August 28, 2025 • 35 mins
Meet the real Men in Black: Reporter Bob Stiff investigated UFOs and received 13 threatening calls: "Stop now or we'll stop you." 11-year-old Mary R. was burned by a UFO. Her family vanished the next day. Engineer Paul Bennewitz tried to warn the President about aliens—the government drove him insane instead. Your tax dollars fund psychological warfare against UFO witnesses.
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You see something in the sky.
Something that shattersyour reality and answers
the question, “Arewe alone,”at the same time.
Then you hear a knock at your door.
Do you answer it?
Today's episode of Men in Black Encountersmay have you thinking twice.
I'm Carol Ann.
Welcome to The InBetween.
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Our story starts with a storywithin a story.
And we are going to startfrom the inside out.
On a small farm on the outerfringes of an Oklahoma City suburb
called Midwest City, whose nearestneighbors are two and a half miles away.
It's a dark night in 1964,and a little girl
known only as Mary Ris having a tough night.
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She and her parents are at oddsabout something,
and the fight is bad enoughthat little Mary storms out the back door
in the only form of protestan 11 year old can muster.
Mary's dad says, just let her go.
She'll cool off.
But Mary's mom just feels badabout the entire argument and decides
to follow her outside,
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and see if there's anythingshe can do to soothe any hurt feelings.
But just as she makes it to the back door,
she hears a loud screamcoming from the backyard.
She runs out the door and is hitwith this stench of burning flesh,
but just in time to see a round,glowing object in the sky,
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that she later describesas a flying ashtray,
rising into the skyand flying off into the night.
She looks around and sees Mary lyingon the ground, 20 to 30ft from the house.
She runs to Mary side and asks her, “What
happened?” Mary can't answer.
She is in so much painthat all she can do is whimper and cry.
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Mrs. R picks Mary upand rushes her back into the farmhouse.
They call the policeand tell them send an ambulance.
And as if a UFO attacking herdaughter isn't weird enough.
Here's where things veer offinto Conspiracy Central.
The family calls their local police,which most likely would have been
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the Midwest City Police Department,
but the responding officers are fromOklahoma City.
Who called them?
And the ambulance that pulls up tothe house is from a private company
that never takes calls outsideof Midwest City, but they did that night.
And remember,this is way before 911 is available.
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So it's not like departmentsare working together like they are now.
Mary is taken to Midwest City Hospital,but then transferred within
just a couple of hours to a hospitalon Tinker Air Force Base right next door.
Even though no one in the R familyis in the Air Force,
which is required for admittanceto that hospital.
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Two days later, three separate people
witness all of the R family's stuffbeing loaded onto two large “Air
Force blue” trucks,And the family is never seen again.
Enter the International Dateline
reporter for Saucer Scoopmagazine named Robert A.,
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better known as Bob, Stiff,who gets wind of the case.
This isn't an international case, butit's right in his Oklahoma City backyard.
Bob starts his investigation,but gets nowhere fast, for several months.
Then he manages to gain a contact
within the Air Force with access.
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The contact looks into the matterand tells Bob, “I didn't tell you this,
but it looks like the whole familyand all of their stuff
was flown to Washington, D.C..”So he keeps digging.
By now, we're talking three yearsafter the initial incident at the farm.
Bob manages to find a nurse at Midwest
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City Hospitalthat remembers Mary coming in that night.
The incident is stuck in her headbecause to her, was pretty odd.
She tells Bob that Mary came in with burnsall over her
body, like 75% of her body.
The nurse says that's not unusualin and of itself.
They handle burn cases all the time.
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What made it stick in her brainis that Mary was burned all over,
but there were no singe markson any of her clothing.
Bob keeps diggingand keeps pushing buttons,
and by June of 1967, finally managesto convince an Oklahoma U.S.
Senator, Mike Monroney, to help him
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get the Air Forceto release their records.
Tinker Air Force Basehas admitted that they have a file,
but won't release itwithout approval from the Pentagon.
Now, that in and of itselfis pretty significant at this point
because Project Blue Book is still active,which was just basically 22 years
of the Air Force telling people everywherearound the country that
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they didn't see a UFO.
There's no such thing as UFOs.
Swamp gas from a weatherballoon was trapped in a thermal pocket
and refracted the light from Venus.
Wait, So for them to admit they even havea file, it's a pretty big accomplishment.
But we need to stop right thereand move up a layer in our story.
Because at this point, June of 67,
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Bob has a story of his own unfolding.
This layer of the story actually startsback on February 7th of 67, as
Bob is doing his best to follow his listof leads on Mary's case.
The phone rings,which begins a series of 13
phone callsfrom the same condescending voice.
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All but two of them coming at exactly7 p.m.
each time,spanning the better part of 1967.
The first call was justa little friendly advice.
I would suggestyou drop your investigations
into certain so-called UFO reports.
Who is this?
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That doesn't matter.
But do as I say for your own good.
Second call February 23rd.
Mr. stiff, Yes.
Just a moment, please.
This is Mr. Steve.
you haven't heeded my advice, Mr.
Stiff.
The information you've gatheredconcerning certain
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UFO reports is now useless to you.
I would suggest you delveinto other subjects
and leave the UFO reports alone.
Third call.
April 7th.
Mr. stiff, Before you start,I think I should tell you
that this type of nonsensedoesn't bother me in the least.
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If you got enjoyment from this,you're sick.
I'm far from sick, Mr.
Stiff,and I don't enjoy having to do this.
But we don't feel it in our interest.
As have you. Continue.
If you do,we have many means of stopping you.
Such as Martian death rays.
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Or do you base your calls on Flash Gordon?
I don't feel it possible that you actuallythink I believe all this stuff.
If you don't now, you soon will.
I don't know of Mr.
Gordon, but I can assure youwe have methods other than death rays.
As you call them.
Fourth call.
April 28th.
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Mr. stiff, Speaking.
stop now, or I must do it for you,
Now, keep in mind that at this point, Bobhadn't actually published
anything about this caseuntil the May edition of Saucer Scoop.
So at the very least, the first four phonecalls come from someone who shouldn't
even know he'sworking on this, or any case.
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So how did they know?
Fifth call.
