S1 Ep1: Welcome to The Player's Circle Podcast: Bridging Generations

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(00:00):
Man, this is the Player of the Circle podcast. We want to take this opportunity
to introduce everybody, let everybody know who they is, and how you came a part
of this. So we're going to start on this side of the room.
OG, man, talk to us. Let people know who you is, where they can find you at,
a little bit about yourself, where you come from. Real old school. I'm Mosby.
I do have a Facebook page, but guess what? I'm so back in the day,

(00:22):
I don't even know how to tell you to get to it.
You know what? One thing, I appreciate all of you because you're younger than
me. And you know what? I need you. Bridge me.
Let's make this bridge because there's some things that I got that you need
from me and there's some things I definitely need from you.
And you know what I'm saying? To make this happen because we are who we are.

(00:44):
We are each other, whether we want to say that or not to each other.
All this fighting and war, what we're doing is, see, we're in a system.
I love what you're saying.
We're in a system. We're set up. We're set up to fight among each other.
We're set up to fight each other.
No, I'm done. I'm too old to fight you. I want to listen to you.
I want to learn you. I want to understand you.
I want to fight because fighting is ignorance.

(01:08):
Fighting is ignorance. And they had to do that to us because we're intelligent. No, you're strong.
So I got to dilute you. I got to keep you on your knees because if I don't,
you overthrow me. See, this is my belief.
I'm in a foreign country, period. Period. And until you wake up to understand
that you're in a foreign country, you're going to keep chasing what they got

(01:28):
you chasing. That American dream. Please.
I've been there and done that. I've been an entrepreneur. I got a house. I've had that stuff.
I had that money. And I'm not saying that to brag or boast. I'm saying that
because it led to nothing.
It led to me still being empty.
That's what it led to. So I'm still searching at 66 years old.
I'm still trying to find what's the real way. what's up God because I want to

(01:50):
know the truth I don't need nothing,
you're giving me I don't need your money because where I'm heading I'm going
to need your money but at 66 right now I will say getting together with these
brothers and trying to achieve what we are trying to achieve bridging this gap this generational gap,
and really giving people some good games some good knowledge,

(02:11):
I got to give back it's time to it's time to be paid you're going to put it
into this world and I feel like everybody here got something to give back everybody
here and experience things in life, we can all take and give to some young men
that can help them guide and be better.
I feel like that's the overall goal of this podcast.
We're going to talk some shit now. It's a little evening at times, shit like that.
But I feel like the overall goal at the end of the day, each one of these gentlemen

(02:34):
sitting here have a story to share and we want to help somebody.
So like OG said, you can't find us on Facebook. What's your name on Facebook?
That's how they find you. Moe's Beats.
Mosby, we're going to get y'all on Instagram all day.
You can find him on the Player Circle podcast. Y'all trying to find me, right?

(02:58):
We didn't get it to him. It's one of them.
We'll put it in there. As y'all can see, he coming with all the energy and the knowledge.
I'm R.J. Martin. I'm going to come from the financial side. I'm going to be
a bit more quiet on this side of the fence because you see we got a whole lot
of talk and a whole lot of knowledge.
But I'm going to come and just get my game from my side of the fence,
which is definitely from the money side.

(03:19):
No niggas love money. So they're going to love you. Talk to us.
My boy Sick. Get with me, man. My name is Sick.
I do a little bit of everything, I think.
I say the connector. You're the connector. I'm the connector.
I'm that. What is it? You're the centerpiece. Look where you at right now,
bro. Throwing all this together.
Why let y'all know this? He ain't going to pop his shit. I'll pop his shit for

(03:40):
him. Young niggas, we pop shit. Oh, but he popped two, though.
So let me pop it for my OG, man. This is somebody who made this happen.
He put this together to all of these people.
I didn't know these brothers before this happened. He brought this centerpiece together.
He didn't know nobody before, but he brought this connection together,
and now we all here on a journey together. I said earlier, they made us compete.

(04:01):
This could have been one, two, three, four, five, six podcasts right now.
It's me. That's right. So I'm from Vallejo. I've been in Oakland the last 15 years.
And you know i you know i just know a little bit of everything and i
know i know damn near a little bit of everybody around here so
this is this same thing just like pulling everybody together for
this my vision is this is just also one

(04:22):
piece of a larger body of other shit that i'm
working on and other shit that y'all are working on and
you know i'm just waiting for everything to take off man so you
know this and i'm really excited about this because this is
the first thing that's really like we did it we did it we talking about the
hardest part the hardest part of getting anything moving is starting and this

(04:43):
today represents us starting and so i'm excited about today because however
it turns out we started and most people would have got ideas never get this far.
They just get back to it. You see, I came in. Throw the mic together.
We ain't got the cords. Forget the cords.
Do y'all know he didn't bring the cords today? No, I know that.
Think about it. You feel what I'm talking about? This. He didn't bring the cords.

(05:06):
Everybody knows him.
Everybody knows now. Everybody knows he didn't bring half of the stuff he was
supposed to bring. Don't even try.
We going to figure it out. Don't play me, man. Don't play me, man.
You didn't order the food. I thought you wanted to order the food.
You want to go to the bank and grab that stuff, bro.

(05:28):
Cut the check, man. Cut the check. You get a mail. Cut the check. Hey, man. Bo.
Talk to us, man. Bo, where you from?
What's going on, man? Bo. You can find me on Instagram.
Bo underscore diddly dog. D-I-D-D-L-E-Y. D-A-W-G. Born and raised in North Oakland. Oh, wow.

(05:50):
I'm strictly Oakland, man. I love my city, man. So even though it's moving in
a totally different direction, yeah, man, I'm here.
Like you said, sick. He's connecting everybody together.
I met all y'all. I feel like y'all are my family now.
And, yeah, man, I got a lot to say, man. I done been through a lot. I got a lot to say.

(06:10):
And I'm just ready to get it going. Let's go. We here. Yeah. Pardon me, man. Hey.
I'm like, this nigga on Spirit. And I was like, yeah, G, me or something. That's a good name.
He got a lot of LRPs that he put that P in player circle.
Talk to these people.

(06:34):
Y'all might want to hear this. PT the crate. The nigga you on the date.
Come on. Yeah, man. Come on. If she look my way, yo, chick, I'll go take break then shake.
Faster than nigga robbing the bank, man. Gone in 60 seconds,
man. Y'all talking about? Yeah, man, but I'm from Vallejo, California.
You know, they call, you know, my name is Anthony Partee, but they also know

(06:58):
me in the streets as PT the Great.
You know, so we learn how to transmute the negatives and the positives, though, right?
So that was my street name that used to be somewhat negative,
but PT the Great stands for prosperity training that helps elevate,
generate, re-educate, and transform lives.
So that's what we do here on the Player Circle Podcast, man.
You know what I mean? We transform lives, man.

(07:20):
You know, we're going to elevate you. We're going to educate.
Then we're going to innovate. Then we're going to show you how to elevate,
man. So you better come around, man, and pay attention.
You know, it's a beautiful thing, man, to be in a room with these brothers.
These are some very, very powerful individuals.
And if you can't see, then you blind and that's not our fault.
But if you keep listening, then, you know, we're going to wake you up. Dig that.

(07:41):
But with that being the case, man, we offer a lot here, man.
As my man, RJ, man, I'm real heavy in the finances, you know.
So one of the things that you are going to get from me is definitely a dose of the finances.
You know what I mean? And we teaching you how to elevate. We teach you how to
go get a bag, you know, because you can't be a player if you run around here broke, man.
So we definitely not trying to

(08:03):
create no individuals that's continuously broke but
at the same time everything is not about money the most important
thing is to understand that everything exists in the mind so once you understand
that everything in life is psychology and you get your mind right your life
will start to change man and you will be better at whatever it is that you're
doing but with that being the case man it's a pleasure for me man you know to

(08:24):
be a part of this situation and to be a part of this player circle man because
this is where we don't try to fit a square into the circle,
so let's not get it twisted, man. Come get with it, man. I'm going to holler at you.
It's good for my mama, man. I just seen him turn that bitch.
Hey, man. He got lugs. Hey, carry that bitch, motherfucker.
I want these niggas to today. They taking him for the lugs. He going to be dropping them. Hey, listen.

