October 21, 2025 • 39 mins
Prices don’t spike overnight, but they do spike. Bernie and Jesse connect the dots from tariffs and shutdown turbulence to the delayed price hikes that land in your cart months later. They outline how supply chains absorb shocks…until they can’t, and why unemployment, higher costs, and frozen programs show up on Main Street long after political theater fades. The duo also spot the moment when party loyalty cracks: when supporters feel it in their own wallets. That’s when phone lines light up, positions soften, and “no” turns into “let’s talk.” It’s a candid, concrete look at cause and effect, minus the spin. If you want to see around corners (and protect your budget), this is your playbook. Listen and share to help someone you love prepare, not panic.
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Coming up on this editionof the Joint Podcast,
it, uh, in the Senate they canfilibuster with a 60 vote majority.
Then ultimately it comes downto you need 60 votes to, uh,
to get it passed in the Senate.
And then once.
A budget is passed in the house andin the Senate, then it's sent to the
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president, and the President can signit or veto it, and then if he vetoes
it, it can be override, overridden, uh,by a, uh, two thirds vote, basically,
uh, uh, uh, the House and the Senate.
But, um, we haven't gotten to that.
Because the house and the Senatecan't agree because, uh, uh, there's
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no compromise, no resolution,
well, wasn't one.
Another thing
at the intersection of logic and truth,
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Welcome to the talk of the Times, a jointproduction of the logical lawyer with.
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yours truly, Jesse Lee Hammonds.
And although we approached the variousitems and persons of interest from
different backgrounds professionally,Bernie being a prosecutor and former
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Los Angeles, California AssistantCity Attorney, as well as a Hall of
Fame member of the John m LangstonBar Association of Los Angeles.
Just to name a couple of headliners andme, a longtime former manager of human
resources and corporate assets at theFortune 500 Company, at and t and former
Radio and International Club Jock.
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We have a shared commitment toclarity, logic, lawfulness, relevance,
as well as truth in every fact.
All brought together with realconversations amongst ourselves.
And with others about the times inwhich we have and currently live.
It's the talk of the times.
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Uh, well, for one thing, youknow, it's, it's still, we're
still, uh, at a shutdown.
Yeah, still it has set down thisbudget process is just ridiculous.
Uh, I understand that both sidesare fighting for what they believe
in and that's good, but, uh,unfortunately the people, the American
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people are, are, are sufferingand it's so terrible when you use.
People as weapons.
I mean, the president saying,if you don't agree to my budget,
I'm gonna lay off people.
And he actually carried throughwith the threat of laying off,
you know, thousands of people.
These are innocent people caughtin the middle of this whole thing.
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And he's using them as cons.
This is terrible.
It, it, it, it really is.
And, um.
And it, that's always the case.
The, the people are always caughtin the crossfire of these, you
know, these high powered, youknow, moves that people are making.
And um, and this guy, he just really.
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I don't, I don't know.
Is it that, do you think it's thathe just really doesn't care or is he
just truly evil or, I, I just, is he
female or what?
I think he's a bully and he'sused to bullying his way through.
He wants, it's gotta be his way or no way.
And that's it.
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And he's a bully and he is usedto bullying his way through and
he doesn't like to compromise.
He just wants his way.
And when he doesn't get his way,he just goes bananas, shall we say?
I mean.
He, yeah.
Uh, I was just gonna say, andnow he's in a position of power.
Absolutely.
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Yeah.
That he could actually, you know,exact his whatever, whatever his
whims might be, on whomever he wants.
To, you know, exact themon, and that's crazy.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
When you look at the process, basicallythe process begins with the president
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submitting his proposed budget.
Mm-hmm.
He submits it to both houses of Congress.
Congress reviews his budget.
They refer it to committees.
The committees start the reviewingprocess and they start the
debating process, and then theygenerally pass different versions.
The house passes one version, and thenthe Senate passes another version,
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and then they have to come together.
They, they create a conferencecommittee to resolve the differences,
and ultimately you wind up witha budget through compromise.
Right.
But if there's no compromise,there's no budget.
Oh, okay.
Now Vernon on that right there,did he actually submit a budget or
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was that big, bad, beautiful, bad.
Not beautiful.
Bill.
Something that came, uh, that thehouse came up with was that his, uh,
the president has to submit a budget.
I have not seen it.
Yeah.
But he has to submit it.
So, uh, I'm sure he submitted the budget.
They don't tell us what's in the budget.
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Uh, the one that he submitted,uh, we would assume that, uh, that
it contains what the Democratssay if they say that it's.
It favors the rich and, and it, uh, hurtspoor people and it hurts healthcare.
And, uh, the Republicans say,oh, they're giving away money
to people who don't deserve it.
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And so, you know, the battlegoes on and on and on.
But ultimately they need to compromise.
To resolve the issue, but I understandthe position of we cannot compromise
away healthcare for the American people.
And so I understand standing upfor certain positions and saying
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no on this particular issue.
There can be no compromise.
And so they're fighting on, andultimately, like we said in the
middle, uh, the people who werehurt, who were being laid off.
I remember being a, uh, workingfor the federal government doing
a shutdown many, many years ago.
Oh,
okay.
And not getting that check.
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You're working and you don't get paid.
You're like, okay.
That way.
Yeah.
Yes, yes.
Now the beauty of it was back thenwas eventually when you didn't
get paid, you got a retroactivecheck, which was nice, right?
But now he is threatening to take away theretroactive checks and for and for what
reason?
I mean, why?
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Just, just to hurt them.
He won.
He, yes, he has to get his way.
Oh, that, that's, that's the,that, that's the point, right?
He.
If you don't do what I tell you todo, that's basically the way he is.
It's like an old grandpaor or old mafia boss.
Yeah.
He says, if you do what I tell youor else it is just my way or no way.
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Literally a Don.
Yes.
And so basically it requires a majorityvote in the House of Representatives.
And it requires 60 votes in the Senate.
Now, ordinarily it's a majority,but because, uh, the, uh, in the
Senate they can filibuster with a60 vote majority, then ultimately it
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comes down to you need 60 votes to,uh, to get it passed in the Senate.
And then once a budgetis passed in the house.
And in the Senate, then it's sent to thepresident and the President can sign it
or veto it, and then if he vetoes it,it can be override, overwritten, uh,
by a, uh, two thirds vote, basically,uh, uh, uh, the House and the Senate.
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But, uh, we haven't gotten to thatpoint because the house and the
Senate can't agree because, uh, uh,there's no compromise, no resolution.
One thing, one anotherthing that's not happening.
The house is not even here.
Yeah.
Isn't that something?
They're not even here.
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They don't even wanna get in herebecause they don't want that 218, uh,
18th vote to, to happen like that.
Yes.
You know,
because, because once they, uh, squarein, uh, the representative from Arizona.
You know, they got, theygotta release the files.
Yes.
