Episode 8 | Punches, Kicks, and Memories: A Journey Through Iconic Fighting Games - The GamePad Saga Podcast

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Welcome back to another great episode of the GamePad Saga podcast. Two-week hiatus.
And today, we decided we're going to do fighting games. We do have a list here.
We're going to start with Virtua Fighter.
Okay, that's a good one. And this is only because, you know,

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dedicate this episode to our brother Lamar, our IP.
He is the Virtua Fighter champion. champion yep and
i was trying to rack my brain like how that got
started like how did we come up with hey
you win you're the champ this week but i guess just after seeing each other
every other week or something like yeah so virtual fighters started out in the

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arcades in 1993 then it was ported over to the sega saturn a very underrated
system mind you do you okay I think so.
I don't know. I forget why I was drawn to this game.
It was just different. What do you remember about Virtual Fighter?
I remember getting my ass kicked.

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I remember playing you. And then who did you pick? You picked Jackie.
That's who it was. Was it Jackie? Yeah, the blonde guy. Okay.
And I remember I'd get knocked down, and then you'd just do the little knee
drop every time. And I'm thinking to myself, stop doing this knee drop,
because it's hurting my feelings.
I love the picture i just wrote their names down

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of the characters that were in the game it was
only like what eight the first one let's see akira yuki i guess pie chan lao
chan kwan wolf hawkfield jeffrey pink wild yeah cage maru sarah bryant then

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jackie bryant then and Doral.
Yeah, their brother, Sarah and Jackie, were brother and sister,
right? I believe so, yes. I don't really know the story behind Virtua Fighter.
If you guys want us to do a deep dive, just, you know, comment, send us an email.
We can do a deep dive. Like, subscribe.
We can do a deep dive. And we're just a high overview and talk about a bunch of fighting games.

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This game did make its way to the Sega 32X in 1995.
One thing about Virtual Fighter, I believe it was a launch title for the Sega Saturn.
It had its issues, like clipping issues.
And I believe when it came out in 94, I think it was like September.

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They did re-release another version. Yes, they re-released another version that
you could get for free, but you had to, I believe, reach out to Sega Saturn, or Sega.
The old rebate system. Yeah.
I missed out on it because I think I got it for Christmas. And the deadline
was like the end of that year. Oh.

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They were like. Well, I mean, I was too young to even notice those issues anyway.
Right. So it didn't really matter. I think, what, 94?
So, you know, the internet's still not in everyone's house yet.
So. We had it, though. Did we at that time?
94, 95? Oh, no, no, no, no. know because we we all
didn't live together in courtyard on the green until about 97

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98 that was another thing i was racking on the brains i was like side note i
went 96 96 97 so i went down the rabbit hole i'm sorry it was like 98 99 yeah
yeah so i went down the rabbit I found a YouTube video about SimCopter.

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I was like, how did I play this for so long if we all lived here on the computer?
Did you just look up the most time on the computer anyway? That's what you played
for so long. Get out of here.
But yeah, so that makes sense. Around 98, towards the tail end.
But back to Virtua Fighter.
Oh, we got to touch on SimCopter at some point. That was a great game.

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So i only played the first
two one and two and then
they may continue to make more virtual fighter
remix came out in the arcade 95 the same
with saturn and also released on windows then virtual
fighter 2.1 then they had
a cg portrait series oh man i'm

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not familiar with then a fighter animation fighter kids
and fighter megabits then they
went on to make three for the 10th anniversary of just
edition five and virtual fighter five i think was it final round wasn't let's
see so we have virtual fighter 5 came out arcade 96 then for playstation 3 in

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2007 and then they made an online version for xbox 360 in 2007 2007.
You just came out with one like about a year or two ago.
I don't know if it was virtual. I don't know. Virtual Fight 5 Final Round.
That's what it was. It was basically a remaster.
And made it online. And it's free. And it's free. Wow. Free games.

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Yeah. That one's free. You get, I think you get majority of the characters already
off rip. But I think any of the DLCs you have to buy.
Okay. I kind of did it with DOA 6. Yeah. DOA 6 is the same way.
You can download that for free and you get
like core fighters but then you have to pay for the other fighters
clothes I stayed away from those Dead

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or Alive I never played them
I mean Dead or Alive is not bad I played the first and second one but it kind
of has a similar feel to Virtual Fighter to some degree or another but not the
same not the same so Virtual Fighter is like a 3D environment.

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3d arena fighter well no i wouldn't say
it arena fighter well yeah because if you could step off
the edge fall off i suppose yeah was
you know tekken since we since we're on
virtual fighter you know the competition was tekken
yes and it's segue
there yeah tekken tekken i know in virtual

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fighter we're really big into competing with
one another i know tekken had a few advantages over virtual
fighter for sure character wise i think
you know they're kind of kind of the same premise
but again i don't know the story about virtual fighter but
i know some of the story about tekken and wow harada

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is crazy with this story but i
would say the characters in in the first tekken do rival
over the virtual fighter characters because they have some type
of what do I say they have some type
of string in this ball of mess that
Virtua Fighter Tekken is not Virtua Fighter Tekken okay but
yeah they were a bit dynamic I think was I

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think sidestepping was a thing for Virtua Fighter Tekken Tekken for the first
one I don't play Tekken oh that's a U game oh wow okay I don't know either I
didn't have friends that had it oh my beer it wasn't introduced to me mm-hmm,
But yeah, I don't know, just, even having Blockbuster never picked it up. I was like, hey.

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Well, I mean, yeah, Tekken was great. Tekken 2 was better.
I mean, pretty much it was Tekken, but each time that game came out,
the graphics just got better.
You would thought the PlayStation, you know, when you saw the first Tekken,
oh, these graphics are great. These graphics are amazing.
You get Tekken 2 and it's like, oh my God, this is so much better.
And then Tekken 3, don't get me started on Tekken 3. That's the best one.

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I actually have a copy of that at home. Do you? Yeah.
Attack on 3, probably the, I would say the best copy.
Playstation one tekken that came out okay playstation
machine was a beast yeah it was it was just
when it came to fighting game when it came to fighting games
actually to be honest with you sega saturn played fighting
games better than the playstation did when it came

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to 2d right because playstation was more along
the lines of like the polygons and something like that so 3d fighters and
all the rest of the good stuff that was something that the playstation could
have a really big leg on when it came to 2d fighters sega saturn was it okay
so but yeah you had tekken 3 and then what got tekken 4 which a lot of people liked because they.

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What did they do they added elements to the stage so there was like different
grades of the stage you can walk up walk down there were obstacles and stuff
like that they wanted to try to of segue and be better or different,
I would say, than Virtual Fighter.
But I think Virtual Fighter kind of beat them out on that because Tekken 4 was
just not it, like the combo system was completely different,

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I believe one of the biggest things a lot of people didn't like,
because, uh, let me go back a little bit, so Tekken, you had the main characters,
Heihachi and what's his name?
Kazuya, who are father and son.
So in Tekken, you could use Kazuya.
Tekken 2, you could use Heihachi. You couldn't use Kazuya in Tekken 2.

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Tekken 3, I believe, so Kazuya wasn't in there.
You could not use him and you could not, don't kill me in the comic section,
but I want to say you could not use Heihachi either, but I think you could.
Mm-hmm so I'm gonna leave that up there for everyone to figure that out and
then Jin who was the new main character in the game whom is the son of Kazuya.

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You could use him now in Tekken 4. This was the big thing that Jin did not have
the Kazuya karate that he learned.
He had a whole different moveset that he had. So everybody that knew his moveset
in Tekken 3 had to really go back and completely reinvent themselves with Jin in Tekken 4. Oh my gosh.
So a lot of people did not like that at all. Yeah. I can see that.

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But, you know, and then and then you got Tekken 5.
I mean, well, I mean, Tekken 4 was still a pretty good game, but it's just
Wasn't what everyone was thinking of the change of formula, and you know you
know the golden rule It's not broke don't fix it right so Tekken 5 came out
the reverted Jin back to his original moveset Was a bit better Was it known

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Tekken tag the first Tekken tag came out after Tekken 4 and then Tekken 5 I?
May get this I may have the order wrong after Tekken 5 it was Tekken tag 2 which
probably by far one of the best tag arena games I've played and and if you ever
get a chance, go on YouTube.
I'm talking to all of you out there, too. Go on YouTube and look at all the

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duo assist throw mechanics and stuff like that.
It's actually really cool how they tag each other in when you're doing certain
throws and stuff like that.
And you can actually cancel other people's tags with your character. Yeah. Oh, wow.
So you guys are battling out. There's another guy that comes in,
and then your guy comes in cross-bodies, just completely cross bodies the other

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person and cancel the tag.
But then your tag is canceled. You can't use your tag for a little while, too.
Is there like a bar or a meter?
No, no, not a bar. I don't know if it's a bar or a meter, if I remember correctly.
I wasn't sure if you could just call them in at any time or... So that's not...
It does have that mechanic, so to speak. It's not like Marvel's Capcom where

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they do an assist and then they come out.
You can do an active tag, which is you can do a set of moves,
you can call your other person out as you're doing those set of moves,
and you can switch to the other person to continue the combo.
Active tags are a little bit different than assist tags. Okay.
But I don't think Tekken started that. I think the original Marvel's Capcom,

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Marvel's Capcom 1 started that, or, yeah, it was Marvel's Capcom 1 that started
that, but we'll get into that a little bit. Okay.
So Tekken 2 came out, and then, yeah, Tekken 6. Mm-hmm.
Tekken 6 basically was a, it was a, I don't know, it was like a,
it was like a replicant of Tekken Tag 2.

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But you know single player you know continue the
story and whatnot because you know the tag i don't know if you know this but
the tag based games are not canon okay not not canon they're just something
completely different so so those of you out there that are wanting to try attacking
if you want to do tekken 6 i recommend that you just play tekken tag 2 because you can,

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not only do you have a lot of features at your disposal you have a lot more
characters at your disposal and it's basically the same game but just feature-rich super feature-rich.
Tekken tag tekken tag the original is basically a up res of tekken 3.
So if you wanted to play tekken 3

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i would i would say i would play tekken 3 over tekken tag
just because tekken tag was still kind of
i would say tekken tag was it's kind
of like concept his first creation
in that matter so it's not fully fleshed
out like it is a Tekken 2 so yeah Tekken 3
and Tekken tag are pretty much the same game but if

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you wanted to have those tag features I would say play Tekken tag but Tekken
6 between Tekken 6 Tekken tag to Tekken tag 2 would probably be what I would
say cuz you can do single-player battles in that too right then we had Tekken
7 which was probably like the biggest one of the biggest tournament fighting
games in history in recent history anyway Anyway,
Tekken 7 was really good. We had the start of guest characters.

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So Akuma, first guest character in Tekken, in its history, actually.
Guest character from another series? Mm-hmm. Okay.
Well, no, I mean, yeah, Tekken itself, but I know Street Fighter obviously had
a bunch of crossovers. Mm-hmm.
But Tekken itself, Tekken 7, Atacuma, which was a really big,

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which was, it was really big because now, kind of a side note,
we just had Summer Games Fest.
And look what happened. Street Fighter VI now has SNK characters in it from season two.
They have Terry Bogard and Mai.
I don't know her last name, but original King of Fighters characters,
or if you're big into Fatal Fury.

