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Eighteen-foot skeletons shipped to the Smithsonian and lost forever. Thousands of newspaper reports documenting giant remains across America. Underground Malta tunnels where school children vanished after encountering 20-foot beings. Part 2 exposes the physical evidence institutions desperately want buried and why giants are still walking among us. EPISODES Mentioned: GIANTS! - Part 1:  https://youtu.be/G8mHBLycp0M  Giants at Mount Shasta:  https://youtu.be/1akyLCzRlN0  Giants in The Grand Canyon: https://youtu.be/DlERsUdtHJ4  Kandahar Giants: https://youtu.be/g1wo-2uMFME  MORE Kandahar evidence (Members-Only): https://youtu.be/_vkUHL8Av8U  Andrew Dawson Sees a Giant: https://youtu.be/n0OyZyqfB9I 

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Strange mysteries, unexplained phenomena.
And the shadows in between.
This is The InBetween Official Podcastwith your host,
Carol Ann!
This second half of our deepdive into the evidence
that giants walk the earth, asksthe question museums refuse to answer.

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Where did all the skeletons go?
The physical proof exists, but someonehas been hiding it for over a century.
And the terrifying truth is, the giants?
They're still out there.
This is the second half
of a two-parter on the subject of giants.

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If you haven't seen part one yet,be sure at some point
to go back and watch the first half.
When we have a nice little chatabout the Nephilim, the Anunnaki,
and the multiple different origin storiesfrom cultures all over the world.
Regardless of where they came from,we are going to look at the evidence
that giants have been here beforeand might still be here today.

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The world has always hadits share of merely really tall people.
In fact, in Prussia,during the reign of King Frederick William
the First, from 1713 to 1740,King Freddie,
bit of an eccentric,created a special regiment within his army
comprised solely of soldiersthat were six feet tall or taller,
which was particularly tallfor those times.

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I have no idea why he createdthis elite group of soldiers.
Maybe it was just to fulfillsome twisted fantasy.
Or was it to have this imposingline of giants that would surely have made
at least some of his adversaries thinktwice about taking on the Prussian army.
Or maybe a bit of both.
Whateverthe reason, it worked for a while.

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Too manynever actually thought in the fight
because when their giant regiment
hit the front line,they pretty much folded like a cheap suit.
Now is fun of a tidbit of history.
That is, they are not the kind of giantswe are looking for.
These aren't the droids we're looking for.
We are looking for proofthat actual giants roamed the earth.
Fun factAccording to the Historia Augusta,

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which is a collection of biographiesof the Roman emperors, Emperor
MaximinusThrax, who reigned for a whole three years
from 235 to 238 A.D., are
said to have stood eight feetsix inches tall.
Interesting.
But we are looking for the oneswith the legendary red hair, six fingers

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and toes, and two rows of teeththat stand at least eight feet tall.
Globally, 0.000038% of the populationis seven feet or taller,
which gives us about 3000out of a world population of 8 billion.
That's a pretty small club,but that still means that over time,

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a lot of the seven footskeletons recovered may not really
be anythingother than hitting a gene jackpot.
We are looking for the big mammer jammers.
So where do we start?
Well, why don't we startwith the megalithic structures
we can still look at and touch today.
Places like Stonehenge in England.
The Ġgantija temples in Malta.

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Sacsayhuamán in Peru.
Baalbek in Lebanon.
And Göbekli Tepi in Turkey.
Now just like the Egyptian pyramids,mainstream archeologists say
that these stones could have been movedwith relatively
primitive engineeringand a large workforce.
Maybe that accounts for some of them,but not all.
Take Baalbek in Lebanon.

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There stands the Temple of Jupiter Baal,the biggest temple
supposedly built by the Romans.
Although there's nowritten record of that happening.
What makes this site not really fitthe mainstream
mold iswhat is known as the Baalbek Stones.
Six gigantic pieces of quarried rockthat defy
the idea that men could just dragthese things into place.

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Three of them are known as the Trilithon.
A Trilithon is usually two vertical pieces
with a horizontal piece over the top,like at Stonehenge.
So I have no idea why these three stonesare called a Trilithon as well,
but it's three stones
that have been put into placein one section of the temple complex.
Each of the three stones is about 72ftlong,

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14ft high, and 12ft thick,
and estimated to be 750 to 800 tons.
But those are just the babies.
The other three clocks in at a thousand
tons or 2.2 million pounds.
Almost 1300 tons,or almost 2.8 million pounds

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in 1500 tons or 3.3 million pounds.
Now, to be fair, the quarrythese rocks came from isn't very far away.
So it's not like the ones that were movedlike 500 miles or anything,
and only the three smallest onesare actually in place.
The three bigger onesare still in the quarry area.

