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September 4, 2025 • 40 mins

Explore the hidden world of psychological manipulation with host Erika Barker. In this explosive episode of The Gray Files, we continue in this 3 part series to uncover how algorithms and psychological tactics are used on a massive scale to shape your beliefs, memories, and desires. Drawing on the shocking experiments of mentalist Derren Brown, this podcast reveals the precise techniques of Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP), environmental priming, and emotional anchoring. Learn how these 'mind hackers' subtly engineer religious conversions, political radicalization, and even rewrite your memories. Understand the industrial scale of behavioral modification happening on social media platforms like Facebook, Instagram, and Tiktok, and why the line between authentic consciousness and engineered trance is blurring. Don't just consume content; understand how it's consuming you. This episode is a crucial guide to recognizing social media, and marketing manipulation and building your defenses. Tune in to understand the deep mechanics behind the attention wars and how they're affecting you.

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Speaker: Welcome back to episode sixteen of The Gray Files, where we peel (00:03):
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Speaker: back the layers of technology, economics, data science, and (00:09):
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Speaker: even the human condition itself, all in an effort to try and (00:15):
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Speaker: understand this vast and often perplexing world we live in. (00:20):
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Speaker: I'm your host, Eric Barker, and (00:25):
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Speaker: tonight we're continuing our (00:28):
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Speaker: three part series on the (00:30):
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Speaker: attention wars by diving into (00:32):
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Speaker: something that will challenge (00:35):
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Speaker: how you think about your own (00:37):
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Speaker: mind. (00:40):
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Speaker: The dark art of psychological manipulation, and how reality (00:41):
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Speaker: itself can be rewritten without you ever knowing it happened. (00:46):
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Speaker: In our last episode, we watched (00:52):
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Speaker: Charlie and Rachel Patterson, (00:55):
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Speaker: twins who once seemed (00:57):
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Speaker: inseparable. (01:00):
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Speaker: Pulled apart until they became enemies. (01:02):
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Speaker: The force that drove that (01:06):
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Speaker: transformation was algorithmic (01:07):
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Speaker: manipulation. (01:11):
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Speaker: Tonight we are looking at the (01:13):
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Speaker: techniques that make such (01:15):
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Speaker: changes possible. (01:17):
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Speaker: To do that, we turn to Derren (01:20):
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Speaker: Brown, the British mentalist (01:23):
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Speaker: whose work shows just how (01:26):
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Speaker: vulnerable the human mind really (01:29):
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Speaker: is. (01:32):
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Speaker: Now, a quick word before we dive in. (01:34):
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Speaker: If you hold your faith close, (01:37):
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Speaker: this next story may feel (01:40):
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Speaker: uncomfortable. (01:42):
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Speaker: I say that as someone who is deeply religious myself. (01:44):
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Speaker: I am a practicing Buddhist. (01:47):
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Speaker: My goal is not to dismiss spirituality. (01:50):
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Speaker: But what happened in this experiment is simply too (01:53):
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Speaker: important to ignore. (01:57):
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Speaker: So in twenty twelve, Darren Brown met Natalie, a committed (02:00):
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Speaker: atheist from London. (02:07):
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Speaker: Through conversation alone, without drugs or actors, he (02:09):
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Speaker: guided her into what she described as a religious (02:16):
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Speaker: conversion in a quiet church, lit only by candles and colored (02:19):
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Speaker: by stained glass. (02:26):
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Speaker: She began to cry. (02:28):
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Speaker: I asked God for forgiveness and declared her love for Jesus. (02:31):
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Speaker: The strange part is that Brown himself does not believe in God. (02:38):
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Speaker: He actually created the (02:46):
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Speaker: experiment to prove that what (02:48):
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Speaker: many people experience as divine (02:50):
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Speaker: can be reproduced through (02:54):
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Speaker: Psychology. (02:56):
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Speaker: That fact alone raises a terrifying question if a short (02:58):
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Speaker: conversation can alter someone's most deeply held beliefs, what (03:03):
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Speaker: else about us can be rewritten? (03:10):
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Speaker: Part one the impossible made routine. (03:16):
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Speaker: Many people think hypnosis is (03:24):
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Speaker: nothing more than silly stage (03:27):
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Speaker: tricks. (03:29):
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Speaker: Someone on stage flaps their arms like a chicken. (03:31):
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Speaker: The crowd laughs and we walk (03:35):
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Speaker: away convinced only fools fall (03:37):
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Speaker: for it. (03:40):
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Speaker: That reaction helps us protect (03:41):
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Speaker: the idea that our thoughts are (03:43):
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Speaker: our own. (03:47):
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Speaker: The truth is more unsettling. (03:49):
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Speaker: Brown's work shows that the mind is full of openings. (03:52):