(08:45):
This is real bad air. We got Vallejo, and we got Oakland.
Y'all may know me. I don't want to introduce myself, but I'm going to do it
if everybody else did it. 9800 in Brookfield.
Lil Scooter, Lil Shiny Shine, D'Anthony, whatever you
may know me as drip damone jr whatever i'm
a man of many names i do a lot of things i've lived a lot of lives and
i owe it all to god i can say that i'm from 9800 in brookfield and i haven't

(09:07):
done it all i didn't yeah i didn't i didn't live this you know hey fast man
skip over there and i'm here i appreciate you doing something positive and it's
a beautiful thing and i can i love this part of life bro being able to say i'm
from 9800 in brookfield but i could connect with Vallejo.
I can connect with North Oakland. I can connect with anywhere.
That's a blessing that I want to share and I want all young black people to

(09:31):
know, bro, we can get together and do more than we can apart.
You know, 99.9% of our confrontations with each other as black men starts oversteering.
Over mugging over what you looking at motherfuckers speak
to me hey like famous what's up like like
what's up go a whole lot different directions

(09:52):
that's what i love
sir i gotta jump in with my man real quick
man because that's deep and that's a that's a
topic in itself right when we talk about if i'm
looking at you and you look at me and now
we have a confrontation because i looked at you right one

(10:13):
it shows the insecurity it shows a man not
understanding himself right and it shows that you don't really place value on
your life right because you're willing to get into a confrontation to show your
masculinity and that you're a man but guess what masculinity is not in it does

(10:33):
not I derive from violence,
man. I'm being dumbass when it comes to masculinity.
I feel like I could speak to that on every... I used to be that nigga.
You couldn't say nothing to me without me feeling like I got to pull up on you.
And I'm coming to... Why though?
When I was younger, man, I was 14, something happened to me.
It changed my whole life, man. They came to the house with guns.
They beat me with guns. My mama in the house. My little brother,

(10:56):
my little sister, my little cousin.
And I'm screaming. I'm just telling the people, don't kill me.
His mama is in the house telling him to kill me.
And I'm just like, yo, do what you got to do. Leave my mama alone. I didn't die that day.
I'm in a gang at this time. I'm in a gang. My older guy brother,
he gives me a chop and he gives me a shotgun.

(11:16):
He ain't saying what he going to do. He just, he gives it to me.
I'm expected to do what I got to do to avenge myself.
None of my gang members wanted to do anything to these people because they was
high-ranking members of a very notorious gang in our city.
So they didn't want no problem with these niggas. So I'm 14. I'm by myself.
And I have a gun, a gun bigger than me almost. And I'm scared.

(11:38):
And I can't tell the police what happened. When it happened, the police did come.
Everybody who did what they did was right downstairs in the house underneath
mine. And I couldn't say nothing. You feel me? Because of the no snitch policy.
I'm 14 years old. I'm a child. You feel me? And the niggas who just did what
they did to me, they downstairs right now, and I can't say nothing.
So I ain't saying nothing, but I'm scared. I don't know what I'm going to do.

(12:00):
But I attend church. I attend the Hope Center on 98th.
I go to this. And I go get baptized.
I don't know why, but I went and got baptized. None of my family went with me.
Nobody asked me to, but I went and got baptized, and I did that.
We ended up moving. Two weeks later, I see the gentleman who had the gun in
my mama's head, and I see the gentleman who was beating me over and over with
the gun. And I'm outside playing catch. I tell my mom, Mom, I got to leave.

(12:23):
I'm going to leave. I just didn't want nothing to happen to me there.
Because it was summertime in Oakland.
And these niggas had on black hoodies. You feel me? So I knew what that meant.
So I told my mom, I'm leaving.
And later on that day, I got a phone call that the one who was beating me with
the gun, the police took him into custody.
Because they was after them for a triple murder. And the other one got killed by the police.
I ain't had to do nothing. And karma came back. But it was just crazy.

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But why I was like that was because I was never going to be a victim again.
They were never going to do anything to me at all. Like, I was going to be hardy
before somebody ever did something to me.
I was going to do something to somebody. And I knew at that point,
them niggas, the only niggas, there's no nigga in this world in Oakland,
like I said, that ever did nothing to me other than them niggas.

(13:06):
But one of them niggas walked out because the nigga who was hitting me with
the damn toe, this homeboy, killed me.
He was like, kill him. And he was like, nah, this ain't cool.
And he walked out. Now, to this day, that nigga part of this gang,
and when he see me, he ain't never stunted on me. He ain't never told me,
oh, you a bitch ass nigga.
Respect, man, but respect. You feel me? Because, hey, I ain't telling nobody. Hey, I stood at 10.

(13:27):
You feel me type shit, but that made me just be like, you are never going to
do nothing to me. I'll do something to you before you do something to me.
And they put this, let's say the whole staring at you shit and saying,
you know, what's up type shit.
Motherfucker, you can speak and say hello. Change everything. thing
like this by speaking and saying what's happening
because like you said we all are each other how the fuck

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i'm beefing with you most times niggas be family you never know
mother gonna be connected somehow and nigga you going
through the same shit i'm going through bro you you broken you
hurt you angry at what's going on all kind of shit bro nigga you going through
you probably got angry at baby mama getting on your nerves too just like me
nigga we the same motherfucker but how can i hate you so much to the point to

(14:09):
where i want you dead that was always my thing i never want to kill nobody though
i always just want the insane you feel me but.
My people seeing where my people are that made me want to do like this i do
want to bring my people to a better place um i know you touched on your story
as well about how young you were when something happened oh yeah um yeah i was

(14:32):
i was uh the youngest murderer in oakland history,
in 91 and it changed
me it made me i'm gonna give you
some of the like some of the the parts that I
got from that too that I just couldn't shake
it just happened because time and distance do that to

(14:52):
you when I was in jail like my
foot you get that I don't cut you off but what led up to the actual
murder we led up to that okay well what well I was just out of control brother
he was a dope dealer in the 80s late 80s had a lot of money and I emulated that
shit and you know eventually as a kid, what you see, you want to come.

(15:17):
And so I started doing as he do, selling dope and running amok and still getting good grades in school.
But shit, I started skipping school and I can make $600 today.
Fuck going to school. You know what.

(15:38):
You know, I just got just too out of control at some point to where I wasn't listening to nobody.
I didn't give a fuck what was going on. At 12, bro. Think about it, 12.
Wow. Like, I wasn't your. You were a pre-team. Yeah. My baby's 12.
Right now. Hey, I wasn't even like. I was an 8.

(16:02):
I wish I could make 600. Let me say this.
Destruction was happening. There was a lot of people, young people killing young people.
There was a lot of young women having young babies that didn't know how to.
See, a woman can't really control a man.
You see what I'm saying? So this was starting to happen in our neighborhoods.
You had a lot of single mothers who was having boys who were turning into men.

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So you couldn't really say nothing to them. They were on their own.
They were wild doing whatever they done, even though church was there.
But there's also some in us where we struggle to listen and hear because we have to find who we are.
So in finding who we are, we're going to have that struggle,
that inner, see, if there's no inner peace, then you're outwardly trying to
find who am I and where do I fit in?

(16:48):
So I'm hearing Bo, because see, Bo from North Oakland and so am I.
We're coming from the same club. We're coming from, we're cutting from the same
club. It was a whole other generation. So you was what, 90? You said 91, 91.
What was you around that time, that same time? At 91, I was in my,
probably in my 20s, but the same thing was happening.
I was 12. When you were 12? In 91, yeah.

(17:09):
See, I don't know. The math, I can't think. That's what he said. Actually, I'm 66.
But that's what he said. He said you're older, so where were you?
In that moment, 91. Where were you at? North Oakland.
Southern Doe. Southern Doe. Southern Doe. Look, this is the point.
I love this. The point is, it's like, because there's a whole thing about single
mothers, but it's a lot of it has to do with the crack cocaine epidemic.
Yes. We got done. That's what I was getting into. But 1991 is the after.

(17:32):
It's as havoc. The streets are.
It started before that. It started way before that. It started before that. I'm saying by 91. By 91.
By 91. The highest recorded homicide rate in every city is 91, 92.
91, 92. Oakland had like 162 homicides. Right at the end of the crack thing

(17:53):
and everybody was turnt at 91, 92.
I mean, it's more of a story, but we'll leave that. We're going to get to that episode.
That's what I'm saying. But 91, you're running around. So, yeah,
I'm just running amok, man, and the crazy thing was it wasn't like I wasn't living in the projects.
I didn't have to eat syrup sandwiches.

(18:16):
I ain't had to do none of that shit. We always had a house. We always had the latest shit.
My brother, like I said, my brother was in the game, so we always,
man, school clothes, $1,000 to a 10-year-old, 12-year-old to go school shopping.
In the 80s, 90s, man, that's a whole lot of goddamn money.
I was always the freshest dress. I was probably going to go get these young

(18:39):
punk shit now. Yeah, that's a pair of shoes.
That's a pair of shoes. That's a pair of shoes. These are the type of shoes. Yeah. The money's gone.
Yeah. The money's gone. Yeah. The money's gone. It's been gone.
Right. The money's gone. And so, like, I just started being more and more in
the streets and started adapting to the street life and doing shit.

(19:00):
Didn't. So I was buying guns from dope fiends.
And that led to my ultimate decision of one day, take it upon myself to kill somebody.
And how it happened was his name was Mike, right?
He used to come to the neighborhood. He was a dope fiend, but not to like downplay
him, but it is what it is, you know?
And so he used to sell pagers and cell phones.

(19:23):
And back then, cell phones was like about 3,500 4G.
What? For the big brick cell phone. Big bricks. 91. 3,500 4G for a phone? Yeah, yeah.
What's nobody having? What's nobody having? Nobody had them.
All you drug dealers had them.
Anybody really had them? Get the fuck out of here. How the fuck do they have
cordless phones in the house?
Yeah, that was like... You got to go back to the 90s. Yeah, yeah.

