May 8, 2025 • 27 mins
What happens when a seasoned prosecutor applies courtroom logic to the unexplainable? In this eye-opening episode, Bernie Brown, “The Logical Lawyer,” shares his personal encounters with the supernatural—alongside dozens of interviews he conducted over five years. Using strict prosecutorial standards of witness credibility and evidence, Bernie builds a case for events that defy scientific explanation. From answered prayers to prophetic dreams, this episode challenges the myth that logic and faith can't coexist. Are these events mere coincidence, or evidence of a greater reality? Join us as we walk the line between law, logic, and the unknown.
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Bernie Brown, I am the logical lawyer.
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We've got quite a show for you here today.
Today we are going to conducta logical analysis of three
personal supernatural experiences.
I guess you probably said.
What does a logical lawyer knowabout supernatural experiences?
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I wrote a book it took me about fiveyears of research to write this book,
and it was my own personal research.
What I did was I went around for fiveyears and everywhere I went, whether I
was at a lawyer's meeting or dinner ata party, family reunion, and sitting
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in a restaurant wherever I was.
I would ask people, have you ever hada personal supernatural experience?
Actually, I'd ask them, have youever had a supernatural experience?
And yes, most of them would lookat me like this guy's crazy.
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This guy's off his blocker.
He's gone.
We got a weirdo in, in,in the audience, but.
In invariably, inevitably, in almostevery case, if I was sitting in a group
of 10 people, there would be one personwho would come forward and say, yes.
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I've had an experience.
Many of them would wanna keep it secret.
They would say they slipped me theirphone number as they called me later.
And so what would happen is I wouldfollow up with a phone call to these
people and conduct an interviewabout their experience, and I
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would analyze their experience.
From a prosecutor'sanalysis, that's what I did.
I wrote the book, a Prosecutor's Analysisof Personal Supernatural Experiences.
I wrote that book based on all ofthese interviews, and in the book
I conduct a prosecutor's analysis.
First, I analyzed the credibilityof the witnesses and then I
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analyze whether the event.
Can properly be categorized as apersonal Supernatural experience.
As a supernatural experience, and Idefine a supernatural experience as an
experience that scientists cannot explain.
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And I'm gonna go through this.
I would love to have the scientists,any scientists out there listening to
this program, come back and explainto me how these events are possible,
and I'd love to hear it.
But in any event, I would analyzethe credibility of the witnesses.
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Some of them I found to beuntruthful or insincere.
This was based on myanalysis as a prosecutor.
That's what prosecutors do.
They analyze witness testimony and theyanalyze the credibility of the witnesses
and they analyze all the evidence and theycome to the a conclusion as to whether
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there is a reasonable probability thatprosecution of the case will result in
a conviction, and they decide whetheror not to proceed with prosecution.
It's the same standard that'sused throughout our entire nation.
Proof beyond a reasonable doubt inall criminal cases, and it's used to
convict criminals to convict murderers.
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Witness testimony is used to convictcriminals, murderers, rapists.
That's what, a jury relies on thetestimony and the evidence, and that's
what we have in these particular cases.
We conduct that same analysis.
In each case.
We conduct it under what's commonlyknown as the Socratic method of
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analysis, where we question everythingand we try to get to the truth.
Then I analyze whether it shouldbe categorized as a personal
supernatural experience.
Now you ask, why would I do this?
Who am I?
Why?
Why are you involved?
Why am I involved in this pursuit?
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The truth of the matter is thatI've had about three or four
personal supernatural experiences.
Now, like I said in the book, thereactually, there are dozens of experiences
and there are other people's experiencesand my analysis of their experiences,
but I've had about three of my ownmaybe four events that I cannot explain.
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And so today I am going toshare my personal experiences
with you and you can analyze.
First of all, my credibility.
I'm telling you, I'm telling the truth.
I got nothing to lose and nothing to gain.