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But still! That's nuts!
It would take 5,000 to 10,000 peopleto move that much weight.
That's a logistical nightmare.
By comparison, the heaviest blocksin the Giza pyramids are only 80 tons max.
Only.
And we're still not 100%sure how that was done.

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I just don't see how blocks of this sizecould be maneuvered into place
without high tech machinery.
But that's what we're told
that these megalithic siteswere constructed by regular guys.
Just a whole lot of them. Fine.
Except let's look at the site of Ġgantijaon the Maltese island of Gozo.

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Would have taken a lot of peopleto build this place.
And there is evidence of some ancientagricultural activity on the island,
but it's very doubtful
that they could have grown enough cropsto feed the entire crew.
Local legends say that the site was builtby Sunsuna,
a giantess who single handedly builtthe massive megalithic temples

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in a single day and nightwhile nursing her infant child on her hip.
The name Ġgantija itselfderives from the Maltese word for giant.
Oh, and just for fun, let's talk about
another site on Maltacalled The Hypogeum of Hal Saflini,
which is a three storey undergroundsanctuary hewn out of solid rock.

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Not only are some of the walls
specifically positioned with polishedstone mirrors to reflect as much light
as possible into the subterranean space,but some of the chambers are carved
in such a waythat when a total of 110Hz is played, it
resonates through the entire undergroundcomplex,
creating a powerful vibrating echo

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that you can not only hear, but also feel.
Oh, and they found human remains
of people with elongated skulls.
I did not see that one coming.
And since we're talking about Malta,I gotta tell you,
it really is a fascinating place.
They have seven major megalithictemple sites and a few minor ones,

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which is the highest concentrationof these crazy huge structures
packed into just 122mi².
Not to mention that it's rumoredthat at one time, someone could cross
from one side of the island to the otherwithin their underground cave system,
but apparently you can't do that anymore.

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The Government of Malta kind oftook them over and use them to store,
disaster or wartime emergency supplies.
This take overand shut down to public eyes with
seemingly prompted by a horrific tragedy.
According to the August 1940edition of National Geographic,
a group of studentsand teachers entered the underground

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maze of tunnels, never to resurface.
It is said that people could hear wailingand crying for weeks afterward,
but after searching for three weeks,no one was ever found.
Tied into thistragedy is the story of one Lois Jessop.
She's a British womanwho visits the Hypogeum with some friends

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in the summer, sometime in the mid 1930s.
Their tour guide, a guy named Joe,gives them each a candle
and guides them through the windingpassageways, stopping in various rooms
with altars and hollow spacesscooped out of the rock walls, either
for rest or for burial, continually
moving downto the third underground layer.

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They get to another room deepin the ground when Joe says, that's it.
Tours done.
But Lois spiesa little opening in one of the walls.
What's down there?
Joe looks at her.
Go there at your own risk, he replied.
And you won't go far.
This is exactly the kind of adventureshe'd been hoping for.

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Two of the friends stay with Joe,but three of them
decide to join herin checking out the mysterious tunnel.
Lois has a dress on that daythat has a long sash around the waist.
The girls use it as a makeshift ropeto hold onto her
as she ducks into the tunnel,with the others in tow.
The foursome make their waythrough the tunnel,

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giggling at their own clumsinessas they slowly move forward,
bent over in the low tunnel,holding their candles in front of them.
Finally, the tunnel endsand opens up into a large cavern.
Lois holds her candle up and seesthat she's actually standing on a two foot
wide ledge with a rock wall on her

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left, and a 50ft drop on her right.
She takes a step and holds up her candle.
There across the cave from an openingdeep below me emerged
20 persons of giant staturein single file.
They walked along a narrowledge, their height
I judged to be about 20 or 25ft,

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since their heads came about halfway upthe opposite wall.
They walked very slowly,taking long strides.
Then they all stopped, turnedand raised their heads in my direction.
All simultaneously raised their armsand with their hands beckoned me.
The movement was something like scratchingor feeling for something

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as the palms of their hands were facedown.
Terror rooted me to the spot.
Her friends behind herstart asking her why’d you stop?
Keep going.
She takes another step forward
and puts her lefthand on the rock wall to keep her balance.
But the rock wall is not a rock wall.

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It feels slimy and it moves.
Before she canlook at what is moving under her hand.
A gust of wind blows out her candle.
She turns around, telling her friends,go back, go back.
There's nothing really to see here.
Once all of the girls are back in the roomwith Joe and the two other friends,
they all ask, Lois, what did you see?

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Lois tells them nothing.
The wind blew my candle out.
She looks at Joe, who looks back at herlike he knows exactly what she saw.
Like he had once seen it himself.
The look in his eyes says to Lois, Don't.
So, Lois, never tells anyoneabout what she saw.
Once they're all back up in the sunlight,Joe tells Lois,

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you should always tour with the group.
There's a teachertaking some of her students exploring.
Soon you could join them,but Lois never does.
And never tells anyone about the giantsshe saw that day.
A couple of weeks later, Lois’sfriend, calls her and says, hey,
I just read in the paperthat a school teacher
and a bunch of her students went exploringthat same tunnel that we did.

