot no
otacon's in it too okay that's where i got it okay
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uh let's see then we have tanker
incident shell incident metal gear ray the patriots vamp fortune fat man and
solidus snake i know i don't remember much of two honestly well two was a pretty
interesting one because there was a lot of a lot of like random,
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random like love interests and that when everything hey we need a love interest
in this no there's a couple so you had obviously rose and and jack right and
i put that in their quotes because i don't know why they call him jack but oh
i think it was the height of identity or whatever,
so jack wasn't his actual name i don't know i have to go back and look oh okay
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well that this is lady down the line too okay something all right something
is clicking for me now I was looking,
and I was like, they hid his name before they were like, oh,
no, this is who he really is.
Yeah, but how was it? How was I at? So, yeah, you had.
The love triangle. No, it wasn't a love triangle, but it was just a random love interest.
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And, I mean, you love who you love, whoever, but on the tanker,
do you remember that scene where you had, it wasn't a scene,
it was an area you had to go into.
That one area where you had all the soldiers looking at the
monitors it was like getting at the game yeah and
the tanker so the guy who
was speaking i don't know who he was i think he was a general or something like
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that so him and vamp had a thing i didn't know that until years later yeah and
i i don't know did they say that in the thing they say that somewhere i don't
remember I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, that's a thing.
So they had something going on, but then he eventually was killed because the tanker went down.
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And then didn't Otacon have some weird thing with his sister or something like that? I don't know.
I blocked it out. Yeah, I think I blocked that out too, but I might be wrong.
I might be wrong. So, I mean, there's some, I don't know, they added some weird
things, which, weird is okay.
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I'm okay with weird. Just don't too weird me out, you know what I mean?
Yeah, just like you would think things like that wouldn't be part of a video game.
Well, not even so much a video game, just like the situation at hand, right?
Like a lot of warfare, a lot of stuff.
But I mean, if you want to develop characters and stuff like that,
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you would need to have something in the mix. So, I mean, I guess I wouldn't
say I wouldn't have said to take that out.
It just threw me off guard. I'm a teenage kid. I'm trying to figure stuff out myself.
You know, so you get all these things. It's kind of went over your head.
Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, oh, I don't know. They added things like that.
You know, I didn't like the fetch quest so much of the game.
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You know, just like, oh, you got to get to strut A, and now you got to go to
strut B. Yeah, that was annoying.
Yeah, and then, oh, wait, nope,
the bridge is out, so you got to jump over the roof and get to strut F.
That's like, man, come on.
I understand, you got to lengthen it. It derailed, I guess, the story that they had going on.
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Yeah, a bit. And I think, I don't know,
people's always in video games, but trying to
like you said lengthen the game way for whatever
reason it's not like we had DLC in least
not for Metal Gear not yet no no I don't think DLC was out at that time it what
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it what they did was they just re-released the game and just named a different
answer yeah like oh man did they do that yes they They re-released it,
what was it called, Twin Peaks? Twin Snakes.
Twin Snakes. That was for GameCube, and that was the first Metal Gear Solid.
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And that came out in 2004. No, I
don't think, yeah, I don't think they did anything for Metal Gear Solid 2.
But Metal Gear Solid 3 they did, but we won't get that far yet, we're still on 2.
My memory was that with Metal Gear Solid 2, it was me and Steve played it a lot.
And so we would play hours upon hours of that game.
My favorite fight was fat man okay i'm
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gonna be late to the party i can't i can't wear this to the
party you know fat man was cool because like
you had to travel around to find the bombs right
i remember that yeah and i don't remember much of
this game but i do remember having to go find the bombs and disarm them yeah
and who knew a fat man on skates can move pretty quick that was one of the boss
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fights that was more significant to me than anything like all the other boss
fights i Because it wasn't your standard go to area and shoot the bullet sponge.
Because that's when you kind of had to work.
A few of the bosses are Olga Glukovich. Glukovich. Glukovich.
Let's see. Her dad played a real big role in, I believe, this one as well as
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three, but I'm not sure. I don't remember.
That's always fun, trying to rehash and remember all of these. Mm-hmm.
But it was memorable. Then we have the fortune.
Fortune. Fortune. Yeah. So you know what her... Fortune, fortune.
You remember why she was called Fortune, right? No, I don't.
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It was because she couldn't get hit by bullets.
Really? Mm-hmm. You want to know why she couldn't get hit by bullets?
Why? There was a chip on her neck or something like that. There was a chip on her.
Okay. That gave a field to where it would detect metal from a bullet or something
like that. It would just...
It was like the... Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of like an Israeli missile defense
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system, just about, but just in a smaller casing.
Yes. It's starting to come back to me now. Yeah, so that's why she was called
Fortune, because they were like, oh, they can't kill her. I'm like, no.
She's just got technology that works really well. And then after her, then we have the fat man.
Then we have the Harrier. The Harrier, yeah, I remember that.
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And then we take on Vamp twice.
The second one was so annoying. The second part was so annoying.
If I remember correctly, it was inside the building.
The first one was outside. Nope. The first one was outside when Otacon's sister
was trying to travel across the little bridge and get a deal with,
man, I mean, that gave me nightmares.
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I might have to do a deep dive in the bus.
That might be an interesting one. Ooh, okay. We can do that.
And then after Vamp twice, we have Metal Gear Rays.
Yeah, the multiple Metal Gear Rays. And then, of course, the final boss.
Which one was it? Solid?
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Solidus. Solidus, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Solidus, yeah.
He has a hand in quite a bit of that, actually.
As far as the tanker or the incident
well i think he goes back to metal gear
solid 3 if i'm not mistaken and then
yes put in the comment section if i'm wrong because if you do great i'm good
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i'm glad i'm glad it being corrected or critiqued however you come at me wrong
and coming at your neck so that's metal gear solid 2 not favorite game in my book but But I guess,
and then we mentioned Twin Snakes came out in GameCube in 2004.
Now here's a game I have not played yet. Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater, released in 2004.
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Wait, did you say you have not played it yet? Yep, I haven't played it yet.
Get off this podcast right now and let's go play it. But this takes place in 1964.
This is where we had Naked Snake, Zero, Eva, the boss.
So I haven't played it, but what are your thoughts or memories regarding Best
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Metal Gear Solid ever? Best one. Best ever.
Like coming, man, there's so many different things you could do in that game
from changing camos to the environment, to the interactions with characters,
the development on the characters, development in the story.
If there was no Metal Gear Solid 3, this wouldn't be a thing.
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I'm serious. I'm dead ass.
Metal Gear Solid 3 set the basis for every Metal Gear Solid to come out.
Great music, great soundtrack, great level design, just everything.
The boss fights were good. There are boss fights that actually last seven in-game days.
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Is that the one with the end? The end, yeah. Okay.
I've heard things about that one. Yeah, there's, I mean, you can do things with
a death pill, I think is, not the fear.
Oh, what's his name?
So we have ocelot the fear the end
the fury the sorrow the sorrow
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okay you gotta use a death pill for that i believe
if i'm not if i if memory serves you have to use a death pill
in order to get out of that that's very different yeah
like they really thought how to
switch up the bosses yeah kojima you know
what i i wish i could just take
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this man out to a five course meal and pay everything
right and say arigato gozaimasu just
just thank you thank you for this masterpiece this
game from start to end has been i
don't i i have no words of how good this game is just that good it's it's that
good it's that good you can you can they added uh stamina to this just like
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kind of the middle gets siloed for they had the psych meter but it's stamina
so So you can be affected by the environment.
You can have injuries that you have to heal yourself.
Like you have to use sutures and stuff like that.
It was super in-depth. You got to see Ocelot when he was young.
You got to see Colonel Vulcan, I think his name is.
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And then the relationship with Boss. Not Big Boss, but Boss and Jack or John. Did it go by John?
It went by John. I think very basic name, but I think he went by John, but naked snake.
And you do know that, and if you don't, maybe I'm learning you something,
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but you do know that Snake, Naked Snake, is not the same snake in Metal Gear Solid.
I probably read it somewhere, but probably didn't connect the two dots.
So, Metal Gear Solid Snake is a clone of Big Boss.
Basically, artificially inseminated. Right.
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So, I guess clone. I'll put that in quotation marks. I did learn that.
I wonder if they mentioned it in 5. But yeah, now it's starting to click.
I think they did. I haven't beaten 5 yet, but I love 5 too.
I love it. I haven't finished it fully, but right now I'm enjoying it. But yeah.
And it also introduced CQC as well. So I know you could do a little CQC in the
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first and the second one, just a punch-punch-kick type thing.
But then now you got grabs and you got holds and stuff like that. Okay.
You can do interrogations, not to the point where Metal Gear Solid 5 had it
or Metal Gear Solid 4, but you can do like small interrogations.
There have been some ones that were really funny.
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This is on a PS2, guys. Yes, PS2. So you had, it was feature rich.
So you had one where like me and Steve would actually go around and just like
grab people and see what they say, right? See if there's like any different dialogue.
So it was right before we fought Colonel Vulcan.
