October 6, 2025 • 33 mins
The Battle of Los Angeles remains one of WWII's most baffling unsolved mysteries. Over 1,400 anti-aircraft shells were fired at something in the sky—nothing fell. Witnesses saw an 800-foot object that military firepower couldn't destroy.
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Over a thousand shells firedat a seemingly indestructible target.
Hundreds of witnessessee something in the sky
they describe as “not of this world.”Was the U.S.
militarytrying to cover up for its own failings?
Were they trying to cover up the factthat something else
was in the sky,from which we had no protection?
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I'm Carol Ann.
Welcome to The InBetween.
Yesterday, December 7th,1941
a date which will live
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in infamy.
The United States of America
was suddenly and deliberately attacked
by naval and air forces
of the Empire of Japan.
Definitely a dark timefor the United States.
Ready or not. Here we go.
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So America is in Knives Out mode.
But two months after entering the war,the Western Defense Command,
a division of the U.S.
Army, had only 10% of the anti-aircraftguns needed to defend the Los
Angeles area.
They had 12 anti-aircraft guns, 12for the entire area.
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I'm sure they're working on it.
I mean, it had been 130 years sincea foreign war had come to our doorstep.
I think we're a little rustyat protecting the home front.
Which is why an attack on the Ellwood OilField near Santa Barbara on February
23rd, 1942, so not even three monthsafter the attack on Pearl Harbor,
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hit a little too close to home.
Figuratively and literally.
A Japanese submarinelobbed about 25 shells
at the facilityfrom a little less than a mile offshore.
It caused minimal damage physically,mostly to a pump house
and a derrick,but psychologically was a different story.
I mean, Hawaii was our territory.
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And the attack there was devastating.
But Hawaii still really far away.
The Ellwood oil field attack meant warwas real, and it was on our home shores.
So you can imagine the state of hyperawareness the people in the Los
Angeles area are probably inwhen just a day later,
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the evening of February 24th, airraid sirens reverberate through the air.
At 7:18 p.m., flares and blinkinglights are reported
near defense plants, but nothing happens.
So the all clear is given.
And then at 2 a.m.,so the morning of the 25th,
US Army radar detects unidentified objectsabout 120 miles west of Los Angeles,
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approaching the coast at varyingspeeds and altitudes.
At 2:25 a.m.,the air raid sirens blare again
with a mandatory blackout.
Anti-Aircraft guns went into actionagainst unidentified aircraft
in the Los Angeles area Los Angeles?
shortly after 3 a.m.
Pacific War time this morning.
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The anti-aircraft guns began barking
during a blackout Thousands of airraid wardens jump into service.
These are the guyswho go around the neighborhood
making sure that no one even lightsa cigarette on the streets.
No lights anywhere, for any reason.
At 3:16 a.m., as powerful searchlightsscan the skies,
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the 37th Coast Artillery Brigadesees something and opens fire
from Santa Monica with 50 cal machineguns and 12.8
pound anti-aircraft shells.
And for the next hour,three separate regiments,
with some help from a few others,fire 1447 shells.
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Reports are coming in from all overfrom people who see anywhere from 1
to 15 planes in the sky,flying at anywhere from 9,000 to 18,000ft.
Some report seeing a large floating objectlike a balloon,
but no planes are hit,no bombs are dropped.
In fact, the only damage reportedis from falling shrapnel and duds.
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Interestingly enough, as all of thischaos is going on, not one U.S.
plane left the ground.
Things eventually calmed down,and at 7:21 a.m., the all clear is given.
When the dust settles,everyone is asking what happened?
Who attacked us?
Unfortunately, it turns out nobody knows.
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Of course, the
first and most obviousculprit is the Japanese.
We are at war with them.
And they just attacked an oil fieldthe night before.
And unlike the US,they have subs that are capable
of carrying small sea planesand launching them with a catapult
to either conduct recon or conductair raids on the coastlines.
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But with no bombs being dropped,the idea became, well, maybe
they're flying commercial planes overheadjust to demoralize the American public.
Kind of a “see how easilywe invade your airspace” kind of thing.
But they were actually ruled outpretty fast.
Why would the Japanese fly over LAif they're not going to bomb it?
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The place is blacked out,so a recon run is kind of a moot point.
And the radar signature didn't match.
Whatever was showing up onradar was moving pretty slow.
Slower than an airplane.
After the war ended, the Japanese came outand said, oh, by the way,
we didn't bomb Los Angeles,so probably not the Japanese.
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Except I could see a scenariowhere the Japanese
are thinking,we're in enough trouble already.
Let's not pile on ourselvesby letting them know we did that, too.
But I don't know.
But let's take their word for iton this one.
But not even the US governmentis blaming the Japanese.
The official story is that everybodywas just so freaked out
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from the bombing of the oil fieldsjust the night before that, adrenaline
meters were running just a little highwhen the sirens went off yet again.
And understandably so.
2,403 people had just been killed
at Pearl Harborless than three months earlier.
The sting of another country bringingthat kind of devastation to our house
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put a lot of peoplein that “never again” mindset.
So once the sirens start wailing,the whole area is plunged into darkness
and the searchlights light up the skyto start scanning for the enemy.
The people's eyes are fixed on the sky,looking for
anything that shouldn't be there.
And they did a great job.
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The number of reports of things in the skythat night is crazy.
We'll dig into more specifics in a minute,but suffice to say, the people
and the military were on itlike white on rice.
So the instant that someone saw something,the shells
and the bullets started flying.
But at what exactly?
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Well, therein lies the rub.
Later that same day, Frank Knox,Secretary of the Navy,
came out with a statementthat said false alarm, Our bad.
Itchy trigger fingers.
He says once the first shot rang out,the rest was just us
shooting at puffs of smokefrom all the exploded shells before it.
However, Henry Stimson,the Secretary of War, made a statement
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the same day saying au contraire,mon frere.
There were 15 unidentified aircraftin the skies.
That's what we were shooting at.
Keep in mindthat in 1942, the Department of War
and the Department of the Navywere separate departments.
So to have the head of eachof those departments telling
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different stories was kind of a problem.
However, the very next day,September 26th,
Secretary Stimson walked backthat explanation and said,
forget what I said about the 15 targetsof some kind in the air.
