EP 3 | Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel – Forgiveness, God’s Love, Pope Kyrollos & Candace Owens - The Salt Podcast

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Welcome to the SALT podcast. For those of you just joining
us, we are on episode 3. I'm Georgia Skander, this is my
Co host, Simon Thomas Gilter. We are very blessed today to
have our guest Bishop Marmari Emmanuel.
We're so blessed and honored to have you.
We know that you're a very busy man with a lot of commitments,
so we're truly grateful for you making the time to sit with us.
Welcome. Thank you so much.

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I thank the Lord Jesus first andforemost for this precious
moment that He brought us together to the beautiful The
Soul Podcast. And I pray, my beloved George
and my beloved Simon, that you're always walk in the Lord's
path and be the vessel and the reason for the glory of the most

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high and glorious name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
God bless you always. Thank you, Bishop.
Thank you so much. Now, from our talk off camera,
we know that you don't like to talk about yourself a lot.
However, we're going to encourage you or push you a
little bit to do that because weneed to learn from you because
as someone who's dedicated theirlife to Christ and of course
you've had a wealth of experience, there's things that

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we need to be able to learn fromyou and and draw from your
experiences. So please, I'm already.
Nervous. Please let me nervous.
What we'd love to do, as we do with a lot of our guests, is
really start from the beginning and talk about your experience,
your early childhood, your life,your family life, where you grew
up, what, what was that like andhow did that kind of develop

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into your your, your life at themoment?
Well, it's a very difficult areawhere when it comes to talking
about myself, so I may the Lord Jesus help me.
As a child, we grew up in an area was, I'm originally from
Iraq and we lived in an area that was on the borderline

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between Iraq and Syria. It was an oil refinery.
There was no churches. We grew up not knowing what a
church is like, what a priest islike.
It was a beautiful at the same time it was a beautiful sort of
life where it was like an oil refinery camp.

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It was about 2000 people, not families, but 2000 people in
total. And all the, all the men there,
they used to work in that oil refinery.
So they build sort of houses forthem to, to live there because
it was in the middle of the desert in the middle of nowhere.
So anyway, we grew up there and so I never came to know what a
church is and what a priestess like.

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But we thank the Lord Jesus. I mean my dad and my mom, May
God rest their soul and peace. They both moved on and I pray
they are in paradise by the grace of the Lord.
My dad worked extremely hard as a loving husband, a loving
father supporting his family, and my mom as a housewife.

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She looked after us extremely, extremely well and it was my mom
obviously that taught us the love of Christ, otherwise we
wouldn't have known that. So after I was 12 years of age,
we had to leave and move to Baghdad, the capital city of
Iraq. And we stayed a short while

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there and then we came to Australia.
A funny story, yes. Don't tell anybody.
When I was in in Baghdad, my momwanted to take me to church if
for some reason I didn't want togo to church.
And every time I saw the man of the cloth, as they say, I would
run the opposite direction. So, so I look at how the Lord

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there works in mysterious ways. He said, OK, what you don't
like, I'll make you one of them.Wow.
So but now I just I thank the Lord Jesus for for my parents
and, and, and more so for my mom.
Reason being I, I lived most of my life with my mother.
She only passed away about maybetwo years ago, almost almost two
years ago. Yeah.

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So most of my life I've, I was the last in the family.
So I always stayed with my mom till the day she went to heaven.
So an absolutely wonderful, wonderful lady, wonderful lady.
So I am, this is my childhood, as much as I really can say
about. So I was very, very good at

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school, did well, studied very hard.
And yeah, so basically when we came to Australia, I came closer
to the church and and to Christ and I was about 15 years of age
when we arrived to Australia. That was back in 1985.

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OK, wow. OK, 1985, yes.
So what was Australia like back then compared to what it is like
now? Oh, it was extremely different.
It was beautiful. We used to leave the house and
leave the door open. Neighbors, neighbors were very
friendly. There was a time to stop and

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talk to people and and check on them and see how they are.
Yeah, it was a totally differentlifestyle.
Technology was not that advanced.
We didn't have the mobiles that we still had the the landline
and we had you know, there was the dial 1 but then they came up
with the button one, which was like extremely advancement in
technology. And then when they had the

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Nokia, I believe that came out and there was the was it the
BlackBerry? BlackBerry.
Yeah. So they were like very advanced
technologies for us. And then when the when the
mobile started sort of advancingand all this new iPhones that
came on board, yes, life changedextremely.

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Yeah. It was very basic, very simple,
very humble. But now it's it's on the run.
It is. It's on the run.
Life is very accelerated. I find it's on the run, yeah.
Not wrong. So you've summarized your whole
childhood and adolescence in about two minutes.
Very. Impressive stuff, but I want to
touch on one point if possible. I know we, I don't want to get

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to this too early, but I was reading upon that a miracle
happened to you when you were a very young age, about 3 years
old and you, you were nearly taken from us in this world.
Do you care to elaborate just a little bit on that for the
viewers? Simon, no fish burger, no
chocolate sunder for you after Sunday resurrection.
Thank you so much for putting meon this one.

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Yeah, obviously I, I remember for some unknown reason, a
glimpse of what happened to me. I was three years of age, but my
mom, more so told me afterwards.I went into a very simple,
straightforward operation procedure.