Ah, the files, the infamous files.
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Yeah.
The, the budget's gonna suffer becausethey don't wanna release those files.
There's a lot of dirt on a lotof people with those files.
Incriminating evidence.
Epstein.
Epstein.
Oh man.
Oh man.
They wanna bury that so.
Uh, we might be at thispoint for, for a while.
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Uh, I don't know how long theycan keep her out, you know?
Uh, I think, I think the attorneygeneral, uh, for Arizona is suing,
you know, uh, Mike Johnson actually,you know, to get that, get this thing
going because there's no reason.
Yeah.
It's terrible.
I mean, this guy goes towar, uh, uh, with everybody.
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I mean, he's at waragainst his own people.
He's at war against nato, he'sat war against our allies.
I mean, he's got, you know, tariffsagainst your, your, your allies,
your, your friends and, and all.
They don't pay their fair share.
And then it's the, and then they tryto define the issue and by demonizing
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the other side when it comes to like.
Democrats versus Republicans.
You know, historically we re canremember those days when Democrats
and Republicans worked together.
Sure.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Yeah.
They worked together and when Nixon didhis, his dirty deeds, the Republicans
said, oh, at some point they said, oh no.
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Right.
We're not gonna tolerate this.
That's right.
Even though he's a Republican,we're just not gonna take it.
And, and they cited with theDemocrats, uh, to take action.
Yeah.
But we're not seeing that anymore.
No, we are not seeing that in these times.
That
that's, that's, uh, history.
Literally.
Yeah.
Yes.
And, uh, uh, you know, and, and the thing,I think that as it relates to this budget,
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uh, we probably won't see any movement,well, anyway, until the house can get
back in town or whatever they get, andthey, they either swear this person in.
Or they find some other way tomaintain the majority or whatever,
uh, to prevent, you know, forced,uh, uh, uh, uh, you know, votes.
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Um, it, that's when theseprograms, that money has already
been allocated to and for.
Starts to break down,you know, the, the, yeah.
Uh, the, the things that already wentthrough appropriations, uh, committees
and everything, uh, when those programsstarted to break down and cause, you
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know, gridlock and, and, uh, and, andmoney and money, you know, to, you know,
start to become missing, um mm-hmm.
As far as revenue or whatever.
Uh, then because, because that'sthe only way that, uh, you can get
these people's attention mm-hmm.
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Is either by money or, or with somesort of power move or something.
Uh, because they don't seem to.
Hear anything else, uh, they're,they're even supposed to be Christians
or whatever, so, but, but they'renot trying to take care of the poor
or, or widowed or anything like that.
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And, uh, you know, they, they'dput Christ in jail, I believe.
Oh, I'm sure.
Without due process, of course.
Oh, no, no, no.
Due process.
Oh, no.
I know in, in an upcoming episodewe're, we're gonna be dealing with the
due process situation there, but, um,so, you know, then that's gonna be a
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juicy one for those of you listening.
That's going to be a juicy one.
You wouldn't hang around for that.
The, the due process, uh,from the logical lawyer.
You wait, it's gonna be great.
Yeah.
Yes, it will be.
We, we will make it.
Make it a hot, hot, hot topic.
But you know, the, you, we knowin California that Proposition
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50 is, is on the ballot.
Yep.
And they, they're trying,because Trump in Texas tried
to tip the balance in Congress.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, they said, okay,we're gonna gerrymandering,
we're gonna gerrymander.
I said say certain, uh,congressional districts.
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And, and just so people understandwhat that means, that means that they
draw the congressional districts.
In a manner that favors their politicalparty, that they re redraw those
districts and they, they re, theybasically redraw the boundaries,
right?
So that Republicans will win more, uh,positions in the Congress, will win more
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senatorial, uh, seats and win more, uh,seats in the House of Representatives.
And so that creates a position where.
People, uh, well, well you are basicallyfreezing the vote voting power of
certain demographics, certain people.
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And so actually I have to, uh, agreewith our Governor Newsom on that one.
Mm-hmm.
This prop 50 and at leasthe put it to the voters.
Yeah.
It
to say, wait a minute.
If you're gonna play unfair, ifyou're not gonna play the game by
the rules, that that will create asituation that more equitably represent
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all of the people's interests.
Then.
We're not gonna play that way.
And, and this was in, in, in a, aresponse to Texas's move, you know, to
uh, yeah, to, to rig their situation,to re uh, uh, uh, to re reassign, uh,
congressional districts and everythingand, and just chop everything up.
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What do they call that?
Uh, not, not fracking.
I have looked up that term.
Gerrymandering,
or, well, well, ger there's ger Oh yeah.
The gerrymandering.
But yeah, when they do that, they either,um, dilute a particular demographic.
Yes.
You know, or they, youknow, uh, uh, enlarged one.
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And, um, you know, so, so I thinkthere's a, a couple different,
uh, things going on with.
That Texas situation there.
But I agree with you, uh, governorNewsom and that move, and hopefully
the other ones will follow suit there.
I know there's different, you know,restrictions in certain states there,
like, you know, New York for instance, youknow, the theirs would be delayed until.
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You know, after 2026 or whatever,if they decided to do that, uh,
yeah, that's the thing.
It, it, it certainly canhave a snowballing effect.
Mm-hmm.
And a snowballing effect actually can be,in certain ways it could be devastating.
It, it remains to be seen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, I mean, California and New York, youknow, have such a massive population and
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in theory, uh, both of them re uh, redraw.
Their congressional districts, they canreally have a powerful influence on the
representation, uh, in, in a, in Congress.
But, uh, the other possible scenario,because, uh, is in certain surveys,
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it's found that the majority.
Of white people in favor, whiteinterest and vote against black
interest and minority interests.
Uh, there have been surveysthat have found that.
Now I, I don't know about thelegitimacy of those surveys.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
But, uh, in theory, if, if, ifwe have a snowballing effect.
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Where several states throughout the nationstart to gerrymander, the question will
be, what will be the ultimate effect?
That is, uh, will it, uh, resultin a situation that diminishes
the representation of minor?
Throughout our nation.
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And if it does, that would bedevastating because to the extent
that you take certain demographics,as you say minorities, black Hispanics
or Asians, and to minimize theirinfluence and their power, uh, in the
government, and you can get to a pointwhere they start to feel isolated.
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And not represented.
And if you get to that point, you cancertainly, uh, get to a point where people
become so discouraged that they starttaking radical actions, radical actions.
You know, another interestingdynamic of that is that, um.
These, that voting block actuallyvote against their own interests
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in, in many cases there.
Yeah.
They, they're, they're votingin an effort to try to, you
know, uh, keep the minoritiesmarginalized, whatever, however.
The, the majority of, of, oftheir voting block there are, are
they're, they're, they're affected.
That even more so true, especiallyas, as it relates to government
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programs and things of that nature,they're, they're, they're, they're the
largest recipient of it and they'revote against their own best interest.