It was say it with me.
A weather balloon.
Just a little aside moment here.
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If anybody watches true crime content,you may have heard of a channel
called That Chapter.
And in the world of true crime, the murdermotive includes the insurance money
so often, that the host, Mike,has a special insurance money dance.
I feel like we should have a specialdance for weather balloons.
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Amazingly enough, there
actually is evidence of a weather balloonbeing involved in this whole fiasco.
A balloon was launched about 1 a.m.
somewhere in the LA area.
In fact,either the Army or the weather service
did this all the time to check for currentwind speeds for air defense operations.
And apparently this particular balloonhad a red tracking flare on it as well,
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which is what is saidto have triggered the panic on the ground.
But did it?
Here is just a small list of the reports
that came in between 3 and 4 a.m..
One guy, Colonel Watson, reportedseeing a weather balloon at 3 a.m..
Okay, we know there was one in the area.
Colonel HenryC Davis says he saw 10 to 15 planes
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over Inglewood, but then decidedit was just smoke from a refinery.
Lieutenant Buchanan saw 20 to 30 planes
at 20,000ft, 150mph,
from a hotel roof at 8th and Flower.
He even heard the sound of the engines,but couldn't see anything beyond that.
Three guards that were with Buchanansaw something lit up by the searchlights
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and heard the engines,but couldn't give any more details.
Several soldiers from the 203rd
California Regimentreported 7 to 8 planes at high
altitude, in searchlightsthat looked like birds.
Several civilianscalled in to report swarms of planes.
Anywhere from 9to 50 at altitudes of 10,000 to 20,000ft.
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People around Long Beach reportedseeing three planes
over the ocean, with onemaybe even being shot down
and another resident reported a planecrashing.
The governor's office received lettersfrom people claiming to have seen
dozens of Japanese bombersand fast moving planes.
Some of which dropped bombs.
Now, I'm sure there's a certain amountof these sightings
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that can be chalked up to eithershadows of the smoke from the exploded
shells and/or from the weather balloons.
But not all of them.
Which brings us to the elephantin the room.
This photo.
Most of us who enjoy exploring the weirdand unique corners of this world
are probably at least a little familiarwith the photograph published in the L.A.
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Times of the big white blob in the air,lit up by huge spotlights.
The version published in the paperis not the original.
The original was touched up,which was pretty common back then
because some photos needed a little helpto make them clearer when printed.
In the original version,the blob in the middle
and the beams fromthe spotlights are a lot less defined.
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We don't see that UFO shape in the middle,
which is the hallmark of the retouchedversion.
However, in my opinion, those searchlightsare still lighting up something.
Otherwise we wouldn'thave that white blob in the middle.
The light beams would just keep going.
But they don't.
Question is, what is it?
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Well, Is it a Japanese plane?
I doubt it.
The Japanese said we didn't do that.
And considering that they pretty muchfessed up to everything else,
why would they lie about this one thing?
Could it be an American plane? Nope.
All American planes in the areawere at the ready that night,
but the Army, which controlledthe airplanes back then, chose
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to keep our forces on the ground
until we could get a graspon what we were dealing with here.
Could it be a weather balloon? Maybe.
But weather balloons were, at best
about 30ft in diameter, and pear shaped.
It's not what is shown in this picture.
Not to mention the fact that both a planeand a weather balloon
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would have been brought downby the absolute hell
fire of anti-aircraft shellsand 50 cal bullets.
To put that into perspective,that's an average
of one shot firedalmost every two seconds.
That's a lot of shells.
Yet nothing was everofficially reported as being shot down.
I heard a rumor that there was a policereport of a downed plane, but I couldn't
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find that report, so I have to staywith the official version at the moment.
Now, if you're like me,that's about where the story ends with
just that tantalizing clue from the paperand the question, what else could it be?
What else could withstanda total bombardment?
Has to be UFO, right?
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Which is where we are usually toldthat the picture has been retouched.
And what we're seeingis a weather balloon.
End of story.
And as much as I hate to admit it,I was inclined to believe it,
but that my brothers and sistersis not the end of the story.
Or shall I say, I've discoveredsome chapters that are missing
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from the mainstream version of the story.
First,let's talk about that radar confirmation
of somethingheading toward LA from the ocean.
At exactly 1:44 a.m., radar
picked up a large, fast moving,unidentifiable aerial target.
By 2 a.m., the target was peggedas being 120 miles west of L.A.
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and headed in that direction.
At 2:15.
Anti-Aircraft batteries are alertedand put on green alert,
which means ready to fire a few minuteslater
and the blackout is ordered at 2:21.
But whatever they're tracking vanishes.
The vast majority of what we know aboutthe myriad of UFO reports from that night
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come from the exhaustive researchof two people, an online website created
by someone known only as The Wanderling,and a man named C Scott Littleton,
both of whom witnessedthe UFO firsthand when children.
An event that would be the catalyst forexhaustive research in their adult years.
Scott Littleton is actually considered bymany historians to be the guy to talk to.
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When it comes to the Battle of LA.
Over the decades, he has collected
hundreds of eyewitness accounts.
Between the two of them.
They have pieced together the route takenby something they all remember
as being big, like 800ft across,
big, slow moving and completely silent.
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The Wanderling even made a map of the UFOs
route based on eyewitness accounts.
The object is picked up on radar at 1:44a.m., 120 miles out,
but coming in fast on a trajectory easttoward the city of Los Angeles.
At 50 miles out, it then slows way down
and hits the shoresomewhere near Point Dume.
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This is the point that it disappearsfrom radar, because it drops down
behind the Santa Monica mountains,where the coastal radar can't see it.
It continues east, then turnssouth in the gap in the mountains
around SepulvedaBoulevard and Mulholland Drive.
This is interestingbecause at this point, it's coming in
behind all of the anti-aircraft batteries,which are all pointed out
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toward the ocean,where an enemy should be coming from.
It gains altitudeas it heads back out over the ocean,
hugs the coast,and comes back in over land again.
Of all the accounts I'm sharingtoday, Scott Littleton's encounter
seems to be the first one on the map, asthe object is rolling down the shoreline.
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Now remember, it may have been 3 a.m.,but once those sirens start going off,
anyone who could was out on the streettrying to figure out what was going on.