May 5th.
Mr. Stiff.
What now?
Did you find what I saidabout the uselessness
of certain UFO informationsheets to be true?
Yes. Just some degree.
I'm sure it's more uselessthan you care to admit.
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very busy, so please stop
calling meor I'm going to have these calls traced.
That cannot be done.
What? Can't be done?
Stopping the calls or having them traced.
Both.
I shall continue to urge youto stop your hopeless investigations.
And the latter threatof having these communications traced
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cannot be accomplished.
Sixth call.
May 12th.
Mr. stiff, Speaking.
the informationconcerning the burn case you've gathered
will be of no help to you now.
How much proofdo you require before you believe?
This is no game.
I want to tell you something.
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Whoever you At least you didn't say.
Whatever you are, I'm not frightenedby this nonsense you continue to pursue.
If you were what you pretend to be,I feel you would have
other means of communicationother than a telephone. Mr.
Stiff, you assume too much.
Have I ever said who I am or pretendedto be other than a voice of advice?
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insinuate who you are, and I'm inno mood to believe it for one minute.
Regardless of your mood.
I'm here, Seventh call.
May 26th.
Mr. Stiff.
What new advice do we have tonight?
Your sense of humor may not last long, Mr.
Stiff.How was your mail coming these days?
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What do you mean, Is itnot falling off a big. no?
I feel you are not being honest, Mr.
Stiff.
Your correspondencefrom your representatives in other nations
has been less of late. Correct?
I hope you know that's a federal offense.
Tampering with the mails.
I thought you said it hadn't changedWhat is the purpose behind the charade?
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You must know.
I don't believe it.
again, Mr. Stiff.
I fear you are not being honest.
In what way?
You are believing more and more.
I believe you are mistaken.
Not me. Have it your way, Mr. Stiff.
But we both know
This brings
us to June, whichis when Bob got the senator Mike Monroney
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on board to help him get the Air Forcefiles released.
Eigth call June 9th. Yes.
you're planning a publication.
I understand, That's right.
don't
Ninth call June 23rd.
Mr. Stiff.
Speaking.
Do you still want more proof?
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What do you mean?
How is your publication developing?
Fine.
Come now.
Isn't that an overstatement?
I said it was fine.
I just haven't had the time latelyto work on it.
I understandyou've had trouble with your print.
And in obtaining certain mailing permits.
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Your information is incorrect.
I don't think so.
Also in the month of June,Bob was slated to be a guest on a local TV
special on UFOs, where he was goingto talk about the case of Mary R.
Before the scheduled air date,he gets a call from the director
who tells him,if you talk about the case of the girl,
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the producers are going to cancelthe show.
What? That makes no sense.
The director says, I don't understand
it either, but that's the word coming downfrom the station manager.
Bob still does the show,but he doesn't talk about Mary.
It's about this same timethat Senator Monroney ghosts him.
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No more muscle to helpget the Air Force to release their files.
And the one guy at Tinker Air Force Basethat Bob had been talking to
about the file also left him high and dry.
Every time he called the base,
the guy wouldn't take his callsor they would say he wasn't there.
Once, when they told him that his contactwas out, Bob hung up and called
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right back asking for the same guyusing a different voice,
and he was magically connectedright to him.
Once Bob tells the guy, “Hey, it's Bob,”the guy just hangs up on him.
So I guess they're not going to bereleasing any files any time soon.
10th call June 30th.
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Mr. Stiff.
me one favor before you start.
Tell me who you are and who it isyou're supposed to represent.
There'd be no way for me to prove this.
If you did tell me.
And perhapsI might believe some of what you say.
Does it really matter who I amor who I represent?
Yes, it does.
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Let's just say that I am a voiceand representative
that do not wish you to continuein your present pursuits.
That tells me nothing.
Perhaps more than you realize.
Maybe so.
But why me?
Assuming that you are who you say you are.
I never said who I was.
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All right.
Assume that you are who you seem to be.
The assumptions are entirely your own, Mr.
Stiff. Possibly.
But anyway, why me?
And why this silly method?
I think you've found thismethod to be as effective as any.
Haven't you?
You've dropped certain investigationsbecause you could gather
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no more information.
And you are not going to publisha magazine now, correct?
But not because of you. Really?
You've still not answered me.
You are delving now where you shouldn't.
For example, I am not a fool, Mr.
Stiff.
I know you're speaking of the caseconcerning the little girl
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and the Tulsa photograph. Again.
These are your assumptions.
Possibly.
But just what do you want me to do?
Don't continuein your present investigations.
And if I do, which I will.
You will be stopped.
Heading into
July, Bob is laid up for a bit,but receives this lovely
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letter in the mail from his bossat Sausage Scoop, Joan Ritenour.
“Bob, just a short note to inform you
that your services are no longer requiredwith Saucer Scoop.
You are no longer a director, andyour articles are not needed any longer.
Please do not write anymorebecause I will not answer.”
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That might be a bit distressingfor most people, but not for Bob.
He knew Joan well and knew
this is not what Joan would doif she were going to fire him.
She'd be on the phonegiving him a piece of her mind personally.
A quick phone call to Joan confirms it.
The letter’s a fake.
11th call. July 12th.
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Mr. stiff, Speaking.
you were wise to do as I asked.
What do you mean?
Dropping certain investigations.
I haven't dropped them.
I've just started others more recentuntil I can get more information
on the previous ones.
There will be no more informationto be had.
Mr. stiff.
12th call.
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August 1st.
Mr. stiff. Speaking.
It was not wise to transmitthe knowledge of these calls to others.
What do you mean?
When will you realizeyou're not dealing with fools?
We have stabbed you many timesand you know it now.
You've told others of our talks.
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They don't believe themany more than I do.
You believe itmore than you care to admit.
You seem to think you know a lot moreabout what I believe than I do.
Then.
You have a saying.
Actions speak louder than words.
On August 4th,
Bob gets a letter postmarkedAugust 3rd from Oklahoma City.
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“Mr. Stiff,I know what has been happening to you.
Please believe me. You cannot beat them.
Do as they say for your own good.
Signed, A Friend.”
13th call.
August 18th.
Mr. stiff, Just a moment, please.
