EP 12 | Jamie Zhu’s Raw Story: How Fame Almost Destroyed Him - And Jesus Saved Him - The Salt Podcast

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There's a side to me you don't know about.
I had everything I wanted and I was still broken.
I know you said nothing's off limits, which is great.
After a couple of minutes or so,I'd feel my body tingling
everywhere. Is this making things worse?
And it was a statue with like myfull name, date of birth.
It was nuts man. Like it was insane. non-stop
travelling the world, getting paid to travel.
My phone was like a metre away from my ear because he was

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shouting, screaming. You think you're an octopus?
Wow, that's beautiful. See, all she did was she put her
two hands like this on the back of my head.
Demonic attachments or evil spirits or black magic.
I want you to go into your wardrobe and find a T-shirt that
you don't wear very often. I'm just cursed like the devil
must be real now, like because my team and I have been praying
for you. I made a video the other day

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talking about how they're only two genders.
I was really corrupted in many areas.
You know the most horrible, disgusting emotion I've ever
felt in my life. This.
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And because that's what Jesus called me to do, the Lord makes
you that salt of the earth. We need Christians to share the

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May this podcast be a beacon of light.
This is the Salt podcast. Welcome to the Salt Podcast.
My name is Simon Thomas Gilter and joining me today is my
amazing Co host, Georgia Skander.
And today we have an unbelievable episode planned for

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you. However, before we start that we
just want to say to you guys, thank you so much for the
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helps us. So with that being said, today's
guest doesn't need introduction.However, if I have to, I will.
He's a viral content creator turned Christ's follow up from
comedy and millions of views to battling depression, demonic
attacks and finding freedom in Jesus.
His story is raw, powerful and real.
Welcome to the Salt podcast. Jaime Zu.

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Welcome. Thank you guys.
Lovely to be here. I don't come to South Sydney
very often actually. So there's a I just revealed
your location. Sorry my.
Bad. Thank you so much.
Lovely to have you. Beautiful.
Now we're gonna just straight dive into it, OK?
We for the viewers that obviously may know you, for the
ones that don't know you, can you tell us a little bit about

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yourself, please, Jamie? Yeah, for sure.
So basically, you know, I'm fromSydney.
I grew up in Chatswood and my whole life I grew up quite
atheist. So Chinese father and then sort
of Hungarian Australian mum. I didn't know the Lord when I
was growing up and kind of just got consumed by wilderness, you
know, chasing the fame, chasing the materialism, chasing the
women. And yeah, that sort of led me
into wanting to become a professional soccer player.

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So I tried my luck in the UK, inSerbia, in sort of MPL in
Australia, and it came to a point where I just realized
that, you know what, like this isn't for me anymore.
So then found YouTube very earlyon, sort of 20/13/2014 and just
felt like this was the way for me to go forward and saw these
guys doing all these prank videos and yeah, jumped on
board. Next thing I know, I kind of got

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like millions of followers on social media, find myself
trapped in this sort of social media lifestyle with basically
gaining the whole world, but losing my soul in the process.
And then, yeah, got demonically possessed in 2021 and then found
found the Lord out later that year.
So never been better. And yeah, just God is very
gracious to sinners as well. You know, the ones that you feel

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like will be left behind, often the ones that he picks up.
So. Wow, what a great summary.
Summarised a bit of. A Now that's that's fantastic.
Thank you for sharing that. And I know you said nothing's
off limits, which is great. So we want to dive a little bit
deeper into that. So can you tell us when you were
at your absolute peak success? Like what was the kind of
lifestyle that you were living? Good question, man.

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So look, I guess people have to realize that like I started
social media very early on. So I was like sort of second era
Australia, you could say. So first year you you would, I
guess identify as, you know, super wog my chonny, the
Janoskians, all these sorts of guys that you guys may remember.
And then once I guess YouTube was it wasn't established here,

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but it was kind of one of those things where it was popping off.
People were starting to watch videos.
Then that's when I came in. So I guess for me to answer your
question, success for me came, Iwould say two years after I
started. So in the first two years I was
making content, nothing was happening.
I was posting all these videos, you know, just getting by.
I was a pizza delivery driver, Iwas on Centrelink, I was working

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at childcare and I was at uni aswell.
So nothing was happening. And I think when everything
changed was actually when I found Facebook in 2016.
And there was a guy, you might you might know him.
His name is Jackson O Doherty, another sort of prank dude.
Yeah. So he hit me up and he goes,
hey, bro, I love your videos. You know, we should collab.
And this was when Facebook just allowed videos on the platform.
So 2016. And I ended up jumping on as

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well. And I found instant, I guess,
success on there. So I guess to answer your
question, it was nuts, man. Like, it was insane.
And I always say that when you get to a point where all these
millions of people know you, butyou don't know them, it
completely changes your brain. And it was something that I
always was aspiring to achieve, you know, being famous and and

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rich and have all these women. And it was only that I aspired
to have these things because of what society told me was success
as a man. And so it's funny because when I
had these things, I was brought like I was partying non-stop.
I'd go anywhere in Australia or Southeast Asia and just get
mobbed on the street. You know, I'd be places where
I'd get, I'd have to get pulled out by security because it was

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just too wild in there. I could sort of like, you know,
and I'm not saying this to boastand, and I'm watching my heart
when I, when I tell my testimony, of course, but just
to give you guys a picture of what my life was like.
It was what every man aspires tohave essentially.
You know, the DMS were flooded with girls and I could sort of
get whatever I wanted. The money was rolling in, had
the car apartment. And it was funny because I had

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aspired to have these things my entire life.
And then I remember just this one day, like I realized I had
it all and I'm like, but why am I still depressed?
Why am I still broken? Why, why am I still anxious?
Why do I still hate my life? Why am I still unfulfilled?
And it was a moment where I was like, you know what, like maybe
there's more to life, but I can't see it.
And so my life back then, man, it was just nuts.

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It was just non-stop travelling the world, getting paid to
travel. I had everything I wanted and I
was still broken so. Let me go back a little bit.
So you have a Chinese father. So this kind of lifestyle that
you were doing, like usually, you know, Chinese father, we
have Egyptian parents. So we know they like you to be
really studious and study and and what did he think about you

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going down this path and following this content creating
career? Oh, man.
So I guess growing up with a Chinese dad, it was a blessing
and a curse that he wasn't living in Australia with me
because my parents got divorced at four years old when I was 4.
When he went back to China, we'dstill be in touch with Speaker
on the phone every night. But he wanted me to obviously,
Yeah, as you said, like, be a doctor or a lawyer or someone
like that. Exactly.

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Right. And so I always knew in my heart
that I was kind of destined to do something else rather than
that. And so when I told him like I
wanted to make videos for a living, it was actually straight
after I decided to quit professional trying to be a
professional footballer. So I was pursuing that for nine
years and I found myself in the UK by myself for about 12

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months. And when I found YouTube, I go
to myself now like this, is it like I'm quitting soccer?
I'm going to go back to Australia and just pursue
YouTube. So I actually didn't even tell
my dad I quit until I got back to Australia.
And I remember calling my dad and I said, you know, I just
want to let you know that I'm actually pursuing social media
videos for a living. And I think this is the next big

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thing. And I can see how far it's going
to go. And I feel like I'm just meant
for this. And bro, he just went off for
two hours on the phone. Like my, my phone was like a
meter away from my ear because he was shouting, screaming.
And it's for two reasons. The first reason is because,
yes, he's obviously a Chinese parent.
You know what sort of like ethnic parents are like, they
want the best for their kids andthey feel like anything besides

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the normal create chaos in theirlives.
But the second reason is becausemy dad, I'm not sure if you guys
know this, but he was actually afilm director and an actor for
40 years. Oh, wow.
So that was his profession. So he thought to himself that if
I was to enter the entertainmentindustry, it'd be exactly like
it was for him in China. And China, bro, 2-3 billion
people. Now, of course, it's going to be
hard to succeed. And he did.

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He, he was actually one of the top 100 directors in the entire
country. So he was very successful.
But I think having said that, heknew the intricacies and the
risks of getting into that lifestyle.
So he wasn't approving at all of, of my new career path or my
new choice of direction. And so I actually after that
conversation had to keep it fromhim for about two years.

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And I said to myself, you know what, like I will go to uni.
I will, you know, still work, but I won't tell him I'm still
pursuing this until I get somewhere and I have some proof
of success. And it was actually when I got
to about 15,000 followers on Facebook, I ended up telling him
I was in the car. I remember where I was, I was
literally in my mum's car, sat in the street in camera.
And I'm like, all right, you know what?
Like I'm going to tell him that I called him and I go, look, I

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know a few years ago I told you that I wanted to make videos and
I told you I haven't been doing it and blah, blah, blah.
But I have a confession. And he goes, what's a
confession? And I go, look, are we real with
you? Like there's a side to me you
don't know about. And he goes, what's a side?
And I said, well, you know, I, Ilistened to your advice two

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years ago, but I've actually still been doing it and I've got
like 15,000 people that are following me now.
And it was funny because he tooka massive pause and I can't see
his facial expressions. I can only hear him breathing.
I'm just like, what's he going to say?
What's he going to say? And after about 30 seconds of
just a long pause, he goes, OK, fair enough.

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I'll support you. I'm like what?
And so my dad's one of those guys that like Chinese parent,
Asian strict, but he always has this weird little like twist,
the little flip the switch, the little flip the switch, you
know? And bro, from then on he started
supporting me completely. Because you had 15K followers or
because you kept you kept grinding?
I think it was both, man. I think he goes, you know what,

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my son's serious. He's been two years.
He didn't give up and he's proven to me that he can
actually do it. Plus, I guess back then 15K was
quite a fair bit back in 2016 or2015.
So and then, you know, ironically speaking, he became
one of my biggest, the biggest parts of my career.
Do you know what I mean? So yeah, man, it's been, it's
been a pleasure. You've seen your videos.
Yeah. Yeah.
Did you feel sorry? Sorry.

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Did you feel that? Like, obviously you went with
your career and you became very successful, but was something in
the back of your head saying I'mgonna, I'm gonna prove my dad
wrong? And no matter how how big you
got, you were still like, say, dad, I told you so.
I told you so. Was that purposeful enough for
you? Would you say because like I'm
very like self reflective, right?
And I kind of and I know where everything comes from, why I'm

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the way I am and 100% because what actually happened was when
my parents got divorced at four years old, my dad left the
family and went back to China. I'm not saying he abandoned us,
but what I am saying is that as a kid, I interpreted that in my
kid world as I'm not good enoughas a son for him to stay.
So my whole life I was chasing fame, validation, women, money
to prove to him that I was good enough.

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So it was all about proving to my dad.
So I guess once I achieved success, it was this weird
feeling of like, oh, finally, like I've made it because he's,
I guess, somewhat accepting of me.
You know what I mean? You finally had that.
You had that. He was great.
He was sort of that gratitude was there and he felt like, OK,
I've got something now from I'vegot what I've always wanted.
Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah. So what I find interesting,

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though, is even though, like, you achieved that goal and you
were basically exactly what you wanted to be and you proved your
father wrong, something was still missing, right?
Yeah. So let's talk about that.
Like, what did you feel was missing and what did you go?
How'd you go about finding like what was missing?
I, I, I felt like I didn't know what I was missing.
I felt like I was missing just some sort of normality.

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And I felt like because of what I went through, it changed me as
a person to the point where I was searching for fulfilment in
other places. So I didn't actually know what I
was missing. I, I went into, you know,
therapy, I went to counselling, I went to a sports psychologist,
I went to a meditation camp for sports performance from some
Buddhist retreat company in BlueMountains.
I did everything, man. I've done everything.