(19:46):
You talking about a government sat phone is what niggas had.
For real or something? For real. It's been a big phone.
OG said he had one it was a brick it was a brick,
I carried it on the carrying case. It was a brick. It was in a big,
the battery was about that big. And it sat on top of the thing.

(20:10):
The phone? Yeah. Phone, bro. So, like, we couldn't, I couldn't afford it.
My brother, they used to, everybody that had money was buying the phones.
But pagers, shit, that was the shit. You know what I'm saying?
And so, everybody in the neighborhood bought a pager from them.
And they was all home and working. And then they got shut off, like, a week later.
So everybody looking for this cat like where the fuck he at man he took everybody's money,

(20:34):
and then he just fell off the face of the earth so one
of my brother friends my they all was like about six
years older than me and one of my brother friends brought him found him somewhere
and brought him to the neighborhood he was just getting he was getting whooped
by a hell of people all at one time and me want to be a hothead and about to

(20:56):
show who i am at 12 i pulled my little .22 out,
and started chasing him down the street, shooting at him. I didn't even think I hit him at first.
But then when he got to the corner, he fell.
And I was like, well, shit, it is what it is. And then next thing you know,
I say about 20 minutes later, it was probably like about 40 police on the street.

(21:17):
And I knew something bad had happened then, and I started freaking out.
So I ran around the corner.
I went through my mama's backyard, hopped a fence, who went around the corner
to her friend house, Pam.
And Pam was like, boy, what the hell wrong? Just like she knew I did something.
She was like, what's wrong with you? Why are you looking like that?
I was like, man, I did something wrong.

(21:39):
So she sent her daughter around the corner to see what was going on.
And she came back, and she was just like, police looking for you. I'm like, huh?
She was like, yeah, they looking for you. So they knew off the rip it was you off the rip?
Well, one of the neighbors, we shared the same birthday, too. She told on me.
It be like that. Yeah, she was like, it was him. It was a little badass in that house right there.

(22:02):
Hey, back in the day, the OGs was going to tell. Miss Youngblood used to be
able to whoop me, too. She had permission.
That was another thing, too, that's missing from today.
These kids today will cut your ass out, and people don't want to say nothing
to your kids. I'm firmly believing. Your kids around me, I'm going to say something
to them. I'll deal with you later.
I mean, you heard what he said. She said his little badass over there.
Yeah, his little badass over there.

(22:23):
It's still shit like that, but it's also, I mean, some things are different.
Now my motherfucker is really going to do something to Miss Youngblood.
I had a mission. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's going to do something to her.
It used to be a village that raised the kids.
Now it didn't win because now it's all individual so when I stayed in 88 village
88 kill city I tell if your kids your kids can come to my door get candy all

(22:45):
this shit I'm gonna fuck with all the kids just like I fuck with mine but if
I see them doing something I'm gonna get on your kid too I'll tell your little
ass and then send them to you.
If my if Miss Youngblood had to say something to me my granny was gonna fuck
me up just because I embarrassed her and Miss Youngblood had something had to
say something to me that shit He kept those old principles.

(23:05):
Those old principles that they kept. We went away from that.
And look, that's the thing, too, is my mama used to, like, I was never a problem in the house.
It was always outside of the home that I used to find myself in trouble just getting in the shit.
Like, our idea of fun used to be going to the lake and pushing people in the water.

(23:30):
You know what I'm saying? And then look, you was not in there,
right? My idea of fun was going to the lake and knocking people out.
We wasn't even robbing yet. It was called knockout missions.
We used to go to the lake and just punch people. See, I ain't never been the one to rob nobody.
We wasn't even thinking about robbery. We just was going. It was called knockout
missions. We going to the lake. That was our idea of fun. You go to the lake

(23:52):
and punch people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or walk around and unlock people's fences and let their dogs out to chase us. See, yeah, nah.
I was different kind of bad, but yeah, I feel you because that's the type of era that you grew up in.
You need PlayStation. Listen, I sound just like him, bro.
I didn't continue like him. I'm going to say, yeah, I want to know how he changed,

(24:13):
because you're getting to the point of how things changed because of,
so I want to know that people, what changed?
Gun Totem, Army Gun having ass little niggas, I want you to hear this shit.
Yeah, for real. You fucking, what the fuck is you niggas getting army guns from, first of all, anyway?
You little niggas ain't paying your mama no rent to stay in her house,

(24:34):
but you got this expensive ass gun.
I want you to hear what that shit do for real when it really get there,
when it's really time, when it's really time to go.
When it really, that shit really happen. Yeah, for real. You feel me?
So, let me speed up a little bit. So, I go to jail, and you can imagine,
like, I was not famous, but infamous.

(24:55):
Yeah. but they couldn't put me out there because I was a kid.
So they couldn't say my name and none of that.
But I was just a 12-year-old. You know what I'm saying?
Everybody was talking about the 12-year-old. I think it was KML back then. It was KSOL, I think.
That was way back then. Yeah, I was on every radio station, all of that.

(25:16):
And it was weird because it'd be cats in the van when I used to go to court,
and they'd be like, yeah, that's my partner right there. Not knowing it's me the whole time.
They're talking about somebody else. Yeah, that was my partner. He did X, Y, and Z.
I just be like, damn. Pumpkin ain't been around since the beginning of time, niggas. Me and Kathy.
Yeah, for real. Niggas and Kathy since the beginning of time. For real, for real.

(25:39):
And so, like, you know, going back and forth to court, and then when they told me 25 years of life.
Let's talk about it. That moment right there, how old are you? I'm 12.
12. You're standing there looking at a fucking judge tell you 25 years of the
rest of your life. What is that moment like?
Man, you talk about your heart falling in your stomach.

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Your ass, huh? No ditty.
But, like, I was fucked up. I was crying.
I was trying to figure it out. Like, what the fuck is going on?
What they mean, 25 years of life? I don't get it. I'm a kid.
You know what I'm saying? and so they are they,
charging you as an adult nah nah they charged me

(26:24):
as a kid but it's weird but I'll explain it it's weird
so that was the sentence that they gave me and his name was Sweeney too Wilmot
Sweeney and Sweeney yeah they named Camp Sweeney after the dude they named it
after him he had to be a cold cracker man he was black he was black too on top of that what,

(26:44):
that's crazy that makes your own sense yeah Big boy.
Got a damn house nigga, got even light skin.
He said your own people, he just murdered a nigga, I'm sorry.
He just murdered somebody, I'm sorry.
Your own damn people, you just murdered somebody. Come sit your ass down.
Come sit your ass down. In that 10 by 10, in the last quarter.

(27:08):
Come sit down in that 10 by 10, 12 year old, and come relax. Yeah, for real.
He just went from, listen you little army gun totem motherfuckers, to your people.
No, no. So they took me- To the order.
So they sentenced me to YA because my brother was so seasoned with jail, if that's a thing.

(27:31):
But he understood the game, how it go. He was like, you ain't going to do no
25 years. He was like, the most you probably going to do is seven years.
I'm like, nigga, seven years? Stop saying it so easily.
I'm like, I ain't never been away from my mama except for a weekend camping or some shit like that.
And you telling me I got to spend the next seven years away from my folks?

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Not trying to give your age away, but can you tell the people how old you are today?
I'm 45. Yeah, just so they know. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah,
yeah. And the greatest lesson, he told you seven. How much do you actually do?
I did 13 years. I was about to say, you did, yeah, because you didn't get out
until... Yeah, I did 13 years.
That's because I still had the fucked up mentality.

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First night, first night in that bitch after you get your sentence.
After I got my sentence? First night after you get your fucking sentence.
I think I might have been crying like a motherfucker because I didn't understand shit.
But then at some point, I just got numb to it. Hardened up quick.
Yeah, and I was just like, well, shit, hey, this is what I got to do.
I was like Going to YA Was like a big thing

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I was the only one Going to YA In the whole juvenile hall
And they was just like Damn you about to go to
YA That's like prison And all kinds So you really They really
glorifying That shit low key They in jail saying You going to prison Yeah For
real And then YA was bad Cause you know They got YA shut down They used to have
kids In the class And y'all saying YA People don't know what YA is So I'm authority

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Can you explain this Cause youth authority Is like basically If you did that
if you had like a serious crime,
it was basically like maximum security for youth and it was super fucked.
I mean, it got shut down. If you Google California Youth Authority,
you'll see all the fucked up shit that was doing the kids up there.
I mean, there's pictures of kids in the classroom that they still had to educate you.
Kids in the, imagine you got a desk like this and it's a cage around the desk.

(29:28):
That's how you're supposed to do your assignment. See, that's the new youth authority.
When I went- No, it's because these are figures that they start doing. Nah, yeah, yeah.
But when I went, I mean, to be honest, in a nutshell, it was like going to camp or some shit. Yeah.
And, I mean, shit, you still, you could have your, like, street clothes and shit.

