The Hurdle Rate Podcast

The Hurdle Rate Podcast

Join Matt, Ben, Jeff, and Tim for an entertaining and informative weekly podcast cutting through conventional wisdom on Bitcoin, investing, and macroeconomics. Every Wednesday, this forward-thinking team delivers unique perspectives and innovative insights that challenge mainstream financial narratives, empowering listeners to make more independent decisions for their corporate or personal financial lives. Is Bitcoin your hurdle rate? New episodes every Wednesday!

Episodes

July 1, 2025 51 mins

Episode 16 - Dividend Drip

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Episode 15 - Billions in Bitcoin Treasuries

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June 17, 2025 50 mins

Episode 14 - The World's Evolving

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June 10, 2025 55 mins

Episode 13 - Building for Decades

[00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[01:29] What’s Going On with American Politics?

[14:46] Bitcoin Treasury Companies as Tax Advantaged Perpetual Bitcoin Dividend Drips

[20:02] The Upside in STRD

[31:40] Is There Something Holding the Bond Market Back?

[46:39] Thinking Through the Leverage Ratio of Strategy

 

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June 3, 2025 47 mins

Episode 12 - Upgrade with Junk Grade

[00:00] - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[00:20] - STRD Announcement Reaction

[29:40] - Has Bitcoin Peaked for this Cycle?

[37:02] - James Wynn’s Wild Ride

[38:40] - What Should the Bitcoin Interest Rate Be?

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May 30, 2025 41 mins

Episode 11 - People Are Dancing

[00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[00:11] Recap of the Past Week

[03:48] GameStop’s Bitcoin Treasury Announcement

[16:24] True North Meetup in Vegas

[22:22] Strive’s Big Announcement

[39:07] Closing Thoughts

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May 20, 2025 57 mins

Episode 10 - Have Bitcoin, Get Money

[00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[00:40] Another Big Buy for MSTR

[17:11] Semler Scientific adds Natalie Brunell to their Board

[26:55] Jamie Dimon’s Bitcoin comments

[37:26] US Debt gets Downgraded

[53:20] Class action lawsuit vs Strategy

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May 13, 2025 50 mins

Episode 9 - A Movement Has Started

[00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[02:14] The latest in the Bitcoin Treasury space

[12:12] Being bold and having courage

[28:00] Why are retail investors understanding Strategy’s playbook better than  institutions?

[34:46] What will be the main themes for investors to learn about?

[49:00] Closing thoughts

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Episode 8 - Strategy World Recap: A Revolution Ignited

[00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[00:34] - Strategy World Recap

[07:10] - Strive’s Announcement

[19:44] - How Michael Saylor utilized AI to create fixed income products

[23:19] - Tim’s takeaways from the conference

[26:52] - Ben’s conference breakdown

[29:07] - Matt’s remarks on the conference

[30:55] - Is Jeff a double or triple Maxi?

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May 3, 2025 49 mins

Episode 7 - Fully Torqued Bitcoin

[00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[00:20] Strategy (MSTR) earnings call recap

[01:39] 42/42 Capital Raising Plan

[11:43] Permanent Leverage without Refinancing Risk

[12:19] Seniority & Volatility of Strategy’s BTC-Backed Securities

[17:38] Using BTC Risk for Credit Analysis

[23:29] Strategy Liabilities and Capital Structure

[33:53] BTC Torque

[40:39] Credit Comparison of Strategy products

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April 29, 2025 57 mins

Episode 6 - Win or Win More

[00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[01:15] MSTR Earnings

[29:19] 21 Capital’s Announcement

[41:10] Next week’s Bitcoin for Corporations Conference and MSTR True North World

[43:25] What’s taking so long with GameStop?

[49:47] Ray Dalio - Is it too late?

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Episode 5 - DXY vs. Store of Value Assets

[00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[01:26] DXY Breakdown

[22:51] Gold vs Bitcoin as the Hurdle Rate

[36:59] Interest rates and stagflation

[48:00] Strategy, Metaplanet, and Bitcoin dominance

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April 16, 2025 66 mins

Episode 4 - Bitcoin Portfolio Theory

[00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[01:30] Catching up on economic news from the last week

[24:15] Jeff’s Monte Carlo simulations

[43:13] Matt and Strive’s engagement with Intuit

[53:30] Strategy’s mNAV

[01:03:41] Closing thoughts

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April 9, 2025 55 mins

Episode 3 - Negotiating with Penguins

[00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[01:20] Tariffs are based on deficits, right?

[21:18] What position is the US workforce in to absorb these changes?

[31:10] Universal Basic Income

[39:40] Should we expect more volatility in the market?

[43:05] How does all of this impact Bitcoin?

[51:59] What is the path out of this?

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April 2, 2025 65 mins

Episode 2 - GME On!

[00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate

[00:54] GameStop and the current state of Bitcoin Treasury Adoption

[26:00] Metaplanet’s big move

[29:27] The Trump Family’s involvement in the Bitcoin Community

[38:56] Liberation Day and tariffs

[53:36] Is Bitcoin Risk-On or Risk-Off?

[59:04] Closing thoughts

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April 2, 2025 101 mins

Episode 1 - Bitcoin is the Hurdle Rate

[0:20] Welcome to The Hurdle Rate

[01:17] Meet Matt Cole

[03:12] Meet Ben Werkman

[04:48] Meet Jeff Walton

[06:29] What does Hurdle Rate mean in this current environment?

[25:44] Is Bitcoin the Hurdle Rate?

[01:07:03] Which AI tools are the guys using?

[01:24:30] Tariff talk 

[01:36:47] What will happen with inflation?

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