I'll see if he's in.
he is.
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Hello?
Your comparison theory is interesting.
Mr. stiff. But do you find out about that?
You see, we do have means.
Well, several people know about it.
Only three people know about your work.
That's right. Those three in you.
You must think that one overWhat did you want?
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to tell you that we are not pleasedwith the research you have been doing.
Such as?
I have no time for games, Mr. Stiff.
Just know we shall always be informed
about what you are doingand that you cannot win.
That is the
last time Bob hearsfrom his anonymous caller.
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The only other moment of cloak and dagger
is a noteleft in his mailbox on September 2nd.
No stamp, no postmark.
“Mr. Stiff, Stop now or they will act.
Please believe me.
They will do it.
Signed, A Friend.”
Bob never stopped his investigationinto Mary's encounter.
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But he justdidn't have much to work with anymore.
Between being ghosted by Senator Moroney(a two time attender of the Bilderberg
meetings in 1959 and 1961),and his contact at Tinker Air Force Base
and the witnesses all suddenly singing
the same tune of, “Moving Vans?
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We didn't see any moving vans,” therejust wasn't anywhere else for him to go.
But he continued to write for Saucer Scoopmagazine for a couple more years,
while at the same time serving as Directorof the International UFO Bureau.
But Bob's is far from the only case of out
of control harassmentfrom these mysterious callers.
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Take the case of Danny Gordon,a radio journalist for WYVE
in Wytheville, Virginia.
His case starts in early October of 1987.
He's calling around to find contentfor his news radio program,
when the sheriff's departmenttells him with a chuckle, “Hey,
we got a great story for you.”The night before, four police officers,
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three of them deputies and one of themformer
military, called in a report of a UFO.
Dannythinks, “Perfect,” and finishes his show
with it as kind of a lighthearted wayto end a heavy news program.
But something happens that he doesn'texpect.
Tons of people call the station to reportthat they've seen things in the sky, too,
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totally jamming the station's switchboard.
So Danny kind of seizes the moment,
and a week later, on October 19th,set up a special call-in program
specifically to talk about local UFOsightings.
The station's switchboard is floodedwith calls describing egg shaped objects,
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flashing red, green and white lightsand other things in the sky
that do not even come closeto resembling a plane.
Now, all of this is interesting,
but Danny's ano nonsense kind of reporter.
There has to be an explanation.
Maybe it's some kind
of experimental aircraftbeing tested from Langley Air Force Base.
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It's the other side of the state,but you never know.
So he and others call Langley,who tell everyone
that they must be seeing planesrefueling midair.
Seriously?
So Danny calls the Pentagonand talks to an Air Force
general who tells him planesdon't refuel under 13,000ft.
If you guys are seeing things under that13,000ft mark, that ain't us.
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Just two days later, on October 21st,
Danny and his friend Roger Hall, a formercommercial airline pilot,
decided to do some boots on the groundinvestigating and drive south
to a sighting hotspot, armedwith a still camera and a video camera.
After two hours of driving around,watching the skies,
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and seeing nothing,they decided to head home.
And of course, that's when they see it.
As they're driving on Route 21 southinto Wytheville,
they spot a large domeshaped wingless craft
roughly two football fields in diameter
and up about 1000ft,with multicolored strobe lights,
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lit windows, and a red glowing balldocking with it.
Then it just drifts off into the night.
The two look at each other.
Did you get any pictures?
No. Did you? No.
So the two go out again the next nightand they see more things in the sky.
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But this time they're not as awestruckand manage to take pictures.
With the filmnot even out of the camera yet,
Danny calls a press conferencefor the following day, October 23rd.
I'm not sure why, except maybe
so he can tell the worldthat he's no longer a skeptic.
He has seen the light, literally.
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The photos he capturesare nothing to write home about.
Just some grainy streaks of light.
Remember, it's only 1987.
But evidently they're good enoughto capture someone's attention.
Because that same night,Danny gets a phone call,
an anonymous caller warnsDanny that the CIA and federal government
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are interested in Wythe County UFOs,and that he'd better back off.
But Danny goes aheadwith the press conference,
and when he gets home, he sees thatsomeone has broken into his house.
They didn’t take anything,
but to Danny, it seems likesomeone was looking for something.
Fast forwardanother six weeks to December of 1987.
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Danny, his wife and daughter, plus around
200 others, including an entire schoolbus full of kids,
see four silent aircraft in formationover a shopping mall.
Danny gets pictures of these too,capturing four shape changing objects
that go from teardrops to balls
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to discs to eggs in four images.
By this point, much to his wife's chagrin,
Danny is all in, and by January of 1988
manages to collect over 1,500
UFO reports just within, Wythe County.
That's when he gets another call,
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this time from a retired militaryintelligence officer.
The caller urges Danny to record the call,so in the future,
he can say, “I warned you.”So Danny records the call.
The caller warns Danny to be carefulor the powers
that be will go after his family.
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The caller says that his own son
had died of leukemiabecause of the caller's own actions.
He tells Danny that they can target himwith skin contact chemicals
on his car door or his steering wheel,or go after his kids.
Less than one month later, so February of88, Danny gets a visit at his house
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from two men posing as journalistswho'd like an interview.
Danny says, “Sure,” and invites them in.
They interview him for about 45 minutes,with one guy
sitting with Danny asking questionsand the other guy
wandering around the housetaking pictures.
When they're done, they said,“We'll let you know
when the article's coming out,”but I never did.
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After a while,
Danny calls the paper to find outwhen the article is being published,
only to find out that the newspaperhas never even heard of these guys.
Not long after that, Danny figures outthat the negatives
to the shopping mall pictures are gone.
By April,Danny's wife takes the kids and moves out.
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All the cloak and daggerintrigue is just too much.
And two months later, in June, Danny
suffers a stress induced heart attack.
If you ask Danny now, he'll say,
“Don't look up.” “Seeing,one of these things is much more trouble
than it's worth.”
Now having a heart attack because of thestress that's involved in being attacked,
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if you will, by the Men in Blackis one thing, and believing that
the Men in Black are some covert operationfrom your own government is another.