(29:49):
You could get shoes and visit. We used to do all kind of shit, man, but...
Uh yeah that look at it no i never been to the pen why it was there for me i
had enough of that shit and i was just like you know what so what changed it
so so look so what changed this is what i was this is what i was trying to get

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to right so being away from your family for that long,
you kind of grow into your own person you don't kind of you do yeah and you
grow away from them So when I got out, my brother, my sister,
besides my mom, because my mom faithfully was coming to see me every weekend faithfully.

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So it made you feel the way that they wasn't. Did it make you feel the way?
It didn't make me feel the way. You just grow apart.
Yeah, it wasn't even that. It was just because my brother used to come when he can.
But 13 and a half. Then he ended up catching a fan case, and he was fighting a fan case for years.
Life still goes on. All kind of shit. Yeah, yeah. And I get that. I understood that.
But it's just when I got out, my big sister wasn't my big sister no more.

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And my big brother wasn't my big brother no more.
I was able to make my own decisions and think for myself.
And because ours didn't align, it was always conflict. To this day, my sister don't like me.
I can't see it if she still don't like me. Me and my blood brother don't speak.
Me and my blood older brother.

(31:19):
But this is my blood. This nigga was my hero when I grew up.
We came out the same, we came out the same womb, man, all of us.
And so. But jailer created a disconnect.
Yeah, it really created a disconnect. It created a disconnect,
especially with people who loved you.
My sister, she just like, a lot of shit that she say to me, it be fucking with my head.

(31:39):
But I don't let it consume me because she just be like, y'all fucked me up.
Because people. Y'all went to jail. People continue.
That's what it is. People continue right where they left off.
So you left her off as a 12 year old boy who was fucking up.
She can't get past a 12-year-old fuck-up. She can't get past it.
And any and every time that we have a sibling dispute, she bring that up.

(32:01):
Like, you did this to me when I was...
Eight or you did this you you wanted a
2024 but that shit
really fucked her head it shaped her that's she
that's her pain that's what her pain is her pain level stopped she loves you
so much when that happened now she can't go on she can't move because that pain

(32:23):
level that's what she's stuck at she's stuck in that because anytime a person
keep bringing that back pass up that mean They ain't went forward yet.
How do you ever move forward if we have a talk and we say, look,
we're going to move forward from here,
but then we cool for a year or two, but then whenever you start feeling the

(32:45):
way you're feeling, then you're projected on me.
Let me say this to you. Let me say this to you. Let me say this to you real quick. Let me say this.
I ain't going to throw the W word out there that ends in men.
You feel me? I mean, but it has something to do with that trade.
Like, because you know women, I tell you, they forgive you forever.
They going to never let that shit go. That shit different. That's different,

(33:05):
though. That's a different thing.
She's still a goddamn woman. But it's different. She could tell you,
brother, I put that shit to bed.
Brother, I love you. Put that shit to bed, like you said, though.
Anytime y'all get into it. But see, you got, but I said something, though.
See, this is different than this. So, I could tell you all day,
bro, I forgive you from here. and at that moment, I done forgave you.

(33:27):
But when it hits down here, no, no, no.
You effed me up, and I still can't move past that because if I don't get enough
therapy to get past that, then I'm still stuck.
My heart is still stuck, not here.
Here, oh, that's my boy. I forgive him. No, no. What can you do?
What can you? As me? What can you? As me? What can you do? You said it. Therapy. Therapy.

(33:50):
That's therapy. That ain't nothing new. That ain't on. But I'm saying,
like, Gene. That's not on you. That's not on you. He just said,
it's your sister. It's not you.
All you can do is love your sister because she, listen, listen.
There's some things that didn't hit you. I've heard you. That you ain't got over.
Here, you keep going because you keep moving past it, and you got to keep going.

(34:12):
But here, though, you ain't stopped.
See, we got to stop. We listen to people from here. But really,
when you need to listen to people, you need to listen to this.
This is the story, not just this.
We're dealing with a lot of trauma, right? Yes. And, you know,
a lot of times you may be dealing with somebody, right? Right.
And we don't realize they call it triggers.

(34:34):
Right. That you can trigger people. And because we so traumatized. Right.
You could trigger them and then they turn around and do something to trigger you.
And now you're not even because when you get triggered, right,
you go back to the exact moment that whatever it is is triggering you happened.

(34:55):
And so this is why she keep going back to you ain't you nine,
you 10, because once you trigger something or she gets triggered by something
that she says and she recalls it. Right.
Then she goes back to that moment. And so she's not even dealing with you as Bo now.
She dealing with whatever it was that she was dealing with. She can't even see you. No. Right.

(35:15):
Right. She's seeing the instance and she's reliving that player.
But you know what that do though? That, that like, and me being a person that
I am the person that I've grown to become. Disconnect. It creates disconnect.
That's how you feel. It's building. And I'm going to just steer quickly because
I don't want that. I cannot wait.

(35:36):
I don't want to be pulled down. Let's bring it back to this.
What kept you out? Because a lot of motherfuckers, it's a revolving door.
Let me tell you like this. I did my six like a gangster.
All the push-ups, all the shit. I did my six like a G and came home.
I ain't telling nobody. I could have told them the whole organization. Everybody knew.
Talk about telling them. But them six days changed my life. You hear me?

(36:00):
Them six days. Them six days, you feel me? Six days changed your life. I knew.
I can't do this no more, G. I can't. But you did 13 years.
Six days? I couldn't do it no more, G. It is six, man. It is six.
I did my six like a gangster. I could have told on all you niggas.
Just so you know, I could have gave a couple niggas up in Harlem, you feel me?

(36:21):
But I only gave them ... I ain't even give up no niggas in DC, but I could have.
But you did 13, then you said you'd come home. A lot of niggas let that shit
institutionalize them and end up back. How did you break that cycle?
For me, it was easy for me because- You went in so young.
Yeah, and not only that, I just knew that jail wasn't where I wanted to be.
I just knew that You know what I'm saying Like you could go from Doing a hundred

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miles an hour On the street Flying up and down the street Hollering at bitches Doing whatever you do,
To a sale And then everything stop You got on somebody else's drawers,
Consequences Somebody else's clothes They ain't gonna pick up the phone Stop
there right there Stop right there They ain't sending them paper Stop right
there You could be flying Doing a hundred miles an hour On a horse with a man

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And then you go to a sale And then you go straight to a sale It's all gone Partee
I don't wanna, I can't miss my dog, Partee.
Talk to us, man, cause I know you done been there.
I know you done been flying a hundred miles per hour with all the money,
all that. You ain't seen nothing. You ain't seen nothing. You know, you didn't. In a cell.
Yeah, man, it's a harsh reality, right?

(37:26):
Unfortunately wasn't as sharp as my brother Bo you know I I for a large portion
of my life have been the only bird that can't fly which is the jailbird you
know what I mean he's not a rare species you can find him right in the penitentiary
you hear me but it's but it but it's crazy because.

(37:47):
As a youngster right my life and upbringing was a lot different than a lot of the people that come.
From our community you know what i mean my grandfather's wife
who is is a white lady right beautiful spirit
man and she gave me a lot of opportunities man
i mean i'm a child i'm in mexico i'm traveling all
over the country all the disney onices and

(38:09):
the wrestlings and all the stuff that other little kids would
hope and pray for to have an opportunity i
had all those opportunities to go do those things right but
one of the things was it's very
very easy to become a product of your environment you know
what i mean it's very easy and don't get it twisted i'm different in
this sense too i was raised by my father you know

(38:32):
my father was around it wasn't one of them situations where i
was in a single mom my father was a single father but i
was raised by my father so i had the example of a
man how to be a man and what a man does
my father ain't been to prison my father was none of
that he a g now you know what i'm saying uh for sure
but at the same time he wasn't a

(38:52):
foolish individual out you see what he said right there y'all how he had
to clarify to y'all that my father was a g just because
he hadn't been to prison a lot of us motherfuckers think that the motherfucker ain't
been to jail he ain't with the shit he ain't no real nigga it's fucked up that
that's how low we think of ourselves bro you ain't no real nigga when i did
go to santa rita i got in trouble with a nigga and this is when i knew i couldn't

(39:13):
go to jail till i was Too cool for jail to COOL for jail nigga told me I had no pen scheme.
Nigga, you ain't, I'm rapping, Mac Dre in there. Y'all need to be quiet,
nigga. If you want peace and quiet, stay the fuck out of jail. Don't do crime.
Nigga, I'm rapping Mac Dre right now. That's what I'm doing.
Give me through my time. Nigga, you ain't got no peeing skills.
What? I don't, sir. I do not have any peeing skills, but that's how low we think it's at here.

(39:36):
Bruh, nigga, don't think a nigga ain't no real nigga.
And when I say men, like, because a lot of times we get this twisted,
and I'm going to get right back on subject. A lot of times we get this twisted about what a man is.
A man doesn't mean that you are trying to just commit violence on anybody that
you have some type of confrontation or conversation with. Right.