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For some reason I was poisoned by the.
They gave me a general anesthetic and somehow poisoning
happened and it went into the bloodstream and it travelled
everywhere in my entire body. I turned into a pitch black.
At three years old. At three years old, I was

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declared clinically by the most advanced hospital in Baghdad and
one of the top doctors not in only in the Middle East and in
Baghdad or in the Middle East oreven in the in the world.
I was declared dead. Yeah, yeah, I was clinically
declared dead. So the doctors came to my mom
and they said, look, your son isout of our hands.

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Like we as doctors, as professionals, we can really say
from what we know and what we have, you know, studied and
learned and came to this, to this level and to this stage, we
can really say literally your son is, is declared, you know,
medically, you know, clinically dead.
The only thing is God's intervention from us, He is,

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he's out of our hands. We're telling you that only God
can save your son and bring him back.
We will give your son till 7:00 AM.
This was around midnight, so I had a few hours.
They said, look, we'll keep him another few more hours.
If by 7:00 AM your son is not back, then that's it, he is.

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He's gone. However, we don't know the
extent of the damage that is if he comes back.
Now, just to come back is a miracle and that is a divine
intervention 100% and we will write that down in our report.
But if he comes back, we don't know the extent of the damage
because the poisoning traveled everywhere.

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It could be a vegetable, it could be paralyzed, we don't
know. Anyway, my mom stayed all night
till 7:00 AM praying and crying,obviously like a very, very
concerned mother and especially what she heard from the doctors
that I'm basically dead. She said, 7 AMK I, I wanted to
run to the room, but I didn't want to because I was too afraid

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to face the inevitable. She said when I came into the
room, to my shocking surprise, you are fully sitting.
And the moment you saw me, you said, mom, I'm hungry, I want to
eat fully recovered, without a without a blemish, nothing,
nothing. So the doctors, when they came,

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they said, look, now all we can say looks like God loves you a
lot. You are very blessed, lady.
We don't know, but we know one thing.
God only was the only one that brought your son back.
He was, he was dead. Yeah.
So amazing. Amazing.
I don't know. The prayers of your mother was
so strong. Yes, yes she was.

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Very prayerful in her life always she.
Was she was very, very, very close to the Lord Jesus and the
Holy Mother to her, these two amazing figures were everything
were everything she couldn't live with that.
You know, the Lord and the Holy Mother together and it's it's a

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life journey. And I can tell you so many
miracles that the Holy Mother did through through my mom.
And that's why I believe. And I know not only I believe,
but I know my mom is 100% with the Holy Mother, 100 percent,
100% I. Feel maybe these days we lose a
little bit of that because I feel the older generation really

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have this relationship with Saint Mary or with Jesus that
they're part of the family. They're just not, not these
figments or, or, or, or people that we just know about or hear
about or relate to. But they're actually part of the
family and they talk to them andthey involve them in their life.
So I feel like we've lost a little bit of that in our
generation. And I think it's a it's a bit
sad, but how can we inspire the this generation to kind of bring

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that back up? How can you deny your mom?
I'm talking about an earthly mother, especially a mother that
is dedicated her life for for raising her children and gave up
her life for her children. How can you not honor such a a
wonderful mother? Then how much more the mother of
our Lord, our God, our Savior Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

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You know, when it comes to, to the Lord Jesus, he is, he is the
only true Savior. He is the only true Redeemer.
He is the only one who forgives sins.
He is the way, the truth and thelife.
He is the only one who is God revealed in the flesh, period.
But this God who was revealed inthe flesh gave his mother, whom

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he chose freely, willingly as God.
He chose Mary to be his mom, thevessel that carried the Lamb of
of God who carries away the sinsof the world.
She gave us the Savior, the Redeemer.
My goodness, if I talk about my mom, I'll never stop.
But no matter what I say, it's never enough.

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It's never enough to honor her anywhere near honoring her.
Only God knows how to honor Mary, but He gave her to be my
mom, not just his mom. What a priceless gift.
Incredible if I just contemplateon this for a moment.

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God came and said, this is my mom, but I am giving her to you,
Bishop, to be your mom. Amazing.
What kind of a love, what kind of a humble God is this to give
his mom to be my mom as well? So the Holy mother, like I
talked to her. I don't go and say I talked to

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her informally because she's my mom.
So I I I love her. I pinch her cheeks.
I adore her. But she is everything.
Mom, I'm troubled. Take me to your son.
And she does. She's my mom.
She knows the way. Ultimate vessel of love.
Our mothers are, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, Amen. And the Holy Mother is

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incredible. She's amazing.
She's amazing. We.
Will touch on that later. Absolutely.
Sure. So moving to the next point, so
you were you said you were good at school.
I think we we spoke off camera that you had to leave school at
a young age to help support yourfamily and you got into an
occupation working at the bank. Is that right?
Yeah. Correct.
So what was that revealing? A lot of secrets now, sorry.

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Sorry, come on. Bro come on, I did fool from you
off. Camera for a reason.
No Sunday for him and I. Was fool begging.
So what was that like, like being in the corporate world and
what was that like for you? Well, yeah, I was, I had to
leave school because of the financial support for the

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family. We just moved in our migrated to
Australia and I had to work. So I, I, I worked in the
Commonwealth Bank. Actually I started as a cleric
and then made my way 15 years to, to cut a Long story short,
15 years in the bank, in the branch networks until I became a

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branch manager and then seven years after that I was in
finance. So all together 22 years in the
Commonwealth Bank or in the finance industry.
So my professional expertise wasfinance and management, OK.
Yeah. And did you ever feel, or at
what stage did you ever feel that that life maybe wasn't for