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Speaker: It can be entered, shaped and (03:58):
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Speaker: guided by anyone who knows the (04:01):
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Speaker: entry points. (04:03):
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Speaker: Consider his famous experiment with actor Simon Pegg. (04:05):
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Speaker: Pegg privately wrote down the gift he most wanted for his (04:10):
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Speaker: birthday, sealed the note and handed it over. (04:15):
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Speaker: His choice was a leather jacket. (04:19):
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Speaker: Twenty minutes later, after what looked like casual small talk, (04:23):
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Speaker: Pegg announced that his true wish was for a red BMX bicycle. (04:29):
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Speaker: And that was the exact answer Brown wanted. (04:37):
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Speaker: The jacket was forgotten. (04:42):
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Speaker: Now that conversation was anything but casual. (04:45):
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Speaker: Brown had planted words related (04:49):
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Speaker: to cycling into their discussion (04:52):
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Speaker: while repeatedly anchoring those (04:55):
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Speaker: ideas with a touch on the same (04:57):
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Speaker: spot. (05:00):
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Speaker: Pegs unconscious mind linked the (05:01):
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Speaker: touch with the idea of a (05:05):
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Speaker: bicycle. (05:08):
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Speaker: And Brown eventually convinced (05:09):
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Speaker: him that the thought was his (05:11):
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Speaker: own. (05:14):
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Speaker: When people dismiss this as a (05:15):
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Speaker: trick or accused a participant (05:17):
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Speaker: of acting, they miss the real (05:19):
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Speaker: lesson. (05:22):
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Speaker: These are the same tools that advertisers, politicians, (05:23):
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Speaker: preachers and media outlets use every day on all of us. (05:29):
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Speaker: Brown is simply honest about what he is doing. (05:35):
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Speaker: Most manipulation happens quietly. (05:39):
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Speaker: Part two the neuro linguistic weapon. (05:44):
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Speaker: To understand how this works. (05:50):
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Speaker: We need to look at (05:53):
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Speaker: Neurolinguistic programming or (05:55):
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Speaker: in. (05:58):
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Speaker: Richard Bandler and John Grinder (06:01):
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Speaker: created in the nineteen (06:04):
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Speaker: seventies after studying three (06:06):
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Speaker: remarkable therapists Fritz (06:08):
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Speaker: Perls, Virginia Satir, and (06:11):
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Speaker: Milton Erickson. (06:14):
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Speaker: Now these three therapists could dissolve trauma, cure phobias, (06:16):
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Speaker: and free people from addictions in a single session. (06:22):
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Speaker: Bandler and grinder wanted to know how. (06:27):
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Speaker: So they studied the exact words, (06:31):
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Speaker: gestures and timing the (06:34):
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Speaker: therapist used. (06:37):
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Speaker: What they discovered was a repeatable system. (06:39):
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Speaker: Human consciousness follows patterns. (06:43):
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Speaker: Once you understand the (06:47):
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Speaker: patterns, you can influence the (06:48):
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Speaker: outcome. (06:52):
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Speaker: Practitioners of NLP learn how (06:54):
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Speaker: to read subtle cues, like how (06:57):
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Speaker: eye movements reveal whether a (07:00):
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Speaker: person is remembering or (07:03):
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Speaker: imagining. (07:05):
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Speaker: Changes in breathing and posture reveal shifts in mental state. (07:07):
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Speaker: By mirroring those patterns, the practitioner creates rapport, (07:13):
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Speaker: then slowly leads the person toward a new state of mind. (07:18):
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Speaker: Language becomes the most powerful tool. (07:25):
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Speaker: Certain phrases slip past (07:28):
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Speaker: conscious thought and reach the (07:30):
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Speaker: unconscious directly. (07:33):
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Speaker: Others confused the mind long enough to lower its guard. (07:35):
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Speaker: Emotional triggers can be set in place and activated later with a (07:41):
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Speaker: single word or gesture. (07:46):
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Speaker: These methods have been tested thousands of times. (07:49):
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Speaker: They do not require belief. (07:55):
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Speaker: They work whether or not the (07:57):
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Speaker: subject notices what is (08:00):
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Speaker: happening. (08:01):
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Speaker: So as you can imagine, Derren (08:03):
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Speaker: Brown is controversial even (08:05):
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Speaker: among skeptics. (08:07):
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Speaker: He spends his career exposing fraudulent psychics. (08:09):
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Speaker: Yet he also demonstrates that (08:13):
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Speaker: suggestion can create (08:16):
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Speaker: experiences so powerful they (08:18):
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Speaker: feel supernatural. (08:22):