(39:59):
A man is an individual who is masculine, able and noble. OK, that's an acronym.
Masculine, able and noble. A man is going to do what he needs to do to protect
his family and provide for his family. So at the end of the day,
if that does mean, because I believe like Michael Meggs, right,
that I call violence intelligence, right?

(40:20):
Because I don't believe in nonviolence at all. I believe that it is a time to be violent if need be.
You know what I mean? Mainly for self-defense purposes, not just to be outstart trouble.
You know what I mean? They have to be of understanding.
But if you have to do what you have to do to protect your family,
then as a man, you have to do what you have to do to protect your family.

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Period Point blank And whatever the consequences is That is
what the consequences is But that don't mean Just a fool Don't mean go get no
gun Don't mean go grab no gun I'm not saying none of that I'm not saying that
violence You gotta kick that shit To these young niggas Exactly You gotta kick
that And let y'all know bro Like I said I was the foolish nigga I'm the tough
guy I'm here by nothing But the grace of God And I know that Yes sir I done
pulled up To many niggas neighborhoods.

(41:03):
Come outside I'm gonna fight you.
In your neighborhood, I done put up to a nigga mama house. Nigga jumped my little
brother at my mama house. My kids there, my nephews.
I felt so embarrassed that a nigga was so foolish enough to go to my mama house
and put his hands on my little brother.
I went to your mama house. Go get your son.
And I'm waiting. And I'm outside, and I don't have a gun with me.

(41:23):
I'm an idiot. I don't got no gun. I don't come in thinking that you about to
box with me, because I know how to fight.
I'm not ignorant that he is, but that's what we feel like. PT said in
the beginning that really the underlying cause of all this is
insecurity from you know every everything you share in
all your stories it goes back to an insecurity how do you develop the
insecurity even if it's valid insecurity is
insecurity right like this situation when it ran up in

(41:46):
the house or even this situation where you like i was embarrassed i thought
what you embarrassed because you got to think about you and
why are you embarrassed you're embarrassed that somebody did something
that violated a set of rules or principles that you
live by right and so because those
are violent but it's like what's your your worldview what's important
to you right and that's important to you and a

(42:06):
lot of it really goes back to the shit you said in the beginning but
it goes even worse than childhood it goes back to what you
said that you love was the institutions and the
system you don't got shit you don't have shit
listen listen no you don't own shit you don't got shit except your respect you
got all these non-tangibles respect honor and shit like that but so somebody

(42:30):
violates it It's worth dying over because that's where we are.
That's why I'm in the theater.
That's why somebody can be like, what's up, or stare at you,
and it becomes esteemed because it's like I'm challenging your manhood.
I'm challenging your respect level.
Because if that's all you really got, I read some shit from 50 Cent.
He said some shit. The people that's always trying to start shit,

(42:52):
you just don't got nothing going on.
You don't got nothing to lose. It do be them niggas. It be the broke-ass niggas.
But it's because it's not that they don't have nothing. I think it's because
what they have is, it's just this, you know, they don't have like- They don't value it.
Let me give you this. Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, no. Just a portion of what you're saying, right?
One of the important parts in there, right, is that if you are, think about this.

(43:14):
It's called time preference, right? But when you're dealing with time preference,
think about you having stuff.
If you've ever been in a point where you have something and you got all type
of stuff going on, right, you are not quick to mess that up.
And this is what the brother is saying so if I don't have nothing going on right,
nothing going on I don't have no business to attend to you know no family to

(43:38):
take care of none of the things that ultimately give a man.
His worth and value right then I don't have nothing right in that sense or I
believe I don't have nothing and so therefore I don't have no problem getting
into it but right now a lot of us have it and don't give a fuck either look
at all these rappers and niggas that get into,
It's how you think about it. It's how you think about it. It's how you think about it.

(44:02):
It's just like people that got kids. It's like I know people that got kids,
and they have to get there.
The only time they might come see their kid is if they get a call that says,
hey, you ain't seen your baby in three weeks. But as soon as they go to jail, what they do? No, no, no.
But the problem with what I'm saying is their mentality is different because
they're not thinking about I need to be a father.
If I don't see my kids, if I don't see my kids, it's a problem.

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So when I was going through it, when I was going through it,
I was doing some wild shit.
But my kids always kept me in somewhat check.
Even if it was how wild it was, there was always lines. You can't get wild, C. You can't get wild.
You can't get wild. Nope. Yeah.
We know.

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I don't know. Okay. I don't know. Sick. Y'all know.
You don't know the one we know. This nigga corporate to me. Hey,
you better remember that Young Jeezy had a saying, corporate thugging.
I don't know that. You better know that. I know.
You better know that. I got to tell the world, but this is one of my guardian angels.
My granny always told me I had guardian angels. This nigga has been a guardian

(45:08):
angel in my life three different times. I could say, like, he was sent.
Protected me and saved me in some way. My life changed right now.
I'm in this circle because of you.
Four times now, I can say. Are you listening to what he's saying?
He's telling you something.
Yeah. One thing that we really got to do, we really got to listen because everybody's saying something.
Hell. We want to be able to plan in. He's talking about being a man.

(45:30):
I still want to, you got so much to say. There's still so much stuff there.
We got to learn how to listen. So, two, these things can get out to those people who really need.
Because he said being a man. What is a man?
See, things and stuff don't make you a man.
You got to get off into this. Where he came from, he was a 12-year-old boy.

(45:51):
Man, I'm still interested in your story because, see, I am you.
I could have been the same. Hey, we on the same block. We on the same flies
on the walls, they say. We the same people. So guess what?
Man, we got to hear her because they need to know they struggling.
They got them phones, but they don't know.
They don't know what Bo is talking about at 12. Well, what 12-year-old?

(46:12):
You know a 12-year-old? Have you ever interviewed a 12-year-old that's been
in prison, that's been to jail, and then after he got out, where's his mindset?
Oh, no, he's got a lot more story. I got a lot more listening to do.
Because, see, I missed it, Bo. I should have been right where you was, but I didn't get caught.
And I ain't get caught. And that's going to be one of the things,
though, I think. This shit is going to be.

(46:33):
This is one of the things I think that makes this group special,
though. We are all from the same block, pretty much.
Can we say that? We can all say that like we all from the same block.
We can all say, literally, walk to school.
We walk to school going, passing each other. All passing each other,
going to school one way or another.
You got what you went through. You got what you went through.

(46:55):
You'll hear, we'll hear your story later. We'll hear mine. We all got different stories.
We all literally was on the same. Now, us three literally on the same block.
If we don't want one, two, three. We literally was on the same block.
So like, I didn't even know him in high school. Think about that.
We never spoke a word to each other in high school.
Me and Anna ain't never spoke a word to each other in high school Now think

(47:17):
about it We ain't never said nothing to each other in high school We never had a problem,
I'm a basketball team Bruh we all in the same circle I'm messing with it But
different we did different He was in the street for real He was doing his thing
He was in the street for real For real.
Bruh I'm a student athlete I'm a He said But he was always there.

(47:44):
But we knew. But we know what's up.
Graduated, all of it. But think about it. I'm a student athlete.
So we didn't really, we crossed. But it would have been no more than a head nod on a wound.
I'm not doing it. I got it. I'm doing it. He doing it. Literally.
I got stories around him, but not with him.
You see what I'm saying? We had classical. Remember, we was in the economics class together.

(48:04):
I used to see you in the office. I used to get sent to the office.
He said, I used to see you in the office. Hey, listen. We was in the office
all the time. Because I'm always getting in trouble.
His slick self always was able to get out of whatever he had. Whatever. Why?
Why? I got 3.8 defense. Thank you.
They didn't know what to do to me. They should have been like,
why are you over here with these motherfuckers? They already told me that shit, bro.

(48:27):
My granny used to always tell me this from elementary on. Go fuck what you do. Yeah.
Cool. So you don't just do that shit. I'm behind you. I used to love things
you want to call my parents. Go ahead. Call us. 632-1194.
But I say all I have to say. Do you feel me?
We all one we're not even a separate way we're not even we're one degree of
separate we're all literally one so he's saying what he's saying but what he's

(48:51):
saying to Bo like even after you Bo he's like thank you because like not thank
you but like bro you and then I'm watching him so I'm
watching him and I'm like bro thank you because I see what you were doing so
I didn't have to take like we all was together in the same thing so like just
to show everybody can go a different directions our paths are on drastically

(49:11):
differently though we'll.
Loved ones by learning from them bro like i learned each
one that passes i'm not gonna let you die in
vain if you made a mistake you're gonna learn from me if
i gotta look at your child watch you learn who
if i gotta look at you your child learn
who you are via facebook pictures and people telling them

(49:32):
i'm gonna learn from that if you gotta go to prison and i
gotta watch you post pictures of you and your
kid in prison and that's how you watching them grow up i'm gonna
learn from that because i don't want that that scared me
that's what kept me out after the six days not not
jail i fight i fight on the street so fighting in jail don't mean nothing to
me when i lied to my son and told him i was locked in a store because he asking

(49:53):
daddy where you at because he don't know nothing he don't know about daddy not
being at home that me me up like you said stomach dropping in i don't know this
is my first time catching the case i got five p's.
They telling me, oh yeah, you might get home and I'm going to pick it up.
You ain't, as long as they don't indict you, good, and then the indictment coming
on, I don't know what the indictment mean.
And again, and I'm spooked. But I told, all I did was, because you know you

(50:16):
praying like a motherfucker, I turned Muslim, I turned hella shit up in that
motherfucker the next six days.
Like, because I'm in there praying, God just, you get me out this shit,
I'll never again, you feel me?
Crazy thing, man, look, I never even, I never even been out of school.
I got, like, men, I ain't even, I didn't think I just fucked me up with that one shit.