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the career path, wasn't your calling?
I am, I became a Deacon in the church at the age of 21.
So most of my banking career I was, I was a serving Deacon in
the church. So I was very close to the
church. And again, thanks to my mom,
because my dad actually passed away a long time ago prior to

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coming to Australia. Yeah, he moved on.
So my mom was the father figure and the mother figure at the
same time and, and she did a brilliant job.
So, so I was a Deacon in the church while working in the
bank, 18 years of a Deacon and then, but I must say it was a

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struggle because I was I was praying and asking the Lord
Jesus, what do you want from me?Do you want me to stay like
this? Do you want me to be living
like, you know, the majority of people that live in the world
and I don't mean in the world for the world, but in the world,
but for Christ? Or do you want me just to be for

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you and the church and the church only?
So it was a struggle until the age of 30.
We were on a on a pilgrimage with my mom.
We went to the Holy Land and I turned 30 exactly when we were
in Jerusalem and we went to the Sepulchre church.

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And I'll never forget this. I prayed and I asked the Lord.
I said, Lord, like please just tell me, what do you want from
me? Show me the way.
In the Sepulchre Church it was revealed 100% this is what I
want you, my son, and the churchonly.
And it became very clear. And then the the struggle from

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this aspect at least, ceased. He revealed it very clearly.
The Lord revealed that this is the path I have chosen for you
and this is what I want you to be.
And here I am, Santa Claus, still have that path by the
grace of the Lord. That's beautiful.
So that was your first, that wasyour calling from God to serve

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You've you've got to you got to answer.
You finally felt as if you had an answer from him past that
stage. Now that you knew the answer,
what was your service moving forward?
How did you feel that you could bring that bring forth what he
wanted from you? Was there pressure?
Was what? What was the feelings and what
was the service? One thing we need, we need to

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sort of focus on here and realize when we talk about the
Lord Jesus, this is God revealedin the flesh.
So ultimately is this is God. So his path is divine.
The human intellect can never fed him.
It's not something that I with time I'll get used to.
As I get closer, I'll get to know.

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Know God you will never figure out because the day that comes I
can figure God, who He is and what He is and how He thinks and
how He operates, He sees as being God.
So that's why it's always going to be a struggle for the human
intellect to fathom what God is doing, how God is teaching you

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and raising you and elevating you in the spiritual sense and
in His divine path. This is why it is a struggle for
the human being, but ultimately what the Lord is trying to teach
us and all of us is how to rely on Him and let go of 1's self.
Now this word me is the most difficult thing to let go of the

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day. I, I release myself from me.
I live happily ever after. So it is always a struggle.
Yes, the Lord showed me very clearly at the edge of 30 that
this is the path and I, I had inner peace.
Amazing. After that, no more.
No more thinking, no more questioning, no more stopped.

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Let's say this is the path, but you need to walk in that path.
And walking in that path is onlythrough the grace of the Lord
Jesus. It is only through that divine
intervention. Otherwise it is not difficult to
to walk and continue walking. But I'll say it is impossible to

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walk and continue walking without the Lord's help.
Forget it, forget it so. But I can say this is one of the
ways how the Lord proves to thisminute piece of dust that I do
exist. Because look, let's be honest

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with ourselves. I can say from now till Kingdom
comes, I love you, Lord Jesus, Ibelieve in you, I trust in you,
I, I have faith in the Lord. Of course, what are you talking
about when you say do you believe in the Lord?
Of course I believe in the Lord.I go to church every Sunday.
I go to church quite often. But when the time comes and the
Lord comes and talks to you and asks you to do one thing, you

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will question every single thingabout it and you'll say, no, no,
no, I don't think the Lord will come and talk.
And all of a sudden, where is your faith and where is that
confidence in the Lord? You see, we are so weak, we will
never understand it until the Lord puts us on the spot.
Yeah. So when the Lord puts you on

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that spot to to challenge your faith in a positive way, he, he
is testing your faith. The Lord tests.
So when he tests that faith. He's given me the opportunity to
actually realize who truly I am.I realize one thing.
I'm nothing. Yeah, I'm nothing.

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So you mentioned hearing the voice of God, so on that point,
how do you discern the difference between the voice of
God or the voice of the devil? Like how do you make that
distinction? At the beginning, it's like, you
know, when a baby is born, parents will make sure that the

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baby is going to hear their voices.
You know, because this is an infant.
I can't treat that infant as an adult.
So I'll make sure the voice is very clear.
I'll make sure the voice is reached in a way that is
comprehendible by that child. Exactly.
This is how God will function when He first approaches you

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because He knows you are now extremely fragile.
If he approaches in any other way, he'll put, you'll be afraid
you'll run away from him. So he'll come in a very delicate
way, in a very loving, caring, ababy in a nappy, right?
This is how the Lord will deal with you.
He'll be very clear. Can't talk much, but please stop

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me now, because if I talk, I talk.
He'll be very clear. So he will come.
He'll make sure He will make sure that you not only believe,
but you know this is him. He will make sure that you will
know this is his voice. He'll make sure and he's God.
He knows His ways after you, after He starts lifting you up

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and making you grow in his path,in his way and and in his in his
spirituality, then he will want and expect from you to start
walking as to somewhat degree asan adult.
Because I can't remain a baby all the time.
The Lord doesn't want babies allthe time.