Right.
You know?
Isn't
that amazing?
It's amazing.
Isn't that amazing?
It's really amazing.
So, you know, they can continueto gerrymander, gerrymander,
gerrymander, but, but after, at acertain point it's gonna be for Naugh.
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Yeah.
I mean, if you already have the majorityand you're already, you know, shooting
yourself in the foot, then what?
Yeah.
I think a lot of these people,they feel empowered, but what
they don't realize, in my opinion.
Is that the group that's reallybenefiting are the rich people.
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Mm-hmm.
I mean, that, that's in thelower class, whether you white or
black or whatever race you are.
Exactly.
If you're middle class or, or,or or lower class, you, you don't
reap in the benefit in generally.
That's
exactly right.
You know, I mean, yes, you couldgroup it in zip codes and that
sort of thing, you know, becausethat has, you know, a certain.
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Amount of facts there,but to your point, yes.
Is whether or not you're in, you know,a, a certain upper percentile or a, a
lower percentile of, of, of income, youknow, and, um, and, and, and, you know,
and the gerry, the gerrymandering itselfor redrawing of the districts, it's
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only temporary, at least in California.
It, it's temporary.
Um, I don't know if it's always temporaryor not, because I know when, if they
redraw our districts, uh, out here,they would be good until, uh, 2030.
Uh, our constitutionallows that, you know?
But I don't know, you know, andto, and to your earlier point.
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You know, what happens after that?
Is it something that wejust continually will do?
And I, I say I, I would think so.
You, you wouldn't have to, I mean,you know, especially as power shifts
back and forth, whatever, until theyget to the point that, you know, it's
just one party rule, you know, which,which I think is their goal anyway.
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You know, this project 2025.
This is one of the things thatthey wanted to do is, is diminish.
Not just, uh, uh, uh, uh, marginalized,but diminish, uh, any type of,
uh, minority representation,you know, in, uh, in Congress.
There they, they, they're targeting.
Specific, uh, uh, uh, minorities inCongress, they, that's part of the
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black caus They, they're, they'retrying to, to, to, uh, disseminate
that to, to, to dismantle thatorganization and their representation,
their, their representatives.
But you know what?
It's a little off subject, butyou wanna know the main thing
that irks me more than anything?
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What's that?
Drives me crazy.
There's a government shutdown.
Nobody's getting paid except for Congress.
No, that's on, that's on point.
I, I was, I was just looking at something.
You, you're on point therebecause it's not affecting them.
Yeah.
Is that fair?
I mean, if it was money outof their pocket, they'd be
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looking for a compromise.
Now I've heard, I've, I've read whatever,you know, certain congress, uh, men
or, and or women saying, okay, yeah,they're not taking their pay or whatever.
I guess they're what they'recalling up accounting and finance
and saying, Hey, you know.
Stop my check, you know, or whatever.
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh, I doubt that, but you know,perhaps, so bravo, you know.
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Yeah.
Bravo.
I mean Sure.
Sure.
That they're living off interestin dividends anyway, you know, so.
Yeah.
Right.
Uh, so that's not gonna hurt them to notsee a check, but, uh, for the average.
GS 10 or GS 11 or, or the GSnines and sevens or whatever
that are federal workers.
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You, you know, that canmean the difference between
a mortgage payment or not.
Yes, absolutely.
I remember when they were on strikeyears ago, I mean, not on strike,
but with, with budget impasse.
No budget and working for the Fed.
And I was, I was getting scared.
It was,
when you don't get that check and youdon't know how you're gonna pay your bills
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and you can't, you know, feed your family.
I, I remember just being like a, whoa.
Which, uh, which organizationwere you with back then?
Well, I
was with, uh, I was a. Research attorneyfor a United States bankruptcy judge.
Oh, okay.
I
was his research attorney.
And so that's a federal position.
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Mm-hmm.
And so it's a paid position anduh uh, I remember all the law
clerks and all the court personneland everybody go like, oh man,
wow.
Work it out.
Please figure it out.
Work it out.
Don't make us starve.
Because it eventually did though.
Right.
They, yes, they originally did.
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They did.
Right.
And we did get that retro check,and that was a nice retro check.
I mean, right now the Senate is made upof 53 rep, rep Republicans, 45 Democrats.
Mm-hmm.
And two independents.
That's where we're at right now.
And so you were talking earlier about,uh, how they're holding up the vote.
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It'll change the balance.
Uh, but it's just the country,I don't think, in my opinion,
has never been so divided.
And the unfortunate thing is that I don'tthink it's necessarily divided for, uh,
right and wrong or truth and justice.
Mm-hmm.
It's just them against us,or you know, we gotta win.
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Right.
The Republicans are like,in my opinion, we gotta win.
And people would say that theDemocrats are, we gotta win.
I don't think they are.
No, but
I think.
It should be about what'sright, that who's gonna win?
What is justice?
What is right?
What is ethical?
What is moral?
What is caring, what is lookingout for the American people?
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Not just, we gotta win.
You gotta do it.
My way.
All of that is, it is seemingly outthe window now, you know, and, and
the quote unquote Republican party.
Um, right now I'm just speaking, youknow, frankly and fact, Lee, there,
there was supposedly the, the party ofvalues and morals and this and that and
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the other for years, you know, but, butthey're not, they're not there anymore.
Uh, that, that party has, has gone away.
What, and to your point, yes, it isnot a, even about right or wrong.
They could care less, youknow, about right or wrong.
They certainly
can.
They just wanna win.
That's it.
It's just power.
It, it, it's almost as if, um, okay,they have an opportunity to, to resurrect
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the south, you know, to quote unquotesouth, you know, the, the Confederacy.
I'll just say yes, uh, because, you know.
That war was lost, but was it, um,you know, or, or what it's over with.
The Civil War was concluded, or was it?
There we go.
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You got it.
It's that part.
Yes, it's that part right there.
Right there.
Because in 2025 we find ourselvesdealing with the same things.
Right now, that's thesame thing, you know?
They're trying to squash the gains ofreconstruction and, you know, uh uh, and
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rewrite history and take away rights.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I heard someone say, orI read somewhere where some
very wise person said, well.
They wanna make America great againand we want to go back to a time when
things were great, do good for America.
And you say, well, when was that right?
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Was it during, was it during slavery?
I hope you're not talking about that.
I remember saying I like, or wasit when we had, uh, a massive
discrimination in our nation,
right.
You know.
Was, was it that time?
You know,
I mean, you can go on and on and on.
Sure.
About, sure.
When are you talking about whenyou had subservient classes or,
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you know, uh, but, uh, yeah,
you definitely can't betalking to everybody, you know?
Oh, exactly.
Because, because that, toyour point, that's the case.
Like, wait a minute, uh.
Yeah, I don't wanna go back to that time.