And so we went and got one of the guys before you got there.
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And, you know, you put your knife up to him. You say, speak.
He goes, water, water, water.
I'm like, what?
What we're over here dying we killed him right he killed him because water that
doesn't help but colonel vulcan was electricity oh water okay we should have
never killed him we should just knocked him out and called it a day he helped
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us and well i guess we're dicks for that but,
but yeah they would say just random shit and then you let him go and then you
grab him again they'll say something different it'll eventually repeat after
a while right but yeah oh man just
the premise of that game the story behind it it was so so rich and so wide and
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then it just came to a head at the end it's like wow that's that's crazy how
kojima just put all that together,
i'm gonna go back and play that one oh please do please do i mean you know what
if if anything i'd like for you to play it after we get done with this because
it's a very great game so for this This one you take on Ocelot, the pain,
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the fear, the end, the fury, the sorrow.
Then I guess there's two Volgan matches or Volgan fights.
Then what is this? The Shagohod? The Shagohod, yeah. And then the final boss fight.
So the Shagohod was the first prototype for Metal Gear. Really? Okay.
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Yes, it was. Because it was the first, it was the first thing that could shoot
nukes from a rail, from a missile rail or whatever they said it was. Yeah.
Let's see who we're taking on. But yeah, I liked how, well, nope,
you haven't played it, so I'm not going to really say too much about it.
Oh, it's fine. I think I've seen all the cut scenes.
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Okay. Because sometimes I'll just put the cut scenes on and background noise.
Well, I like how they did. I mean, I don't like what America did in the game,
not in real life, you know?
Like, we're not going to get into that subject. We are not.
But yeah, for another day, for
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another day, but how they used boss to be a scapegoat for the situation,
because if they didn't use her as a scapegoat, they wouldn't have been able
to infiltrate with snake, with naked snake.
So then they went in there and basically, you know, going to return to philosophers.
What did I say? the philosopher's stone like like we're talking about no not
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metal gear but uh full metal alchemist the philosopher's legacy that's what
it is yeah it's a little little disc a little disc that we
just need a floppy disc that's all you know and yeah if she wasn't there if
if she didn't defect and i put that in air quotes because i mean they made her
do it right you know they They wouldn't have been able to infiltrate with Naked
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Snake to go ahead and, you know,
retrieve that disc and,
you know, find out a bunch of other things.
And he was another one, too. Where are we at on time? Oh, we're good. Okay.
The other thing was that I believe Big Boss, and now don't quote me on this.
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Who was it? The Sorrow and Big Boss are actually parents of Ocelot. Wow. Okay.
I'm sure at one point I looked at a family tree like years ago,
but something to go back to and look. I think so.
Don't quote me on it. Again, put it in the comment section if you think I'm
right. If I'm wrong, that's fine. Go ahead and correct me. I'm good with that.
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But if you come at me wrong, come at your neck once again.
You don't want me doing that. So, yeah, I'll have to check out three.
Please do. Seems promising. It's very promising. It's very promising. The shaggle hot.
It's very promising. So after three 2006 Metagrassala Portable Ops releases
took place in 1970, I didn't play any of the PSP games.
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Neither did I, but apparently the Portable Ops was also a spinoff and going
into Peace Walker afterwards was actually part of the main story.
Okay. That's right. Okay. Okay.
Metal Gear was kind of, I don't know, kind of fell off for me. Yeah.
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For a little while. Because then Metal Gear 4 comes out. Guns of the Patriots
released in 2008. The setting is 2014.
War has changed. Yes. So now we are on the PS3.
And for me, I don't believe I played it since 2008. I probably played it a couple years later.
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Just, I don't know. I was like, oh, Metal Gear 4. Yay.
What do we have going on here um kind of not that memorable oh i hated it um the only,
is it vamp no vamp what
no who was that oh you know who we forgot
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that was very integral in the first one who's that naomi oh yeah she's part
of the whole because she was the ringleader to a lot of this stuff that's right
and she was the ringleader in this one uh but you that's who injected the fox
dye in us yeah okay so you have naomi.
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Are you sure who do we have that was a vampire
character did vamp oh vamp did
come back that was like oh this fight's annoying yeah he did come back because
he fought riding because riding came back too yeah vamp did vamp did he was
stomping us out too for a little bit he was stomping us out I'll say maybe this one was a little,
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I don't see well I guess it was difficult I remember a couple times having to
go back this was the first time I was a little disappointed in Kojima,
well you couldn't even play the game it's like playing the new god of war that
just came out recently Ragnarok you literally get two steps in,
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cutscene for another three hours okay so this
is when they really ramped up their cut scenes oh my god there's
like that's right there's because they made you download
the game first when you first booted up yeah oh yeah
let's take five hours to download was it
uh i mean let me look it up and make sure let me fact check because i
don't want anyone in the comments trying to kill me but hold
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on look at that it pops up it's the first thing that pops up too because we're
on the it's no longer top down 11 11 hours of gameplay and nine hours of cut scene. Wow. Wow.
The nine hours of the cut scenes made it seem longer than the gameplay.
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Right. Because it's like as soon as you finish the section, boom,
we're in a cut scene. It's like, oh my gosh.
Yeah. Let me play the game. Yeah. Okay. That's one of the reasons why I don't like the game.
I do like the weapons that are in there, the weapon system, you know,
the Drebben points. Drebben points, you know, those are good stuff to unlock weapons and stuff.
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That was a nice little change just because of the nanomachines and stuff like
that. that they advanced that.
And, oh yeah, let's go ahead and inject some nanomachines and you can use this
gun and you can use that gun.
And can I take your hat, sir? And can I take your coat, sir? Like, yeah, okay.
It's different. I get it. But the cut scenes weren't that great.
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I mean, they were great. Don't get me wrong. Just the amount of time. No, no, no, no.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off, though. But go ahead. No, I
was going to go through the bosses that we fight or laughing octopus raging
raven crying wolf and vamp then
a metal gear ray screaming mantis and
liquid ocelot i do i
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do like revisiting revisiting shadow moses though that was
that was a really i think that was a surprise i didn't know
about it yeah i didn't know we're back i mean
you know i wouldn't i wouldn't mind another shadow
moses incident to be honest else right i really wouldn't but
yeah they just i mean i understand they age snake because of the because of
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the fox die and you know all the rest of that good stuff and i think they they
aged him with old cells anyway because i think big boss was in his 30s when
they did this i don't know i just,
it just kind of made him seem like he was as uncapable right
when you got other video games that have older characters
that are badass and not saying snake
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wasn't badass still but i mean yeah age was catching up to him because of that
and the whole depression part of it's like man you didn't even have a life how
could you get depression you know right you know how could you but again feelings
right everyone's got those and to develop a character you got to have those feelings.
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Yeah. You know, I just, that game, it wasn't it for me. Same here. It wasn't it.
Remember much besides vamp fight but i do remember you're locked away somewhere and,
the girl's chasing you but it's not really the girl it's like if it was like
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a nano machine type thing yeah let's go back and look yeah you had to run away
but yeah i blocked blocked the whole
game out of my head i know yeah i'm
with this yeah again it's the hot take sorry i
like minnegan solid two over four although four
does set a good precedent for other games
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to come or to even fill the story just execution wise on it i don't think was
the best in my mind but i mean a lot of people love four so i'm not gonna knock
them for loving it right but i hope we We played the same game to understand,
like, yeah, these cut scenes were too much.
I mean, that's what really killed it. That's what really killed it for me.
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I enjoyed it. I think at this time, I had probably been away from Metal Gear for a while.
So it was something different.
And obviously, I didn't play 3 and 2, what came out in 2001.
It's the blasphemy on this. It's ridiculous. Then 4 is 2008.
So I probably haven't played Metal Gear for five years, maybe.
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But I did play 4. Yes. Okay. Yeah.
Was for me, having the over-the-shoulder view instead of having the top-down view, I enjoyed.
I was like, oh, okay, I can get down to this. Because the top-down view,
I guess it was normal for some games at the time.
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Because I think of Grand Theft Auto, the first two games were top-down view.
Yeah, great games, great games.
Excuse me. So we're almost there. I think, let's see.
So after guns of the patriot i guess
some more portable games came out metal gear solid was
it torch touch 2009 oh that
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was on like ios and i think it was on ios i don't think it was on android it
might have been on both and then you have peace walker and this is set 10 years
came out 2010 set 10 years after snake eater but then you had snake eater for
the 3d nintendo 3ds about 2012 12, then,
also you had Metal Gear Solid Social Ops.
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Your guess is as good as mine on that one. But then your favorite Raiden gets
his own video game in 2013.
I have that actually. You want to know something? I haven't played it.
I've never played it. Same.
I downloaded it and I probably played the first few portions and I was like, yeah, I'm done.
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More of he has a sword and you're just slicing everything.
And I think this is when Metal Gear finally made it to Xbox? Mm-hmm.
No, no, no, no. It was on Xbox before. Before that? Yeah.
Was it... Knock the mic. Or was it... I think it was original Xbox where Metal
Gear Solid 3 Subsistence came out.
