May 21, 2025 • 19 mins
In this heartfelt episode of The Logical Lawyer Bernie Brown, we hear Michelle’s incredible story about connecting with her late father through a dream. Five months after his passing, she receives a message from the other side, guiding her to find missing jewelry—a symbol of love, connection, and the afterlife. This conversation uncovers the mystery of posthumous communication and its emotional weight. Is it possible that our loved ones leave messages for us, even after they've passed? Tune in for a powerful reminder that love transcends death.
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(00:00):
This is fantastic.
Wow.
We have here with us today,Michelle from Moreno Valley.
Is it?
Yes.
And Michelle, believe you had apersonal supernatural experience.
Is that it is ah.
I've had a few, oh, juststart telling us about them.
(00:22):
We wanna hear about your experiences.
Oh,
okay.
All of them.
Let's start with, I mayask you some questions.
I may break in and ask questions.
Okay.
All righty.
So the most recent one, it'spertaining to my father.
Okay.
(00:42):
He will have passedaway one year tomorrow.
So we're at the anniversary.
So I've had dreams about my dad and afterhis passing and in the dreams, they,
he, it was just like a regular dream.
He was there, but in this one particulardream, I acknowledged he had passed and.
(01:05):
The reason I did that was because justafter his passing, we knew that he had
certain items that we were looking for.
We found some things, they werepretty specific things that were like
pendants and jewelry, personal itemsof his, and we couldn't find them.
(01:28):
So in this one particular dream.
I acknowledged that he had passedand I asked him and I said,
dad, where is your jewelry?
Like where's your items?
Where do you put 'em?
My dad was well known for havingput his stuff in spots that, weren't
(01:50):
easy easy access for everyone.
So in the dream, he told me on theside of the couch, near the wall, and.
I was like, okay.
So that's incredible.
You have a dream.
How soon after your dad dieddid you have this dream?
It was probably about five months after.
(02:11):
Wow.
And how long had you beensearching for this jewelry?
About a month after his passing,we found some of his items,
but I knew some was missing.
So I would have to say, anotherthree months just looking around and.
I, we just couldn't find it.
Yeah.
And then finally, then I had this dreamand I, I don't know what was different
(02:36):
about it, but I acknowledged his passingand so I said, I asked him where was it?
And so that's where he told me,
but Oh, he told you where it was?
Yeah.
He said look on the side of the couch,near the wall of the like closet.
(02:56):
The couch is in the front room.
There's no type of closet in that room,but the couch is up against the wall
to the bedroom that he used to be in.
And so I looked in the closet and Ilooked, to the right, which would be
closest to the wall to where the couchis on the other side of the wall.
(03:19):
So I, my dad always would take theseparticular bags that I had, 'cause
they had a lot of pockets and therewas a bag hanging in the closet.
I, it, my mother was present, I believe.
I don't know if my one of my brotherswere, but we had seen these bags before.
I already knew what was in there.
(03:40):
There was like coins and, I looked againin the bag and there were the jewelry
items that we were looking for prior.
There weren't small pieces, so I don'tknow how I could have missed them
the first time going through the bag.
It was like a large gold chain witha big pendant that was like a gun.
(04:01):
His ring, like with his initials, whichyou know is, it's like one of a kind.
So it was important that we foundthese items, for my brothers to
have and he told me where they were.
Yeah so we have been lookingin that same bag before.
So let me get this straight.
Let me make absolutely clear.
(04:23):
You have been lookingfor this jewelry, you.
Have a dream.
Your father appears in the dream.
Is that right?
Yeah.
He is in the dream.
He appears in the dream and hetells you where to find the items?
Yes.
After I asked him.
Yeah.
You ask him.
That's amazing.
(04:43):
And then you go to thatlocation and there they are.
Yes.
Where I've been, whereI've already looked before.
Amazing.
Now.
Wow.
So it seems like your fathercommunicated to you with you
in a dream after he had passed.
(05:05):
How long had he been passed?
At that point, it wouldhave been like five months.