Scott is eight years old at the timeand lives literally on Hermosa Beach.
So he has an Omnimax viewof the entire coastline.
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Scott's dad is an air raid warden,so as soon as the sirens let loose,
he is out of bed in a flashto get to work.
So while Scott's dad heads out for his airraid warden duties,
Scott and his mom are outsidescanning the skies for what they think
are going to be Japanese planesflying overhead any second.
Instead, they spot a glowing object,
which Scott describes as a small, glowing,slightly lozenge shaped blob
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that's already being followedby the searchlights
and pounded by anti-aircraftfire as it slowly
meanders across the oceanfrom northwest to southeast.
It comes back inland over Redondo Beach,a couple of miles
to the south of Scott's house,and eventually disappears over the hills.
They are able to watch this thing floatingin the sky for like a half an hour.
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It then passes
over a woman by the name of Fifie Malouf,
owner of the Happy Hour Caferight on Redondo Beach.
She says she woke up to sirensand gunfire outside.
She jumps out of bed and runs outside,only to see a huge giant object
as big as, in her words, a locomotivesilently gliding a few hundred feet
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above the beach and over her cafeand the apartment on top.
It came in off the ocean, made no sound,
and took forever to pass overbecause it was so big.
Next comesthe testimony of the Wanderling.
He's a couple of years
younger than Scott Littleton,but what he sees burns into his memory.
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He looks up to see a huge, gigantic thinglooming low over the hills,
not very high above the groundas it passes slowly overhead.
Only the underside is visible.
And just like Fifie said,it takes a really long time.
It's wide and flat, slightly curved towardthe center and concave on the bottom.
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But once it does pass over,he can see it's kind of a wedge shape,
slightly more narrow in the frontand widening toward the back,
almost like an upside downspade type shovel.
And he specifically notesthat there are no markings,
hieroglyphics, insignia, numbers,openings, windows,
portholes, hatches, seams, lights,propellers, outboard motors,
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wheels, wings, fins or stabilizers.
It's totally silent,but leaves a faint smell in the air
of an overused electric train transformer.
And the part that I think is the mostinteresting of this entire description
is that he says, “It was like a lost babyelephant just searching for its mommy.
And everywhereit went, it got chased away or shot
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at.” What an interesting take.
A lot of the witnesses likenedwhat they saw to a Zeppelin.
Not so much for the shape as for theoverall length and enormity of this thing.
But the Wanderling saysthat unlike a Zeppelin,
that is basically a big balloonand pretty much moves like a balloon,
this object had a weightiness to it,
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more like a floating battleship.
After it passes over his house, his dad
and a couple of other neighbor guysjump in a car and try to follow it.
But the object speeds up enoughthat the men can't keep up.
But his father told them that he saw 3or 4 narrow
orange reddishglowing openings in the rear.
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Kind of like shark gills.
As the object continues on its path,it passes over one witness,
a mother who wakes up towhat she thinks are gunshots.
She wakes up her son to get themselvesout of the house.
Mom goes outside first to see what's goingon, and looks up to see an object
in the sky,alternating from light to dark as
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searchlights try to hone in on it.
From there,it was seen by a witness named Mr.
Edwards.
Mr. Edwardsalso woken up by the sound of gunfire.
Then his house begins to shake.
To the extentthat things are falling off the shelves,
like a freight trainis flying by the front of his house.
He runs outsidejust in time to catch a glimpse of what
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looks like the dark blacksilhouette of a flying ship,
cresting over and going down the hill,heading south.
He runs back inside, throws on some shoesand a jacket over his PJs,
runs down the street in the directionit was traveling,
thinking thatwhatever it is has to have crashed.
And he gets to the top of the hill.
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There is no crashand the flying object is gone.
At this point, the object takes aturn to the east, and in 1942,
the area east of the Redondo Beach areais really nothing but fields and oil rigs.
Now keep in mindthat at this point in history,
the Japanese, who make up only about 1%of the population of the LA area,
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are starting to take some real heatfrom the rest of America.
Those Japanese who have farmlandare starting to deal with vandals
coming into their fields at nightand destroying their crops.
So this fateful night, a young JapaneseAmerican named Albert Nozaki
is out in the fields with his friendsto keep watch against vandals.
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By 1 a.m., his friend,
who had watched the fields
in the night before and then workedall day, was zonked, leaving
poor Albert with his thermos of coffeeto stand guard alone.
Around 3 a.m.,all that coffee catches up with Albert,
who gets up to shake himself awakeand empty his bladder.
He walks off in the directionof the beach towns,
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And as he's standing there, he's thinking,wow, it's really dark tonight.
Then it dawns on him.
From where he's standing,
he should be able to see a glow in the skyfrom the beach towns.
It's not there.
In fact, there isn't any light anywhere
except for faint lightcoming from the cities north of him.
He has no idea that a blackouthas been ordered.
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But he can't shake the feelingthat something is wrong.
He can't really see all that farfrom where he is.
So Albert walks a little waysinto the field to get a better view.
That's when he sees, barely silhouettedagainst the night sky, a huge dark
object in the air heading right for himat a pretty good clip.
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Right before this thing is rightover his head,
it turns and heads southso that he is just under the edge of it.
Albert describesthe craft as dark and very long.
No lights, no windows, no wings,
but outside edges that curve down.
It’s also completely silent, thoughAlbert can feel a slight vibration,
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almost like a hum in his chestas it flies over him.
To him, the object look too heavyto be able to stay airborne,
but he also didn't seeany signs of engines pushing it forward.
And here's an interesting note.
Albert says that he felt likeit was being kept afloat
by some kind of downward force,
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although he didn't physicallyfeel anything pushing against him.
And didn't see any kind of invisible forceaffecting the field around him.
His buddy wakes up, finally finds Albertstill standing out in the field.
Albert tells his friend what he saw,but the object is
long gone,following its trajectory to the south.
Albert went on to have a career as an artdirector in Hollywood,
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even earning an Oscar nomination in 1957
for his artdirection on The Ten Commandments.
But more interesting in this case
is his workon the movie War of the Worlds.
Albert designed the alien ships.
In a movie worldthat had thus far portrayed UFOs as flying
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silver frisbees,Albert says the inspiration
for his groundbreakingdesign of the enemy ship came directly
from his memory of the shiphe saw going over the fields that night.