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I did the crystals, I did the energy healing.
I did everything and nothing worked.
And so I at the time had no ideawhat I was missing.
I just thought there was something literally wrong with
me because. You should be happy and you
should be happy and but you're not.
Yeah, exactly. What did your mom say?
My mom, like bro, such a amazingwoman, how she raised me and
everything, you know, especiallyas a single parent.

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But she was very spiritual my whole life.
So she was more so like into theuniverse, you know, pray to the
universe, manifest and all thesethings.
And I was kind of on board with all that.
That's what led me into a new age, you could say.
But she was always very like nurturing, you know what I mean?
Like just motherly. I had a really great
relationship, still do with my mum, but I didn't have the part

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with my dad that I understood how to become a man.
So I was like very soft as a kid, super soft, gentle, like
scared, fearful, didn't back myself.
Do you know what I mean? So I never knew how to grow up
as a man. I'd always avoid confrontation,
fights. And yeah, obviously that wasn't
good for performance on the football field either.
So sort of lacking that that that male role model, you could

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say. OK, So what was what was your
darkest moment? What did that look like?
In my life. In your life because you said
you you I mean we want to touch on you were suicidal you were
demon possessed how did we get to that and what was that like
when you say you were suicidal did you actually try or to.
Yeah. So I guess what ended up

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happening was I was going through this tumultuous time,
right? So obviously the soccer was
lasting from the ages of 13 to about 20.
Social media started kicking in from the age of 2021.
And, you know, I experienced, I guess you could call social
media success where I had sort of the whole world 2425 years
old. So I was still very young, you

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know, I didn't know how to deal with it.
And what actually happened was this.
So I had everything right. I had, as I said, like the
attention, the women, the money,everything.
And I was so unfulfilled still. And what my escape was, you
know, how we all have some sort of vice or stronghold, you could
say for me it was, you know, partying and and women.

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So that was my thing. And So what I would do when I'd
feel depressed is like, you haveto think about, you have to
think about like the situation Iwas in, right?
I had everything that I could ever want.
I could wake up whenever I wanted.
I could party whenever I wanted.I could travel whenever I
wanted. I could just have everything at
my fingertips. Yeah.
And So what happens is there's no like structure in my life.
There's no discipline. It was like I had to wake up

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whenever I want. Like there was this one weekend
I went to Melbourne and it was just nuts, bro.
I just, I was like, why is everything so like easy?
And it was so depressing that itwas so easy and I just had
nothing to live for. So what happened was even though
I had all this stuff, I started to find fulfilment as I said,
new age spirituality. So I was doing this kind of like
spiritual breath work with this practitioner for a long, long

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time, many, many years. And what it would be would be
like you'd kind of like go into a session and you'd like allow
on this like mattress thing. And he'd kind of like get you to
breathe in a certain way. And it's called breath work, but
it was a spiritual type. So what you would do is you
would essentially like breathe through your mouth really fast
and then out, but never like hold it top or bottom.

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And what would have, I don't recommend this, by the way, but
I was doing this and after a couple of minutes or so, I'd
feel my body tingling everywhere.
And then he'd start like asked me to like go back into my
childhood and just like tell himwhat pops up into my brain and
like, what thoughts and images and all these things.
And I was doing all this for years, man.
Like, like absolute years, like 5-6, seven years, like multiple

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times, maybe once a month or something.
And I would find that, you know,it would sort of be effective
for a few days. I'd feel better, but I'd go back
to square 1. And it was expensive.
It was like 200 bucks a session,250 a session.
And it was constant, like healing.
But like there was never an end goal.
Like there was never a resolution.
So that didn't work. And so then I started to do

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crystal stuff. So I started to go to all these
crystal shops and get all the stones and charge them in the
moonlight and stuff like that. And like I got like tarot cards
and, and that sort of thing. Fortune telling.
I would do something called astral projecting where I'd do
this meditation where it'd be guarded and I'd like lift
outside my body and I'd just endup wherever.
And the problem with these whole, this whole new age realm

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is the fact that there's no morality involved.
It's like, oh, this is you. Whatever your thoughts tell you
is the truth. And you know how confusing that
is. We have millions of thoughts.
You know, as Christians, we now know to take every thought
captive to the obedience of Christ.
But back then, there's none of that.
It's like, oh, you think you're an octopus?
Wow, that's beautiful. And I never thought I was an

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octopus, by the way. I didn't get there.
But it was just so deceptive. And I never knew who I was.
And so my identity was always inthings that were shakeable, like
my career, like my image, like my status.
And what happens is you don't have the status for forever.
You don't have the image forever.
It eventually dies out. You know what I mean?
And so I guess like leading intoyour question, like, yeah, I

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just was trying all these things, right?
And it all, I guess my breaking point was when it was, it was,
it was March 30/20/21 and I was living in Melbourne during this
time. And I was living in Melbourne
purely for the fact that, yeah, there was a few social media
stuff going on there, but more so because I could party and it
was better partying down there. And that was my escape.

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So what happened was this, I wasseeing this girl at the time and
basically she was one of the first people I opened up to.
And I was like, look like I'm battling some stuff right now.
I don't know what to do. Like I don't know why I'm
depressed. I shouldn't be depressed.
Do you have any advice for me? And she goes, oh, have you ever
heard of something called Reiki healing?

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I'm like, I have heard of this. Yeah.
It's like a thing where you openup the shocker is right.
She goes, yeah, yeah. And she goes, I actually know a
woman that's really great. She lives in Melbourne.
My family and I go see her all the time.
And the last thing she said about it was she goes, she's so
powerful that sometimes in the sessions, all the car alarms go
off in the street. I was like, OK, that sounds good

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to me. It.
Sounds good. It sounds like a red flag task
Well. It was more like maybe like,
because I'm so broken and lost, nothing's working, there must be
something wrong with me. So maybe this chick can heal me,
right. And so I went to see this woman.
So March 30, 2021. And what happened was it's a
really long story, man. No, go for it.
It's a really, it's a really, I'll try and like condense as

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much as I can, but essentially she, she did Reiki healing on
me. And Reiki is essentially a form
of healing through hands, like anatural therapy where a
practitioner has to be attuned depending on what level you are.
Most of them have to be attuned with a spiritual higher power, a
Reiki Angel. And the Reiki Angel essentially

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tells them, I guess what to manoeuvre and stuff like that.
And it's actually a practice that was originated in like the
the 1930s, I believe, by a doctor in Japan who essentially
went on a hunger strike in one of the most spiritual mountains
in Japan and said to the universe or whoever's there,
like, I'm gonna, I'm not gonna eat until you give me these
healing powers. And he got struck by a white

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strike of lightning. All of a sudden he realized that
he could heal with his hands. So we went around Japan and
spread this whole healing modality to the world.
So that's where it came from. And so people just do it in this
day and age. So she was doing it on me,
right? So I was doing on this mattress.
And she basically all she did was she put her two hands like
this on the back of my head. Then she put one hand on my
heart and then she waved her hands around here, right.

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And so after the session, I kindof was like, well, like, I feel
weird, like almost like I was blazed, you know, and like I'd
done that many times before. This is a different type.
And I'm like, what? I feel so weird.
And she goes, ah, it's just the Reiki working, you know, it's
beautiful. You know, you should like just
stay hydrated and like, that's all good.

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Anyway, as I get home and I feel, the first thing I feel is.
You know, like when you feel an emotion like you kind of
sometimes you feel like sick in the stomach.
You know what I mean? For me, I felt like all of a
sudden this like ball just manifested in the middle of my
chest like that. But man, it was like the most
horrible, disgusting emotion I've ever felt in my life.

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Just like just got like depressed, frustrated,
everything you'd imagine. It was like someone, someone
stuck in me. And then what happened was I, I
noticed that every night I'd start getting these attacks like
I'd be stabbed by. Something.
Sort of like in the in chess area.
Yeah. So I'd be start like I'd start
to get like attacked here, Right.

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And then the the the next thing that happened was I started
hearing this voice and it started to tell me I should kill
myself. So I was like, Oh yeah, you
know, you should kill yourself. Like you'd be better off like
this. Like that third thing that
happened was the same voice started telling me that I was
homosexual. It's like, oh, this is you,
Like, oh, you're gay. Like, yeah, this is your new

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path. And right, it was nuts.
Like, with all due respect, likeI'm not like, that's not me.
And I, you know, whatever you can do whatever you want to do.
But I was like, something's a bit off here.
You know what I'm saying? And so then anyway, so then I
started having like, just, I'd go around all day.
I'd be tormented by these thoughts, these weird things
happening all day long. And what would happen is when I

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just like, wouldn't want this thought or like these things
would come at me and I'd be like, no, no, I don't have time
for you right now. I would be attacked physically
by something. So someone was physically trying
to punish me for not wanting allthese.
Ordering, yeah. Yeah, and I was, bro, I was
walking around in so much physical pain.
Like, for example, I had this thought, but no, no, I would be
literally physically stabbed by something like like something,

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something was stabbing me, like a burning sensation was
happening. And that's where I knew
something was incredibly wrong. Because how can your how can I
feel physical pain from a thought, right?
And I did all these tests and stuff and I, I just knew there
was something trying to demonically afflict me.
And so it just started this whole cycle of like, what on

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earth did this woman do to me? Absolutely.
And I had no idea. And I would ask these people and
I'd ask these friends and they'dbe like, never heard of it.
Not break you safe. You know, it's all good.
I went online. No, not one person online had
gone through the same thing I went through.
I went to psychologists, counsellors, I went to
therapists, I went to the doctors, everyone.
They're like, we've never seen this before.

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We have no idea what's going on.No one.
And I'm like, what do you mean? Like sure, like.
You can't be the only one in theworld.
In the world, right? But I was genuinely, I felt like
I was. And it was just this whole year
of just everything like this wasfully like my rock bottom
completely. Because what everyone tells you
that like, whatever you're goingthrough is in your head is

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false. You've essentially got no hope
to, you know, like the only resolution I had was just to
kill myself because I couldn't live like this anymore.
And when you're, when you're going through this like every
day for a year, where does it end?
You know, everything went down. I, I, I stopped making videos, I
stopped eating. I got like, I put on 10 kilos.
Like I was just depressed. I was, you know what I mean?

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Like I was doing everything justto numb myself, still partying,
but I hated myself. It was, it was just the worst
year of my entire life. And so, yeah, I, I kind of had
like a suicide attempt because it got too much to the point
where every morning I'd wake up,I'd remember what was happening.
I'd, I'd feel attacked by something in the morning.
I'd have like a tantrum every morning as well.

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I'd start like, it'd be weeks, I'd wake up and I'd feel this,
that feeling again, just that disgusting feeling.
I start throwing things around the room, start punching the
mirror. I'd message my mom saying ha,
ha, like I'm going to die today.Like, just evil, like I wasn't
myself at all. And then, yeah, man, one day I
got too much. And I was like, you know what?
Like, screw this, I'm done. And I ended up going to the

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bottle shop, just sprinting to the bottle shop, and I got a
flask of vodka, scalded it. And then I ran to this Oval
where I grew up in and I just sat near the train tracks and
hoped that I'd get as drunk, that I'd get drunk enough to
just fling myself in front of a train, just end it.
And yeah, that was really dark day, man, really dark, really

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dark. And I actually posted an
Instagram story, like a suicide note saying everyone take care
of my mum. Something happened to me
recently and I can't describe it.
And I'm ending my life essentially.
And it was weird. It was almost like I closed my
eyes and woke up and I had, my mum was there, my best mate was
there, guys from like an hour away traveled to come find me.

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And then like 3 cop cars, 2 ambulances were were behind me.
It's like a scene of a movie andI was so drunk I was just crying
and vomiting and it was just a horror scene.
And I went to the, the mental health board of the hospital and
they go, yeah, we're going to dolike a mental health assessment.
And after half an hour they go, Oh no, you're all sweet, you can
go home. What do you mean?