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He want warriors to enter his Kingdom at the end.
He wants mature people because we need to get and be Christ
like at the end, as Saint John says, this is what we're going
to be like in the next life. We, we don't know what we will
expect, but one thing for sure, we will be Christ like in
heaven. We reach the ultimate maturity

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and the ultimate, you know, perfection.
And that is the stature of, of our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ. But on earth, He expects us to
grow, not remain in that in infancy stage or in the
kindergarten. We need to graduate from
university eventually, you know,by His grace.
So He will teach me when I startgrowing.
Obviously, he's God and He knowsat what stage He'll expects that

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I have to have faith. Even if I don't see any signs
from Him anymore or I don't hearHis voice as clear as it was
before. He expects me to work with faith
now because now, yes, I'm an adult stage now.
He wants me now to also rely on that and work with that.
But everything is His grace. Everything is His grace.

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So the Lord is amazing. We will never fully comprehend
Him, neither in this life nor inthe next and for eternities to
come. But one thing for sure, from the
experiences of life, the Lord proved to me at least I can only

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talk about myself, that there isno power in existence, neither
in heaven nor on earth, and definitely nothing beneath it
that can come and say to me Jesus Christ doesn't exist, or
Jesus Christ is not God. That will never happen with me.
Never. He's always my Lord, my God, my

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Savior, my Redeemer. He's the only way, the only
truth, and the only life. And not because I'm a Christian,
not because I'm a Bishop, not because I'm dressed up in this
outfit and I have a cross aroundmy neck.
No, this will change nothing. It is God who changes the heart,
not the uniform. I can, I can get this made
anyway, but this heart can only be made by God.

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So it takes God to make this self realize that He's truly in
existence and He's my creator and he's my dad.
So Jesus is the one and only. Yeah.
So I. Guess when when we talk about

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the voice of God or hearing the voice of God, you mentioned that
it's like a caring, nurturing voice.
And our last guest, Father Bishoy, he was mentioning that
and by. The way I love Father Bishan.
Thank. You very much he's beautiful
absolutely. So we had a great.
Blessing, He is all of us so. We he told us a story where he
was in the desert and he heard avoice that said to him to stop

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and he was walking at night as he used to wander in the desert
at night to pray. And then he, he stopped and then
he took another step and he had another boy saying stop.
I said stop, don't move one step.
And what he said was so beautiful.
He said, I, I could tell that this was God and not a devil
because it was a caring voice. It was a soft, caring voice.

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And he said the, the devils always try and play tricks and
always try and divert you or take you away.
But the the difference that he found was that it was a caring
voice. Absolutely.
You see, the Lord Jesus is the King of peace.
So when he comes, peace come as well.
The devil has no peace. And when we don't have

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something, we can't give it. So that's why when when the
enemy comes, there is always discomfort, disorientation,
confusion, maybe fear. But when Christ comes, there is
peace, there is tranquility, there is light, there is
clarity. Obviously that is a very vivid
and clear sign, whether it's theLord's voice or not.

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But also, as I said, you get used to that voice.
When you grow with that voice, you get used to it.
That's beautiful. And it's all the grace of the
Lord, of course. Yeah.
You're from what I'm hearing andobviously I've I've listened to
past videos of yours and you have a very clear relationship
with God. You don't you don't steer away

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in the sense where you, you, youstick to your principles.
You have a relationship with God.
Just like if you want to love someone on this world, you need
to have a relationship with them.
You need to speak with them, have constant communication, do
things for them. So when the fact that you have
that faith with God and that relationship, sorry, how can
someone, I can only speak for myself.
I won't speak for others. I fall into sin quite a bit.

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I really do all the time. I'm a sinful human being, OK?
All of us, are we? Of course, we all love.
How do I, when I have those feelings, when my relationship
strays away, how do I keep my relationship on the right, on
the right stage? And how do I make sure that when
I fall into a cycle of sin or despair, I don't fall too far
away from God? Because it's us that's falling

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away, not necessarily what we think, God leaving us.
How can we, how can we go close,closer in that?
One thing we need to, we need to, we need to understand that
we are all sinners. And if, if any one of us comes
and says I don't sin anymore, then I became God because the
only one who doesn't sin is God.So, so for me to be sinless,

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well, only Jesus qualifies for that, only the Lord Jesus.
So the other thing is the Lord Jesus said he, I did not come to
call righteous, but sin is unto repentance.
So Lord, I'm the greatest sinners of all.
Please, if you came to choose sinners, then I'm the number one
Sinner. And Saint Paul said that I'm the
number one Sinner because I wantGod to choose me.

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So now when I realize that I'm aSinner and God came for sinners,
then I need to put in my in my vision here and focus one thing.
And the Lord resembled the sinners with the sheep and the
peak. Now, what is the difference

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between the sheep and the peak? Well, they've they both make
mistakes, but there is a difference between the mistake
of the pig and the mistake of the sheep.
If the sheep gets dirty, cannot stand it wants to be cleansed
immediately because can't handlethe situation that I am dirty.

