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Strange mysteries, unexplained phenomena.
And the shadows in between.
This is The InBetween Official Podcastwith your host,
Carol Ann!
The past isn't dead.
It isn't even the past.
In fact, sometimes it bleedsright through into our present.
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A bookstore becomes a clothing shopfrom the 1950s.
A hotel materializes from the 1870s.
A boatcaptain tries to murder a college student
70 years after his execution.
I'm Carol Ann,and welcome to The InBetween.
don't.
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There's
only one thing in the worldthat is constant.
Change.
Summer rolling into fall.
Rivers carving valleys.
Your little baby growing into a man.
How do we measure these changes?
Time.
A soldier marching on in perfect step.
Whether you're counting every secondfrom a prison cell
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or losing track of yearsalongside the love of your life.
But what if that's not reallyhow it works?
What if time's not a fluid reality,but more like an infinite film reel?
Each frame, a frozen moment,an endless succession of moments
going by so quickly it gives the illusionof a graceful existence.
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All moments, every frame.
Past,present and future. Already existing.
We just can't see them.
Except sometimes we can.
Momentswhere the universe projector glitches
and more than one momentis showing at the same time.
When we walk from our suburban drivewayin 2025
into a cornfieldthat existed on that same spot in 1950.
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Some people call these moments of doublereality a time slip.
Obviously, I have no way of knowing
if the theory I just laid outis how these temporal shifts occur.
But we do know they occur.
One of the most famous accountsof these time
glitches happened in the summer of 1901.
Charlotte Anne Moberly and EleanorJourdain, two highly educated, lifelong
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English academics, traveled to Franceto visit the Palace of Versailles.
On the warm afternoon of August 10th,they set out specifically to go see the
Petit Trianon,which is kind of like a private she-shed
for the queen's,once used by Marie Antoinette.
It's a decent distancefrom the main palace,
so the two women set out expectingnothing more than a pleasant walk.
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As they stroll through the gardens,the path gets confusing.
They're on the right path,but they end up wandering in circles
as this oppressivefeeling creeps over them.
The landscape around them shifts.
The trees and plants are totally still.
Sunlight dims and the usualsounds of birds and leaves goes quiet.
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They see people dressed in outdatedclothing.
A man in a tricorn hatwho looks not like he's staring at them,
but staring right through themlike they're not even there.
They keep walking.
They see a woman in an 18th centurypale green dress sketching on the grass,
who gives them a quick nodbut goes right back to her work.
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Okay, that's better than getting blown off
like the last guy,but everything just feels off.
It's like everything is real,but it's not reality.
They spot a small building aheadwhere a man in
an old uniform gesturestoward the entrance.
The two women hesitate, sensingsomething is deeply wrong,
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as every detail,from the clothing to the stillness
feels inexplicably out of place.
Suddenly, the strange atmosphere lifts.
Sunlight brightens. Modern noises return.
And the gardens fillwith 20th century tourists,
while the odd figures vanish.
Shocked by the abrupt change.
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Charlotte and Eleanor do a sanity check,
but the experience feels too realto dismiss.
That evening they compare notes
and decide this really happened.
So they start digging into the pastat Versailles.
The clothing was from the late18th century.
The sketching woman resemblesMarie Antoinette,
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known to hang out at the Petit Trianonwith her sketchpad.
And the building they saw existed backthen, but not in 1901.
Convinced of a time slip,they publish a book in 1911 called “An
Adventure,” detailing their encounterand historical findings,
sparking widespread debateamong historians, skeptics,
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and paranormal enthusiaststhat continues to this day.
Okay, so no good episode on timeslips can be done without mentioning Bold
Street.
This 1500 foot or 460 meter
long road is like ground zero for timeslips.
Fun fact.
Bold Street is what it isbecause back in the 18th century,
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Liverpool,a bustling port city, needed rope.
More specifically, ropes for ships.
So rope makers would mark outa long pathway called a rope walk,
where they could lay out the long strandsof material needed to make the ropes,
which needed to be at least 1000ftor 300m long.
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Over time,that rope walk was built up on either
side, with buildingsthat eventually became Bold Street.
At one end is Saint Luke's Church,
a landmark now known as the Bombed OutChurch, which has a bit of its own
haunted history,but we'll leave that for another episode.
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Probably the most famous timeslip experience
happened on Bold Street in July of 1996.
Frank, a no nonsense, off dutypolice officer, is walking toward Bold
Street to meet his wife at Waterstone'sbookstore as he steps onto Bold Street.