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Okay. I believe it was on original Xbox. Oh, that's where they included 2 and
3, right? Or is it a standalone game?
It was a standalone, alone, but I think there was one where they did include
two and three, but I don't remember what that came out on.
That might have been PS3 when... No. No. I don't know.
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I don't want to get reamed in the comments.
We don't like this guy. He doesn't know his stuff. What is going on here? Yeah, I know.
I'm not perfect. I still love y'all, though. I remember you telling me about
this game. Now we're going to move along.
We are now Metal Gear Solid V Ground Zeroes.
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Came out in 2014 this is set in 1975 i remember you telling me about this game,
then i remember responding oh i just paid like
first i believe the game was 40 dollars it was 30
or 40 and then before it released it changed because i think i ordered it off
of amazon before it released it dropped to 30 i was like oh interesting then
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i think i remember texting you oh i just paid 30 bucks for a demo yay so i was
mad at first but then playing through.
My only downfall was getting used to keith or sutherland's voice but as far
as the new mechanics the game provided it was fun it was enjoyable the i felt
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it was a nice prologue i guess you'd say and reading all of, was it Paz?
Paz. Paz. And reading all of the recordings, which I gave up listening to them in Phantom Pain.
Oh, those are real important.
Those are really important. So if you guys played Phantom Pain,
those are really important to listen to because it gives you more backstory
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on what's happening in that time.
Because, I mean, yeah, you get a lot of information when you go back to the
base and you got Ocelot telling you what's going on and everything like that.
Those recordings off screen those are really important so don't give up don't give up.
Ground Zero is a great introduction. I don't think we have a boss fight.
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It's more of just running around doing your normal Metal Gear Solid missions.
Yeah. I liked the open world aspect. I did. That's right. Was that new for them?
Yes. Yeah. Yeah, because with the other ones, it was kind of still linear.
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Felt open world but wasn't completely hey you
can go whenever you feel like yeah but
i mean in order to complete the mission you would have to finish that and then
extract so that you can progress in the game but i think i'm still at the first
like two three five missions and all i'm doing is running around and liberating
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things that's all i'm doing oh so you're still brand
new yeah okay yeah i'm i'm just liberating things
and i'm paying rather and and grabbing stuff
i know they did some different mechanics like i know in ground zeros
what you could do the dive but it
automatically kept you in the prone and then you can crawl through the prone
right and then in phantom pain you can dive into the prone but you you can sprint
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back out of it so they i know they changed that they changed another a core
gameplay mechanic that was a
quality of life difference but i just
can't remember that and so phantom pain came
out 2015 and the time
period is 1984 so the
fun thing i enjoyed about ground zeros i guess when you go back to your i don't
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know offshore tanker or if it's on your birthday or the birthday they'll celebrate
your little birthday little oh nice end game thing i didn't know that.
Oh yeah they do ask you for your birthday yeah.
So the beginning part was just
talking about grounds here i was a fan of pain i'm on phantom pain okay the
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first three-fourths of the game is enjoyable it was fun because you know not
only do you have your main quest you have extra things that you can do some
of them i was able to to accomplish some I wasn't but you know,
but it was fun always seeing the optional things that you can do because you
don't have to do just this main
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one and then there's a consequence if you don't do that so that was good.
Remember what else the companions those were
fun oh yes selecting your dog
or quiet horse who
the horse yes then the jeep i
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didn't get that far oh i mean i
don't spoil it too much for you well you can spoil it i'll still play it
you'll still play it but it was fun you
know i don't know doing your normal missions ago
get whatever documents to need so you
can progress in building your weapons mines
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or claymores i can do that too just not as good as you or upgrading your gear
you know they were introducing what your lovely role-playing game aspects i guess yeah.
But yeah overall it's a great game I just like you said three quarters of it
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from what I've heard not what I've played because I've played maybe about a
quarter of it so far because all I'm doing is running around and collecting shit,
but I heard the near the end isn't the greatest no because they make you repeat missions,
on a different difficulty it's like oh here now do this mission but don't make
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any noise it's like ugh And it's not like, I don't know, maybe for someone else
it was an easy mission, but it was like the annoying missions that I don't want to do again.
That's the only downfall for the ending.
Well, I mean, that was during the whole Kojima and Konami type thing.
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You know money was involved. You know, hey, we want a part in this.
We want this to happen in the game.
And probably Kojima was like, no, this is my work. I don't need you doing this. And he does great stuff.
Now, do I care for Death Stranding? Not really.
If I want to play a walking simulator, I'll just go outside.
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Right? You know, I'll just go outside. And I know there's more to it.
So everyone just calm down calm down i know there's more to it i've seen the
game i even own the game yeah i even own it do you believe that just don't play
it i just don't play it like.
Before i even owned it i was just watching gameplay and
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i'm like i mean this seems pretty intricate it's
just not for me right same here but i
mean maybe one day i'll do it maybe one day because you
know death straining 2 is coming out if that looks
okay then it's like you know what i'm gonna just go back and fight
these oily beasts that come come and try to beat you
up and all this good stuff but i i really i really need to push through middle
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style of five to see what that ending is so i can understand it other than that
i i you know my question to you now is now that we've kind of delved through that and there's really
not too many bosses in that game no i don't if i if i remember hearing correctly but,
do you think do you think another middle gear solid would would do well for the series,
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well you say that and then we got a few more after that oh um they need um kojima.
Jima to sign up oh yeah oh yeah what was it um survive
metal gear survive so they pushed forward
without him and we saw how survive went i
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don't think in 2018 i think if they took off the metal gear i think it would
have been a good game right not associated with it but then no one would buy
like what is this that's right right i think 2018 so that's when the push for pvp was coming in,
moving well i think at that time they're really moving away from single-player
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game i didn't play it myself i know i didn't but i'm not a pvp player so i'm
like i'm staying away but i didn't do so well so you didn't play medical style
5 online like the fob stuff,
not that not the not the base infiltration that was fun though that is fun to
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do yeah it's very fun to do.
I think I did it a couple times, but... I'm talking about, like,
the team deathmatches or the captures or, like, the IP.
No, I think I left those alone. Oh, that was fun. I know I played online in
4, and... 4's online wasn't bad either.
It wasn't too bad either. I just... I think that was my introduction to learning about lag switches.
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I was like, how are you shooting me? Yeah. Don't remind me.
But... There has been, it's been announced, Nogursala Delta. Oh, yeah, that's right.
No timetable. They're remaking three. They're remaking three?
Okay, but outside of remaking three.
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Like, if they came out with a six. I don't know where you would go with this story.
Let's see. Because they already did the whole backtrack going back into the 70s, 80s, 90s.
Well, I mean, the majority of the situation would probably happen when Big Boss was still in charge.
Okay. I mean, yeah. They could come up with a new something that will encapsulate the.
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Term yeah something that would
be rewarding for the player i feel
i don't know games today aren't really the same no they're not you know they
have there's no love in them anymore no let's see let's make a game with microtransactions
you want the skin you gotta pay seven bucks yeah gotta pay It's $7 and maybe 82 cents.
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Yes, sir. Games are different today. But yeah.
So I would say if you were going to do another Metal Gear Solid, you said what?
Peace Walker took place 10 years after Metal Gear Solid 3? Let's see.
Yes. Peace Walker took place 10 after. Yeah.
It's at 10 years after. So what happened within the 10 years?
I don't know. People want to go back there, find out what happened?
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I mean, I would. I haven't kept up to pace with the lore, but I mean,
if it hasn't been visited, then why not?
Yeah, I would say that. And then, you know, the other sidekicks that he met
between Peace Walker and Portable Ops.
Like, how did these characters come about, right?
Like, where did they come from? You know, Metal Gear Solid 5, you introduced Liquid.
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Liquid so why aren't
we introducing some of these other characters in a in a
prequel game right right where did they come from what was their
backstory how did it come about yeah you can hear it
auditorily right yeah but visually like when you saw when you saw a young liquid
snake like huh and he was a little shit right like like that's no i didn't mean
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it too much but that's I'm thinking about that.
See? Yeah, because he goes back and it was like, Halo, Reach,
have you crawl on through the furnace? The duck worked.
Or was that four? Well, I didn't play four. Because there was like a contamination outbreak.
Oh, you haven't done, sorry. Yeah. I haven't finished five yet.
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Yeah. What, you were talking about Metal Gear Solid 5?
Yeah. Oh, I thought you were talking about Halo 5. I was like,
hold on, what? No, it was Reach. Oh, okay.
Yeah you haven't finished it yet okay i haven't finished it yet i'll probably finish it eventually,
it's good to finish i just i just have so much fun just like just shipping off
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everyone to my base and doing the research and development yeah yeah that gets
fun yeah that's all i do it's really all i do i don't do anything else.
I don't say the review, but talking about Metal Gear Solid V.
Yeah, that's all I got. I mean, I don't really have too many crazy memories.
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I mean, the only memory I do have is that when that game first came,
when the online first came on, it was myself, Steve, and Jimmy.