I'm just telling you the truth aboutwhat happened, so I know I'm credible.
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And then together we can analyze whetherthe events should be characterized
as supernatural are the eventsthat scientists cannot explain.
Having said that, I thinkwe should just get it on.
Just get into the stories,analyze the stories, and decide
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what we think for ourselves.
And I'm gonna, at the end I'll askyou to, I'll give you a website, I'll
give you some methods to to contact meand I'm gonna hear what you gotta say.
Okay, so let's start with the first story.
And I'm gonna be going through 'empretty quickly 'cause the stories,
if I give you all the details, we'dbe here for quite a while, but I'll
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give you the main facts in each story.
Okay?
So here I am in my secondending, my second year of law
school, and I'm about to start.
My third year of law school, but justlike elementary school and college, you
have what's called a summer break andfor law school, for law students, when
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you go on summer break, you usuallyspend that summer break time working.
Because you need to earn some moneyso that you have enough money to
pay your rent when you start backwhen you go back to law school.
See, I was living in South Central lathat's where my home was, but I was
going to law school in San Franciscoat what was known then as UC Hastings.
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And so I would come back downto LA for the summer and, but to
make it shorter, I needed a job.
And I hadn't planned very well.
I had sent out a couple of resumes.
I did not have a summer job.
And about, I was about already threeweeks into the summer without a job.
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And I was getting desperate.
I'll admit it.
I was getting desperate'cause I needed the money.
'cause I need, you need moneywhen you go back to law school.
Yes, you'll get some financialaid, but the financial aid may not
arrive until about three or fourweeks until after you start your law
school after you start the semester.
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And so you got to have some money.
'cause the landlords don't want tohear you saying I, I'll get you the
money as soon as my money comes.
They want the deposit upfront.
So to make a long story short, Istarted praying, got on my knees.
Started praying.
I said, God, because Iwas getting desperate.
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Three weeks down, I don't have a job.
Please bring me a job.
God, you bring me a job.
I need a job.
And I was on my knees praying for aboutabout 10, 15 minutes or so, and then I
stood up and something happened to me.
This never happened to me before.
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Never happened to me before then, andit's never happened to me since then.
When I stood up, I saw what looked likea light hovering over the top of my head.
It was as if I could turn my eyesaround and look inside of my head and
look above it and see right on thetop of the back of my head a light.
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Glowing light and a face was inthat light a picture kinda like of a
guy I knew from years ago and therewas a voice that said, call him.
Call him 'em.
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And so I was like, wow.
Even me.
I, I've been praying for years.
Never had anything like that happen.
And I'm thinking, man that's something.
But so I had this look around.
I was started searchingaround with my phone book.
You guys may not knowwhat phone books are.
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You're so young.
Everything's on computers and cell phones.
But anyway, back then wehad a actual phone book.
So I had to see if Icould find his number.
Had, like I said, Ihadn't seen him in years.
And when I last saw him, he was a janitor.
He was a janitor.
So I'm thinking, how canhe, what, I don't know.
But anyway, but that's whatI figure I, I call him.
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So I found his number aftersearching around, and I called him.
And the conversation wentpretty much like this.
I said, Hey, how you doing?
He said, oh hey, Bernie.
Bernie.
Yeah.
I said, Bernie, I heardyou went off to law school.
I said, yeah, I went off to law school.
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I said, yeah, man.
I started my third yearand then I'm in law school
basically, and he says, oh yeah.
He says, you know what?
He said, do you need a job?
I got a job for you ifyou need a summer job.
Now, wait a minute.
Listen to this.
I didn't even ask him for a job.
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I hadn't even mentioned a job.
And he says to me, do you need a job?
He offers me a job.
And I said, yes.
He said, yeah, come on down.
Fill out the paperwork tomorrow morning.
Come on down.
I got a job for you.
Start the very next day.
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Okay okay, so I'm telling you the truth,that part credibility's not an issue.