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I know Terry Bogard is really big in from Fatal Fury originally.
Originally then he was an art of fighting king of fighters city of
wolves well city wolves is a new one that's coming out but mark of gowro
mark of the wolves was a original kind
of fatal fury so to speak it
was like the latest one until now city of wolves yeah i was trying to wreck

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my brain if i ever played fatal fury but i don't think i did it was on super
nintendo i'm pretty sure they made it for playstation and playstation 2 and
such but but yeah tekken 7 was the in its in its history and it's making the
first crossover character.
Like I said, like I mentioned, one of the biggest fighting game competitions
in history, Tekken Tour.

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And then now we have Tekken 8. Tekken 8 is amazing. I love Tekken 8.
They've done a lot of updates. Some good, some what the hell are you doing?
I mean, that's with any game, I'd say.
Tekken 8 is really good right now. The only takeaway I can say to that is the battle pass they have.
Have standard battle pass that everyone has now or

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companies offer so there are
things that are already in the game let me explain so say there's a headband
you say that headband you there's already a couple characters you can equip
that headband to so that headband you get from the battle pass are headbands
that you can now equip on certain other characters so say that headband and is only equipped on men.

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Yeah. Yeah, unlock it. Now you can equip it on women.
And it's like, yo, I'm not paying $20, $25 extra dollars. I don't know how much
the Battle Pass is, so I'm just saying.
On making sure that I can already get it, I get an item that I already have,
but then put it on other characters? Yeah. No.
No, I'm not going. I'm not going. It's cosmetic, though. It's what you guys

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wanted, right? No, but it's not what I want.
I want a Battle Pass where maybe I can, you know, maybe...
Unlock a couple moves or something like that you know what i mean some some
things that are already in the game some mechanics are in the game but now i
can unlock because oh i now i can do a jab low kick instead of the high kick
sweep you know you know just throwing something out there but yeah just like

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different combos that that that you can path into.
So I wish the Battle Pass was like that. Or if they're going to do cosmetics,
do cosmetics that's not in the game. Right.
You know, but I hope Tekken will change that in the near future and figure out
what it is that they need to do for that.
The suits will never let that happen. Yeah, of course the suits won't let that

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happen if they're getting money.
So we'll see. Virtual Fighter, Tekken, Battle Arena Toshinden.
Toshinden. You know, it was promoted as a Saturn killer. It went up against Virtual Fighter.
Now, wasn't that, I don't know, it wasn't that the, this was released in 1995.

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I'm trying to think. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember. I found it in a demo,
or if I just picked it up and wanted it to be different.
I don't know. Ooh, I hit the table. I don't know.
I don't ever remember how you have on that, but I really enjoyed it.
You know, maybe you played a game that I didn't know you had.
A simple fighting game, I guess you could say.

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And everyone, you know, had their own moves, their own moveset, special attacks.
And just like most of them, the one-player portion, you know,
will have a story that you can go through.
This is the first time I've actually seen you play like an anime-esque game.
Yeah, I didn't know you liked Battle Royale until Shandon.

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I think I was like, I'm not playing Tekken. I'm not play anything else.
I'm playing this. Well, you know what?
You missed out, my man, because a lot of these games are really good.
When did you play this? When did it come out? Back in 95?
95, 96?
Okay. Well, fair enough. Fair enough. Alright. I don't think I ever purchased

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it. I think I would always rent it from Blockbuster.
Yeah, Friday Night Blockbusters. Friday Night Blockbuster.
Yeah, I'm looking it up right now. It looks like a pretty fun game.
Yeah. So tell me, did you play any of the other ones? I know there's like three
or four iterations that came out or something like that. No, just that one.

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For me, I would say fighting games kind of held my interest early 90s to the late 90s.
After we passed 2000, I kind of stopped playing fighting games.
That was at the... You stopped when things were getting crazy.
Especially Capcom and their golden fighting era at that time.

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Like, you know, we had 50 million versions of Street Fighter 2. Right.
But I mean, you know, fighting games were fun, but eventually just tapered off
for me. Man, I wish it didn't. I wish it didn't.
But, yeah, going back to being at the golden age, I guess we can go on to our next one.
What we got on our list mortal combat okay yeah that

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was in 92 that was that was pretty good
too that was pretty good too and like
the like like i said i played mortal combat mortal combat 2 3 the ultimate work
i'm at 3 the trilogy i believe i touched mortal combat mythologies sub zero
i maybe played it for like five minutes and i think we both played it for five

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minutes The game was awful.
The game was awful. And then after Mortal Kombat 4, I stopped playing. I had enough.
You know, I was right there, too. I think Deadly Alliance was the last one I
played. And that was in 2002.
Yeah, Deadly Alliance, right? Yep. I like that one, actually, because you could...

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You had different styles you could use. You could use like your base style.
There's a subset of that style.
And then there was a weapon that you could use. Okay.
So I think Scorpion, because you remember in Mortal Kombat 4,
where you knew the input to bring out your weapon, you could use that. Yes.
Basically, it was just a button press and you just switch to your style. Switch, yes.

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And then I think it was either the third or the fourth style that you could
switch to and it brought out your weapon, which was really nice.
I like that. And that one was really good.
It had a really good combo flow to it as well.
That's one thing about fighting games. If you have a good combo flow or a good
path to where you could branch off in different things or do special into special

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or you could cancel into things, that's the type of game that I like.
Because it gives you a bit more creativity and it
makes you think about how you want to set up your next next attack right right
if you want to and you know i play the fighting game so i go into some terminology
if you want to do something and going into oki and all the rest of the good
stuff or set setting up maybe maybe setting up a trap like for instance dragon ball fighters uh yamsha,

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one of one of the most underrated characters in that game but literally in the
show is worth nothing outside of Dragon Ball yes where the nothing outside of
Dragon Ball which hurts my heart because in Dragon Ball he was a fucking beast
you know you can do a hard knockdown and then all of a sudden you can set up with his medium.
Wolfang fist which which teleports so you can go ahead and do that while he's

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on the ground and they'll get up like oh he's coming with the wolfang they start
blocking and it crosses them up so things like that that's the type of games
that I like in fighting games or the features I like in fighting games is being creative.
Doing the jump from one screen and appearing on the other side.
Oh, that was Scorpion. Okay, he was the only one that was able to do that. Okay.

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Smoke? Smoke could do that. Smoke could go behind the screen and come back on the other side. Mm-hmm.
Wasn't the robot, one of the robots able to do it? Yeah, the robot was able to do it too.
Sektor, Cyrax. I forgot the name. It was either Cyrax, Sektor,
and there was another Smoke that was also a robot as well.
Was that three or four?

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Three, that was three. I don't think any of the robots were in four.
Okay. If I remember correctly.
But I think it was Sektor, actually, that you could do. No, or was it Smoke?
And I got the other thing wrong. it was noob cybot noob cybot
that could do the teleport behind in the
back of the screen coming out the other side wasn't smoke yep

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he does the sector does the teleport uppercut so there
were technically three characters that could do that so i
actually as you're looking at that i just wanted to say i actually
kind of got privy because there was one time i was at work
and some guy was coming in talking about this was before mortal
kombat 1 came out which by the way i think
is a a pretty good game i'm not a big mortal kombat person now but when

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i have played it actually is pretty good so give that a try but i did not know
that all these moral combats dealt with time travel did you know that no yes
all from the first one all the way to now deals with time travel.
Wow well i did not know that do you can you get

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yeah do you know any of the premise of Mortal Kombat 1 no I wasn't not a big
lore person oh I this is I've gotten more interested in the world combat I still
won't play the games too much mm-hmm but I've gotten more interested in Mortal
Kombat just because of the time travel feature like for instance you know rating for all these years,
throughout these timelines was the God right right Liu Kang is now the God mm-hmm

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Raiden is just a normal man hmm is that why they They always featured Liu Kang.
Yes. Because remember, was it Mortal Kombat 10?
Was it 10 or 11? I think it was 10 or one of those two. Liu Kang had died,
but they brought him back.
So now, and I don't know if, I don't know, it doesn't really say or it doesn't

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really convey that some parts of it actually.
Yeah, some parts of it do kind of have like some semblances where some of these
characters still know each other in some timelines. and others not.
Like, for instance, Mortal Kombat, I think it was Mortal Kombat 1 or was it
Mortal Kombat 11? I'm not sure.
But Sonya and Johnny Cage had never met. I think it's this one. I think it's this one.

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I think it's this new one that just came out. I don't know. Again,
in comment section, figure that out for me.
Don't criticize me, please. And Liu Kang died in the opening cinematic sequence for Deadly Alliance.
Really? Mm-hmm. Liu Kang died then? Yeah. Yeah. He had to have died again.

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We'll find him. Yeah. But yeah, a lot of people die. Well, not a lot of people.
Some key characters get fucked up. Mm-hmm.
But yeah, there's a time where Johnny Kiggs and Sonya don't know each other.
Isn't that nuts? Isn't that nuts to think about? It is. Because you watch the
movies. The history of all of them. Yeah.
But yeah, time travel. It's all nothing but time travel. And it's crazy how it works.

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I recommend you looking into that at some point.
Because I still have to finish looking into it.
So where were we on Mortal Kombat? We did four, Deadly Alliance.
Deadly Alliance. We had Deception.
Deception, where are you? 2004, yes. Yeah, so Deception was pretty much...
So are these like... I don't know what to look.

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Like one... Well, I guess they're
all one-player games, but more story-driven, like Sub-Zero? Mm-hmm.
Mythologies? Okay. No, not like Mythologies.
Mythologies is a one-off. We're not even going to talk about that one.
Like I said, after, you know, hit 2000, when I stopped playing fighting games.

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Just wasn't paying attention to them.
Deception was more along the lines of another sequel towards Deadly Alliance.
And then you had Mortal Kombat 9. Was it 9? It was something else.
Was it 9 after Deadly Deception? Let's see. So these are probably like... Spinoffs?
Spinoffs. 1999, you had Gold, Special Forces, Advance, Deadly Alliance.

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So Gold was actually 4. when it was it
was the most updated version for the
dreamcast yeah i think it was a dream yeah for the dreamcast so that one was
that's canon you said special forces special forces advance that's deadly alliance
then they released the tournament edition deception shilin monks Monks,

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Shallow Monks, I believe.
Excuse me, I believe that was canon, if I'm not mistaken.
I believe that was not canon. I think that was a spinoff as well.
But I don't know, it might tie into the story. I mean, I figure it would.
Then we have Armageddon, Unchained, then Ultimate Mortal Kombat,

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then Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe.
I heard that was really good.
That was, that was kind of the start to what's that, what's that one injustice.
Okay. So those games were kind of, I didn't even add that game one year. I did play injustice.
Shallon monks was not cannon. It would beat him up. Okay.

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Not, not traditional fighting style cannon, but I mean, the story probably does
take, take place in, in the lower somewhere along the timeline.
What game you said you were playing? I'm sorry.
Injustice. Okay. So what'd you take on injustice? I didn't play it for that
long. There was something that annoyed me about it.
But I guess it was fine. It probably was me being reintroduced to fighting games again.

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It has been a long time. I think, is that PS3 era?
PS4. PS3, 360. And then they came out with PS4 versions of Injustice, and then Injustice 2.
It's been a long time. I put it down, never picked it up again.
And it's a terrible game. I know a lot of people are like, what? It's a terrible.

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This guy. I don't like this guy. He's so stupid. He doesn't know anything.
That's fine. I'm not here to be liked. Right. I'm here to just say what it is.
I think you and I played it one time.
Are you sure? Positive.
I played the first one for maybe a day. Yeah. And never picked it back up. Okay. No, it wasn't me.