We all played. It was somebody else, too. I can't remember.
We all played the online, and it was great. We spent hours upon it.
I think maybe four or five hours just playing it, and we never played it again.
So i mean it was great it was fun i'd played it
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i played it multiple times afterwards but i'd still play
it now given the time that
i play it or if i'm not just playing warzone
or apex right or any other game but but yeah yeah they came out at a you know
time where you know the rise of the pvp game era era and it's just depending
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which one was greater everyone played Play, what, Call of Duty or Battlefield?
Great games. Great games. Battlefield, for sure. I love them both.
Don't get me wrong, but I'd play Battlefield over Call of Duty.
Especially, it's such a team-based game. I love it. I love it.
Yeah. That's pretty much what I got from Metal Gear Solid V.
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Do you have anything else to add? That's all I got. Thank you for those listening.
Prince is a meanie. All right. Hey, there we go. Start off with that. Prince is a meanie.
Make sure I get closer to the mic this time. I think the other time I was far
away. No, you were fine. Just when I was listening to it, I was like so far away.
Then eventually I got closer to the mic. Then you could hear me. Okay, fair.
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Told Dan he was a major intricate role in the pod in the last episode.
So, he's like, eh, what do y'all talk about?
It was you, Carapace. He doesn't know about that. He doesn't know about that. I didn't say anything.
When I was getting through. That was one of the parts I got to.
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Carapace. Laughing all over again. I was in tears.
All right. All right. All right, so today's episode, we're going to talk about
the Metal Gear Solid series. Impressive snake.
I don't know if you played all the games, but I haven't. But what was your first
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introduction into the Metal Gear series? Oh, story time. Here we go.
Here we go. You and your meaniness.
Eric's a meanie. He's a meanie. So...
If you remember correctly, well, I remember this vividly. It'd be,
I'd be sitting in your room.
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I drink water. Excuse me. I'd be sitting in your room. I remember that commercial came on.
Same way you did me with Gran Turismo. Same way you did me. Did me dirty.
And I said, yes. Yes. For Metal Gear? Yes.
Oh my God. You were the one that said, hey, you like these obscure games. You're crazy.
You're terrible. so i remember i
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remember it didn't come out yet but
it was you know previewed and i remember coming
i don't know if i came home from school or i was coming
home from being outside something like that and come
walking in your room you know the keep keep out
room and then here you are playing
teenager at this time right right right i understand that
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i understand that we hey you know we evolve and
we become better people afterwards i mean you were you were a good boy
then too but but yeah you were
here playing middle gear solid i remember the part you were at
you were you were right outside after the elevator so you just started the game
right and you were out in the snow field with the with the big open area with
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the chopper camo yeah that was my first experience my first experience was not
playing it but watching you play it i thought you knew.
That kid so my first experience what kid we'll
get to it okay so my first
experience being introduced into the metal gear series
yeah i'm listening was by the book that came
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out in like 1990 i didn't realize i had this book but i do remember going to
the scholastic book fair picking the book up and then one day being like really
they are related because remember metal Metal Gear came out on the NES and also,
I guess, M2X2 computer platform back in like the late 80s.
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Then Snake's Revenge came out in 1990.
And then Metal Gear 2. Saddle Slate came out in 1990. Yeah.
So caveat, I think Snake's Revenge is actually a spinoff. Oh, really? Okay.
Interesting. Go back and look that one up. But playing what PlayStation, but you're solid.
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I remember there was a kid that lived in the apartment complex in Courtyard. Oh, which one was this?
I want to say, I don't know as well. I remember his name. Was it Ian?
No. No, it wasn't Ian. The man I murdered.
I think it was Amir. and remember this
is what late 90s and this is when you could
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sign up for a pc gamer magazine on the playstation
and they sent out demos and he finally let me borrow the demo i swear to god
played that first stage like 500 times well that wasn't i remember i remember
you had rented it from blockbuster yeah we're that old we are that old i probably
did like that game was awesome Because,
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yeah, I remember renting it multiple times. Mm-hmm.
And that's not beating it yet, but yeah. And then, I don't know, something happened.
I think I purchased the game, and then I wanted Chris to play it,
and he came over to Barclay, but he couldn't find it.
This is when Ree took it to his friend's house. Oh.
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And it was gone for God knows how long. Did you ever get it back? Yeah, eventually.
All scratched up. It just appeared out of nowhere.
So, this is related and unrelated now that we're on this subject. So...
Our lovely younger brother, he was the barter kid of our generation.
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It couldn't have been his thing, or it could be his thing, whatever it may be.
This man was trading for something.
He was trading for something. I had purchased a Metal Gear, not Metal Gear,
we're just talking about Metal Gear, but Marvel vs. Capcom 2 PS2 copy.
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You know how much that thing goes for now? How much? 300 plus
oh my gosh what's up with capcom stuff what do you mean like why is everything
so expensive well if you didn't get the dreamcast so if you got the xbox original
or the ps2 version they didn't come out with very many of them so that's why
they're so expensive the dreamcast or,
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was it not maim but naomi like any type of naomi system like a cabin or something
like that plethora of them you can get them cheap right but yeah this man this
man traded traded with Jimmy actually,
whatever game it was I don't know what it was because I didn't see the game
right you just say oh and you know and I was like Jimmy can I get that back
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he's like nope it's mine now finders keepers,
wow so I mean at least it's still in the family right but it's still aggravating
oh my gosh it's aggravating but yeah but anyway back to where we're talking so,
So I didn't play the NES versions of Metal Gear.
The first one, obviously, like we just said, Metal Gear Solid back in 98 came
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out for the PlayStation.
Just hours upon hours. And I think it was 98, so they didn't really do...
They had cut scenes, but they weren't really fully animated cut scenes.
But this was at the start of that. yeah they
had a lot of a lot of in-game like dialogue and cut
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scenes exposition yeah and then they had a few here
and there where they're showing like something different like oh here's the metal gear
ma i know they had that but that
was yeah that definitely was the start of it for video game metal gear
solid i mean the metal gear series actually was just revolutionary at that time
it just revolutionized everything and then everybody else started doing it i
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think the only thing comparable was siphon filter did you play that very little
same here i stayed away i was metal gear fanboy forever.
The characters are Solid Snake, Roy Campbell, Merrill, one of Liquid Snake. Merrill.
And Metal Gear Solid has the famous Shadow Moses incident.
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But yeah, that game was fun, searching for things. Did we beat it?
I think you did. You beat it first, because then we were on top of Metal Gear at the end.
Were we facing Liquid? I get them all mixed up. Yeah, Liquid. Liquid.
Liquid. quite i remember i think you woke me up or i came home and you were at the last boss,
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and you're like i beat it yeah you saved it like right before that yeah so you can experience,
see i was a good brother come on now but the countless hours of it was just
fun i guess what'd you like dislike would change i know it's been a while just
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metal gear solid Solid in general?
No, it hasn't been a while. Because I have the Metal Gear Solid 5 Volume 1 collection. Oh, okay.
Metal Gear Solid Volume 1 collection. Waiting for two.
You know, there's really not much I would take away from it.
Well, besides the tanky movement. Mm-hmm.
But then, you know, looking and moving at the same time wasn't a thing. Right.
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I mean, you got used to it. And it was very robust.
It was very quick. So, I mean, I guess if you could take anything away,
it would be that. But at the same time, then you would have to change the camera angle.
Then it'd be a totally different game at that point. That's true.
It would be all the action-adventure games there are now.
So, I mean, no, I'd keep it. I'd keep it. I don't know. I was playing recently.
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I got the collection just like you.
And the whole top-down of the first-person view, I was like,
oh, wow, I forgot about this.
But the lovely, what is it? L1, L2, switching through all your gear that you have.
Yeah, I mean. It was cool at the time. Mm-hmm.
It was cool at the time. Now it's just more of an inconvenience.
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Right. It's like, games don't do this anymore, man. Get it together.
Let's see. I was trying to remember the levels in there. I mean, they were.
If I remember correctly, you had, you know, when you submerged from, or submerged.
When you're coming out of the water at the beginning. Emerge. Emerge. From the water.
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Because you had that little area. that's the only time you're in that area right
uh so you have the elevators yeah right you had the elevator and then you had
that little area with the helicopters hind d a hind d so many great,
what is it audio if audio
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means if they were a thing
then middle of your side would be all over the place yes so
you had that and then you have the weapon was
it the weapons facility right yes i think
this is the shadow moses incident yeah and so you you you
were in there for a little while i think for forever
well i guess the entire game well you're in the facility but i'm talking about
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where that those two tanks are yeah yeah so you had you had the two tanks and
you're you're in there for quite quite some time right there's things you got
to collect and all the rest of good stuff and then after that once you get all
that together then you're out in the field with.
Vulcan now i learned a trick actually you don't really need
the night vision goggles to see where those with those little thingies are
those yeah you can literally see them on the screen you can see the pixels moving
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you can see it so i'm just like i have to double check when i go back through
i was like oh i don't i don't have to get this so i just go okay just just walk
right through it But, yeah,
you can literally, like, look at them go up and down. Okay.