So the question is this asupernatural experience?
You know what, golly, there was aprayer, there was an answer, and
the answer was corroborated by.
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A call to a guy that I hadn't, thatI would never have suspected to call,
never thought to call, and the guyoffers me a job and I got the job.
If that's not supernatural, whatis, it seems supernatural to me.
It seems from a logicalanalysis that it was a answer.
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A prayer, I prayed and I got ananswer, and the answer was confirmed
by a result that answered my prayer.
A logical analysis supports theconclusion beyond a reasonable
doubt that this was a supernaturaloccurrence, a supernatural phenomenon.
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That's my conclusion.
I would love to hear yours.
We'll, I'll give you a website,like I said a little later, but
let me give you another one.
I'm giving you only the onesthat I personally experienced.
Today.
I. I'll give you another one.
I'm a young child.
I'm only about 10 years old.
I'm in my bedroomsleeping, and I'm a baby.
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I'm not a baby, but a young child andmy mom's in their bedroom next to me,
mom and dad, and all of a sudden, inthe middle of the night, I'm awakened.
I hear my mom.
Crying, crying and moaning and groaning.
She's ah,
she's going.
And it's wow, as a 10-year-oldchild, this is what is going on?
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So I get out of the bed, I go intoher bedroom and say, mom, what?
What's going on?
And she's still crying and moaning andweeping, and I said, what's happening?
She says.
She says, I just dreamed that yourgrandfather got stabbed in the heart.
And she said, and I've had dreamsbefore and some of my dreams
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have control her like prophecies.
And so I'm really worried.
But you go back to bedjust go back to bed.
And so I'm like, whoa, boy.
Naturally as a kid I'm like,she said, you just go bed.
And so I just go back to bed.
Now, the next day
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my mother receives a phone call
and she gets the information.
She, the caller.
All of a sudden she startsweeping again basically.
And she said, she says, yourgrandfather just died of a heart attack.
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Oh, your grandfatherdied of a heart attack.
Okay.
I'm I, so was that dream a premonition?
Was it a prophecy?
What was that?
How does that happen?
How does a person dream that somebody's.
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Get stabbed in the heart.
A, a specific person.
My granddad, and by the way, this was notmy, her dad, it was her, my, my dad's dad.
He's laying right therein the bed next to her.
So how does she dream this?
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You could, okay.
Credibility.
First of all, I'm tellingthe truth, obviously.
Was she telling the truth?
Maybe she made it up.
I. It didn't seem like it, itseemed like she was just, she
seemed perfectly credible to me.
She's telling me that she had this dream.
She didn't say, she could have told methen my grandfather died if he'd already
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died, but she said no, I had a dream.
I've had dreams before.
And sure enough, IRA, she had toldme before that she has dreams that
come true, that have come true.
So in any event, it appears as thoughthe dream for toll or prophesized
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or what was like a prediction or apremonition, I don't know what you call
it, of what was to come a warning, analert, what do you call it now, you
could say from a logical analysis.
If she had the dream and nothinghappened for days and days, and then my
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grandfather died months later, he wouldsay I can't really see a connection
between the dream and his death.
But when he dies the very next day,that's when you say wait a minute.
The dream seemed to be a prophecy.
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The dream seemed to be a prognostication.
Let me give you one moreand then we'll be done.
We had an attorney on our job.
I was the supervisor there at theLA City, city Attorney's office.
I supervised a group of attorneys.
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I supervised about 40 attorneys there.
And one day one of the attorneys cameinto my office and said to me, you know
what I had a terrible dream last night.
I'm the supervisor of the branch.
But she says to me, she says, I have a hada dream that the chief got very sick and I
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saw him in a hospital room and they were.
The medical practitioners,the doctors were working
feverously to try to revive him.
She said they were, I, she said,I don't know whether he died,
but they were just working.
They were pumping his heart and trying torevive him and trying to save his life.
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And she said the samething my mother said.