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It might have been my doppelganger, but it wasn't me.
It wasn't me. it might have been re re might have played that
with you yeah so no re like re
likes his fighting games let's see mortal kombat arcade
collection complete edition mortal kombat x or 10 i guess the next cell ultimate

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yeah mortal kombat 11 now this is when they're heavy on the dlc keeping
certain characters under paywalls. Yeah.
They got to stop that. Then when I heard when they came out with Mortal Kombat
1 in 2023, I was like, really?
Because of the title? Just, I don't know.

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Mainly the title. Like the whole, how Xbox did their thing.
But, yeah, Xbox has nothing to do with this. But if you look into Mortal Kombat
1, you'll see why it's named Mortal Kombat 1.
It's actually... So are they trying to redo the timeline? Or is this just a
completely new timeline? No, they're not redoing the timeline.
This is a new timeline. This is a completely new timeline. I mean, I get it.

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Introducing the game to a new set of generation of people.
Yeah yeah if it's not broke don't fix it
right second time i said that today second time but
yeah mortal kombat in a nutshell it's a pretty good series and it's just something
that never stuck with me for the most part and then when nether realm was doing
injustice that was just even worse and i was like yeah we're not doing this

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not subjecting myself to shittery right Not doing it.
What's our next game? So the next game is, it started out as Soul Edge in 95.
Oh, Soul Edge. Then it changed into Soul Calibur.
So just those that don't know about Soul Calibur and Soul Edge,
it's basically the same game.

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However, it was Soul Edge in Arcade and on PlayStation.
But then when it got to Dreamcast, it was Soul Calibur. Yes.
And I believe I only stuck around for Soul Calibur 1 and 2. Mm-hmm.
It was just cool to go through each character's one-player content,

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I guess you'd say. Their story. Mm-hmm.
I believe 2 introduced unlockables, other stuff.
Yeah, like content and stuff like that for the character, yeah.
I believe you're right. but the thing I liked about well Soul Calibur was 98
Soul Calibur 2 was 2002 and this is where I kind of,

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was split because i was like damn which version do i get because on the ps2 i guess they offered.
Yeah kratos was it kratos yeah kratos and then gamecube was i think that's later
i've looked for that one but at least for soul caliber 2 they offered was it

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hi hachi kentuckian yes yes yes And then on the GameCube,
they offered Link from Legend of Zelda.
Then Xbox, they offered Spawn. And I think at that time, I was in my everything's awesome on Xbox phase.
Yeah. I ended up getting it on Xbox. Yeah. At that time, yeah,

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Xbox was kind of there with the multiplayer games and the two-player games, stuff like that.
It was one of the higher, the only console that had a really high competitive rate for a multiplayer.
Player yes i think playstation was still trying to get their footing like how
do we do this i think playstation it was still free at the time was xbox um

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live charging yeah xbox live was charging yeah,
actually no not on the original xbox not on the original not on the original
xbox i remember i remember we were playing like madden and stuff like that on
original xbox and not having to pay for anything.
But I think when it came to 360, that's when I started charging it.
I'm trying to see when Kratos joined the Soul Calibur series.

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I think it might have been 3 or 4.
Kratos, Yoda, and Darth Vader.
Soul Calibur 4, Yoda is only shown to be the enemy of Darth Vader.
So Darth Vader was in it. Yes, so Darth Vader, Yoda, and The Apprentice were in 4.
And that came out in 2008. I really had no interest in fighting games at that

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time yeah yeah soul caliber legends i don't remember that game that one was in 2007.
And he had four yeah with darth vader yoda
yeah and the apprentice the apprentice oh the apprentice from force unleashed
okay that makes sense oh what's a star killer star killer yeah he has like five

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different names a lot apprentice star killer oh yeah yeah yeah well you would
know No, you're the Star Wars guy here.
I mean, I like Star Wars too, but I know Soul Calibur V, or were we still on IV?
Yeah, IV, 2008, then Broken Destiny. That also had Kratos.
Or was Kratos like only in that one? I don't know. That's weird.

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And then Soul Calibur V had Ezio, Auditore, from Assassin's Creed II.
Auditore. Oh, okay. And then Soul Calibur VI, Geralt of Rivia from The Witcher.
They had 2B from Nier Automata.
And then Haomaru from SNK's Samurai Showdown.

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And then, yeah, they had some pseudo-guests here and there, but they really weren't too much.
I think Jin Kazama's and Ling from Tekken are the only two.
And then Asuka was another one that's from there as well. And Jun.
Okay, so they had quite a few DLC costumes for character creation sets.

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So you could be some of the Tekken characters without being them.
But I know they had some cancellations on some characters too.
Now if Soul Calibur had Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy 7 or any type of Dead
or Alive representation,
or Dante that would be pretty cool and then also rumor that Bayonetta was going

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to be actually one of the characters as well,
which either one of them if it was even one I think that would be really good for the brand anyway.
Yeah Soul Calibur you know they had and then you know the game kind of I don't
know. For me, it kind of took the turn for the worst.
I think so. That's probably why I stopped playing. Yeah, because I have Soul

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Calibur VI on PC, but I only fired it up once.
I think it was one of those where I started actually learning everyone's moveset.
I mean, it's not, it's not a bad game, but I don't know. There's something about it. That's missing.
It's like, what's missing here. Yeah. And I can't, I can't put my finger on

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what would be missing to be honest with you.
Oh, I forgot. Side note, Tekken seven also had a Noctis from a Final Fantasy 15. Okay.
Yeah. I forgot about that. An hour later in to our podcast.
I always thought it was cool when they would add the extra characters in the game to play.

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Now, nowadays, when they add these characters, though, you can kind of see where
some of these extra characters or these content characters are at a higher advantage
than some of these normal characters that have came in.
For instance, Dragon Ball FighterZ is a perfect example because you got your
base characters that are in it.
Then you have your first set of DLC characters, which are crazier than the base

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characters. And then you have the second set of characters.
Which are crazier than the DLC characters from the first set and the original
characters. Almost like they forgot how they coded the original characters. Right, right.
But I mean, through patches and stuff like that, they've added things to all
the other characters too, which is nice.
They gave some buffs. But yeah, I just wonder what can Soul Calibur do character-wise,

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but not only that, just gameplay-wise, what they can do to just retain a bigger audience because...
You know, I just, it's a great series.
It's a great series, but I just don't know what they have to do in order to
be in the leg of Tekken or Virtua Fighter Final Round or anything like that.

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Because, you know, now, I mean, I'm sorry, not Virtua Fighter,
but, I don't know, yeah, Virtua Fighter Final Round and DOA.
Because, you know, we got another Virtua Fighter on the way.
Do we? Virtua Fighter 6, yeah.
I did not see that one. It got announced, I think, sometime last year or the
beginning of this year, something like that. But, yeah, that was announced.
So, you know, they're still in the running, I think.

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I just think that there's something they're missing. I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is. And I know Soul Calibur 6 was kind of like a retelling of the first one.
What was it? We might have to do a deep dive. We might have to do a deep dive on that one.
It's a 6 retelling of the first one again. Okay. Kind of like almost a retelling,

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but almost a different timeline or different thought of the first in general.
Yeah, Soul Calibur. That's where it's at right now, so we've got to figure something out for them.
My favorite character was, I believe it's Kalik, and he used a staff.
Oh, Killik. Killik. Killik.

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Love Killik. Kellick was my favorite Kellick and Maxie were my two favorites,
Maxie with his nunchucks reminded me of Law from Tekken so gosh that was kind of my guy there yeah,
alright what's a let's get to Street Fighter down there let's just do that let's
just do Street Fighter for right now let's see so the original Street Fighter

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came out in 87 I'm probably more familiar with Street Fighter 2,
and that's probably all the Street Fighter that I've played,
I don't know for some reason I don't know either I didn't have friends who didn't
play Street Fighter because I never picked it up myself but I mean I played

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the hell out of Street Fighter I don't know what you're talking about.
I still do, just not Street Fighter VI. Right.
Maybe I need to get out of my old man ways and be like, you know what?
It is what it is and what they have done with this game. I just need to make
the best of it because I'm going to say this right now.
This get out of jail free card with the drive rush mechanic.

(39:54):
Yeah. Y'all kiss my ass with this one. I do not like it at all.
So when did or what game did that start in? Street Fighter VI.
Okay. So they came out with this thing, I'm jumping way too far right now,
but Street Fighter VI has this drive mechanic that basically what happens is
if you kind of be in pressure, just like, oh God, what am I going to do?

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You know what I mean? Instead of having an alpha counter or,
you know, maybe like a, so there's just plenty of other defensive mechanisms you can do.
And I believe you can do alpha counters on Street Fighter VI.
I might be just misremembering some stuff.
But you can parry you can block you can perfect
parry you can do all these things right to

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kind of get you out of trouble but it depends on
what you're pairing and all the rest of good stuff because if they're
plus on block or whatever it may be then they
still have a turn if you're trying to hit them back right
so they have this mechanic called the drive mechanic where
it gives you super armor for at least two or
three frames and just smack

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them and then it's a get out of jail
free card it's a free combo at that point right yeah
now you can get you
can bait it you can beta drive rush you can
or this drive mechanic whatever drive impact is what
is drive impact drive rust is something different although
it does stem from the same

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mechanic it's a different action that you get you can
you can pair it not pair it but you
you can pair your drive rush you can beta drive i'm not
drive rush jesus i'm just not getting it right you can
parry a drive impact you can block a drive impact but you your block will be
broken and you're stunned you can actually dodge it you really can or you can

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do a drive impact against drive impact because if you're the second person to
start your drive impact you automatically win right it's an automatic win.
Which yeah i mean which i mean like you can catch it
like if you can catch it in time like i mean yeah you should get that win i
i think so anyway and plus the active frames on the first on the first go of

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the drive impact already gone as opposed to you just starting yours up so you
still have more active frames than that person does yeah,
But yeah, I just, I mean, if you play lower level Street Fighter,
like, I wouldn't say I'm lower level, right?
Because I've played a lot of Street Fighter. I've competed in Street Fighter.
I've competed in other fighting games.
So I wouldn't say that so much. I would say I'd be mid.

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And even in mid level, you see people use that a lot. It's like, ugh.
Like, I could understand if
you use it. If I'm literally pummeling you and you have no other option.
Yeah. Go ahead, right? There are some people in low level that just use it all
the time. And it's so annoying.
And those are the people that you can't read the best because they just throw

(42:51):
anything and everything out, and it's like, wow.
Like, what do I do? What do I do? Like, I know what I want to do to set this
up. I don't know what I want to do to set this up. I'm going to start with this
move. I'm going to start with that move.
And then all of a sudden, they just moon you, and it's just like, oh, okay, what?
What just happened?
So, yeah, Street Fighter VI, I'll probably give it another go. right

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now let's let's go back to original i'm sorry i just had to
go on there they just kept essentially re-releasing you
know to adding things um like i said my history with street fright street fighter
is brief original street fighter came out in 87 but i mainly remember street
fighter 2 which was released in 91 then they released a champion edition in 92 92,

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then Super Street Fighter 93.
That's when they added Super Arts to that. I was only around for Street Fighter 2.
Yeah, the only thing I can think of people that I played video games with didn't
play fighting games. Yeah, because that's probably why I didn't continue. You're all losers.
Didn't continue with Street Fighter, but yeah, I enjoyed it.

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All the time. I always will say, you know, Guile's Sonic Boom,
Sonic Boom, Sonic Boom, Optic Blast, Stop Big Blast.
Yeah, Gal's my dude, though. It was a fun game. No complaints.
You know, Guile, Ryu, Ken, Chong Li, Baraka.

