Ground Up 26: Dream Destinations with the Climbing Backpackers

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(00:01):
Nettie & DaveWe're just at Nettie's dad's house. Yeah, we're just outside London, basically. Yeah.
RobertOkay, nice.
Nettie & DaveThe UK.
Ari GrodeYeah, i actually just got back from a three-day backpacking trip.
RobertWhere about?
Ari GrodeSo, you know, I'm used to the early, ah early rises. So
RobertYeah, there you go.
Nettie & DaveWhere were you?
Ari Grodeah it's about three hours west of here and kind of near Aspen. It was, we did a, yeah, still in Colorado.
Nettie & Davestill the US. Yeah. like To me, I'm like, it must be Southeast Asia or ridiculously far away.

(00:22):
Ari GrodeJust a, just a drive. No, no, no, no.
RobertYeah.
Ari Grodeno it Just a, just a, yeah, just a couple hour drive.
Nettie & DaveThree days probably won't be worth it, though.
Ari GrodeYeah,
Nettie & DaveBackpacking and camping sort of thing or? Nice.
Ari Grodeyeah. yeah Yeah, I found out the pack was way way too heavy, and yeah, I'm pretty sore.
Nettie & DaveNice.
Robertthe
Nettie & DaveClassic. Let me know that one.
Robertdid you get you didn't do any climbing did already just long approach to nowhere tough off tough tough but it's how it goes sometimes um but yeah appreciate you guys jumping on uh this is this is gonna be a fun one i think i mean it's i feel like it's uh it's been really cool to watch you guys just sort of

(00:43):
Ari GrodeBut it was fun. No, long approach to nowhere. Yeah.
Ari GrodeYeah.
Nettie & DaveHmm.
RobertI don't know, really good job of documenting everywhere you're going. Cause I, as someone who like, I'm a professional videographer and photographer started out in the travel hospitality world.

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RobertSo i'd understand like how difficult it can be to like always pull the camera out and you don't necessarily want to be doing it at all times, but you guys do a super good job job of it.
Nettie & DaveYeah. yeah
RobertAnd it looks like you guys have some pretty rad adventures. So I'm stoked to dive into it all.
Nettie & DaveYeah. Thanks. it's It's been harder since we've been back because the UK just seems like there's nothing to film because it's normal to us.
RobertOf course.
Nettie & DaveWe're used to it oh yeah. Yeah, when we're in Asia, it's just like everything is amazing. So like filming everything. But now that we're home, it's like, I guess it's the same to some people. Like they still want to see, but we're just like, eh, it's just England. Like...

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Nettie & DaveAnd in Asia, I feel like people are more happy to be on camera too, where here people are way more reserved. So it's like, yeah yeah you feel awkward filming people, unless you ask their approval first.
RobertSure, sure.
Ari GrodeYeah. what
RobertYeah,
Ari GrodeWhat part of the UK or what part of England are you from?
Nettie & DaveSo right now we're near London, and that's where Nettie was born and raised.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & Daveyeah ah Basically right next to Heathrow. I was born and raised near Gatwick. So for you, it's basically London, but it's nearer Brighton than it is London.

(02:10):
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveSo a bit more south.
RobertSure.
Ari GrodeYeah.
Nettie & DaveBut yeah, basically the same area, like maybe like an hour and a half away from each other. Nothing, nothing compar to what you guys have.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & Daveso Just use air as the base.
Ari GrodeAnd how, yeah, yeah. And how did the two of you meet?
Nettie & DaveTinder.

(02:30):
RobertNice.
Ari GrodeTinder. Okay.
Nettie & Davei know
RobertLove that.
Nettie & DaveClassic.
Ari GrodeClassic.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertYeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. And then, so were you guys both climbing like based out of London originally, or was it that kind of waited until a lot of the travel started or you want to dive into a little bit of like how climbing sort of came about?

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Nettie & DaveSo I, e I've been coming for like 16 years and, um, I started by doing tree surgery.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveUm, and then someone, ah I was working with said they would take us climbing one day and then about two years went past and they never took us.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveSo I decided to book a course on my own and I went to the local climbing gym and just, just got hooked straight away.
RobertNice.

(03:11):
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveBasically, um, was going like once a week for maybe four months and then to just really
Robertno
Nettie & DaveReally started going like every day for like a good few years and got really strong. And then i got a finger injury, um went on Tinder, met Nettie and me and Nettie went to a gymnastics class together.

(03:35):
Nettie & DaveAnd then I got Nettie hooked on climbing from there. Yeah, I'd never climbed when I met Dave.
RobertWas there a gymnastics background or was that kind of random, but it was like, oh, okay. Body awareness is there.
Nettie & Davecompletely random right it's random fun fun thing to do like yeah yeah something where we're both like the same level of terribleness at it you know so it can just be didn't really want to i mean if you're if you're quite good at climbing and you you can't like for me when i go to a gym i'm kind of like see you later i'm going to go training and climbing now sort of thing so like it's definitely a better better way to start start yeah
RobertMaybe she'll like climbing.
RobertNice.
Ari GrodeCool.

(03:57):
RobertYeah.
Ari GrodeYeah.
RobertYeah.
Ari GrodeYeah.
RobertSure.
Ari Grodeyeah
RobertNice.
Ari GrodeYeah. but Can I ask what is tree surgery? Is that like grafting?

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Nettie & Daveah yeah it's it's like uh arborist um so essentially the jobs i would do were tree removal um mainly if it was like damaged trees or something wrong with a tree or someone like doesn't like leaves in their garden but we try and talk about that one um or tree reduction where you're just like the tree's getting too big or it's touching house so you just reduce it in a bit or a lot of hedge trimming and stuff too so like
RobertYeah.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Ari Grodeyeah Okay. Okay.

(04:41):
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & Davehedges, which are too big for a gardener. So like you can't reach them from the top of the ladder.
Ari GrodeYeah.
Nettie & DaveYou have to actually climb for through the hedge. So basically climbing trees.
Ari GrodeSo did
Ari GrodeOkay.
RobertYeah. Nice.
Ari Grodeyeah I was going to ask, did that like did that factor into... Did it feel kind of natural to pick up something like climbing? like Did you feel like that kind of helped you ah progress quickly?

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Nettie & DaveYeah. The first time I went to the climbing center, I i did a six feet.
Ari GrodeYeah.
Nettie & DaveSo I- Sport rope, right?
Robertnice
Ari GrodeOkay. V...
Nettie & DaveTop rope. top Yeah.
Ari GrodeNo top rope. What is that?
Nettie & Davei love thank
Ari Grodefive Like 5'10", at least, right?
Nettie & DaveI've started to get good at this, but only from like 7B.
Ari Grodegoing to guess...
Nettie & Dave6B
Ari GrodeI'm going to guess ten c

(05:27):
Nettie & Daveis 10C, yes. Nice.
RobertLook at that.
Nettie & DaveI have to work it back on like 7B is 512B, 7A pluses, but like it takes me ages, but I am getting there.
RobertProud of you,
Nettie & DaveI know some of them off my heart, but most of them.
Ari GrodeWell, it's it's nothing compared to the, uh, the old UK system that makes kind of no sense.

(05:47):
Nettie & DaveThe track one? i one
Ari GrodeYeah.
Nettie & DaveWe're completely out of the loop on that too. I literally have no idea.
Ari GrodeE9, six Bs, who knows?
Nettie & Davewas March 2017, so like eight
Robertyeah
Ari GrodeOkay, cool. And, and, and so how long ago was this? You said, uh, when, when the two of you met and you started climbing netty?
Nettie & Davehalf years. Yeah. two thousand and seventeen so like eight and a half yes

(06:11):
RobertOkay.
Nettie & Daveyeah
Ari GrodeOkay.
RobertAnd was it immediately like, oh, we like this.
Ari GrodeAnd, and,
RobertWe want to see what the outdoor climbing is like, or were you guys kind of really locked into the gym for a bit? Or, I mean, obviously Dave, you've been climbing a bit longer, so I'm guessing there was some outdoor already at that point, but what did that look like?
Nettie & Daveah you um You've been out on like a lot of outdoor trips already. England's english weird because it's not like there's not that much good rock around.

(06:35):
RobertRight.
Nettie & Daveum There is some, ah but then you have to factor in the weather too. It's always raining here. Except for sun.
RobertAnd the gear placements, right?
Nettie & Davebut we we We don't do trad, we do sport.
RobertOkay, fair.
Nettie & Daveso So there's a bit of sport around, but not as much as there is trad. um
RobertSure, sure.
Ari GrodeYeah. okay Can you talk about that a little bit? Because every time I think of UK climbing, I just think of like pretty scary, ah slick, you know, run out trad climbing.

(06:59):
Nettie & Daveyeah
RobertYeah.
Ari Grodeum You know, obviously there is there is some sport climbing, but like, what's that, what's that scene like?
Nettie & DaveYou just don't do it.
Nettie & DaveWe're the south of England.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & Daveyeah In the south of England, there's many sport and not much trad. All the trads like Sheffield way. ah
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveAnd like they would but would shoot you if you tried to put a bolt on that stuff. So there is a few really cool sport places up north, but and we've only been there a few times.
Ari GrodeYeah. Yeah.
RobertYeah, yeah.

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Nettie & DaveIt's quite far away. It's only like four hours, so nothing for guys. Far away to
Robertyeah
Ari Groderight. Like how near are you to like Malam, Malam's Cove, Malam Cove, Malam's Cove.
Nettie & DaveI think that was like five and a five and a half hours. I mean, everything's actually close because it's England and you can drive from like, you can drive the whole length up to Scotland in like 12 hours or something if you didn't stop.
Ari GrodeOkay.

(07:44):
Nettie & DaveBut yeah, for about four hours feels far to worse, especially when you're weekend warriors. Well, I guess it's nothing still compared to longer US drives.
Ari GrodeMm-hmm.
RobertYeah, it's just a different culture. You guys just don't drive nearly this as much. So, i mean, that's, i I grew up playing soccer.
Nettie & DaveNo.
RobertSo I have a lot of like friends from England that play soccer. they and They're like, yeah, like a two hour drive is like, that's a, that's a daybreaker for sure.
Nettie & DaveHmm.

(08:05):
Nettie & Daveyeah but i think it's also worse because of like the roads are small and like there's traffic everywhere so you just really have to concentrate and like driving through small towns and stuff it's not like one long straight road you know it's like really really stressful paying attention driving so so yeah two hours does feel lot further than just were committing as well you can't trust the weather yeah
RobertSure. exactly.
RobertYeah, it makes sense. So where was, yeah fair. Where was, where was like the first crag or two that you guys kind of latched onto in England from like a sport climbing perspective?

(08:37):
Nettie & DaveI wouldn't say it was England. So we would like just go to our base and climb, climb on plastic, get strong.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveThen we just go away on trips, places because of like Europe.
RobertOh, nice. So that happened like immediately from the jump. It was like, oh, let's use this to kind of like travel and like explore a bit.
Nettie & DaveYeah, because I was already doing it before I met Nettie.
RobertGotcha.
Nettie & DaveNettie just tagged along basically for a first few trips and then they got really hooked.
RobertNice. Nice.

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Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertWhere was your first trip, Nettie?
Nettie & DaveI had a very lucky start. I went to, I went to Rocklands in South Africa.
RobertOh, wow.
Nettie & Davelike three months into my climbing.
RobertThat's what trip number one day was like, let's lock this up.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertThis is perfect.
Nettie & DaveLiterally.
RobertNice.
Nettie & Davei think we like very briefly went to Sardinia and like i I couldn't do anything basically.
Robertnice
Nettie & DaveLike I couldn't, I don't think I could start anything.
RobertIt's so polished. It's crazy. I was just climbing there like a year, year and a half ago.

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Nettie & DaveI don't think that was my excuse.
RobertYeah, it's very polished. It's wild, but it's cool. But it's, it's just different over there for sure.
Nettie & DaveI really want to go now that I can actually climb. Like I'd love to go.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveCause my memory is just, I couldn't do anything. Like i've been climbing for like weeks at this point, My memory is I asked Nettie to clean the anchor. And ah actually, I think I put it through the anchor, but through a carabiner too.