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They were all roped together,but when the last person in the line
turned the cornerwhere your candle blew out,
the rope was cut and a cave in preventedany rescue.
Several monthslater, Lois's sister is in town
and wants to go to the Hypogeumwhile she's there.
Not real excited at the idea,Lois goes anyway.

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They have a different tour guide thistime, who takes them on the same route
that Joe did down the various levelsand through the various rooms,
and they get to the endthe room that had the tunnel entrance.
Lois sees it's boarded up.
She asks the tour guide.
Isn't that where the school kids got lost?
Perhaps, is is only response.

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Lois asks, Where's Joe?
The other tour guide?I don't know any Joe.
He shook his head.
I alone have been showing peoplearound this catacomb for years.
Now, I'm fairly confidentthat anyone who has ever
looked into the possibilityof giants has heard this story.
It's pretty legendary.
It's often debunked
as just a story that Lois wrotefor the Journal of Borderland Research.

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However, I found something elsethat I've never heard before.
Many years after the event,Lois became the secretary for the New York
Saucer Information Bureau,which is just one of lots
of UFO groups that sprung upin the UFO craze of the 1950s.
After a lecture in New York called FlyingSaucers and America's Destiny,

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that briefly talked about the cavern worldin the interior of the Earth,
Lois approached the speaker, Riley Crabb,
to tell him of her experiencein the Hypogeum.
She described the huge cave giantshe saw to Mr.
Crabb, telling himtheir covering seemed to be like long
white hair combed downward and shaggylooking.

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Their heads were oval and elongatedat the chin and top, and the hair
on their heads fell about the shoulderslike a draped monk's cowl.
Mr. Crabb belonged to an organizationcalled the Borderland Sciences
Research Foundation,and was the editor of their magazine,
the Journal of Borderland Research,which published stories and research

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about topics like UFOs and cultismand unexplained phenomena.
The borderland being the spacebetween science and the supernatural.
Mr. Crabb admits that he found her story
a little hard to believe,but after he and Mrs.
Crabb spent a good chunk of the nexttwo days with Lois,
he said he found herto be very levelheaded.

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But it wasn't until he got home and hada chance to do some research on Malta
that he readthe National Geographic article
about the lost school childrenand the underground tunnels,
and another Nat Geo article that talkedabout one of the rooms of the Hypogeum
having a hollow sounding floor, meaningthat there are areas yet to be explored.

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I don't know if those two things aloneconvinced him,
or if he found other informationthat backed up Lois's story,
but something he foundmade him a believer, because in the end,
Lois was invited to share her nowlegendary story
in the Journal of Borderland Research.
Now, here'swhat I find interesting about all of this.

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Why would someone go up to a lecturershe doesn't know and start
telling him about a fictional storyshe wrote?
They wouldn't.
I think this extra information from Mr.
Crabb goes a long way to proving herstory is real.
Now, where the schoolchildren enteredthe catacombs is not clear.

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The Lois Jessop storysays they went in the same place she did
on the bottom floor of the Hypogeum.
But the National Geographic story makes itsound like it could have been elsewhere.
The tough partabout the story of the schoolchildren
is that the only two placesit's even mentioned anywhere
is the National Geographic articleand the story of Lois Jessop.

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Remember that both of these stories weresupposed to have taken place in the 1930s,
but Malta was bombed out by Italystarting in June of 1940.
Is it possible that any evidence
and a good chunk of the eyewitnessesdied in those air raids?
Probably.
Maybe that's whywe didn't hear any more about it.

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Here's just a tiny point of interest.
Children under the age of sixare not allowed in the Hypogeum.
Interesting.
Why not?
Is it because they are small enough tocrawl through openings that adults can't?
If the Hypogeum is not connectedto the labyrinth of other underground
tunnels,why seal off sections to the public?

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And the cave system is actually rumoredto not only transverse the entire island,
but to connect to the catacombsunder the Vatican.
However, that is a 400 mile stretchas the crow
flies, tunneling under the Tyrrhenian Seaa
at a depth of 12,000ft.