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I just try to like always put. Myself in That's unbelievable.
And I think, I think for me, like that was a turning point
because. Everything's failed you, sort
of. Yeah, it was, it was like, you
know what? Like there must be something
deeper going on. Like, yes, I've tried
everything, but this has to be some weird spiritual thing.
Nothing else tangibly can explain what's happening.

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And so I actually started to research like, not just like
OCD, mental health, all these things, but more so demonic
attachments or evil spirits or black magic.
And this website popped up and it was at this Indian Hindu
astrologer. And he basically had a website
and he was able to heal people from spiritual problems,

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apparently. So I give him a call.
He tells me to come in the office.
And essentially he looks at me and he goes, yeah, like, you've
got like, some really strong demons.
And although yes wasn't the right sort of path to go down,
but the relief I felt when. He told me that yeah, of course.
Finally, someone. Finally, someone knew something
that was going on. I'm like, I'll confirmation,

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yeah, I'll do anything to, you know, go down this route.
And he goes, yeah, like, The thing is, like, I want to help
you, but it's going to cost you money.
I'm like, I don't care. Take all my money if you have
to. And so I gave him 1000 bucks and
he goes, cool. Like, I'm not going to stop
until this is until you're healed.
And we actually had to do a bunch of stuff.
So he got me to essentially the first thing was he gave me this

(26:37):
red handkerchief, right? And it had dried rice inside of
it. And he twisted it like one of
those Chinese bamboo things. And he goes, the first thing I
want you to do is I want you to go to the beach tonight at 8:00
PM. And I want you to say this Hindu
prayer and throw the rice in theocean.
So I'm like, all right, cool, Did that, whatever.
And then I went back to him and he goes, OK, second thing I want
you to do is I want you to take this.

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He gives me like a glass jar of turmeric juice, so water with
turmeric powder inside of it. And he goes, I want you to
shower in this twice a day like.I've got sorry, Jim, I've got to
call something out there like it's getting ridiculous.
Yeah, they're asking for any amount of money.
Just just give me 1000. And then I think once you've
left, they go ways to help, likecoming up with anything.

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The other one made you go into bed and started touching it for
20 minutes like. Oh my God.
Oh bro, it's I haven't even got to the worst part I think.
It's getting that's why I have to call it out because I don't
know what. You're going to listen.
If you're reacting like that to this, you're going to lose your
mind. You're going to lose your mind.
If I laugh, it's. Not you, no, no.
I'm thinking of what they're coming up with, no?
So it's it's sure like, like I laugh about it even to this day,
like, you know what I mean? But turmeric juice, Yeah.

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No, no, you could. So turmeric juice.
The third thing he gave me was like this gold pendant.
And he goes, you've got to sleepwith this.
You've got to have it in your pocket at all times.
And he goes over the weekend, what I'm going to do is you
don't have to do much just like,you know, do you do your thing?
But I'm going to be sending you positive energy to get this
thing to, like, come out of you essentially.
And over the weekend, I, I just remember feeling like exactly

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the same, if not worse. And on Monday, I go back to him
and he goes, yeah, like, I'm going to tell you something.
I'm like, what is it? And he goes for the first time
in 17 years, when I sent you theenergy, I was praying and
sending you energy for three hours on Friday night.
You're the first person I've ever seen that the energy got
rejected by your body. And I was like.
Fuck. Wow.
I thought this guy had the solution, but like, now he's

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telling me that he also doesn't know what's going on.
And he goes, but don't worry, like, we're going to solve this.
What else do you get me to do? Just all these.
Oh, that's right. And so he goes, OK, I found a
solution. You're going to love this part.
He goes, I want you to go into your wardrobe and find T-shirt
that you don't wear very often. I'm like, OK, and he goes, I

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want you to wear this T-shirt for seven days in a row and do
not take it off. You got to sleep with it on.
You got to not shower, of course, but go to the gym.
Everything right? I'm like, OK, and he goes,
because at the end of seven days, we're going to do a ritual
and you're going to eliminate these demons.
And, and he goes, I'm getting you to wear a T-shirt because
like, the, the clothing on your skin is, is the closest to your

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body frequency that anything else gets in touch with.
So I'm going and it's like Melbourne, like summer, which
isn't too hot anyway, so it's all right.
But I'm wearing this T-shirt, this, you know, this industry
T-shirts, like an olive green one.
Yeah. And I'm wearing it for seven
days. And by the end of it, I go back
into his office and he goes, OK,we're going to do the ritual
now. So I'm like, all right, here we

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go. So he brings me into this prayer
room next to his office, which Ihaven't seen before.
And we go into this prayer room and it's a room like it looks
like spectacular. It's got all these gold, Hindu
gold. It's like got turmeric, it's got
garlic, it's got lemons on the floor.
Like it's got everything that you'd expect to see in India and
just everything was there. And he goes, all right, sit down

(29:54):
here he goes, give me the shirt.So I get him the shirt and then
he cuts it in half with scissors, my T-shirt.
And he folds it and gives half to me, folds it gives, keeps
half for himself. And he goes, what we're going to
do is this. I need you to basically spit
into the T-shirt once. Not like that, not like that,

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not like that. Put a piece of your fingernail
in the T-shirt. I'll.
Continue. Don't worry.
Hey. I'm bitching you and a piece of
your hair in the T-shirt. And he goes.
You're gonna laugh again. What about the toenail?
Nothing toenail as. Well, no, no, no toenail.
That's OK. No, I rally that.
That's probably where it stretches.

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Continue. And then he goes, wait for this
one. He goes, what I want you to do
is I want you to have this T-shirt in your hands with these
things inside the T-shirt, and Iwant you to blow the T-shirt.
That's amazing. Blend the T-shirt.
Gently, but like and he goes, I want you to do this with the

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intention of like, get these things out of me.
OK, so apparently this ritual will summon them and get them
out of me, right? And he goes, while you do that,
I'm going to be over here wavingthis orange scarf around and
like praying essentially. So I'm like, all right, so the
process starts. It goes 321, let's go.
So I've got this freaking T-shirt, fingernail hair, spit
in my, in my hand. And I'm just like, like,

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literally like this, like like that for minutes, a couple
minutes. And in my head I'm like, this
guy is like, he's lost the plot.This is ridiculous.
And I'm already thinking of who I'm going to go to next.
And after a couple minutes, I'm like doing it, doing it, doing
it. And while I'm doing this, he's
over here in the corner with hisorange scarf chanting in, in, in
Indian to like Vishna. All the Indian Hindu gods,

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Krishna, I forgot their names are Shiva, Buddha, Allah, Jesus,
everyone. He's going hard with everyone.
He's got everyone involved, he'sgot.
Everyone, he's having a party. This guy, it's.
Been three weeks, he has to figure out something.
Yeah, And I'm like, what is thisguy doing?
Like this is like, this is he's a nut job.
And so anyway, so after a coupleof minutes, he goes stop.
I'm like, all right, what is that?

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He goes, it's not working. I'm like, of course it's not, of
course it's not working. Not not because of the ritual,
but because it's me. Like I'm just cursed.
And he's like, but I'm not goingto give up.
I want you to do this one more time, but I want you to actually
believe it's going to work, to have faith.
It's going to work. I'm like, all right, fine.
So I'm like, all right, here we go.

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So I've got my T-shirt, fingernail hair, spit in my hand
and I'm like, you know what, let's actually try this thing.
So he starts the timer almost. And I'm like, right, so my brain
is saying get these things out of me, get these things out of
me, get these things out of me as I'm blowing on this T-shirt.
And so I'm going to goes past two minutes, 3 minutes, 4
minutes, bro. All of a sudden, I kid you not,

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just remember, I've got in my hand.
I've got nothing, just the T-shirt and just some weird
folly quotes from my body as he's doing his chant.
All of a sudden I'm I'm like, I've got this thing in my head.
I'm like, you know, blowing gently on it.
All of a sudden the bottom rightcorner of my T-shirt starts
lighting on fire like A and I'm like, what the and I'm like,

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look like, look what's happening.
And he goes there it is. And the guy freaking Ian Thorpes
onto my T-shirt. Literally he dives onto it and
then I'm witnessing this guy on the ground with my T-shirt and
the T-shirts float flinging him around the room.
Why this? Like he's being flung around the
room with this button by by my T-shirt and I'm slacking myself

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like this isn't real. This isn't real.
And he goes, he goes get me the jar and I get in this glass jar
that was in the room and he's trying to put the T-shirt in the
jar like this, like put it in the jar, but he can't.
Like it's flinging him and everything and he's literally
wrestling with his T-shirt on the ground like a like a footy
player. And then all of a sudden he

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screams like in pain and he flips his arm over and I
literally with my own eyes see this black burn mark, like if
you burnt someone with a cigarette on his forearm.
And he goes, it bit me. I'm like, what what the what is
going on? And then I see him swearing and
like spitting on this, spitting on his T-shirt.
Everything's going on like it's all happening.

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Really been through it man wow. It's all happening.
I've been through it listening to this.
What was the journey? This is unbelievable.
It's nuts and and I'm like. This stuff actually happens.
It's real, yeah. And, and just just remember as
well, it's all the skeptics out there that I was a skeptic.
I did not believe in any of this.
And the T-shirt that I was holding, the open fire, he
wasn't doing anything with my T-shirt.
It was on me, in my hands. So this was full blown

(34:42):
witchcraft. And so at this point, I'm like,
this isn't real. This isn't real.
And he goes, get out of my office.
It's too dangerous in here for you.
And then I go outside and I'm like huffing and puffing.
I'm like, what on earth have I just witnessed?
And he comes out and he's panting.
He's like, it's almost like he'sgone for a marathon.
He's like coming to my office real quick.
And so we go into his office andhe's like, he's like, he's like,

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in the last 17 years, I've neverseen such a foul demonic spirit
in anyone as I have in you. And I'm like, what do you mean?
Like, look, I'll be real. Like I was happy you said this
because I'm like, finally someone knows the answer.
He goes, I know what to do. I know exactly what to do.
You've got three demons. I can smell them.
It's disgusting. They they bit me, blah, blah,

(35:26):
blah. Like he was just going off and
he knows I know what to do. He goes, we have to do another
exorcism in a few days time because now they know that you
know what's happening and we have to act fast because if we
don't, they're going to kill you.
That's what you. Said to me, so the demons are
going to come out of you. What came out?
A small one. Apparently that's what you said
and. The two others stayed in there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So this is this getting. Any questions, please?

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Yeah. So is this getting like, because
obviously this is not anything Christian yet, So is this making
things worse? Is what you're doing with this
guy actually more witchcraft andallow opening the door even more
to more demons? Correct.
I didn't know at the time though.
Yeah, you. Block someone who'd follow
witchcraft or he just. Look like no, man.
No. Like a regular schmuck.
It was like a Buddha. Like he was fat.