(09:44):
RobertSure.
Nettie & DaveAnd she couldn't get the carabiner undone. So she essentially got herself stuck at the top of route, which is fair since she'd only been climbing for like two weeks. And the carabiner was just stuck. It was like an old, yeah. yeah So I had to haul up the other side of the rope, get to the top, like whack it with another carabiner to get it undone. then we could both come down. But I remember her freaking out. She was like, what are you doing? Why are you coming up?

(10:09):
RobertYou said this would never happen. What are you doing?
Nettie & Daveyeah yeah as in southern area yeah yeah no it was all bouldering in rocklands yeah there is sport there but we haven't done it way too much
RobertThat's hilarious. ah Yeah.
Ari Grodethat that was in sardinia or in rocklands yeah okay okay yeah okay i i was pretty sure that was mostly a bouldering area um wow okay okay that's uh
Robertah Okay.
RobertVery cool. Very cool.
RobertHow long were you guys in Rockland? How long were you in Rockland? Is that like a short trip or was it a, were you there for a month or?

(10:31):
Nettie & Davewe were there for five weeks and i wasn't really like ah
Robertoh wow.
Ari GrodeWhoa.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & Daveproper climber at this point and i was just like in the middle of nowhere with no internet connection with people i didn't know who wouldn't shut up about like climbing and i didn't really understand the lingo or anything like it was fun but it was a proper like culture shock with people that i was supposed to know yeah it was a lot for me it was really fun like i think i did there'll be v grades now i did a 6c plus which is maybe five five
Ari GrodeV5, yeah.

(10:52):
RobertI
Ari Grodev five yeah
Nettie & DaveBut like that was the hardest thing I climbed it.
Roberti
Nettie & DaveIt was a high ball. So I think it probably wasn't as like maybe it was a bit easier and they put the grade up for the height or whatever. But yeah, I was, I got hooked really fast. Nelly's got this strange thing where she like, she never gets, she's never been scared of anything.

(11:17):
Nettie & DaveShe'll do high ball. She'll do like crazy run out sport routes. And like the fear doesn't come in. Like, yeah, it's crazy. I have a problem, but it helps climbing.
Ari GrodeThat's probably a good trait for progression.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Ari GrodeOh.
Nettie & DaveI appreciate it for sure. ah let's take it for granted Unless you're in Thailand and someone says they're too high to climb. He was like too stoned to get his quick draws back.

(11:40):
Ari Grodeoh
Robertyeah yeah that's uh
Nettie & DaveSo Nettie offered to do it. And then look around and this guy's belaying her. was like, why would you let this really high guy belay you? It's just, yeah, just no fear at all.
Nettie & DaveAll common sense. I think I'm better now. this was This was a long time ago, but yeah, that was probably it.
Robertyeah Did he have a Gregory or did he have an ATC?

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Nettie & DaveI'm pretty sure it was a grigri. I would rather be be led with a grigri.
RobertNah, you're good then. Yeah, yeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Ari GrodeYeah.
RobertYou're fine then. You're fine.
Ari Grodemore More trust in the system than the, uh, or the device than the, uh, the gentleman holding it.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Robertthat's Yeah, exactly.
Nettie & Daveand
RobertThat's hilarious.
Nettie & DaveAnd it's sands.
RobertHe
Nettie & DaveNo worst case, just fall into the sands. Was it on the beach? Yeah. I even remember what route it was. It was by the ladder somewhere. I remember that. Okay. Okay.

(12:24):
Ari GrodeOkay. So it, it does, it does seem like the travel bug was kind of, uh, it was, it was something that was present from the beginning.
Robertmade it.
Ari GrodeUm,
Nettie & DaveYeah, for sure.
Ari GrodeCause, cause this was what, just for context, what year did y'all actually, uh, start, you know, full-time travel backpack climbing?
Robertthat 2017? Okay. Yeah. okay
Nettie & DaveIt's been two years. So we left on the 1st of September, was when we arrived in India for this, like, whatever started this thing, was September 2023. Yeah. So very almost two years.

(12:55):
Ari GrodeOkay.
Robertokay
Nettie & Daveyeah
Ari GrodeSo we're talking about a, you know, kind of a okay.
Nettie & Daveand very so yes And for context that started because of the start of that year on new year's day, uh, 22 into 23, uh, we're in Thailand and my Achilles tendon broke, um, or rupture.
Robertyeah
Robertah
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveSo for one, this is why I couldn't be lay netty on the beach and this stone guy be later.

(13:16):
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveAnd two, um, this is why it all started because of, I had to sell my business ah because of, I literally couldn't work for six months because i couldn't walk.
RobertSure.
Nettie & DaveSo I had to sell everything was like, well,
RobertYeah.
Nettie & Davewe might as well go traveling now it's like
RobertAmazing.
Ari GrodeYeah. So but's let's talk about that. so So you were, you were actually, ah go ahead.
RobertWell, before we... I was just going to say, before we dive into that, I am curious. like After the five weeks in Rocklands, you come back home. like What was the immediate like response, I guess? Was it like, oh, we really...

(13:48):
Robertlike love doing this. Like let's like Nettie, were you kind of hooked in that regard or was it like a, that was cool. Like, I don't know that the next time we're going to do that is.
Nettie & DaveI think I was psyched to just keep doing it in different places.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveLike, yeah, we were very much indoor boulderers um that would just get out whenever we could for whether it was sport climbing or bouldering. But no, I'm i'm pretty sure from the very start, I was just like super addicted.

(14:13):
Nettie & DaveI went like really all in.
RobertYeah. Yeah.
Nettie & DaveAnd because I progressed quite fast, I got even more hooked because like i was climbing with with people that were way stronger than me.
RobertYep.
Nettie & DaveSo like I got really good progression and yeah, I was hooked.
RobertStarted learning the lingo. We're like, okay, I can get behind these guys. They're not just saying crazy, crazy stuff.
Nettie & DaveYeah, it's pretty much. Kind what they're talking about now.
RobertYeah. Okay. Fair, fair, fair.
Nettie & DaveYou definitely got homesick in Rocklands, though. In Rocklands, I got homesick. Yeah.

(14:36):
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveIt was pretty intense. Five weeks for all that.
Ari Grodeyeah no kidding that's like full deep end experience you know
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertYou're basically a dirt bagger like right off the bat. That's awesome.
Nettie & DaveYeah. And there's nothing else really there apart from board games and rocks. Like, that's literally all there is. Yeah.
Robertah Okay. Yeah, it sounds pretty sick, though.

(14:58):
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Robertum Okay, I think that makes sense. I just wanted to I was just curious, like what the initial response was. Yeah, let's let's drive back into what you're asking there.
Ari GrodeYeah. So you said, um you said you had a Achilles injury. So that happened on a trip actually. so, so there was the plan at the time, it sounds like was to kind of just keep doing what you were doing, you know, climbing back in the UK and then, and then going abroad to, you know, sample the scene elsewhere.

(15:19):
Nettie & Daveyeah
Nettie & DaveIt was working quite well because of me and Nettie both had businesses, a surgery, surgery business. Nettie had a dog walking business.
Nettie & DaveAnd yeah, it was it was it was nice.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveBut then, For me personally, I felt like we were traveling a lot, a lot of like flights and stuff, which I didn't really agree with too much.

(15:44):
Ari GrodeMm-hmm.
Nettie & DaveAnd then it was like, well, why don't we just not fly back? Like the most expensive bit is flying. Like if we just stay out there, like there's much better, right?
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveSo, so yeah, that's what essentially it decided to do in the end. Yeah, that that initial, that trip to Thailand where he hurt his ankle was like a two, it was a three week trip.

(16:05):
Nettie & DaveAnd we literally landed in Bangkok and then we were going to get another flight to Krabby and then go to Tonsai, which is where we actually wanted to go. But we landed in Bangkok and our friend had just, he lives there.
Nettie & DaveHe just opened a gym and he was just like, you have to come like check out my gym, blah, blah, blah. We're like, no, we're really jet lagged.
Roberti
Nettie & Davedidn't bring our shoes, didn't bring anything so that we could go look and wouldn't be allowed to climb. um We rented shoes and climbed. He gave our shoes. We didn't rent them. Yeah, but you know.

(16:34):
RobertOh.
Nettie & Daveforced He forced our shoes onto my boat.
RobertOh, no.
Nettie & DaveHe's going to feel bad.
Ari GrodeMm-hmm.
RobertOh.
Nettie & DaveBut Dave, like, it wasn't even anything dramatic. He literally had like two undercuts. just pushing with his foot. And as he stepped up, it just sounded like someone smashed the wall with a plank of wood and everyone turned around.
Robertoh
Nettie & DaveLiterally that far, like two inches above the ground. Yeah. So anti-traumatic. Yeah, there is CCTV footage and it looks like nothing. It looks like he goes, boop, boop, like just falls off. just Just nothing.

(17:02):
Robertah
Nettie & DaveBut yeah, he was like, just poking the back of his ankle and like, oh, it's gone. I think the but tendon's gone. He wasn't even in pain. Just... right
Ari GrodeOh,
Nettie & Daveum Have you watched Hostel before? Like the story movie?
RobertYeah, I have with the, yep. With the snip snip.
Nettie & DaveWhen he cuts the back of a...
RobertOh dude.
Nettie & DaveI i just i just didn't stand up.
RobertOh yeah.
Nettie & Davei was like, I don't want that to happen to me. I'm just going crawl out of here.

(17:24):
RobertOh my gosh.
Ari Grodeoh no.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertThat and like house of wax, I think it was both of them happened there.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertYeah. That that was always like my biggest fear growing up for whatever reason.
Nettie & DaveYeah, that's all I remember.
RobertIt just looked horrific. Oh, okay.
Nettie & DaveYeah. Well, it's not that painful that everything else happens to you.
RobertSo. ah
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertYeah. And then you, you stayed in Thailand for the rest the time and I'm assuming you didn't do any climbing, but how long did you end up staying there?
Nettie & Daveah from anyway

(17:46):
RobertAnd then you came, came home after that, or was that you just,
Nettie & Daveyou say We stayed for the three weeks. um our friend Justin then obviously just put us up in his house for like a week whilst because of I just had surgery.
Robertokay.
Nettie & Daveum So I couldn't fly or do anything like that. But then we still decided to go to Tonsai and we we went there and I just relaxed on the beach whilst he got belays from people and yeah, just had a good time really.

(18:11):
Nettie & DaveIt was super nice and then just went back with our scheduled flight. And yeah, then start to sort out everything like, sell my business already.
Ari Grodedid did the Did the plan to ah you know sell the businesses and and go full time kind of ah materialize in Thailand? Or was this something you didn't kind of chat about till you're back home?

(18:36):
Nettie & DaveUm, It was once we were home. it was like March. That's when we really decided to do it. So it was a couple of months later. i mean, Dave had to sell the business anyway.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveBut I definitely, I had two apprentices working for me and they, unfortunately they couldn't drive and they weren't fully qualified.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & Daveand So before I even flew back, i was like, hey guys, like this has happened. Like you might want to start looking for other jobs. Like I don't know how, this is definitely going to be six months of you guys not working. So like,

(19:07):
RobertSure.
Nettie & Davedon't wait for me, you know, there might not be anything come back for.
RobertYeah, yeah.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveSo yeah, it was definitely a sort of plan happening from the outset.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Ari GrodeSo, ah talk us through how that, like, you know, how that plan kind of, or how, how it, uh, what that looked like, what was the, you know, it was the idea was we're just gonna live cheaply, sell everything we've got and go climbing in, in Asia.

(19:29):
Nettie & DaveDid you find a book for us or? I read
RobertWell, I'm assuming there was a bit of like a ramp-up period too because you probably had to like do a little bit of rehab and PT and things like that like get it going.
Nettie & DaveOh, yeah.
Ari GrodeSure.
Nettie & Davevery
Robertyeah So you like probably had some time to plan it all out, right?
Nettie & DaveAnd a lot of times lot time to think and plan.
RobertYeah. So what was like, okay, start to formulate this plan. What did this shortlist look like? Cause like I, my wife and I backpacked around the world for like five months.