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But the pig when it gets dirty loves it and cannot stand it.
If you try to clean up that pig,the Lord says I came for sinners
and the entire human race are sinners.
But I came for the Sinner, that when they sinned they hate it, I

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came for them. But those who love sinning, how
can I help someone that cannot confess their mistakes?
A doctor cannot heal someone unless they say I am sick,
confess it that I'm sick. Doctor, I need help.
Likewise, the Lord says, how canI heal you, my child, if you do

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not confess to me that you are sick?
And you say, Lord, I'm a Sinner and I want to be cleansed, I
want to come back, I want to repent.
Then the Lord will take over. So #1 confessing that I'm a
Sinner #2 acknowledging that I have sinned, and #3 I need from

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the inner person of me, from thecore of my heart, I need to say
it to the Lord. I hate this situation.
I do not wish to be in this situation.
The person that I've become, I can't stand.
This is not me. Lord, take me back to you, the
way you created me. The Lord will be there before

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you know it. The Lord will be there before
you know it. There is a, there is a, there is
a verse in the Song of Songs or the Song of Solomon where the
bride is, is, is showing off in a way before the daughters of
Jerusalem or the angels of heaven that her, her, her

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heavenly groom, what he's like. She says the voice of my beloved
and her heavenly groom is Jesus Christ, and the bride is the
church, the baptized soul in thename of the Father and of the
Son of the Holy Spirit, one God in nature, one God in essence.
So she's saying, the voice of mybeloved is coming from afar,

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leaping over the mountains, jumping over the hills.
The voice, not my, my beloved, but his voice alone is more than
enough. His voice is coming from afar.
Leaping over the mountains, jumping over the hills.
Now, in a nutshell, mountain andhills both need climbing.

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There is a difference. The hill is a sandy soft ground.
The mountain is a rocky, solid ground.
When I climb the hill, I go up two steps and I I went.
I go down again. I get up and go up and I go down
again, and I get up and I try frantically until one day I make
it to the top and over to the other side with the mountain.

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I climb easier than the hill because it's a solid ground.
But a time comes, I reach a deadend.
There is a huge bulldoze in front of me.
I cannot go any further. So the mountain and the hill,
what are they? In my spiritual life, the hill
difficulties, mountain impossible difficulties, sins,

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impossible death. Have you heard anybody dying and
rising from the dead on their own accord by their own power?
No, death is impossible. Nobody died and rose by
themselves except one. His name is Jesus of Nazareth.
So the mountain is death, but the hills are the sins that I

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do. I make a mistake, I sin and I go
back and confess my sin to my confessional Father and I say,
Father, please, I have, I have sinned and I'm confessing.
And then He gives me the absolution and then he says my
son don't sin again. But I go and sin again.
And then I go back to confessionand I sin again and I go back to
confession and I sin again. This is the hill.

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I am struggling, Father, my heavenly Father, I'm struggling.
I want to be with you, Lord, I don't want to sin, but I'm weak
and I keep on sinning. The Lord says, remember, my
voice alone is more than enough to come and save you.

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Do you believe and trust in me? Have you forgotten me?
What have I done for your hills?The impossible, the
difficulties, the sin. Good Friday which we are about
to approach. On Good Friday I shed my blood
on the cross. On Calvary I wiped every hill of
your life, every sin of your life, every difficulty of your

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life. And on Sunday, resurrection.
When I rose from the dead, I wiped the mountain of your life.
Death, the impossible I made possible.
Just have faith. The voice of Christ, my beloved,
is coming from afar, from heaven.
Hold on to that voice, you will never go wrong.
That's beautiful. Very comforting.

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It's too. Captivating.
Very comforting to know that in in our despair that Christ is
the one reaching out to us and we just, we just need to listen.
We just need to hear. I think as Simon was saying,
sometimes we just forget that. We forget that and we get into
our own mind and our own self and we just start thinking that
make. It about me?

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Me. Yeah.
But it's not Christ is the one that comes to you.
And actually our our first guest, Father Jacob, he, he was
saying that, you know, no one will ever come and ask you if
you're wearing a white shirt. No one will say how did you get
dirty? They always say why didn't you
not clean it? Yeah.
Correct. So it's such a such a beautiful
thing to comprehend. It's OK to get dirty, it's OK to

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get dirty and that happens. But it's not about staying in
your dirt, but also cleaning yourself and.
Just to sort of elaborate on that a little bit more, one of
the Church fathers says a sin isnot classified as sin until you
don't do anything about it. Sin is not classified as sin
until you don't do anything about it.

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But. If you do something about it,
then the Lord says it's all right, but if you don't do, then
I'll say it's a sin. And this is where the Lord says
he says, I came to the judgementof this world.
I came to the judgement of this world.
Those who do not see will see, and those who see shall be
blind. So those who see are saying I'm

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not a Sinner, yet they are. Then you are held liable on that
sin. But those who say I am blind, IE
I'm a Sinner and I'm confessing I'm a Sinner, the Lord says I
don't see your sins because thisis what I came for, to wash him
with my own blood. Such a wise thing, never even

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thought of that. So, Bishop, you've became known
for a certain circumstance whereyou Bishop.
Amar Murray Emmanuel Forgivenesswas stabbed on Monday by a 16
year old. The incident, which was streamed
live, got a major backlash from people all over the world.
And now as the Lord Jesus. Very simple.
It's simple and it's complex at the same time and it's all it is

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dependent on the person. When you accept the Lord Jesus
in your life, it is his doing nothing of mine.
All glory to His holy and mightyname.
You know the Lord Jesus came with a law that is not from this
realm. The law of this realm.
Realm is the law of physics. For every action there is a
reaction, equal and enforced opposite in direction.