It's not a direct representation,but the ominous feeling he got from
the concave structure of its underside,forever remained in his memory.
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So after all the hundreds of eyewitnesstestimonies that have been collected,
as if fthat's not enough,do we have any other proof?
Maybe.
There are two documents floating aroundthat are rather interesting.
The first is a letter from PresidentRoosevelt to Secretary
George C Marshall, the Chief of Staffof the United States Army,
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classification Secret,dated February 27th, 1942.
So, two days after the Battle of LA.
Dear General,
I am fully aware of the situationconcerning the unidentified aircraft
in the vicinity of Los Angeles and therecovery efforts by Rear Admiral Anderson.
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The information you have providedis most disturbing.
I am particularly concernedwith the potential implications
for national securityand the possible origins of these devices.
In light of recent events,including the air raid over Los Angeles,
it is imperative that we accelerateour research into these phenomena.
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The atomic secrets learnedfrom the study of celestial devices
recovered in the past must be applied
immediately to our defense programs.
I hereby authorize Doctor Vannevar Bush
to proceed with the projectwithout further delay.
Please ensurethat all necessary resources are allocated
and that this matter remainsunder the strictest secrecy.
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Sincerely, Franklin D Roosevelt.
The second is a letter from SecretaryMarshall to FDR
classificationtop secret, dated March 5th, 1942.
So just a few days after the first one.
Mr. President,Regarding the air raid over Los Angeles,
it was learned by Army G-2that Rear Admiral Anderson
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recovered an unidentified airplaneoff the coast of California
with no bearing onconventional explanation.
This headquarters
has come to the determinationthat the mystery airplanes are, in fact
not earthly, and accordingto secret intelligence sources,
they are in all probabilityof interplanetary origin.
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As a consequence,I have issued orders to Army G-2
that a special intelligence unitbe created
whose mission it isto further investigate the phenomenon
and report any significant connectionbetween recent incidents
and those collected by the director,the office of Coordinator of Information.
The unit will be knownas the Interplanetary Phenomena
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Unit, (IPU), and will include scientists
and military personnelwith expertise in various fields.
Respectfully,George C Marshall, Chief of Staff.
Smoking gun. Right?
Not so fast.
The Interplanetary Phenomena Unit, or IPU,
was a real thing,but it wasn't formalized until later.
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Of course, we can't find outany more about it, because apparently
all records of itwere destroyed in the 50s.
Convenient.
And both lettershave yet to be authenticated,
and as of today, are consideredto most likely be fakes.
Dang.
However, we do have some reason to believethat last letter talking about
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an unidentified airplane recovered offthe coast might have some truth to it.
Remember the witnessesto the UFO flight path
that said itfinally headed back out over the ocean?
Well, a man named Doctor Richard Boylan,a clinical psychologist and UFO
researcher, received a letter from the son
of one Colonel William Brophy.
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The letter says that he and his dad talkedseveral times
about the fact that the Navyhad retrieved something in 1942.
And we have a guy named DoctorLincoln La Paz,
who was a fairly esteemed professorstudying astronomy and meteorites.
Well, he came forwardand said there were reports of this thing
going down in a deep V shaped marinetrench just off San Clemente Island,
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about 60 miles south southwestof Huntington Beach, the same location
where the craft is thoughtto have left land and headed out to sea.
Okay.
But we need something more.
Well, we have something more.
After a ridiculouslylong series of serendipitous
events, The Wanderling meta man named Bob Drake.
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Some of you might be familiarwith the name Bob Drake, as he was
a pretty well known racecar driverin Southern California in the 50s and 60s.
Bob had just signed up as a Navy man
right before the war started,and was going through diving school.
Bob's instructor was one of the Navy'sbest divers, with a specialty
in nighttime, hardhelmet dives in the really deep spots.
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Well, the story goes thatthe Navy pulled the instructor
from his classesto work on a special project.
And since Bob was one of the instructor’sbest students,
he brought Bob along as well.
Bob said he never got super closeto the area where the dive was happening,
as he was on the edges,helping to handle the skids of lights.
But he saw something.
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Something that was not an airplaneand not a submarine.
Unfortunately for us, he was not partof any kind of recovery operation.
And he has no ideawhat happened to the object he saw
in the deepwaters off of San Clemente Island.
But maybe, just maybe,
those 1,447 anti-aircraft shells
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did some damage after all.
So at this point, eighty years later,we will most likely
never know what really happenedthat night over Los Angeles.
We do know the events of that nighthad some very real consequences.
Two people died of heart attacksand three people were killed in
car accidents as they were trying to drivewithout headlights during the blackout.
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Several of the air raid wardenssuffered injuries from falls and mishaps
while trying to help others in the dark.
But the good news is, in that murky,dark night,
several babieswere also born safely by flashlight.
But the question still remainsif it was a big,
fat, slow moving blimp, how was itnot shot down
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with 1,447 antiaircraft shells?
If it was a weather balloon,how was it a) not shot down as well?
And b) how could it have appearedto hundreds of witnesses
as something that was more like 800ft longinstead of 30?
I realized that that nightthere were a bunch of young men scared
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as hell that we were being invaded,who might have had itchy trigger fingers.
But I don't believe that they wereshooting at smoke puffs in the air.
Those searchlights were lighting upsomething.
And almost 1,500 exploding shellsand countless rounds of 50 cal bullets
failing to bring down a single thingtells me one thing.
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Whatever was in the sky that night
is better at war than we are.
Special shout out to Zoe Marie
for sending me this beautiful jewelrythat she made herself.
It is gorgeous, Zoe, I love it.
Thank you so much.
I tried looking for a websitewhere people can go and see her stuff,
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but all I can find is her TikTok.
So, Zoe, if you're watching,please let me know where
people can go to see your stuffand I'll get it out in a post.
So what do you think?
Was this a case of wild cowboysshooting at nothing?
Or is this where we managedto recover our first taste of alien tech?
Unfortunately, as we lose those membersof the Greatest Generation,
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we lose moreand more hope of ever finding out.
But whether we find out or not,this one will always
be a great story in American history.
If your thirst for great storiesis still not quenched,
there'sanother one waiting for you right here.