(50:36):
I just fucked me up with that one shit.
I was going to.
Seven years. Brothers. Brothers.
I want the story. We'll do the whole episode on this nigga if he's being here.
We need the story. I was just saying, like, and you talk about,
like, shit fucking with your head.

(50:58):
Like, for every person I know, y'all probably know five or ten.
And like all the prom I've never been to prom none of that shit anything to
do high school dance none of that I've never been a part of none of that so it kind of,
It kind of fucked me up a little bit that I robbed myself for that at such a

(51:21):
young age. You know what I'm saying?
It was meant to happen, and it was designed to put you like that.
So don't blame yourself for that.
I mean, I got to. I can only blame myself. But you can't because the system
put you in that. The system put us all in that. We have to understand this is not your fault.
I don't care what you say, 12-year-old.
It ain't your fault because a 12-year-old don't know nothing about what you're talking about. Period.

(51:44):
12, I want to play with a toy. Boy, I want to, your environment caused you to
go that way. This is not your fault.
Don't grab that and internalize that to say, this was on me.
No, it's not. You were programmed and things happened to you that put you in that position.
Unfortunately, see, we've been done and nobody wants, you're going to have to
go back to the past in order to come forward to where you need to be when you understand this.

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No, no, bro. No, no, no. This ain't on you, bro.
This ain't you, bro. Too much, you know, big brother, right? This ain't you.
This ain't him. I don't want him to. See, it ain't him and it ain't you.
See, we've been programmed to be in these positions. And some of us didn't get away.
Some of us did not get away. And some of us had to spend the time to be reprogrammed

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again and again and again.
So don't fault yourself like, yeah, it was me. I did bad things. That's all you've seen.
What else would you do? You didn't get to see nothing else. You wasn't in Beverly
Hills. You wasn't up there when the kids went to school and everybody was safe
and nothing happened. Tell us, though.
No, no, no. No, no. No, no, no, he wasn't. He can say he was. He can say he was.

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But listen, that's different than what he's saying. We can talk good life, but no, it ain't.
There's things behind the scenes set up for you to fail. You want to play on
high. How do we fail to know good school?
What you saying? And even in that, right, when I say that, I say experiences.
Experiences it's a different because the experience is just a moment right

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so but my everyday day in and
day out is in the trenches tell me what i'm saying so
it's a difference i was exposed which is
better than not being exposed though don't get it twisted because who i've become
now i've reverted back to who i was always supposed to be right you feel what
i'm saying but in the beginning right the majority of my time i am who i i was

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with my my environment created Right.
The only thing that I want to say that I understand what Bo is saying,
though, too, right, is because what you're saying is correct.
The first thing we have to do is go back and recognize the problem,
recognize how the system created the problem and that the system is against us. That's important.
At the same time, I am not into not empowering people.

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The way that you empower people is for them to recognize their role in the situation,
because I can't change what the system has done. I can't change what the system has set up.
But what I can change, right, is my actions and everything that I do.
So once that on the gate, the fact that you can only change what they've done,
you can only change with the knowledge.

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If you do not have the knowledge, there is no change.
I told you I'm getting. No, no, I'm with you. And so this is why,
because it's important for these people to know these young people to know it's
important for these young people to recognize. recognize, hold on, man.
I need to pay attention to what's going on. I need to get knowledge so I can
start to make decisions.
Me going back to prison from this point on, right? I don't have no excuses.

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I know what's going on. I know what the system is. I know what they're doing today.
Before, right, when I was asleep, it's like walking around in a dark room.
If we turn off the lights, we got this furniture. Of course I'm going to fall.
Of course I'm going to slip.
Because, look, I don't know where I'm going. I can't see the path.
You feel what I'm saying? But now, once he sat down and he started to learn,

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it's no way. I don't care what happens.
If I walk down the street and a person just come out of nowhere and hit me in
the mouth, I have to look at what did I do in that situation,
right? What did I do in that situation?
You talk now, but what I was getting out of Boa was dead at 12.
Yes, sir. You ain't telling me at 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 years old,

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you don't know anything.
And see, I'm going to say this too. Yes, sir. I'm going to say this too.
Until a man speaks life into you, you don't know who you are.
A man also has to through God, but a man has to speak into you.
If there's no man, then you don't know.
Then you just go with the flow of what you know, what your environment has called
you. You see what you see. See, I always thought men had to have more women. That's what I see.

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I didn't see one man with a woman. I didn't see that.
So how can I reckon with that if I don't understand it? How can a 12,
see, you couldn't put nothing on, you couldn't reckon with none of that. 12?
Man, you should have been playing with G.I. Joe's. I'm trying to throw basketball.
That was the end of understanding the way you should have been. I knew it was true.
How did I not know that? That's the end of understanding the way you should

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have been. So what I'm saying to you is, don't take that 12-year-old boy,
14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and bring him up the boat. Bring him up here.
Can't do it. Nah, yeah. And that's not what I'm, if that's what I projected,
that's not what I was trying to. I was just saying that.

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I robbed myself of a lot of good opportunities. No, here, say that.
Repeat. He was robbed. I agree with him on this. He was robbed. No, no, no.
But he said, I robbed myself. No, that's wrong. He was robbed.
That's wrong. He was robbed. I was robbed.
You didn't rob yourself. No, no. Yes, they did. Yes, they did. Okay, look. All right.

(56:54):
Let's go. Let's go. All right, look. Let's break it down like this. Yeah.
So, my sister, my sister that I was telling you all about earlier,
We grew up in the same household. Yeah.
She graduated with straight A's, went to college, got a degree, two degrees at that.
She'd been a school teacher. She's the principal at, I don't know if she's the

(57:17):
principal. I know where you're going with this. At Parker Elementary.
But I'm saying. What you're saying is because she went two different ways,
your choice was yours. And that's not true.
The environment chose for you. Like, wait. And she got lucky.
But I didn't have to. I didn't have
to I don't have to I chose to You didn't at
12 You did not That's what you get I tell my kids You

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didn't have No fucking choices I tell all my
kids You got no fucking choices At 12 No no but listen What's
happening is What OG is saying is It's a system That's set up to I get that
So we get that right It is true That he made a choice That day That had a consequence
That was part of the system That
enough people Knew about That is true Somebody could have stopped him.

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Not in the 9th point. Let me finish.
Yeah, somebody could ask. Somebody could ask. Let me finish.
But to go back to his point is.
The real root, we go to the root of the problem is he shouldn't have been in
this situation in the first fucking place.
Rob Markman, The Twill. Rob Markman, So that's where it's not his fault,
because it shouldn't have been his fault. Rob Markman, He shouldn't have been in the position.
Rob Markman, He said G.I. Jones. Rob Markman, He shouldn't have been playing

(58:24):
with G.I. Jones. Rob Markman, He had to chrome those dudes. Rob Markman, Rocked on that chrome.
Rob Markman, In Beverly Hills. Rob Markman, I've never seen them, right?
Rob Markman, Put that over a little bit. Rob Markman, I fucking love y'all.
Rob Markman, Keep that shit. I said, put that table over here.
No, that table. Here's a little table.
I'm fucked up. It was coming through the mic. But you see what I'm saying?
I said, he shouldn't have. So it's like, you're right. You made a choice.

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You made a bad decision that day as a 12-year-old.
But you shouldn't have been in that situation. And you can't be like.
You zoom back. You step back.
This is what really fucked me up. When I started really learning shit,
just like PT talks about when I woke up, I went through Laos.
So I said, this is how life is. is I remember sitting at a dining table at UCLA my freshman year.
I'm with like 20 people, like 30, maybe might be 40 people.

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And we sitting there, and we talking, and I'm like, well, everybody talking
about their first fight.
Everybody got quiet. They said, first fight? I've never had a fight in my life,
sir. No, I've seen the fight.
I'm talking to them. I find out some of them never even seen a fight at school.
And I'm like, it just fucked me up because I'm now, that was my first time really thinking like.

(59:31):
Fighting since elementary. That's what I'm saying. So this is my first time
thinking like, oh, wow. People don't go through this?
What? And not even go through it all. They were like, that's crazy.
To fight his school? Who the fuck fights his school?
Hey, so I got one. But that's a crazy story. So follow what I'm saying.
But follow what I'm saying, right?
So now when you think about that, when you sit back now, then you start to look
at the date. You start to look at the numbers.