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He was, like cute. You know what I mean?
You could rub his tummy for goodluck.
No. No, no.
Yeah. Well, I didn't know what the
time of. Yeah, but in hindsight, you're
100%. I opened many doors.
Yeah. And.
And this is the catch. Right.
Please. So we've gone to his office and
he's freaking out. He's like, we've got to act
fast. I'm like, what do I do?
Because I've witnessed it. Now I can't deny what I've
witnessed. He goes, what we have to do is

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this, in a couple of days time, you ought to come back here.
We have to do another exorcism, but this time you've got to be
protected and go, what does thatmean?
And he said to me, we have to basically make 2 Hindu statues,
Weld 2 Hindu statues with the five elements of the earth
containing the statues. So gold, silver, copper, iron
and bronze. And he goes, we need 200 grams

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of every material to Weld into these statues for you to be
protected. Because if you're not protected
and we do this again, in these words, he goes, the demons will
essentially burn your throat andyour tongue from the in, from
the inside out. I'm like, look, I've seen it
all. Like whatever, how do we do it?
He goes, look like we're going to have to get these materials
somehow, like source them. And he goes, I can help you with

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everything besides the gold. I'm like, what do you mean gold?
He's like, you need to get 200 grams of gold to put into these
statues so you're protected because without every material
you're not going to be protected.
I'm like, look, bro, like whatever, take my money.
I don't care at this point. And he goes, I don't know where
you get it from, Maybe go home, find some like if you have any

(37:36):
at home, but I'll get everythingelse sorted for you and hurry,
like make it quick because you have to like come back into my
office, give me the gold and I'll get them welded straight
away. And so I'm about to walk out,
right? And he goes to me, by the way,
before you leave, listen to this.
And so he opens up the room, theprayer room that we were just
in, and he opens it. And you know, when you've got

(37:58):
like a faulty TV, it like buzzeslike a one of those sounds.
He opens a door and all I hear is like a zip from the room.
And I go, what's that noise? And he goes, that's the spirit
that was in you dying in the jar.
I'm like, what the heck, bro? And he goes, but I've got to get
you to actually take the spirit with you and dispose of it

(38:20):
somewhere like away from people.So I'm like, OK, so he gives me
this plastic bag with this jar and my spirit in there
apparently. And I get in my car.
I've got this passenger with me.I put it, I put the seat belt on
it as well. But I'm yeah, but I'm freaking
out because I'm like, I'm like, the devil must be real now.

(38:40):
Like he's going to strike me because I've got this spirit.
I don't. I didn't know what was, I knew
nothing about this stuff. And so I drive to like the, I
don't know, the Windsor equivalent of Melbourne, like in
the out in the sticks and I finda bin and I just dump it in
there and I just leave. ANYWAYS.
Then he calls me an hour later and he goes, I'm going to tell

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you something. I'm like, fire up, bro.
This guy just like Santa Claus are bad news.
And I'm like, what is it? And he goes, I had two clients
in after you and they both started telling me that they
heard like crying and screaming noises coming from the room that
we were just in. I'm like, Oh my goodness, I'm
like, all right, let me get you the gold.
So go online, right? And I'm like 200 grams of gold.

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I have no idea about this stuff.And that's true.
It actually ended up being $17,000 for 200 grams.
And look man, like he got me. You know when when you've seen
everything, when you've seen something happen with your own
eyes to me, he didn't. Of course he provoked it
indirectly, but you know, it was.

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Like so we had. Food to believe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll do anything to, you know, I
was, I was on the verge of deathat this point with the last
year. I'm like money means nothing,
you know, like in comparison to my life.
So I'm like, I'll get it. So I went to this.
It was funny because I called mymate because my mate started in
the jewelry store and I go bro. Do you know how they find gold

(40:05):
in in in Australia? Like where's a good place in
Melbourne? Does your dad know?
And he goes, oh, that's a weird question, but sure, I'll ask
him. And he asked his dad and his
dad's like, I'll go here. So I went to this place in
Swanson St. in Melbourne and I got it, went back to the guys
clinic, the Indian guys clinic. And I gave it to him and he's
like, thank you. And you did like this weird
prayer over it. And he goes, cool, I'm going to
get this made-up for you. But that weekend was Melbourne

(40:26):
Cup weekend. So everything was kind of like
shot for the public holiday. So it took a few days longer.
And anyways, a few days after I dropped off the gold, he goes,
cool, like tomorrow we're going to do the ritual and I'm like,
all right, So what do we do? He goes, I can't tell you
because then the demons will know what we're going to do.
But essentially tomorrow I'm going to message you mid morning

(40:47):
and I'm going to tell you what time to come in and what to
bring with you. I'm like, all right, so this day
comes around and I think I'm going to die.
Like, I think like I've seen thedevil's face, you know what I
mean? And I knew nothing about this
stuff. And so I remember he messages
me, I was at Saint Kilda beach just like chilling, trying to
meditate or whatever. And I get a message from him and
he goes, all right, what I need you to do is come at 5:00 PM.

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But I need you to go buy some stuff first.
I need you to buy, I need you towear all white clothing today,
white T-shirt, white shorts. I need you to go to Kohl's and
get lemons, limes. And do you know there's Alkalife
big bottles, 1.52 litres. He goes 8 of them, he goes, I
need to go to a florist and buy a bunch of red and yellow
flowers and I needed to buy likesome of those glass cylinder

(41:33):
jars that he had before. So I'm like, all right, say
this, I'll do it. And so I went to Richmond, Vic
Gardens, Kohl's and I just bought this stuff.
And I'm like, I don't know what this is for but sure.
So anyway, I start driving to his clinic and I'm just thinking
like I'm literally reflecting onmy life like I'm about to be
like executed for something likeit's, it's over now.

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Like I'm done and I'm like getting all emotional.
It's like, what's my mum going to do?
You know, like she's a single parent.
Like I've got to support her somehow.
I'm going to be dead after this thing.
Like I was, I didn't. You were driving to your death.
I was driving to my death. Yeah, Yeah.
And I get there and something I forgot to mention as well,
sorry, was that after I did the first ritual, the attacks got
worse, way worse. But it was one night.

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I was just, I was trying to sleep.
I was up for six hours. My housemate was with me.
I thought I was going to die because I was being stabbed so
much in the heart with the hospital.
And I actually said to my mom, like, I'm like, I'm dying, Like,
goodbye. You know what I mean?
Anyway, so I rock up to this clinic, and as I'm walking from
my car to this clinic, I'm getting stabbed in the heart
again. Like the demons were coming at
me even harder. And I remember getting there and

(42:37):
I've got all this stuff with me.And he goes, all right, you
ready? I'm like, yeah, I'm ready.
So went to the room again. And this time he basically said
to me, we're going to do same, Same but different.
He showed me the statues, the 2 gold statues and he goes, put
them in your pocket so you're protected.
I'm like all right. And it was a statue with like my
full name, date of birth, and some Hindu language thingy on it
as well. So I put them in my pocket and

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he says to me, what I want you to do now is I want you to have
these spices. So he gives me like a bowl of
like, I don't know what it was like cardamom or something like
these Indian spices and I eat them And it feels like it hits
that spot where that thing, thatball was.
I'm like, all right, it must be effective.
And then he goes, what I want you to do is with the jar, I
want you to make it like not transparent.

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So like, like put your breath init kind of thing.
So it's like murky. So I did that.
And then he goes, I want you to put the fingernail hair spit in
the jar. This time I'm like, all right,
so I did that, you know, standard procedure.
And then he goes, the process today is that you're protected
and we're going to get these demons out of you.
But what you have to do is you have to skull as much water as

(43:41):
you can until you want to vomit.And when you're about to vomit,
you need to, like, go over the jar and vomit into the jar.
And once you've vomited, they'reall going to be out.
You got to close the jar. But then when you hear a
screaming and crying noise, giveme the jar.
That was instructions. So I'm like, all right, so I'm
there like, I'm not skeptical nomore.
I'm like, this is actually legitbecause I've seen it.

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So I'm sculling this Alkalife water, like sculling it.
And these bottles are huge, right?
Big ones. Big ones.
Yeah. And I'm probably like 2 1/2
down. I'm like, I'm going to vomit.
He's like, all right, you ready?I'm like, I'm ready.
So I, you know, crouched over, got my jaw in front of me and I
don't know, like all I remember was like, I just let out this
vomit. I don't know what came out, you

(44:24):
know, I'm sure water came out and all of a sudden, like I
don't know, I heard some noise from it.
So I'm like, I'll close it, giveit to the guy and just wait to
hear this. So jar fingernail hair, spit,
bit of my breath in there and bit of water vomit right to be
graphic. So I vomit into this thing.

(44:45):
I'll close the lid. All I do is I pass this jar to
the guy and he and he and he receives it like this bro.
The moment the jar touches his palm right?
It's crazy. A flame comes in the jar like,

(45:05):
appears in the jar on the bottomof it and then breaks the jar
from the inside up. Like a flame appears in the jar
and breaks it and I'm like what is?
I'm in a horrible what do you have?
I just don't know what to do. And then the same thing happens.
He's on the ground with it, throwing him around, resting the
jar. Yeah, my God.
And he's swearing at it and all these things and he goes go into

(45:28):
my office and get me the Indian statue.
I'm like, which one? He's got like millions.
I'm like, he's like this one. I'm like, all right.
So I go in this office, I'm freaking running and I get back.
I'm like, here it is. He's like, and this guy's on the
floor like he's dying. And he's like, that's the wrong
one. I'm like, what do you want me to
do? I don't know.
I don't know these Indian gods. And so I go back and I get and I
was like, that's fine. And so this guy's like, he's

(45:50):
trying to pour water in the jar to light the flame out, bro.
It's just, it's a literal horrormovie in front of my eyes.
And then he screams in pain again and he turns his arm.
But now it's like I see red scratch marks everywhere.
It's not the Blackburn. It's like red scratch marks.
And it was just a horror movie again.
And so he goes get out. It's too dangerous in here for

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you. Swearing at it.
He's doing everything. So I go outside.
Finally, I got into his office after this big exorcism.
I think I'm I'm clear. He takes my pulse, looks around
my body. He's like, you're healed.
I'm like, OK, I'm sweet. Now he's like, yeah, yeah,
you're done. Like, you're healed.
I'm like, all right, thanks. See you later.
That was you that. And so I went and I had to pick

(46:34):
up a friend from like, because one of my mates was on Love
Island back then, so we all usedto watch her have like a group
gathering every night. So I had to go pick up my mate
from this little gathering. And I'm feeling like, I don't
know, it's placebo obviously, but I was pretty good.
I was like, Oh yeah, I'm healed,you know, cool.
And then I get home and all of asudden I feel like I need a
vomit. Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention

(46:55):
one thing. Sorry, sorry.
After the ritual we need to say goodbye.
Sorry, he said to me. Now what we have to do is to
make sure you're protected for the rest of your life.
We have to go and find deep water near a beach and throw the
statues in the ocean so that you're protected for the rest of
your of your life. So I had to drive this guy to
Saint Kilda beach. We walked around the pier for an

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hour trying to find deep enough water.
Couldn't find it. Then we went to another beach
called Altona. And then he goes, yeah, it's
deep enough. So we spent two, 2 1/2 hours
fighting deep water to throw these statues in there.
And we did a prayer and then chucked the gold in ocean
Anyway, So then yeah, obviously we went to see my friend, got
home, felt sick. I'm like, oh, that's not good

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because like, what if there's still demons in there?
I haven't got the statues anymore.
We wouldn't die. And I call him like, what's
going on? He's like, Oh yeah, not sure.
I'll get back to you on Monday, like 3 days away.
I'm like, screw this guy. Anyway.
So this is kind of what part of the story where Jesus comes in
and saves me. So during this period, a few

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nights before, you remember how I told you I was getting
attacked really badly at night and that night there was the six
hour attack really bad. I kind of knew at that point I'm
like, all right, I've got this exorcism in a few days.
I'm going to do it. But I'm like, I know this is
spiritual. This is fully demonic and fully
spiritual. There's nothing else to it.
And so when I was getting attacked that night, I actually

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started typing different words on like YouTube and Google.
I'm like, how to stop spiritual attacks at night.
And there was this one video that came up and this lady, she
goes, hey, like, I'm very experienced in this world.
I want you to try something. And she said, I want you to go
to the App Store and download app.
I'm like, OK, OK, what is Apple about?