Thus the slogan, you know, I think itwas a pretty good slogan or whatever,
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you know, as far as, we're not goingback there, but they, they, on the
other side, they were saying, yeah,we're, we want to take you back.
We want to take you, wewant to take all that back.
I want that 14th amendment.
I want that 15th amendment, andyes, I want to really, you know,
uh, uh, uh, make sure that that 13thamendment is not shared by everybody.
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Yeah.
Yes.
And we don't need any kings.
No.
Yeah.
No.
They, but they want that.
They, they want.
You know, and that's,unfortunately, that's biblical.
Um, uh, the Israel, you know, they,they, the children of Israel, they
were, you know, begging for a kinglike everybody else or whatever.
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And then they got oneand, and saw and walked.
Yeah.
He, he, he ripped them.
He ripped them up, you know, and soif they, if they're asking for that.
With this guy, you know, Hey,we, we've seen the movie before.
It's, it is written in the Bible.
We already know how it's gonna happen.
Yeah.
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We already know how it'sgonna end, you know.
Uh, but in the meantime, back toour earlier point there, the, the,
the people are caught in the middle.
They're caught in thecrossfire of all this.
Yeah.
And, and what's the answer?
Yeah, unfortunately, uh, isthe, the answer is compromise.
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The answer is, is caring about people.
The answer is, is havinga, a sense of morality.
I mean, and, and theanswer is, is, is not.
It's not just scape guardingthe people in the middle.
I mean, like you said,the people in the middle.
The people in the middleis Israel against Hamus.
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Mm-hmm.
All these 53, 60,000 peopledead, most of them innocent.
The leaders of fighting and,and the people in the middle.
We're dying.
Right.
The Ukraine si.
The Ukraine is sim uh, similar situation.
Yep.
Thousands and thousands of innocent peopledead because these leaders are fighting
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because one man wants territory and theother man wants to keep his territory.
He wants to preserve his territory.
Mm-hmm.
And you know, so, but
it's always the innocent people.
It's
a sovereign country.
You know?
Yes.
Why not try to keep
it?
Yes.
Right.
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But it's always the people.
Even with terrorists, the peoplegetting caught in the middle of the
American consumers, they're the onesthat we're the ones gonna suffer.
Those prices are eventually gonna go up,and when they do, they're gonna skyrocket.
It takes a little while.
With to trickle down into the system, butthe prices are gonna go up dramatically.
(30:52):
Mm-hmm.
We're already seeing unemploymentgoing up dramatically.
The, uh, the economy starting to suffer.
I mean, all of this stuff isgonna, is, is having ramifications
and so it, it, it's going to.
It's, it's gonna keep on filtering intothe system and we're gonna feel it.
And I think, I truly believe thatthe American people, after a while,
(31:17):
they're gonna say, wait a minute.
We've had enough.
We've had enough.
What will it take?
What, what, what do youthink it, it would take?
Because, um, there's been a, a fewmilestones, you know, over the past,
let's say 10 years because, um.
Even while Biden was, was president, thisguy was running his own shadow government,
(31:44):
you know, from, from Mar Largo, you know,uh, and you would think that certain
things that he has done and said, andthose in his, you know, uh, regime have
done and said would be the last straw.
Uh, but it just seems to keep going on.
I mean, 77 over 77 million.
(32:05):
Voted him in, you know, whichwasn't a landslide or anything
like that, but it was enough toget him over the finish line.
Um,
yeah, I think when it starts to hurt thepockets, you know, as long as it's those
other people over there, all those otherpeople over there, they're being hurt.
We can deport all these otherpeople and on and on and on.
(32:26):
All those.
Tariffs, it's hurtingthose other countries.
But when it's starting and it's startingto, they're starting to feel it.
When the American people startto feel it in their own pockets
through even the Republicans, whenthey feel it, that's when they're
gonna say, oh, enough is enough.
And we already, already seeing,uh, Trump's poll numbers are, are,
(32:47):
are falling dramatically to, andthey're falling to all time lows.
And so people are starting towake up and say, wait a minute.
You know, we, we can't take this.
We didn't really vote for this.
See, Trump still thinks that, that,that the people support him and,
and that they voted for this, but
he's,
yeah.
(33:08):
They're saying, well, maybe we didwant you to do certain things to help
us, but wait a minute, now you're.
Starting to hurt us and the pollnumbers are starting to show it.
And as things get worse, you know,and ultimately, uh, the prices
are going to go up and it's gonnahurt everybody in the pocket.
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And that's when people are gonnasay, okay, enough is enough.
You know, there, there is oneexample, one, uh, glaring example
of that actually happening.
And, uh, let, let's see the initials.
Uh, MTG,
(33:50):
Marjorie Taylor Green.
You
have
me go in there for a
minute.
She said, whoa.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
This is hitting my son's pocket here.
There we go.
What's going on?
Let's, there it is.
Pump the brakes here.
You know what's going on here.
I didn't vote for this and, and I,and I was your supporter, you know,
(34:13):
but hey, no, this is a bridge too far.
I'm, I'm yelling now.
I'm yelling.
Get, get me off of here.
There we go.
Yeah.
And when, when, most of, when more peoplestart jumping off the ship and saying,
Hey, enough, enough, enough, there you go.
And that's when things are gonna change.
I'm
surprised to that point right there.
(34:34):
I'm surprised that, um.
Because I was talking with a, a couplepeople, uh, in a doctor's office not
too long ago, well, actually on Friday.
Um, who, uh, lived near, uh, speakerof the house, Mike Johnson's,
uh, uh, area or jurisdiction, uh,or district there in Louisiana?
(34:56):
Is it northern Louisiana?
I'm surprised.
That his constituents and, you know,aren't, you know, crying louder, you know,
because Louisiana is way down there on,on the, on, on all, uh, uh, uh, lists.
Yes.
And, and these cuts and thelack thereof of being funded.
(35:21):
Would hurt them, like,you know, immensely.
So I'm really surprised at that.
You know, I, I'm surprised he could
even go back home and say anything.
I'm like, man, are you kidding me?
I mean, you're shooting at us.
You think you're shooting atthe black people down here,
but you're shooting at us.
(35:44):
It's coming.
Yep.
So yeah, you hit I, I I think that's it.
I I, I I think you'reright on that for sure.
In fact, I know you're right on that.
No, I think you're right.
Well, we're, we're both right on that.
So when, when, when the, when therat stop jumping off that all, all
of them like, Hey, we're not goingdown with this over here, Uhuh.
(36:07):
Oh.
And then all the chickens startcoming home, the roost and everything.
Like, yes.
Yes.
Yeah, you, that's it.
We, we voted for this, butwe didn't vote for this.
Well, that's been a wonderfuldialogue with you, man.
You Yes, sir. You really hit it right up.
Hit the nail right on the head.
I, I just
wanted to give people some,some sense of a, where we are,
(36:32):
you know, what it looks like.