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I don't think so.
And if you stayed in the shallowsand just hugged the coastline of Italy,
that becomes 650 milesand it would still require tunneling down
to depths of over 1000ft under the water.
Again, I don't think so.
But just because the mainline tunnel tothe Vatican

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may not be real, that doesn't meanthe giants on Malta aren't.
Doctor Anton Mifsud,an author of several books
on the history of Malta, claimsthat his friend living on Gozo Island
has dug up a ten foot skeleton,but he hid it from authorities.
Can't say I blame him.
And speaking of digging upgiant skeletons, let's move from Malta

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to a place that seemingly has themeverywhere.
Sardinia.
Sardinia is known tosome as the land of the giants.
Sardinian talesdescribe giants as a prehistoric race
arriving around 12,000 years ago.
Tall beings over 12ft tall,who arrived either
from the sky or the sea and taughtlocal skills like building

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They're linked to nuraghes, stone towerssurrounded by fortresses.
There's over7000 of these things on the island,
and they are found nowhere else on Earth.
Legendsays these were the homes of the giants.
But some would say it's not just legend.
In his second podcast with MichaelKnowles, during their discussion

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of giants, author and researcherTimothy Alberino tells the following story
told to him by the eyewitness.
The witness’s team was excavatingthe remains of one of those towers.
The tower was sealed, but they managedto get it open and get inside.
Using flashlights, they crawl insidethrough a passage and into a room.

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In the room, seated at a massive table
on an oversize chair with a large plateand chalice in front of them
is a dead giant,estimated to be about 12ft tall.
The tower was practicallyhermetically sealed,
so the body is nearly perfect.

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What was he eating when he died?
Oysters.
I'm certainly not going to say thatthis is the place where they originated,
but it sure seems like the placewhere they all died.
A common feature throughout the islandis what's known as Tomba
deis Giganti, or Tomb of the Giants.
There are like 800 of these hugestone tombs all over the place

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that are said to have been built somewherebetween 2000 and 1000 BC.
Now, maybe these are tombs builtfor regular people,
but I'm not so sure about that.
Back in a timewhen survival itself was pretty dang hard,
why would the people spend their timeand energy making tombs
this hugeif it wasn't for someone important?

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And why make them so big if it wasn'tfor something of enormous stature?
According to Alberino,
it's not a very well-kept secretthat farmers have been discovering
giant remains in their fields for years,And it's said that archeologists
have uncovered countless giant skeletonsthat are whisked away
by the universities that are sponsoringthem, never to be seen again.

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But funny how the truth keeps leaking out.
I found one article from the WorldNews dated less than a year ago,
talking about archeologists in Sardiniafinding skeletons of unusually large size,
with femursmeasuring more than 1.5m in length.
That’s five feet.

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The average human male femurtops out at about 20in, not even two feet.
Here's my favorite part.
Later in the same article,they state, some theories suggests that
the large skeletons could belongto individuals of great stature,
but not necessarily giantslike those described in the legends.

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A five foot femur makes this guy
between 15 and 20ft tall.
How is that not a right and proper giant?
But Sardinia is by far
not the only place with evidenceof right and proper giants.
Let's jump over to Peru.
The Spanish under Francisco Pizarrohit the shores of Peru in 1532,

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and it pretty much conqueredthe entire country by 1535.
In their quest to convertthe entire population to Catholicism,
soldiers roamed the countrysideboth with Catholic missionaries
and with chroniclersto document the entire process.
One such scribe, Pedro Cieza de León,

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in his bookChronicles of Peru from 1553, documented
indigenous accounts of giant remainsfound along Peru's coast,
particularly near Santa Elena,which is in modern day Ecuador.
Locals described unearthing skeletonsup to 12ft tall, with large
skulls and robust bones, believed to be

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the remnants of a pre Inca race of giants.
These were tied to myths of a violent
tall people destroyed by divine forces.
Another chronicler, Agustín de Zárate,heard the same stories in his travels
around 1543, mentioning oversize bones
that locals revered as ancestral giants.

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However, these remains reportedly crumbled
or were lost after being sent to Spainfor study, leaving no physical evidence.
Now what the Spanish Catholic conversionteams would do
is go from indigenous villageto indigenous village and destroy
whatever statues or temples or altarsthe locals had to destroy

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whatever god or gods,whatever thing that they were worshiping.
But the Spanish were nothingif not meticulous in their record keeping.
They kind of had to be,because anything of value that's found
is confiscated, with 20% of itgoing back to the King of Spain.
Going back to that podcast with TimothyAlberino, (It is a great podcast.

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Definitely worth a listen.)he talks about records that
survive to this day of one of these teamsentering a village.
They don't readily seeany altars or obvious statues.
So they ask the elders,where are the gods that you worship?
The elders say in the cave.
So the priests and representativesof the Spanish crown go into the cave.

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The first thing that they see are bodies
lying on the ground,presumably sacrifices to the gods.
They keep going and they findwhat the villagers are worshiping.
There in front of them are threegigantic corpses sitting in chairs,
dressed in the traditional garbof the indigenous people.