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Like some, I don't know, like ghost hunter app or something.
And she goes, the app's actuallycalled the Bible.
Oh my God, here we go. Like these freaking Christians
trying to convert me. Like, I don't know.
I don't know why I hated Christians.
No idea. Actually, that's what I was
going to ask. So growing up, what was your
view of Christianity like you? Did you have any view or were

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you very against it? What was the?
You know, you, you've heard, you've heard a million times
before. Like, I went to a Catholic
school, didn't like religion classes, went to Mass, was
disrespectful. I don't know, man.
I was just never exposed to it. And I thought they were just
lunatics. I just remember seeing that
Borat movie when he goes into that Pentecostal church and
they're all going crazy. And this kind of relates to my

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story later, by the way, that that that movie, funnily enough.
Yeah. I don't know, man.
Like, I just used to hate St. preachers.
I used to hate hearing Jesus. I know why now, but back then I
just hated it, you know, even tothe point where I had a
Christian friend and I used to literally blasphemy the absolute
heck out of Jesus name in front of him.
And I thought it was funny. I'd say like Jesus Christ, Jesus

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effing Christ, like I'd say the whole thing, man, it was really
bad. I had no respect, but I didn't
know why. I had no idea.
That's all I remember. And I think the devil was so
good at suppressing like the truth from you when you're
caught in bondage that you don'teven know.
Like, that's why when I see unbelievers and they hate
preachers or whatever it is, I get it, bro, because you're

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literally blinded. You don't, you don't know why
you're like that. You don't know why you hate the
word, the name of Jesus so much.So yeah, that's kind of how I
grew up. You know what I mean?
But yeah, so I, I downloaded theBible and I'm so skeptical.
I'm like, oh, you know, like I just didn't like it.
And she goes just all I want youto do is play it out loud and

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rest your head on the pillow andsee what happens.
I'm like, oh, here we go. And just remember, I've been up
for six hours, the TV's freakingflickering on and off.
All this weird stuff's happening.
I'm getting stabbed in the heart.
My friend thinks I'm dying, my mum thinks I'm dying.
And the most miraculous thing was that the moment I put the
Bible app on and I rested my head on the pillow, it was the

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next day. Wow.
And I wake up and I'm like to myhusband, I'm like, what just
happened? She goes, you would never
believe this. I'm like, what?
She goes the moment the Bible started to play, you fell
asleep. I'm like, what?
I didn't understand it. And so then in my mind I was

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like, all right, there must be something to this Christian
thing, but let me do this last exorcism first.
If it doesn't work, I'm going toJesus.
Yeah, I know if you have questions, but that's sort of
the. Next.
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's exactly what what I'm getting to
now. That's a good storyteller.
I feel like I just watched the movie.
I was on it. I pictured everything in my
head, right? That's why I kept laughing.

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It's unbelievable because like you, you were in such a state of
despair and like, yeah. He tried every solution.
Yeah. And the last stop.
And that's like God's plan because it's like you can see
everything. Try whatever you want, but I'm
the ultimate answer. And it took you having to see
everything else experienced so much just to get to that answer.

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Amen. Yeah.
Yeah. It was nuts, man.
Like I had to see the world before I knew the truth, you
know? Wow.
Yeah, well, it's obviously part of your testimony.
So God showed you all this so you can tell everyone, you know,
everyone that's in that position, you know, and trying
these things, they they know that it's all to no effect.
So Jesus got in the picture. So what was the next step?

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Yeah. So I just knew from that
experience, like something therewas something powerful about the
Bible. I didn't know what it was and it
was about, I don't know. I don't know if it was a few
days later I had this housemate.When I refer to my housemate,
her name's Connie, great friend of mine, and she basically had
to mother me the entire year andjust take care of me and watch

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me. Like the whole year was just so
messy. It was like my mum was in a
group chat with all my friends without me being in it just to
monitor me. And so Connie was incredible.
She used to try and distract me all the time.
She used to try and just get my mind off things.
She was obviously searching for answers herself.
And there was one day where she invited me to this dinner, this
Korean BBQ dinner, just at someone's house.

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And she goes, oh, hey, like, youknow, someone just pulled out of
this dinner. Do you want to just replace
them? I'm like, sure.
Like, I've got nothing better todo, you know?
And I rock up to this apartment in Melbourne, in South Bank, and
they're just these people I haven't met before at the table
talking about stuff. And weirdly enough, I just start
telling them about what I've been going through.
I don't know why I think something was provoked for me to

(53:29):
respond that way. And at the end of it they go,
man, like, I don't know if you, you know who Jesus is.
I'm like, no, not really. But there was something weird
that happened recently with the Bible.
And they go, you know, we'd loveto take you to church if you're
open to it. I'm like, sure.
You know, I'm like, sure, like what do I have to lose?

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Something happened. You know, I don't really know
what this whole Christian thing is about, but I'm open to it.
And So what happened was a couple of days later, they take
me to church. And obviously having been to
like a Catholic school, I'm expecting like a, you know, like
an ancient sort of building cathedral of some sort.
And I remember it was 2, two of the guys from dinner, Andy and

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Pauline and Connie, my friend, they all took me to church.
And I literally remember the walk there.
I was walking down was it City Road in South Bank for those
guys in Melbourne to understand it.
And I'm walking, I'm walking. I'm like, I don't see a church
around here. And then they lead me into like,
this building. I'm like, huh, like, what am I
calling? And I just remember entering the

(54:32):
foyer and there's always people that are just so happy.
Hey, welcome. I'm like, what's wrong with you
people? It's got on here.
And so I'm like walking in. I'm walking in.
And this moment I'm about to describe was probably the most
powerful moment in my entire life like that I can ever think

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of. And So what happened was I walk
in and as I get past the foyer, these huge auditorium doors open
like you're walking into like a Conference Center.
And I'm so confused. I thought these guys would take
me to church. And I just remember bro, like I
literally like the doors open and I sort of smell the like the
arena and I walk 2 steps in and I literally with my hand and my

(55:19):
heart gobs, gobs my witness. I get struck by something like a
spiritual presence just comes like, just like in dwells, like
just just comes in me. Like was it physical?
Did people see something drop or?
No, I felt it. I merely felt it in my soul.
Something just like into my soul.
And all of a sudden I start hearing this voice, audible

(55:42):
voice, and it says 3 things to me.
It says, this is where you belong, these are your people,
and this is where you're going to get healed.
And I just start crying, bro. I don't know what's going on.
I start weeping. And then how this relates to
Borat is that all of a sudden I had a flashback to that scene,
Borat, where he goes into the Pentecostal church and there's

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all these people speeding tongues, you know, running
around like going crazy. And it was literally in that
moment I understood it. I'm like, I get it, my soul.
Like, I, I understand why these people are like this.
I just got it in that moment, but I'm even getting freaking
goosebumps now saying, and I'm just crying.

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I don't know what's going on. I have no idea what's going on.
And so I get ushered to my seat and I'm just, I'm just, I'm just
weeping, bro. I don't know what's going on.
I just have no idea what's happening.
But I just know I've found, I'vefound God like I've found like
I've met God face to face. I don't know what it meant.
I don't know what it was. And so at the end they said, you

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know, if you or someone in the audience that want to either
recommit their life or commit their life to Jesus, come to the
front. I put my hand, straight up, went
to the front. Everyone clapped.
You know, it wasn't just me. It was a few people, obviously.
And then I got ushered into the back where we did kind of like a
faith explain sort of thing where they told me about the
decision I just made. I just did not know what just

(57:09):
happened. I have no idea.
And it was in that moment just everything changed, man.
Like everything changed. Of course, I'm not going to say
I was completely healed on the spot.
It was a, it was a process, but the healing had started.
Like I knew I'd found the truth.I didn't know what it was.
I just knew I'd literally encountered the Lord like in
that moment. And then funnily enough, I ended

(57:30):
up getting COVID straight after that, like literally right
after. And so I had to isolate.
I didn't get the vaccine or nothing, but I had to like
isolate, you know, for 10 days in Melbourne.
And I just remember being like, all right, like I've like, I've
found the truth. And so I start going on YouTube
and I start typing in like now different keywords like Jesus,

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God, demons, like, you know, allthese things.
And I find these three videos ofthese three people that have
said, hey, like I used to be into Reiki healing new age
crystals and I got demonically possessed.
And the only way I got out of itwas through deliverance, through
Jesus Christ. They all said the same thing.
I'm like, this is the answer. And so then I type in on Google

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like Christian Deliverance Melbourne because I was living
there during the time and I findthis man called Pastor Joseph
from a ministry called Divine Intercession.
And it's a deliverance ministry and he literally like doesn't
get paid for it. But he, that's his calling.
He, he, I know Catholics and I think Orthodox call it exorcist.
Same thing really. But this is all he does.
He cast out demons from people. And I call him also I e-mail

(58:35):
him. I'm like, hey, I need some help.
And when I got out of the isolation, but in isolation, I
was copying it as well. Like they start to really chur,
like like ramp it up. Yeah, because they knew what was
coming. Yeah, yeah.
In fact, it was the only time inmy life I can confidently, I
think, I think confidently say Isaw a demon like physically.
Oh, wow. I think I'm not 1% sure, but I

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think I did. But I started hearing voices
like kill yourself, hurry up, kill yourself.
And I remember just like sometimes start like I'd be in
the living room, my my housematewould walk out and I'm just
crying because I'm just hearing these voices again anyway, so.
At least you had hope this time you're just waiting for those.
It's funny because you're like you're taking that step.
What I love, let me just pause for a SEC.
What I love about the story is as soon as you took that step

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towards Christ, as soon as thosedoors open, like Christ really
came to you. That's that's what I love about
it. Like you don't really need to
like you didn't really do much. You just face towards Christ.
You just walk towards him and hecame running to you straight
away, which I think is beautiful.
But then it's funny because we, we, we always see this in our
spiritual lives ourself. Like as soon as you take a step
towards God, the devil doesn't want that to happen.

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So 100% that COVID came to stop you from, from that, you know,
momentum that you were having. But it was good that you stayed
on track because I think they got desperate and they're like,
all right, we got to, we got to stop him because we know what's
coming. Dude, it was yeah, 100%.
It was really intense in that 10days, really intense.
And the voices got so much louder, man, Like so bad like.

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Incredibly loud. But I just knew, like once you,
once you encounter God, the HolySpirit, you just know.
You can't even explain it. I had no idea about anything.
I just knew that I'd found the truth.
And yeah, like, I, I jumped on acall with Pastor Joseph a couple
of days later. I think it was I, I, I was
actually outside this clinic trying to get a fake vaccine

(01:00:23):
certificate. I was in my car just waiting.
And I jumped on a call with him and on Zoom only.
And it was interesting because now I'd hope I wouldn't say I'd
been healed, of course, but I would say the work started, the
the progress had started. And I just remember it was
really interesting because I jumped on a call with him and I
told him everything. And at the end of the call he
goes, OK, I'm going to have to think about this for a bit.

(01:00:44):
I'll get back to you in a few days.
And I remember about 48 hours after this call, once again,
Zoom call, nothing happened, didabsolutely nothing different.
And I just remember 2 days later, I woke up 1 morning and
it was like I opened my eyes andit was like I just knew that I'd

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been like 50% healed. I didn't know how I knew, but I
just felt better. Like less burdened.
Completely like something the pain completely the pain on and
off, on and off as much anymore.Yeah, it wasn't even.
Yeah, I wouldn't. The pain was kind of on and off,
I would say at that point, but more so it was like the presence

(01:01:26):
I felt was shifted completely. Like I felt so light again.
And it was like I woke up from acoma.
It was like, what year is it? Like, what have I been doing?
Where's my money? Like where's my, my finances, my
career? Like what's going on?
It was like this veil had been lifted, you could say.
And I always say like I felt 50%healed and I just did not know
what happened. So then next day jump on a call
with past Joseph again, because how you been?