And, um, and some, some hopeto try to hold on to there.
Uh.
You know, there we go.
And that it's not just only them,you know, no matter what tax bracket
you're in, you know, everybody's gonnabe affected at some point in time.
And to, to the point that, that we triedto make there, that when it, when it,
(36:54):
uh, starts affecting the pocketbooksof all of the echelons there, and
people like Margie Taylor Greene, andothers like her in and out of office.
That's when we're gonnasee some change there.
That's when we're gonna see some movement.
And, um, you know, and, and that's,that's something to hope for, I think.
(37:17):
Yes, it's coming.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Uh, well, for one thing, youknow, it's, it's still, we're
still, uh, at a shutdown.
Yeah, still it has set down thisbudget process is just ridiculous.
Uh, I understand that both sidesare fighting for what they believe
in and that's good, but, uh,unfortunately the people, the American
(03:06):
people are, are, are sufferingand it's so terrible when you use.
People as weapons.
I mean, the president saying,if you don't agree to my budget,
I'm gonna lay off people.
And he actually carried throughwith the threat of laying off,
you know, thousands of people.
These are innocent people caughtin the middle of this whole thing.
(03:30):
And he's using them as cons.
This is terrible.
It, it, it, it really is.
And, um.
And it, that's always the case.
The, the people are always caughtin the crossfire of these, you
know, these high powered, youknow, moves that people are making.
And um, and this guy, he just really.
(03:54):
I don't, I don't know.
Is it that, do you think it's thathe just really doesn't care or is he
just truly evil or, I, I just, is he
female or what?
I think he's a bully and he'sused to bullying his way through.
He wants, it's gotta be his way or no way.
And that's it.
(04:15):
And he's a bully and he is usedto bullying his way through and
he doesn't like to compromise.
He just wants his way.
And when he doesn't get his way,he just goes bananas, shall we say?
I mean.
He, yeah.
Uh, I was just gonna say, andnow he's in a position of power.
Absolutely.
(04:36):
Yeah.
That he could actually, you know,exact his whatever, whatever his
whims might be, on whomever he wants.
To, you know, exact themon, and that's crazy.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
When you look at the process, basicallythe process begins with the president
(04:56):
submitting his proposed budget.
Mm-hmm.
He submits it to both houses of Congress.
Congress reviews his budget.
They refer it to committees.
The committees start the reviewingprocess and they start the
debating process, and then theygenerally pass different versions.
The house passes one version, and thenthe Senate passes another version,
(05:20):
and then they have to come together.
They, they create a conferencecommittee to resolve the differences,
and ultimately you wind up witha budget through compromise.
Right.
But if there's no compromise,there's no budget.
Oh, okay.
Now Vernon on that right there,did he actually submit a budget or
(05:42):
was that big, bad, beautiful, bad.
Not beautiful.
Bill.
Something that came, uh, that thehouse came up with was that his, uh,
the president has to submit a budget.
I have not seen it.
Yeah.
But he has to submit it.
So, uh, I'm sure he submitted the budget.
They don't tell us what's in the budget.
(06:04):
Uh, the one that he submitted,uh, we would assume that, uh, that
it contains what the Democratssay if they say that it's.
It favors the rich and, and it, uh, hurtspoor people and it hurts healthcare.
And, uh, the Republicans say,oh, they're giving away money
to people who don't deserve it.
(06:25):
And so, you know, the battlegoes on and on and on.
But ultimately they need to compromise.
To resolve the issue, but I understandthe position of we cannot compromise
away healthcare for the American people.
And so I understand standing upfor certain positions and saying
(06:45):
no on this particular issue.
There can be no compromise.
And so they're fighting on, andultimately, like we said in the
middle, uh, the people who werehurt, who were being laid off.
I remember being a, uh, workingfor the federal government doing
a shutdown many, many years ago.
Oh,
okay.
And not getting that check.
(07:06):
You're working and you don't get paid.
You're like, okay.
That way.
Yeah.
Yes, yes.
Now the beauty of it was back thenwas eventually when you didn't
get paid, you got a retroactivecheck, which was nice, right?
But now he is threatening to take away theretroactive checks and for and for what
reason?
I mean, why?
(07:26):
Just, just to hurt them.
He won.
He, yes, he has to get his way.
Oh, that, that's, that's the,that, that's the point, right?
He.
If you don't do what I tell you todo, that's basically the way he is.
It's like an old grandpaor or old mafia boss.
Yeah.
He says, if you do what I tell youor else it is just my way or no way.
(07:50):
Literally a Don.
Yes.
And so basically it requires a majorityvote in the House of Representatives.
And it requires 60 votes in the Senate.
Now, ordinarily it's a majority,but because, uh, the, uh, in the
Senate they can filibuster with a60 vote majority, then ultimately it
(08:14):
comes down to you need 60 votes to,uh, to get it passed in the Senate.
And then once a budgetis passed in the house.
And in the Senate, then it's sent to thepresident and the President can sign it
or veto it, and then if he vetoes it,it can be override, overwritten, uh,
by a, uh, two thirds vote, basically,uh, uh, uh, the House and the Senate.
(08:40):
But, uh, we haven't gotten to thatpoint because the house and the
Senate can't agree because, uh, uh,there's no compromise, no resolution.
One thing, one anotherthing that's not happening.
The house is not even here.
Yeah.
Isn't that something?
They're not even here.
(09:01):
They don't even wanna get in herebecause they don't want that 218, uh,
18th vote to, to happen like that.
Yes.
You know,
because, because once they, uh, squarein, uh, the representative from Arizona.
You know, they got, theygotta release the files.
Yes.
Ah, the files, the infamous files.
(09:22):
Yeah.
The, the budget's gonna suffer becausethey don't wanna release those files.
There's a lot of dirt on a lotof people with those files.
Incriminating evidence.
Epstein.
Epstein.
Oh man.
Oh man.
They wanna bury that so.
Uh, we might be at thispoint for, for a while.
(09:43):
Uh, I don't know how long theycan keep her out, you know?
Uh, I think, I think the attorneygeneral, uh, for Arizona is suing,
you know, uh, Mike Johnson actually,you know, to get that, get this thing
going because there's no reason.
Yeah.
It's terrible.
I mean, this guy goes towar, uh, uh, with everybody.
(10:06):
I mean, he's at waragainst his own people.
He's at war against nato, he'sat war against our allies.
I mean, he's got, you know, tariffsagainst your, your, your allies,
your, your friends and, and all.
They don't pay their fair share.
And then it's the, and then they tryto define the issue and by demonizing
(10:30):
the other side when it comes to like.
Democrats versus Republicans.
You know, historically we re canremember those days when Democrats
and Republicans worked together.
Sure.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Yeah.
They worked together and when Nixon didhis, his dirty deeds, the Republicans
said, oh, at some point they said, oh no.
(10:50):
Right.