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The record statesthat these bodies are six
times the size of a normal man.
What did they do with said giants?
They had the bodies removedfrom the cave and burned in the village.
If you're leaning toward that storybeing folklore,
just know that it comes rightout of the same documents that we use

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to give us the entire historyof the conquest of Peru.
And those same documents show thatthis story is not an isolated incident.
Not to mention that Peru is alsothe location of Sacsayhuamán,
an Incan fortressnear Cusco built around 1400 AD,
made with massive blocksestimated to be 100 to 200 tons each.

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The second biggest megalith blocks,after those in Baalbek.
They are precisely fitted like a perfectjigsaw puzzle.
Couldthis have been constructed by humans?
Maybe, but would have beena whole lot easier for giants.
Now let's take a wander to areasa little closer to home for most of us.

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The United States.
We may be kind of the new kidson the block as far as civilization goes,
but there are records of giants beingdiscovered everywhere here in the States.
There are only about a thousand newspaperreports from the 1800s and 1900s
about discoveries of giant skeletons,usually found inside burial mounds.

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The eastern side of the US has morethan its fair share of these mounds,
and a ton of those thousand reportscome from that part of the country.
Too many to go into.
But let's take a quick ganderat the top five.
At number five,we have the Serpent Mound area of Ohio.
Skeletons 7 to 9ft tall.

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And some sources say there were eventaller ones that mysteriously disappeared.
Number four is Lake Delavan, Wisconsin.
In 1912, The New York Times reported on 18skeletons,
several over nine feet, with elongatedskulls.
Number three is Maple Creek, Wisconsin.

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In 1897,The New York Times reported a nine foot
skeleton with double rows of teeth.
Number two is the Cahokia/Arkansasmounds around the 1800s.
Skeletonsup to ten feet tall with five foot
legs were reported in local papers,and the Scientific American magazine.

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But the winner, winner chickendinner is West Hickory, Pennsylvania.
In 1870, the Oil City Timesran a story of an 18ft skeleton
with unusual anatomic features,like double rows of teeth
that was reportedly unearthedduring oilfield work.
It was said to be armoredand handed over to the Smithsonian.

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That's more than a little sus.
In fact, all of the remains from these topfive sites have been lost.
Coincidence? Doubtful.
But we'll talk more about thatin a minute.
Now, a lot has been made about the idea
that the time periodwhen a lot of these articles were printed
was a time in American journalismwhen reporters tended
to exaggerate the details a bitto sell a few more papers.

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And I agree.
That certainly was a thingfor some newspapers.
But let's put this into perspective.
If we have, let's just round itto a thousand
printed stories,can they all be exaggerated?
Not one of them are true?
I can hear youskeptics out there saying, yes!
But I just can't believe that's the case.

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Even if 99% of themwere hyped up for clicks,
that means ten of them are still true.
As far as I'm concerned,it only takes one.
But for now, let's keep our giant trainmoving westward with the stop in Nevada.
One of the most well known giant storiesin the US is the story of Lovelock Cave,

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also known as Sunset Cave or SunsetGuano Cave in Nevada.
In 1912, ranchers ventured into what
looked like an abandonedcave to collect bat guano.
The guano in this cavehad been building up for centuries
and was now a poop goldmine, 10to 15ft deep.

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They start diggingand we're more than a little surprised
when their shovels startbringing up artifacts, including duck
decoys, baskets, tools, and sandals.
Then jackpot Mummified
remains of red haired giants standingsix and a half to seven feet tall.
Interesting side note
that many of these giants were preservedlike Egyptian mummies.

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Kind of sounds like the Egyptian mummiesfound in the Grand Canyon.
Now, while the ranchersmay have been shocked,
the local Paiute Indians were not.
In 1883, Paiute Princess, chief's
daughter, Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins, wrote

a book called Life Among the Paiutes: Their Wrongs and Claims, (29:20):
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where she talks about storiespassed down from the elders of her people.
Stories they believe are not legend,but a historical account.
The stories she tellstalk of a tribe of red haired giants
known as the Si-Te-Cahwho lived around the lake and in the cave.

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According to her,these giants were cannibals
who ate their deadand waged war on everybody else.
The Paiutes get little fed up, gathera ton of wood,
pile it all at the opening ofthe cave, and light her up.
The excavation of the
cave uncovered almost 60 giant skeletonsaround 7 to 10ft tall,

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which of courseare nowhere to be seen today.
But you can see those duck decoysand the sandals,
which measure 15in long
equivalent to a men's size 29
at the Humboldt Museumin Winnemucca, Nevada.
And Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins, the chief'sdaughter, who wrote the book?

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She actually claimed to have a dress made
with some of the red hair of the Si-Te-Cahgiants sewn into it.
But that was in 1883.
No one knows where that dress is today.
Or maybe no one's telling.
Now let's take a quick sidetrip up to Mount Shasta.
In 1904, British prospector J.C.

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Brown finds a tunnelinto the heart of the mountain and,
among other things, several mummiesranging from 6 to 10ft tall.
If you haven't seen our video on MountShasta yet, where we go into way
deeper detail, the link to that onewill be in the description.
Now let's swing back downto Southern California.