The modern bustle fades,giving way to a quieter scene.
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He sees the people around him wearingclothes from what looked like the 50s
- men in suits and hats, women in dresses,
and old vintage cars line the road.
Quietly freaking out on the inside, Frank
takes in as many detailsof the environment as he can.
Everything feels real, not staged,
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with a vividnessthat is totally unsettling.
As he tries to absorb it,he notices that Waterstone's bookstore
is no longerthere, replaced by Cripps, a store
with 1950s style stuffin the front window.
Frank then spots a young woman in modern
1990s clothes looking really confused,
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standing in front of the bookstore,now clothing store.
She hesitates,but then starts walking into Cripps.
So Frank follows her.
As soon as she crosses the threshold,the scene instantly shifts back.
Waterstone’s reappears.
Modern sounds and sights flood inand the street returns to 1996,
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leavingFrank shocked by the sudden change.
He meets his wife inside, who has no ideaof what just happened to Frank.
Curious, Frank researches and discoversCripps is a real 1950s
Liverpool storewhere Waterstone’s now stands.
Something he didn't know before.
And Frank is not the only one,not even close.
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He's not even the only one
to have an experiencein front of Waterstone’s bookstore.
I guess that must be the place to go.
Carole is one of many other such people.
One beautiful sunny day,Carole is sitting outside to eat her lunch
just outside Waterstone’s bookshop.
She feels the sunshine dimming, and hears
the usually busy street becoming quieter.
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She looks up to see what's going on,just as a man in a 1950s style suit
sits down on the other end of herbench and starts up a conversation.
Carole, not ungratefulfor the brief company, plays along.
However,she's pretty much done with her lunch.
So she gets up and turns towardthe garbage can to throw away her trash.
When she turns back, like literally less
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than five seconds later, the man is gone.
Stunned that this guy could get upand leave so fast,
Carole looks aroundbut doesn't see him anywhere.
At the same time, the sunshine comes back
and the usual crowds of people reappear.
Steve, a local Liverpoolguy who's familiar with Bold Street
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because he used to work there,walks down the street to meet his partner
at a bank on Hanover Streetright at the end of Bold Street.
When he notices a store with a new frontwindow display and thinks,
interesting.
That place has been empty for years.
Good on them, I guess.
And keeps walking.
Then he seesthe model shop has shifted back
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to its original spotfrom over a decade ago.
Now that's really odd.
He starts looking around and sees
cars on the street look new,but from a couple of decades ago.
And people's clothing and hairstyles arealso about 10 to 15 years out of fashion.
The street feels oddly quiet,and when he can hear sounds muffled.
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He finally makes it to the bank,meets his partner,
and they go in the bankwhere everything seems normal.
They do their business and walk back outand back onto Bold Street.
Everything's normal again.
The model shop is back to whereSteve last saw it,
and the store with the new displayis empty again.
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Do you want my head to explode?
Jane, a university student in Liverpoolin the mid 2000, walks down
Bold Street one blustery, overcastSeptember afternoon around 3 p.m.
to meet a friend at Central Stationfor drinks and dinner.
As she's walking,
she calls her friend on her phone to say,hey, I'm almost there.
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And the two keep chatting until halfwaydown the street, the call drops.
Looking up, she finds herself
in the middle of the perfect movie set.
Horses and carriages roll by.
Mud and straw all over the road.
And people wearing elaborate gownsand suits with tails and hats.
Real burning oil lamps line the street.
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The scene buzzeswith a calm, vibrant energy, as an elderly
man sweeping outside a shop shoosJane off to the side.
Jane, more than a little startled,is thinking, Holy crap!
They gotta be shooting a movie,and I just walked into their shot.
After about a minute of looking around,trying to get an idea of what is happening
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and how she can get around it soshe can get to where she's supposed to be,
she glances back down at her phoneto redial her friend.
And when she looks up,everything goes back to normal.
The horses, costumes, and lamps vanish.
Jane,although slightly dizzy and very confused,
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keeps walking and meets up with her friendabout five minutes later and tells her
what happened.
Her friendhad actually tried to dial Jane back
when their call initially dropped,but her call wouldn't go through.
Only later, after doing some digging, doesJane find out
that she isn't the only one to experienceweirdness on Bold Street.
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Sean, who in 2006 is 19
and quickly traveling down a waywardpath in life.
He's just helped himself to somenot so free merchandise
and finds himself running downHanover Street, which is a street
at the end of Bold Street, awayfrom a security guard who's chasing him.
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Trying to shake him, Sean turns intoa dead end street called Brook's Alley.