We're not gonna tolerate this.
That's right.
Even though he's a Republican,we're just not gonna take it.
And, and they cited with theDemocrats, uh, to take action.
Yeah.
But we're not seeing that anymore.
No, we are not seeing that in these times.
That
that's, that's, uh, history.
Literally.
Yeah.
Yes.
And, uh, uh, you know, and, and the thing,I think that as it relates to this budget,
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uh, we probably won't see any movement,well, anyway, until the house can get
back in town or whatever they get, andthey, they either swear this person in.
Or they find some other way tomaintain the majority or whatever,
uh, to prevent, you know, forced,uh, uh, uh, uh, you know, votes.
(11:38):
Um, it, that's when theseprograms, that money has already
been allocated to and for.
Starts to break down,you know, the, the, yeah.
Uh, the, the things that already wentthrough appropriations, uh, committees
and everything, uh, when those programsstarted to break down and cause, you
(12:01):
know, gridlock and, and, uh, and, andmoney and money, you know, to, you know,
start to become missing, um mm-hmm.
As far as revenue or whatever.
Uh, then because, because that'sthe only way that, uh, you can get
these people's attention mm-hmm.
(12:23):
Is either by money or, or with somesort of power move or something.
Uh, because they don't seem to.
Hear anything else, uh, they're,they're even supposed to be Christians
or whatever, so, but, but they'renot trying to take care of the poor
or, or widowed or anything like that.
(12:44):
And, uh, you know, they, they'dput Christ in jail, I believe.
Oh, I'm sure.
Without due process, of course.
Oh, no, no, no.
Due process.
Oh, no.
I know in, in an upcoming episodewe're, we're gonna be dealing with the
due process situation there, but, um,so, you know, then that's gonna be a
(13:05):
juicy one for those of you listening.
That's going to be a juicy one.
You wouldn't hang around for that.
The, the due process, uh,from the logical lawyer.
You wait, it's gonna be great.
Yeah.
Yes, it will be.
We, we will make it.
Make it a hot, hot, hot topic.
But you know, the, you, we knowin California that Proposition
(13:30):
50 is, is on the ballot.
Yep.
And they, they're trying,because Trump in Texas tried
to tip the balance in Congress.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, they said, okay,we're gonna gerrymandering,
we're gonna gerrymander.
I said say certain, uh,congressional districts.
(13:52):
And, and just so people understandwhat that means, that means that they
draw the congressional districts.
In a manner that favors their politicalparty, that they re redraw those
districts and they, they re, theybasically redraw the boundaries,
right?
So that Republicans will win more, uh,positions in the Congress, will win more
(14:19):
senatorial, uh, seats and win more, uh,seats in the House of Representatives.
And so that creates a position where.
People, uh, well, well you are basicallyfreezing the vote voting power of
certain demographics, certain people.
(14:40):
And so actually I have to, uh, agreewith our Governor Newsom on that one.
Mm-hmm.
This prop 50 and at leasthe put it to the voters.
Yeah.
It
to say, wait a minute.
If you're gonna play unfair, ifyou're not gonna play the game by
the rules, that that will create asituation that more equitably represent
(15:04):
all of the people's interests.
Then.
We're not gonna play that way.
And, and this was in, in, in a, aresponse to Texas's move, you know, to
uh, yeah, to, to rig their situation,to re uh, uh, uh, to re reassign, uh,
congressional districts and everythingand, and just chop everything up.
(15:26):
What do they call that?
Uh, not, not fracking.
I have looked up that term.
Gerrymandering,
or, well, well, ger there's ger Oh yeah.
The gerrymandering.
But yeah, when they do that, they either,um, dilute a particular demographic.
Yes.
You know, or they, youknow, uh, uh, enlarged one.
(15:49):
And, um, you know, so, so I thinkthere's a, a couple different,
uh, things going on with.
That Texas situation there.
But I agree with you, uh, governorNewsom and that move, and hopefully
the other ones will follow suit there.
I know there's different, you know,restrictions in certain states there,
like, you know, New York for instance, youknow, the theirs would be delayed until.
(16:11):
You know, after 2026 or whatever,if they decided to do that, uh,
yeah, that's the thing.
It, it, it certainly canhave a snowballing effect.
Mm-hmm.
And a snowballing effect actually can be,in certain ways it could be devastating.
It, it remains to be seen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, I mean, California and New York, youknow, have such a massive population and
(16:36):
in theory, uh, both of them re uh, redraw.
Their congressional districts, they canreally have a powerful influence on the
representation, uh, in, in a, in Congress.
But, uh, the other possible scenario,because, uh, is in certain surveys,
(16:59):
it's found that the majority.
Of white people in favor, whiteinterest and vote against black
interest and minority interests.
Uh, there have been surveysthat have found that.
Now I, I don't know about thelegitimacy of those surveys.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
But, uh, in theory, if, if, ifwe have a snowballing effect.
(17:23):
Where several states throughout the nationstart to gerrymander, the question will
be, what will be the ultimate effect?
That is, uh, will it, uh, resultin a situation that diminishes
the representation of minor?
Throughout our nation.
(17:43):
And if it does, that would bedevastating because to the extent
that you take certain demographics,as you say minorities, black Hispanics
or Asians, and to minimize theirinfluence and their power, uh, in the
government, and you can get to a pointwhere they start to feel isolated.
(18:06):
And not represented.
And if you get to that point, you cancertainly, uh, get to a point where people
become so discouraged that they starttaking radical actions, radical actions.
You know, another interestingdynamic of that is that, um.
These, that voting block actuallyvote against their own interests
(18:31):
in, in many cases there.
Yeah.
They, they're, they're votingin an effort to try to, you
know, uh, keep the minoritiesmarginalized, whatever, however.
The, the majority of, of, oftheir voting block there are, are
they're, they're, they're affected.
That even more so true, especiallyas, as it relates to government
(18:54):
programs and things of that nature,they're, they're, they're, they're the
largest recipient of it and they'revote against their own best interest.
Right.
You know?
Isn't
that amazing?
It's amazing.
Isn't that amazing?
It's really amazing.
So, you know, they can continueto gerrymander, gerrymander,
gerrymander, but, but after, at acertain point it's gonna be for Naugh.
(19:20):
Yeah.
I mean, if you already have the majorityand you're already, you know, shooting
yourself in the foot, then what?
Yeah.
I think a lot of these people,they feel empowered, but what
they don't realize, in my opinion.
Is that the group that's reallybenefiting are the rich people.
(19:45):
Mm-hmm.
I mean, that, that's in thelower class, whether you white or
black or whatever race you are.
Exactly.
If you're middle class or, or,or or lower class, you, you don't
reap in the benefit in generally.
That's
exactly right.
You know, I mean, yes, you couldgroup it in zip codes and that
sort of thing, you know, becausethat has, you know, a certain.