Okay.
Yeah, five months.
And so you go there and you finda jury now, I guess you actually
felt his presence in the dream.
I've never
not felt my dad since he's past.
Okay.
But I often have dreamswhere my dad is in them.
(05:28):
Okay.
But in the in the dreams before thisone, he was, it was like if he still was
living, it was just like a regular dreamthat I would have prior to his death.
After his death in this particulardream, I acknowledged his passing,
(05:50):
so I asked him, because I knew he hadpassed and I wanted to find these items.
So it was like.
Surprising to me too, that Iacknowledge his passing in the dream.
Like I didn't expect to acknowledgeit or not acknowledge it.
'cause I just dream.
I don't know.
I just dream of my dad all the time.
(06:12):
But, so yeah, I guess thatwas what made it real.
All right, you said you've had dreamsbefore and this dream seems to be a
dream where you actually communicatedwith the spirit of your dad.
Yes.
Have you had other dreamswhere you communicated with
spirits or anything like that?
(06:33):
No.
And you're not a psychicor a medium or any of that?
Far from and just for theaudience's sake, you haven't been
offered any money or anything No.
For telling your story?
No.
And you're just telling it becauseyou want people to know because it's
true.
It's true.
Is that right?
Yeah, it's true.
(06:53):
So another experience that Ihad with my brother at the.
Same time was shortly after his passing.
We transitioned my mom intothe room where he was at.
First lemme say my dadwas a lover of clothes.
He was like a shopaholic.
Okay?
So we transitioned my mom into thisbedroom, and so I had to remove
(07:17):
some of the clothes in the closetto make space for my mom's clothes.
And we were moving the bed around andso forth, and my brother was in the
room and he was waving his hand like ifsomething, excuse me, was flying around.
So I asked him like, what are you doing?
(07:37):
Is it a fly dust?
So he kept saying, no, I see something.
I see something.
He was like waving his hand, soI don't, he said like a white.
I don't know how he described it.
So we continued, moving thingsaround and swapping out his
clothes into a different closet.
(07:59):
And then I saw, excuse me, what my brothersaw, and it was like a white light on the
right, on my, outta my right side vision.
And it was like.
It's something like, it was somethingthere just enough to annoy you
(08:19):
where you wanna swat it away.
So how, so it was the, what'sthe size of a bug or something?
Or was it big Almost?
No, almost in spring, thoseflowers that Dante Lion.
Yeah, the Dante Lions that fly aroundand they have the little white.
Things that fly in the air.
Like you blow the flower.
Yes.
Okay.
Similar to that.
(08:40):
So just something white, very small,but bright enough for you to see
and you know where flying around or
something?
Or was
it Yeah, like up towards theceiling on the right, like
out of my right side vision.
Okay.
So I told him, I'm like,oh, I see what James.
(09:00):
I see it.
I know what you were seeing.
So we both immediately knew,and my mom was there in the
room that it had to be my dad.
So I told my dad, don't worry, dad, I'mjust moving your clothes to another room.
I'm not gonna do anything withthem because that would be the only
thing that would make him, wannacome forward and make sure that we
(09:23):
didn't do anything with his clothes.
But the both of us experiencedit at the, within the same time.
And so about how long did you see it?
Was it a minute, a few seconds?
I don't know, maybe 30, 40 seconds.
Just hanging around.
And it was flying, it was likeflying around, buzzing around.
(09:44):
Like a,
just just hovering up to the right.
Yeah, to the right, like a little whitelight, I just, it didn't scare us or
anything like that, it just, we saw it.
There's, it was, I had experiencedsomething like that with other people,
like a completely different situationwhere I was in a room with a girl who
(10:07):
was having the same type of experience.
No one else could see it.
So after my brother had, explained whathappened, and then, about 10 minutes later
I was experiencing the same white hoveringlight, we knew that my dad was there.
(10:28):
Okay.
So you think that washis spirit, you think?
Yes.
And that you said that was soon after.
How long after he died?