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Not even that. When we look at Vallejo High School, I was in a gate program in like seventh grade.
Then I was in honors. You was in honors too? When you look at the honors classes
and you look at the demographic, this is what I learned when I was fighting
for education access, right?
You say, so you're looking at who goes to UCLA, who goes to the UCs, right? Right.

(01:00:14):
They say that a public system should represent the public demographics.
So if the black population of California is, I'm making this up right now because
I can't remember. 12%, 13%. Too late.
12%, right? It's 12%. 12% of California is black.
If you have a public institution, a public institution should be 12% black.

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So UCLA's population should have 12% of students should be black.
It's like 2%, right? Then I said, well, but in honors classes, our school was 33.
It was like 30% black. It was like 20% black, 20% white, 20% Mexican,
20% Filipino, 20%. It was like that, right?
But in honors classes, how many black people was in honors classes?

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I was a year after you. I was the only. Veronica.
Me and Veronica. But you get my point? But you get my point?
In my year, it wasn't like that. You start to look back. So I'm like waking up and I'm looking back.
It reminds me of when you read Malcolm X's autobiography. when he goes to prison
and they start talking about what the white man does and he starts having all
these flashbacks to all these times where he's like, oh shit,

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that's what the fuck was happening?
I mean, every moment, every single moment of white supremacy that enters into
the picture, you start to go back and you start to reframe it.
So I said, oh, that's what was happening?
We gonna shut down first episode. We getting deep as hell. So I guess I'm gonna
close with this part and say, yeah, you made a choice.
You made a choice. You didn't make a choice, but it wasn't your fault.

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Because you shouldn't have been in a situation because once you zoom out and
say, this is not the reality for everybody.
Not only is it not the reality for everybody, it's your reality by design.
And when you end up in these situations, because it's not to say white kids don't do fucked up shit.
When they end up in the court system, they don't use this language,
but they say, oh, sorry, son, this is not for you.

(01:02:03):
We're going to let you walk. There's a white boy named Brock Turner.
His name is Brock Turner. The
rape nigga. The rape nigga. He raped a girl behind a dumpster in Frisco.
The judge said, this shouldn't ruin his life. They let him go.
They basically let him go. He did almost no jail time.
And he walked because they said, basically, they said, this is not for you.
This is not for your design. The system is not designed for that.

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And the choice that you say he made, he didn't make because it was always set up.
It was a ditch for him to fall in. We want more positive words around how you frame that.
Because it's not, I hear what you're saying, but it's the same.
We can't take away from this. We're not.

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So it's not the I, but it was like, you get what I'm saying?
What he's saying? He's a whole.
We're not taking it away, but it's just perspective.
You lost that time. You lost that time for sure. We standing back from you.
It wasn't your fault, though. So you saying, bro, I made a decision at 12 and I lost.

(01:03:10):
Don't say it's happening to him. I don't let you say it. Don't hold down on
anybody. I said I don't care.
And keep that pain with you. That pain don't belong to you.
You got to free yourself. She's just like the man talking about being a bird,
saying I'm just now being free from what?
From all this stuff that then came upon me that I couldn't let off because I

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had no understanding how to let this go.
So no, you ain't going to tell me this was me. You put me in this trap,
but I don't get out because you can't keep me.
I'm getting out. And for the rest of us, we got to get out.
I'm dead and I let my brother here who I love to let him sit there and say it was him.
No. I'm with him on that. No, there was a ditch sitting there waiting for us.

(01:03:55):
Now, see, Bo, I'm older than Bo.
Oakland? Now, let's talk. Because, see, I was a little boy playing basketball,
and basketball was there. Bushfire was the bomb.
We all tell the pros came through there. Everybody came through there to play basketball.
Everybody. Then it hit. I'll never forget. What happened?
The night it was, we won the league. I went to Oakland Tech.

(01:04:17):
We won the league to go to the TLC, the finals. knows. I'll never forget this.
My mother was an alcoholic.
She didn't have no money. My father was dead. Didn't have no money.
My sister was dealing with a dope dealer. He was a heroin dealer. I'll never forget this.
So I'm crying because all my boys, they got parents. They go into the city.
Everybody got an outfit and all this.
I ain't got nothing. So she tells me her... I can't put his name out there because he's going anyway.

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But anyway, this brother, this brother, she said, go to my boyfriend. He got you. So, okay.
I go walk upstairs stairs to the apartment.
He got a plate with a pile this high. I don't even know what it is.
I don't even know what that is. I don't know what it is.
But I looked at it. He had a pillowcase full of money. Full of money.

(01:05:07):
A pillowcase. Not just, I've seen a lot of money. But a pillowcase full of money.
He said, here, go get you something.
I met him. I met him dating my sister. So he had a 1969 Cougar.
The next month, he had a 1975 burnt orange drop top Eldorado. Cash.

(01:05:30):
Then about a couple months later, he had an SL.
See, then that's when the money. Because then his boys, that's when that money
started coming to Oakland. That's when it started hitting. Bam.
Everybody. Everybody black. They riding. Everybody black. They riding.
They love hitting these black people.
Because back then, you didn't have to do no taxes with the money.
You just, whatever you had, you see what I'm saying?

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So it hit thin, and then it just drained us.
It just sucked the life out of all of us. You understand what I'm saying?
Because now it wasn't about, Bo is my young brother. Let me keep him out of trouble.
It was about, you know, how much money I can get from him. You see what I'm
saying? Because, see, we were bowlers back in the day. Get to Bushwild, everybody playing.
Baseball, basketball, football, everybody playing.

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So then it went from that. $600 a day. $600 a day. You know what I'm saying? To a kid.
Of course. How much was they making, though? Oh, no, no, no.
How much they making? I got a boy. You may know him. I ain't going to say no names.
But anyway, he came to the house. We bleeping out. He came to the house,
and he said, what's that, man?
What's what? What's that with y'all? Man, I see y'all get money.

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I don't know how old he was, but I gave it to him. He went around the corner
and sold it. Man, come back.
Man, man, let me get some more of that.
Man, we got done. How'd it get here?
Like, how'd it get here? How do you think? How'd it get here?
We gonna leave that for another episode. That's a whole.

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We gonna come back. We gonna get him back. You get it.
How'd the nigga with the pillowcase, how'd he get it? Because the way, because the way.
I know somebody. You knew some niggas with planes and shit? I know somebody
who, they took him over in the plane.
They took him over. Hey, wait until that episode. No names, though.
No names. No names, though. Took him over in the plane to bring it back.

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So the only thing, as far as I went, I went down to L.A. and the dude had a U-Haul van.
A U-Haul van. I opened up the U-Haul van.
What got me was we were at Sherman Oaks.
Sherman Oaks Mall.
Pulled up in the mall. This is L.A. in the valley. Yeah, pulled up in the mall.

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He raises up Colombian, where he wasn't black. He raises up the U-Haul truck
from front to back, keys.
Keys. From front to back, keys.
So we throw him the money, and he throw us the count or whatever.
I think it was about 10, 15 keys.
He threw us the thing, but I was kind of shaking because— How old are you?

(01:08:04):
How old are you? I'm in my 20s.
He's still a kid, though, because he's in transitional age. This is in broad daylight.
This is what got me. It was broad daylight What Cause the other times I was
going back down there I met at people's houses Rich You know people But anyway Anyway This stuff came,
See See I'ma say this And then I'ma I need to listen I need to listen.

(01:08:27):
I'll never forget my last, this guy was dealing with me and I was giving this dude his drugs.
And he was so happy I was giving him this stuff at this low price.
He was so happy. Man, thank you, man. Thank you.
God had me tell him, I said, do you know what's really happening?
I'm killing your kids' kids that ain't got here yet. What made you tell him that?
You said that? I knew that back then. What was that? What made you tell him?

(01:08:51):
What the fuck made you? Because you was getting whatever. You see what people
get who don't get it. What made you in that moment say, Say fuck the money.
What made you say fuck the money? What if he were to listen?
I was tracing the money. Listen, I got folks. I got people that was in this game, not just me.
You understand? I was seeing the results of all this. This ain't real.
See, when I got in the game, I had to protect somebody. It wasn't about me making

(01:09:13):
the money. I didn't give a... Keep cooking. I didn't care about the money.
I had to watch my brother because I'm going to have to kill somebody.
That was the next thing I understood. It wasn't about how much money.
It wasn't the money. See, I didn't come... It wasn't about the money.
It was about, I don't want my brother to die in this.
See, everybody's laughing. We kicking. We doing all this. No,

(01:09:34):
I'm going to have to kill you.
Because I've already seen people. And you, we've already seen people die.
We boys right here, right now, like this. We drinking. We smoking. We doing this.
And the next minute, I got to put a gun in your head and power you.
You understand what I'm saying? I've seen that. I'm setting that. You understand that?
So, no. So, then when it was coming to me, he was telling me, no, this ain't life.

(01:09:54):
You kill it You kill it You kill it,
You're destroyed. See, you got this twisted. You keep chasing the bag.
The bag is a murderer. That's all they're chasing. The bag is a murderer.
They chase your dad. The bag is a murderer. Say that one more time.
The bag will take your morals, your... The bag is a murderer.