(20:07):
Amount of facts there,but to your point, yes.
Is whether or not you're in, you know,a, a certain upper percentile or a, a
lower percentile of, of, of income, youknow, and, um, and, and, and, you know,
and the gerry, the gerrymandering itselfor redrawing of the districts, it's
(20:28):
only temporary, at least in California.
It, it's temporary.
Um, I don't know if it's always temporaryor not, because I know when, if they
redraw our districts, uh, out here,they would be good until, uh, 2030.
Uh, our constitutionallows that, you know?
But I don't know, you know, andto, and to your earlier point.
(20:54):
You know, what happens after that?
Is it something that wejust continually will do?
And I, I say I, I would think so.
You, you wouldn't have to, I mean,you know, especially as power shifts
back and forth, whatever, until theyget to the point that, you know, it's
just one party rule, you know, which,which I think is their goal anyway.
(21:17):
You know, this project 2025.
This is one of the things thatthey wanted to do is, is diminish.
Not just, uh, uh, uh, uh, marginalized,but diminish, uh, any type of,
uh, minority representation,you know, in, uh, in Congress.
There they, they, they're targeting.
Specific, uh, uh, uh, minorities inCongress, they, that's part of the
(21:43):
black caus They, they're, they'retrying to, to, to, uh, disseminate
that to, to, to dismantle thatorganization and their representation,
their, their representatives.
But you know what?
It's a little off subject, butyou wanna know the main thing
that irks me more than anything?
(22:03):
What's that?
Drives me crazy.
There's a government shutdown.
Nobody's getting paid except for Congress.
No, that's on, that's on point.
I, I was, I was just looking at something.
You, you're on point therebecause it's not affecting them.
Yeah.
Is that fair?
I mean, if it was money outof their pocket, they'd be
(22:26):
looking for a compromise.
Now I've heard, I've, I've read whatever,you know, certain congress, uh, men
or, and or women saying, okay, yeah,they're not taking their pay or whatever.
I guess they're what they'recalling up accounting and finance
and saying, Hey, you know.
Stop my check, you know, or whatever.
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh, I doubt that, but you know,perhaps, so bravo, you know.
(22:49):
Yeah.
Bravo.
I mean Sure.
Sure.
That they're living off interestin dividends anyway, you know, so.
Yeah.
Right.
Uh, so that's not gonna hurt them to notsee a check, but, uh, for the average.
GS 10 or GS 11 or, or the GSnines and sevens or whatever
that are federal workers.
(23:10):
You, you know, that canmean the difference between
a mortgage payment or not.
Yes, absolutely.
I remember when they were on strikeyears ago, I mean, not on strike,
but with, with budget impasse.
No budget and working for the Fed.
And I was, I was getting scared.
It was,
when you don't get that check and youdon't know how you're gonna pay your bills
(23:32):
and you can't, you know, feed your family.
I, I remember just being like a, whoa.
Which, uh, which organizationwere you with back then?
Well, I
was with, uh, I was a. Research attorneyfor a United States bankruptcy judge.
Oh, okay.
I
was his research attorney.
And so that's a federal position.
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Mm-hmm.
And so it's a paid position anduh uh, I remember all the law
clerks and all the court personneland everybody go like, oh man,
wow.
Work it out.
Please figure it out.
Work it out.
Don't make us starve.
Because it eventually did though.
Right.
They, yes, they originally did.
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They did.
Right.
And we did get that retro check,and that was a nice retro check.
I mean, right now the Senate is made upof 53 rep, rep Republicans, 45 Democrats.
Mm-hmm.
And two independents.
That's where we're at right now.
And so you were talking earlier about,uh, how they're holding up the vote.
(24:34):
It'll change the balance.
Uh, but it's just the country,I don't think, in my opinion,
has never been so divided.
And the unfortunate thing is that I don'tthink it's necessarily divided for, uh,
right and wrong or truth and justice.
Mm-hmm.
It's just them against us,or you know, we gotta win.
(24:57):
Right.
The Republicans are like,in my opinion, we gotta win.
And people would say that theDemocrats are, we gotta win.
I don't think they are.
No, but
I think.
It should be about what'sright, that who's gonna win?
What is justice?
What is right?
What is ethical?
What is moral?
What is caring, what is lookingout for the American people?
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Not just, we gotta win.
You gotta do it.
My way.
All of that is, it is seemingly outthe window now, you know, and, and
the quote unquote Republican party.
Um, right now I'm just speaking, youknow, frankly and fact, Lee, there,
there was supposedly the, the party ofvalues and morals and this and that and
(25:44):
the other for years, you know, but, butthey're not, they're not there anymore.
Uh, that, that party has, has gone away.
What, and to your point, yes, it isnot a, even about right or wrong.
They could care less, youknow, about right or wrong.
They certainly
can.
They just wanna win.
That's it.
It's just power.
It, it, it's almost as if, um, okay,they have an opportunity to, to resurrect
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the south, you know, to quote unquotesouth, you know, the, the Confederacy.
I'll just say yes, uh, because, you know.
That war was lost, but was it, um,you know, or, or what it's over with.
The Civil War was concluded, or was it?
There we go.
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You got it.
It's that part.
Yes, it's that part right there.
Right there.
Because in 2025 we find ourselvesdealing with the same things.
Right now, that's thesame thing, you know?
They're trying to squash the gains ofreconstruction and, you know, uh uh, and
(26:49):
rewrite history and take away rights.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I heard someone say, orI read somewhere where some
very wise person said, well.
They wanna make America great againand we want to go back to a time when
things were great, do good for America.
And you say, well, when was that right?
(27:10):
Was it during, was it during slavery?
I hope you're not talking about that.
I remember saying I like, or wasit when we had, uh, a massive
discrimination in our nation,
right.
You know.
Was, was it that time?
You know,
I mean, you can go on and on and on.
Sure.
About, sure.
When are you talking about whenyou had subservient classes or,
(27:33):
you know, uh, but, uh, yeah,
you definitely can't betalking to everybody, you know?
Oh, exactly.
Because, because that, toyour point, that's the case.
Like, wait a minute, uh.
Yeah, I don't wanna go back to that time.
Thus the slogan, you know, I think itwas a pretty good slogan or whatever,
(27:53):
you know, as far as, we're not goingback there, but they, they, on the
other side, they were saying, yeah,we're, we want to take you back.
We want to take you, wewant to take all that back.
I want that 14th amendment.
I want that 15th amendment, andyes, I want to really, you know,
uh, uh, uh, make sure that that 13thamendment is not shared by everybody.
(28:16):
Yeah.
Yes.
And we don't need any kings.
No.
Yeah.
No.
They, but they want that.
They, they want.
You know, and that's,unfortunately, that's biblical.
Um, uh, the Israel, you know, they,they, the children of Israel, they
were, you know, begging for a kinglike everybody else or whatever.