Go ahead. Dive in.
Be careful out there.
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And I will see youhere again, on The InBetween.
Over a thousand shells firedat a seemingly indestructible target.
Hundreds of witnessessee something in the sky
they describe as “not of this world.”Was the U.S.
militarytrying to cover up for its own failings?
Were they trying to cover up the factthat something else
was in the sky,from which we had no protection?
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I'm Carol Ann.
Welcome to The InBetween.
Yesterday, December 7th,1941
a date which will live
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in infamy.
The United States of America
was suddenly and deliberately attacked
by naval and air forces
of the Empire of Japan.
Definitely a dark timefor the United States.
Ready or not. Here we go.
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So America is in Knives Out mode.
But two months after entering the war,the Western Defense Command,
a division of the U.S.
Army, had only 10% of the anti-aircraftguns needed to defend the Los
Angeles area.
They had 12 anti-aircraft guns, 12for the entire area.
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I'm sure they're working on it.
I mean, it had been 130 years sincea foreign war had come to our doorstep.
I think we're a little rustyat protecting the home front.
Which is why an attack on the Ellwood OilField near Santa Barbara on February
23rd, 1942, so not even three monthsafter the attack on Pearl Harbor,
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hit a little too close to home.
Figuratively and literally.
A Japanese submarinelobbed about 25 shells
at the facilityfrom a little less than a mile offshore.
It caused minimal damage physically,mostly to a pump house
and a derrick,but psychologically was a different story.
I mean, Hawaii was our territory.
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And the attack there was devastating.
But Hawaii still really far away.
The Ellwood oil field attack meant warwas real, and it was on our home shores.
So you can imagine the state of hyperawareness the people in the Los
Angeles area are probably inwhen just a day later,
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the evening of February 24th, airraid sirens reverberate through the air.
At 7:18 p.m., flares and blinkinglights are reported
near defense plants, but nothing happens.
So the all clear is given.
And then at 2 a.m.,so the morning of the 25th,
US Army radar detects unidentified objectsabout 120 miles west of Los Angeles,
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approaching the coast at varyingspeeds and altitudes.
At 2:25 a.m.,the air raid sirens blare again
with a mandatory blackout.
Anti-Aircraft guns went into actionagainst unidentified aircraft
in the Los Angeles area Los Angeles?
shortly after 3 a.m.
Pacific War time this morning.
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The anti-aircraft guns began barking
during a blackout Thousands of airraid wardens jump into service.
These are the guyswho go around the neighborhood
making sure that no one even lightsa cigarette on the streets.
No lights anywhere, for any reason.
At 3:16 a.m., as powerful searchlightsscan the skies,
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the 37th Coast Artillery Brigadesees something and opens fire
from Santa Monica with 50 cal machineguns and 12.8
pound anti-aircraft shells.
And for the next hour,three separate regiments,
with some help from a few others,fire 1447 shells.
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Reports are coming in from all overfrom people who see anywhere from 1
to 15 planes in the sky,flying at anywhere from 9,000 to 18,000ft.
Some report seeing a large floating objectlike a balloon,
but no planes are hit,no bombs are dropped.
In fact, the only damage reportedis from falling shrapnel and duds.
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Interestingly enough, as all of thischaos is going on, not one U.S.
plane left the ground.
Things eventually calmed down,and at 7:21 a.m., the all clear is given.
When the dust settles,everyone is asking what happened?
Who attacked us?
Unfortunately, it turns out nobody knows.
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Of course, the
first and most obviousculprit is the Japanese.
We are at war with them.
And they just attacked an oil fieldthe night before.
And unlike the US,they have subs that are capable
of carrying small sea planesand launching them with a catapult
to either conduct recon or conductair raids on the coastlines.
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But with no bombs being dropped,the idea became, well, maybe
they're flying commercial planes overheadjust to demoralize the American public.
Kind of a “see how easilywe invade your airspace” kind of thing.
But they were actually ruled outpretty fast.
Why would the Japanese fly over LAif they're not going to bomb it?
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The place is blacked out,so a recon run is kind of a moot point.
And the radar signature didn't match.
Whatever was showing up onradar was moving pretty slow.
Slower than an airplane.
After the war ended, the Japanese came outand said, oh, by the way,
we didn't bomb Los Angeles,so probably not the Japanese.
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Except I could see a scenariowhere the Japanese
are thinking,we're in enough trouble already.
Let's not pile on ourselvesby letting them know we did that, too.
But I don't know.
But let's take their word for iton this one.
But not even the US governmentis blaming the Japanese.
The official story is that everybodywas just so freaked out
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from the bombing of the oil fieldsjust the night before that, adrenaline
meters were running just a little highwhen the sirens went off yet again.
And understandably so.
2,403 people had just been killed
at Pearl Harborless than three months earlier.
The sting of another country bringingthat kind of devastation to our house
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put a lot of peoplein that “never again” mindset.
So once the sirens start wailing,the whole area is plunged into darkness
and the searchlights light up the skyto start scanning for the enemy.
The people's eyes are fixed on the sky,looking for
anything that shouldn't be there.
And they did a great job.
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The number of reports of things in the skythat night is crazy.
We'll dig into more specifics in a minute,but suffice to say, the people
and the military were on itlike white on rice.
So the instant that someone saw something,the shells
and the bullets started flying.
But at what exactly?
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Well, therein lies the rub.
Later that same day, Frank Knox,Secretary of the Navy,
came out with a statementthat said false alarm, Our bad.
Itchy trigger fingers.
He says once the first shot rang out,the rest was just us
shooting at puffs of smokefrom all the exploded shells before it.
However, Henry Stimson,the Secretary of War, made a statement
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the same day saying au contraire,mon frere.
There were 15 unidentified aircraftin the skies.
That's what we were shooting at.
Keep in mindthat in 1942, the Department of War
and the Department of the Navywere separate departments.
So to have the head of eachof those departments telling
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different stories was kind of a problem.
However, the very next day,September 26th,
Secretary Stimson walked backthat explanation and said,
forget what I said about the 15 targetsof some kind in the air.
It was say it with me.
A weather balloon.
Just a little aside moment here.
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If anybody watches true crime content,you may have heard of a channel
called That Chapter.