But what do you dowhen your own government
confirmsthey not only played the part of the MIB,
but harassed a manbeyond the point of insanity?
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Before we chargeahead, let's back up for a second.
Most Men in Black encounters areclassified within one of three categories
- the ones that seem like living entities,just not human ones.
The ones that seem likesome kind of bio robot.
And those that are actualhuman beings, sent
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by our own governmentto basically scare the crap out of us.
The story of Paul Bennewitzbelongs to the last,
and I believe, the most sinisterof the three categories.
And the men we're going to talk aboutmay not be the traditional Agent
J and Agent K stylethat we think of from movies, but
I contend that they are still Menin Black, sent out by the government
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to mess with our headsin any way, shape or form possible.
The story I'm talking about is the onesurrounding a man named Paul Bennewitz.
In the 1970s, Paul,an engineer, owns a company
that works as a contractor for KirtlandAir Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
The companies doing well, sowell that Paul actually buys a house
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not far from the base.
Like he can actually see itfrom his second floor deck.
And it's from this second floordeck, around July of 1979,
that Paul startsseeing odd lights in the sky,
moving in waysthat our military aircraft can't move.
They can't be ours.
Then Paul has an idea.
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In additionto being an engineer and a physicist,
he's also an electronics expert.
He sets up some gear in his houseand finds a signal
way out of the normal militarycommunication range.
And it isn't just some wayward signal.
It's a series of data bursts, information.
Now, some would say that above all else,Paul was a patriot.
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So he gets in touch with the powersthat be at Kirtland
to tell them what he's discovered.
Much to his surprise,they don't laugh him out of the room.
Just the opposite.
They fund his researchand give him equipment
to help him with his ideaof trying to decode
the messageslocked inside those data bursts.
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And not only that,they give him an Air Force liaison,
Richard Doty, to help him ferryinformation back and forth.
Richard seeswhat Paul's found and tells him,
“Maybe it is alien.” So Paul
gets to workdeciphering these data bursts,
and it takes a little while,but he's able to refine his program
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until he starts getting messagesthat sort of make sense.
But the overall gist of these messagesis that there are aliens already on Earth
to make way for a full scale invasion
by an alien racethat is on the verge of extinction.
This terrifies Paul,
so he starts doing everything he can,including writing a letter to President
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Reagan to try to get the governmentto do something.
We need to get our ducks in a rowand get ready.
Richard does what he can do to help.
Even sharing inside information with Paulthat might help him in his work.
Paranoia startscreeping into Paul's brain.
He knows there are aliens among us.
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It could be anybody.
He's fairly
sure that he's being monitoredby someone in the house across the street.
The more paranoid he gets, the harderhe tries to warn people.
And he just can't understandwhy his information
seems to be falling on deaf ears.
For years, he continually spirals down
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into a rabbit holeso deep that he can't get out.
His business had to be taken over and runby his associates and his children.
He starts losing weight, nonstop chain
smoking, and doesn't trust anyone,not even his wife.
And the day in August of 1988,when he locks himself in the house
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and covers every doorand window with sandbags, is the day
his family says enoughand checks him into the mental health
unit of the PresbyterianAnna Kaseman Hospital, where he stays
for a month before being releasedinto his family's care.
He lives the next 25 years in quiet,only touching the fringes
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of the UFO communityuntil his death in 2003.
Now. I think everyone can agreethat Paul's story is a very tragic case
of the downfall of an unstable individual.
Except Paul didn't just go crazy.
He was pushed off that mental cliff.
By who?
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Not by who, by what.
Your tax dollars. Okay.
There was a who do United Statesgovernment and specifically Richard Doty.
The entire project was a premeditateddisinformation campaign
designed to make people believethe aliens were about to attack.
The lights that he saw were real.
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The data burst radio signalsthat he discovered were real.
Everything else was fake.
The equipment that Richardsupplied to Paul to help him decode
the data was designed to saywhatever the Air Force wanted it to say.
The insider information fed to Paulby Richard was fake.
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The only other thing that was realwas that
there really were people spying on himfrom across the street.
But not some alien intelligence, U.S.
intelligence.
The NSA actually bought the houseacross the street just so that they could
watch Paul and help him by beamingmisleading signals to his equipment.
So more than one department of the U.S.
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intelligence family was in on this.
Now, this is a storythat goes way wider and deeper than this,
and is connectedto the story of the alien wars
at Dulce Base -something I haven't covered here yet.
drop a comment belowif you'd like me to dive into that one.
But the point hereis that our own government
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went out of its wayto lie to its own citizens.
And in particular, setPaul up in a scenario
that sent him spiraling out of control.
Like I said,this was all over a period of years
so everyone could see the train wreckhappening in slow motion.
But did they stop? No.
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They kept itgoing with not one bit of concern about
what they were purposefully doing to thisman's life.
Personally, I have no earthly idea
how Richard Doty can sleep at nightafter his stint with the Air Force.
Office of Special Investigations.
He left in 1988and became a New Mexico State
Policeman, then eventually retired.
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He now says he's a UFO believer
and still pops up at the occasional UFOconvention or in documentaries,
but he's also a documentedprofessional liar
who lied to Paul Bennewitz for ten
years, watched his mental state declinefrom the stress of it
all, and never lifted one fingerto help him.
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In my humble opinion,there is no coming back from that.
Paul believed someone was after him.
He just couldn't see them.
And whether he thought their originwas human or alien doesn't really matter.
And that's not a whole lot differentfrom the other encounters
where the MIB were only heardon the telephone.
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In all cases, the MIB are, at their core,
bullies trying to manipulate peopleto do their bidding.
John Keel, writer of The MothmanProphecies, stated in his “Open Letter
to All UFO Researchers,”which was published in the November 1967
edition of Saucer Scoopmagazine, his view that the Men in Black
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are the “...intelligence arm of a largeand possibly hostile group,”
and “professional terrorists.”
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Sometimes they stay hidden, and sometimesthey show up on your doorstep.
But on those exceedingly rare occasions
that they actually do get identified,just remember.
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Even when we can see their true faces,
we can never besure of who they really are.
So what's the consensus here?
Aliens, robots or soulless governmentemployees?
To tell you the truth,I'm not sure which kind is the worst.