That was about a month after when wewere getting everything situated in the
room, like rearranging the room for mymom and, swapping out some closet space.
Anything
else like this?
(10:49):
Like this?
Before,
before
he died.
Have you ever had these kind of,
I have just, in my personal life and.
Like once my employment, when I used towork at a hospital, I had an experience
and again, I was with people and theperson with me saw the same thing.
(11:14):
Okay, so let me just clarify that.
Did you say it was James that sawit when you, your brother James?
My brother, yeah.
He saw it.
Did he say at the same timeyou saw it or he saw it?
He saw it.
He saw it first before, yeah.
Yeah.
And then about 10 minutes later Isaw it, we were both in the room
(11:34):
at the same time with my mother.
Wow.
And you believed it to be thespirit of your dad, for sure.
You sure?
And why are you sure?
I've never experienced that before.
Okay.
And.
Just knew, like it had to be him forJames to experience and then for me to
(11:55):
experience within the same timeframeand us having to do with his items,
his personal items that he cherished.
His suits.
I, it, to me there couldn'thave been other explanation.
Okay.
As you, I'm a prosecutor or Iwas a former prosecutor, so I
(12:17):
have to ask some tough questions.
Okay.
Okay.
Could it have been your imagination?
Did you just imagine the whole thing?
No, it wasn't my imagination becauseI know what I saw and it was.
Almost the same experience mybrother had just had without
him really, going into detail.
Other than that he seessomething, like hovering white
(12:40):
in the corner, just lingering.
And then for me to experience that andnever experiencing that before, and us
losing our father who we, cherished.
So I think it was just.
His way of letting us knowthat he was still around.
And how long has it been nowsince your father died in one day?
(13:02):
It will be one year.
Okay.
All righty.
All righty.
Okay, that's a fascinating story.
And it's you not a psychic oranything like that, have you?
No, I would've already.
I've already.
Would've hit the lotteryif that was the case.
Oh, that's pretty good.
(13:22):
Have you had any other experiences ofthis nature or any other psychic or,
I saw the light one other time,a couple weeks after the first
experience in the kitchen.
Okay.
I don't know what I wasdoing in the kitchen.
It probably has somethingto do with cutting.
I think I was cutting something Mydad was notorious for telling us
(13:43):
to be careful not to cut ourselves.
But even though we're like grown andknow how to cook and have done this
several times, you're still a father.
So I was cutting somethingand then I saw the same white
light hovering to my right up.
(14:04):
So it, I just knew he wasthere watching over me.
And I had, sorry, I'm sorry.
So I had told my brother Jamesthat I saw the light again.
Like I, I had experienced it again.
I, it was shortly afterthe first experience.
And then I told my other brother Jesseabout it, and then I had expressed to
(14:30):
them like, oh, I haven't experiencedit since, and it's been a while.
A while, meaning a month, just, and thenmy brother had told me I experienced
something with dad in the kitchen too.
He was like, I was cooking andI could feel like him standing
behind me as I was cooking.
(14:52):
I was like no wonder hehasn't been here to visit me.
He is been over there with you.
So I had that same white.
Hovering light.
It was like the same type of,brightness figure, same height.
So yeah, I knew it was himwhile I was in the kitchen.
(15:15):
Great.
That's his other favorite place.
Alright, thank you for sharing that story.
That is so beautiful.
Is there anything else you'd like to add?
Any other incidents orany other, anything else?
No, that's it.
But I do thank you for hearing mystory and letting me speak about
(15:37):
my father, who means so much to me.
Just, he still lives on in ourhearts, even though he's not
here, there's not a day that goesby that I don't think of him.
So if I, the chance the, yougave me the chance to speak
about him and I appreciate it.
All righty.
Thank you for telling us about it.
This is a remarkable experience andI really appreciate you sharing it.
(15:59):
It means a lot to me and it meansa lot to the people who view this.
I think that what it suggestsis that his spirit still lives.
Is that how you interpreted it?
Percent, yes.
That his spirit is still alive.
That's quite amazing.