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Catalina Island to be exact.
Some of you may be familiarwith the excavations
of Ralph Glidden from 1919 to 1928.
Ralph was an amateur archeologistwho uncovered several large
skeletons ranging from 7 to 9ft tall.
But no one seems to knowwhat happened to those skeletons.

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He was being funded by the HaysFoundation, who had an association
with the Museum of the American Indian,who received at least some of his finds.
In 1924,the Hays Foundation pulled his funding.
So Ralph opened his own museumon the island, which stayed open
until his death in 1968, at which pointhis entire collection was transferred

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to the Catalina Island Museum,who says they received no giant skeletons.
In 2012, the museum uncovered
some dusty boxesthat belonged to Ralph's collection.
LA Marzulli was invitedto come and go through those boxes.
He spent ten hoursgoing through all kinds of papers,
but managed to find a few photographs.

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One in particular caught his attention.
It's Ralph standing at a dig site, lookingover a giant skeleton lying in the dirt.
According to LA, this picture is a real
photograph of Ralph at the dig site.
Finally, a picture of a giant I can trust.
Of course, there are those out therewho say, not so fast.

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They point to the distancebetween Ralph and the skeleton, claiming
it's a trick of perspective.
And I get what they're saying, but I don'tthink that fully covers what I see here.
In any case, the Catalina Island Museumdutifully added the photo to their Ralph
Glidden exhibit, except they cropped outthe giant skeleton.

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How cheesy is that?
And while we're on the subjecta less than honest museums,
let's get into this whole Smithsoniandebacle.
Now, as much as I hate to burstyour bubble, there is no smoking gun
that we can point you to say, see,they're hiding something.
All we haveis a bunch of circumstantial evidence.

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Does that evidence add up to the legalstandard of a preponderance
of the evidence in favorof the Smithsonian being a bunch of liars?
I don't know.
We may not have a preponderance yet,but we do have some.
First, let's talk facts.
Fact number one,we know they have lied in the past.

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There are several accounts of artifacts
that are documentedas having been sent to the Smithsonian,
which the Smithsonian claimsthey have no record.
Jim Vieira, writer and host of the HistoryChannel's Search for the Lost
Giant, talksabout finding photos of an 8.5ft skeleton
foundand shipped to the Smithsonian in 1933.

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But the Smithsonian says the tallestskeleton they have is six foot three.
To be fair, sometimes they do admitto having these things,
but then say no one can see thembecause they're housed
in a separate warehousethat has an asbestos problem
that is going to take ten yearsto remediate. Wow.

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I think you guys need to hirea better asbestos remover.
Then there's the case of Waldemar Julsrud.
He was a German living in Mexicoabout 175 miles northwest of Mexico City.
I don't have a ton of detailsas to how this whole thing came about,
but somehow Waldemar found a site that,when excavated,

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yielded some 33,500 objectsof archeological interest.
Everything from statues to knives
made of obsidian, potteryand human remains.
Samples of some items were sentto the University of Pennsylvania
and carbon dated to about 4500 BC.
Another university studiedsome samples blind, meaning that

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they had no idea what they were looking ator where they came from.
That university ruled out the possibilitythat they were modern creations.
They're real.
An archeologist was sent in, I’mnot exactly sure by who,
but presumably the Smithsonian,to look at the collection.
He spent all of four hourslooking at the then

(35:38):
32,000 piece collection
and declared the entire lot a hoax.
Archeological investigatorJohn Tierney, who had lectured
on the case for decades, chargesthat the Smithsonian conducted
a smear campaign against the discoveriesalmost from the very beginning.
And after filing a FOIA requestwith the Smithsonian, Tierney

(36:01):
announced that the Smithsonian casefile on the Acambaro
discovery is almost entirely empty.
Of course, the most famous caseof possible Smithsonian
hijinx is the case of G.E. Kincaid.
In 1909, when Kincaid discovered evidenceof a different civilization

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taking up residence in the Grand Canyon,the Smithsonian sent S.A.
Jordan to give him a hand.
After nothing more,
was heard about their extraordinaryfind and people started asking questions,
the Smithsonian denied that either Kincaidor Jordan had ever worked for them.
A denialthat they stand behind to this day.