She said, I've had dreams before.
And some of them have come true.
And so I'm really concernedabout whether he will be.
Okay.
So to make this story short, there was adiscussion about whether, and we should
whether he could whether she shouldtell him, and I need to make this short.
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She and 'cause he was the chief, shall Isay, he was the chief of all the branches.
I was the chief of this singularbranch, and I could actually, his
office was next to mine and whileshe's telling me this, I could actually
hear him in the office next to mine.
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He was just laughing it up 'cause mydoor was open and his door was open.
He was on the telephone.
I could hear him on the telephone,just laughing up a conversation
he was having with somebody.
He couldn't hear us, but I couldhear him laughing and being
happy and healthy at the time.
She has a discussion with the assistantchief and they decided to go in and
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tell him, and they go in and tell him.
And after they tellhim what the dream was.
He says, oh, thank you very much.
It's very nice of you to tell me this, Ifeel fine and I'm not worried about this.
It's ridiculous, basically.
And basically he says, get outtamy office and say, he didn't say
that, but that was the the moodthat they conveyed to me yesterday.
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His attitude basically.
But the problem was the next day.
The next day he didn't come inand we heard that he had a stroke
and almost died.
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So I witnessed this.
I witnessed the fact that she.
I had this dream and told me aboutit before he got sick, and it was the
day before I could do it back again.
If it was months beforeI'm sorry, yeah, weeks.
If it happened to him weeks later,then you would say it had no own
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connection, but under the circumstancesit appeared to be directly related.
The empirical evidenceleads to the conclusion.
That her dream was a prophecy,was a premonition, was a
prediction about what was to come.
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Did her dream, did telling him aboutthe dream precipitate the event,
did it cause him to in some wayssubconsciously have a medical emergency?
I don't know.
It is an event thescientists cannot explain.
I can't explain it.
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Scientists can explain it, but it happenedand it defies the law of probabilities.
You could say that it that itcould have happened anyway.
But when you look at it and you lookat it as circum, the circumstantial
evidence and the circumstances ofthe dream, and you analyze it from
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a logical analysis, it de it seemsthat it was not a per chance event.
So
once again, these are threesupernatural experiences.
That scientists cannot explain.
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I would love to scientiststo have an open mind.
I know scientists say if we can'treconstruct it and you can't prove
that it happened, we prove that thingshappened every day in the courthouse.
I. That's what's used to convict criminaldefendants evidence and testimony.
That's what we use.
People go to jail, they go to thedeath on death row, they get the death
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penalty, they get the electric chair.
They spend years in prisonbased on witness testimony and
corroborating evidence, and that'swhat we have in these three events.
So have we proven the case it seemsthat the cases have been proven
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well.
Ladies and gentlemen, I welcomeyour input and analysis.
You can contact me at theLogical lawyer@gmail.com.
My webpage is the Logical attorney.me.
The book is a prosecutor's analysis ofpersonal supernatural experiences, and the
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webpage is the supernatural attorney.net.
In the book, there are literallydozens of stories just like this one.
I'd love to hear what you have to sayabout it, and I would absolutely love to
hear what scientists have to say about it.
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Would they say I'm delusional?
Problem is that there are otherwitnesses, there are other people,
but would we all have multipledelusions together, the same delusion?
That doesn't seem reasonable.
No, it doesn't.
Ain't logical Analysis supportsthe conclusion that these are
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three supernatural experiences.
I. Like I said, there are dozensof others in my book, and you'll be
shocked to see which supernaturalexperience is the most reoccurring,
the one that most people experience.
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All righty.
Have a wonderful day, and I ask youto do this one thing at some point.
I ask you to just be quiet,have a moment of peace.
Just freeze and experiencethe world around you.
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Be happy for the blessings you have.
Look at the mountains and the trees,and the clouds, and the blue skies.
And the flowers and the rosesand your family, and your
friends, and the ones you love.