(19:53):
RobertAnd so I got known like, okay, you kind of had this idea if it was similar to us where we know we want to go here and here, but we also have like a couple other maybes on the list and I'm sure some other stuff will pop up.
Nettie & DaveNice.
RobertAnd like when you're buying one way tickets, There's like a ah balance of like over planning and then just like letting it kind of go with it.
Nettie & Daveand
RobertSo like what did the first, I don't know if it was three months or six months or two weeks, like how did you guys plan out that initial bit and what did those first few stops look like?

(20:25):
Nettie & DaveSo I found a book online, literally just called how to live on 10 pounds a day. And maybe it was dollars. I think might've been dollars. And it was just this really small PDF book. And i was like, oh, that's interesting. So I read it.
Nettie & Daveum Basically just live like bombs is the gist of the book.
Ari Grodeif
Nettie & Daveum But then I was like, Southeast Asia is the easiest place to do this. So I went on ChatGPT and just said, what rock climbing is there in Southeast Asia? um Turns out like loads and stuff that people don't know about.
RobertSure, sure.

(20:51):
RobertYeah,
Ari GrodeYeah.
Nettie & DaveAnd literally, I mean, it must've been within a week from reading that, asking ChatGPT and telling my family I was leaving for a year.
Robertyeah.
Nettie & Daveand
RobertYeah.
Nettie & Daveknow that There's no reason not to do it. um If we do it on this budget, like we can last for a year and it just sounded
Robertyep
Nettie & Davereally really fun so that there wasn't that much planning initially there was

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Robertbutla But I mean, committing to a year right off the bat, like that's definitely like a big master plan for sure. So that's that's pretty cool. So the mission was Southeast Asia right off the bat and like, we'll see what where it takes us.
Nettie & Daveyeah yeah if i was going to sell my business too which i've been building up for five years we were going to go for a good chunk of time and then maybe within a year maybe it becomes something maybe it wouldn't and then we come back and figure that out afterwards
RobertYeah, makes sense.

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Robertsir Fair, fair. So what were the first couple of stops in Southeast Asia?
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveWe planned, and do you know, there's an app called Workaway.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah, we it's basically an app where you can look for ah jobs online. Volunteer opportunities.
Nettie & DaveAnd we got one.
RobertYeah, there's a bunch, there's a couple of like, i don't know if they're still all around, but when we were traveling, it was help X, Wolfing work away.

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Nettie & Daveyeah I think it's similar.
RobertThey're all kind of the same. Yep.
Nettie & Daveyeah the The one we found was a work away in India ah working for this place we never heard of ah doing top roping.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveJust like putting top ropes up for people and then just belaying people on top ropes.
Robertoh Amazing.
Nettie & DaveIt's a place called Badami.
Ari Grodeoh
Nettie & Daveah we lift We looked it up. we We thought it sounded like a good idea. and We found out that the boats were safe and it was like quite safe. so yeah We just committed to it really. like Real slap in the face, like really jumped in the deep end going to India, you know.

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RobertYeah, yeah.
Nettie & DaveSo yeah, really set us up for for a fun time and we were a super psyched.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveSo yeah, it was nice.
Ari Grodeand And what was that experience like?
Nettie & Daveit was It was good. Like, it was crazy. Like, we found a guy in Mumbai who took us in for the first few nights.
Robertah but

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Nettie & DaveHe, like, was super nice, like, helped us get SIM cards because you can't get Indian SIM cards there. Helped us sort our cash out. I mean, we probably put too much faith in him, but it all worked out.
Nettie & DaveThis was planned before we left as well. So I had this guy I found on Couchsurfing. We had the work away set up. So we knew what we were doing for maybe, like, the first month month and a half or whatever before we moved on to the other countries that we wanted to hit up.

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Nettie & Daveah So that took some of the stress out as well. And then we kind of winged it after that. There was so was a bit of planning like for accommodation and stuff, but that was really it.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & Davewe It was was more Nettie had a map. She made this map and she created like loads of pins of places we would like to go and it was interesting. But we wouldn't know if we'd end up there.

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Nettie & DaveBut if we did go there, we would know what parts we want to go to sort of thing, which was super interesting.
RobertYeah. Like a good place to start.
Nettie & DaveBut it was super... But it was super open plan too, which I mean was was perfect really because we did so many opportunities that we wouldn't have been able to do if we had to go somewhere else.
Nettie & DaveSo it's really, really nice to like be really open plan.

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Ari GrodeOkay. And what did, uh, I want to hear a little bit about what living on 10 pounds a day looks like, like, can you talk us through that a little bit?
Nettie & DaveIn India, it was and india is like living like a king. You say that, but we weren't.
Ari Grodeah
Nettie & Daveah We could have been living like king. In India, we weren't pay spending £10 a day, let's say that much. I think our average was like £6 a day by the end of it. And we didn't pay for accommodation once.

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RobertWow. Okay.
Nettie & DaveSo we we really just weren't spending money. We could have spent money, but we were so psyched because it was a first place and we were like, we're doing £10 a day.
RobertYeah, yeah.
Nettie & DaveSo we were so under budget in India that it set us up for the rest of the trip. We could have overspent um more than we did. But yeah, we just didn't.
RobertYeah, it's amazing.
Nettie & DaveYeah, and...
RobertSo you're like primarily spending money on food, I'm guessing at that point, if you had accommodations.

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Nettie & Daveyeah food accommodation transport is like the main yeah I mean that that really was it the accommodation the accommodation was obviously being paid for by the work away so we wouldn't have to we don't have to worry about that and but we were still being like we could have gone out for dinner every night and spent pennies but like we were still like going to the market and buying fresh food and cooking like
RobertRight.
Ari GrodeMm-hmm.

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Nettie & Daveabsolutely terrible terrible food like it was good for us but tasted terrible healthy bland food yeah compared to like what we could have been eating it was like like really bland rice and vegetables with some like herbs on top like the indians would have been like really upset with us if they saw orations
RobertYeah.
RobertAnd what was the climbing like in in that area of India? you I'm assuming you kind of stayed in one place primarily or was it were you guys bouncing around?

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Nettie & Daveit was all in badani For six weeks, I think we were there.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & Daveit was It was quite strange because of maybe 15 years ago, quite a lot of like professional athletes went and set up like the hard routes. So there's everything from to 8B. What is 7B?
Nettie & Dave512B, yeah.
Robertyep Yeah.
Ari GrodeNo, it's like mid 512. Yeah. Okay. Nice. nice

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Nettie & Davebut Even even like the seven b's they sell up they sell them up as their warmups So um they were quite hard for 7B. They weren't easy. and went easy But there wasn't really anything below 7B.
RobertOf course.
Nettie & DaveBut then the locals um saw that people were coming here to climb. ah So they just started to set up like loads of easy routes. So there's loads of routes from like four to like maybe like six C.

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Nettie & DaveThere's a few six C's, but not many. Maybe main like We should get Greg's paper out really so that I can just refer back to that as Yeah, I've got it right here You got it up?
RobertI've got it. That's a 511A. Yeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah. Okay.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveAnd then there was no like real midsection grades. Um, it was there, there was like the professionals were voted for good stuff, but well the hard stuff.
Robertyeah

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Nettie & DaveAnd then there was that really the easy stuff, which was great for like, you know, setting up top ropes and stuff from the people who were coming.
Ari GrodeMm-hmm.
Nettie & DaveSo the rock is super
RobertYeah, that is... That's unfortunately... I mean, I think it's changed quite a bit, but I think there is a ah decent history of... climbers go into places, setting up the routes in this sort of not really considering the community aspect or the fact that there are people that are new to climbing, getting involved in this sport and just all of that.
Nettie & DaveYeah.

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Nettie & DaveYeah. We've seen that a lot.
RobertSo, yeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah, we've seen that. And especially if there is easy ones, they're just like, well, it's easy, so I'm just going to put four bolts in this 30-meter hole, and then...
RobertExactly.
Ari GrodeYeah.
RobertYeah, it's always an interesting predicament to find yourself in for sure.
Nettie & DaveYeah. Yeah, for sure.
Robertum That's cool. But you guys were top rope guides. Was it was there a pretty high demand at the time? Or were you like maybe belaying someone once a week?

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Nettie & DaveNo.
RobertOr like, what did that look like?
Nettie & DaveAt the very start, there was basically no one. So we're basically getting out free accommodation for nothing.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & Daveand We were doing their social media. it felt quite bad. So we started doing their social media.
RobertGotcha.
Nettie & DaveAnd then people started coming in from neighbouring cities.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & Daveto to basically meet us and climb with us. it's kind of like, it pretty cool um it's cool.

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RobertYeah, yeah.
Nettie & DaveIt took some time to get going, but then we're like- page really small at the time as well.
RobertSure.
Nettie & DaveIt was strange. I think like they just saw that we were posting things from somewhere that was like they could get to.
Robertsure
Nettie & DaveSo people would come just through that. So it was really nice. We met some really cool people, but we there wasn't high demand. ah We must've done two sessions a week max. Yeah. um Yeah.

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Nettie & DaveBut also like, I think,
Ari GrodeAnd this is.
Nettie & DaveMost of the major cities were starting to just build their first like climbing gyms. So like people were psyched, people like super psyched and just wanting to get outside and touch the real rock for the first time sort of thing.
Nettie & DaveSo yeah, super fun.
Ari GrodeAnd these these are mainly locals. or
Nettie & DaveMainly locals.
Ari GrodeOr local local ish.
Nettie & DaveYeah, local like an eight hour drive away local.

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RobertYeah, yeah.
Ari GrodeOK.
Nettie & DaveWhat was the city? I can't. There was a city. I feel bad that I forgot what one it is. It was close to it though, but people would, like there was one guy that did a whole week, ended his work late Friday night, drove overnight, eight hours to get there, climbed with us for two days and then just drove back and went straight back to work. I was like, it's crazy.

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Robertcommitment right there.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Ari Grodededication.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertLove it. And had you all started your Instagram page for the listeners, it's climbing underscore backpackers. Obviously we'll have all this in the show notes, but had you guys started your own page by this point?
Nettie & Daveyeah
RobertAnd so it was kind of natural to help them out with social media or had, what's this like almost you started social media work with them and you're like, no, maybe we should be doing this on our own as well.
Nettie & DaveYeah.

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Nettie & DaveI started the page just before we left, basically, to to follow the journey through Southeast Asia.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveI knew that I wanted to put stuff on there because I'd kind of been doing it with my own page. for a long time. Like I've always liked making videos and stuff, but this took it to another level, obviously.
RobertYeah,
Nettie & Daveum Yeah, it just became really fun.
Robertyeah

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Nettie & DaveAnd then like, it also got interest, but for the first few months, it wasn't ah based around rock climbing. It was based around kind of everything else that we were doing, but When we did put climbing things up, they do really well. And obviously i find it a lot more fun to make climbing content because that's the thing that we're out there to do.

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Nettie & Daveum
Ari GrodeCool.
Nettie & DaveAnd it just naturally progressed into like now it's very climbing focused, the page.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & Daveah But since I did that, it's it's blown up. um So it was the right decision. It's a lot more fun for me to make that content.
RobertFor sure.
Nettie & DaveYeah, we didn't think that people would want to see climbing content at the start.
RobertLike that.
Ari Grodecool
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveSo we're doing more like, and it was India. So like, you see crazy, crazy stuff every day. Like you could film, you could just get your camera out at any second and something funny or crazy will be happening.

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RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveSo, yeah.
RobertYeah, I can only imagine. it i mean, i've I've had it described to me by multiple people as like sensory overload. So I'm sure you point the camera and you're just there.
Nettie & DaveYeah. Yeah.
RobertBut okay, so you transition from like the 10 quid a day type content to climate content and like get some traction.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Nettie & Daveyeah
RobertAnd you got people coming in ah also see all the work that you guys are doing with their social media and they want to get belays from the the best guides in India.
Nettie & Daveye

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RobertWhen what was like the you said you're there for about five weeks. What was the the next stop on the, uh, on the initial trips.
Nettie & DaveSo because of we brought so many people in, there was these guys ah coming from a place called Lonaavala, which is um ah near Mumbai in India.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveAnd they said, you have to come check out Aurok, like come out, hang out with us. We got like a great crowd, great community. So we we went we went to them next. And yes, it was good, but their rock was scary, let's They blamed it on the fact they were mining a tunnel underneath the mountain to make a highway, like a mega highway.