Michelle, I want to thank you so much.
Is there anything elseyou'd like to add or,
(16:20):
No, that's it.
Wow.
That's an amazing story.
You're a phenomenal person, and thankyou so much for sharing it with us.
Thank you.
All righty.
This is fantastic.
Wow.
We have here with us today,Michelle from Moreno Valley.
Is it?
Yes.
And Michelle, believe you had apersonal supernatural experience.
Is that it is ah.
I've had a few, oh, juststart telling us about them.
(00:22):
We wanna hear about your experiences.
Oh,
okay.
All of them.
Let's start with, I mayask you some questions.
I may break in and ask questions.
Okay.
All righty.
So the most recent one, it'spertaining to my father.
Okay.
(00:42):
He will have passedaway one year tomorrow.
So we're at the anniversary.
So I've had dreams about my dad and afterhis passing and in the dreams, they,
he, it was just like a regular dream.
He was there, but in this one particulardream, I acknowledged he had passed and.
(01:05):
The reason I did that was because justafter his passing, we knew that he had
certain items that we were looking for.
We found some things, they werepretty specific things that were like
pendants and jewelry, personal itemsof his, and we couldn't find them.
(01:28):
So in this one particular dream.
I acknowledged that he had passedand I asked him and I said,
dad, where is your jewelry?
Like where's your items?
Where do you put 'em?
My dad was well known for havingput his stuff in spots that, weren't
(01:50):
easy easy access for everyone.
So in the dream, he told me on theside of the couch, near the wall, and.
I was like, okay.
So that's incredible.
You have a dream.
How soon after your dad dieddid you have this dream?
It was probably about five months after.
(02:11):
Wow.
And how long had you beensearching for this jewelry?
About a month after his passing,we found some of his items,
but I knew some was missing.
So I would have to say, anotherthree months just looking around and.
I, we just couldn't find it.
Yeah.
And then finally, then I had this dreamand I, I don't know what was different
(02:36):
about it, but I acknowledged his passingand so I said, I asked him where was it?
And so that's where he told me,
but Oh, he told you where it was?
Yeah.
He said look on the side of the couch,near the wall of the like closet.
(02:56):
The couch is in the front room.
There's no type of closet in that room,but the couch is up against the wall
to the bedroom that he used to be in.
And so I looked in the closet and Ilooked, to the right, which would be
closest to the wall to where the couchis on the other side of the wall.
(03:19):
So I, my dad always would take theseparticular bags that I had, 'cause
they had a lot of pockets and therewas a bag hanging in the closet.
I, it, my mother was present, I believe.
I don't know if my one of my brotherswere, but we had seen these bags before.
I already knew what was in there.
(03:40):
There was like coins and, I looked againin the bag and there were the jewelry
items that we were looking for prior.
There weren't small pieces, so I don'tknow how I could have missed them
the first time going through the bag.
It was like a large gold chain witha big pendant that was like a gun.
(04:01):
His ring, like with his initials, whichyou know is, it's like one of a kind.
So it was important that we foundthese items, for my brothers to
have and he told me where they were.
Yeah so we have been lookingin that same bag before.
So let me get this straight.
Let me make absolutely clear.
(04:23):
You have been lookingfor this jewelry, you.
Have a dream.
Your father appears in the dream.
Is that right?
Yeah.
He is in the dream.
He appears in the dream and hetells you where to find the items?
Yes.
After I asked him.
Yeah.
You ask him.
That's amazing.
(04:43):
And then you go to thatlocation and there they are.
Yes.
Where I've been, whereI've already looked before.
Amazing.
Now.
Wow.
So it seems like your fathercommunicated to you with you
in a dream after he had passed.
(05:05):
How long had he been passed?
At that point, it wouldhave been like five months.
Okay.
Yeah, five months.
And so you go there and you finda jury now, I guess you actually
felt his presence in the dream.
I've never
not felt my dad since he's past.
Okay.
But I often have dreamswhere my dad is in them.
(05:28):
Okay.