And.
All the good things and appreciate them.
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There'll come a day when youwon't be here to appreciate them.
So you gotta live it andlove it while you can.
Live it, love it, andenjoy life while you can.
I am the logical lawyer.
May the love of truth.
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Knowledge and logic liberate your mind.
Thank you so much.
Bernie Brown, I am the logical lawyer.
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We've got quite a show for you here today.
Today we are going to conducta logical analysis of three
personal supernatural experiences.
I guess you probably said.
What does a logical lawyer knowabout supernatural experiences?
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I wrote a book it took me about fiveyears of research to write this book,
and it was my own personal research.
What I did was I went around for fiveyears and everywhere I went, whether I
was at a lawyer's meeting or dinner ata party, family reunion, and sitting
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in a restaurant wherever I was.
I would ask people, have you ever hada personal supernatural experience?
Actually, I'd ask them, have youever had a supernatural experience?
And yes, most of them would lookat me like this guy's crazy.
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This guy's off his blocker.
He's gone.
We got a weirdo in, in,in the audience, but.
In invariably, inevitably, in almostevery case, if I was sitting in a group
of 10 people, there would be one personwho would come forward and say, yes.
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I've had an experience.
Many of them would wanna keep it secret.
They would say they slipped me theirphone number as they called me later.
And so what would happen is I wouldfollow up with a phone call to these
people and conduct an interviewabout their experience, and I
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would analyze their experience.
From a prosecutor'sanalysis, that's what I did.
I wrote the book, a Prosecutor's Analysisof Personal Supernatural Experiences.
I wrote that book based on all ofthese interviews, and in the book
I conduct a prosecutor's analysis.
First, I analyzed the credibilityof the witnesses and then I
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analyze whether the event.
Can properly be categorized as apersonal Supernatural experience.
As a supernatural experience, and Idefine a supernatural experience as an
experience that scientists cannot explain.
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And I'm gonna go through this.
I would love to have the scientists,any scientists out there listening to
this program, come back and explainto me how these events are possible,
and I'd love to hear it.
But in any event, I would analyzethe credibility of the witnesses.
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Some of them I found to beuntruthful or insincere.
This was based on myanalysis as a prosecutor.
That's what prosecutors do.
They analyze witness testimony and theyanalyze the credibility of the witnesses
and they analyze all the evidence and theycome to the a conclusion as to whether
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there is a reasonable probability thatprosecution of the case will result in
a conviction, and they decide whetheror not to proceed with prosecution.
It's the same standard that'sused throughout our entire nation.
Proof beyond a reasonable doubt inall criminal cases, and it's used to
convict criminals to convict murderers.
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Witness testimony is used to convictcriminals, murderers, rapists.
That's what, a jury relies on thetestimony and the evidence, and that's
what we have in these particular cases.
We conduct that same analysis.
In each case.
We conduct it under what's commonlyknown as the Socratic method of
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analysis, where we question everythingand we try to get to the truth.
Then I analyze whether it shouldbe categorized as a personal
supernatural experience.
Now you ask, why would I do this?
Who am I?
Why?
Why are you involved?
Why am I involved in this pursuit?
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The truth of the matter is thatI've had about three or four
personal supernatural experiences.
Now, like I said in the book, thereactually, there are dozens of experiences
and there are other people's experiencesand my analysis of their experiences,
but I've had about three of my ownmaybe four events that I cannot explain.
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And so today I am going toshare my personal experiences
with you and you can analyze.
First of all, my credibility.
I'm telling you, I'm telling the truth.
I got nothing to lose and nothing to gain.
I'm just telling you the truth aboutwhat happened, so I know I'm credible.
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And then together we can analyze whetherthe events should be characterized
as supernatural are the eventsthat scientists cannot explain.
Having said that, I thinkwe should just get it on.
Just get into the stories,analyze the stories, and decide
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what we think for ourselves.