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What's the other guy? Baraka? Baraka's Mortal Kombat, brother.
Blanca. Blanca. You're thinking of Blanca. You're thinking of Blanca. Okay.
We all knew what he meant. We all knew what he meant.
The guy from India. Oh, Dhalsim.
Or Dalism, but Dhalsim is how you actually pronounce it.

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Am I missing anybody? uh e honda
you got e honda if you're
talking about if you're talking about the street fighter two characters yeah so
you got e honda you got vega you got bison uh akuma
was a a guest character in street
fighter 2 turbo i wonder if
that's what this is because they're adding more

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people in we got fey long zangief yeah fey
long okay there was an older gentleman like vega i hate vega i hate playing
against that rat he was annoying but i just think some of those fighting games
are just programmed to be cheap right yeah it's just like okay well i mean how
am i supposed to do this but if you're not cheating you're not trying so yes

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they don't want the game to be too,
easy uh balrog was another one oh did you know did you know and maybe some people
know this maybe some people don't so i might be mansplaining here probably not
but did you know that m bison was actually supposed to be vega and vega was
supposed to be bison really,
oh wow no no no no i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry forgive me balrog was supposed

(45:50):
to be in bison because he was supposed to be mike tyson yes and then vega was
supposed to be bison And was there the device and that's now. Yeah. And then.
Yeah, I don't know what happened to the actual Vega. I don't know what he was
supposed to be. I don't think he was supposed to be Balrog, though.
I don't think so. Interesting.
Have to go down the rabbit hole for that one. But yeah, my Street Fighter history

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and knowledge is very small.
Okay, well, I mean... 30 years. Anything else as far as any of the other Street Fighter games?
Well, I mean, yeah, we got plenty on that. Like Street Fighter Alpha.
Let's go with Street Fighter Alpha, or aka Street Fighter Zero,
which they called in Japan.
It was this was the the anime fighter

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towards street fighter so you had hair blocking
uh you had super art combos that you
can combo into i don't know if
there was any there was combo canceling uh
so you can cancel into super arts i don't think
you can do super with super you might have been able to i
don't remember it's been a while since i played it yeah so

(46:54):
you had street fighter alpha let's see that's 95
yeah so uh released on
super nintendo super nintendo playstation
sega saturn yeah street
fighter alpha so they had quite a few releases for this one it was a really
great game i loved street fighter alpha there's really really not much to it

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i mean it just kind of started out when this was after ryu and ken's master
had been killed by akuma who was also their master's.
Brother so they they went on
their separate ways you know finding finding strength and
fighting strong people all there's that good stuff

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and then you have the release of street fighter 2 well street
by alpha 2 which had the alpha counter which basically kind of was the get out
of jail free card to get out of a combo if you were blocking if you did a certain
sequence while you were blocking you were able to break that combo basically
combo breaker released in 1996 96. Yes.

(47:58):
Killer instinct. We'll get to that one too. I don't know too much about that one.
So that's, that's going to be on you a little bit, but you played more than
I did. Didn't you own the game?
But we can go ahead and finish the street fighter. So street fighter two had the alpha counter.
You could, it was a bit more polished. You can do a lot of crazy things.
Now street fighter alpha two was basically alpha one.

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That's all it was. It's just upgraded stuff. Kind of like with the street fighter
two series with all the games they came out with.
And then Street Fighter Alpha 3, that was my favorite. A lot of people liked
Street Fighter Alpha 2. Alpha 3 is my favorite.
And you had more characters in that.
You had the super art selection between A-ism, X-ism, and I think V-ism,

(48:44):
something like that. And each of the isms were different.
So A-ism was your traditional power meter.
You're powered to like level three and then you have three supers i don't
remember what xism was and then vism
was like custom combos so you could you could
like so for every punch you do it's another

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two punches that you get out of it so it's three hits all together so you
can do custom combos and stuff like that so it kind of gave you and took away
some things as well so like i think with some of of the isms you got like rolls
or dashes or maybe back dashes or something like that so each one had its own
unique style of play it just depended on what you wanted to do.

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So yeah, Street Fighter III Alpha was a completely different story.
It was a continuation of Alpha 1 and 2.
And again, Alpha 1 and 2 was the same game. Yeah. It's just Alpha 2 was updated.
So then after Alpha, I think you have the EX series.
Yes. We're leading into 2000s. Yeah.
So this is where 3D modeling was kind of a big thing with Soul Calibur,

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Tekken, and all the rest of that good stuff. And now we got the EX series,
which came out with multiple different games.
I believe it says it was EX, EX2, EX2+, or EX3, EX3 Alpha, all the rest of that good stuff.
So that one was a traditional polygonal fighter, 3D.

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I do not believe it had, it may have had 3D arena elements, but you were kind
of limited to what you could do. Okay.
I don't think there was a lot of sidestepping.
There might have been. Maybe in 3, EX3, but not in the other ones so much.
But it was more of like it was a tag-based game somewhat.

(50:38):
You could tag out characters. You had special battles where you fought three
characters at the same time or maybe two characters at the same time.
It was really different.
Do I think this series was good? Meh, it was all right. Right.
I mean, it was good to be, you know, branch out of what they normally do.
But other than that, the X series is something I would say pick up and try casually

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for anyone who's interested.
It is a different, it is a different breed. But then now you have what's the game called?
I think it's called EX Fighting Layer, which is the same company who made the
EX Alpha, Alpha series games. Cause there's a wide variety of characters in the EX, EX plus series.
Just characters that, you know, Capcom has had in like random other games,

(51:25):
like final fight, all of us are good stuff, like the side characters.
But, EX fighting layer has a lot of those characters in then some in their own.
So, I mean, even though I'm talking about two different games,
it's kind of, it's the same game,
so, so to speak, but the EX fighting layer has a bit more features than the
X alpha alpha games but that was the first turn the Street Fighter tried to

(51:48):
go 3d and it didn't do a bad job they didn't I don't think it's sold well people
probably weren't we're not ready right,
Or were we at 2000? Okay. Yeah. Around that time. You know, like,
again, they were pumping out.
And we can actually go back, too, because now that we're getting past that,
that's when they were pumping out the crossover series for Street Fighters.

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Like, you had Catcom and Marvel got together.
Marvel Super Heroes versus Street Fighter. Mm-hmm. 97?
Yes. Yeah. Marvel Super Heroes versus Street Fighter. You had Marvel Super Heroes.
You had Children of the Atom. you had Marvel's Marvel's X-Men which we played
I remember we rented from Blockbuster I remember you beat the game the same night.

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I was like oh well this is this is a letdown I thought we'd been playing this forever but we didn't,
but we had then we had Marvel's Capcom and then Marvel's Capcom 2 which everyone
is stating that is the greatest fighting game of all time I agree yeah I think
it's the greatest fighting game of all time,
And so let me explain.

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And I think a lot of people out there that, especially the younger generation
that are playing, like, fighting games now, like, that's not the greatest of all time.
What are people talking about? It's just, like, old characters doing whatever.
It's just like any other tag-based game. It's not so much that, per se, right?
Does Marvel's Capcom 2 have some things that I wish they did have,

(53:20):
like they do in Marvel's Capcom 3 and Marvel's Capcom Infinite?
Yes, I do. I do. There are some things I wish that were in the game, but it was...
And we'll talk about the other ones in a second, but this one here,
this is important. This is important for people to know.
The only reason why, and this is my opinion, the only reason why it's molded

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as the greatest fighting game of all time is because, A, you've never seen a
crossover like this at that time.
That's true. B, everybody and their grandmother was at that arcade cabinet.
Everybody. Now, I didn't get exposed to Marvel's
Capcom 2 until it came on dreamcast but do

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you remember going to that that arcade that was down in
palm bay i do so the reason why i
remember well go ahead no no go ahead i'm listening well my
story involves mortal kombat 4 and did
you play that big guy that was sitting there i did oh my god i
hated everybody i was like i was like hmm and
now i was reflecting i was like this is what the 80s felt like people

(54:25):
waiting to play games you know this one guy
just beating everyone one and i just stroll up had
to humble him for a second oh wait you beat him yeah
what yeah what you beat him i did oh where was i i'm sure you were there or
somewhere no way but yeah i had to humble him for a little bit so i was like

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oh this feels good this is what the 80s felt like oh my i wish you all could
see my face right now because i remember trying to fight this man and
I'm getting my ass rocked. Yes, he was beating everybody.
I was like, holy cow. Oh, my God. No way. Well, first off...
Have yourself a beer, sir. Damn it.

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Oh, we got to go into this. We got to go into this real quick before I go back to Marvel's Capcom.
So there's this guy. There was an arcade down in Palm Bay.
It was $7 to get in. You play free. All the games are free. Basically,
you go up there and just play. Everything's on free play. Yeah.
$7 is kind of cheap. Holy cow. Yeah. The monster arcade is $25.

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Have you been there? No. It's actually pretty cool. You can drink. You can eat.
You can play our they have a marvel marvel's capcom cabinet
there too okay um they have marvel superheroes marvel's
capcom uh there's another one not
x-men versus street fighter but there's another one they have i
don't know anyway but yeah there's this guy now mind

(55:48):
you i'm not being insensitive but i'm just describing this man so
he was kind of like a heavyset guy right couldn't couldn't sit
in an actual like arcade stool and he
just sat in a chair and he just sat there all day beating
beating everybody in Mortal Kombat 4
I'm talking like this man would literally and
even if people weren't like playing he would play one player games and he would

(56:12):
sit and wait for somebody to come up yes yeah I did observe that yeah yeah and
I'm like I remember I was like you know I'm gonna try this you know I'm gonna
try this I'm gonna try fighting him and this is when I realized like people don't care about kids.
I was a kid and my feelings were getting hurt left and right trying to fight this man.

(56:34):
I'm like, and I thought I was okay at fighting games. I suck compared to this guy.
So, yeah, go ahead. Tell the story. Like, walk us through this, please.
Trying to remember, but pretty much. I need to know. No. I wasn't here for that.
Witnessing him beat everybody.
I was like, oh, it's my turn. Let's see what I can do. Yeah. Please, humble him.

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I don't know if I was blocking most of the time. Oh, you had to with him.
You had to. But somehow it happened. And I was like, holy shit.
Did you beat him once and that was it? We went back and forth.
Oh, you went back and forth? Yeah.
Yeah. I would beat him. Then I don't know if it was the same day or another

(57:17):
day that we went, but then he beat me.
But then kind of went back and forth. But I was kind of like,
holy, because it's one of those where you have like, I don't know, one hit point left.
Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. So he got you on technicality.
I don't know. I got him the first time. Oh, did you? but oh my

(57:38):
goodness sis yeah it was crazy this story is going down in infamy right now
because i'm telling you right now i'm telling you right now like this hearing
this right now like brings joy to my heart like no joke like this man this man
gave no fucks on who got on the sticks.
He was going to destroy and i like that mentality i really do i love the mentality

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but But I needed him gone.
I needed him gone. And knowing that my brother took the giant down. Yes.
Yes. I love it. Yes. Those good video game moments. I was like,
oh. Because, you know, it's not someone you play with, so you don't know how they play.
Then it was kind of like, all right, let's see what we're going to do here.