And in the world of true crime, the murdermotive includes the insurance money
so often, that the host, Mike,has a special insurance money dance.
I feel like we should have a specialdance for weather balloons.
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Amazingly enough, there
actually is evidence of a weather balloonbeing involved in this whole fiasco.
A balloon was launched about 1 a.m.
somewhere in the LA area.
In fact,either the Army or the weather service
did this all the time to check for currentwind speeds for air defense operations.
And apparently this particular balloonhad a red tracking flare on it as well,
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which is what is saidto have triggered the panic on the ground.
But did it?
Here is just a small list of the reports
that came in between 3 and 4 a.m..
One guy, Colonel Watson, reportedseeing a weather balloon at 3 a.m..
Okay, we know there was one in the area.
Colonel HenryC Davis says he saw 10 to 15 planes
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over Inglewood, but then decidedit was just smoke from a refinery.
Lieutenant Buchanan saw 20 to 30 planes
at 20,000ft, 150mph,
from a hotel roof at 8th and Flower.
He even heard the sound of the engines,but couldn't see anything beyond that.
Three guards that were with Buchanansaw something lit up by the searchlights
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and heard the engines,but couldn't give any more details.
Several soldiers from the 203rd
California Regimentreported 7 to 8 planes at high
altitude, in searchlightsthat looked like birds.
Several civilianscalled in to report swarms of planes.
Anywhere from 9to 50 at altitudes of 10,000 to 20,000ft.
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People around Long Beach reportedseeing three planes
over the ocean, with onemaybe even being shot down
and another resident reported a planecrashing.
The governor's office received lettersfrom people claiming to have seen
dozens of Japanese bombersand fast moving planes.
Some of which dropped bombs.
Now, I'm sure there's a certain amountof these sightings
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that can be chalked up to eithershadows of the smoke from the exploded
shells and/or from the weather balloons.
But not all of them.
Which brings us to the elephantin the room.
This photo.
Most of us who enjoy exploring the weirdand unique corners of this world
are probably at least a little familiarwith the photograph published in the L.A.
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Times of the big white blob in the air,lit up by huge spotlights.
The version published in the paperis not the original.
The original was touched up,which was pretty common back then
because some photos needed a little helpto make them clearer when printed.
In the original version,the blob in the middle
and the beams fromthe spotlights are a lot less defined.
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We don't see that UFO shape in the middle,
which is the hallmark of the retouchedversion.
However, in my opinion, those searchlightsare still lighting up something.
Otherwise we wouldn'thave that white blob in the middle.
The light beams would just keep going.
But they don't.
Question is, what is it?
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Well, Is it a Japanese plane?
I doubt it.
The Japanese said we didn't do that.
And considering that they pretty muchfessed up to everything else,
why would they lie about this one thing?
Could it be an American plane? Nope.
All American planes in the areawere at the ready that night,
but the Army, which controlledthe airplanes back then, chose
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to keep our forces on the ground
until we could get a graspon what we were dealing with here.
Could it be a weather balloon? Maybe.
But weather balloons were, at best
about 30ft in diameter, and pear shaped.
It's not what is shown in this picture.
Not to mention the fact that both a planeand a weather balloon
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would have been brought downby the absolute hell
fire of anti-aircraft shellsand 50 cal bullets.
To put that into perspective,that's an average
of one shot firedalmost every two seconds.
That's a lot of shells.
Yet nothing was everofficially reported as being shot down.
I heard a rumor that there was a policereport of a downed plane, but I couldn't
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find that report, so I have to staywith the official version at the moment.
Now, if you're like me,that's about where the story ends with
just that tantalizing clue from the paperand the question, what else could it be?
What else could withstanda total bombardment?
Has to be UFO, right?
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Which is where we are usually toldthat the picture has been retouched.
And what we're seeingis a weather balloon.
End of story.
And as much as I hate to admit it,I was inclined to believe it,
but that my brothers and sistersis not the end of the story.
Or shall I say, I've discoveredsome chapters that are missing
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from the mainstream version of the story.
First,let's talk about that radar confirmation
of somethingheading toward LA from the ocean.
At exactly 1:44 a.m., radar
picked up a large, fast moving,unidentifiable aerial target.
By 2 a.m., the target was peggedas being 120 miles west of L.A.
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and headed in that direction.
At 2:15.
Anti-Aircraft batteries are alertedand put on green alert,
which means ready to fire a few minuteslater
and the blackout is ordered at 2:21.
But whatever they're tracking vanishes.
The vast majority of what we know aboutthe myriad of UFO reports from that night
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come from the exhaustive researchof two people, an online website created
by someone known only as The Wanderling,and a man named C Scott Littleton,
both of whom witnessedthe UFO firsthand when children.
An event that would be the catalyst forexhaustive research in their adult years.
Scott Littleton is actually considered bymany historians to be the guy to talk to.
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When it comes to the Battle of LA.
Over the decades, he has collected
hundreds of eyewitness accounts.
Between the two of them.
They have pieced together the route takenby something they all remember
as being big, like 800ft across,
big, slow moving and completely silent.
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The Wanderling even made a map of the UFOs
route based on eyewitness accounts.
The object is picked up on radar at 1:44a.m., 120 miles out,
but coming in fast on a trajectory easttoward the city of Los Angeles.
At 50 miles out, it then slows way down
and hits the shoresomewhere near Point Dume.
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This is the point that it disappearsfrom radar, because it drops down
behind the Santa Monica mountains,where the coastal radar can't see it.
It continues east, then turnssouth in the gap in the mountains
around SepulvedaBoulevard and Mulholland Drive.
This is interestingbecause at this point, it's coming in
behind all of the anti-aircraft batteries,which are all pointed out
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toward the ocean,where an enemy should be coming from.
It gains altitudeas it heads back out over the ocean,
hugs the coast,and comes back in over land again.
Of all the accounts I'm sharingtoday, Scott Littleton's encounter
seems to be the first one on the map, asthe object is rolling down the shoreline.
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Now remember, it may have been 3 a.m.,but once those sirens start going off,
anyone who could was out on the streettrying to figure out what was going on.
Scott is eight years old at the timeand lives literally on Hermosa Beach.
So he has an Omnimax viewof the entire coastline.