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Speaker: And that brings us back to Charlie and Rachael. (08:25):
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Speaker: Now, if Brown can rewrite an atheist faith and an evening and (08:29):
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Speaker: convince Simon Pegg to forget his own birthday wish, imagine (08:35):
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Speaker: what algorithms, armed with billions of data points about (08:41):
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Speaker: us, are able to do. (08:47):
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Speaker: Part three The Architecture of conversion. (08:52):
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Speaker: Let's break down exactly how (08:59):
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Speaker: Derren Brown managed to guide (09:01):
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Speaker: Natalie from firm atheist to (09:03):
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Speaker: trembling believer. (09:07):
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Speaker: Because the techniques revealed (09:09):
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Speaker: the deeper structure behind all (09:10):
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Speaker: ideological conversion. (09:13):
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Speaker: The dramatic moment in the church was only the finale. (09:16):
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Speaker: The real work had been unfolding quietly for weeks, through (09:21):
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Speaker: preparation so subtle that Natalie never once recognised (09:25):
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Speaker: she was being guided. (09:31):
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Speaker: Brown began with something (09:34):
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Speaker: psychologists call environmental (09:36):
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Speaker: priming. (09:38):
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Speaker: He didn't drag Natalie into (09:40):
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Speaker: sermons or confront her with (09:42):
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Speaker: Bible verses. (09:44):
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Speaker: Instead, he slipped sacred (09:45):
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Speaker: imagery into everyday (09:48):
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Speaker: experiences where it seemed (09:50):
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Speaker: harmless. (09:52):
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Speaker: A classical music concert that (09:54):
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Speaker: just happened to be sacred (09:56):
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Speaker: choral work. (09:59):
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Speaker: A gallery tour filled with (10:01):
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Speaker: Renaissance paintings of angels (10:03):
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Speaker: and saints presented as mere art (10:05):
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Speaker: history. (10:09):
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Speaker: Casual conversations about the comfort people find and (10:10):
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Speaker: traditions and rituals. (10:15):
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Speaker: Nothing about this felt like religion being pushed. (10:18):
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Speaker: It was presented as culture, art and casual observation. (10:23):
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Speaker: Yet Natalie's brain was busy stitching connections in the (10:29):
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Speaker: background, linking these images with positive emotions. (10:35):
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Speaker: Pathways were forming without her awareness. (10:41):
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Speaker: Airness. (10:46):
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Speaker: Once her mind was softened by (10:47):
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Speaker: this gentle exposure, Brown (10:49):
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Speaker: moved into emotional (10:52):
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Speaker: preparation. (10:53):
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Speaker: He used conversations that (10:55):
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Speaker: seemed casual, but every word (10:57):
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Speaker: had direction. (11:00):
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Speaker: He asked about childhood memories, regrets, and her (11:02):
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Speaker: hunger for deeper meaning. (11:07):
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Speaker: Slowly, he led her into feelings (11:10):
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Speaker: that often accompany religious (11:13):
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Speaker: awakening, sorrow for past (11:15):
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Speaker: mistakes, the ache for (11:18):
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Speaker: forgiveness, the longing to (11:21):
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Speaker: belong to something larger than (11:23):
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Speaker: herself. (11:25):
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Speaker: Every time Natalie expressed (11:27):
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Speaker: those emotions, Brown reinforced (11:29):
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Speaker: them his tone of voice, his (11:32):
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Speaker: posture, even a simple look of (11:35):
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Speaker: empathy. (11:38):
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Speaker: All of it worked to deepen her experience. (11:39):
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Speaker: And it is here where he layered (11:43):
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Speaker: in his most important tool (11:46):
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Speaker: anchoring. (11:48):
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Speaker: Each time Natalie voiced (11:51):
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Speaker: spiritual yearning, he paired it (11:53):
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Speaker: with a specific sensory cue (11:55):
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Speaker: maybe a gentle touch on the (11:58):
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Speaker: shoulder, maybe a shift in vocal (12:00):
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Speaker: tone. (12:03):
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Speaker: Her unconscious mind began to (12:05):
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Speaker: tie these emotions to those (12:07):
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Speaker: cues. (12:09):
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Speaker: He was laying down psychological (12:10):
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Speaker: tripwires he could trigger (12:13):
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Speaker: later. (12:16):
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Speaker: By the time Brown brought her (12:18):
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Speaker: into the church, the stage was (12:19):
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Speaker: set. (12:22):
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Speaker: The environment did half the work for him. (12:24):
