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June 27, 2025 • 67 mins
🎙️ Episode Overview
What if leadership isn't about control, but resonance? In this episode of The Pivot, Dave Schoof speaks with Sonja Blignaut about rewilding, untaming, and how to lead through complexity and change. They explore how to find your way in liminal times — when the old maps no longer work — and why resonance, embodiment, and imagination may be the skills most needed now. Sonja is a Wayfinding guide and complexity practitioner with 20+ years of experience helping leaders navigate uncertainty. Her work bridges natural science, art, and contemplative practice — weaving intellect and intuition, structure and emergence. 🎧 More about Sonja: https://www.morebeyond.co.za
🎙️ Learn more about the show: https://www.daveschoof.com ⏳ Episode Highlights
03:01 – The Liminal Phase: Collective Rite of Passage
07:48 – Complexity as Braiding
11:28 – Rewilding vs. Untaming
15:19 – The Disquiet & Existential Angst
19:13 – Embodiment & Breaking the Woo-Woo Barrier
24:40 – Bridging & Liminal Creatures
29:35 – Hope vs. Despair Oscillation
35:17 – Love as an Organizing Principle
37:57 – Science, Rationality & the Imaginal
40:45 – Wayfinding Framework Deep Dive
47:48 – Emergence & Fields
50:18 – Evolving the Coach/Guide Role
54:58 – Capacity Building & Resilience
58:44 – Future Directions & Retreats
1:02:20 – Enchantment & Integration 💬 Key Quotes “We are all in the flux… there's an ‘all in this together’ kind of sense.”
“Complexity means braided together — it doesn’t really serve us to keep things apart.”
“We don’t need more rational. We need more imaginal.” 🔗 Resources Mentioned Michael Mead (mythologist)
 Polynesian Wayfinders
 Glennon Doyle – Untamed
 Marcus Buckingham (Harvard research on love at work)
 Trish Blaine – “Airlock” concept
 Original music by Phil Schoof Production:  Phil Schoof
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