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Ari GrodeWow.
Nettie & DaveAnd like it was basically vibrating the rock apart.
RobertOkay.
RobertWow.
Nettie & DaveSo you would just you just go out and you just pull off holds every day. It was very chossy. yeah Very, very trossy.
Ari Grodewow
RobertYeah, that's.

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Nettie & DaveBut the people were lovely. The people were great. like was so fun. It was fun experience, but I would never go there for climbing again.
Ari Grodelike
Nettie & DaveShame.
Ari Grodeah It's the greatest greatest outdoor crag ever. It resets every day. Oh, no.
Robertyeah
Nettie & DaveYeah, really does. I did a 7B, and then when Nethi did it, it was more like 7C. Because I pulled off the jug. and It was... Yeah.

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Ari Grodecool.
RobertYeah, I can imagine with a couple of places that you all are traveling to, there's certainly a range in terms of rock quality that that's going on for sure.
Ari Grodeah cool
Nettie & DaveRock quality, bolting quality.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & Daveyeah Yeah. General safety. You definitely have to know your stuff to know what you're looking for. to keep yourself safe.

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Ari GrodeWhat, what type of, rock I mean, India is a huge place, but so maybe this is too broad of a question, but you know, what type of cloth, what's the style of climbing there? Uh, at least in some of the areas you went to, I mean, is this like steep limestone or.
Nettie & DaveIn Badami, was super hard sandstone.
Nettie & DaveSo it had these really cool features where it had like had like flakes, which were like millimeters thick, but they just never break. They're just so hard. you You think that credit card crimp is going to break off in your hand. It just never does.
Ari GrodeOh, okay.

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Nettie & DaveBut then you have these like these wave functions form too. so you've got these like just giant moves between slopers. Like bulges almost. Like orange rock with big...
Nettie & Davejust horizontal seams and then no holds and then horizontal seams and notes. So was a lot of big lunges between those cracks. Yeah. That was heel to hand, big rock overs, slapping to the next, next slope.
Ari GrodeYeah.

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Ari GrodeOh, cool.
RobertIt's kind of like a new.
Ari GrodeWow. That sounds sounds kind of mega.
RobertYeah, sounds sick.
Nettie & DaveIt looks like chocolate. It's so cool. It's cool. If you're tall enough, if you're, if you're short, it's not too good.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveI had some issues with that, but also I just wasn't really climbing super strong in any way, I'd say. don't know. Maybe be different now. Yeah, it'd be super interesting. I think it was super sandbagged there, but I'm just not so sure.

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Nettie & Daveknows? And then Lunavala, I can't remember what the rock type was volcanic. It was some kind of volcanic. I mean, basalt.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveI think it was called basalt.
Ari GrodeYeah.
Robertbut yeah
Nettie & DaveBut everywhere else, like from that point onwards in Asia was all limestone. Everything that we climbed on, yeah.
Ari Grodeyeah Okay. Okay. Yeah. That's, that's like what always comes to mind when I think of Southeast Asia climbing is like the enormous Tufa features that are hanging over the beaches and and things like that.

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Nettie & DaveYeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah. Yeah. Massive car systems. Yeah.
Ari GrodeYeah. Okay. Okay. So I mean, maybe take us a little bit through, ah you know, how the, the, the year the journey played out.
Nettie & DaveYeah, so after that, we took our only flight, which was from India to Kuala Lumpur and then Malaysia.

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RobertOh, wow.
Nettie & Davemalaysia And then from Malaysia, we did everything by land, basically, for the rest of rest of the trip.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Robertah wow
Ari GrodeVia like bus or train or okay.
Nettie & DaveYeah, public transports, mainly buses, mainly very craft.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveLots of overnight buses and public transport, yeah.

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RobertYeah, there's some probably some some long ones for sure. what so Okay, so maybe hit us with like a for the first year, like what was but were all like your stops and then we can kind of like maybe circle back to some of your favorites on that in that regard.
RobertBecause sounds like...
Nettie & DaveSo again, when we when we got to Kuala Lumpur, we um just went to this place in Kuala Lumpur called Batu Caves, but it's kind of a wrong time a year.

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RobertYeah,
Nettie & DaveIt was raining quite heavily there. We thought it wasn't, but they have like a too rainy season thing in Malaysia where like the north and the south and east and the west are like different rainy seasons, different times of the year, which we didn't know about.
Robertyeah.
RobertGotcha. Oh,
Nettie & Davebut super super cool locals there and they're just like you have to go to this place up north it's called Perlis you have to go there and we went to this place called Perlis had no idea about it and uh it was like incredible it was like the best it was like this massive car system in the middle of this like in middle of nowhere and like it was just hollow you could get an airplane in this in this car system and it's just like beautiful overhanging limestone

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Robertoh
Nettie & Daveclimbs on the outside, climbs if you were to go through the cast system and out the other side, that was also bolted. And then because it was ah like a big cave system type thing, there were climbs inside.
Nettie & DaveSo it's like, I've never really climbed anything like that since or before.
RobertNice.
Nettie & Davewas really, really crazy. And this is another case where I think, was it, was it real rock? Who went and bolted? It was Mammoth. Mammoth went and they bolted a load of stuff there.

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RobertOh,
Nettie & DaveAnd then they kind of like just left it as happens.
Robertyeah.
Nettie & Daveum But then the locals there have been like dealing with the upkeep and making sure it's all safe and guiding people. and They do caving and stuff. um
RobertSuper cool.
Nettie & DaveYeah, the locals there were really awesome. They've just kept it all going and then they're bolting more stuff around the area. And yeah, it's just, it was very cool there. So we went from South Malaysia,

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Nettie & Davepretty much immediately just went to North Malaysia and we spent, I don't know how long we were there for, maybe three weeks was it three four weeks. Three or four weeks, something like that.
RobertYeah, yeah.
Nettie & DaveAnd then we headed to Thailand, literally walked across the border. Yeah.
RobertThat's sick.
Ari GrodeYeah,
RobertThat's awesome. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like such a like mega arena to be climbing in. I feel like especially with it being, okay, you're in India for a bit. Now we're over here in Malaysia. like That second stop probably was like you find a little bit of a rhythm too with like the whole travel like continuous aspect of it as well too.

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Nettie & Daveyeah
RobertMust have been a blast. what was like You mentioned there was like a a pretty good local scene. like What does that look like in terms of numbers? Are there like... you know, 40 people at a crag or is it like four people out a crag one day?
Nettie & DaveVery small.

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Nettie & Daveit's It's probably like... Four people on the crag on the weekend. It's probably like, yeah, a crowd of like 20 people, maybe 40 people, if you include the guys coming over from Singapore, um because it's yeah a bus ride or a small flight away.
RobertYeah. Yeah.
RobertSure.
Nettie & Daveand But it's just because it's so small, it's so like connected and just like everyone knows everyone. It's so vibing and so fun.

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RobertYeah, that's cool.
Nettie & DaveEveryone's like super funny. They're super laugh. That's really different now, though. For sure, the climbing scene is blowing up over there as well, because there were people that we met on that trip, and that was almost like that was like a year and a half ago now.
Robertyeah.
Nettie & Daveum There's one called Perlis Climbing Development and one called Penang Club. They've got like different parts of Malaysia have their own thing, and then they kind of merge with the other guys, but it's such a small group overall that everybody kind of knows each other, and it's...

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Ari GrodeOh, cool.
Nettie & Davereally nice and personal. It's not like sometimes you go to somewhere in like Europe and people the locals don't want you there because you're going to ruin like their thing.
Robertyeah yeah
Nettie & DaveBut this is a complete opposite. They're like super excited that people are coming in and like testing out their rock. Yeah. And they want more tourism, you know, they want, ah especially in Perlis, there's like two car systems there, one huge one and then this one small one.
Ari GrodeOh, amazing.

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Nettie & DaveAnd the huge one is actually getting ah slowly destroyed and turned into materials for building. And like the locals don't want that to happen.
RobertOh.
Nettie & DaveSo they want more tourism to go there to like show the government that is a viable way of sustaining the area. You don't have to destroy the nature to do it so

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Ari GrodeOh yeah.
RobertAll right. That's a that's a call out to the listeners. If you need any vacation climbing, pur list put it on the list like this sounds pretty mega, fellas.
Nettie & DaveYeah. Yeah. Go to products. to products. Ms.
Ari GrodeIt does sound pretty amazing. what what was there a Was there any trouble with like language barrier or anything or was was climbing kind of a good medium for communication?
Nettie & DaveBurke.
Nettie & Daveum people speak pretty pretty good like especially in kola lumpur a lot of people speak english up north not so much but a guy that we were staying with who is the guy that deals with the upkeep of the area and stuff um his english was great and then otherwise just our phones make it so easy you can get you can get by it's not like you're having a full-blown conversation but you can like you can understand each other yeah

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Ari GrodeOkay.
Robertyeah yeah
Ari GrodeYeah.

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Nettie & DaveYeah, people are so friendly.
Ari GrodeCool.
Nettie & DaveIt's like, even if you're not you can kind of work it out.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Ari GrodeOkay. Cool. So did did you, What other areas did you hit in kind of that that Southeast ah Asia area by Malaysia, Thailand? Those are the two you've mentioned so far.
Nettie & DaveFrom there, we went we went straight to Tonsai.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & Daveah Tonsai's a place... You guys know Tonsai? I think most people know.

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Ari GrodeYeah.
RobertI mean, I've seen it and yeah, but I obviously have not been.
Nettie & DaveYeah. It's quite famous and like...
Ari Grodemy my My wife and my brother have been there, but I haven't yet. Yeah.
Nettie & Daveit's so it's really good it's the most polished thing was gonna say it's like if you want to know polish you go there the sweatiest place on the planet and you're climbing on the zero tech side of dual techs holds only it's wet is the best way to describe it's just so hot and sweaty and two fizz you're just hugging them with your disgusting sway body it's it's gross but it's really fun and beautiful

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Ari GrodeOkay.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveSo people like say it's an island, but it's actually connected to the mainland. But you have to go go there by sea because of you've got the beach, but then all around it is rock.
Ari Grodeokay

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Nettie & DaveSo you kind of unless unless you climb out of there and scramble for like jungle, you're you're trapped.
RobertGotcha.
Ari Grodeokay
Nettie & Daveyeah So you have to you have to go in and out by boat. um which is good, but also like everything's more expensive there because it's like a cat capped audience sort of thing.
RobertYeah.
Ari GrodeOh.
Nettie & DaveAnd it's not really a local experience. Everyone there is like a tourist, like a climbing tourist and just like, yeah, super fun vibes, like proper vibing, but yeah, not not a local work experience for sure.

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RobertInteresting.
Nettie & DaveYeah, it was hard to stay on budget there as well because everything was just more than it was on the mainland.
Nettie & DaveSo we kind of, at first, were not really eating enough. um but we decided to not do that we were just like we can just go over budget by a couple of pounds a day because we've been so under anyway in india like with overall we're still under budget but we we yeah we shouldn't really sacrifice food so we kind of just and campble yeah yeah it was that was a bad bad idea we learned the lesson fast though but then after that we went to crabby mainland
RobertRight.
Ari Grodeoh

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RobertYeah, dip into the India reserves. Yeah.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & Davewhich is, for one, it's a lot easier for the budget, and two, there's a lot more new rock there, so it's not polished, and it's it's just incredible climbing. Yeah, nice really, really good climbing. There's two places, one called Norfall, and the other was called, oh, what's it called? Spirit Mountain. Spirit Mountain. and Yeah.

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Nettie & DaveAnd these crags are amazing. That's where we're going back this year. We're not going to, we'll we'd probably do a few days in Tonsai, but we're not going stay in Tonsai. So...
Robertdon't Don't want to climb in this in the sweaty sauna anymore.
Nettie & DaveYeah, yeah. And North Falls and North Facing Krag as well. So it's just like shade all day. It's so good. Yeah, so nice.
Robertum Amazing.
Ari GrodeOh, nice.
Robertwhat's What's like the time to go? I mean, i'm I'm assuming now that you've been, you kind of know like the right season and stuff like that.