And I'm gonna, at the end I'll askyou to, I'll give you a website, I'll
give you some methods to to contact meand I'm gonna hear what you gotta say.
Okay, so let's start with the first story.
And I'm gonna be going through 'empretty quickly 'cause the stories,
if I give you all the details, we'dbe here for quite a while, but I'll
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give you the main facts in each story.
Okay?
So here I am in my secondending, my second year of law
school, and I'm about to start.
My third year of law school, but justlike elementary school and college, you
have what's called a summer break andfor law school, for law students, when
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you go on summer break, you usuallyspend that summer break time working.
Because you need to earn some moneyso that you have enough money to
pay your rent when you start backwhen you go back to law school.
See, I was living in South Central lathat's where my home was, but I was
going to law school in San Franciscoat what was known then as UC Hastings.
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And so I would come back downto LA for the summer and, but to
make it shorter, I needed a job.
And I hadn't planned very well.
I had sent out a couple of resumes.
I did not have a summer job.
And about, I was about already threeweeks into the summer without a job.
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And I was getting desperate.
I'll admit it.
I was getting desperate'cause I needed the money.
'cause I need, you need moneywhen you go back to law school.
Yes, you'll get some financialaid, but the financial aid may not
arrive until about three or fourweeks until after you start your law
school after you start the semester.
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And so you got to have some money.
'cause the landlords don't want tohear you saying I, I'll get you the
money as soon as my money comes.
They want the deposit upfront.
So to make a long story short, Istarted praying, got on my knees.
Started praying.
I said, God, because Iwas getting desperate.
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Three weeks down, I don't have a job.
Please bring me a job.
God, you bring me a job.
I need a job.
And I was on my knees praying for aboutabout 10, 15 minutes or so, and then I
stood up and something happened to me.
This never happened to me before.
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Never happened to me before then, andit's never happened to me since then.
When I stood up, I saw what looked likea light hovering over the top of my head.
It was as if I could turn my eyesaround and look inside of my head and
look above it and see right on thetop of the back of my head a light.
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Glowing light and a face was inthat light a picture kinda like of a
guy I knew from years ago and therewas a voice that said, call him.
Call him 'em.
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And so I was like, wow.
Even me.
I, I've been praying for years.
Never had anything like that happen.
And I'm thinking, man that's something.
But so I had this look around.
I was started searchingaround with my phone book.
You guys may not knowwhat phone books are.
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You're so young.
Everything's on computers and cell phones.
But anyway, back then wehad a actual phone book.
So I had to see if Icould find his number.
Had, like I said, Ihadn't seen him in years.
And when I last saw him, he was a janitor.
He was a janitor.
So I'm thinking, how canhe, what, I don't know.
But anyway, but that's whatI figure I, I call him.
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So I found his number aftersearching around, and I called him.
And the conversation wentpretty much like this.
I said, Hey, how you doing?
He said, oh hey, Bernie.
Bernie.
Yeah.
I said, Bernie, I heardyou went off to law school.
I said, yeah, I went off to law school.
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I said, yeah, man.
I started my third yearand then I'm in law school
basically, and he says, oh yeah.
He says, you know what?
He said, do you need a job?
I got a job for you ifyou need a summer job.
Now, wait a minute.
Listen to this.
I didn't even ask him for a job.
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I hadn't even mentioned a job.
And he says to me, do you need a job?
He offers me a job.
And I said, yes.
He said, yeah, come on down.
Fill out the paperwork tomorrow morning.
Come on down.
I got a job for you.
Start the very next day.
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Okay okay, so I'm telling you the truth,that part credibility's not an issue.
So the question is this asupernatural experience?
You know what, golly, there was aprayer, there was an answer, and
the answer was corroborated by.
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A call to a guy that I hadn't, thatI would never have suspected to call,
never thought to call, and the guyoffers me a job and I got the job.
If that's not supernatural, whatis, it seems supernatural to me.