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I'm like past Joseph, like I've got to tell you something.
About two days after our call I woke up and I just feel like I'm
50% healed. He must have been praying for
you. And he has his cheeky smile on
his face. I'm like, what's so funny?
He's like, well, Jamie, he's like, do you know why you feel
like that? And I go, no, he's like, because

(01:02:09):
my team and I have been praying for you.
Like, excuse me, you've been clapping your hands and saying
stuff. Chant.
What does that mean? He's like prayer.
Like, that's the power of prayer, bro.
My mom was blown. Completely blown.
Wow, no $1000 charge either. No, $0.00, he doesn't charge.
And yeah, man. So it was just a really like
beautiful transformation. You could call it.

(01:02:29):
He, he told me that I had to do like a seven day self
deliverance regime, you could call it.
So what I did was I, I flew backto Sydney because I was always
back and forth from Melbourne, Sydney.
I flew back to Sydney, go to Airbnb for a week and just
focused on this seven day self deliverance and what it was, it
was basically a new theme every day for seven days.
So the first day was repentance,second day was like generational

(01:02:51):
curses, third day was like breaking soul ties.
And it was, I had to do this prayer three times a day, but I
had to be in like a steady environment, right?
So that's why I came back to Sydney.
And I just remember like every day I'd do these things and I'd
just be praying all the time andjust start understanding who God
was. And through the self
deliverance, you know, I'd be breaking like generational
curses. All these soul ties I had,

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repenting for things I did. I didn't know what that meant,
but I learnt it all. And then, yeah, that was another
level of healing. And then I, I ended up going
down to see him in person for the first time.
And we did some like in person Deliverance, which was insane,
like nuts. Like, that's another long story.
But I had all these demons manifest.
We cast them out. I was saying words.

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I had no idea what they meant, but they related to spirits in
the Bible. And yeah, I, I just, he told me
like, it's so important for you now that you change your
lifestyle, you can't go back to the things you were involved in
before. And so I just made a vow that I
was going to be celibate to marriage.
And I, I cut everyone off. I wasn't perfect for the first

(01:03:57):
two months, but after about two months, I, I stopped everything
and, you know, stopped drinking and, and then it was like a, it
was like a, everything was like in layers, you know, now I
stopped swearing and now I stopped doing this.
And, and it's just been like an incredible journey.
And, and I guess to tie it all off the story, you could say
what you asked me at the beginning was like, what was I

(01:04:18):
missing, right? And I can honestly tell you
right now, like face to face that I was missing Jesus, bro.
Like that's all I was missing. The fulfilment, the validation,
the, the lack of purpose I had was all replaced by Jesus.
And since then I don't have any of these problems anymore.
Depression, anxiety, I had chronic OCD as well.

(01:04:39):
My whole life gone and it was all because I met, I met God,
you know, like I encountered theliving God.
And yeah, man, it's been 4 yearsalmost.
I've been completely celibate and waiting for marriage
obviously. And I don't really drink
anymore, you know, I'm just, I'mtrying to really just live like
a proper Christian life. So yeah.

(01:05:01):
That's incredible. Wow.
You got to go be a director likeyour dad.
That was an incredible storytelling.
Wow. Wow.
So on that point, when when the demons came out, like eventually
they came out, what was that experience like?
Did did something physically come out?
Or Oh yeah, yeah, a lot. Yeah.
Could you describe that? Yeah, yeah.

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So it's weird, man. It's really weird because it's
almost like you're a back seat driver.
So I knew what was happening. So essentially what happened is
this, you know, for example, in my case, I went to this, this
room with Pastor Joseph and he would anoint me and he would
just start like he'd place his hand on my head, he'd start
praying. And then you just basically

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like, I'd just start twitching everywhere.
Like my shoulder would start twitching.
I'd start like doing these ones.I'd start like roaring.
I'd start speaking in like weirdlanguages.
I started shaking my head like no like swearing at him.
While he was praying for you, yeah.
And it wasn't so. It wasn't you though.
Absolutely not. Yeah, no, but you could, you
could, you were there and you could feel it all happening and.

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You could see it happening, yeah.
Yeah, well, I was just, I was there like I was like, what?
Like an observer sort of thing. Yeah, like a backseat driver.
Yeah. But I just let it happen because
I knew there was. I don't know, it's just, it's
just weird. You just know what's going on
because it's inside of you, you know?
And so I was just everything I've probably done for 35 hours

(01:06:27):
of deliverance all up in in the last four years.
It's been a lot. And I think because people have
different degrees of spiritual affliction.
And I think from my lifestyle, Iwas living through the partying,
the promiscuity, all the Sul ties I had, plus all the new age
spirituality. I was doing all the crystals,
witchcraft, plus all the stuff with the in the Hindu healer,

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plus what my family was involvedin through generations.
But I was just a walking billboard of demonic oppression,
you could say. So for me, it actually took me
quite some time to get rid of everything.
It was not. Some things were instant, like
the OCD and the depression stuffwas instant straight away.
But some things took like a few years.
And I think God allowed me to have like a journey with the

(01:07:10):
whole thing because if I got healed, he sort of knew that I'd
probably just maybe go back. Yeah, so I don't want to say I
was punished through it taking so long, but it was really
worthwhile. Really worthwhile.
And and so, yeah, I guess with deliverance, you know, like the
pastor can command a certain demon to manifest in Jesus name.

(01:07:30):
And because in the spiritual realm it's so legal.
It's like in this world we have laws, right?
We know we can't go rob a bank, but people still do.
But in the spiritual realm, demons cannot enter someone
unless they've given an open door.
Like they cannot because that's just how it works.
And they always have to bow to the name of Jesus.
So sometimes I'd be in deliverance and you know, the

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the minister would say like you must respond in the name of
Jesus and ask questions and likeme, not me, but the demon be
like no, no, no, like, no. And then he'd be like, well,
what would Jesus like? What if Jesus?
Who do you think Jesus is? Like, no, he's too powerful.
Stop. And like you put the Bible on my
head and it's start going crazy.Like stop, stop.
It's too, it's too hot, like, but everything is responded by

(01:08:17):
the name of Jesus. It's not when you see how much
authority that name has in the spiritual world.
So yeah, it's a mixture of like vomiting, screaming, like just I
was Slytherin, like a snake shouting.
People sometimes levitate, I've heard as well.
Some I've heard. I know a girl who had
supernatural strength. Heard a story about like that

(01:08:40):
last episode from father Vishoy when he was talking to us about
a demon she lifted. Him, the whole chair with two
people. Yeah, two people.
She lifted him up with one arm. With one arm.
And then started. A little girl.
Like cool little girl. That's what I'm saying, bro.
It is so, so incredibly real. Yeah, I was saying names I
didn't know about. And it's just, it's just nuts.
Like it's just, it just opens you up to the reality of the

(01:09:02):
world we live in. It is so crazy.
And people might say to you like, Oh yeah, but it doesn't
doesn't exist because you can't see it.
I can't see the phone reception connect to the tower when I make
a phone call. Does it exist?
Yes. Like there's things that do
exist that we can't see. And so yeah, man, it was, it was
just like a combination of everything.

(01:09:23):
And I think for me, because, youknow, the devil knows that God's
essentially calling me to share my testimony and, and really be,
you know, somewhat of like a story of hope for many out there
that are going through similar things that I went through or
whatever. And the devil hates that.
So I'm super sensitive. Like, I like, I cop it, bro.

(01:09:44):
If I open any doors, I really do, I'm covered by the blood.
Of course, I'm not saying that Christians can get possessed or
anything because I have the HolySpirit.
But yeah, I still, I'm very sensitive, man.
Like, extremely So I think it's a blessing, honestly.
I've got a question for you after the after you felt free
from all that those attacks and you said in stages everything

(01:10:07):
gradually got bit up once in your because I often struggle
with this where I'll pray to Godto remove a sin out of my life
and then once it's removed, I'llbe like I thank you God and
it'll be like a transactional thing and then I'll go back to
my old ways. Did you feel as though after
this had finally, like, had beentaken off you, you sort of
wanted to go back to being the old Jamie in a sense.

(01:10:28):
Where? All right, I'm good now.
We're the girls. Where's the money?
Let me go back to being the man.Like what?
What was that struggle like, if there was any?
Of course, man, I think, I thinkthere's like a spiritual
struggle, but there's always, there's always like a habitual
struggle as well. Definitely.
I think my brain was so wide to just see my whole life.
So I think for me, because I wasreally corrupted in many areas,

(01:10:50):
you know, like especially, yeah,like obviously all the thoughts
and like, you know, the physicalstuff, like the sexual stuff.
So I was always kind of like in that process of sanctification,
like, am I normal again? Do you know what I mean?
So that wasn't a great thing. We'd say lust, you know, because
I'm always like, Oh well, am I back to normal?
And my mates make jokes like, haha, you're like damaged bro.

(01:11:13):
Like you're never going to feel this ever again kind of thing.
And I'll be real, when I was going through deliveries, I had
0 libido for years, actually years I did not, I feel tempted
at all, but my brain told me that was weird.
So I was constantly trying to prove to myself that I'm normal
by lusting. So yeah, it's, it's almost like
your body, my past likes to say like your body's sort of been

(01:11:33):
healed, but your mind's catchingup and it's a weird process.
So yeah, it was, I, I think thatyeah, there was temptation to go
back. And yeah, I'm just glad I've
maintained, you know, a celibacyyou could call absence,
whatever, until now, because I feel like there have been many
times where that almost got ruined.

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And yeah, there's always temptation out there.
You. Can say the devil works triple
overtime sometimes that's how itworks.
For yeah bro, especially after Igot delivered.
Oh man, I had this. I'm not going to sit on camera,
but I had this crazy, insane Tuesday night scenario that
would never happen. There was a just a genuine devil

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trap after I got delivered from something knots.
You mentioned before we started the interview that there was a
healing that took place about a month ago.
Can you share us, share a littlebit about that?
Yeah, yeah, sure. So I made a video about this
actually recently. The devil attacks your biggest
gifts, right? So what God's I guess, called
you into the devil attack. So for me, basically what was

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happening was after I sort of, you know, found the Lord and
then started Deliverance about 3-4 months later, I started to
get these really, really chronicmigraines, really bad.
And I've never had headaches in my entire life.
And so I haven't really spoken about this one kind of, but you
know, I'm happy to do so tonight.

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So what would happen was I wouldnotice that my headaches were
always triggered by my phone. Whenever I would use my phone,
I'd get this chronic headache, which is very weird for me.
And you know, they talk about, you know, health effects of
radiation, that sort of thing. I've always known that, you
know, whatever, but it was really bad, like chronic to the
point where I didn't want to useit anymore.
And so basically I was going like a couple of years man, just

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suffering from it, you know, knowing what was going on and
have all the tests and everything was sweet.
And I was like, I reckon it's just spiritual because the devil
knows that my, you know, impact is through social media, which I
need my phone for. And it kept me off it for some
like a good amount of time anyway.
So what happened was, yeah, I basically was just going through
this and this, this lasted all of 2022, all of 2023, all of

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2024. So three years, no one knew the
solution. I could still, you know, do
things and get by. But last year, what ended up
happening was they got worse in stages.
So for two years they were quite, you know, under control,
you could say. But in August last year, 2024, I
ended up getting really painful headaches.

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Now it progressed a little bit and I'm like, oh, you know, it
sounds physical, doesn't it? Because of migraines, whatever.
And then I went to the US in November, came back and it got
another level, another level worse where it wasn't even
triggered by nothing. It was more so just chronic,
like nausea as well, like everything, like more symptoms.