(36:41):
We have another episodethat goes deeper into this whole story.
Link for that oneis also in the description.
I did see a video that claimedthat researcher David Hatcher Childress
started to dig into the details,and the Smithsonian records in 2013.
And that pressure from his findingsthat the Smithsonian
did actually employboth Kincaid and Jordan

(37:04):
forced the museum to finally caveand publish a retraction
of their longstanding denial on their own website.
Trouble is, I can't find evidenceof that retraction anywhere.
So I don't think thatthat really happened.
Okay. None of that looks good.
but add to thatsome history of the direction

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and ideology of the institution itself.
John Wesley Powell servedas the first director of the Smithsonian's
Bureau of American Ethnologyfrom 1879 to 1902.
He wasn't necessarily a bad guy.
He actually held a great affectionfor the Native Americans.
However, he also believed in isolationism,

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the idea that the Native American cultureadvanced and developed in a vacuum
with no outside influences,and that their culture was primitive
and needed to be wiped outby assimilation.
In any case, nice guy or not,
I can see where it would be easyto let one's own ideologies
be the jury on the value of discoveriesthat don't fit your worldview.

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But even better is a guynamed Aleš Hrdlička.
He was the first curator of physicalanthropology of the Smithsonian in 1904,
and held that position until 1941.
This guy was a piece of work.
He was a eugenicist who believed thatthere were only three races

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in the entire worldwhite, black and yellow and brown,
basically everybody else.
When this guy excavated mummies, he wouldship the bones home without the skin.
Total disregard for the mummy as a whole.
He only cared about the bones becausethat was his personal focus and expertise.

(38:53):
This guy had no conceptof the big picture,
And he wholeheartedly was of the opinion
that people had not been in North Americafor more than 3000 years.
Okay, I get it.
We have informationbefore that he did not have back then
when forming his opinions.
But here's the part that scares me

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and this is quotedstraight from Wikipedia.
Hrdlickaand others made it virtually taboo
for any anthropologistdesirous of a successful career
to advocate a deep antiquityfor inhabitants of the Americas.
In other words, agree with me,or I will bury you.

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Now I get it.
Both of these guys were productsof their times, and maybe not in any way
indicative of the finepeople seeking truth over ideology
that have been running the placeever since then.
However, these two guys were at the helm
at the same time frame that a lot of thesegiant remains were recovered.

(39:59):
Imagine what damage may have been donethat can never be undone.
Maybe the Smithsonian is telling the truthabout not having any of these artifacts
in their possession,because of the careless decisions
of certain individuals 100 years ago.
Maybe someday the Smithsonianwill open its warehouses

(40:20):
for allto see their 157 million artifacts. But
I'm not holding my breath.
Okay, but that was a serious sidetrack.
So let's get back in lineby talking about where
all of this history puts us today.
Are these giants who,according to the Bible,

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live very long livesstill walking among us today?
Well,there are quite a few people who say yes.
Probably the most famous of modern dayencounter stories is the Kandahar Giant.
We have a full episode on this story link
in the description,so I won't go too deep into the weeds.
But it's the story of an American Armyplatoon in 2002 that encounters

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a giant living in a cave in the mountainsof Afghanistan and gets wiped out.
When another platoon is sentto look for the first one,
they encounter the giant as well,but manage to kill it.
The giant's body is recoveredand secretly sent to the US.
The only reason we know about itis because the guy who flew the body,

(41:27):
at least part of the way,became a whistleblower.
Then more personnel came forwardafter that, including an Afghani soldier.
We have an exclusive member's only video
of him telling his story as well.
And we have more storiesfrom the Solomon Islands.
Back in 1942, the Japanese occupiedthe island of Guadalcanal.

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When U.S.
Marines landed on the islandto retake it from the Japanese,
they were surprisedat the relatively small number of Japanese
soldiers inhabiting the island,considering its military value.
They forced the Japanesefrom the beaches deeper into the jungle,
a place the Japanese did not want to go.
Stories started to emerge of giantsthat lived in the jungle,

(42:13):
who were picking off the Japaneseone by one and eating them alive.
Giantsthat stood anywhere from 8 to 15ft tall.
I know that isn't exactly current news,but if you ask anyone on the islands
about Mango, they'll tell you a storythat's hard to forget.
MangoBosamete was a resident of Guadalcanal.

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Sometime around 1960, she disappears.
Friends and family look for her for weeksuntil they finally give her up for dead.
25 years later,
she's found close to her villagescrounging for food and pregnant.
The villagers managed to capture her.
And it takes a while,but after a little time goes by,

(42:58):
Mango is able to come back to her sensesenough to tell her story.
She'd been captured by the giantsand taken as a wife.
Field archeologistNicholas Cox went out to the islands
and started asking aroundabout the giants to the locals.
The localsjust tell him, yeah, they're real.

(43:19):
Then they go on to tell of a recent storyfrom the 1990s.
A crew was trying to clear some landfor a future gold mine
when their bulldozer blade, weighingover 1,000 pounds, breaks right off.
They couldn't do anything with it untilthey got a new part for it the next day.
So they just leave it in the clearing.
Who's going to take it?