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In the biblical terminology, love the one who loves you and
hate the one who hates you. This is the ultimate any human
being and the naturalistic law can achieve.
The ultimate is to love the one who loves me and hate the one
who hates me. The Lord Jesus came and said
love your enemy. That's a language I cannot

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relate to 'cause this language is not earthly, it's heavenly.
Lord, you're asking me to love my enemy, where this realm.
The ultimate is to love the one who loves me and hate my enemy.
He says, well, I'm not asking you because this is not your
doing, this is my doing, but onething I expect from you to

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enable you to achieve what I'm saying.
Let me enter your heart and the rest is history as they say.
So when the Lord takes over withthe Lord, anything and
everything is possible. The same Paul says I can do all
things and Christ has strengthened me.
I can do all things. So when Christ strength

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strengthens me, yes I can forgive those who have hurt me.
In fact I feel sorry. I love them more if anything
because this is the Lord Jesus. How is the world going to see
Christ in US? See the issue is at the time
when the Lord appeared on the face of this earth, people, some

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people believed in God and some people believed in their own
gods. But those who claimed that they
believed in the true divine God,but they've never seen God.
So when they saw Jesus Christ ofNazareth, they saw a human
being, they didn't see God, theysaw a human being.
But when they watched this humanbeing, the way he talked, the

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way he walked, the way he behaved and handled himself,
they said, well, if there is a God like this one, then we're
going to love this God because of this person that we saw.
We can never see God, but we canonly see what is tangible
because we are living in a tangible realm.
So they can. We can only relate to something

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that is visible to the naked eye.
So when they saw the Lord Jesus,they loved God through him.
So God was revealed through the man Jesus, but now Christ dwells
in US. So now we need to reveal him to
the world. They don't see Christ, but they

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see us. How will they see Christ in us
if we don't reflect who truly Christ is?
How can we? You know, Saint Paul and also
Saint Peter when they write in certain areas, they write in a
Middle Eastern style and I love it.
Saint Paul says, he says all glory to God, the Father of our

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Lord Jesus Christ, all glory to God, but he doesn't stop at the
word God. Because if he stopped at the
word God, then I'll ask Saint Paul, have you seen God?
He will say no. Do you know God?
He will say no. Well, how can you glorify
someone you don't know? But he says no, all glory to
God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Well, Saint Paul, have you seen Jesus Christ?
He will say yes. So who's Jesus Christ?
The Son of God? So when I saw the Son and I came
to know the son through the son,I came to know the father.
The father is revealed by the son.
In the Middle East. There is this customary thing in
this, it's this culture. The father has a name, but he's

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never called by his name. He's called by his first son's
name. Let's say the father is is John
and his son is Smith. So they will never in the Middle
East, they will never say John. They will say the father of
Smith. How are you?
So this is how the Father is known by the Son.
So Saint Paul is writing in a Middle Eastern style where he

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says all glory to God, the Father of our Lord, our Lord.
He is now my Lord because I've seen him.
So when I saw the Son through the Son, I was led to the Father
and the Father was known to me. Now the Son revealed the Father.
But us, we need to reveal Christin order for people of the world

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to see the light of Christ. You are the light of the world
and those who live in darkness, let them see this light to come
to your light and not glorify you, but glorify your Father who
art in heaven. Just like I, Jesus Christ of
Nazareth was the reason to reveal God to humanity.
I want you, my children, to reveal me to the world.

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How am I going to reveal the Lord if I still hold on to the
law of this realm? Love the one who loves you and
hate the one who hates you. Where my Christ says love your
enemy and do good to those who do bad to you.
And if somebody takes you by force a mile, go an extra mile
with them. When will I reveal Christ in the
good times? No, I need to reveal him in the

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narrow, in the narrow door, in the narrow way, in the difficult
times, when I I'm hurt, when I'mattacked, but I still show that
love and I genuine, genuinely, Imeant it and I mean it.
Till the day I got to the grave,I will always mean it.
The person who attacked me is myson.
I love him from the bottom of myheart and if he asked for the

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other eye, I will give it without hesitation.
It's amazing, but the love of mylife is doing it, not me.
Jesus Christ of Nazareth. That's the whole secret, so.
You take you take all the pressure off yourself to to act
and let Christ act through you. It's his.
Grace that is carrying us, we will always be indebted to Him

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because even when He gets us into His heaven, it's all He's
doing. All I've done is just, he
knocked. I opened the door, but even the
opening of the door was a touch of His grace.
Otherwise it would have been impossible.
Wow. So in essence, yeah, sorry, I
got sorry. Questions on my mind and I'll be

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upset with myself. I don't ask.
You can answer in one sentence or in 10 minutes.
It doesn't bother me, I just hope we are good at time.
Absolutely. It's a very simple question.
Sure. Why do you love God?
Because. He loves me and His love is
infinite. There is no greater love than
this for someone to lay His lifefor His beloved ones.

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You see, when, when you, when you, when you taste the love of
the Lord Jesus, like not even a drop.
I won't even call it a drop because it's less than a drop.
When you, when you taste that little tiny drop of his love.
I'd be a lunatic to let go of that love.
I'd be, I won't have a brain like I'll there's something

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totally wrong with me. It is impossible to let go once
you are touched and once you have tasted that divine love.
It's just, it's a natural thing.And this is what love is.
You see love, you don't learn itat school.

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There is no subject anywhere in the educational system that
says, oh, well, here's a book. Learn about love.
Love is lived naturally because you see, love is the source of
life. See when when you ask all the
religions of the world with all love and respect, they say what

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comes first. They will tell you life precedes
everything. But when you come to
Christianity, they'll say love precedes everything.
And so true. Why?
Because imagine this, if life preceded love, then what would I
have done with a life that had no love in it?