But if you feel the need to continueto fuel the freak out,
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click here for another round of blacksuits and dark sunglasses.
Be careful out there.
And I will see youhere again on The InBetween.
You see something in the sky.
Something that shattersyour reality and answers
the question, “Arewe alone,”at the same time.
Then you hear a knock at your door.
Do you answer it?
Today's episode of Men in Black Encountersmay have you thinking twice.
I'm Carol Ann.
Welcome to The InBetween.
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Our story starts with a storywithin a story.
And we are going to startfrom the inside out.
On a small farm on the outerfringes of an Oklahoma City suburb
called Midwest City, whose nearestneighbors are two and a half miles away.
It's a dark night in 1964,and a little girl
known only as Mary Ris having a tough night.
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She and her parents are at oddsabout something,
and the fight is bad enoughthat little Mary storms out the back door
in the only form of protestan 11 year old can muster.
Mary's dad says, just let her go.
She'll cool off.
But Mary's mom just feels badabout the entire argument and decides
to follow her outside,
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and see if there's anythingshe can do to soothe any hurt feelings.
But just as she makes it to the back door,
she hears a loud screamcoming from the backyard.
She runs out the door and is hitwith this stench of burning flesh,
but just in time to see a round,glowing object in the sky,
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that she later describesas a flying ashtray,
rising into the skyand flying off into the night.
She looks around and sees Mary lyingon the ground, 20 to 30ft from the house.
She runs to Mary side and asks her, “What
happened?” Mary can't answer.
She is in so much painthat all she can do is whimper and cry.
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Mrs. R picks Mary upand rushes her back into the farmhouse.
They call the policeand tell them send an ambulance.
And as if a UFO attacking herdaughter isn't weird enough.
Here's where things veer offinto Conspiracy Central.
The family calls their local police,which most likely would have been
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the Midwest City Police Department,
but the responding officers are fromOklahoma City.
Who called them?
And the ambulance that pulls up tothe house is from a private company
that never takes calls outsideof Midwest City, but they did that night.
And remember,this is way before 911 is available.
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So it's not like departmentsare working together like they are now.
Mary is taken to Midwest City Hospital,but then transferred within
just a couple of hours to a hospitalon Tinker Air Force Base right next door.
Even though no one in the R familyis in the Air Force,
which is required for admittanceto that hospital.
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Two days later, three separate people
witness all of the R family's stuffbeing loaded onto two large “Air
Force blue” trucks,And the family is never seen again.
Enter the International Dateline
reporter for Saucer Scoopmagazine named Robert A.,
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better known as Bob, Stiff,who gets wind of the case.
This isn't an international case, butit's right in his Oklahoma City backyard.
Bob starts his investigation,but gets nowhere fast, for several months.
Then he manages to gain a contact
within the Air Force with access.
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The contact looks into the matterand tells Bob, “I didn't tell you this,
but it looks like the whole familyand all of their stuff
was flown to Washington, D.C..”So he keeps digging.
By now, we're talking three yearsafter the initial incident at the farm.
Bob manages to find a nurse at Midwest
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City Hospitalthat remembers Mary coming in that night.
The incident is stuck in her headbecause to her, was pretty odd.
She tells Bob that Mary came in with burnsall over her
body, like 75% of her body.
The nurse says that's not unusualin and of itself.
They handle burn cases all the time.
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What made it stick in her brainis that Mary was burned all over,
but there were no singe markson any of her clothing.
Bob keeps diggingand keeps pushing buttons,
and by June of 1967, finally managesto convince an Oklahoma U.S.
Senator, Mike Monroney, to help him
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get the Air Forceto release their records.
Tinker Air Force Basehas admitted that they have a file,
but won't release itwithout approval from the Pentagon.
Now, that in and of itselfis pretty significant at this point
because Project Blue Book is still active,which was just basically 22 years
of the Air Force telling people everywherearound the country that
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they didn't see a UFO.
There's no such thing as UFOs.
Swamp gas from a weatherballoon was trapped in a thermal pocket
and refracted the light from Venus.
Wait, So for them to admit they even havea file, it's a pretty big accomplishment.
But we need to stop right thereand move up a layer in our story.
Because at this point, June of 67,
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Bob has a story of his own unfolding.
This layer of the story actually startsback on February 7th of 67, as
Bob is doing his best to follow his listof leads on Mary's case.
The phone rings,which begins a series of 13
phone callsfrom the same condescending voice.
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All but two of them coming at exactly7 p.m.
each time,spanning the better part of 1967.
The first call was justa little friendly advice.
I would suggestyou drop your investigations
into certain so-called UFO reports.
Who is this?
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That doesn't matter.
But do as I say for your own good.
Second call February 23rd.
Mr. stiff, Yes.
Just a moment, please.
This is Mr. Steve.
you haven't heeded my advice, Mr.
Stiff.
The information you've gatheredconcerning certain
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UFO reports is now useless to you.
I would suggest you delveinto other subjects
and leave the UFO reports alone.
Third call.
April 7th.
Mr. stiff, Before you start,I think I should tell you
that this type of nonsensedoesn't bother me in the least.
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If you got enjoyment from this,you're sick.
I'm far from sick, Mr.
Stiff,and I don't enjoy having to do this.
But we don't feel it in our interest.
As have you. Continue.
If you do,we have many means of stopping you.
Such as Martian death rays.
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Or do you base your calls on Flash Gordon?
I don't feel it possible that you actuallythink I believe all this stuff.
If you don't now, you soon will.
I don't know of Mr.
Gordon, but I can assure youwe have methods other than death rays.
As you call them.
Fourth call.
April 28th.
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Mr. stiff, Speaking.
stop now, or I must do it for you,
Now, keep in mind that at this point, Bobhadn't actually published
anything about this caseuntil the May edition of Saucer Scoop.
So at the very least, the first four phonecalls come from someone who shouldn't
even know he'sworking on this, or any case.
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So how did they know?
Fifth call.
May 5th.
Mr. Stiff.
What now?
Did you find what I saidabout the uselessness
of certain UFO informationsheets to be true?
Yes. Just some degree.
I'm sure it's more uselessthan you care to admit.