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You know, and that shows a testament of how quick you adjust to things.
That actually, and you non-fighting gamers out there, that's what happens.
You have to adjust. If you don't adjust, you're going to get,
you're going to get shat all over every time.
Yeah back to marvel's capcom 2 but i'm glad you shared that because well i'm
glad i shared that that you shared that because i did not

(58:41):
know this i might have been off doing something else somewhere yeah i
think you had wandered off oh man no yeah that was that's a good time that's
a good time but back to what i was saying about marvel's capcom 2 it's the only
it's the only game that i know of that a lot of people crowded around that cabinet
and played that game and even watching that game,

(59:02):
you were just in awe at what you could do with all these characters,
all these characters that you can create synergy with, all these characters
that you can do DHCs, which are delayed hyper combos.
So if you do a super art, you can actually bring someone else out later during
the super art and do another super art.
There were so many things that you could do that no fighting game at that time gave you,

(59:28):
give you any type of like inkling or
option to do right so that right
there in itself and then not only that marvel's capcom 2 was the is is currently
and this is and this came this got remastered back in 2009 on the playstation
3 and 360 marvel's capcom 2 is still the highest selling digital game of all time.

(59:55):
Wow, that's amazing. So that should tell you something.
They don't make them like they used to. No, they don't. They don't.
They don't. But yeah, we were talking about the crossovers. So yeah,
we had all the crossovers.
And this is when Capcom and Marvel were collabing because Marvel was actually,
at that time, and if I remember correctly, listening to Maximilian Dude, which, shout out to him,

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one of the greatest YouTubers of all time when it comes to fighting games,
no shameless plug or anything like that but he's just good at what he does he had mentioned that,
and if I remember and I'm trying to get it excuse me verbatim but at that time,
Marvel was getting ready to go bankrupt and,
Because Marvel, all they had was comics. And in the late 80s,

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early 90s, comics were like gold.
Like you get, oh, first edition Punisher?
Well, this go for like $300, $400.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Or I could send my kid through college with this.
At that time, probably. Now, no.
Never. Never.
But, you know, comic books weren't what it was. Because, you know,

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and Marvel was getting ready to go bankrupt.
And Capcom went in. I think they paid to collab for the rights.
I think it was like 15K. Really? Wasn't much.
Wasn't much. 15K. And the first game that came out with Children was Children,
not Children of the Atom, The Punisher, which was a beat-em-up.
So kind of like Final Fight. Mm-hmm.

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The next one was Children of the Atom, X-Men Children of the Atom,
which was a 2D 1v1 fighter. Mm-hmm.
And then you had Marvel Super Heroes.
I'm trying to see here. Which was the same thing as- Okay, Marvel Super Heroes
versus Street Fighter. Mm-hmm. That's 97. Yeah.
No, you had Marvel Super Heroes, and then you had Marvel Super Heroes versus Street Fighter. Okay.

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And then, so that was the first crossover that they actually did.
Mm-hmm. The first crossover. And then, so they had X-Men versus Street Fighter.
And then you had Marvel's Capcom, and then Marvel's Capcom 2.
So all of those games in a whole were essentially the same game but just added
features each time which i feel probably i don't know i would say that capcom did the right move,

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when it came to building their player base for fighting games and not only that
this is the only one of the biggest reasons why marvel's marvel has their their
phase six right now hold on what What about the Blade movie?
I mean, Blade was good. It came out in 98. Blade was good. Up to that point,

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it really didn't have any.
That's true. I wonder why. I mean, it was like one of the...
But I don't think, was Blade even a character at that time? Yeah,
he had a movie. He was always around.
Did he have a comic? Yes. Okay. And with the success of Blade, Marvel went back up.

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Yeah. Yeah, and Capcom putting out all those damn games.
Putting out all those games. And then now, now I about flew out of my seat when I saw this.
Did you watch the last Nintendo Direct?
No, I don't watch this. What?
Sometimes I will watch, who is it? Oh, I think I know who you're talking about.

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Yeah, RGG85 or something like that. Yeah, yeah.
Shout out to him too. He's actually a pretty good YouTuber as well.
They were like so they brought up the segment and they were like oh yeah we're
gonna do Capcom's next fight next fighting collection we're gonna take you for
a ride I was like excuse me,
excuse me yeah and then there it was boom like all those fighting games i about like,

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like flipped out i was like what yeah
this is the first time any of the so i
think marvel's capcom the first one this
is the first time it actually got a a true port
ever since it released and it released back in
what would you say it was just marvel's capcom
the original original marvel's calcom one that's before let's

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see two was 2000 let me check most calcom
one had to been like 99 or 98 number one 98
the first ever port since
98 that's over 20 years
yeah over 20 years that's
insane that's insanity but now now they're roms no i mean i don't know we're

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gonna figure out like how we're gonna get more information and stuff like that
on how how it is and stuff like that marvis capcom 2 i'm not sure if it's a
rom or if it's the remastered version of ps3 360.
I'll probably do a deep dive on that myself and figure that out but but man let me tell you,
how how big and and even

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maximilian dude said this and i i agree with him
this is the only time this
is this is going to be the time where marvis capcom 2 is going to be the most
played game of wall time at the same time i can see that yeah oh man just nostalgia
just floating in here right now it's just like it's almost makes you a little

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teary-eyed it's like damn i miss those days,
but yeah okay so we're moving on we're moving on from the crossover series we
have a street fighter 3 street fighter 3 came out around the time alpha was
coming out because street fighter Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max comes out in 06.
Are we that far yet? Yeah, Alpha 3 Max was, it was a release on the PSP,

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I believe. Street Fighter Alpha 3, 98. Okay.
Then Third Strike, 99. Third Strike was 99.
So, we had Street Fighter 3, we had Street Fighter 3 Second Impact,
and then we had Street Fighter 3 Third Strike. Oh, I'm sorry.
No, no, no, no. I knew what you meant. I knew what you meant.
I knew what you meant. So, Street Fighter III was not well received at first

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because Ryu and Ken were not the main characters.
Oh, wow. I'm sure that shocked people. Oh, yeah. It shocked a lot of people, I'm sure.
What do you mean they're not the main characters? No, Alex is the main character
in Street Fighter III, which is a big, basically, blonde Zangief for the most part. Okay.
It made me think of the random character in the Mortal Kombat movie.

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Which one? the recent Mortal Kombat movie oh I just I never played that I mean
I never watched that I heard it was good though beginning and the end the middle
I don't know what happened,
just a lot of shit yeah just nonsense it
wasn't well received at first and it was a
hard it was a hard game to play it was a hard game to play because mechanics.

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Were different hit boxes were different it was
just not just switching things up right they switched.
A lot of stuff up you know they switched the the.
Engine up for the game the the.
Mechanics the the graphics it's just
completely different right obviously like you said
earlier a lot of people just weren't ready for it second impact came

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out second impact had a few improvements and stuff like
that i believe the first street fighter 3 had some infinites
that were that were really really buggy
and if you got caught into them it was done it was over with second impact
improved on that a bit i think there might
have been a few other infinites that you could have found in the
game don't quote me on it though but i

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if i remember watching a review on it i think it was but
third strike third strike became i think
for street fighter itself was the first street
fighter that actually had a really huge tournament following and
if you don't know about moment 37 at evo
moment 37 have you seen moment 37 i

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haven't i mean let me tell you let me show you what moment 37 looks like
and i want you to watch that and and
you let me know when it's done because i'm gonna watch a version of it myself on
my phone because i've i remember watching this
back it was around 2003 2004
something like that i know i was in high school
at the time evil moment 37 was the start of street fighter 3 third strike being

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one of the best games okay out there because again now people are starting to
see more people are starting to see that this game has more than just list.
Know the base things that you can do right yeah with moment
with moment 37 it shows like you like the
possibilities are endless almost no obviously

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there's limitations blocking chung lee's kick yeah he's
parrying okay so this is this was another feature that that came came about
was parrying yeah parrying gave you a frame perfect opportunity to go ahead
and and deliver the blow back and then And you know how blocking actually chips
away at your health. Well, parrying doesn't.

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Parrying, you don't lose any health whatsoever.
And then these are the two, in EVO and Moment 37, those are the two main guys
in the fighting community right now that are the best at what they do.
Daigo and Justin Wong.
Probably the best Street Fighter characters. Street Fighter players of all time.

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Because they were good at what they did.
But yeah, Third Strike became the sensation after Moment 37.
And people started actually playing the game. Because, I mean,
when that cabinet first came out, when Third Strike first came out,
no one touched that cabinet.
You know, maybe a few, but not very many.

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You didn't have a lot of people lining up around it. Because again,
it was totally different than what it was before.
Four now what has
come to today and i believe third strike is now the retro
green on the top lineup this year wow i didn't know that yeah yeah it's it's
it is the top i think it took the place of dragon ball fighters dragon ball

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fighters is no longer in the main lineup for evo now it is a side tournament
of course because you're not gonna you're not gonna get rid of dragon ball fighters you're just not,
yet anyway because it's the closest thing to Marvel vs. Capcom 2 yes so,
But, yeah, Third Strike is up there for Evo this year.
And I'm very happy to see it because it actually is a really good game.

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Every character is not the same.
And it's a very technical game, which I like in a fighting game as well.
I always enjoy that when the characters are really, I guess, diverse.
Especially with moveset and obviously appearance. Unless you had Ken and Ryu, which...
I mean, Ken is my favorite character, but let's be real. two of the same main

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characters actually training together i don't know about that,
so then was after three you had
alpha not alpha yes street fighter 4 now this
was my least favorite one okay street
fighter 4 okay now i'm gonna be i'm being a little biased because street fighter
4 actually i only played vanilla street fighter 4 i never played 2008 yeah i

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never played the The updated ones like Ultra or Super or whatever it may be.
And I really want to because, A, there's a lot more characters.
There's a lot of updates that have been done.
And I'm like, hmm, I kind of want to try it. But I'm too far gone right now
with Street Fighter 4 because I just...

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And this was in the era where patches were starting to come about. Yeah.
And... Yeah, 2000, yes. You know how when we played games, like the game was what it was.
Complete. And we kind of, I don't know, well, probably at the time,
since it wasn't something that was known, we never thought of it as being incomplete.
And it always felt like games were shipped complete.

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Now you essentially well if you
get the physical copy it's like just a what a
download disc yeah either download disc or well nowadays that's what the discs
are you know but because now it's you have your day one patch and i don't know
maybe it's a safe space on the disc but i mean or maybe the disc can't take
all that info which can't i can't see that blu-rays wouldn't but right Right.

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Yeah. And I got this day one patch. You got all this. And, you know,
that's when Street Fighter four for me just wasn't wasn't there for me.
Like I knew I saw that there were some flaws, like all that good stuff.
And, you know, in earlier games, you would see flaws, too, but you would kind
of find ways around it. Yeah.
So this where always online was starting around this time. OK.

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We had to be online for updates. We connected to our server at all times.
Um you know like i said i heard the the other
iterations were better you just never got
past that first one never got past it you can see that
sometimes game just put a bad taste in your mouth like
you know what i'm done i was like is anything with
street fighter 6 i was so disappointed but then again now these updates have

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come out maybe i should try it again and stop being an old man and being like
you know what this mechanic is in the game deal with it and just figure it out
that's how i am unrelated to fighting games but But that's where I am with Starfield and Cyberpunk.
Oh, they just got updates.
Yeah. Did you play any of them? No, so I had to go back.