It seems from a logicalanalysis that it was a answer.
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A prayer, I prayed and I got ananswer, and the answer was confirmed
by a result that answered my prayer.
A logical analysis supports theconclusion beyond a reasonable
doubt that this was a supernaturaloccurrence, a supernatural phenomenon.
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That's my conclusion.
I would love to hear yours.
We'll, I'll give you a website,like I said a little later, but
let me give you another one.
I'm giving you only the onesthat I personally experienced.
Today.
I. I'll give you another one.
I'm a young child.
I'm only about 10 years old.
I'm in my bedroomsleeping, and I'm a baby.
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I'm not a baby, but a young child andmy mom's in their bedroom next to me,
mom and dad, and all of a sudden, inthe middle of the night, I'm awakened.
I hear my mom.
Crying, crying and moaning and groaning.
She's ah,
she's going.
And it's wow, as a 10-year-oldchild, this is what is going on?
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So I get out of the bed, I go intoher bedroom and say, mom, what?
What's going on?
And she's still crying and moaning andweeping, and I said, what's happening?
She says.
She says, I just dreamed that yourgrandfather got stabbed in the heart.
And she said, and I've had dreamsbefore and some of my dreams
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have control her like prophecies.
And so I'm really worried.
But you go back to bedjust go back to bed.
And so I'm like, whoa, boy.
Naturally as a kid I'm like,she said, you just go bed.
And so I just go back to bed.
Now, the next day
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my mother receives a phone call
and she gets the information.
She, the caller.
All of a sudden she startsweeping again basically.
And she said, she says, yourgrandfather just died of a heart attack.
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Oh, your grandfatherdied of a heart attack.
Okay.
I'm I, so was that dream a premonition?
Was it a prophecy?
What was that?
How does that happen?
How does a person dream that somebody's.
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Get stabbed in the heart.
A, a specific person.
My granddad, and by the way, this was notmy, her dad, it was her, my, my dad's dad.
He's laying right therein the bed next to her.
So how does she dream this?
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You could, okay.
Credibility.
First of all, I'm tellingthe truth, obviously.
Was she telling the truth?
Maybe she made it up.
I. It didn't seem like it, itseemed like she was just, she
seemed perfectly credible to me.
She's telling me that she had this dream.
She didn't say, she could have told methen my grandfather died if he'd already
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died, but she said no, I had a dream.
I've had dreams before.
And sure enough, IRA, she had toldme before that she has dreams that
come true, that have come true.
So in any event, it appears as thoughthe dream for toll or prophesized
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or what was like a prediction or apremonition, I don't know what you call
it, of what was to come a warning, analert, what do you call it now, you
could say from a logical analysis.
If she had the dream and nothinghappened for days and days, and then my
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grandfather died months later, he wouldsay I can't really see a connection
between the dream and his death.
But when he dies the very next day,that's when you say wait a minute.
The dream seemed to be a prophecy.
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The dream seemed to be a prognostication.
Let me give you one moreand then we'll be done.
We had an attorney on our job.
I was the supervisor there at theLA City, city Attorney's office.
I supervised a group of attorneys.
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I supervised about 40 attorneys there.
And one day one of the attorneys cameinto my office and said to me, you know
what I had a terrible dream last night.
I'm the supervisor of the branch.
But she says to me, she says, I have a hada dream that the chief got very sick and I
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saw him in a hospital room and they were.
The medical practitioners,the doctors were working
feverously to try to revive him.
She said they were, I, she said,I don't know whether he died,
but they were just working.
They were pumping his heart and trying torevive him and trying to save his life.
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And she said the samething my mother said.
She said, I've had dreams before.
And some of them have come true.
And so I'm really concernedabout whether he will be.
Okay.
So to make this story short, there was adiscussion about whether, and we should
whether he could whether she shouldtell him, and I need to make this short.
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She and 'cause he was the chief, shall Isay, he was the chief of all the branches.