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Nettie & DaveChristmas.
RobertSo going to go back over the holidays?
Nettie & DaveWe're going to be there in, well, we're going to be in Thailand in October, November. Really, it starts November to, I don't know, maybe. Jan. To Jan, f yeah, Feb. ish um so we'll be there a little bit early but towards the end of october it should be should be better i think all of the places that we went to in southeast asia kind of the same season is from at the very earliest really october until maybe march and because we visited so many places so after thailand we went
RobertYeah, yeah.

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Robertnice
Nettie & Daveto Laos for two months. After that, we went to Vietnam for, ah don't know how long we were there for, maybe maybe a month and a half or something. But because we were getting so psyched in the places that we were in, we wanted to stay for longer.

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Nettie & DaveAnd by the time we got to the next place, we pushed it. When we were in Laos, was 40 degrees and we were climbing.
RobertYeah, that's not ideal.
Nettie & DaveSo yeah, the perfect time is Christmas.
Ari GrodeOh my gosh.
RobertWow. Yeah,
Nettie & DaveAnd we were there in, i think it was eight i don't know when it was it was too hot we turned up way too late and it was way too hot people people said they went in december and it was like 10 degrees super crisp yeah and oh man it's so sweaty when we're over there so bad yeah so that's that's our plan this time we actually have more of a plan on where we're gonna hit at what times yeah
Robertyeah.

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Robertyeah yeah
Ari GrodeSo I got, I got two questions. Um, I'd love to understand, like, what did your actual climbing look like? I mean, were you guys just going out and trying to sample, ah you know, whatever classics there were? or were was it more, you know, trying to...

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Ari GrodeI guess, push your, your physical ability and, and, you know, see what you could do in terms of a progression standpoint. And then, um, two, how was, where was kind of the social media aspect of this, uh, at this time? Like, how was that kind of following along? Were you building up a pretty good following? And, and I mean, were you starting to to do anything to use that to support, you know, the lifestyle at all?

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Nettie & DaveFor the first question, I obviously had just come off my injury. So I wasn't training at all whilst i had my Achilles injury. I was doing more rehab for my ankle and stuff.
Nettie & DaveSo my grade had dropped quite a bit. I was just like excited that I could actually climb again. So for me, especially at the start in India, I was just like happy that I could climb and just like enjoying climbing.
Ari Grodeyeah

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Nettie & Daveum But basically through the whole process, I just i just love...
RobertSure.
Nettie & Davebeing at that point where you can't do the climb straight away and it's enjoyable to work out and then you do it. Like, it doesn't matter if it's like 7a or
Robertsure
Nettie & Daveeight b It's like, if you get that process and you enjoy that process, whatever fitness you're at the time is like where i where i like it. But obviously because I had been doing that for so long, the grade has progressed back up to where I was, which is super fun.

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Nettie & DaveYeah, I'd say. kind of Not really.
RobertAnd with, and I mean, that's, that makes sense. Were you guys doing any sort of like, it sounds like primarily focused on sport climbing and Boulder, but like, did you ever do any like multi-pitch or like that in certain areas? Or is it pretty straightforward? and
Nettie & DaveWe kind of bought as little gear as we could because if we were carrying it around everywhere. um So we just had like the one rope, a certain amount of quick draws.

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RobertYep.
Nettie & DaveI don't think we even bought, we didn't have helmets. when We didn't, we were in that place in India. We had to borrow one and we had one helmet, but ah yeah. Yeah, we didn't really do, it was, it we kind of intended on it being maybe bouldering and sport, but there just isn't really that much bouldering. So sport took over.

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Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertYeah, it makes sense.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveBut I don't know, for me, I was just climbing. I didn't really have a goal. Just we were kind of doing two days on, one day off was the plan. And that's that's what we ended up just doing. Yeah.
Ari GrodeJust whatever.
Nettie & DaveAnd with the budget, um we couldn't really do rest day activities and stay on budget. So like we were just climbing all the time, basically. Yeah. Yeah, we plan to do like 50-50, like 50% like just fun travel stuff and film that.

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Ari GrodeYeah.
Nettie & DaveAnd then on the other days, just do climbing i and then just don't film that. But it kind of like completely switched the other way where we just climbed and we just film climbing. Yeah, the the social media naturally grew with what we're doing because we had the drone and we just like to film it.
Ari GrodeOkay.

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Nettie & Daveum I think because we're in interesting places where people don't get so much footage of that, I just put that together, put that out, it would do well. Yeah, just kind of naturally progressed.
Nettie & DaveI think by the time we got to...
RobertYeah,
Nettie & Davetonai were like around 10,000. Yeah, I think so. We hit 10,000 while we were in Thailand and that was three months in or something.
Robertyeah

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Nettie & DaveWhich was weird because like up to that point, it just us climbing in places where one knew us. And there was this number, which meant nothing.
Robertyeah yeah
Nettie & DaveBut then as soon as we went to ton Tonsai and like everyone's a climber, ah people started recognizing us. It's like, oh, this is this is kind of weird.
RobertThat's wild. Yeah. You get, you get the, you get the K next to your number and all of a sudden things start to change.
Nettie & DaveWhat's happening here?

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RobertHuh?
Nettie & DaveYeah, yeah, yeah. It was weird.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah. Like instant friends.
Robertit's
Nettie & DaveYeah, yeah.
RobertThat's awesome.
Ari GrodeAnd where these, these are people from just all over that just, you know, had found your page about.
Nettie & DaveYeah. And a few people who had like... come out because they knew we were gonna be there. And like, yeah, just like, yeah.
Ari GrodeOh, cool.
RobertWow.
Nettie & DaveSuper surreal. Yeah, seems really weird with 10,000, but I think it's such a niche sport. Like people that are going to Tonsai, look up hashtag Tonsai, and then we're putting all these videos out.

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Ari GrodeRight.
Nettie & DaveSo they're like, I guess they were just seeing a lot of our stuff, the people that were going there.
Robertsure
Nettie & DaveSo yeah, no, it was really strange, but really cool. We met some really nice people, just hung out with people, made friends.
Robertyeah i'd imagine with like the like i guess the niche of like backpacking climbing like travel climbing uh yeah exactly like there's there's certainly like a uh

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Nettie & DaveYeah, Southeast Asia too, where it's just not like publicized.
Robertyou know, there's an element of like people are researching, right? Like they're they're on the road, they're looking for places. So like, it's not even just like, oh, they're trying to get beta for a particular route. It's like, they want guidance, they want advice on like where to go and how to find the spot.

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RobertSo I'm sure your videos have helped a lot of people in terms of like planning their trips and all of that.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertSo that's ah super fun. I'm curious, I wanna circle back to Laos as well, cause you mentioned it is like an incredible place. It looks beautiful and, obviously you weren't there at the ideal time, but she, it sounds like you're going back. So like, what about Lau was like really special for you guys that despite it being 40 degrees, you're like, Oh, we need to, we need to come back here.

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Nettie & DaveHave you seen any photos of green climbers of the place? What it looks like?
RobertI haven't seen that of the climate. I've seen it of the country. i mean, I know that they have quite a unique landscape to say the least.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah, this place is special. It's ah right next to Tekek, which is like the border town between Laos and Thailand.
RobertUm, but
Robertokay.
RobertYep. Yeah. yeah

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Nettie & DaveAnd it's, I think it's another car system, isn't it? Just one huge car system. And the climbing there is crazy. I've never seen a roof like it.
Nettie & DaveLike the best way to describe it is like, just imagine...
Robertokay
Nettie & Davea 40 meter like full overhang and someone's just punched jugs into the roof.

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RobertOh my God.
Nettie & DaveLike serious like handlebars and everything.
Ari Grodeuh mid 5 10.
RobertI'm sick.
Nettie & DaveLike we've never seen ah roof that steep that has a six, a six B in it. Like what is six B? We need to get great conversion back up.
RobertOh, yeah, we got it.
Ari Grodeah bi five ten

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Nettie & DaveYeah. And it's just like, It's just overhanging jugs. it It's crazy. Like how can you have so something so easy in such a steep roof? The hardest thing in the roof is 8A plus, right? So 513C, I know that one.
Nettie & DaveBut like for for the angle, that is just ridiculous.
RobertOK.
Nettie & DaveLike the holds are that good, but that's the hardest route in the roof. And it's huge. It's just absolutely massive. You're getting like, Not even really a bat hang. You could just put your legs over and hang on it like it was a bar almost.

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Nettie & DaveJust the craziest gym rack climbing you've ever seen. Sometimes you get to hook an arm in and hang on your arm. and But it's not all like that. It has normal climbing as well, um like other angles.
Robertyeah
Nettie & DaveBut that that one specific crag was just hooked. It was so cool.
RobertYeah, it sounds epic.
Ari GrodeNice.
Robertwhat What was the name of that Craig?
Nettie & DaveIt's actually just called The Roof. It's not that inventive.

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RobertYeah, nice.
Ari GrodeThe roof.
Nettie & DaveJust The Roof Tekek and you can't miss it. So there's Tekek Town and then there's ah a place run by, it used to be ah run by an American couple, but i don't know, I think they sold it now.
Nettie & DaveAnd it's called Green Climbers Home.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveAnd they have and like a nice little restaurant there and they have like and a campsite they have a few huts to rent out. And all the climbing is like 100 metres walking distance from this bungalow.

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RobertYeah, yeah.
Nettie & DaveSo yeah, it's super.
RobertIt's like the Miguel's of Lau. Sorry.
Nettie & DaveYeah, literally.
RobertYeah, that's awesome.
Nettie & DaveWe didn't actually stay there because of the budget, though. Because, again, it's a capped audience situation, so it's more westernised prices.
RobertYeah, yeah.
RobertOf course.
Nettie & Daveum so we actually had a scooter that I think was £3 a day, and we would just commute in from the actual town that we stayed in.
Ari GrodeWow.

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Nettie & Daveum We were paying £5 a night for our accommodation, and it had AC and a mini fridge. like
Ari Grodewow
Nettie & DaveIt was the nicest place we stayed on the whole trip, and it was...
Ari GrodeLuxury living.
RobertYeah, yeah.
Nettie & DaveSo cheap. And when it's 40 degrees heat, you don't really want to be staying in a tent. Yeah.
RobertNo, no, definitely not.
Ari GrodeFor sure. Yeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Ari Grodecan Can you talk about that a little bit? I mean, where was your tip what was what did typical accommodations look like? I know it was ah kind of covered on the on the part where you were in India, but.

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Nettie & Daveum When we um but to Malaysia, we were staying with a guy who was boating there. He put us up for free. That was super nice. And Tonsai was expensive because was capped audience.
Nettie & DaveWe were just in a jungle hut ah with like, you Electrously from 8 p.m. to 8 a.m. m Off a generator. With a fan and a mosquito net and a cold shower. You don't want a hot shower though. Cold shower's fine.

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RobertNo. yeah
Nettie & DaveWhich was super expensive.
Ari GrodeYeah.
Nettie & Daveit it wasn't I think it was like £7 a night. Super expensive for our budget. For our budget, trying to eat and stuff at the same time, it was more than we had spent so far anywhere else.
RobertIs the budget 10 pound a night total or per person?
Nettie & DaveAnd then each a day per person.
Robertah Okay. Okay.
Nettie & DaveYeah, that would be very hard.

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RobertThat'd be tricky.
Nettie & DaveThis was already pretty difficult.
RobertYeah. Yeah.
Nettie & Davewhat That would be, yeah.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveAnd then in mainland... ah grabby we were staying in this really nice hotel uh well really nice compared to mud hut and um i had like a fan and all day electricity and a fridge and it was really nice and then yeah but lao as we just said it was like air con and and stuff like that so yeah i mean most of the time we were either having accommodation through friends and people that we were like working for almost or we were paying for accommodation most of the time that we were paying for accommodation it was either extremely basic and fine because it was clean or like really really rough like exactly how you would imagine like I'd go on Agoda so like booking.com but I guess it has more Asia on there

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RobertYeah, yeah.
RobertYeah,
Nettie & DaveAnd I'd just find the cheapest thing, which is a really bad idea because oh some of the places, like, just, like, the sheets are yellow.
Robertyeah.
Nettie & DaveThe pillows are clearly... Someone's just been smoking a cigarette while laying on it.
RobertYeah,
Nettie & DaveReally disgusting, some of the places. But usually this was um while we were moving. So we'd stay there for one or two nights on our way to the next place because actually when we...