Yeah, it's, you don't, it skips a step.
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But, I mean, if you're a completionist. Mm-hmm. And those out there that are a completionist.
Yeah, you would have to go and get that.
Let's see. Who came out there Vulcan? Is that when you, then you go up and you encounter Gray Fox?
Nope. Nope. Ladies and gentlemen, our special guest, Chewie and Obi,
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if you're. If not, we'll just have to let it out.
What's after Vulcan? Because this is the first Vulcan fight, because you do the tank.
That's right, yes. He's like, oh yes, when I walk, I walk alone.
And when I eat, I eat alone.
I am a warrior. And all the rest of that good stuff. He doesn't actually say that, but...
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It's i don't know he kind of has this like
i don't know how to say it oh we
completely forgot about revolver ocelot oh and
the first one yeah oh oh everyone's gonna be like this whole time these last
10 minutes or so we're talking about this they forgot about ocelot what is this
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these aren't true fans these are just guys doing a podcast because they're bored there's probably
half the reason but you know but
yeah that was actually that was actually a really intriguing fight yes i like
that i don't know maybe i stayed away i guess the aiming kind of was weird i'm
used to aiming and seeing what i'm shooting in instead of the game well most
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games aim for you but i know it's terrible i was like hold on wait a minute what am i shooting,
oh there's been there were a couple incidents i remember you shot the darpa chief.
Square in his face yeah i remember that i
remember you came around the corner you were coming
so you were the top right hold on the darpa chief is in
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a cell though no not the darpa chief the darpa chief well i
mean it was like the way we were hunting them down no no well darpa chief was
already dead i mean if we're gonna do spoilers we're already do it now yeah
i mean darpa chief played this game now yeah you're uh what's what's his name
decoy octopus isn't his name decoy The boy octopus actually was the DARPA chief in the cell.
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Okay, that's right. Because you find the DARPA chief later when you get captured.
Oh, that's right, afterwards. Yeah. Yes, you're right.
Yeah, so, well, again, we don't find him alive. He's dead.
He is dead dead. He'd been sitting there for a couple of days.
Maggots and everything but yeah i
remember you were in the top right of the corner because you know it was a big square top
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right and i don't know how the hell you hit this shot but
you did you were like oh there he is right in
his head at the end of the mission just sometimes
you just want to make a game fun you're like let's just shoot this character yeah well
i mean especially when you don't mean to do it that there's
been many times where i know i played i'd run into to
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the string and blow up everything like it's
so far in i don't know how i would do it but you
know you try to cut the corner so you can like get to them faster yes
nope don't do that if you decide to go back to it don't do it just just take
the corner wide and just just shoot yeah that's it so we have revolver ocelot
let's see the m1 tank that's where the first vulcan fight i think it's So Sniper Wolf after that.
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Ninja. We faced the Ninja. Oh, Gray Fox. Yes, Gray Fox. Gray Fox.
And then Psycho Mantis.
So I'm in a few Facebook groups and everyone was like, how do you switch your controller?
Oh, really? Yeah. Remember? Because when you're fighting him,
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you have to switch to a port.
That was interesting. Oh, yeah. Or, oh, I know it's on your memory card.
Like no how do you know yeah right what
what is this it's crazy really i
don't say trippy stuff but i guess at
that time it was tripping yeah it was trippy at that time medicare solid 2 did
the same thing oh gosh medicare solid 2 you know a lot of people get that one
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not some i mean they give it a lot of flack look at okay sorry sorry i'll start
crying by the way so after psych Psycho Mantis, we got Sniper Wolf.
Yeah, yeah. That one was a fun fight. It was. It was a good one.
That's the first Sniper Wolf fight?
Mm-hmm. Okay. Then you have the Hind D.
The Hind D. I'm going to say that most. I think you have to use the Stinger to take this one out.
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Yes. Okay. Yes. Then you get another Sniper Wolf fight out in the field. Then Vulcan Raven.
I know Vulcan Raven had been before. No, because there's two of them.
There's two fights. It was in the tank. Oh, that's right. The tank.
Sorry, I keep forgetting about the tank portion.
And then after Vulcan Raven, you have MG Rex.
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Yep. I don't know. Excuse me. Did we have to use a stinger for that one, too? Yes.
Yes. And then Nikita was highly underused in that game, for sure. Yes.
And then, of course, after that, you have lovely Liquid. Liquid. Liquid.
It's a brief rundown of Metal Gear. Just, I don't know. It's a great game.
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Still holds up to this day, to me, anyway.
Solid game, like, literally. Literally, figuratively, and emotionally.
It was a very solid game. Just don't know where you can go wrong.
Not with that one. Just, Hideo, man, if I ever meet you in real life,
I just want to give you a big hug for just creating so many childhood memories for a lot of people.
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Especially with that one. oh yeah i forgot to mention the
whole thing game being created by hideo kojima kojima
yes hideo kojima then the
publisher was konami and yeah well
i guess we'll get there towards the end i didn't
really keep up with their disagreement or
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whatever it was but neither did i
but i i have my speculations i have my
speculations we need more yeah we
do we need the metal gear yeah we'll talk
about it when we get there i got so much to talk
about when it comes to the later ones all right so metal gear 2 riding riding
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oh can't forget well after metal gear they released vr missions which which
we had a great time with too i remember you down you're not downloading but
you remember you getting from blockbuster too impressive snake that's where i got that from.
Yeah vr missions were cool i don't know
if it went i remember being like some vr thing and just taking out whatever
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enemies whatever yeah targets or sneak to a point or don't be captured more
of our beginning of well i'm sure money grabs are always a thing but i don't
this This was just different. Yeah.
All right. So now we're in 2001. Oh, let me go back. Sorry.
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Metal Gear Solid took place in 1995, but was released in 98.
Metal Gear 2 takes place in 2007 and 2009.
Game was released in 2001. And in this game, we are introduced to Raiden.
Raiden. I am it. Raiden. This isn't Mortal Kombat.
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I don't like this game why tell me why you don't like this game so let's see
the beginning had the whole cut scene i think this is when they start introducing the,
animated cut scenes no game engine animated yeah yeah yeah yeah so i'm all like
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all right another metal gear going through playing with snake what do they call
it big shell Yeah, big shell.
Struts A and B, C and D. There were a few missions that were annoying.
That's games. Whatever. Yeah. Remember I mentioned the last or the previous
show, character switching.
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I wasn't ready for this. Because I was like, who is this character and why are we switching?
I should do a little bit more homework, but I think they did it just to switch things up at the time.
But I was like, no, I don't want to play this character. I don't like anything about him.
But you're a coy splisskin.
But I was like, whatever. Push through. No.
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Complete the game what are your thoughts on metagir salad
2 as far as you know
it's a hot take it's a hot take i thought it was a pretty good game i thought
it was a pretty good game i think a lot of people give it a lot of flack as
i was trying to say before and you and you nicely stopped me because you know
i go off on tangents oh thank you brother thank you but yeah i i think,
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that game specifically so i don't really mind character switching as long as
you know So we're not losing the integrity of the game or the story.
That game specifically was, I thought it was pretty good.
There's like things you can do. Like one random thing you can do is like get your grip strength up.
Because you know how like if you like hang on the edges and if you hold L2 and
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R2, he does pull-ups. Yeah.
Well, then you can hang forever at that point. I think if you do that,
you get like an infinite hang. That's right.
That's where they introduced that, yeah. Yeah, they introduced like all kinds
of weird gadgets and things. But no, it wasn't bad.
You know, you still had Colonel.
Colonel Campbell. You had, I almost said Raiden.
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Raiden. You had Raiden's wife or fiance at the time. I think fiance at the time, Rose.
And there was a few, were there a few other people? Let's see. Oh, Mei Ling. Mei Ling.
Mei Ling was there. She was there, the first one also. so revolver otacon
or otacon ocelot no
otacon's in it too okay that's where i got it okay
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uh let's see then we have tanker
incident shell incident metal gear ray the patriots vamp fortune fat man and
solidus snake i know i don't remember much of two honestly well two was a pretty
interesting one because there was a lot of a lot of like random,
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random like love interests and that when everything hey we need a love interest
in this no there's a couple so you had obviously rose and and jack right and
i put that in their quotes because i don't know why they call him jack but oh
i think it was the height of identity or whatever,
so jack wasn't his actual name i don't know i have to go back and look oh okay
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well that this is lady down the line too okay something all right something
is clicking for me now I was looking,
and I was like, they hid his name before they were like, oh,
no, this is who he really is.
Yeah, but how was it? How was I at? So, yeah, you had.
The love triangle. No, it wasn't a love triangle, but it was just a random love interest.
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And, I mean, you love who you love, whoever, but on the tanker,
do you remember that scene where you had, it wasn't a scene,
it was an area you had to go into.
That one area where you had all the soldiers looking at the
monitors it was like getting at the game yeah and
the tanker so the guy who
was speaking i don't know who he was i think he was a general or something like
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that so him and vamp had a thing i didn't know that until years later yeah and
i i don't know did they say that in the thing they say that somewhere i don't
remember I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, that's a thing.