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Scott's dad is an air raid warden,so as soon as the sirens let loose,
he is out of bed in a flashto get to work.
So while Scott's dad heads out for his airraid warden duties,
Scott and his mom are outsidescanning the skies for what they think
are going to be Japanese planesflying overhead any second.
Instead, they spot a glowing object,
which Scott describes as a small, glowing,slightly lozenge shaped blob
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that's already being followedby the searchlights
and pounded by anti-aircraftfire as it slowly
meanders across the oceanfrom northwest to southeast.
It comes back inland over Redondo Beach,a couple of miles
to the south of Scott's house,and eventually disappears over the hills.
They are able to watch this thing floatingin the sky for like a half an hour.
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It then passes
over a woman by the name of Fifie Malouf,
owner of the Happy Hour Caferight on Redondo Beach.
She says she woke up to sirensand gunfire outside.
She jumps out of bed and runs outside,only to see a huge giant object
as big as, in her words, a locomotivesilently gliding a few hundred feet
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above the beach and over her cafeand the apartment on top.
It came in off the ocean, made no sound,
and took forever to pass overbecause it was so big.
Next comesthe testimony of the Wanderling.
He's a couple of years
younger than Scott Littleton,but what he sees burns into his memory.
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He looks up to see a huge, gigantic thinglooming low over the hills,
not very high above the groundas it passes slowly overhead.
Only the underside is visible.
And just like Fifie said,it takes a really long time.
It's wide and flat, slightly curved towardthe center and concave on the bottom.
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But once it does pass over,he can see it's kind of a wedge shape,
slightly more narrow in the frontand widening toward the back,
almost like an upside downspade type shovel.
And he specifically notesthat there are no markings,
hieroglyphics, insignia, numbers,openings, windows,
portholes, hatches, seams, lights,propellers, outboard motors,
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wheels, wings, fins or stabilizers.
It's totally silent,but leaves a faint smell in the air
of an overused electric train transformer.
And the part that I think is the mostinteresting of this entire description
is that he says, “It was like a lost babyelephant just searching for its mommy.
And everywhereit went, it got chased away or shot
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at.” What an interesting take.
A lot of the witnesses likenedwhat they saw to a Zeppelin.
Not so much for the shape as for theoverall length and enormity of this thing.
But the Wanderling saysthat unlike a Zeppelin,
that is basically a big balloonand pretty much moves like a balloon,
this object had a weightiness to it,
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more like a floating battleship.
After it passes over his house, his dad
and a couple of other neighbor guysjump in a car and try to follow it.
But the object speeds up enoughthat the men can't keep up.
But his father told them that he saw 3or 4 narrow
orange reddishglowing openings in the rear.
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Kind of like shark gills.
As the object continues on its path,it passes over one witness,
a mother who wakes up towhat she thinks are gunshots.
She wakes up her son to get themselvesout of the house.
Mom goes outside first to see what's goingon, and looks up to see an object
in the sky,alternating from light to dark as
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searchlights try to hone in on it.
From there,it was seen by a witness named Mr.
Edwards.
Mr. Edwardsalso woken up by the sound of gunfire.
Then his house begins to shake.
To the extentthat things are falling off the shelves,
like a freight trainis flying by the front of his house.
He runs outsidejust in time to catch a glimpse of what
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looks like the dark blacksilhouette of a flying ship,
cresting over and going down the hill,heading south.
He runs back inside, throws on some shoesand a jacket over his PJs,
runs down the street in the directionit was traveling,
thinking thatwhatever it is has to have crashed.
And he gets to the top of the hill.
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There is no crashand the flying object is gone.
At this point, the object takes aturn to the east, and in 1942,
the area east of the Redondo Beach areais really nothing but fields and oil rigs.
Now keep in mindthat at this point in history,
the Japanese, who make up only about 1%of the population of the LA area,
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are starting to take some real heatfrom the rest of America.
Those Japanese who have farmlandare starting to deal with vandals
coming into their fields at nightand destroying their crops.
So this fateful night, a young JapaneseAmerican named Albert Nozaki
is out in the fields with his friendsto keep watch against vandals.
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By 1 a.m., his friend,
who had watched the fields
in the night before and then workedall day, was zonked, leaving
poor Albert with his thermos of coffeeto stand guard alone.
Around 3 a.m.,all that coffee catches up with Albert,
who gets up to shake himself awakeand empty his bladder.
He walks off in the directionof the beach towns,
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And as he's standing there, he's thinking,wow, it's really dark tonight.
Then it dawns on him.
From where he's standing,
he should be able to see a glow in the skyfrom the beach towns.
It's not there.
In fact, there isn't any light anywhere
except for faint lightcoming from the cities north of him.
He has no idea that a blackouthas been ordered.
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But he can't shake the feelingthat something is wrong.
He can't really see all that farfrom where he is.
So Albert walks a little waysinto the field to get a better view.
That's when he sees, barely silhouettedagainst the night sky, a huge dark
object in the air heading right for himat a pretty good clip.
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Right before this thing is rightover his head,
it turns and heads southso that he is just under the edge of it.
Albert describesthe craft as dark and very long.
No lights, no windows, no wings,
but outside edges that curve down.
It’s also completely silent, thoughAlbert can feel a slight vibration,
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almost like a hum in his chestas it flies over him.
To him, the object look too heavyto be able to stay airborne,
but he also didn't seeany signs of engines pushing it forward.
And here's an interesting note.
Albert says that he felt likeit was being kept afloat
by some kind of downward force,
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although he didn't physicallyfeel anything pushing against him.
And didn't see any kind of invisible forceaffecting the field around him.
His buddy wakes up, finally finds Albertstill standing out in the field.
Albert tells his friend what he saw,but the object is
long gone,following its trajectory to the south.
Albert went on to have a career as an artdirector in Hollywood,
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even earning an Oscar nomination in 1957
for his artdirection on The Ten Commandments.
But more interesting in this case
is his workon the movie War of the Worlds.
Albert designed the alien ships.
In a movie worldthat had thus far portrayed UFOs as flying
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silver frisbees,Albert says the inspiration
for his groundbreakingdesign of the enemy ship came directly
from his memory of the shiphe saw going over the fields that night.