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Fair. Okay. I actually started playing Cyberpunk before the update came out,
or before the Phantom Liberty came out.
Give it a try primo it was trying to
i guess adjust everything because at the time you know it's hard i mean it's
kind of like well not so much like destiny but as far as you know breaking down

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materials and stuff only thing
learning and navigating dealing with that aspect yeah Because it's more,
what's the word I'm looking for?
Detail, more, not design, but more options as far as materials,

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weapons, whatever you need to carry.
They did a huge overhaul on Cyberpunk. And then Starfield's got the new DLC
that just got announced.
I don't know if it's free or not, though. Is it free? well i
did the whole pre-order and get the first
dlc free i guess well i guess
not free so you have like season pass yeah okay then

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i guess they put something out it's like
an eight dollar quest line i was like oh there it
is yeah yeah oh there's there there they
are there's the ugly hand there so
that kind of turned me off a little bit i was like that's what we're gonna do now
yeah a little little eight dollars yeah i got a request yeah but i guess the

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first part is free so you can start the quest but you need to pay eight bucks
to finish it i was like mother effing so they must think we're prostitutes yeah
no vaseline yeah right right.
Like we got eight dollars to spend you know how much how
much chicken we can buy with eight dollars yes well a good no more no no no

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no you can buy you can buy a chicken with eight dollars don't get me wrong you
can buy rotisserie for eight dollars that's true and make that last at least
three days that dlc is gonna be at least if you play straight through it four hours,
if for eight dollars oh my gosh get out of here we're at four right yeah street

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fighter four so So Street Fighter 4, from my experience, wasn't the best.
However, Street Fighter 4 in its whole, from what I've heard, is very good.
So I'm going to go with that just because of the prowess of Street Fighter and
me being biased of fighting games being good. Well, for me anyway, I like fighting games.

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What was the next one? Street Fighter 5. I didn't play a lot of 5. 2016.
I know it was heavily, kind of similar to how I felt with Street Fighter 4.
Very similar. I didn't play it at first because I kind of had a feeling like,
I don't know if this is going to be the same thing.
And sure enough, it was. Didn't have a story mode. Only had a versus.

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I don't believe I downloaded this game. It was like a free game for some reason.
Yeah, it was a free game. I have the Champion Edition. Champion Edition is great.
I'll get to that. But I never played it.
You never played it? I downloaded... There's so many games I do that with and
just haven't played it yet. Probably did one round, said, alright, I'm done.
Yeah it's again it kind of it kind of tailors off of what Street Fighter 4 is

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it has a bit better mechanics and.
But I will say Street Fighter V, aesthetically, how it looks,
like the shading and a little more darks that they have, I think it's a better looking game.
Although a lot of people say it looks the same, which I can't disagree with.
Right. Right. Because, I mean, the sprites kind of look fairly similar.

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But I think the shading and the coloring of the game kind of gives it a bit
more of a nuance or more of a sense of urgency.
Yeah. You know what I mean? and street fighter 4 was a very light colored game
dealing with like fighting and all the rest of good stuff and if you look at
fighting fighting is more of like a either you know it's a serious moment you

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know and i do like the colors and shading for it the story was terrible oh god awful,
well it's 2016 so yeah most stories are just yeah generic at this point yeah
so i don't know i think so going back to street fighter 4 i think abel was actually
the main character in that one enable was a character that was made in the factory

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i can't remember the the psycho.
The psycho powers that bison has
right so he was made so if you didn't know like a lot of people were being cloned
with that type of power bison was the only one that was the at that time was
the only one that was like a perfect clone and then you had seth which i think

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seth was like a different being in itself,
but I think was being made in that era or in that same department that you had
Abel, who was a failed experiment and escaped.
So is this info we can find in the movies or?
Find in the game. The game, okay, so the game tells you, okay.

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Yeah, surprisingly enough.
If you go to any of the Marvel vs. Capcom or the Marvel Super Heroes or the
crossover games, you have no clue what the fuck's going on. You're just playing it.
You just got to depict it yourself.
That's how I feel about most games that I'm fighting games out of play.
I wasn't deep into searching for the lore.
I just played the game and whatever info it told me. Back then,

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you found them in Nintendo Power. Was it GamePro?
Was it GamePro? Could have been. Something named GamePro. I'm sure.
It was GamePro, and there was, like, Electronic Monthly. Yes. That one.
You know, you found all the lore and that type of stuff. Or in the instruction
manual, if you were lucky enough to get it.
If you're lucky enough to have it. And it, excuse me, if it stayed intact.

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Because, you know, a lot of bathroom visits with reading.
You know what I mean? Yes. So, but yeah, Abel was the main character in that one.
And I think 5 Shahid is the main character in this one.
Like I said, the story is awful, but we're not going to get into that.
If anyone wants to deal, deal with the heartache and the terribleness of the

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voice acting and all the rest of
that good stuff, you can go watch that on YouTube, play the game yourself.
However, the character selection, amazing. There's a lot of characters in that game.
The mechanics got better and better and better as, as the game went on.
I played a little bit as as
it went on and then once it got to the champion edition

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added four other characters another another
crossover which was Akira from rival schools mm-hmm Rivals cool is a great game
it was it was a really well-made game at the end the end where all the patches
were in all the all the mechanics have been tweaked some were added some were taken out.

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The overall prowess of Street Fighter V was really good at the end.
Unfortunately, kind of like with Street Fighter IV, unfortunately,
they all were really good at the end.
Now we got Street Fighter VI. Again, that's left a bad taste in my mouth.
But in an overall sense, that game came out blazing.

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It got a 9 out of 10 Metacritic.
9 out of 10. You trust those? I don't trust them. I really don't.
I really don't but i think it's a
user experience thing i think i also think it's a user experience
because we always look for something different from something and i'm
not the one i'm not a guy that's sitting here and be like oh this guy
said that this game is terrible so i'm not gonna even do it like no that's not

(01:21:18):
how that works you play the game yourself to see if you like it there's a lot
of games that i play that i'm like oh this game is great fallout 76 is one i
love fallout 76 i recently downloaded that on xbox they had it for free and
i was like oh riot it's so good Let's check this out.
Like a lot of people are like, oh, well, it's online.
What if people try to kill me
and take my stuff? Mitch, that's part of the game. You go kill them back.

(01:21:41):
Right. And you take their stuff. You know what I mean? Just like stop, you know?
And you had the capability later on down the road.
I'm not saying at the beginning of the game, but later on down the road,
you had the capability to have a world of your own and played in that.
Now, should they have come out with that beforehand? Yeah, of course.
Because a lot of people probably didn't want to play with people.

(01:22:03):
People wanted to play it like it was Fallout 4. Fallout 4, right.
And, you know, you had people who were like, oh, this game's boring.
There's nothing in it. This, that, and the third.
And I think a lot of people just don't understand, like, it's an MMO.
Right. Do you realize that MMOs don't have everything in the game?
No, they don't. i.e. Final Fantasy XIV, when they came out with their first

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base game, they had the base game and whatever they put into it.
And if you played that thing over and over again, it got boring.
But then it added more stuff.
Oh, get it together, people. Get it together. They'll get there.
I think. Not after what I've experienced this week. I don't know.
I initially found out about 76 and the online thing.

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It did kind of turn me off but i've seen
the updates over time and realizing that there is
more of a bigger single player
element just go ahead and give it a try yeah it's
um and you know they they had fail-safe things
like say for instance someone tried to god we're
getting off topic here but it's great you know say if someone tried

(01:23:09):
to actually like have combat with you well if
they're hitting you like you'll lose like a sliver of life
but it'll just regenerate right if you don't combat
with them you know what i mean i mean obviously you know someone dropped the
nuke on you you were you were over with you know what i mean yes but you know
if they tried to try to combat with you like you you and you didn't mind it

(01:23:31):
or you paid no mind to it like nothing happened to you you didn't lose any of
your stuff you didn't die nothing.
Now just people are like i just want to do that and now look the game came out
and then now Now everyone's getting Fallout 4 and Fallout 76.
How does that fucking work? Like, oh yeah, I've been playing this game for a
while. Well, I played it since it came out, so don't tell me nothing.

(01:23:53):
When I looked, I think it came out what? Fallout 4 came out in 2015?
Mm-hmm. No, no, Fallout 4 came out in 2014, 2015. I was like, holy cow.
It's a great game. Yes. Fallout 4's great.
2015, November 10, 2015.
Back to Street Fighter. Sorry, this is my alpha text. So, were we at Street

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Fighter 5? Yeah, Street Fighter 4 and 5, great games at the end.
Obviously, Street Fighter 5.
Street Fighter 4 and 5 were really big tournament games as well. Mm-hmm.
And now we have Street Fighter VI, like I said, coming out the gate,
blazing. 9 out of 10 Metacritic. I mean, mechanically, it's a great game.
And this is being totally unbiased. It's a great game. The characters, their models are great.

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The starting characters that they picked, I think, were awesome.
It wasn't the same characters over and over like it had been years prior.
I think that they did a really good job at making it diverse.
They did a really good job with their season one pass which I have and I need
to download and get that on my game and their season two pass like I said to

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you earlier they added the two SNK characters.
And that also was going to be a huge I think a huge setup for maybe Capcom vs.
SNK which we'll get into that series in a little bit Capcom vs.
SNK 3 possibly maybe so we got the fighting collection for Marvel vs.
Capcom which could give us the next Marvel vs. Capcom game but now we have SNK

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characters in a Capcom game? In the mainline Street Fighter game?
You don't have that in any of those SNK games. There might be something there.
But Street Fighter 6 I believe has set up a lot of things for not only for crossovers
but just the next game to come which would be God knows when.

(01:25:50):
Also the The creativity in that game is actually really good too.
I think besides Drive Impact, oh God.
But I think that this has been the most creative Street Fighter that I've played.
And again, this is being biased aside. Although, like I said,
I hate the drive impact. That's what really kind of turned me off from the game originally.

(01:26:11):
But seeing that they got these new characters and stuff like that,
I'd really want to try Akuma.
So I might, at some point, hopefully this week, I'll probably try to get on that and do it.
Yeah, I think as a whole, Street Fighter series is great. The Street Fighter
crossover series is great. We did leave out Street Fighter vs. Tekken.
I think that came out in, like, what, 2009, 2010, something like that.

(01:26:34):
Is that even on the list here? Oh, shit.
Didn't even know they had a Street Fighter version. Mm-hmm, on PS3 and 360. Only came out on that.
Yeah, it had the 2D element of Street Fighter IV, Street Fighter V,
but had the mechanics, the tag mechanics of Tekken. Okay.

(01:26:54):
2012. 2012, I was off by a couple years.
Ps3 xbox 360 and then
eventually it came to windows and what
if they still sell it on station vita i wonder if
they still sell on vetoes i don't know vetoes windows i
heard you say vita and then i said vetoes let

(01:27:16):
me see is it on steam still because i might pick that up i know it's a a pretty
pretty decent game a lot of people a lot of people liked it yeah it is on here
it is on steam i'm gonna have to put that in my oh no.
Says we are temporarily disabling the purchase option on steam while we investigate

(01:27:41):
the matter further hmm so so basically there's an issue with some customers
experiencing during the game installation which is related to the game for Windows Live.
I wonder if you, because I'm thinking about picking up a Series X. Yeah.
You know how much I can get it for right now? How much? $350.

(01:28:04):
Literally $349.
Really? After tax. Wow. $349 after tax. First off, you must be reading my mind.
No. $349 after tax. That's funny.
That's like over, it's over like $100 off. off so i
i may i may pick it up

(01:28:24):
and i think i'm gonna try to see if you can get it off of that because
i know tech and tag 2 you can get off
of the xbox store on there and it's the only only way you can play tech and
tag 2 hd the only way with like the best 1080 1080 graphics yeah where we at
where we at oh we're just going over what we just finished street fighter street

(01:28:46):
yeah tech Street Fighter 1st, yeah.
I mean, Street Fighter 2, man, we don't really got to go all into that one.
It's just another, again, it's another Street Fighter. It's basically Street
Fighter 4 with, like I said, Tekken Tag or Tekken Tag mechanics. Yeah.
So I guess what was the next one we're going into?
Super Smash Brothers. Oh, shit.