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Robertyeah. yeah
Nettie & Davewould arrive at a country and at a climbing area, we'd be there for a really long period of time. So we we'd end up learning the area, finding what place was best, and then just spending all of our time there.
Nettie & DaveSo we weren't actually hostel hopping, really, unless we were moving around, um which is also a lot cheaper because you you get, like, deals for staying in places longer or you just know where to get cheap food.

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RobertYeah. yeah
Nettie & DaveYeah. The cheapest, nicest places were never online. Yeah. They were always... word of mouth or you'd have just go and knock on people's doors what said like you know uh room available sort of thing um and then you just stay with a really nice family and have a really nice local experience for like a fraction of a price which was really nice and helping you yeah yeah yeah
RobertYeah.

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RobertYeah. The, the homes, the homestay setups are pretty good sometimes too, where you're just like, like chilling with the fam, you know, meeting the kids and yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.
Nettie & Daveyeah that's what we had in vietnam
Ari GrodeYeah, it seems. Yeah, it seems like you kind of learned the way to navigate that whole thing. That's, that's cool.
Nettie & DaveYeah, you're always over budget in the first week and you're like, are we're not going to be able to do it.
Ari Grodeum

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Nettie & DaveAnd then a month later, you've worked everything out and that's all just come down because you know how to navigate the area and not spend loads of money.
Ari GrodeCurious, was there anywhere in the first year, I'm sure there was, but was there any like main areas that you wanted to hit that you kind of didn't make it to?
Nettie & DaveYes, and we're going this time.

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Ari GrodeOkay.
RobertLove that.
Nettie & DaveYeah. So mainly the Philippines we wanted to
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & Daveum And we weren't going to do China last time because I think like the visas and stuff are a bit more expensive and we didn't think we could do it on the budget. But this time we're still going to do it on a small budget, but we're not going to be very stuck on this £10 a day thing. It's just going to be cheap, but not specifically £10 a day.

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Nettie & DaveSo this time we are definitely adding Philippines and we're adding on China as well.
RobertAmazing.
Nettie & Davewhich I've never been to either of them. Dave's been to China a long time ago.
Ari GrodeCool.
Nettie & DaveThere was a place in North Thailand too We had to like either go there or go to Laos. We decided to go straight to Laos because we knew it was coming out of season in Laos and then we wanted to move on. And we heard rumours that there wasn't that much hard stuff at this place in North Thailand.

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Nettie & DaveChiang Mai, yeah.
RobertOh yeah.
Nettie & Daveno And you want to go?
RobertYeah. I've heard Chang. I've heard Chang. My is like a cool, uh, town from like a, like tourism standpoint.
Nettie & DaveYeah, touristy vibes.
RobertUh, but I haven't heard about the climb in there, but that, that whole area, i mean, it's supposed to be beautiful. So I'm sure you guys have a good time. What you mentioned like this next time. Can you guys elaborate on that a little bit? Is there kind of a grand plan for another full year or what does next time look like?

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Nettie & DaveThis one's getting way more planned out than the last one.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveWe're going on the 31st? We're going in two weeks. It's on the 23rd of August.
RobertNice.
Nettie & DaveWe fly back to Malaysia and we're just doing a whole new Southeast Asia stint, basically. um but better planning better times of year and don't know yeah we have some cool ideas gonna get involved in like some bolting and stuff with people that we met last time it's gonna be like last time but better or I think yeah way more planned out

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Ari GrodeSo, and it seems like, you know, the, the, the one year plan has turned into, you know, kind of an extended future. ah
Nettie & Davea lifetime we hope a lifetime
Ari Grodeyeah. Uh, can you talk about that a little bit? I mean, what, how did, uh, what, how did that progress in terms of, you know, realizing that you could do this longer and then, you know, you know, what kind of is the plan with that a little bit?
Nettie & Daveum

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RobertYeah, did like a switch flip and you guys like, okay, like when we were in Laos, we realized, oh, we we kind of got this figured out or like, is it just still a work in progress?
Nettie & DaveThank you.
Nettie & DaveWhen we got to the end of the year and we were like under, we were under budget, including any flights that we'd taken. So I think we spent, I do have the exact number.
RobertThat's pretty good.

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Nettie & DaveI've had to find out on my phone, but if you're earning, if you're spending 10 pound a day each, we need to earn 20 pounds a day each to continue living that lifestyle, which is not really that much money.
Nettie & Daveum Yeah. We kind of just figured we could either come back and get normal jobs or we can, just do little bits and keep going. Like we're so low maintenance and we're obviously pretty comfortable with uncomfortable.

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Nettie & Daveum
RobertYeah. yeah
Nettie & DaveYeah, I just, I would rather keep living like that and just climbing every day than come back and live in the UK spending 10 times the amount and like maybe getting to go out on the weekend sometimes.
RobertYeah, for the listeners, some quick maths, that's 20 pounds a day for 365 days out of the year is only $7,300.
Nettie & DaveYeah.

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RobertSo pretty impressive that you're able to keep it within that, I guess I would say. And like like you said, that's not that hard to...
Nettie & DaveYeah, I think it was under that, including flights.
RobertDang, that's wild.
Nettie & DaveSo it's just like, yeah, it was really crazy.
RobertThat's wild.
Nettie & DaveAnd people started like inviting us places as well, which is awesome. Like we got invited to ah Turkey.
RobertYeah, yeah.
Nettie & Daveah I'm probably going to slaughter this, but Gage barely.
RobertCool. Cool.

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Ari GrodeMm-hmm.
Nettie & DaveYeah, I think that was pretty good actually. And then we got invited to Cyprus, which was like, they were just about to release this new guidebook and they wanted to advertise a guidebook. And then we happened to find a work away in Kalimnos, Greece.
RobertNice.
Nettie & DaveSo then we had these like three places lined up, which we could get to via public transport and land again. And we're like, let's let's just do it. like And then so for all them three places, we already had our accommodation sorted.

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RobertNice.
Nettie & DaveSo, yeah, obviously it's going to more expensive, but... think Turkey, we were under £10 day. Cyprus, I think we were bang on, basically. Kalimnos is really touristy.
Nettie & DaveSo we were, like, slightly over, but not by very much because accommodation was paid for.
Robertsure
Nettie & Daveum And then we came back, decked out our crappy little car and went to Spain to live in that for three months to use up our 90 days that we get there.

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RobertNice.
Ari GrodeWow.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Ari GrodeCool.
Nettie & DaveThanks for Brexit. yeah no we're waiting for it but it hasn't done it at all
Ari GrodeSo that it it seems like the psych has not wavered in the slightest.
Robertah So this next, this next like Southeast Asia stint, like how long do you guys anticipate that lasting?

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Nettie & Davei imagine it will last until about april because last time we stayed until july and that was disgusting like it's too hot it's raining in a lot of the places you can't climb at that time of year, we just stayed out there for too long.
Nettie & Daveum I think as we're doing Philippines, maybe February or something, and then we'll do China, China can be pushed back slightly further than the other places. But after China, I think we'll be coming home and then like, if we don't already have another plan, we'll rustle up a plan.

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Nettie & DaveI like the idea of South America, but nothing's really solid yet.
Robertsure it's some pretty wild climbing in peru that's all say yeah yeah yeah
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveYeah, I've heard. Peru, Brazil. but This is another thing is people, because of the page, they're like, you should come here. have to come here. You can stay here at this place. And we're like, well, that just helps us. And yeah, if we can advertise places that want the advertisement, it's just a win-win.

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Robertsure
Ari GrodeYeah, absolutely.
Nettie & Daveand And because of a page, like so many people be reaching out and say, like hey, like do you think I can climb in Kuala Lumpur, like, like asking you for a low down on it.
Nettie & DaveAnd we give them a low down about like, like, can I find a belay there? I'm like, well, you can at weekends, but you can't like during the week. So

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RobertRight. Oh,
Nettie & DaveWe've decided to like do like these group trips when we go around this time.
Robertah cool.
Nettie & DaveSo we're hosting a group trip on the 25th for a week in a Kuala Lumpur. And it sold out pretty quickly, which is awesome. And yeah, just like getting a group of site people together and like everyone just climbing together, really. Hostel vibes.

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Nettie & DaveSo yeah. Not that hostel vibes like your ankle hostel vibes.
Nettie & DaveGood hostel vibes. Please do.
RobertAchilles stay intact.
Ari GrodeYes. I saw that on your, I was perusing the website. I saw those on there. So well we'll be sure to shout that out for people that are interested, but that that looks pretty cool. And it's, it's not really like a guided thing.
Ari GrodeIt's really just like a hangout, go climbing with like-minded people.
Nettie & Daveyeah yeah yeah everyone has to be competent and know what they're doing and stuff so that's what we thought would be cool because we can do them for so ridiculously cheap because now we know how to sort of do it that way like the the first one the week in malaysia was 250 pounds each obviously you have to get there and stuff but the trip itself like and sort your own food yeah

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RobertYeah.
Nettie & Daveyeah yeah but we'll do some activities and just like get everyone to where the climbing is good and then there'll be belays because we're facilitating it in a way where there'll be people so yeah kind of just works out for everyone and we just get to stay in a nice place that's not like a pound a night and just hang out with people which is kind of all we want to do anyway so yeah just really fun
Ari GrodeHa ha ha.
RobertYeah. Yeah.

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RobertI mean, that's perfect. Cause when you're like, when you're traveling on a budget like that, which I'm assuming everyone that's going to be on these trips are is doing, it's like, it's the hardest thing to do is like one, find climbing partners to like sorting out food is like better when you're in a group.
Nettie & Daveyeah and yeah yeah yeah
RobertAnyways, you can do like group meals and like dinners and all that stuff too. So it sounds like a great time.

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Nettie & Davereally excited i think it should be fun yeah should be really good it's happening soon yeah yeah so we've got one one of them in malaysia one of them mainland thailand and one of them we're sorting out in vietnam the moment yeah the other two are sold out but vietnam's got some spots left
RobertNice.
Nettie & DaveYeah, but that won't be until January, so we're in a rush to fill those up. It'll be really good. And potentially more afterwards, but nothing's ah solid yet.

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Robertnice
Nettie & DaveBut yeah, that should be really fun. Looking forward to van
Ari Grodewant to ask, what are some of what would you say are some of the hardest parts of traveling like on a budget like this? like What are some of those like the the dark sides that nobody talks about?
Nettie & Daveto them. I think two come straight to mind. One is definitely rest days in hot countries where you can't afford to go anywhere and you're in your little house and you don't really want to go outside because it's too hot.

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Ari Grodeokay
Nettie & DaveSo you get kind of like a bit of cabin fever sometimes, and which this time we're definitely going to try and like avoid by spending more money. But yeah, there was some like banging your head against the wall like days definitely especially towards the end when it was getting like too hot in like yeah malaysia and stuff well like you can go out and you can do something but then you know even if we went to an air con more it would have been nice but then you have to pay for a train to get there and stuff this yeah it's pretty restrictive on that amount i feel like we could have spent maybe an extra five pounds each or something

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Nettie & DaveAnd it would have been a completely different experience. Like you don't have to spend much more for it to be really like a lot more comfortable, but we were doing everything as cheap as humanly possible.
Ari GrodeOh, cool.
Nettie & DaveYeah. The other thing, I i mean, i don't know what your other thing was, but mine was when I got sick. I got so sick in Vietnam and there was just, the accommodation we were in was horrific.

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Nettie & DaveWe were volunteering for ah like one of the companies there, a climbing company. Deepwater solo company. And we were in this room that was super uncomfortable.
RobertOh, cool.
Ari Grodeum cool
Nettie & Davelike we were just sleeping on our camping gear on the floor because the bed was so uncomfortable. Did we have a fan? I don't even know. It was really hot in there, but I got really sick. The toilet was two floors down. The bum gun did not work.