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It would have been an absolute hell.
But when love is the supreme ethic of life, when love
precedes life, then it is so truly said because what makes
life truly life is love. So that's why the Holy Bible
when it talks about about God inin relation to love and life, it

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says the following. God is a life giver, a life
giver. But God is love, not a love
giver. He is love and that's why the
ultimate is love, the foundationis love, the essence is love.
And when that love comes and says I want to befriend you, I

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want to be one with you and I'lltake give you a taste of it on
earth. This is an appetizer.
The main meal is in heaven. You know, when you go to a
restaurant, first of all, eat some snacks before the main
meal, you know, So to open the appetite, you know, So He gives
us that appetizer, but that appetizer is more than enough to

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carry me for eternities to come.Then how much more when He
brings me into the Father's house?
How much? Is the main meal, yeah.
Yeah, so forget it. You know, like it's only His
grace that carries us. So what would you say to
somebody who doesn't believe? If someone's listening right now
and they're just thinking, you know, this all sounds fantastic,

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but I just don't have that belief.
What, where, where can they start or what can you say to
them just to start that journey to let God into their heart to
believe? It takes honesty for for the
truth to be revealed, a person needs to be honest with

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themselves. You know, if a person comes and
says I don't believe in God, well, the number one thing is
you cannot deny somebody that does not exist.
You can only deny somebody that exists and you choose to deny
their existence. Because if something doesn't
exist, there is no logic in denying it in the first place.

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So when you say there is no God,you're literally saying
consciously or subconsciously, directly or indirectly, you're
saying literally there is God, but I choose not to accept his
existence. Now, I believe the denial of
God's existence is a moral issuethan a theological one.
It is not the lack of evidence, it's the suppression of

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evidence. If we come in an honest way,
there are so many evidences to prove that truly God exists.
It's, it's impossible to, you know, say there is no God.
I'll give you just an example. So, you know, we don't go too
much and too deep into this topic and always give this

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example, the Oxford Dictionary. For example, if I say to, to an,
to an intellectual being, a human being, I say, well, guess
what? This Oxford Dictionary came into
existence because something exploded in the printing press.
Now that's a laughable matter because they're going to say,
are you insulting my intelligence?

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How could you say this Oxford Dictionary in its perfection and
complexity came into existence by something exploded in the
printing press? The moment I think of the Oxford
Dictionary, immediately I think of a brain behind it.
Then if the Oxford Dictionary could not come into existence

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without a brain behind it, how much more the universe in its
complexity and perfection cominginto existence without a brain
behind it? That just impossible, Impossible
so but if somebody is honest andtruly seeking God, OK says I
don't, I don't believe in God. I don't know, maybe I was raised

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this way. I never had the privilege to
getting to believing in God. Nobody taught me from the
childhood till now. Fair enough, fair enough, God is
love and God is fair. But be honest and call out if
there is a God out there, if there is a true living God that
created everything and me and everything.

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Please, I want to know you. I'll put my life on the line if
Jesus Christ doesn't show up. I will put my life on the line
for this. If you're honest with it, 100%
only Jesus will show up because he's the only one.
There is not a God. And by the way, Jesus Christ got
nothing to do with Christians. Jesus Christ is God.

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And that's why I loved one of the church fathers when he said
I'm not a Christian. I'm I'm a follower of Christ
because just being a Christian is not enough.
I need to follow him and following him means I need to
live him. I love this.
You know, when John the Baptist,the greatest born of a woman,

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when he, when he testified aboutthe Lord, he said, behold, the
Lamb of God who carries away thesins of the world.
Two of his disciples followed the Lord.
Amazing. The Lord stops and he turns back
and he says, what do you want? They said, we want to know where
you are. We want to know where you stay,
meaning we want to learn how to live with you.

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They followed the Lord. See, we need to be followers of
Christ, not just Christians. So many I want to say, so many,
some Christians. I pray there is, I pray
everybody makes it to heaven. I pray the whole world comes
back to Christ. This is what God wants.

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And so God loved the whole world, that He gave His only
begotten Son, so that whoever believeth in him shall not
perish, but have everlasting life.
John 316. The center and the core of the
Holy Bible. But you see, maybe I've been,
I've gone to church all my life.I'm 50, I'm 60, I'm 70, I'm 80
year old. But nothing changed in my life
because I've remained a Christian, not a follower of
Christ. I need to start living him, not

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just not just going to him as anobligation.
Christ is love. And when it comes to love, time
ceases. And where there is no time,
there is no service, it can't work unless there is time.
So don't take Christ as an obligation, as a duty.

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Like I'm going to work from 8:00to 5:00, for example.
Well, I got to work from 8:00 to5:00 and I and I take it and
then I leave because I've used the time with Christ.
It is life. I need to live Him.
And since this life came from love, when you are with your
loved one, when you are with your beloved, one time ceases

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when a, when a, when a when a young man sits with his fiance,
future wife, his love, when he sits with her, will he look at
that watch? Never.
Because the last thing he wants is for time to take his
sweetheart from him. This is the way you approach
Jesus Christ. When you come to Christ, don't
ever look at the time because it's not an obligation.

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It's not. I'm sitting on my nerves and I'm
huffing, I'm puffing and I just want the time to go out quickly
so I can walk away from there. No, this is my love.
This is the moment I've been dying to be in and when I'm with
him. Nothing else matter.
Nothing. Everything else ceases.
Everything else ceases, Yeah. So Pope Shinoda, he had, oh,

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he's. My sweetheart, by the way.
Love him, very wise, very wise man.
He was saying that you never go to pray and feel that you've
given God something because a lot of the time I, I'm guilty of
this. I feel like when I go to God, I,
I'm, I'm giving something to Godnow he said, if you go to God
and you don't say I'm not leaving until I receive from
you, then what? What was the point of God?