(01:29:07):
1999 on the Nintendo 64. Super Smash Brothers.
So I only played the first two, Super Smash
Brothers brothers and you didn't play brawl
no what i did not
brawl is i mean brawl is up there i think
do you have ultimate no we

(01:29:29):
have ultimate we'll we'll we'll get it to you nephew didn't
snag it from niece's boyfriend you never
gave it back brawl what is this on the we their
sweat the we the we okay yeah i
didn't get all is great i didn't get a we to like
years later we i never
i really only bought the we to play older zelda games

(01:29:52):
fair fair and you
know what says you didn't watch the direct did you know there's a
new lynx awakening coming out no i did not know that yes you can actually play
as zelda really yeah it's called legends of zelda wisdom of wisdom of echoes
goes okay so this this is if i think it's an if story i'm not sure or i don't

(01:30:12):
know if it's part of the timeline i think it's an if story from what i've saw
but i'll have to do a double check but,
basically when you fight who was it at that time was an agonem agonem agonem
was in lake at least a link to the past there you go agonem or you got don't

(01:30:33):
the names are weird okay yeah Yeah.
But it's the elephant the pig looking dude yeah was
also in link's awakening okay when you
go to the dark world no no no that's like that that's the
length of the past is when remember remember when you
get washed up on that island for the one on game boy when
you get washed up on the island and you're at this and you have

(01:30:55):
to wake up the wind fish okay you
might not know that one no okay that was on game boy and
game boy color okay i think it also ported over to game boy
advanced okay so game boy games i
didn't really play many okay well
funny that you say that too because i mean we mentioned that because
you remember you you'd uh dedicated this to

(01:31:16):
lamar for the beginning of this also lamar was
the one introduced me to lynx awakening because he came home from school one
day and i was home and this is when we
were living in maryland at the time so mom and dad hadn't seen
each other yet so he came he
came home and he was like hey i guess what i have behind my back but
you got to pick which hand it's in i was like oh god that

(01:31:37):
one and i picked the wrong one oh no and
i was like ah he goes nope ego and it was it was
lynx awakening because you know i love zelda and i was like oh i mean
that links yeah links awakening so i played it and it was it was great it's
a great game i mean you know it got re-released on the switch yeah
and then a handful of zelda games.
Were re-released yeah a lot

(01:31:59):
of them actually so basically with this
one for the which wisdom of echoes or echoes of
wisdom however you want to put it basically what
ends up happening is ganon or agonim whatever
his name is actually like cast some power when
he got killed right and took half the world with him or a part of the world

(01:32:19):
with him and link got stuck in it so that link now is is nowhere to be found
and now you are zelda traversing this world oh no i I don't know if it's the
same rebuilt world as Link's Awakening or if it's different.
I didn't look at too much of the details.
But yeah, you get to be Zelda. And you have this table that you can use,

(01:32:41):
the magic table, and you can craft things.
I think, I'm not sure. I have to go back and redo it again. But you can jump
on it to get on certain things.
Yeah, they do with Breath of the Wild 2. Yeah, kind of like that.
But yeah, you can do a lot of different things. So it's still a top-down Link's Awakening.
Okay or or Link to the Past or,

(01:33:03):
what's the other one A Link Between Worlds mm-hmm but yeah you get to you get
to be Zelda which I believe might be the first Zelda game that you can be Zelda
yeah I think so I think so yeah you're always Link I think so but yeah where
are we at Smash Brothers yeah Super Smash Brothers 99 on the N64 so um.

(01:33:24):
Think this is the only one that actually actually carries a lot of weight to be honest with you,
don't i'm not i'm not taking anything away from the other ones
but this was the one that brought everybody together you know what i mean yeah
like this was the game where you either gained or lost friends yes all the other
ones it really didn't matter unless you played melee and you did tournaments

(01:33:46):
but i mean that's neither here nor there we're not here to do tournaments not for
melee anyway but that was one that you had really good moments you had really
funny moments you know actually story about that when mom bought re and i or
bought all of us smash brothers actually it wasn't just re and i it was just
all of us well you guys got that or re got the n64,

(01:34:09):
i thought the n64 was all of ours so you just you just had all the other game
systems in the room and we just got to have one yes which was fine because we
played a lot of good games on that.
You know did you know mom played smash brothers
with us no didn't i know that it was one
time yeah but that was a great time this is
the first time i ever played video games with her and she was

(01:34:33):
like oh let me see let me sit down and play with you we're kind of
looking at her like what's the issue yeah yeah and what not even in
the catch is like are you sure you're our mother like what's
going on here you don't play games you don't play games but
yeah it was that one time we played and i was kirby and
i don't remember who she was that's funny she kept
walking off the edge but then sure which way

(01:34:54):
how the thumbsticks work yeah and then we were telling her she should know how
to do it and she finally got it after like dying like 60 million times but that
was the first time was the first time that i got to play games with her and
that was really cool good i enjoyed that i enjoyed that it's like that are great
moments like that are great yes Yes.
Yes. And people that say, oh, video games are a waste of time. It's a waste of time.

(01:35:19):
It can be. I'm not going to say it's not. It can be. Because sometimes I want to escape reality.
You know what I mean? Sometimes I just be like, you know what? I don't want to be here.
I didn't ask to be here. And I don't want to be here. You know what I mean?
Yeah. So I'm going to play a game.
Play a game, work on that hand-eye coordination. nation right right
and if you guys didn't know that it actually slows the

(01:35:40):
onset of dementia if you play video games so get
that brain working yeah some games make your mind work yeah
you don't have to you don't have to do a crossword or
do a thousand piece puzzle you can literally play
a game for five minutes and call it a day but yeah it was
great you know like you said bringing everyone into
the room to play the near deaths seeing how many times you can make it back

(01:36:06):
of the platform with your i guess what was it like a hit point levels like at
400 yeah i think it was like 250 to 300 which was like like the super danger
zone like you were already in the danger zone by like 85.
And then, I don't know, it was just fun beating each other up.
Can you do combo moves? I mean, you have like a three hit. You can throw something.

(01:36:28):
Yeah, you can throw things. You could throw the characters.
You had like a three hit button. You just hit A, A, A, and then you just had a little thingy.
And then some characters like Fox or Link or who else?
Samus. Samus, Fox, Link, Ness. If you kept tapping A, you had like a little speed hit with that.
But you had like a disadvantage because you

(01:36:50):
couldn't move you know so it
was a good man and the same with melee yeah it
was fun see falcon falcon
falcon falcon falcon kick megatron blast
deck the one player element
was somewhat i don't

(01:37:12):
say lame but what for what for
which one super smash brothers just doing the one player going
through and beating all the levels i guess
also you didn't play brawl then no brawls oh
my god brawls one player i just played the story yeah you you gotta play brawl
i think i have it i think i have it somewhere i'll lend it to you if that's

(01:37:36):
the case what is that on it's on we we okay that's right you have a we still
yeah okay Okay, I think I have it.
I just gotta find batteries for my controllers.
Okay, fair. But I think it's called the Missionary Subspace or something like that.
Let me check it out. I don't want the Smash Brothers people to kill me if I got that wrong.

(01:37:59):
Brawl was released in 2008. Let's see.
Super Smash Brothers finally came to 3DS and Wii U in 2014.
Subspace Emissary. That's what it is. Okay.
It's probably one of the greatest Smash Bros. one-player games.
It's amazing. So it's a beat-em-up. Yeah.

(01:38:21):
It's a beat-em-up and a Smash Bros. fight all in one.
Really? Yeah. You can travel. You have to go through, obviously,
find the magic doors. There's multiple magic doors on each board.
So you're going to different spots each time. So if you don't have to go through
the same door, you can go to a different door.
It's great because you got the little minions you fight and all

(01:38:44):
the rest of the good stuff some of them are pretty tough and then
you get to the boss battles or like the character battles and
it's a smash brothers fight at that point it's good
it's good it's good give it a check and then ultimate came out in 2018 you already
had like 60 plus characters right off right off rip oh wow yeah i mean obviously

(01:39:05):
you had to you had to do your due diligence and put time into it and then Unlocked.
Yeah. Unlocks and stuff like that.
Had two fighter passes. Oh, did it? Mm-hmm. Had two fighter passes.
Did some Street Fighter characters.
Did some S&K. Did an S&K character.
Did a Persona character. We had Piranha Plant. Minecraft characters.

(01:39:28):
They brought Sora from Kingdom Hearts into the game. Mm-hmm. Hot take.
Terrible pick, in my opinion. but the smash brothers community
would probably have my head right they heard this i don't
care send location i will meet you i will meet you oh it's funny just because
i'm a beer two beers in does not mean anything i will say this when i don't

(01:39:51):
have beers in me that's it for super smash brothers no but tell me tell me tell
me one good time about smash brothers one good memory that
you got. I have one. Besides mom.
I have one. They kind of just blend together.
Just more. I have one. Go ahead.
So, do you remember your buddy Dominique? Yeah. Have you heard from him first off? Not in a long time.

(01:40:15):
Hmm. He kind of went on a different path. Did he go, he went in the military,
didn't he? I know his dad was a military guy. Well, anyway.
I remember when I was watching y'all play Smash Brothers.
And I was, I think I just learned how to ride a bike. Wait, no,
did I? Yeah, I just learned how to ride the bike because Dominic actually taught me how to do it.
So I'm riding the bike, and then I get done, and I come watch you guys play.

(01:40:38):
Well, I'm just going to say it for the sake of the conversation.
Obviously, I'm not going to throw this out there.
Yeah. But I remember y'all were playing, and I think it was either you or Jackie
that had picked up the bomb.
And Dominic goes, Nick has got it. oh my god you just see you just see this bump get sent,

(01:41:05):
across the way and then someone flying off the stage i was like yo oh my lord that i yeah i i,
off who says that right so i'm

(01:41:26):
just like oh man that's this is this is great this
is good stuff but yeah that was one of the one of the fondest memories
i had about that and then when me and steve would play we put all the bombs
and we'll put it on high and just like just be chucking bombs at people or at
each other but yeah it was that's funny times we had good times good times on
smash brothers you know how i had to i mean i never really beat you too much in smash brothers,

(01:41:52):
but the one thing i did to try to train to get better was that i would i would
do a team battle and i would do three cpus against me i would put them all on
level nine thinking i would get good.
Still got my ass beat i wonder i
don't know if i ever did that put the cpu on

(01:42:14):
because i did that all the time and the cpu become
predictable i don't remember i
just remember getting my ass beat a lot so i mean
there's been a couple times where i had one and i would
put them all on like five we put us at five stock but yeah
i remember a couple times i would have won but not very often but
you know i would you know think about it like okay this is what i need to do

(01:42:37):
the next time this happens i'll just think of stuff and yeah still didn't win
so i guess that was a waste you did I'm sure yeah not often if I did it was
very rare I remember having the battles and just remember you know.
The high hit point count and trying not to fall off the edge yeah it was good

(01:42:57):
it was a good game that's a very good game i think the older ones are older
ones are my favorite i like ultimate though ultimate is good too but i think
there's a i don't know because i played it on dave's,
on on his switch and he has like the gamecube controllers
i think there is a lag in those
controllers could be i wouldn't doubt it but then

(01:43:18):
you know i play it i played it somewhere else and i'm
playing it on like the actual 64 console no
no the the the new one the
ultimate and i actually played on the switch with the
actual switch controllers yeah and it seems like
it's very responsive so i'm just like yeah there's
something up here there's something up because i played dave i'm like man there's a

(01:43:38):
lag you can try no you're just not good i'm just not good you're
right i'm not good i wonder yeah i wonder if
they have a setting for latency i think i
think there is a setting for latency he's just
so used to it he doesn't play it like that anymore it's just like okay well
then again i thought tv size because
i ran into this issue playing a different game gran turismo i played it on like

(01:44:02):
a 43 inch you know then we switched and i played it in the other room for some
reason on a 55 inch and it was just the car behaved differently i was like wow
wow, this is really strange.
So I'm sure it's a latency issue. Yeah. I don't know if it's a TV, though.
It's only like, it's like a 40-incher for a 40, 48, something like that.