I was the chief of this singularbranch, and I could actually, his
office was next to mine and whileshe's telling me this, I could actually
hear him in the office next to mine.
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He was just laughing it up 'cause mydoor was open and his door was open.
He was on the telephone.
I could hear him on the telephone,just laughing up a conversation
he was having with somebody.
He couldn't hear us, but I couldhear him laughing and being
happy and healthy at the time.
She has a discussion with the assistantchief and they decided to go in and
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tell him, and they go in and tell him.
And after they tellhim what the dream was.
He says, oh, thank you very much.
It's very nice of you to tell me this, Ifeel fine and I'm not worried about this.
It's ridiculous, basically.
And basically he says, get outtamy office and say, he didn't say
that, but that was the the moodthat they conveyed to me yesterday.
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His attitude basically.
But the problem was the next day.
The next day he didn't come inand we heard that he had a stroke
and almost died.
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So I witnessed this.
I witnessed the fact that she.
I had this dream and told me aboutit before he got sick, and it was the
day before I could do it back again.
If it was months beforeI'm sorry, yeah, weeks.
If it happened to him weeks later,then you would say it had no own
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connection, but under the circumstancesit appeared to be directly related.
The empirical evidenceleads to the conclusion.
That her dream was a prophecy,was a premonition, was a
prediction about what was to come.
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Did her dream, did telling him aboutthe dream precipitate the event,
did it cause him to in some wayssubconsciously have a medical emergency?
I don't know.
It is an event thescientists cannot explain.
I can't explain it.
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Scientists can explain it, but it happenedand it defies the law of probabilities.
You could say that it that itcould have happened anyway.
But when you look at it and you lookat it as circum, the circumstantial
evidence and the circumstances ofthe dream, and you analyze it from
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a logical analysis, it de it seemsthat it was not a per chance event.
So
once again, these are threesupernatural experiences.
That scientists cannot explain.
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I would love to scientiststo have an open mind.
I know scientists say if we can'treconstruct it and you can't prove
that it happened, we prove that thingshappened every day in the courthouse.
I. That's what's used to convict criminaldefendants evidence and testimony.
That's what we use.
People go to jail, they go to thedeath on death row, they get the death
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penalty, they get the electric chair.
They spend years in prisonbased on witness testimony and
corroborating evidence, and that'swhat we have in these three events.
So have we proven the case it seemsthat the cases have been proven
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well.
Ladies and gentlemen, I welcomeyour input and analysis.
You can contact me at theLogical lawyer@gmail.com.
My webpage is the Logical attorney.me.
The book is a prosecutor's analysis ofpersonal supernatural experiences, and the
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webpage is the supernatural attorney.net.
In the book, there are literallydozens of stories just like this one.
I'd love to hear what you have to sayabout it, and I would absolutely love to
hear what scientists have to say about it.
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Would they say I'm delusional?
Problem is that there are otherwitnesses, there are other people,
but would we all have multipledelusions together, the same delusion?
That doesn't seem reasonable.
No, it doesn't.
Ain't logical Analysis supportsthe conclusion that these are
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three supernatural experiences.
I. Like I said, there are dozensof others in my book, and you'll be
shocked to see which supernaturalexperience is the most reoccurring,
the one that most people experience.
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All righty.
Have a wonderful day, and I ask youto do this one thing at some point.
I ask you to just be quiet,have a moment of peace.
Just freeze and experiencethe world around you.
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Be happy for the blessings you have.
Look at the mountains and the trees,and the clouds, and the blue skies.
And the flowers and the rosesand your family, and your
friends, and the ones you love.
And.
All the good things and appreciate them.
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There'll come a day when youwon't be here to appreciate them.
So you gotta live it andlove it while you can.
Live it, love it, andenjoy life while you can.
I am the logical lawyer.
May the love of truth.
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Knowledge and logic liberate your mind.
Thank you so much.
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