So they had something going on, but then he eventually was killed because the tanker went down.
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And then didn't Otacon have some weird thing with his sister or something like that? I don't know.
I blocked it out. Yeah, I think I blocked that out too, but I might be wrong.
I might be wrong. So, I mean, there's some, I don't know, they added some weird
things, which, weird is okay.
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I'm okay with weird. Just don't too weird me out, you know what I mean?
Yeah, just like you would think things like that wouldn't be part of a video game.
Well, not even so much a video game, just like the situation at hand, right?
Like a lot of warfare, a lot of stuff.
But I mean, if you want to develop characters and stuff like that,
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you would need to have something in the mix. So, I mean, I guess I wouldn't
say I wouldn't have said to take that out.
It just threw me off guard. I'm a teenage kid. I'm trying to figure stuff out myself.
You know, so you get all these things. It's kind of went over your head.
Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, oh, I don't know. They added things like that.
You know, I didn't like the fetch quest so much of the game.
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You know, just like, oh, you got to get to strut A, and now you got to go to
strut B. Yeah, that was annoying.
Yeah, and then, oh, wait, nope,
the bridge is out, so you got to jump over the roof and get to strut F.
That's like, man, come on.
I understand, you got to lengthen it. It derailed, I guess, the story that they had going on.
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Yeah, a bit. And I think, I don't know,
people's always in video games, but trying to
like you said lengthen the game way for whatever
reason it's not like we had DLC in least
not for Metal Gear not yet no no I don't think DLC was out at that time it what
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it what they did was they just re-released the game and just named a different
answer yeah like oh man did they do that yes they They re-released it,
what was it called, Twin Peaks? Twin Snakes.
Twin Snakes. That was for GameCube, and that was the first Metal Gear Solid.
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And that came out in 2004. No, I
don't think, yeah, I don't think they did anything for Metal Gear Solid 2.
But Metal Gear Solid 3 they did, but we won't get that far yet, we're still on 2.
My memory was that with Metal Gear Solid 2, it was me and Steve played it a lot.
And so we would play hours upon hours of that game.
My favorite fight was fat man okay i'm
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gonna be late to the party i can't i can't wear this to the
party you know fat man was cool because like
you had to travel around to find the bombs right
i remember that yeah and i don't remember much of
this game but i do remember having to go find the bombs and disarm them yeah
and who knew a fat man on skates can move pretty quick that was one of the boss
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fights that was more significant to me than anything like all the other boss
fights i Because it wasn't your standard go to area and shoot the bullet sponge.
Because that's when you kind of had to work.
A few of the bosses are Olga Glukovich. Glukovich. Glukovich.
Let's see. Her dad played a real big role in, I believe, this one as well as
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three, but I'm not sure. I don't remember.
That's always fun, trying to rehash and remember all of these. Mm-hmm.
But it was memorable. Then we have the fortune.
Fortune. Fortune. Yeah. So you know what her... Fortune, fortune.
You remember why she was called Fortune, right? No, I don't.
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It was because she couldn't get hit by bullets.
Really? Mm-hmm. You want to know why she couldn't get hit by bullets?
Why? There was a chip on her neck or something like that. There was a chip on her.
Okay. That gave a field to where it would detect metal from a bullet or something
like that. It would just...
It was like the... Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of like an Israeli missile defense
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system, just about, but just in a smaller casing.
Yes. It's starting to come back to me now. Yeah, so that's why she was called
Fortune, because they were like, oh, they can't kill her. I'm like, no.
She's just got technology that works really well. And then after her, then we have the fat man.
Then we have the Harrier. The Harrier, yeah, I remember that.
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And then we take on Vamp twice.
The second one was so annoying. The second part was so annoying.
If I remember correctly, it was inside the building.
The first one was outside. Nope. The first one was outside when Otacon's sister
was trying to travel across the little bridge and get a deal with,
man, I mean, that gave me nightmares.
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I might have to do a deep dive in the bus.
That might be an interesting one. Ooh, okay. We can do that.
And then after Vamp twice, we have Metal Gear Rays.
Yeah, the multiple Metal Gear Rays. And then, of course, the final boss.
Which one was it? Solid?
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Solidus. Solidus, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Solidus, yeah.
He has a hand in quite a bit of that, actually.
As far as the tanker or the incident
well i think he goes back to metal gear
solid 3 if i'm not mistaken and then
yes put in the comment section if i'm wrong because if you do great i'm good
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i'm glad i'm glad it being corrected or critiqued however you come at me wrong
and coming at your neck so that's metal gear solid 2 not favorite game in my book but But I guess,
and then we mentioned Twin Snakes came out in GameCube in 2004.
Now here's a game I have not played yet. Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater, released in 2004.
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Wait, did you say you have not played it yet? Yep, I haven't played it yet.
Get off this podcast right now and let's go play it. But this takes place in 1964.
This is where we had Naked Snake, Zero, Eva, the boss.
So I haven't played it, but what are your thoughts or memories regarding Best
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Metal Gear Solid ever? Best one. Best ever.
Like coming, man, there's so many different things you could do in that game
from changing camos to the environment, to the interactions with characters,
the development on the characters, development in the story.
If there was no Metal Gear Solid 3, this wouldn't be a thing.
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I'm serious. I'm dead ass.
Metal Gear Solid 3 set the basis for every Metal Gear Solid to come out.
Great music, great soundtrack, great level design, just everything.
The boss fights were good. There are boss fights that actually last seven in-game days.
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Is that the one with the end? The end, yeah. Okay.
I've heard things about that one. Yeah, there's, I mean, you can do things with
a death pill, I think is, not the fear.
Oh, what's his name?
So we have ocelot the fear the end
the fury the sorrow the sorrow
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okay you gotta use a death pill for that i believe
if i'm not if i if memory serves you have to use a death pill
in order to get out of that that's very different yeah
like they really thought how to
switch up the bosses yeah kojima you know
what i i wish i could just take
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this man out to a five course meal and pay everything
right and say arigato gozaimasu just
just thank you thank you for this masterpiece this
game from start to end has been i
don't i i have no words of how good this game is just that good it's it's that
good it's that good you can you can they added uh stamina to this just like
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kind of the middle gets siloed for they had the psych meter but it's stamina
so So you can be affected by the environment.
You can have injuries that you have to heal yourself.
Like you have to use sutures and stuff like that.
It was super in-depth. You got to see Ocelot when he was young.
You got to see Colonel Vulcan, I think his name is.
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And then the relationship with Boss. Not Big Boss, but Boss and Jack or John. Did it go by John?
It went by John. I think very basic name, but I think he went by John, but naked snake.
And you do know that, and if you don't, maybe I'm learning you something,
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but you do know that Snake, Naked Snake, is not the same snake in Metal Gear Solid.
I probably read it somewhere, but probably didn't connect the two dots.
So, Metal Gear Solid Snake is a clone of Big Boss.
Basically, artificially inseminated. Right.
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So, I guess clone. I'll put that in quotation marks. I did learn that.
I wonder if they mentioned it in 5. But yeah, now it's starting to click.
I think they did. I haven't beaten 5 yet, but I love 5 too.
I love it. I haven't finished it fully, but right now I'm enjoying it. But yeah.
And it also introduced CQC as well. So I know you could do a little CQC in the
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first and the second one, just a punch-punch-kick type thing.
But then now you got grabs and you got holds and stuff like that. Okay.
You can do interrogations, not to the point where Metal Gear Solid 5 had it
or Metal Gear Solid 4, but you can do like small interrogations.
There have been some ones that were really funny.
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This is on a PS2, guys. Yes, PS2. So you had, it was feature rich.
So you had one where like me and Steve would actually go around and just like
grab people and see what they say, right? See if there's like any different dialogue.
So it was right before we fought Colonel Vulcan.
And so we went and got one of the guys before you got there.
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And, you know, you put your knife up to him. You say, speak.
He goes, water, water, water.
I'm like, what?
What we're over here dying we killed him right he killed him because water that
doesn't help but colonel vulcan was electricity oh water okay we should have
never killed him we should just knocked him out and called it a day he helped
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us and well i guess we're dicks for that but,
but yeah they would say just random shit and then you let him go and then you
grab him again they'll say something different it'll eventually repeat after
a while right but yeah oh man just
the premise of that game the story behind it it was so so rich and so wide and
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then it just came to a head at the end it's like wow that's that's crazy how
kojima just put all that together,
i'm gonna go back and play that one oh please do please do i mean you know what
if if anything i'd like for you to play it after we get done with this because
it's a very great game so for this This one you take on Ocelot, the pain,
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the fear, the end, the fury, the sorrow.
Then I guess there's two Volgan matches or Volgan fights.
Then what is this? The Shagohod? The Shagohod, yeah. And then the final boss fight.
So the Shagohod was the first prototype for Metal Gear. Really? Okay.
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Yes, it was. Because it was the first, it was the first thing that could shoot
nukes from a rail, from a missile rail or whatever they said it was. Yeah.