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very busy, so please stop
calling meor I'm going to have these calls traced.
That cannot be done.
What? Can't be done?
Stopping the calls or having them traced.
Both.
I shall continue to urge youto stop your hopeless investigations.
And the latter threatof having these communications traced
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cannot be accomplished.
Sixth call.
May 12th.
Mr. stiff, Speaking.
the informationconcerning the burn case you've gathered
will be of no help to you now.
How much proofdo you require before you believe?
This is no game.
I want to tell you something.
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Whoever you At least you didn't say.
Whatever you are, I'm not frightenedby this nonsense you continue to pursue.
If you were what you pretend to be,I feel you would have
other means of communicationother than a telephone. Mr.
Stiff, you assume too much.
Have I ever said who I am or pretendedto be other than a voice of advice?
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insinuate who you are, and I'm inno mood to believe it for one minute.
Regardless of your mood.
I'm here, Seventh call.
May 26th.
Mr. Stiff.
What new advice do we have tonight?
Your sense of humor may not last long, Mr.
Stiff.How was your mail coming these days?
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What do you mean, Is itnot falling off a big. no?
I feel you are not being honest, Mr.
Stiff.
Your correspondencefrom your representatives in other nations
has been less of late. Correct?
I hope you know that's a federal offense.
Tampering with the mails.
I thought you said it hadn't changedWhat is the purpose behind the charade?
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You must know.
I don't believe it.
again, Mr. Stiff.
I fear you are not being honest.
In what way?
You are believing more and more.
I believe you are mistaken.
Not me. Have it your way, Mr. Stiff.
But we both know
This brings
us to June, whichis when Bob got the senator Mike Monroney
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on board to help him get the Air Forcefiles released.
Eigth call June 9th. Yes.
you're planning a publication.
I understand, That's right.
don't
Ninth call June 23rd.
Mr. Stiff.
Speaking.
Do you still want more proof?
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What do you mean?
How is your publication developing?
Fine.
Come now.
Isn't that an overstatement?
I said it was fine.
I just haven't had the time latelyto work on it.
I understandyou've had trouble with your print.
And in obtaining certain mailing permits.
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Your information is incorrect.
I don't think so.
Also in the month of June,Bob was slated to be a guest on a local TV
special on UFOs, where he was goingto talk about the case of Mary R.
Before the scheduled air date,he gets a call from the director
who tells him,if you talk about the case of the girl,
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the producers are going to cancelthe show.
What? That makes no sense.
The director says, I don't understand
it either, but that's the word coming downfrom the station manager.
Bob still does the show,but he doesn't talk about Mary.
It's about this same timethat Senator Monroney ghosts him.
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No more muscle to helpget the Air Force to release their files.
And the one guy at Tinker Air Force Basethat Bob had been talking to
about the file also left him high and dry.
Every time he called the base,
the guy wouldn't take his callsor they would say he wasn't there.
Once, when they told him that his contactwas out, Bob hung up and called
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right back asking for the same guyusing a different voice,
and he was magically connectedright to him.
Once Bob tells the guy, “Hey, it's Bob,”the guy just hangs up on him.
So I guess they're not going to bereleasing any files any time soon.
10th call June 30th.
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Mr. Stiff.
me one favor before you start.
Tell me who you are and who it isyou're supposed to represent.
There'd be no way for me to prove this.
If you did tell me.
And perhapsI might believe some of what you say.
Does it really matter who I amor who I represent?
Yes, it does.
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Let's just say that I am a voiceand representative
that do not wish you to continuein your present pursuits.
That tells me nothing.
Perhaps more than you realize.
Maybe so.
But why me?
Assuming that you are who you say you are.
I never said who I was.
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All right.
Assume that you are who you seem to be.
The assumptions are entirely your own, Mr.
Stiff. Possibly.
But anyway, why me?
And why this silly method?
I think you've found thismethod to be as effective as any.
Haven't you?
You've dropped certain investigationsbecause you could gather
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no more information.
And you are not going to publisha magazine now, correct?
But not because of you. Really?
You've still not answered me.
You are delving now where you shouldn't.
For example, I am not a fool, Mr.
Stiff.
I know you're speaking of the caseconcerning the little girl
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and the Tulsa photograph. Again.
These are your assumptions.
Possibly.
But just what do you want me to do?
Don't continuein your present investigations.
And if I do, which I will.
You will be stopped.
Heading into
July, Bob is laid up for a bit,but receives this lovely
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letter in the mail from his bossat Sausage Scoop, Joan Ritenour.
“Bob, just a short note to inform you
that your services are no longer requiredwith Saucer Scoop.
You are no longer a director, andyour articles are not needed any longer.
Please do not write anymorebecause I will not answer.”
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That might be a bit distressingfor most people, but not for Bob.
He knew Joan well and knew
this is not what Joan would doif she were going to fire him.
She'd be on the phonegiving him a piece of her mind personally.
A quick phone call to Joan confirms it.
The letter’s a fake.
11th call. July 12th.
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Mr. stiff, Speaking.
you were wise to do as I asked.
What do you mean?
Dropping certain investigations.
I haven't dropped them.
I've just started others more recentuntil I can get more information
on the previous ones.
There will be no more informationto be had.
Mr. stiff.
12th call.
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August 1st.
Mr. stiff. Speaking.
It was not wise to transmitthe knowledge of these calls to others.
What do you mean?
When will you realizeyou're not dealing with fools?
We have stabbed you many timesand you know it now.
You've told others of our talks.
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They don't believe themany more than I do.
You believe itmore than you care to admit.
You seem to think you know a lot moreabout what I believe than I do.
Then.
You have a saying.
Actions speak louder than words.
On August 4th,
Bob gets a letter postmarkedAugust 3rd from Oklahoma City.
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“Mr. Stiff,I know what has been happening to you.
Please believe me. You cannot beat them.
Do as they say for your own good.
Signed, A Friend.”
13th call.
August 18th.
Mr. stiff, Just a moment, please.
I'll see if he's in.
he is.
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Hello?
Your comparison theory is interesting.
Mr. stiff. But do you find out about that?
You see, we do have means.
Well, several people know about it.
Only three people know about your work.