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And I'd gotten like MRI scans and stuff and whatever and there
was no sign of anything wrong going on anyway.
But I knew like something is going on, like especially this
kind of level it's taken itself to and ended up getting a scan.
The even the radiologist in the waiting room was like, you don't
have to do this. I'm like, yes, I do.

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He's like, Nah, like you're too young.
There's nothing going on. You've had tests.
You know, you're just being hypochondriac.
Anyway, next day comes around and I get like a phone call from
my doctor and he's like, something seriously popped up.
I'm like, what is it? And he goes, your scan shows
that you had a mini stroke two weeks ago.
What he's like, yeah, like a mini stroke, like what do you

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mean? He goes, you've got to go to the
hospital ASAP. Like it's shown up, you've got
to get on these medications. And anyway, the IT came from
apparently atrial fibrillation, which is a heart condition that
I developed during this whole demonic thing, which I don't
think I mentioned actually. So yeah, anyway, so everyone's
freaking out. I'm freaking out.
My mum tells me to be back home.So I do that and then dude, it

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was just like such a weird time.This was only December, so quite
recent. And I was like in bed.
I was like just, I didn't know what what the heck was
happening. I didn't even feel it.
And there was no sign of it either.
Like we did all the the functiontests and everything and
everyone's like, we don't like the neurologist.
Like I don't get this. You don't look like someone

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that's just had a freaking stroke anyway.
So then basically my mum, she's been seeing this kind of like
doctor and she recommended me tosee her and I took this Chinese
herbal tea and I knew that I shouldn't be taking it.
And then all of a sudden I'm bedridden for 3-4 days and then
I'm being attacked with these weird lustful thoughts again.
And then I'm getting these nighttime attacks again and I'm

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like it's just everything's going on and I knew that
something had just happened. Anyway, so then I kind of
started gradually getting better.
Start of this year, after like 3months, moved back out of home,
everything went downhill. And then I basically was at the
point where like I was super fragile.
Like I couldn't go to bed after a certain time.

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I had to be really strict with like I had to eat every two
hours. Just my body was copying it.
Anyways, so then what happened was about six weeks ago, maybe I
was at a Bible study sort of like fellowship down the road
from me. And at the end of it I just
said, hey guys, you mind prayingfor me?
Because I'm going through like, you know, a couple things and
some of the boys just got aroundand just prayed, prayed for me.

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And I started like sort of something started twitching.
So there was some sort of demonic presence around me and I
manifested a little bit and had to be like a vomit.
And when you vomit for me personally, it usually means
something's come out and something came out, but it
wasn't anything crazy, right? Anyways, bro, you wouldn't
believe this the next day, all of a sudden I'm like, I've had

(01:17:22):
no headaches today. What the heck?
Why don't I have headaches and I'm using the phone,
everything's happening and I'm like, I've got 0.
Why? Like what's going on?
And then next day comes around, same thing next day, next day,
bro, I got completely healed like from this from a, from a
prayer. And then I go get it.
I had to get a follow up MRI scan, funnily enough, in this

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time, which was literally six weeks ago.
And the results come back and there's like you can't even see
the stroke being there at all. Like it's, it's miraculous.
And so since then it's just beenlike I've had nothing.
Like I'm basically completely better in that, in that regard.
Like it makes no sense. So you know, a lot of people are

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speaking off camera about a lot of Christians don't believe in
healings in this day and age andhow they believe that, you know,
there's a verse and I think 1 Corinthians about when it's
perfect, the gifts will stop. But bro, I'm telling you right
now, I've, I know people that have seen people get out of
wheelchairs. I've seen healings at church
through prayer. I've seen healings through
deliverance, you see the most miraculous things a Christian

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and some just flat out deny it. And it's sad because that's,
that's what our faith is all about.
It's about faith 100%. And you need faith.
And I, I mean, I can attest to that completely so.
Now, our church is very big on healing and miracles and
exorcisms. We've had a lot of guests on
this show that that just talk about all the stories.
We actually, yeah, a lot of stories here.

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Yeah. Our church is actually very,
very much known for, you know, and the Saints of our church are
known for a lot of miracles. So that's, that's amazing, man.
I'm, I'm so glad that you're in a better state.
And, you know, it's been a really long journey for you, but
I'm so glad that you've come outthe other end.
And I think your testimony is going to help a lot of people
because a lot of people are going to feel, you know,
hopeless. So on that point, what would be

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your message to somebody who's hopeless right now?
Oh. It's a good question.
It's a big question. I would just say that when there
seems to be no hope in life, just know that there's a greater
being or creator out there that loves you and that actually has
been with you the whole time. And there's a reason that maybe

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you want to take your own life, but you haven't.
That's because God has been protecting you to this point.
And I think the scariest part, when I was considering ending my
life, I was looking up places tojump off bridges in Melbourne.
I was looking up a gun license. And the scary part about that is
that you actually don't know where you're going to go, you
know, and when you're a Christian, you understand that

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there's there's heaven and hell,and then hell is separation from
God. And it's somewhere that you
don't want to risk going to, youknow, and I would say that in
terms of just some encouragement, like if I can get
out of the darkest time of my life and you hear millions of
people, you know, look at like, start watching more videos of
testimonies, miraculous healings, because they do exist.
And I think Jesus is still active, you know, all the other

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gods out there. I'm not going to name them all,
but they're all still in the tomb, you know,
archaeologically. But Jesus was the only one that
defeated death. And so when you put your faith
in him, you have this spiritual realization and just this
comfort. And it's just the Bible talks
about the peace that surpasses all understanding.
I can guarantee for the last four years I have had that.

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And I think people have to understand that the notion of
cause and effect, you know that you know, the saying, a building
had to have a builder to be created, right?
Well, we had to have a master creator create us in the
intricate design that we are, you know, with all the cellular
functions that happened in our bodies.
We have eyes, we have ears, you know, we have everything is just

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so perfectly created. It couldn't have just been from
a Big Bang. And so I want people to know
there that there is hope and there have been people that have
died and seen Jesus Christ himself.
And for the last four years, allI did was I encountered the Lord
at church. I didn't take no medicine, I
didn't do no counseling. I didn't do any woo woo stuff

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back then. It was just that one encounter I
had. And for four years I've been
fulfilled. And I never had that with all
the money, all the fame, all thewomen, all the status.
And so I just say to people likejust give God a try.
Like what do you have to lose? You have nothing to lose.
See if he shows up and I guarantee you will.
So don't lose hope. Beautiful.
Very well said. Now that you found Christ, after

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everything that you've been through, do you ever think that
you let go of Him? No, no way bro.
No matter what the devil throws,throws at you.
I would die for his name, man. You see those guys in Syria that
are like on, you know, they're lined up and they've got a, a
gun to the head and the, and theISIS, whatever they are trying
to get them to denounce Christ. I would, I would, I would die.

(01:22:06):
I'll take a bullet. I don't care because I know how
real Jesus is and I know how real you know the Holy Spirit is
and how active you know our faith is and how God can really
like save someone like myself and millions of other people.
So no chance bro. Like when you experience like
the fruits of it, no way nothingcompares.

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What would you say to other influencers or people that in
kind of that industry that are in front of the camera and they
kind of feel empty or broken behind because you've kind of
had that fame or you feel like, you know, very popular and and
very loved, but it's kind of empty.
What would you say to people in that situation?
Just know that if your identity isn't rooted in something with a
solid foundation that is never changeable, you're always going

(01:22:51):
to be lost. Because I'll tell you what, Like
in this industry, yeah, I was really popular at one point,
super popular, but it doesn't last.
Like I don't have anywhere near as many people saying, oh,
Jamie, let's get a photo on the street anymore.
And what that does to someone that once had it is it shakes
your identity. It's like, oh, maybe like I'm
just like I'm a loser now. Like no one likes me anymore.

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Your identity gets crushed. So if your identity isn't
something that's shakeable, likewhat the world tries to
propagate, like you can beat 75,000 genders, you can change
every single day. It's BS, bro.
Like you're going to be lost. You're going to be easily
manipulated by the media, by society.
So to influences out there, you've got to understand that
I'm, I would say I'm only like alive because of my identity in

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Christ and because it never changes.
But these guys out there, they're like the the waves of
the ocean. You know, they don't know who
they are every single day because it's just dependent on
views. If you have a viral video one
day, then the next one flops, that shakes you bad if you
haven't got something that's rooted in the ground.
So I would say just like find, you know, something that is
sustainable, that's going to last you that can tell you who

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you are when you're confused because when I was confused
about who I was, I didn't have anyone telling me that this is
who I was. And I needed that.
I needed that, you know, I needed the Bible.
I needed, I needed God to tell me this is who you are.
You know, we're taught to deny ourselves and that's the best
thing we can possibly do becausethe heart is wicked.
Things that I wanted to do, things that we want to do every

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day. You, you, you understand that
half of our thoughts are not even from God.
And so, yeah, I would say don't get too swayed by the the
flashing lights. It doesn't last.
Like, yes, I'm fortunate. I've been doing this for 11
years now, but the majority of guys the last two years, you
know, and what's going to happenafter that, you know, like
especially those reality TV guys, bro.

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Like the dopamine you'd have after the show and then like 3
months later. Yeah.
So yeah, just put your identity in something that never changes,
that's what so. Beautiful advice.
We have a lot of young men that follow us and watch our content.
So a lot of young men would lookat Someone Like You and what
you've achieved and all the success and the fame and, and
the girls and, and that kind of lifestyle is probably like a

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goal that, you know, they want to be wealthy, they want to be
successful. So what would be your advice to
to young men watching and and thinking maybe that's, you know,
the the ultimate goal? It's funny you say that because
Andrew Tate posted a video the other day and he said, I don't
understand this. I'm super famous, I'm super

(01:25:23):
rich. I can get any girl I want, but
there's nothing to do. I'm just bored.
And the truth is not that I was at that level at all or not that
I advocate for. You know, many of the things he
says. I think he has a couple of
things is really good about, youknow what he says for sure.
It's me a lot. Definitely.
Yeah. But some of the stuff, you know,

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whatever. Yeah.
I would say that there's just there's like there's so much
more out there and you're going to find that once you achieve
these things, it's always about the next, the next, next or a
millionaire. I want to be a billionaire Now.
What is that like? Yeah, I get you can do things
with that. But if you have no purpose and
something greater than yourself,like as humans, we're meant to
serve others. You see, Jesus, you know, the

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Son of God, wash, wash his disciples feet, you know, hang
out with people, you know, trapped in adultery, you know,
and I think serving is our humannature.
So if you're not serving something greater than yourself,
it's a very empty life. I felt alone the whole time.
I had, you know, 10 million followers and I felt so alone,
isolated, you know, and so I would say that it's not all it

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seems to be. It really isn't.
It's a lie straight from the pitof hell because the devil will
distract you with materialism and, and all these things that
you think will fulfil you. And you know, perfect example of
me, like I'm 31 and I've never like, I've had one serious
relationship, but I never understood how to have
relationships because I was so consumed by just hookup culture

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and dopamine, you know, so it would damage you the more you
get into this world of materialism and just go back to
basics. That's all you need and you'll
be happy. And you, you just like the story
of Job. Not saying that you should use
God as a transactional creator, but Job, you know, had
everything, lost it all, then got double.
Not saying that's the you know, you should.