But in the in the dreams before thisone, he was, it was like if he still was
living, it was just like a regular dreamthat I would have prior to his death.
After his death in this particulardream, I acknowledged his passing,
(05:50):
so I asked him, because I knew he hadpassed and I wanted to find these items.
So it was like.
Surprising to me too, that Iacknowledge his passing in the dream.
Like I didn't expect to acknowledgeit or not acknowledge it.
'cause I just dream.
I don't know.
I just dream of my dad all the time.
(06:12):
But, so yeah, I guess thatwas what made it real.
All right, you said you've had dreamsbefore and this dream seems to be a
dream where you actually communicatedwith the spirit of your dad.
Yes.
Have you had other dreamswhere you communicated with
spirits or anything like that?
(06:33):
No.
And you're not a psychicor a medium or any of that?
Far from and just for theaudience's sake, you haven't been
offered any money or anything No.
For telling your story?
No.
And you're just telling it becauseyou want people to know because it's
true.
It's true.
Is that right?
Yeah, it's true.
(06:53):
So another experience that Ihad with my brother at the.
Same time was shortly after his passing.
We transitioned my mom intothe room where he was at.
First lemme say my dadwas a lover of clothes.
He was like a shopaholic.
Okay?
So we transitioned my mom into thisbedroom, and so I had to remove
(07:17):
some of the clothes in the closetto make space for my mom's clothes.
And we were moving the bed around andso forth, and my brother was in the
room and he was waving his hand like ifsomething, excuse me, was flying around.
So I asked him like, what are you doing?
(07:37):
Is it a fly dust?
So he kept saying, no, I see something.
I see something.
He was like waving his hand, soI don't, he said like a white.
I don't know how he described it.
So we continued, moving thingsaround and swapping out his
clothes into a different closet.
(07:59):
And then I saw, excuse me, what my brothersaw, and it was like a white light on the
right, on my, outta my right side vision.
And it was like.
It's something like, it was somethingthere just enough to annoy you
(08:19):
where you wanna swat it away.
So how, so it was the, what'sthe size of a bug or something?
Or was it big Almost?
No, almost in spring, thoseflowers that Dante Lion.
Yeah, the Dante Lions that fly aroundand they have the little white.
Things that fly in the air.
Like you blow the flower.
Yes.
Okay.
Similar to that.
(08:40):
So just something white, very small,but bright enough for you to see
and you know where flying around or
something?
Or was
it Yeah, like up towards theceiling on the right, like
out of my right side vision.
Okay.
So I told him, I'm like,oh, I see what James.
(09:00):
I see it.
I know what you were seeing.
So we both immediately knew,and my mom was there in the
room that it had to be my dad.
So I told my dad, don't worry, dad, I'mjust moving your clothes to another room.
I'm not gonna do anything withthem because that would be the only
thing that would make him, wannacome forward and make sure that we
(09:23):
didn't do anything with his clothes.
But the both of us experiencedit at the, within the same time.
And so about how long did you see it?
Was it a minute, a few seconds?
I don't know, maybe 30, 40 seconds.
Just hanging around.
And it was flying, it was likeflying around, buzzing around.
(09:44):
Like a,
just just hovering up to the right.
Yeah, to the right, like a little whitelight, I just, it didn't scare us or
anything like that, it just, we saw it.
There's, it was, I had experiencedsomething like that with other people,
like a completely different situationwhere I was in a room with a girl who
(10:07):
was having the same type of experience.
No one else could see it.
So after my brother had, explained whathappened, and then, about 10 minutes later
I was experiencing the same white hoveringlight, we knew that my dad was there.
(10:28):
Okay.
So you think that washis spirit, you think?
Yes.
And that you said that was soon after.
How long after he died?
That was about a month after when wewere getting everything situated in the
room, like rearranging the room for mymom and, swapping out some closet space.
Anything
else like this?
(10:49):
Like this?
Before,
before
he died.
Have you ever had these kind of,
I have just, in my personal life and.