That's right. Those three in you.
You must think that one overWhat did you want?
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to tell you that we are not pleasedwith the research you have been doing.
Such as?
I have no time for games, Mr. Stiff.
Just know we shall always be informed
about what you are doingand that you cannot win.
That is the
last time Bob hearsfrom his anonymous caller.
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The only other moment of cloak and dagger
is a noteleft in his mailbox on September 2nd.
No stamp, no postmark.
“Mr. Stiff, Stop now or they will act.
Please believe me.
They will do it.
Signed, A Friend.”
Bob never stopped his investigationinto Mary's encounter.
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But he justdidn't have much to work with anymore.
Between being ghosted by Senator Moroney(a two time attender of the Bilderberg
meetings in 1959 and 1961),and his contact at Tinker Air Force Base
and the witnesses all suddenly singing
the same tune of, “Moving Vans?
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We didn't see any moving vans,” therejust wasn't anywhere else for him to go.
But he continued to write for Saucer Scoopmagazine for a couple more years,
while at the same time serving as Directorof the International UFO Bureau.
But Bob's is far from the only case of out
of control harassmentfrom these mysterious callers.
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Take the case of Danny Gordon,a radio journalist for WYVE
in Wytheville, Virginia.
His case starts in early October of 1987.
He's calling around to find contentfor his news radio program,
when the sheriff's departmenttells him with a chuckle, “Hey,
we got a great story for you.”The night before, four police officers,
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three of them deputies and one of themformer
military, called in a report of a UFO.
Dannythinks, “Perfect,” and finishes his show
with it as kind of a lighthearted wayto end a heavy news program.
But something happens that he doesn'texpect.
Tons of people call the station to reportthat they've seen things in the sky, too,
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totally jamming the station's switchboard.
So Danny kind of seizes the moment,
and a week later, on October 19th,set up a special call-in program
specifically to talk about local UFOsightings.
The station's switchboard is floodedwith calls describing egg shaped objects,
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flashing red, green and white lightsand other things in the sky
that do not even come closeto resembling a plane.
Now, all of this is interesting,
but Danny's ano nonsense kind of reporter.
There has to be an explanation.
Maybe it's some kind
of experimental aircraftbeing tested from Langley Air Force Base.
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It's the other side of the state,but you never know.
So he and others call Langley,who tell everyone
that they must be seeing planesrefueling midair.
Seriously?
So Danny calls the Pentagonand talks to an Air Force
general who tells him planesdon't refuel under 13,000ft.
If you guys are seeing things under that13,000ft mark, that ain't us.
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Just two days later, on October 21st,
Danny and his friend Roger Hall, a formercommercial airline pilot,
decided to do some boots on the groundinvestigating and drive south
to a sighting hotspot, armedwith a still camera and a video camera.
After two hours of driving around,watching the skies,
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and seeing nothing,they decided to head home.
And of course, that's when they see it.
As they're driving on Route 21 southinto Wytheville,
they spot a large domeshaped wingless craft
roughly two football fields in diameter
and up about 1000ft,with multicolored strobe lights,
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lit windows, and a red glowing balldocking with it.
Then it just drifts off into the night.
The two look at each other.
Did you get any pictures?
No. Did you? No.
So the two go out again the next nightand they see more things in the sky.
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But this time they're not as awestruckand manage to take pictures.
With the filmnot even out of the camera yet,
Danny calls a press conferencefor the following day, October 23rd.
I'm not sure why, except maybe
so he can tell the worldthat he's no longer a skeptic.
He has seen the light, literally.
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The photos he capturesare nothing to write home about.
Just some grainy streaks of light.
Remember, it's only 1987.
But evidently they're good enoughto capture someone's attention.
Because that same night,Danny gets a phone call,
an anonymous caller warnsDanny that the CIA and federal government
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are interested in Wythe County UFOs,and that he'd better back off.
But Danny goes aheadwith the press conference,
and when he gets home, he sees thatsomeone has broken into his house.
They didn’t take anything,
but to Danny, it seems likesomeone was looking for something.
Fast forwardanother six weeks to December of 1987.
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Danny, his wife and daughter, plus around
200 others, including an entire schoolbus full of kids,
see four silent aircraft in formationover a shopping mall.
Danny gets pictures of these too,capturing four shape changing objects
that go from teardrops to balls
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to discs to eggs in four images.
By this point, much to his wife's chagrin,
Danny is all in, and by January of 1988
manages to collect over 1,500
UFO reports just within, Wythe County.
That's when he gets another call,
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this time from a retired militaryintelligence officer.
The caller urges Danny to record the call,so in the future,
he can say, “I warned you.”So Danny records the call.
The caller warns Danny to be carefulor the powers
that be will go after his family.
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The caller says that his own son
had died of leukemiabecause of the caller's own actions.
He tells Danny that they can target himwith skin contact chemicals
on his car door or his steering wheel,or go after his kids.
Less than one month later, so February of88, Danny gets a visit at his house
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from two men posing as journalistswho'd like an interview.
Danny says, “Sure,” and invites them in.
They interview him for about 45 minutes,with one guy
sitting with Danny asking questionsand the other guy
wandering around the housetaking pictures.
When they're done, they said,“We'll let you know
when the article's coming out,”but I never did.
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After a while,
Danny calls the paper to find outwhen the article is being published,
only to find out that the newspaperhas never even heard of these guys.
Not long after that, Danny figures outthat the negatives
to the shopping mall pictures are gone.
By April,Danny's wife takes the kids and moves out.
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All the cloak and daggerintrigue is just too much.
And two months later, in June, Danny
suffers a stress induced heart attack.
If you ask Danny now, he'll say,
“Don't look up.” “Seeing,one of these things is much more trouble
than it's worth.”
Now having a heart attack because of thestress that's involved in being attacked,
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if you will, by the Men in Blackis one thing, and believing that
the Men in Black are some covert operationfrom your own government is another.
But what do you dowhen your own government
confirmsthey not only played the part of the MIB,
but harassed a manbeyond the point of insanity?
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Before we chargeahead, let's back up for a second.
Most Men in Black encounters areclassified within one of three categories
- the ones that seem like living entities,just not human ones.