(01:44:23):
Mm-hmm. I don't know, maybe.
Sure, there'll be someone in the comments will let us know. The next game.
Killer Instinct, came out in 94.
Yeah, this is you, baby. I don't know too much about Killer Instinct.
I may have played it, like, twice. Let's see. Then Killer Instinct 2 came out in 96.
And, you know, not having, like, what we talked about earlier,
Nintendo Power or GamePro, not GamePro, but...

(01:44:46):
Electronic Monthly. I think GamePro was another one, too, to be honest with
you. I know PC Gamer, but...
Yeah, that was your jam. I did not get into the, hey, they give out free demos.
I was like, sure. They did. Sign me up. They did.
But again, I wasn't into the lore. I just took whatever the game gave me and
just played the game to beat story mode.

(01:45:07):
This was one I really stayed away from because I was still like a Mortal Kombat fanboy.
And then either someone had the game and I just started playing it.
I was like, hey, this game isn't that bad.
So was it did you play killer instant gold on the 64 i want to say i did eventually

(01:45:27):
i'm pretty sure someone had it then i guess they tried to reboot it in 2013
they did actually on on xbox one right,
yes yeah so it is a free game i don't know if you knew that oh you can download
it obviously it's the same thing about characters if you want to unlock your
character you gotta pay them,
however they just came out i think the end of last year end of last year maybe

(01:45:49):
Maybe either last year or the year before, they actually updated that game very hard. Oh, wow.
Very hard. That's crazy. Yeah, like an overhaul on characters.
So it's kind of like a fresh coat of paint.
So, you know, the developers did that. Well, the only sad thing about it is
because, I mean, it's a historic franchise.

(01:46:12):
Microsoft is not doing anything with it. Yeah, I don't know about Microsoft.
I haven't done a deep dive. i always keep seeing microsoft this
and that you know they don't want to make games they don't make consoles not
too sure why buy all these developers companies they'd be like yeah so i don't

(01:46:33):
know yeah well i mean when we get we can touch on that in a minute,
yeah killer instinct i only played like a little bit of
it i think i played i played a gold on 64 back in 2012 2013 i had no clue what
the fuck i was doing like i'm trying to figure out like how to do combos buddy
of mine at the time we were playing and he's like oh it's really easy i'm like

(01:46:56):
well if it's easy why don't you tell me about it you know but he's beat my ass steadily.
I don't know his killer instinct just never really i
never really caught my eye so to speak the characters really didn't
speak i mean jayco would probably be the only one i could think of that
like is a cool looking character but other
than that like it just wasn't the tone

(01:47:18):
of the game wasn't for me at the time but i was younger and
you know when you're younger things are dark and weary
and all this stuff you kind of tend to stay away from what i did anyway until
i got older and i was like okay it's not that bad but i mean overall it's a
good game i did play the xbox one version too and it's not bad it's actually

(01:47:38):
it actually plays really smooth it's really well well, I'm just not going to play,
I'm not going to download those characters and play that money.
Because if they're not going to do anything else to it, there's no sense in
doing that for me. So let's take your money. Right.
So, I kind of went back and forth. And this is more the next two.

(01:47:59):
Well, I guess it was the same.
Boxing. I was like. You can get into boxing now. I was like.
So, I remember I had Knockout Kings 99.
And then they called it Knockout Series. And eventually around 2004,
they changed it into Fight Night.
And it was just your, I guess, updated version of the boxing game.

(01:48:20):
Mm-hmm having license licensed boxers
in the game was cool mm-hmm learning how to do you know your hooks uppercuts
no you did the stick did you do the stick yeah yeah same same I think there's
this bit a bit more immersive that way and you know of course your lovely one-player

(01:48:42):
story build your way up to the ranks I,
think that's how the knuckle King series was like you were ranked 50th and you
You just keep fighting up and up.
By the time Fight Night came around, I think they kind of put you in a story mode.
Yeah. The first Fight Night came out in 2004.
I recently picked up Fight Night Champion. That came out in 2011 for the PS3.

(01:49:06):
And it's like a former, you were in prison.
Oh, shit. Then you come out and be a boxer. I got real on that one. Yeah.
That was interesting. scenes. Then, of course, you have your lovely Punch-Out
games that everyone has played.
Yeah, Punch-Out. Punch-Out was good. I liked Punch-Out. I know the latest one
came out on the Wii, I think. Yes, 2009.

(01:49:28):
Punch-Out wasn't bad. I don't know. I just really get the boxing games too much.
I mean, no wonder we played them.
Steve was really big into the Fight Night. I think Round 2 was his favorite one.
I played a lot of Round 2 with him, but I didn't really get into the boxing too much.
Yeah, I can see that. well i mean fighting games i
mean boxing is fighting games all right it's in that genre but that

(01:49:50):
one specifically i don't know i just don't think again i mean i guess you could
get some creativity off of it but i guess you know with 2d fighting and then
going into something that's more realistic i just couldn't wrap my brain around
that yeah i think what was it the the Knockout series.
Then they had you be the corner man.

(01:50:13):
Oh, yeah. And you do the cuts. Yeah.
That actually was pretty cool.
Yeah, this was pretty cool. I liked that. Then we have Dreamcast did a more
animated approach, the Ready to Rumble series. That was a good game.
Yeah. That was a good game. A little different spin on it, more I guess cartoon-like,

(01:50:36):
I guess you could say. Mm-hmm.
Kind of like Kind of like Punch-Out!! I would say in terms of Punch-Out!!
But just realistic. More of a realism in boxing.
I know they came with one with Dreamcast and the second one came out on 64 and PlayStation, correct?
Or did the first one come out on PlayStation and Dreamcast and the second one came out on 64?

(01:50:58):
That was when you were supporting the Afro with Afro Thunder in it. Yes.
Okay, so Rated Rumble, Dreamcast, Game Boy, 64, PlayStation. Okay.
Not Rated Rumble 2. Then Rated Rumble 2, Dreamcast, 64, PlayStation 2,
Game Boy Advance, and PlayStation.
And playstation wow yeah because

(01:51:19):
i know the playstation the naomi system on playstation
not playstation but uh dreamcast it made it look smoother so
it wasn't really like it wasn't
it didn't really look well on the playstation because again
playstation was really good with with rendering polygons
yeah and anything else after that like i mean let's be
real look at look at the playstation playstation 2

(01:51:41):
look at the original xbox and just those two
games alone those systems along with the original xbox
and say madden for instance correct madden on
ps2 madden 06 on ps2 madden
06 on xbox it looks so
much better on the xbox yes so much i would agree i think it just had i don't

(01:52:03):
know what the issue was i really don't yeah i remember i remember we played
it played ready to rumble on both the dreamcast and playstation and it just
it was night and day it It was a night and day difference.
PlayStation just was just too clunky and all this good stuff.
And Dreamcast was just smooth, super smooth.
And the final game that I have on my list is the Def Jam Vendetta.

(01:52:26):
Oh shit. Def Jam Fight for New York.
Those are the only two that I played.
And Def Jam Icon, I did not play. I did not play that either.
I heard it wasn't well received. So it was a good thing that we didn't play it. Yeah.
So I kind of went back and forth. I wasn't sure if they put wrestling on here,
but we can do a different wrestling episode later.

(01:52:49):
But I didn't put Def Jam because it reminded me of THQ, who did the beginning
wrestling games. Yeah, W versus NWO. Yes.
Speaking of which, I don't know what happened to my AEW fight forever.
I have no clue where that is, so I have to rebuy it again.
I was going to say, well, I think it was last month. It was a PS Plus exclusive,

(01:53:10):
so you can download it from there. I think I did, but I still want the physical edition. I'm a weirdo.
I still like having physical things. I got stacks of games. Yes.
But now they're just your, what are we calling it?
Not access point, but just, it's almost like there's nothing on them anymore.

(01:53:31):
Yeah, it's just like, you know, you get the base data on it.
But that's all I need. Just because if the net goes down and I want to play
a game, I don't need all the updates. I'd just go ahead and uninstall it,
reinstall it again, and just put the base data on there. Just play it that way.
Yeah, I guess you could do that.
But Def Jam, it was an interesting time. Hip-hop was the thing that was everywhere.

(01:53:52):
I guess also it was cool to see, I guess, the artists that you would listen to in a fighting game.
But I've got the ashy knuckles. We're going to do this Confederate style.
Man, some of those people said the weirdest things. Yes, but it was funny.
I wouldn't say it's, you know, it's not like a street fight or anything,

(01:54:16):
but it's something to make you laugh and have a good time.
Yeah, it was a good one. All those finishing moves and fighting styles.
I mean, which, I mean, it was very similar to, like I said, like you mentioned,
all the other THQ games that came out.
But i liked it i liked it a lot it was the the
story mode was actually pretty good too i don't remember it but i remember it

(01:54:36):
being good you have to look at it yeah it was something that can be like oh
okay made sense wasn't cheesy no it wasn't it wasn't it had some type of it
has some type of like substance to it son of a gun but yeah do you have any honorable mentions,
that you can think of no not besides any
naming any wrestling games like that

(01:54:58):
like i can mention some of the games that are out now that
are pretty big a lot of a lot of the fighting games i play are anime fighters
more or less than anything now and those have different properties than the
traditional 2d fighters but yeah i think sticking with the with the originals
for the time being was probably the best but some of my honorable mentions i

(01:55:18):
have is uh the melty blood series.
Dragon ball fighters and we can probably in the comment section if you want
us to touch on some Some of the anime fighters, if you want us to have an anime
fighter session, we can do that.
Yeah, there's a Melty Blood, Dragon Ball FighterZ, Granblue Fantasy Versus,
which is actually pretty good.
So Granblue Fantasy Versus is more of a Street Fighter game because it's nothing

(01:55:43):
but footsies like Street Fighter. Yeah.
And it's medieval times, basically. Interesting. Yeah, it's actually pretty good. I like it.
You got... What are some other games I'm playing right now?
What's the other one that I've been playing hard? Because Melty Blood is one I play very hard.

(01:56:03):
And then you got King of Fighters. We didn't touch on the SNKs at all,
but I think some of the SNK games that I have played are up there in honorable mentions.
But yeah, I think there's a lot of them we could have touched on, I'm sure.
Well, BlazBlue, BlazBlue is another one. I remember playing the first one back
in 2009 when it first came out, it was a very different anime fighter from all the others.

(01:56:31):
And I think if BlazBlue wasn't invented, we wouldn't have all these other anime fighters that we got.
Like Under Night, Under Night's another one that I play quite often and that's
Chef's kiss. Fini. Fini.
If you guys want us to touch an Anime Fighters session of a podcast, we can do that.

(01:56:52):
We definitely can. We've got a plethora of information on that.
A lot of hours played. Drop us a line.
What's the new term? Like and subscribe.
Yes, sir.
Boy. boy well thank you guys for listening this was a big one yeah and probably

(01:57:15):
that's just a fraction of fighting games yeah yeah there's the fraction.

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