(28:38):
And then they got oneand, and saw and walked.
Yeah.
He, he, he ripped them.
He ripped them up, you know, and soif they, if they're asking for that.
With this guy, you know, Hey,we, we've seen the movie before.
It's, it is written in the Bible.
We already know how it's gonna happen.
Yeah.
(28:58):
We already know how it'sgonna end, you know.
Uh, but in the meantime, back toour earlier point there, the, the,
the people are caught in the middle.
They're caught in thecrossfire of all this.
Yeah.
And, and what's the answer?
Yeah, unfortunately, uh, isthe, the answer is compromise.
(29:22):
The answer is, is caring about people.
The answer is, is havinga, a sense of morality.
I mean, and, and theanswer is, is, is not.
It's not just scape guardingthe people in the middle.
I mean, like you said,the people in the middle.
The people in the middleis Israel against Hamus.
(29:43):
Mm-hmm.
All these 53, 60,000 peopledead, most of them innocent.
The leaders of fighting and,and the people in the middle.
We're dying.
Right.
The Ukraine si.
The Ukraine is sim uh, similar situation.
Yep.
Thousands and thousands of innocent peopledead because these leaders are fighting
(30:09):
because one man wants territory and theother man wants to keep his territory.
He wants to preserve his territory.
Mm-hmm.
And you know, so, but
it's always the innocent people.
It's
a sovereign country.
You know?
Yes.
Why not try to keep
it?
Yes.
Right.
(30:30):
But it's always the people.
Even with terrorists, the peoplegetting caught in the middle of the
American consumers, they're the onesthat we're the ones gonna suffer.
Those prices are eventually gonna go up,and when they do, they're gonna skyrocket.
It takes a little while.
With to trickle down into the system, butthe prices are gonna go up dramatically.
(30:52):
Mm-hmm.
We're already seeing unemploymentgoing up dramatically.
The, uh, the economy starting to suffer.
I mean, all of this stuff isgonna, is, is having ramifications
and so it, it, it's going to.
It's, it's gonna keep on filtering intothe system and we're gonna feel it.
And I think, I truly believe thatthe American people, after a while,
(31:17):
they're gonna say, wait a minute.
We've had enough.
We've had enough.
What will it take?
What, what, what do youthink it, it would take?
Because, um, there's been a, a fewmilestones, you know, over the past,
let's say 10 years because, um.
Even while Biden was, was president, thisguy was running his own shadow government,
(31:44):
you know, from, from Mar Largo, you know,uh, and you would think that certain
things that he has done and said, andthose in his, you know, uh, regime have
done and said would be the last straw.
Uh, but it just seems to keep going on.
I mean, 77 over 77 million.
(32:05):
Voted him in, you know, whichwasn't a landslide or anything
like that, but it was enough toget him over the finish line.
Um,
yeah, I think when it starts to hurt thepockets, you know, as long as it's those
other people over there, all those otherpeople over there, they're being hurt.
We can deport all these otherpeople and on and on and on.
(32:26):
All those.
Tariffs, it's hurtingthose other countries.
But when it's starting and it's startingto, they're starting to feel it.
When the American people startto feel it in their own pockets
through even the Republicans, whenthey feel it, that's when they're
gonna say, oh, enough is enough.
And we already, already seeing,uh, Trump's poll numbers are, are,
(32:47):
are falling dramatically to, andthey're falling to all time lows.
And so people are starting towake up and say, wait a minute.
You know, we, we can't take this.
We didn't really vote for this.
See, Trump still thinks that, that,that the people support him and,
and that they voted for this, but
he's,
yeah.
(33:08):
They're saying, well, maybe we didwant you to do certain things to help
us, but wait a minute, now you're.
Starting to hurt us and the pollnumbers are starting to show it.
And as things get worse, you know,and ultimately, uh, the prices
are going to go up and it's gonnahurt everybody in the pocket.
(33:30):
And that's when people are gonnasay, okay, enough is enough.
You know, there, there is oneexample, one, uh, glaring example
of that actually happening.
And, uh, let, let's see the initials.
Uh, MTG,
(33:50):
Marjorie Taylor Green.
You
have
me go in there for a
minute.
She said, whoa.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
This is hitting my son's pocket here.
There we go.
What's going on?
Let's, there it is.
Pump the brakes here.
You know what's going on here.
I didn't vote for this and, and I,and I was your supporter, you know,
(34:13):
but hey, no, this is a bridge too far.
I'm, I'm yelling now.
I'm yelling.
Get, get me off of here.
There we go.
Yeah.
And when, when, most of, when more peoplestart jumping off the ship and saying,
Hey, enough, enough, enough, there you go.
And that's when things are gonna change.
I'm
surprised to that point right there.
(34:34):
I'm surprised that, um.
Because I was talking with a, a couplepeople, uh, in a doctor's office not
too long ago, well, actually on Friday.
Um, who, uh, lived near, uh, speakerof the house, Mike Johnson's,
uh, uh, area or jurisdiction, uh,or district there in Louisiana?
(34:56):
Is it northern Louisiana?
I'm surprised.
That his constituents and, you know,aren't, you know, crying louder, you know,
because Louisiana is way down there on,on the, on, on all, uh, uh, uh, lists.
Yes.
And, and these cuts and thelack thereof of being funded.
(35:21):
Would hurt them, like,you know, immensely.
So I'm really surprised at that.
You know, I, I'm surprised he could
even go back home and say anything.
I'm like, man, are you kidding me?
I mean, you're shooting at us.
You think you're shooting atthe black people down here,
but you're shooting at us.
(35:44):
It's coming.
Yep.
So yeah, you hit I, I I think that's it.
I I, I I think you'reright on that for sure.
In fact, I know you're right on that.
No, I think you're right.
Well, we're, we're both right on that.
So when, when, when the, when therat stop jumping off that all, all
of them like, Hey, we're not goingdown with this over here, Uhuh.
(36:07):
Oh.
And then all the chickens startcoming home, the roost and everything.
Like, yes.
Yes.
Yeah, you, that's it.
We, we voted for this, butwe didn't vote for this.
Well, that's been a wonderfuldialogue with you, man.
You Yes, sir. You really hit it right up.
Hit the nail right on the head.
I, I just
wanted to give people some,some sense of a, where we are,
(36:32):
you know, what it looks like.
And, um, and some, some hopeto try to hold on to there.
Uh.
You know, there we go.
And that it's not just only them,you know, no matter what tax bracket
you're in, you know, everybody's gonnabe affected at some point in time.
And to, to the point that, that we triedto make there, that when it, when it,
(36:54):
uh, starts affecting the pocketbooksof all of the echelons there, and
people like Margie Taylor Greene, andothers like her in and out of office.
That's when we're gonnasee some change there.
That's when we're gonna see some movement.
And, um, you know, and, and that's,that's something to hope for, I think.
(37:17):
Yes, it's coming.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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