The ones that seem likesome kind of bio robot.
And those that are actualhuman beings, sent
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by our own governmentto basically scare the crap out of us.
The story of Paul Bennewitzbelongs to the last,
and I believe, the most sinisterof the three categories.
And the men we're going to talk aboutmay not be the traditional Agent
J and Agent K stylethat we think of from movies, but
I contend that they are still Menin Black, sent out by the government
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to mess with our headsin any way, shape or form possible.
The story I'm talking about is the onesurrounding a man named Paul Bennewitz.
In the 1970s, Paul,an engineer, owns a company
that works as a contractor for KirtlandAir Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
The companies doing well, sowell that Paul actually buys a house
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not far from the base.
Like he can actually see itfrom his second floor deck.
And it's from this second floordeck, around July of 1979,
that Paul startsseeing odd lights in the sky,
moving in waysthat our military aircraft can't move.
They can't be ours.
Then Paul has an idea.
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In additionto being an engineer and a physicist,
he's also an electronics expert.
He sets up some gear in his houseand finds a signal
way out of the normal militarycommunication range.
And it isn't just some wayward signal.
It's a series of data bursts, information.
Now, some would say that above all else,Paul was a patriot.
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So he gets in touch with the powersthat be at Kirtland
to tell them what he's discovered.
Much to his surprise,they don't laugh him out of the room.
Just the opposite.
They fund his researchand give him equipment
to help him with his ideaof trying to decode
the messageslocked inside those data bursts.
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And not only that,they give him an Air Force liaison,
Richard Doty, to help him ferryinformation back and forth.
Richard seeswhat Paul's found and tells him,
“Maybe it is alien.” So Paul
gets to workdeciphering these data bursts,
and it takes a little while,but he's able to refine his program
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until he starts getting messagesthat sort of make sense.
But the overall gist of these messagesis that there are aliens already on Earth
to make way for a full scale invasion
by an alien racethat is on the verge of extinction.
This terrifies Paul,
so he starts doing everything he can,including writing a letter to President
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Reagan to try to get the governmentto do something.
We need to get our ducks in a rowand get ready.
Richard does what he can do to help.
Even sharing inside information with Paulthat might help him in his work.
Paranoia startscreeping into Paul's brain.
He knows there are aliens among us.
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It could be anybody.
He's fairly
sure that he's being monitoredby someone in the house across the street.
The more paranoid he gets, the harderhe tries to warn people.
And he just can't understandwhy his information
seems to be falling on deaf ears.
For years, he continually spirals down
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into a rabbit holeso deep that he can't get out.
His business had to be taken over and runby his associates and his children.
He starts losing weight, nonstop chain
smoking, and doesn't trust anyone,not even his wife.
And the day in August of 1988,when he locks himself in the house
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and covers every doorand window with sandbags, is the day
his family says enoughand checks him into the mental health
unit of the PresbyterianAnna Kaseman Hospital, where he stays
for a month before being releasedinto his family's care.
He lives the next 25 years in quiet,only touching the fringes
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of the UFO communityuntil his death in 2003.
Now. I think everyone can agreethat Paul's story is a very tragic case
of the downfall of an unstable individual.
Except Paul didn't just go crazy.
He was pushed off that mental cliff.
By who?
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Not by who, by what.
Your tax dollars. Okay.
There was a who do United Statesgovernment and specifically Richard Doty.
The entire project was a premeditateddisinformation campaign
designed to make people believethe aliens were about to attack.
The lights that he saw were real.
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The data burst radio signalsthat he discovered were real.
Everything else was fake.
The equipment that Richardsupplied to Paul to help him decode
the data was designed to saywhatever the Air Force wanted it to say.
The insider information fed to Paulby Richard was fake.
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The only other thing that was realwas that
there really were people spying on himfrom across the street.
But not some alien intelligence, U.S.
intelligence.
The NSA actually bought the houseacross the street just so that they could
watch Paul and help him by beamingmisleading signals to his equipment.
So more than one department of the U.S.
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intelligence family was in on this.
Now, this is a storythat goes way wider and deeper than this,
and is connectedto the story of the alien wars
at Dulce Base -something I haven't covered here yet.
drop a comment belowif you'd like me to dive into that one.
But the point hereis that our own government
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went out of its wayto lie to its own citizens.
And in particular, setPaul up in a scenario
that sent him spiraling out of control.
Like I said,this was all over a period of years
so everyone could see the train wreckhappening in slow motion.
But did they stop? No.
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They kept itgoing with not one bit of concern about
what they were purposefully doing to thisman's life.
Personally, I have no earthly idea
how Richard Doty can sleep at nightafter his stint with the Air Force.
Office of Special Investigations.
He left in 1988and became a New Mexico State
Policeman, then eventually retired.
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He now says he's a UFO believer
and still pops up at the occasional UFOconvention or in documentaries,
but he's also a documentedprofessional liar
who lied to Paul Bennewitz for ten
years, watched his mental state declinefrom the stress of it
all, and never lifted one fingerto help him.
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In my humble opinion,there is no coming back from that.
Paul believed someone was after him.
He just couldn't see them.
And whether he thought their originwas human or alien doesn't really matter.
And that's not a whole lot differentfrom the other encounters
where the MIB were only heardon the telephone.
(33:25):
In all cases, the MIB are, at their core,
bullies trying to manipulate peopleto do their bidding.
John Keel, writer of The MothmanProphecies, stated in his “Open Letter
to All UFO Researchers,”which was published in the November 1967
edition of Saucer Scoopmagazine, his view that the Men in Black
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are the “...intelligence arm of a largeand possibly hostile group,”
and “professional terrorists.”
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Sometimes they stay hidden, and sometimesthey show up on your doorstep.
But on those exceedingly rare occasions
that they actually do get identified,just remember.
(34:12):
Even when we can see their true faces,
we can never besure of who they really are.
So what's the consensus here?
Aliens, robots or soulless governmentemployees?
To tell you the truth,I'm not sure which kind is the worst.
But if you feel the need to continueto fuel the freak out,
(34:36):
click here for another round of blacksuits and dark sunglasses.
Be careful out there.
And I will see youhere again on The InBetween.
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