(01:10:14):
The bag will rape you and have you on your knees doing anything.
Let me interject a question, right? Real, real, real... Cook?
Oh, I can't wait to talk this up. Let me interject this question, right?
If you are a dog owner and you got a pit bull, pit bulls for the most part are

(01:10:36):
lovable dogs by nature. You know what I mean?
They also, a lot of them have that game spirit, so they have a fighting spirit, right? Right.
But if you are the dog owner, per the laws of our government,
and your dog goes out and attacks somebody, what is going to be the consequence?

(01:10:58):
You as the owner of this dog is going to be liable and held responsible for the actions of the dog.
So, because they know that the way that the dog got that way is through your training.
He cooking right now. They recognize that the way the dog got that way is through your training.

(01:11:24):
So, when the big brother speaks to you and speaks to us about the fact of this
portion not being our fault, right?
We have to look at the trainer.
Container we have to go back far enough right
to see how you got these principles
and morals how did you get this perspective why do

(01:11:45):
you act this way why do you think this way because
everything that you have right your perspective
is a remnant of oppression slavery and everything that has happened to you so
you've been made to be this way that doesn't mean that we take ourselves out
Out of it and just continue to go in that way and live, right?

(01:12:08):
But the fact is what we're seeing, the trauma from our people and your experience, right?
They turned you, in a sense, they turned us, in a sense, to these vicious,
right, individuals, right?
And all we doing, like the pit bull, is doing what we were trained to do,
as the brother said, what we were programmed to do.

(01:12:29):
And so, in all reality, if the owner is held liable for the dog,
then who's held liable for the actions that we've committed?
Who the goddamn trainer is when he get that? Who the goddamn trainer?
So, I know who the trainer is.
We know who the trainer is. It's the goddamn man. But what? I mean,
shit. Was my mama responsible?
No, no. Now, listen, listen, listen. This is the thing, though.

(01:12:52):
As we do that, because that's a beautiful question, right?
The one problem, the one problem with our people, right, is we look at a tree
and we say this tree is bearing bad fruit.
So we cut the branch off. That's your mama.
We cut the leaf off. That's grandmama. But the problem is we never get to the
root of the problem. So in order to get to the root of the problem,

(01:13:15):
you got to go back far enough.
Okay, your mama in the environment taught you this.
Who taught your mama? Your grandmama. Who taught your grandmama?
Your grandmama's grandmama.
Well, let's get all the way back to their teachers, though. How the fuck was
you able to get her to quit? Who taught them?
Not here to just say it, but that's the thing I want to add in.
All we listening is hella shit and all of the dopey ain't no dope. Cool, blood.
One thing I want to add in is one thing that's really important about the point

(01:13:38):
we're driving having it today, both of y'all's stories, you started off,
both of you prefaced it with how you were raised and what you had access to
because it's counter to the narrative, right?
Right. They say poverty, no father, all this shit, no male figures around.
But both of y'all had a lot of that. You tell me, I didn't have the one for nothing.

(01:14:00):
Both of y'all, right? Well, that wasn't necessarily my situation.
I had a father. That's what I'm saying. But the circumstances of what you're
saying, yes. It was different from the average, and it still happens.
It's counter to stereotype, which really, really solidifies the idea that it's
a systemic design because it doesn't matter if you have some of those things
because the design is there.

(01:14:22):
The ditch is dug for you to fall in, and so it doesn't matter if you have some
of those things because they're waiting to get your ass. And it's a numbers thing, though.
It's a numbers thing. It ain't about individual experience.
It's a numbers thing, and you got to understand that. If we get deep,
then here's what is things.
Does that have anything to do with integrity? Not at all. Manhood. What's in my spirit?

(01:14:45):
Not at all. See, that's what they did to us. Things. Things don't matter.
It ain't the things. They do things at us. It is not the thing.
Who am I? That's the thing. What did they use? Who am I?
Well, what they used was this. What did they use? They used rapper and athlete
and all that shit. Before that. Before that. No, no, before that. Before that.
When I took away everything, right? When I took away your name, right?

(01:15:07):
What's in the name? I took your name away. you
not none of us in here are called by our name last
name Bradford who the hell is that my last
name is part t man that's boring I'm not
a Frenchman so they took away your name they
took away your culture they took away your identity and so when they do that
when they do that and they take these things away from you right and then they

(01:15:37):
put you in in a state of destitution and desperation, right?
And so then they take you out of that and then they expect you,
they give you no information.
They give you nothing as far as wealth to be able to take care of your people
and they just free you and say, oh, we need a white man with blue eyes.
So now, right, you go along, you don't have anything as far as knowledge.

(01:15:57):
Now you have skills because we had skills when we was in the country.
That's not getting that twisted.
But at the same time, right, what happens is when you deprive people of something
and then you all of a sudden give them access to it, then we become the individuals
that say, well, I just want to show the world that I'm as good as you.
We try to be as good as someone, and we think that being as good as them is in material meaning.

(01:16:21):
That's a fact. We live in it. Every fucking day that we steal that river,
I'm telling you, we're just staying within ourselves.
Y'all ain't going to fuck with me, though. Yes, sir. Period.
You read that letter, you're going to know it. Because, see,
if it's that way, I'm going to have to apologize to you and tell you that I'm
sorry because I didn't perform well.
And we old and young ones that's watching this is an apology.

(01:16:45):
So now it's time for us to wake up our darkness and be able to put the light
back on us. That's why I'm here.
That's why I'm here. Who brought in the OD?
Who brought in the OD? You know who brought in the OD. I know who brought in the OD.
Don't get so far right.
I know who's going to be.

(01:17:11):
You know what I'm saying? My favorite. He was right.
I'm going to take my phone off a little. I'm going to take this.
Footprints in the scene. My granddad was a kid. My granddad was 17.
The most important person in the world to me is my granddad.
She spoke power to me. She told me, you're a leader at five years old.

(01:17:32):
There'll be no crackhead. There'll be no deadbeat. I'm five.
I don't even know what the fuck a jailbird is. I'm five.
But she was telling me that her Nissan Maximum, as I said in the first seat,
speaking right to me, speaking power to me, and telling me what to be.
And I just honor everything she do. And what she said was this, bro.

(01:17:54):
You here for a reason, brother. You in this circle right here for a reason.
It's going to be a young black man who life changed because of your story.
It's over in us, bro. Yeah, bro. Let me give you this. That's God,
bro. I love you, bro. I love you, bro. Next time I came back here.
We're going to let Bo finish it. We're going to run the bell.
The next time I came back, I was thinking of you, and I was thinking of you.

(01:18:20):
See, I don't just walk away from something and let it go. There's always something
that's going to get me. There's something that's going to make me go deeper.
What are we going to do here? Because we know. How are we going to lead?
We're going to lead by example.
Because now you'll see it in me. See, I don't need to say it.
You just need to see it in me. You just need to see it in me,
and you're going to know.

(01:18:40):
Because he don't need us to boast for him.
He made it up. So what we do is we lead by example. And let the self-conviction
influence. You follow what I'm saying? It's how we walk.
It's how we walk this out. If you saw that video, would you be told good?
Nah. You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? And you see what I'm saying? Yeah.

(01:19:01):
So I want you to wrap it up for us. You feel me? You got some young, good watcher.
And you got somebody watching. And you ain't say something to somebody that matters to you.
This nigga you want to hear is he want to get into a car and you know i want
you to talk to the who has fucked up you i felt right now he watching he don't
think it's the indy you just gotta like like in a nutshell man you gotta you

(01:19:27):
gotta lock in and and not let the the,
the street shit get to you quote unquote you
can't let outside influences like
control your decision making because if you do you
just going to lead down the road to destruction and like talking
to OG today I didn't even know I

(01:19:50):
kind of had a clue but this whole time
I've been locked in on myself like it was my fault you know what I'm saying
I pulled the trigger I did this shit I did everything it was nobody else fault
of mine but I was never looking at the bigger picture like damn and now that
you said it it just hit me like a It's like, fuck,

(01:20:11):
I was in the system, and it was set up this way for me to fail. And you was 12.
And he's not saying that he was 12.
You're not even. He's a great dude. I can pre-team. I'm fucking pre-team.
Isn't that what the 12-year-olds out here right now? Not allowed to use their iPads.
No, I can't. No cell phones. No, no. No.

(01:20:33):
Thank you. We're wrapping up. We're wrapping up. I don't know what y'all keep talking about.
No, I want this. I really enjoyed this today.
We got more good content to come. Y'all stay tuned in, man. And we gonna figure this out as we go.
You know what I'm saying? This is the first of the first Overland.

(01:20:55):
That's about it. You know what I'm saying? This is the man. We better move this.
We got to be the fun guys. I'm going to have a hotel.
I need to start a hotel. You know what I'm saying? We want to get it going.
You know y'all be welcome to the player circle man but uh this is a place where
we don't try to fit a square in the circle so y'all can feel comfortable we
don't how that is there yeah that was beautiful hey that was amazing that was amazing,

(01:21:25):
that was amazing that was amazing that was amazing.

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