đď¸ Episode Overviewâ¨What if leadership isn't about control, but resonance?
In this episode of The Pivot, Dave Schoof speaks with Sonja Blignaut about rewilding, untaming, and how to lead through complexity and change. They explore how to find your way in liminal times â when the old maps no longer work â and why resonance, embodiment, and imagination may be the skills most needed now.
Sonja is a Wayfinding guide and complexity practitioner with 20+ years of experience helping leaders navigate uncertainty. Her work bridges natural science, art, and contemplative practice â weaving intellect and intuition, structure and emergence.
đ§ More about Sonja: https://www.morebeyond.co.zaâ¨đď¸ Learn more about the show: https://www.daveschoof.com
âł Episode Highlightsâ¨03:01 â The Liminal Phase: Collective Rite of Passageâ¨07:48 â Complexity as Braidingâ¨11:28 â Rewilding vs. Untamingâ¨15:19 â The Disquiet & Existential Angstâ¨19:13 â Embodiment & Breaking the Woo-Woo Barrierâ¨24:40 â Bridging & Liminal Creaturesâ¨29:35 â Hope vs. Despair Oscillationâ¨35:17 â Love as an Organizing Principleâ¨37:57 â Science, Rationality & the Imaginalâ¨40:45 â Wayfinding Framework Deep Diveâ¨47:48 â Emergence & Fieldsâ¨50:18 â Evolving the Coach/Guide Roleâ¨54:58 â Capacity Building & Resilienceâ¨58:44 â Future Directions & Retreatsâ¨1:02:20 â Enchantment & Integration
đŹ Key Quotes
âWe are all in the flux⌠there's an âall in this togetherâ kind of sense.ââ¨âComplexity means braided together â it doesnât really serve us to keep things apart.ââ¨âWe donât need more rational. We need more imaginal.â
đ Resources Mentioned
Michael Mead (mythologist)â¨
Polynesian Wayfindersâ¨
Glennon Doyle â Untamedâ¨
Marcus Buckingham (Harvard research on love at work)â¨
Trish Blaine â âAirlockâ conceptâ¨
Original music by Phil Schoof
Production: Â Phil Schoof