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Speaker: Candlelight quiets the nervous (12:27):
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Speaker: system and nudges the brain (12:30):
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Speaker: toward trance. (12:32):
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Speaker: Centuries of religious history (12:34):
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Speaker: in the stone walls create what (12:36):
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Speaker: psychologists call environmental (12:38):
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Speaker: demand characteristics. (12:41):
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Speaker: Simply being there carries the unconscious expectation that one (12:43):
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Speaker: should feel reverence. (12:49):
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Speaker: All Brown had to do was activate the anchors. (12:51):
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Speaker: He had planted a touch on the (12:55):
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Speaker: shoulder, a certain tone of (12:58):
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Speaker: voice. (13:00):
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Speaker: The cues awakened the emotions. (13:01):
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Speaker: Natalie had rehearsed again and again, surrounded by sacred (13:03):
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Speaker: imagery and history. (13:10):
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Speaker: Her body and mind surrendered to the moment. (13:11):
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Speaker: What followed was powerful and sincere. (13:16):
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Speaker: Natalie collapsed into tears, whispered apologies to God, and (13:21):
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Speaker: declared her love with the full weight of belief. (13:29):
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Speaker: She was not faking. (13:34):
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Speaker: She was feeling every single word. (13:37):
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Speaker: The tragedy is that those feelings had been engineered. (13:42):
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Speaker: They were the result of (13:47):
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Speaker: calculated psychological (13:49):
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Speaker: manipulation. (13:52):
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Speaker: To Natalie, it was divine (13:54):
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Speaker: revelation, but in truth, it was (13:57):
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Speaker: conditioning, rehearsed step by (14:00):
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Speaker: step until the final moment felt (14:04):
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Speaker: inevitable. (14:07):
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Speaker: Part four the Twins transformation revealed. (14:10):
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Speaker: Now we can see Charlie and Rachel Patterson's story with a (14:18):
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Speaker: bit of sharper clarity. (14:24):
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Speaker: What happened to them was not (14:26):
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Speaker: just about being fed different (14:28):
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Speaker: news articles or social media (14:30):
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Speaker: posts. (14:33):
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Speaker: The algorithms guiding their (14:34):
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Speaker: feeds were quietly deploying the (14:36):
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Speaker: same psychological techniques (14:39):
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Speaker: Derren Brown uses in his (14:42):
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Speaker: experiments. (14:44):
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Speaker: Only this time the manipulation (14:45):
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Speaker: was automated and applied at (14:48):
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Speaker: scale to millions of people at (14:51):
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Speaker: once. (14:54):
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Speaker: Charlie's gradual drift into conservatism followed a textbook (14:56):
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Speaker: path of ideological programming. (15:02):
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Speaker: The first step was environmental priming. (15:05):
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Speaker: Algorithms increased his (15:09):
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Speaker: exposure to conservative (15:10):
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Speaker: language and ideas, slipping (15:12):
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Speaker: them into places that felt (15:15):
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Speaker: harmless. (15:17):
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Speaker: An unrelated to politics. (15:19):
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Speaker: A farming video that casually (15:22):
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Speaker: mentioned government (15:24):
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Speaker: regulations. (15:26):
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Speaker: A local news story where (15:28):
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Speaker: conservative voices framed the (15:29):
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Speaker: debate. (15:31):
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Speaker: Posts from friends repeating (15:33):
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Speaker: familiar conservative talking (15:35):
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Speaker: points. (15:38):
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Speaker: None of these, of course, raised alarms. (15:39):
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Speaker: It simply became background noise. (15:42):
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Speaker: And that background noise trained Charlie's brain to (15:45):
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Speaker: connect conservative ideas with feelings of comfort. (15:50):
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Speaker: Problem solving and belonging. (15:56):
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Speaker: The more he saw, the more natural it felt. (16:00):
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Speaker: Then came emotional preparation. (16:05):
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Speaker: The system learned what stirred him economic worries. (16:09):
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Speaker: Resentment over unfairness. (16:14):
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Speaker: Fear of cultural change. (16:17):
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Speaker: Longing for stability. (16:20):
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Speaker: Once those feelings surfaced, (16:24):
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Speaker: his feet answered with (16:26):
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Speaker: Every flare of anxiety or (16:33):
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Speaker: confusion was met with a video (16:35):
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Speaker: through conservative frames, his (16:41):
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Speaker: unconscious mind built the (16:44):
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Speaker: with relief. (16:53):