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Nettie & Daveor of the bidet, the flush didn't work.
RobertThe bum cut.
Nettie & DaveSo I'm like waking up, running down the stairs, throwing up, bucket in the toilet, throwing up again, other side, running back upstairs, trying to get to sleep, just like crying for a bit, waking up, going down again.
RobertOh, man.
Nettie & DaveLike it's horrible. When you're sick and you're in a place like that, it was so rough, like scarred for life for sure. That's my number one. Being sick on that budget, not cool.

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Nettie & DaveMy other thing was like things we take for granted, even i take for granted today, become luxuries. So like when when anything what doesn't like sustain you becomes a luxury you really know like how lucky you are in this world you know like as neti just said coffees like every time i had would have a coffee i'd be like this is the best thing in the world you know this is such a treat such a nice but then you come home like yeah i'll have a coffee this morning whatever sort of thing just like yeah like we went out for like a dessert on on neti's birthday and oh man

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RobertHa ha ha ha
Ari GrodeI
Nettie & Davedon't think I had a dessert that what tasted that good. And India, yes, we were like living for free, but we didn't stay in the bed once. And when we got to Malaysia, we got to this this guy's house to stay with him.

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Nettie & Davewas like, I'm really sorry that the bed's not that comfortable. was like, you have a bed.
Nettie & DaveThis is like s the best thing ever. I don't have to sleep on the floor. This is amazing. yeah yeah But it also i made for really good like stories and stuff.
RobertYeah.
Ari GrodeAnd,
Nettie & Daveyou know so
Ari Grodeoh, of course. Yeah, that's amazing. um What, what is, what is, what are typical meals look like? Like, what do you guys typically eat to, especially with the budget you're working under?

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Nettie & DaveDepending on where we are, um but chicken rice and vegetables, essentially.
Ari GrodeOkay. Okay.
Nettie & Daveum You kind of like change the way you look at things because of your wanting more food for less money. You're looking at how much quantity you get compared to like...
Nettie & Davequality which isn't like the best but definitely is it was easier in some places though yeah like some places it's really easy to get cheap healthy food and in other places not so much and every day everywhere that we were we just had oats for breakfast so we weren't paying for breakfast ever that would like give us another chunk of money to spend on lunch dinner like other necessities but we'd have

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Robertyeah
Nettie & Davea bag of oats, some fruit, and just like put some water or honey in with that. It's really sad breakfast. But oats fills you up and it's really cheap and like it's actually pretty healthy. So at least you start the day off well.
Robertyou get you get used to like the the budget breakfast though because like whatever rhythm you're in like when we were backpacking uh we'd
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah.

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Robertwe're in Japan for a bit and like the seven 11's there, like our gourmet, you know what i mean?
Nettie & DaveOh man, that's so good, right? I'm so excited for the 7-Eleven.
RobertYou can go get like a little rice ball for like a dollar or whatever it is.
RobertAnd it's like, all right, that and a little juice. And like that was breakfast for like two weeks while we were there. But yeah, it's, it's kind of funny when you get in that rhythm.
Nettie & Daveyeah I mean, we were doing that in Thailand too.
RobertThere you go.
Nettie & DaveYeah. 7-Elevens are amazing. Our oats would be with a yogurt or something.
RobertYeah.

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Nettie & DaveLike you can just go and get something that's been in an actual fridge.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah, 7-Elevens were good.
RobertYeah.
Ari GrodeMm hmm.
Ari GrodeAnd and what is what is kind of your kit look like?
RobertWhat?
Ari Grodemean, what do you guys have on you? You know, at all times?
Nettie & Davea lot of climbing gear and not very much of anything else.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveWe didn't make a mistake of like taking a camping set up last time we went, um but we use it basically twice and both times weren't ideal.

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Ari Grodeokay
Nettie & Daveah One, because of we would have to have somewhere else where we'd leave like our ah big bulky bag so we couldn't tent with everything. We'd have to leave our stuff with a friend or something.
Nettie & Daveand And yeah, um also the camping spots we stayed in weren't that good either. Like we stayed in this, do you know guys know Hampi in India?

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RobertNo.
Nettie & Davewe we It's where Chris Sharma did his movie, yeah, bouldering there.
Ari Grodeno
RobertOh, ya yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a really, there's like some amazing bouldering right? Yeah, yeah.
Nettie & Daveand And we left our staff in Badami and went to happy of just our tent and a pair of climbing shoes because it's all bouldering. And ah we stayed in this this cave for the night.

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Nettie & DaveAnd then the locals were like, you you shouldn't have done that. There's like tigers and crocodiles.
RobertOh my goodness.
Nettie & DaveBears. Bears. Yeah. Yeah, we we won't do that again. Yeah, that's pretty rough. Yeah, the tents are up. was not worth the amount of room that it took up for how much we ended up using it.
Nettie & DaveAccommodation is kind of so cheap as well. ah but And it helps if you're in a couple because you can kind of split that as well. um But yeah, the tent set up definitely wasn't worth it. There were some other things that we bought with us that we wouldn't bring this time.

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Nettie & Daveremember off the top of my head what they are. Not the shower bag. Yeah, yeah, the shower bag. It's like there's showers everywhere. They're cold showers, but... You don't have to bring some of that stuff with you. We overpacked and overprepared and little small things that you'd use, like just just small things. We didn't need to bring a massive pack of um zip ties in case something broke. Like you just go and get one for a penny at the shop if you need a zip tie. It's like we were preparing to be in the middle of nowhere where really you're in towns and there's pharmacies and you can basically buy anything you want.

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Nettie & DaveAnd it's going to be a fraction of a price because you're not in... yeah the west the west so so it's actually better to buy stuff out there instead of instead buy it before you go
RobertRight.
RobertI'm curious too. ah Like I noticed on your pages that you both recently sent your hardest grades. um

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Nettie & Davehardest grades in england the uk yeah it was my hardest grade for the first
RobertSo in England. Oh, okay. Okay. um Well, that might change. Okay.
Ari Grodeand okay
RobertWell, that might change it a little bit, but like um what is, I guess, like what does training look like or how do you guys feel about in terms of progressing like from a strength standpoint and and things like that?

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RobertLike obviously you mentioned some places you're just trying to session things that are, workable within like one or two sessions, like maybe you don't have it right away, but like, do you guys have any sort of regimen for figuring out how to train while you're traveling or is it mainly when you're in the UK, you can kind of like have like a access to gyms and stuff again.
Robertdo you not worry about it at all? Like, what does that progression look like if there is one?

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Nettie & Davein an ideal world we uh we've done it in a few places but then you just get out of habit um which is two days climbing and then at the end of a second day you leave a bit of energy just to do some training so like fingerboarding or pull-ups or we've had a trx with us um some antagonist some antagonist stuff and then when and we were in a
RobertYeah.

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Nettie & DaveCyprus, they actually had like a gym set up in the house.
RobertOh,
Nettie & Daveah So we'd use their gym weights and yeah just like really, really do a good workout and have like a proper rest day. But yeah, we normally do a lot antagonistic stuff and push ups and stuff just to like keep the body healthy more than anything else. I say training's definitely taken a massive back step though, because before we left for this trip, I was really, really into my training.

(01:13:42):
Nettie & DaveAnd now I definitely don't really do it as much. It's more just climbing. But I think because I've been climbing for a lot less time, um just being out on rock is what's made me progress so much more than any training ever was.
Nettie & DaveSo I think i when we left, I just climbed two 7B pluses, so 512Cs. And now I've done, i don't know how many of them, but like now I've done three AAs. So five 13 B. And you've onsired seven B plus. Yeah.

(01:14:12):
Nettie & DaveYeah. So my grades like gone up a lot, but that just through climbing, but I'm i'm pretty sure I can't do as many pull-ups as I could. Like when we left.
RobertYeah. I
Nettie & Davebut my actual climbing's just improved from actually just climbing. So I would say we're both definitely weaker, but we're, we're climbing better, better climbers, but weaker but also our bodies have probably changed more from like a bouldering physique where you're just like, you're a pure muscle.
Robertah

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Nettie & DaveSo like a more lean, like you can just hold on forever. Sport climbing physique. yeah So, so yeah, them two factors.
RobertYeah, it makes sense. I mean, also, if you're if you're spending that much time on rock, like there's no way you're going to get worse at climbing. So like it's just, yeah, it's going to happen.
Nettie & DaveYeah, found yeah especially ah we're psyched and we we push our grade. ah every Every day we're doing something hard for us.
RobertYeah,

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Nettie & DaveWe don't like we don't really have mileage days. Yeah, we don't have mileage days. Stupid and we should do that because we get burnt out.
Robertyeah.
Nettie & DaveBut but we also get too psyched.
RobertYeah, yeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Ari GrodeAmazing. What
Ari Grodewhat do you think, Rob? I feel like we're getting kind of towards a natural ending point here.
RobertYeah, I like it's pretty good. I mean, i guess one thing that I'm a little curious about is like how how long do you guys think the backpacking side of your your travel or like your better way to say it, like how long do you think like the the budget backpacking side of like the ah climbing adventures will last?

(01:15:38):
RobertLike, do you think this is a journey you guys are on for the next five years? Do you think you'll be doing this for 20 years? Do you think like we got one one or two years of like big pushes left on this like kind of 10 quid, 15 quid a day type of budget?
RobertOr do you think at some point you'll stop?
Nettie & DaveFor me, it's... wait Yeah, for me, it's a hard question because of right now we're so psyched that it feels like we could do it forever.

(01:16:01):
RobertRight.
Nettie & Daveum But we have spoken to travelers, which are like two, three, four years in, and they're just like, I'm just not psyched anymore. Like, I just want to have a stable base and like, you know, have a proper normal life. um I can see it happening, but I can't see it happening anytime soon, especially the way we do it because of we stay...
RobertSure.

(01:16:25):
Nettie & Davein one place for so long it kind of feels like a home like if i had a backpack on my back and i was going to hostel to hostel to a hostel i think it burned me out really quickly but because of we're like really settling in a place like making it feel like home and when it either gets too hot our visa expire or it feels like the right time to move on we're moving on then it kind of feels like
RobertYeah,

(01:16:50):
Nettie & Daveway nicer you know you can get proper projects and like get proper routine going and you don't just get burnt out like you would if you just had a backpack on your back yeah i think but i think we wouldn't have to like if we started making a bit more money i don't think that we'd start spending loads of money i think it would be like a little more comfortable eventually i'd like to do a van
Ari GrodeHmm.
Robertyeah it sounds like you kind of ah sorry, go ahead. and nadie

(01:17:14):
Nettie & Daveand do Europe in a van. And right now we can't do that on this budget, but if we had a bit more money, then we could do that on a low budget as well. So I think the budget travel thing would still happen, but if we made a bit more than just like different avenues and places, like if we wanted to climb in the US, for example, which I'd love to do one day, we can't do that on 10 pound a day.
Nettie & DaveSo just open up the world to like more places that we get to explore on what is a budget to that area. But yeah, just open up more options basically.

(01:17:45):
Ari GrodeWe'd love to hear if you had like a top three list, maybe both of you could do this, you know, of your favorite spots, just from an overall vibe, maybe, you know, climbing the the location, et cetera.
Nettie & DaveI think they're going to be probably the same.
Ari Grodewhat What those might be? Well, that'd be cool.
Nettie & DaveYeah, I've. There's definitely different factors to different lists.

(01:18:08):
RobertYeah, yeah.
Nettie & Daveum There's like pure climbing. And there's like the vibe. As well.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & Daveum For me, for just climbing, Geek Berli in Turkey is amazing. It is like just looking at the rock, it's just like ah work of art. It's just so beautiful to look at.

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Nettie & DaveAnd like the climbing on it is just awesome it's just like so gymnastic ah it's got everything as well like it's got slab it's got but mainly overhanging gym gymnastic stuff and it's just yeah it's just so fun just so nice you're in the mountains and it's also got such a vibe there because of everyone stays in these little campsites and everyone just like mingles and like chills out proper community vibes So definitely for me, number one is Turkey. Yeah. my I already knew that number one was going to be Turkey. That's also my favorite.