(43:40):
The next morning they returned to the siteto find the blade missing.
Replaced with footprintsmeasuring between 3 and 4ft long.
They follow the prints and find the bladein the trees about 400ft away.
Moving on to other parts of the world,on September 27th, 1989,
in the Russian city of Voronezh,about 200 miles south of Moscow,

(44:03):
strange lights appear in the sky,witnessed by a whole bunch of people.
These witnesses see a spacecraftland in a public park,
and three giant alien figures emerge.
Denis Morenko, who was a kid at the timebut was in the park
that day, sees a huge manwho resembles a human,

(44:25):
but significantly larger,get off the spacecraft.
Moments later, the giant just disappears.
January 3rd, 1996.
In the town of Yatzitz, about 25 mileswest of Jerusalem, Chief of Security,
Herzel Constantini, is at homewhen he hears a strange noise outside.

(44:46):
He opens his doorand is frozen in fear at the 11ft tall,
five foot wide giantstanding in his front yard.
Herzel estimates the weight of this thingat about two tons.
Not knowing what else to do,he calls the police.
Two officers respondbut are laughing at him,
assuming this guy's got to be drunk.

(45:09):
However, they change their tunewhen they see the tracks in Herzel's yard.
Then there's episode number 746of the confessionals podcast,
where the host, Tony Merkel,is joined by Pastor Troy Brewer,
who talks about his experienceseeing a giant while down in Mexico.
“I told my son, I said, Ben, turn aroundand tell me what you see up there.

(45:31):
He just pulls out of chair,sits down and goes, a freaking giant.
I said, yeah, I said, hey, Jerry.He said what?
I said, don't panic, Tell me what you seeat the top of that ridge.
He goes, it's a giant.
“ Now, of course, as technologygets better and better
and cheap enough that just about everyonecan afford a cell phone,
videos of so-calledgiants are getting more and more common.

(45:54):
Those of you who watch this channelfor a while might remember our video on
Andrew Dawson,who was either lucky enough or unlucky
enough to capture this video.
Link in the descriptionfor this one as well,
if you want the full story of crazinessthat goes along with this footage.

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And there are plenty morewhere that one came from.
So what are these things?
Are theythe Nephilim as told in the Bible?
Are they the unfortunate byproductof alien human hybrid experimentation?
Or are they something more earthly?
I, for one,have a hard time dismissing what to me

(46:36):
is an obvious linkbetween the idea of ten foot giants,
seemingly all around the world,and the other ten foot creatures
that are also seeminglyall around the world.
Our fuzzy friend Bigfoot.
Is it possible that these creaturesare either one
in the same, or at least closely related?

(46:58):
Maybe Bigfoot tracks with sixtoes have been found, like this one
from glenreberger4 on TikTok from Kilcoy,
Queensland, Australia, in 2023.
Lots of witnesses to Bigfoot sightingsdescribe the creature is having reddish
hair and both are at least partially

(47:18):
known as hanging out around caves.
Maybe there's a link therethat needs a deeper dive in the future.
But that is going to have to waitfor another day.
It was everything I could do to get
all the stuff in this one that I did.
I didn't even get a chance to touch onso many other things.

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Like all of the accounts of the 17thcentury explorers who encountered giants,
giantsrelated to the stories of Hollow Earth,
and evidence of footprintsleft in rock formations.
There is enough informationout there to easily create
a ten hour docu series.
Maybe someday we'll tacklea few of those things that we didn't

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get to touch on, butthat will have to wait for another day.
But I will leave youwith an interesting thought.
Jenny Randall is the former directorof the British UFO Research Association,
who keeps tabs on all reports they get,
which are often not about UFOs at all,
but just about weird thingsthat someone witnesses.

(48:26):
And that person wants to gettheir experience on record.
Jenny analyzed15,000 reports of encounters
with various beings, giantsbeing thrown in that mix.
The result?
Encounters with giants have increasedevery single year since 1965.
So way more reports coming inthan there were 40 or 50 years ago.

(48:49):
Now, maybe some of that increasecomes from people
not feeling the stigma associatedwith reporting something
that sounds crazylike they did in generations gone by.
So are we just reporting these encountersmore often than we used to?
Or are more giants coming?

(49:11):
Holy Toledo.
Why is Toledo holy?
That was a crazy amount of information
packed into a relatively shortamount of time.
I am truly sorry that I couldn'tget to absolutely everything.
It's just too huge of a subject.
See what I did there?

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But let us know in the commentsif there is an area that I didn't
touch on here that you would liketo see us tackle in a future episode.
If you thought giants were incredible,this one will absolutely blow your mind.
Click right here.
Because seriously, you cannot miss this.
Be careful out there.

(49:52):
And I will see you hereagain, on The InBetween.
Thanks for tuning into The InBetween Podcast.
Enjoy the full visual experiencewith me over on YouTube.
Just search for @TheInBetweenTales.
I'm Carol Ann.
And until next time, be careful out there!

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