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Speaker: Rachel experienced the same (16:56):
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Speaker: process, only mirrored in the (16:58):
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Speaker: opposite direction. (17:01):
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Speaker: Her frustrations were tethered to villains on the conservative (17:03):
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Speaker: side, her values were reinforced through progressive activism and (17:07):
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Speaker: liberal narratives that offered meaning and purpose. (17:12):
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Speaker: Her emotions were guided to (17:17):
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Speaker: liberal solutions. (17:21):
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Speaker: Both twins were walking through (17:23):
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Speaker: parallel versions of the same (17:26):
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Speaker: Environmental priming. (17:32):
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Speaker: Emotional preparation. (17:34):
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Speaker: Anchoring techniques identical to those used in religious (17:37):
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Speaker: conversion, cult recruitment and even therapeutic intervention. (17:42):
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Speaker: The crucial twist was that this (17:50):
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Speaker: time there was no individual (17:52):
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Speaker: guide. (17:55):
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Speaker: The orchestrator was an (17:57):
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Speaker: algorithm, learning their (17:59):
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Speaker: weaknesses and feeding them (18:01):
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Speaker: content designed to reshape (18:03):
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Speaker: That is why their (18:08):
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Speaker: transformations felt so (18:10):
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Speaker: Just like Natalie's moment in (18:14):
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Speaker: the church, Charlie and Rachel's (18:17):
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Speaker: political conversions were real (18:20):
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Speaker: They weren't acting. (18:25):
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Speaker: Their new convictions felt (18:27):
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Speaker: self-directed, yet those (18:29):
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Speaker: convictions were cultivated (18:31):
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Speaker: designed. (18:35):
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Speaker: Environmental conditioning. (18:36):
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Speaker: Part five the hypnosis. (18:39):
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Speaker: You don't recognize. (18:43):
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Speaker: The most important insight we can pull from Derren Brown's (18:47):
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Speaker: work is that hypnosis is nothing like the cliche image. (18:52):
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Speaker: We've been sold. (18:58):
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Speaker: Pop culture has trained us to (19:01):
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Speaker: picture hypnosis as someone (19:03):
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Speaker: swinging a pocket watch in front (19:05):
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Speaker: of your face, or cartoon spirals (19:08):
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Speaker: spinning in your eyes while a (19:11):
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Speaker: Those theatrics can be one version of hypnosis, but they (19:17):
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Speaker: are not the essence of it. (19:23):
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Speaker: Real hypnosis is simply focused (19:26):
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Speaker: Sometimes this is done through a (19:33):
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Speaker: formal induction, but it also (19:35):
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Speaker: happens naturally in everyday (19:38):
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Speaker: life. (19:41):
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Speaker: Think about reading a novel so intensely you forget the world (19:42):
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Speaker: can't remember the last five minutes on the road. (19:54):
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Speaker: Even listening to music or (19:59):
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Speaker: getting pulled into a TV show (20:01):
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Speaker: can slip the mind into this (20:03):
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Speaker: state. (20:06):
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Speaker: Critical thinking fades into the background and the brain becomes (20:07):
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Speaker: more open to suggestion. (20:13):
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Speaker: Modern media is built to keep (20:16):
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Speaker: people in this condition as much (20:18):
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Speaker: Infinite scroll holds attention (20:22):
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Speaker: long past the moment you meant (20:24):
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Speaker: to stop. (20:26):
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Speaker: Autoplay keeps feeding you (20:27):
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Speaker: videos without asking for a (20:29):
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Speaker: decision. (20:31):
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Speaker: Personalized feeds wrap you in (20:32):
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Speaker: content that matches your (20:34):
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Speaker: worldview so tightly that it (20:36):
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Speaker: feels natural, like you are (20:39):
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Speaker: discovering truth rather than (20:42):
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Speaker: being guided. (20:44):
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Speaker: Researchers call these flow states, and in a flow state, the (20:46):
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Speaker: mind is focused. (20:52):
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Speaker: Self-awareness fades, and outside distractions blur away. (20:55):
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Speaker: Flow can be great for creativity (21:01):
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Speaker: and learning, but it also leaves (21:04):
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Speaker: When you consume content in this (21:11):
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Speaker: the source. (21:19):
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Speaker: Information slides in unchallenged and often gets (21:20):
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Speaker: stored as accepted truth. (21:25):
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Speaker: That is why a post on social media can feel more persuasive (21:28):
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