By this time, he's done.
He’s totally out of breath and startsto get a tight sensation in his chest.
As he just stands there, gulping in air
and waiting for the security guardto round the corner any second,
he realizes that his shortness of breathisn't a problem with him,
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but with the atmosphere around him.
He waits for a few more seconds.
No guard.
Thinking he's given him the slip,he walks back out of the alley
and takes a left onto HanoverStreet, heading right towards Bold Street,
but soon realizes something's wrong.
The road looks different.
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He sees cars driving by thatlook very old fashioned,
and people around himare wearing really odd clothes.
Crossing over to Bold Street.
He notices that there are traffic lightswhere there weren't before, and bushes
growing around the building on the corner
called the Lyceumthat also weren't there before.
He keeps walking up Bold Streetas the feeling
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that something is not quite rightgets stronger and stronger.
He starts to panic.
He realizes that somehowhe has stepped back in time
and has no idea how to get back out.
Then he remembers his cell phone,
takes it out of his pocket, but no signal.
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Now he really starts to panic.
Standing there trying to come upwith some kind of impromptu flowchart
in his head of what to dowhen you've slipped off your own timeline.
He spots a kiosk selling newspapers.
He runs over and takes a lookat the front page of the Daily Post.
There, in bold lettering, is the date
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May 18th, 1967.
Holy crap.
He has no idea what to do.
What happensif he can't get back to his own time?
He keeps walking up Bold Street, anotherblock or so until he reaches the H.
Samuel jewelry storeand decides to try his phone again.
This time it works!
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With an “Oh thank God”
sigh of relief, he looks aroundand realizes everything's back to normal.
However, when he looks backdown the street from where
he just came from, he can still see downat the end of the road,
people still walking around in 1967.
By this time, Sean has seen enough
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and dives onto a bus to go home.
Somehow the media gets one of the storyand he gets multiple calls for interviews,
and not once does his story change.
But the strange tale doesn't end there.
Sean must have told the truth,the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,
because he even told the reporterswhy he was running in the first place.
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Gutsy move.
So the reporters tracked down the securityguard to interview him as well.
According to the guard,he saw Sean turn down that dead end alley.
But when he turned the corner, he saidthat Sean had completely disappeared.
One of the hardest thingsabout these experiences
is that by their very nature,we don't have a lot of choice
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but to rely on the testimony of the personwho experienced the slip.
But what if it happened to multiple peopleat the same time?
In September of 1979, two
British couples, Jeff and Pauline Simpson,along with their friends
Len and Cynthia, embark on a road tripthrough France, heading toward Spain.
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As evening approaches,they decide to find a place
to stop for the nightand follow a sign to a small village
where they discover an old fashionedhotel called “Hotel de l’Auberge.”
They park the car, pile out,stretch their legs, and head inside.
Once inside, the couples immediatelynotice a few things that are,
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let's just say, peculiar.
The heavy wooden furniturelooks like it's about 200 years old,
and the whole place is lit with lanternsinstead of light bulbs.
The staff are in outdated uniformswith high collared shirts
and aprons, speaking in a formal, oldfashioned manner.
Their rooms continue this old timey
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wimey theme, with candlelit hallways,
creaking wooden floorsand beds with heavy wooden frames.
Modern conveniences are entirely absent.
No phones, no TVs.
Not even electric lights.
No phone, no lights.
Not a single luxury Just oil lamps.
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The bathrooms have antique fixtureswith no sign of modern plumbing.
Despite the unusual natureof their lodgings,
the couples have a really good time.
They have dinner in the hotel restaurantwhere food is served on heavy
ceramic plates, with what appearsto be hand forged silverware.
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They see that other guests are dressedin period clothing, men in trousers
with suspenders, and women in long skirtswith high collared blouses.
Yet no one seems surprisedby the four modern people in the room.
After a good night's sleep.
They enjoy breakfast before they leave.
They go to settle the billand are shocked at how small it is.
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They thank the staffand continue their road trip to Spain,
with a planto stop at the same hotel on the way back.
Several days later, as they drive backthrough the same village,
they discover something impossible.
The hotel is completely gone.
Where it once stood is now an empty,overgrown patch of land.
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Confused,they start asking anyone around, “Hey,
what happened to the hotel?”But no one's heard of it.
One old man who's lived there his entirelife said there was never a hotel there.
Well, that can't be right.
So they start digging into the historyrecords of the village.
And wouldn't you know it.
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A small inn matching the descriptionof where they stayed
had been there, but had been destroyedin a fire over a hundred years ago.