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Nettie & DaveJust for all of those reasons.
Ari Grodeyeah Okay.
Nettie & DaveAnd it's, yeah, it's just very cool. That has to be number one. well Number two, don't know what yours is. What's yours? I don't know now. i feel like i have to think about it again. Maybe I really liked Vietnam.
Nettie & DaveThat was my number two.
Ari GrodeOh.
Nettie & DaveVietnam was, um there were two places. There was the place where you would have seen Deepwater Solo before. which was very cool, but it's also where i got sick, I'm a bit traumatized from there. That was not my favorite.

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Nettie & DaveBut the other one, Hulang, which is like two hours north of the capital, Hanoi, it's like rice paddy fields and just greenery everywhere you look.
Nettie & DaveAnd you're in literally the middle of nowhere. So there's kids on bikes riding past, like super excited to see you. um Yeah, just the locals. Farmers in Vietnamese hats and the fields working, just like waving at you. Everyone's so happy to see Yeah, just an amazing place. And then the the actual climbing was so good. Just so much fun.

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Nettie & DaveAnd they've done a lot actually since we were last there too. And we didn't spend as long there as we did in other places. So... I'm crazy crazy psyched to go back there that's probably the the place that I'm the most excited to revisit when we go back to Asia and as you were saying earlier like it's a local place and you're staying with a family and they got like two two girls and they're just like so happy and it's like a super like you're just basically staying with a wholesome vibes yeah
Ari GrodeOh, cool. Hmm.

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RobertYeah, that's awesome.
Nettie & Davethat with like autumn climbing and it's literally like flat land with just like rice paddy fields growing and then these huge car systems just coming like it looked like massive alien spaceships or something had just landed there and you can just climb on them it's just so cool ridiculous
RobertYeah, it almost sounds like you're in like a whole different world at that point, but that sounds really cool.

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Nettie & Daveyeah now things get tricky where's your number three don't know everywhere's good
RobertOh,
Nettie & Davechina I think mine still has to be Rocklands, you know.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & DaveRocklands in South Africa. Like, as we said earlier, there's not very much else apart climbing. But I think it's the only place I've been where, like, normally you have rocks, right?

(01:21:19):
Nettie & Daveand you're looking for holds to climb up them. i mean, if there's like holds, you can get to the top and that's awesome. There is the other way around. Most of the rocks have got too many holds and you're looking for ones without the holds to make it like a harder problem to get to the top.
Nettie & DaveAnd like all the tops have got like chicken heads and that really nice toppings.
Ari GrodeOh, interesting.

(01:21:40):
Nettie & DaveAnd it's just like, yeah, super nice views. Yeah, chicken heads is like, they literally look like chicken head jugs. a handle thing to top out.
Ari GrodeYeah.
Nettie & DaveI explain this cup like that. It looks like that. You just hold this big chicken head.
Ari GrodeYeah.
Nettie & Davelooks like a chicken head.
Robertyeah
Nettie & DaveYeah. And yeah, the climbing there is just super fun. It was very cool. And it feels like you're just you're out there, you know? There's just like baboons around you and gazelle and gezalan yeah, super cool.

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Ari GrodeSweet.
Nettie & DaveI'll pick Kalimnos.
Ari GrodeKalimnos.
Nettie & DaveYeah. Yeah. You know about Kalimnos, right?
RobertYeah.
Ari GrodeSure. Yeah, for sure. I would say Rocklands and Kalimnos are certainly probably the the areas we would know the most about, you know, just, or maybe Tonsai, uh,
Nettie & DaveLike... Yeah, yeah.
Nettie & Daveyeah until we'd been to turkey kalimnas was like my favorite i don't think anything could ever top it but turkey managed to but kalimnas is still very close second and it's it's weird because it's not it's the complete opposite vibe of turkey because it's not really a community you would go with your group of friends and you might not talk to anyone else so it's kind of it's a bit sad in that way and like you the um
RobertYeah.
RobertYeah.

(01:22:40):
Ari GrodeHmm.
Nettie & Daveapartments and stuff they never have any kitchens in them so everybody's kind of forced to go out to the restaurants it's extremely touristy but like just the climbing side of it is a bit that i love so much it's just the most insane climbing ever there's so much of it only place i can think of where you got like a ah five a like super easy climb next to like 9a And everything in between.

(01:23:07):
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveSo like whoever you're climbing with, you can climb with them like two routes away, even if they're like a complete beginner or someone who's like a pro, you know?
RobertWith an absolutely outrageous backdrop as well.
Nettie & DaveThat's crazy to me.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Ari GrodeYeah. yeah
Nettie & DaveYeah. One of my favourite photos of me ever is exactly that backdrop and I'm just like falling and it's like a silhouette.
RobertYeah.

(01:23:28):
Nettie & DaveSome guy just took it from the back of the cave. He was like, I took some pictures. Do you want them? He sent it to me. I was like, what is it? It's like the best picture ever seen in my favour.
Robertyeah
Nettie & DaveThis was years ago.
RobertJust really undersold it.
Nettie & DaveYeah. It's
RobertYeah. I just snapped a few. If you, if you want to look at them. Yeah.
Nettie & Daveand it's like my favorite picture ever and this was 2018 or something.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveI had no business being on that route either. but it was yeah Hence you're falling off of it. yeah yeah

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RobertThere you go.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertThat's perfect.
Nettie & DaveSo good.
Ari GrodeOh, amazing. You guys have gotten me psyched to to check out some areas already had on the list, but some certainly some areas that were I knew nothing about. so that's amazing.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertYeah, Turkey sounds pretty epic.
RobertI'm very curious about that one.
Nettie & DaveGo to Turkey. It is so good.
Robertyeah What was the name of that specific area again?
Nettie & DaveYeah, pretty great. It's right. It's Antalya City.

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RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveWe don't know how to pronounce it. I feel like everywhere else we can now, except for Lao maybe, but it's like, but the place in Turkey, it's like, it's spelt like Gayik Bayeri, but that's not how you say it.
RobertSure.
Robertyeah
Nettie & DaveAnd we've had people say it to us over and over.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveAnd I just call it Gayik because I can't pronounce it.
RobertFair, fair, fair. Yeah, well we'll have all of this in the show notes for sure.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
Ari GrodeYeah, I might have you sent us an email with the spellings because some of these I don't even know how to start.

(01:24:35):
RobertWe might we might have to research a bit, but yeah.
Robertbut Yeah. Nice.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveYeah, I'm super psyched this time when we go back to Asia as well, because we've been invited to some places that they want to publicize ah because of they've been bolting and they've been making them.
Robertah
Robertnice
Robertyeah

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Nettie & Daveah We're going to this one place in... ah ah quala near Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia and he just wants us to boat there and it's it seems super fun and then where's the other one in Thailand Thailand Khon Ken I think it's called that's like up and coming climbing they got bouldering they got sport they got I think they have everything there they're really psyched on that um yeah they invited us there at the end of the last trip yeah so that will have a lot more stuff there too.

(01:25:26):
Nettie & Daveand It used to be just a bouldering area, um but they have been bolting like crazy there apparently. And like no one knows about it yet. And they're saying it's better than anywhere else in Southeast Asia.
Nettie & DaveSo let's see.
RobertNice. You're going to get tested out.
Ari GrodeWow, okay.
Nettie & DaveI'm really excited to see it. And they really want us to publicize it as well. So it's super nice. to like We go to some places, especially like Kalimnos, And people get arsey that we're posting about it because they don't want it to get busy, even though Kalimnos is the busiest place in the world.

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RobertSure. Yeah.
Nettie & DaveNo one ever says it when you go to a quiet place. They're like, yeah, thanks for sharing it.
Robertyeah
Nettie & DaveBut when you go to somewhere which is already busy, like Kalimnos or Tonsai, they're like, you're going to make this place polished. I'm like, it's it's already polished. What are you talking about?
Robertyeah
Nettie & DaveIf our influence is that big, we should be getting paid to advertise these places.
Ari Grodeand

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Nettie & DaveWe wouldn't be doing it on this much of a budget.
RobertYeah. yeah
Nettie & DaveBut yeah.
Ari GrodeSo where can people ah go to you know follow along? Okay.
Nettie & DaveWe have Instagram. Instagram's like the main one, but we have just started to try YouTube.
RobertOkay.
Nettie & DaveSo hopefully that will pick up.
Ari Grodeyeah Okay.
Nettie & DaveWe've done like... We've done two proper videos. Proper sample videos, like trying to like work out the equipment and how to do it here. And then hopefully we just progress as we go.

(01:26:46):
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah, the plan is weekly vlogs once once we set off for Asia because Instagram's great, but we don't really get to share so much stuff because it just wants 30-second clips where with YouTube we can actually...
Ari GrodeOkay.
RobertOh, Yeah.
Robertyeah
Nettie & Daveintroduce the locals and things that you just people won't watch that on instagram because it just scrolls so fast but yeah on youtube i feel like we can show a lot more like the questions people have can be shown yeah it's gonna be really interesting

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RobertYeah. A bit more behind the scenes as well too. You know, like when you're throw throwing buckets down the toilet after, after hurling, you know, you can, yeah.
Nettie & Daveyeah a lot more behind the scenes oh yeah i'll be filming that for sure
RobertYeah. But I mean, the nice thing about that too, is you already have like all of the shorts, like you have all the Instagram reels that you can use for YouTube shorts already.
Ari GrodeOkay.
Nettie & Daveright
Nettie & DaveYeah, yeah, exactly.
RobertSo you can kind of bolster that up too, which is nice.
Nettie & DaveThat and TikTok is all that I can reuse most of that.

(01:27:33):
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveWe hadn't done YouTube yet.
RobertTikTok's a wild one, huh? Yeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah, yeah. I don't really even use it. I just feel like we should put it on the platforms to get it out there.
RobertYeah. Yeah.
Nettie & DaveBut YouTube's the one that we're the most excited about now because you can just show a lot more of what we're doing.
RobertNice.
Ari Grodeokay
Nettie & DaveBut also it's so hard.
RobertAnd will it, will it be the same? Is it the same handle I should say, or is there.
Nettie & DaveClimbing underscore backpackers. I think it's not got the underscore. It's just climbing backpackers.

(01:27:57):
RobertOkay.
Nettie & Daveum But yeah, it's it's the same.
Ari Grodeokay yeah
RobertWell, we'll, we'll double check and put it all in the show notes for sure.
Nettie & DaveNice.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveBut yeah, YouTube's hard work.
Robertum Amazing.
Nettie & Davewella we're We're working it, but yeah, it's taking so taken some time Getting used to.
RobertYeah. Yeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertYeah, I think it's just all about getting that rhythm and then and you guys have it going.
Nettie & DaveYeah. yeah It'll happen.
Ari Grodeyeah it's like to follow along
RobertYeah, yeah.

(01:28:19):
Nettie & DaveYeah. Cheers. Like and subscribe.
RobertYeah. Nice. Smash that like button. There we go. Awesome. Well, guys, this was ah incredible. I mean, we this is so much fun. like Like Ari said, I think we both have the itch here. I'm actually flying out to Italy soon, so I'll do some vacation climbing in the Dolomite soon. So I'm pretty pretty stoked on that. but

(01:28:40):
Nettie & DaveWe haven't been yet. We really want to go. Yeah.
RobertIt's cool. There's definitely some choss piles there, but there's some, there's some good stuff there for sure.
Nettie & DaveThat's
RobertFor sure. Uh, but yeah, it's, uh, I don't know. I'm frothing now this, this, some of those little destinations you guys called out. I'm, I'm pretty, pretty high on my list now. So this is, this gonna be fun.
Nettie & DaveYeah, definitely got to check some of them out.
RobertYeah.
Nettie & DaveYeah.
RobertYeah. Um,

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Ari GrodeAmazing.
Robertwe'll kill it here.
Nettie & DaveNice.
Ari GrodeAll right. I'm going to kill the recording here.
RobertNah, he's killing it.
Nettie & Daveit
RobertYeah. Yeah.

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