It's not a direct representation,but the ominous feeling he got from
the concave structure of its underside,forever remained in his memory.
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So after all the hundreds of eyewitnesstestimonies that have been collected,
as if fthat's not enough,do we have any other proof?
Maybe.
There are two documents floating aroundthat are rather interesting.
The first is a letter from PresidentRoosevelt to Secretary
George C Marshall, the Chief of Staffof the United States Army,
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classification Secret,dated February 27th, 1942.
So, two days after the Battle of LA.
Dear General,
I am fully aware of the situationconcerning the unidentified aircraft
in the vicinity of Los Angeles and therecovery efforts by Rear Admiral Anderson.
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The information you have providedis most disturbing.
I am particularly concernedwith the potential implications
for national securityand the possible origins of these devices.
In light of recent events,including the air raid over Los Angeles,
it is imperative that we accelerateour research into these phenomena.
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The atomic secrets learnedfrom the study of celestial devices
recovered in the past must be applied
immediately to our defense programs.
I hereby authorize Doctor Vannevar Bush
to proceed with the projectwithout further delay.
Please ensurethat all necessary resources are allocated
and that this matter remainsunder the strictest secrecy.
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Sincerely, Franklin D Roosevelt.
The second is a letter from SecretaryMarshall to FDR
classificationtop secret, dated March 5th, 1942.
So just a few days after the first one.
Mr. President,Regarding the air raid over Los Angeles,
it was learned by Army G-2that Rear Admiral Anderson
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recovered an unidentified airplaneoff the coast of California
with no bearing onconventional explanation.
This headquarters
has come to the determinationthat the mystery airplanes are, in fact
not earthly, and accordingto secret intelligence sources,
they are in all probabilityof interplanetary origin.
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As a consequence,I have issued orders to Army G-2
that a special intelligence unitbe created
whose mission it isto further investigate the phenomenon
and report any significant connectionbetween recent incidents
and those collected by the director,the office of Coordinator of Information.
The unit will be knownas the Interplanetary Phenomena
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Unit, (IPU), and will include scientists
and military personnelwith expertise in various fields.
Respectfully,George C Marshall, Chief of Staff.
Smoking gun. Right?
Not so fast.
The Interplanetary Phenomena Unit, or IPU,
was a real thing,but it wasn't formalized until later.
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Of course, we can't find outany more about it, because apparently
all records of itwere destroyed in the 50s.
Convenient.
And both lettershave yet to be authenticated,
and as of today, are consideredto most likely be fakes.
Dang.
However, we do have some reason to believethat last letter talking about
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an unidentified airplane recovered offthe coast might have some truth to it.
Remember the witnessesto the UFO flight path
that said itfinally headed back out over the ocean?
Well, a man named Doctor Richard Boylan,a clinical psychologist and UFO
researcher, received a letter from the son
of one Colonel William Brophy.
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The letter says that he and his dad talkedseveral times
about the fact that the Navyhad retrieved something in 1942.
And we have a guy named DoctorLincoln La Paz,
who was a fairly esteemed professorstudying astronomy and meteorites.
Well, he came forwardand said there were reports of this thing
going down in a deep V shaped marinetrench just off San Clemente Island,
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about 60 miles south southwestof Huntington Beach, the same location
where the craft is thoughtto have left land and headed out to sea.
Okay.
But we need something more.
Well, we have something more.
After a ridiculouslylong series of serendipitous
events, The Wanderling meta man named Bob Drake.
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Some of you might be familiarwith the name Bob Drake, as he was
a pretty well known racecar driverin Southern California in the 50s and 60s.
Bob had just signed up as a Navy man
right before the war started,and was going through diving school.
Bob's instructor was one of the Navy'sbest divers, with a specialty
in nighttime, hardhelmet dives in the really deep spots.
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Well, the story goes thatthe Navy pulled the instructor
from his classesto work on a special project.
And since Bob was one of the instructor’sbest students,
he brought Bob along as well.
Bob said he never got super closeto the area where the dive was happening,
as he was on the edges,helping to handle the skids of lights.
But he saw something.
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Something that was not an airplaneand not a submarine.
Unfortunately for us, he was not partof any kind of recovery operation.
And he has no ideawhat happened to the object he saw
in the deepwaters off of San Clemente Island.
But maybe, just maybe,
those 1,447 anti-aircraft shells
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did some damage after all.
So at this point, eighty years later,we will most likely
never know what really happenedthat night over Los Angeles.
We do know the events of that nighthad some very real consequences.
Two people died of heart attacksand three people were killed in
car accidents as they were trying to drivewithout headlights during the blackout.
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Several of the air raid wardenssuffered injuries from falls and mishaps
while trying to help others in the dark.
But the good news is, in that murky,dark night,
several babieswere also born safely by flashlight.
But the question still remainsif it was a big,
fat, slow moving blimp, how was itnot shot down
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with 1,447 antiaircraft shells?
If it was a weather balloon,how was it a) not shot down as well?
And b) how could it have appearedto hundreds of witnesses
as something that was more like 800ft longinstead of 30?
I realized that that nightthere were a bunch of young men scared
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as hell that we were being invaded,who might have had itchy trigger fingers.
But I don't believe that they wereshooting at smoke puffs in the air.
Those searchlights were lighting upsomething.
And almost 1,500 exploding shellsand countless rounds of 50 cal bullets
failing to bring down a single thingtells me one thing.
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Whatever was in the sky that night
is better at war than we are.
Special shout out to Zoe Marie
for sending me this beautiful jewelrythat she made herself.
It is gorgeous, Zoe, I love it.
Thank you so much.
I tried looking for a websitewhere people can go and see her stuff,
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but all I can find is her TikTok.
So, Zoe, if you're watching,please let me know where
people can go to see your stuffand I'll get it out in a post.
So what do you think?
Was this a case of wild cowboysshooting at nothing?
Or is this where we managedto recover our first taste of alien tech?
Unfortunately, as we lose those membersof the Greatest Generation,
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we lose moreand more hope of ever finding out.
But whether we find out or not,this one will always
be a great story in American history.
If your thirst for great storiesis still not quenched,
there'sanother one waiting for you right here.
Go ahead. Dive in.
Be careful out there.
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And I will see youhere again, on The InBetween.
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CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist
It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.