But nothing had ever been builtin its place.
Despite their continuingsearch for answers.
The couples never find an explanationfor their night
spent in a placethat should not have been there.
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They hadn't just glimpseda vision of the past.
They had physically enteredthe hotel, interacted with staff
and guests, eaten mealsand spent an entire night
in a place that hadn't existedfor over 100 years.
Of course, the biggest question in all ofthis is what is a time slip?
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What exactly is going on here?
Well, obviously we don't know.
If we did, there wouldn'tbe a need for videos like this one.
Some people think certain locationscan hold imprints of history
that allow people to briefly stepinto a version of the world
that no longer exists.
Or maybe it's a portal at a thin spotbetween two different dimensions.
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Maybe a wormhole.
Most scientists would sayit's all in your head.
Not just psychologically, but physically.
Human perception of timeis notoriously flexible.
Think how fast a boring day drags
versus a thrilling hour flying by.
Explanations like temporal lobeglitches, vivid imagination,
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or even mild dissociationcould account for time slips.
For instance, epilepsy or just plain
epic levels of stress can triggerhyper realistic hallucinations,
blending memory or cultural imagery,like an old movie,
into something that looksand feels like another place and time.
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Sleep paralysis and hypnagogic states,
those liminal moments between wakefulnessand sleep,
can also conjure bizarre, timebending experiences.
Add a dash of confirmationbias or folklore,
and a foggy streetmight feel like 1800s London.
And while those explanations might accountfor some of these experiences,
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it does not cover all of them.
It doesn't account for four peopleall experiencing the same overnight
experience in a hotelthat hasn't existed for over 100 years.
It does not account for witnessesverifying the story
by attesting to the factthat the witness disappeared.
Or witnesses being ableto describe details about their encounter
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that were outside of their knowledgeat the time.
In any case, I think it's fair to saythat we are not going to be able
to come to any grand conclusionson this one at this moment.
So instead, I'm going to leave youwith the creepiest
of all time slip encounters.
Sometime before World War II, near HelvickHead in Ireland,
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undergraduate student ArthurFrewer spends Easter at some barracks
and decides on this particularevening to sleep outside.
Not long after he falls asleep,he wakes up
due to feelingcold as a mist surrounds him.
Even though it's totally black around him,Arthur
decides it's a good idea to wander aroundand try to find some shelter.
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Why do I get the feelingthat there may have been
some intoxicating substancesingested earlier in the evening?
In the distance, he sees the light of whathe thinks is a cottage.
He makes his way to the light.
And as it gets closer,
he discovers that the light is comingfrom the open hatch of a boat.
Arthur looks down the hatchand sees an older
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man mending a fishing netacross the table.
The man sees Arthur and says, come on in.
He gives Arthura bowl of soup and tells Arthur that he's
welcome to spend the night in the cabinat the end of the boat.
The man takes Arthur to the cabin,
make sure he has everything that he needs,and says good night.
Arthur makes himselfa little more comfortable to go to sleep,
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and remembershe has his sister's red school scarf on,
so he unwraps it from his neckand hangs it on the cabin door knob.
Through the door.
He hears the man walkingback up the passageway.
Feeling like something maybe hinkyis going on here, he bolts the cabin door.
Sure enough, the man triesto open the door to the cabin,
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and he's pissed when he figures outit's locked.
He shouts, “Open the door and let me in!”Arthur
is totally freaking out and startslooking for a way to get out of there.
He looks up and sees a skylight.
He smashes the skylight, climbs out,and runs as fast as he can from the boat.
When he finally gets back to the barracks,
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he tells the guards what happenedand wants them to go back to the boat.
The guards say, fine, we'll check it out,but in the morning.
The next day, Arthur and the guardsall make their way to where the boat is.
When they get there,they all see the boat,
but it's an old wreck.
However, based on the descriptionArthur gave the guards the night before,
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it is clearly the boathe had been on just hours before.
The timbers of the boat are all slimy,
and there are ratsrunning around everywhere.
As they all look over the boat, Arthur
finds his sister's red schoolscarf still hanging on the cabin door.
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Only later does Arthurfind out that 70 years ago,
the owner of that boat was hanged
for the murder of an undergraduate.
An undergrad just like Arthur.
I had
no idea there was such a thingas a creepy time slip story.
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But I am very excited to be proven wrong.
And to be able to sharethe love with you all.
Be careful out there.
And I will see you hereagain, on The InBetween.
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I'm Carol Ann.
And until next time, be careful out there.