Let's see who we're taking on. But yeah, I liked how, well, nope,
you haven't played it, so I'm not going to really say too much about it.
Oh, it's fine. I think I've seen all the cut scenes.
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Okay. Because sometimes I'll just put the cut scenes on and background noise.
Well, I like how they did. I mean, I don't like what America did in the game,
not in real life, you know?
Like, we're not going to get into that subject. We are not.
But yeah, for another day, for
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another day, but how they used boss to be a scapegoat for the situation,
because if they didn't use her as a scapegoat, they wouldn't have been able
to infiltrate with snake, with naked snake.
So then they went in there and basically, you know, going to return to philosophers.
What did I say? the philosopher's stone like like we're talking about no not
(36:31):
metal gear but uh full metal alchemist the philosopher's legacy that's what
it is yeah it's a little little disc a little disc that we
just need a floppy disc that's all you know and yeah if she wasn't there if
if she didn't defect and i put that in air quotes because i mean they made her
do it right you know they They wouldn't have been able to infiltrate with Naked
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Snake to go ahead and, you know,
retrieve that disc and,
you know, find out a bunch of other things.
And he was another one, too. Where are we at on time? Oh, we're good. Okay.
The other thing was that I believe Big Boss, and now don't quote me on this.
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Who was it? The Sorrow and Big Boss are actually parents of Ocelot. Wow. Okay.
I'm sure at one point I looked at a family tree like years ago,
but something to go back to and look. I think so.
Don't quote me on it. Again, put it in the comment section if you think I'm
right. If I'm wrong, that's fine. Go ahead and correct me. I'm good with that.
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But if you come at me wrong, come at your neck once again.
You don't want me doing that. So, yeah, I'll have to check out three.
Please do. Seems promising. It's very promising. It's very promising. The shaggle hot.
It's very promising. So after three 2006 Metagrassala Portable Ops releases
took place in 1970, I didn't play any of the PSP games.
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Neither did I, but apparently the Portable Ops was also a spinoff and going
into Peace Walker afterwards was actually part of the main story.
Okay. That's right. Okay. Okay.
Metal Gear was kind of, I don't know, kind of fell off for me. Yeah.
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For a little while. Because then Metal Gear 4 comes out. Guns of the Patriots
released in 2008. The setting is 2014.
War has changed. Yes. So now we are on the PS3.
And for me, I don't believe I played it since 2008. I probably played it a couple years later.
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Just, I don't know. I was like, oh, Metal Gear 4. Yay.
What do we have going on here um kind of not that memorable oh i hated it um the only,
is it vamp no vamp what
no who was that oh you know who we forgot
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that was very integral in the first one who's that naomi oh yeah she's part
of the whole because she was the ringleader to a lot of this stuff that's right
and she was the ringleader in this one uh but you that's who injected the fox
dye in us yeah okay so you have naomi.
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Are you sure who do we have that was a vampire
character did vamp oh vamp did
come back that was like oh this fight's annoying yeah he did come back because
he fought riding because riding came back too yeah vamp did vamp did he was
stomping us out too for a little bit he was stomping us out I'll say maybe this one was a little,
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I don't see well I guess it was difficult I remember a couple times having to
go back this was the first time I was a little disappointed in Kojima,
well you couldn't even play the game it's like playing the new god of war that
just came out recently Ragnarok you literally get two steps in,
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cutscene for another three hours okay so this
is when they really ramped up their cut scenes oh my god there's
like that's right there's because they made you download
the game first when you first booted up yeah oh yeah
let's take five hours to download was it
uh i mean let me look it up and make sure let me fact check because i
don't want anyone in the comments trying to kill me but hold
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on look at that it pops up it's the first thing that pops up too because we're
on the it's no longer top down 11 11 hours of gameplay and nine hours of cut scene. Wow. Wow.
The nine hours of the cut scenes made it seem longer than the gameplay.
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Right. Because it's like as soon as you finish the section, boom,
we're in a cut scene. It's like, oh my gosh.
Yeah. Let me play the game. Yeah. Okay. That's one of the reasons why I don't like the game.
I do like the weapons that are in there, the weapon system, you know,
the Drebben points. Drebben points, you know, those are good stuff to unlock weapons and stuff.
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That was a nice little change just because of the nanomachines and stuff like
that. that they advanced that.
And, oh yeah, let's go ahead and inject some nanomachines and you can use this
gun and you can use that gun.
And can I take your hat, sir? And can I take your coat, sir? Like, yeah, okay.
It's different. I get it. But the cut scenes weren't that great.
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I mean, they were great. Don't get me wrong. Just the amount of time. No, no, no, no.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off, though. But go ahead. No, I
was going to go through the bosses that we fight or laughing octopus raging
raven crying wolf and vamp then
a metal gear ray screaming mantis and
liquid ocelot i do i
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do like revisiting revisiting shadow moses though that was
that was a really i think that was a surprise i didn't know
about it yeah i didn't know we're back i mean
you know i wouldn't i wouldn't mind another shadow
moses incident to be honest else right i really wouldn't but
yeah they just i mean i understand they age snake because of the because of
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the fox die and you know all the rest of that good stuff and i think they they
aged him with old cells anyway because i think big boss was in his 30s when
they did this i don't know i just,
it just kind of made him seem like he was as uncapable right
when you got other video games that have older characters
that are badass and not saying snake
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wasn't badass still but i mean yeah age was catching up to him because of that
and the whole depression part of it's like man you didn't even have a life how
could you get depression you know right you know how could you but again feelings
right everyone's got those and to develop a character you got to have those feelings.
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Yeah. You know, I just, that game, it wasn't it for me. Same here. It wasn't it.
Remember much besides vamp fight but i do remember you're locked away somewhere and,
the girl's chasing you but it's not really the girl it's like if it was like
(43:31):
a nano machine type thing yeah let's go back and look yeah you had to run away
but yeah i blocked blocked the whole
game out of my head i know yeah i'm
with this yeah again it's the hot take sorry i
like minnegan solid two over four although four
does set a good precedent for other games
(43:53):
to come or to even fill the story just execution wise on it i don't think was
the best in my mind but i mean a lot of people love four so i'm not gonna knock
them for loving it right but i hope we We played the same game to understand,
like, yeah, these cut scenes were too much.
I mean, that's what really killed it. That's what really killed it for me.
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I enjoyed it. I think at this time, I had probably been away from Metal Gear for a while.
So it was something different.
And obviously, I didn't play 3 and 2, what came out in 2001.
It's the blasphemy on this. It's ridiculous. Then 4 is 2008.
So I probably haven't played Metal Gear for five years, maybe.
(44:36):
But I did play 4. Yes. Okay. Yeah.
Was for me, having the over-the-shoulder view instead of having the top-down view, I enjoyed.
I was like, oh, okay, I can get down to this. Because the top-down view,
I guess it was normal for some games at the time.
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Because I think of Grand Theft Auto, the first two games were top-down view.
Yeah, great games, great games.
Excuse me. So we're almost there. I think, let's see.
So after guns of the patriot i guess
some more portable games came out metal gear solid was
it torch touch 2009 oh that
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was on like ios and i think it was on ios i don't think it was on android it
might have been on both and then you have peace walker and this is set 10 years
came out 2010 set 10 years after snake eater but then you had snake eater for
the 3d nintendo 3ds about 2012 12, then,
also you had Metal Gear Solid Social Ops.
(45:42):
Your guess is as good as mine on that one. But then your favorite Raiden gets
his own video game in 2013.
I have that actually. You want to know something? I haven't played it.
I've never played it. Same.
I downloaded it and I probably played the first few portions and I was like, yeah, I'm done.
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More of he has a sword and you're just slicing everything.
And I think this is when Metal Gear finally made it to Xbox? Mm-hmm.
No, no, no, no. It was on Xbox before. Before that? Yeah.
Was it... Knock the mic. Or was it... I think it was original Xbox where Metal
Gear Solid 3 Subsistence came out.
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Okay. I believe it was on original Xbox. Oh, that's where they included 2 and
3, right? Or is it a standalone game?
It was a standalone, alone, but I think there was one where they did include
two and three, but I don't remember what that came out on.
That might have been PS3 when... No. No. I don't know.
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I don't want to get reamed in the comments.
We don't like this guy. He doesn't know his stuff. What is going on here? Yeah, I know.
I'm not perfect. I still love y'all, though. I remember you telling me about
this game. Now we're going to move along.
We are now Metal Gear Solid V Ground Zeroes.
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Came out in 2014 this is set in 1975 i remember you telling me about this game,
then i remember responding oh i just paid like
first i believe the game was 40 dollars it was 30
or 40 and then before it released it changed because i think i ordered it off
of amazon before it released it dropped to 30 i was like oh interesting then
(47:33):
i think i remember texting you oh i just paid 30 bucks for a demo yay so i was
mad at first but then playing through.
My only downfall was getting used to keith or sutherland's voice but as far
as the new mechanics the game provided it was fun it was enjoyable the i felt
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it was a nice prologue i guess you'd say and reading all of, was it Paz?