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That look at it like that, yeah.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But but like, God will bless youin ways you can't imagine, and
especially the peace. But, but like, even King
Solomon, he had everything, right?
And at the end of his life, he realized that like, he had
everything and all that matter was worshipping God.
It's true. It's true.
So absolutely. Yeah.
What's a verse in the Bible thatgives you that brings you the

(01:27:29):
most comfort or joy? So this year for my verse is
Matthew 633 So seek the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and
all things shall be added to you.
That's that's sort of like how Ilive at the moment.
Well, I should be living all thetime.
Look, I, I actually really find comfort in like Ephesians 612,

(01:27:51):
like for you wrestle not againstflesh and blood, but against
principalities, rules of darkness, because it kind of
reminds me that, yeah, like, youknow, the, the guy that didn't
let you in the lane when you were driving that had road rage,
like he's probably just spiritually afflicted and
everything that we're going through is so spiritual as a

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root cause. So I just feel like that brings
me comfort because whatever happens is like, I just know
that the world we live in isn't as we tangibly see it to be.
And it's far more spiritual and things that, and I said this to
you guys off camera, like thingslike a lot of mental health
issues, a lot of physical conditions, diseases are all
caused by demons. Not all, sorry, but a lot are

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huge amount are. I can literally see people that
like, I reckon this guy definitely just has a demon.
And there's like millions of stories about it as well.
You know, I, I, I thought I was sick, but it was just, I had
some sort of demonic affliction and I got healed.
So yeah, that's what I'd say. What would you say to people
who, you know, are thinking about dabbling in that kind of

(01:28:55):
area that to open that door, like whether it's, you know,
just for fun, let's do some tarot cards or let's do the
Ouija board or whatever it's called.
What would you say? What's your experience?
What's your advice? Just don't do it.
It's just not worth it. It seems all fun and games.
It seems like it's harmless, butyou're literally in a legalistic
perspective. You're literally saying to the
devil, OK, I'm going to do this so you can enter me and do

(01:29:18):
whatever you want. Like you have no idea what's
going to happen after. You don't know why in a week's
time you're going to wake up thinking you're a woman or have
all these perverse thoughts or, or want to kill someone where
they come from. You know, like I always say,
like school shooters and people that have gone to prison for
murder, not condoning them, but I'm saying there's something
demonic that happened that is making them do these things.

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Yeah, it's it's not normal. Like you're a human being.
Like we all made in the image ofGod.
How can we be so corrupted? It's through sin, it's through
open doors. And so just don't do it because
you, the thing I will say as a sentence is don't open those
doors because you don't know whoyou're going to turn into.
After I turn into a different human after the Reiki session,
that was never me. You don't know what darkness is

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going to come. After you found God, you never
know what could happen afterwards.
You may not, that's right. Maybe too late.
That's right. Yeah.
Yeah. I got another one for you after
you've told us from when you were 4 all the way up until 31
your whole life. If you could do one thing
differently, what would it be? Well, that's a question, man.

(01:30:24):
That's a great question. I've got about four answers for
you, but that's for you because you took me around the world
with. Your, I don't know, like, you
know how they ask you like, do you regret everything?
I think, I think, I like, it's sad that I didn't know any
better, but I think God can use your pain and your sin for his

(01:30:48):
own glory. Like even the story of Samson,
you know how obviously he had power in his hair, then he had
his eyes gouged out. He was mocked in front of the
Philistines, and then he asked God for one last bit of power so
he could unlock his purpose or achieve his purpose, and God
granted him that. You know, I don't know man, it's

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weird because God can use your situation, any situation like
for his glory. Even something happened to me
recently where I was trying to amentor and then just about some
some stuff I was struggling with.
And then God used that struggle that I was going through, which
wasn't good for something reallygreat.
So. There's a purpose.
There's a purpose in everything.Yeah.

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Yeah, I think that maybe just, Ithink pride, pride comes before
the fall. You know, I was quite prideful
back then and I thought I was invincible and I think is OK,
good. This is a good answer, I think.
Well, some somewhat of a good answer.
I think you don't know that you're actually not invincible.
Like I thought I was invincible,bro.

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Like the way I was going, something bad was going to
happen. It was inevitable.
And when you're in that fast-paced life with all the
things around you, all the worldly things, like my dad's
told me stories about people that are in my position,
especially young because I was so young, you know, early 20s,
and I had all this stuff. My dad was telling me stories
about people that got, you know,famous and were in the industry

(01:32:13):
young, and they ruined their lives because they had no idea
how to deal with it. So just slow down.
I would say. Just slow down.
Think twice about things. Yeah.
Sorry, So your family's reactionto these changes now I know
you're you're working on your dad.
What about your mum? When they saw that you've been
through like pretty much hell and back and now that you're a
completely different person, like probably they feel like

(01:32:35):
they got their real son back. How's that affected them?
Has that caused them to ask questions about Christ?
And what's the situation with your family?
Yeah, man. So my mum obviously like went
through everything with me. You know, she was at the
forefront of it because I'd be talking to her every day and I'd
be telling her what was going on.
She couldn't understand the spiritual part for many, many

(01:32:59):
years, so long. Like she, she used to say to me
like, oh, you know, like she used, she'd message me randomly
like after the whole thing, evenlike as recent as last year, you
know, or even sometimes now she's like, you know what?
Like that Reiki session you did,I reckon the practitioner had
some oil that you had an allergic reaction to.
Like mom figured out the cause. Please no.

(01:33:21):
But I reckon it was also becauseshe's like a real big like
advocate for like like anti vax and like just freedom and
rights. To give her something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she couldn't understand it,
but she was so happy that, you know, I found Christ.
But for her it was like a slow understanding of like, is there
a God? You know what I mean?
And like me telling all these things, I realized.
And look, she did see it all, you know, expectedly you would

(01:33:42):
think that she'd become a Christian straight away, but not
it was a bit bit slower, a bit abit more gradual.
But man, I've seen like I've obviously been praying for her a
lot. I brought her to church.
She loves church. You know, she's done the sort of
like the salvation altar call prayer many Times Now.
But I think the fruits I can seeis like, I really think she,
she, she's now called herself a Christian, beautiful and, and

(01:34:03):
she really believes like she hada bit of trouble understanding
Jesus. She kind of start with God, but
now she's just seen an overwhelming amount of evidence
and she's a Christian. So praise the Lord for that.
And, and, and my dad, look, it was hard because even when I was
going through all that stuff in 2021, I didn't tell him anything
was wrong because he was in China.
I couldn't, you can't say that stuff over the phone.

(01:34:24):
I only told him about three years later, four years later,
wow. I sat down and go, look, this
happened to me. And he can't understand.
He's still to this day, I can't understand it because he's like,
I'm, he's from China. Like you don't get taught that
stuff. It's all mental or physical.
Like you just never hear about it.
So I'm working on him, but one day, I guarantee.
Yeah, I, I, I took him to churchon the weekend, actually.

(01:34:46):
How beautiful. Yeah, so he's a work in
progress, but he's happy I'm a Christian.
More from like a discipline perspective, you know, so.
You became, I was thinking when you were younger, you thought
you weren't enough for your family.
And then as you got older and you found God, you became the
leader of your family. So to really interesting way the
way God brings everything together, Yeah, and we always

(01:35:08):
pray for answers, but we don't pray for patients to to
understand when it'll come at the right time.
So Amen. Bro.
Yeah, one of the final questions.
You have a lot. You have a massive fan base
obviously, and you always have, you always have the content will
live forever. What's your advice for fans or
people that follow you the Jamienow?

(01:35:30):
Look, it's funny that you're asking that question right now
because the last couple of days I've just thought, you know
what? Like I've always wanted to be a
lot more bold on my social media.
And I've always been held back because there have been certain
deals you could say that are going on that might be ruined if

(01:35:51):
I say the wrong thing kind of thing.
But I've always had this like yearning to really just speak
the truth. And I feel I made a video the
other day talking about how there are only two genders.
You guys might have seen it and it was weak.
So I wasn't really planning on posting it.
But what was incredible about that was that I just watched it
over and it was actually the first time in years I've

(01:36:12):
actually seen my true self on camera.
I was like, wow, I've got to post this.
I don't care what the backlash is.
I simply didn't care. And it just, it just really
helped me have this like boldness come to life, you could
say. So I would say be expecting a
lot more like just things that you probably wouldn't expect
about me to for me to make content about because I feel

(01:36:33):
like no one's speaking up still,You know, everyone's kind of
held back, especially since COVID the last five years.
We've all been silenced and I'vebeen scared and we've all been
scared. But now, you know, thankfully
the platforms have been a lot more lenient.
So Facebook, Instagram, actually, since Trump's come in,
it's gotten way better, bro. You can say whatever you want

(01:36:54):
now, honestly, whatever you want.
So I'm going hard. So yeah, I'm going to piss a lot
of people off. But, you know, Jesus was
persecuted and so I'll happily be persecuted like for him, you
know? Yeah, I mean, you have such a
great platform and I, I, I mean,someone would love to encourage
you to, to use your platform to,you know, don't be, don't ever
be scared to, to God's not goingto let you fall.

(01:37:14):
Like if you're always, you know,you God says that, you know, if
you profess him in front of men,then he'll profess you in front
of the angels in heaven. And if you deny him, then you'll
be denied. So definitely be bold.
And you know, I think the next chapter of Jamie Zoo is going to
be a really strong chapter. The best one, yeah.
And I think your story can toucha lot of people.

(01:37:35):
So I think, you know what I would encourage you to do from,
from the outside looking in, like I don't think lean into the
Christian content because peopleare hurting.
People want to hear it. People want to see somebody
who's gone through it because it's, it's all good for me and
Simon to sit here and talk aboutJesus because, you know, we've
grown up with Jesus. We're in that bubble.
Yeah. So for us, somebody listening to

(01:37:55):
us maybe won't get as much, but from someone listening to you
and seeing the other side like you have and then talking about
it, I think that's really powerful.
Thank you. So one of our final questions we
ask our guests What does it meanto be the salt of the earth?
What I mean, OK, what does it mean?
The salt of the earth? It's a good question.

(01:38:16):
I like salt. Like I salt my food a lot, you
know, the salt of the earth. Look, I feel like there's
obviously a lot of people in theworld, but I, I feel like when
you go against the grain, it provokes something where you can

(01:38:37):
actually shift society. And I feel like just to kind of
answer your question, if I'm doing it right, look, I'm
excited, man. Like to be different, you know,
not just go with what the agendais and what society wants you to
talk about and, and be like. And I think as I said, like
Christ is a perfect representation of that.

(01:38:58):
So I think the more we can standup for what we believe in,
especially in this world of likeleftism and and progressiveness
is destroying families and just the world in general.
In my belief. I feel like, yeah, it's it's
just important to have like brothers and sisters around you
as well that are going to push you because you're going to have
a lot of backlash from people that don't agree with what

(01:39:18):
you're doing. And I think for me, I'm really
careful about who I take advice from now, especially in in the
sense of like how these people living their lives and does that
resonate with what I'm trying toachieve?
So I think, look, just being like a game, being different is
a game changer. And I think you're always going
to get persecuted for something that you do that steps outside

(01:39:39):
the norm. But I think it's a blessing.
You know, I think heaven rejoices whenever we get
persecuted for for the Lord. So that's I guess my answer, if
that made sense. Did make perfect sense and I
want to say you've come on todaythank you so much but you've
encapsulated what we've always wanted to do with this podcast

(01:40:00):
and that's to show people that no matter where you are in life
what stage you are in life, it'snever ever too late to come back
to Christ and he will always accept you with love.
It's us that need to be able to be willing to be embraced.
All you did was you walked in the door to God and he and.
He. He ran to you.
So that's I think a message we can all take from today is that

(01:40:22):
no matter what, always, always have your heart open.
He is there waiting for you. We just have to open up our
hearts and the rest will work itself out.
Amen. And God's close to the broken
hearted. Always beautiful.
Thank you so much, Jamie. We really, really appreciate
your time and hope to do it again sometime.
Amen. Thanks, boys.
Appreciate it. Thank you.

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