Like once my employment, when I used towork at a hospital, I had an experience
and again, I was with people and theperson with me saw the same thing.
(11:14):
Okay, so let me just clarify that.
Did you say it was James that sawit when you, your brother James?
My brother, yeah.
He saw it.
Did he say at the same timeyou saw it or he saw it?
He saw it.
He saw it first before, yeah.
Yeah.
And then about 10 minutes later Isaw it, we were both in the room
(11:34):
at the same time with my mother.
Wow.
And you believed it to be thespirit of your dad, for sure.
You sure?
And why are you sure?
I've never experienced that before.
Okay.
And.
Just knew, like it had to be him forJames to experience and then for me to
(11:55):
experience within the same timeframeand us having to do with his items,
his personal items that he cherished.
His suits.
I, it, to me there couldn'thave been other explanation.
Okay.
As you, I'm a prosecutor or Iwas a former prosecutor, so I
(12:17):
have to ask some tough questions.
Okay.
Okay.
Could it have been your imagination?
Did you just imagine the whole thing?
No, it wasn't my imagination becauseI know what I saw and it was.
Almost the same experience mybrother had just had without
him really, going into detail.
Other than that he seessomething, like hovering white
(12:40):
in the corner, just lingering.
And then for me to experience that andnever experiencing that before, and us
losing our father who we, cherished.
So I think it was just.
His way of letting us knowthat he was still around.
And how long has it been nowsince your father died in one day?
(13:02):
It will be one year.
Okay.
All righty.
All righty.
Okay, that's a fascinating story.
And it's you not a psychic oranything like that, have you?
No, I would've already.
I've already.
Would've hit the lotteryif that was the case.
Oh, that's pretty good.
(13:22):
Have you had any other experiences ofthis nature or any other psychic or,
I saw the light one other time,a couple weeks after the first
experience in the kitchen.
Okay.
I don't know what I wasdoing in the kitchen.
It probably has somethingto do with cutting.
I think I was cutting something Mydad was notorious for telling us
(13:43):
to be careful not to cut ourselves.
But even though we're like grown andknow how to cook and have done this
several times, you're still a father.
So I was cutting somethingand then I saw the same white
light hovering to my right up.
(14:04):
So it, I just knew he wasthere watching over me.
And I had, sorry, I'm sorry.
So I had told my brother Jamesthat I saw the light again.
Like I, I had experienced it again.
I, it was shortly afterthe first experience.
And then I told my other brother Jesseabout it, and then I had expressed to
(14:30):
them like, oh, I haven't experiencedit since, and it's been a while.
A while, meaning a month, just, and thenmy brother had told me I experienced
something with dad in the kitchen too.
He was like, I was cooking andI could feel like him standing
behind me as I was cooking.
(14:52):
I was like no wonder hehasn't been here to visit me.
He is been over there with you.
So I had that same white.
Hovering light.
It was like the same type of,brightness figure, same height.
So yeah, I knew it was himwhile I was in the kitchen.
(15:15):
Great.
That's his other favorite place.
Alright, thank you for sharing that story.
That is so beautiful.
Is there anything else you'd like to add?
Any other incidents orany other, anything else?
No, that's it.
But I do thank you for hearing mystory and letting me speak about
(15:37):
my father, who means so much to me.
Just, he still lives on in ourhearts, even though he's not
here, there's not a day that goesby that I don't think of him.
So if I, the chance the, yougave me the chance to speak
about him and I appreciate it.
All righty.
Thank you for telling us about it.
This is a remarkable experience andI really appreciate you sharing it.
(15:59):
It means a lot to me and it meansa lot to the people who view this.
I think that what it suggestsis that his spirit still lives.
Is that how you interpreted it?
Percent, yes.
That his spirit is still alive.
That's quite amazing.
Michelle, I want to thank you so much.
Is there anything elseyou'd like to add or,
(16:20):
No, that's it.
Wow.
That's an amazing story.
You're a phenomenal person, and thankyou so much for sharing it with us.
Thank you.
All righty.
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