Paz. Paz. And reading all of the recordings, which I gave up listening to them in Phantom Pain.
Oh, those are real important.
Those are really important. So if you guys played Phantom Pain,
those are really important to listen to because it gives you more backstory
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on what's happening in that time.
Because, I mean, yeah, you get a lot of information when you go back to the
base and you got Ocelot telling you what's going on and everything like that.
Those recordings off screen those are really important so don't give up don't give up.
Ground Zero is a great introduction. I don't think we have a boss fight.
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It's more of just running around doing your normal Metal Gear Solid missions.
Yeah. I liked the open world aspect. I did. That's right. Was that new for them?
Yes. Yeah. Yeah, because with the other ones, it was kind of still linear.
(49:02):
Felt open world but wasn't completely hey you
can go whenever you feel like yeah but
i mean in order to complete the mission you would have to finish that and then
extract so that you can progress in the game but i think i'm still at the first
like two three five missions and all i'm doing is running around and liberating
(49:23):
things that's all i'm doing oh so you're still brand
new yeah okay yeah i'm i'm just liberating things
and i'm paying rather and and grabbing stuff
i know they did some different mechanics like i know in ground zeros
what you could do the dive but it
automatically kept you in the prone and then you can crawl through the prone
right and then in phantom pain you can dive into the prone but you you can sprint
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back out of it so they i know they changed that they changed another a core
gameplay mechanic that was a
quality of life difference but i just
can't remember that and so phantom pain came
out 2015 and the time
period is 1984 so the
fun thing i enjoyed about ground zeros i guess when you go back to your i don't
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know offshore tanker or if it's on your birthday or the birthday they'll celebrate
your little birthday little oh nice end game thing i didn't know that.
Oh yeah they do ask you for your birthday yeah.
So the beginning part was just
talking about grounds here i was a fan of pain i'm on phantom pain okay the
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first three-fourths of the game is enjoyable it was fun because you know not
only do you have your main quest you have extra things that you can do some
of them i was able to to accomplish some I wasn't but you know,
but it was fun always seeing the optional things that you can do because you
don't have to do just this main
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one and then there's a consequence if you don't do that so that was good.
Remember what else the companions those were
fun oh yes selecting your dog
or quiet horse who
the horse yes then the jeep i
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didn't get that far oh i mean i
don't spoil it too much for you well you can spoil it i'll still play it
you'll still play it but it was fun you
know i don't know doing your normal missions ago
get whatever documents to need so you
can progress in building your weapons mines
(51:41):
or claymores i can do that too just not as good as you or upgrading your gear
you know they were introducing what your lovely role-playing game aspects i guess yeah.
But yeah overall it's a great game I just like you said three quarters of it
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from what I've heard not what I've played because I've played maybe about a
quarter of it so far because all I'm doing is running around and collecting shit,
but I heard the near the end isn't the greatest no because they make you repeat missions,
on a different difficulty it's like oh here now do this mission but don't make
(52:23):
any noise it's like ugh And it's not like, I don't know, maybe for someone else
it was an easy mission, but it was like the annoying missions that I don't want to do again.
That's the only downfall for the ending.
Well, I mean, that was during the whole Kojima and Konami type thing.
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You know money was involved. You know, hey, we want a part in this.
We want this to happen in the game.
And probably Kojima was like, no, this is my work. I don't need you doing this. And he does great stuff.
Now, do I care for Death Stranding? Not really.
If I want to play a walking simulator, I'll just go outside.
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Right? You know, I'll just go outside. And I know there's more to it.
So everyone just calm down calm down i know there's more to it i've seen the
game i even own the game yeah i even own it do you believe that just don't play
it i just don't play it like.
Before i even owned it i was just watching gameplay and
(53:26):
i'm like i mean this seems pretty intricate it's
just not for me right same here but i
mean maybe one day i'll do it maybe one day because you
know death straining 2 is coming out if that looks
okay then it's like you know what i'm gonna just go back and fight
these oily beasts that come come and try to beat you
up and all this good stuff but i i really i really need to push through middle
(53:52):
style of five to see what that ending is so i can understand it other than that
i i you know my question to you now is now that we've kind of delved through that and there's really
not too many bosses in that game no i don't if i if i remember hearing correctly but,
do you think do you think another middle gear solid would would do well for the series,
(54:16):
well you say that and then we got a few more after that oh um they need um kojima.
Jima to sign up oh yeah oh yeah what was it um survive
metal gear survive so they pushed forward
without him and we saw how survive went i
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don't think in 2018 i think if they took off the metal gear i think it would
have been a good game right not associated with it but then no one would buy
like what is this that's right right i think 2018 so that's when the push for pvp was coming in,
moving well i think at that time they're really moving away from single-player
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game i didn't play it myself i know i didn't but i'm not a pvp player so i'm
like i'm staying away but i didn't do so well so you didn't play medical style
5 online like the fob stuff,
not that not the not the base infiltration that was fun though that is fun to
(55:20):
do yeah it's very fun to do.
I think I did it a couple times, but... I'm talking about, like,
the team deathmatches or the captures or, like, the IP.
No, I think I left those alone. Oh, that was fun. I know I played online in
4, and... 4's online wasn't bad either.
It wasn't too bad either. I just... I think that was my introduction to learning about lag switches.
(55:43):
I was like, how are you shooting me? Yeah. Don't remind me.
But... There has been, it's been announced, Nogursala Delta. Oh, yeah, that's right.
No timetable. They're remaking three. They're remaking three?
Okay, but outside of remaking three.
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Like, if they came out with a six. I don't know where you would go with this story.
Let's see. Because they already did the whole backtrack going back into the 70s, 80s, 90s.
Well, I mean, the majority of the situation would probably happen when Big Boss was still in charge.
Okay. I mean, yeah. They could come up with a new something that will encapsulate the.
(56:31):
Term yeah something that would
be rewarding for the player i feel
i don't know games today aren't really the same no they're not you know they
have there's no love in them anymore no let's see let's make a game with microtransactions
you want the skin you gotta pay seven bucks yeah gotta pay It's $7 and maybe 82 cents.
(56:57):
Yes, sir. Games are different today. But yeah.
So I would say if you were going to do another Metal Gear Solid, you said what?
Peace Walker took place 10 years after Metal Gear Solid 3? Let's see.
Yes. Peace Walker took place 10 after. Yeah.
It's at 10 years after. So what happened within the 10 years?
I don't know. People want to go back there, find out what happened?
(57:21):
I mean, I would. I haven't kept up to pace with the lore, but I mean,
if it hasn't been visited, then why not?
Yeah, I would say that. And then, you know, the other sidekicks that he met
between Peace Walker and Portable Ops.
Like, how did these characters come about, right?
Like, where did they come from? You know, Metal Gear Solid 5, you introduced Liquid.
(57:46):
Liquid so why aren't
we introducing some of these other characters in a in a
prequel game right right where did they come from what was their
backstory how did it come about yeah you can hear it
auditorily right yeah but visually like when you saw when you saw a young liquid
snake like huh and he was a little shit right like like that's no i didn't mean
(58:12):
it too much but that's I'm thinking about that.
See? Yeah, because he goes back and it was like, Halo, Reach,
have you crawl on through the furnace? The duck worked.
Or was that four? Well, I didn't play four. Because there was like a contamination outbreak.
Oh, you haven't done, sorry. Yeah. I haven't finished five yet.
(58:34):
Yeah. What, you were talking about Metal Gear Solid 5?
Yeah. Oh, I thought you were talking about Halo 5. I was like,
hold on, what? No, it was Reach. Oh, okay.
Yeah you haven't finished it yet okay i haven't finished it yet i'll probably finish it eventually,
it's good to finish i just i just have so much fun just like just shipping off
(58:55):
everyone to my base and doing the research and development yeah yeah that gets
fun yeah that's all i do it's really all i do i don't do anything else.
I don't say the review, but talking about Metal Gear Solid V.
Yeah, that's all I got. I mean, I don't really have too many crazy memories.
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I mean, the only memory I do have is that when that game first came,
when the online first came on, it was myself, Steve, and Jimmy.
We all played. It was somebody else, too. I can't remember.
We all played the online, and it was great. We spent hours upon it.
I think maybe four or five hours just playing it, and we never played it again.
So i mean it was great it was fun i'd played it
(59:39):
i played it multiple times afterwards but i'd still play
it now given the time that
i play it or if i'm not just playing warzone
or apex right or any other game but but yeah yeah they came out at a you know
time where you know the rise of the pvp game era era and it's just depending
(01:00:01):
which one was greater everyone played Play, what, Call of Duty or Battlefield?
Great games. Great games. Battlefield, for sure. I love them both.
Don't get me wrong, but I'd play Battlefield over Call of Duty.
Especially, it's such a team-based game. I love it. I love it.
Yeah. That's pretty much what I got from Metal Gear Solid V.
(01:00:23):
Do you have anything else to add? That's all I got. Thank you for those listening.
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