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Absolutely you. You meant you.
Our approach is to go to God andtake from him, take from him
peace, take from him wisdom, take from not to feel like we've
given him something and. Thank Him for it, Yeah 100%
because I was not worthy in the 1st place for Him to choose a
Sinner like me, let alone to accept me and to bring me and
make me his son, one with Him. So if anything, I am indebted to

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Him forever so I can never say anything but thank you.
You know when someone is too good to you, like too good to be
true, and then realizing what Hehas done for you, it is
impossible to give it back. Not even the slightest of the

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slightest way to give it back. The only thing is left for me to
give back to that person is to thank him and.
Love, Yeah. No, no, thank you.
Like I don't. Yeah, exactly.
Thank you for your love. Thank you for your sacrifice.
Thank you for your kindness. Thank you for your time.
Thank you for everything. Thank you for you.
So all I can say is thank you. Nothing else.

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So when I come and I preach and the whole world listens, Lord,
if you ever give me a place on earth and a position, I wish you
make me your donkey, nothing else.
If you make me your donkey, that's the ultimate rank I could
ever ask for, because I was ableto carry the king of the kings

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of all kings on my back and takehim to the world.
He is the preacher. Actually, I really love that
saying as Palm Sunday's coming up, I can't remember which
father said it, but it was saying, imagine if the donkey,
when he was carrying Christ, he said, look at all these people
bowing down to me and putting their clothes and saying, hey,

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Zena, it would be so foolish to say that.
Absolutely. Yeah, that's right.
Well, when people come to BishopMurray and they're not coming
here, they they come into the king who's sitting on the back
of this donkey, you know, it is Christ.
It is Christ. Sorry if I can say this.
I'm not sure the time permits, you know, when, when we read in

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the Gospel according to Saint John and Chapter 11, where the
Lord Jesus goes to raise Lazarus.
Now the Lord comes and says, show me, show me the tomb.
All right. And then the Lord says to the
disciples, remove that, that bigrock.
And then the Lord goes and and stands before that tomb and he

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says Lazarus come forth. Now Lazarus was dead for days.
That means everything in his body is dead, gone.
He is bandaged up, and even if he wasn't there, that bandage
would have probably cut his air circulation, so he would have
been dead, and the bandage wouldhave restricted his movement as

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well. With one word, the Lord fixed
everything in that body, raised him and made him walk tied up.
Now, Lord, which one is more difficult, with the word
removing the rock or with the word raising the dead rotted in
the grave four days I said, well, removing the rock it's a

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lot easier. But the Lord says what man can
do, I will not interfere. But when man cannot do, I will
never ask them to interfere. So when I can see as a human
being, you can remove the rock, I won't interfere because I gave

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you the tools already to enable you to do that.
But I will never ask you to raise Lazarus.
That's not your job. That's my job.
But one thing, after raising Lazarus and came forth, what did
the Lord say to the disciples? Remove the the, the, the the
cloth from his eyes. Now in a natural way, when you

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tie someone, the knot would be normally from the back.
So to ask the disciples to go and remove that from his eyes
meant they had to go from from the from from the back behind
Lazarus to undo those knots for that cloth to come off Why?

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Because the Lord says when I raise the dead, I want you to go
undo it from the back so that when that cloth comes off from
those eyes, the eyes has to see Christ, not you.
Because if they see you, Bishop,you're in trouble.
The whole flock is in trouble. But if you hide behind and and

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let the flock see Christ in you,then you've saved yourself and
the entire flock. So in everything we do, even if
we raise the dead, it is Christ I need to stand behind.
It is Christ who did it. Pope, she knew them.
He did that quite beautifully. That's why he was and will

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always be that successful shepherd.
His legacy, his remembrance, will always be alive because
Christ will make sure all generations will remember him
because he was a true servant ofChrist.
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
So we mentioned about what you'dsay to people that don't believe
and you gave a very elaborate answer, but seeing is still

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believing for a lot of people. So I want to ask you this
question and hopefully you can tell us something very candid.
What is the greatest miracle youhave seen as a as a Bishop?
This time it wasn't me. This.
Was me this time, thank. You very much.
I want to, I want to something groundbreaking because what we

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said is all amazing, but sometimes people need to hear a
story or something that is just unbelievable that lets them go
to that next level and say, OK, well, that sounds too good to be
true. That sounds unbelievable.
How did that happen? Maybe I need to look into it.
So what is something that you can share with us?
That's the biggest thing that you've physically witnessed to,
to, to show God. Well, Oh my goodness, you're

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really putting him on the spot, aren't you?
Look, all glory to the Lord Jesus.
Back in 2013, where we were, we were on our pilgrimage to the
Holy Land, and more precisely, we were in the monastery of
Saint Mark that belongs to our beloved the Syrian Orthodox
Church. And while we were in the in the

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Church and that holy place, the Lord Jesus literally appeared in
the altar area while while we were there.
I can describe him to you. My, my, my head was down.
I couldn't lift up my head even though I was aware of the
surrounding. But for some reason I couldn't

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lift my head up. So I was looking down and I was,
you know, the the Lord was this close.
Yeah, this close, yeah. So when I was looking down,
literally, I can touch his feet and I can touch his garment, but
I was stuck in my place and I'm looking down.
I'm looking at his feet. He was barefooted and the marks

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of the nails very vividly clear on his.
I've mentioned this before a couple of occasions, you know,
but. Now it comes to mind, He was in
His glorified body. I've never said glorified body
before, but now I'm mentioning it for the first time.
So literally, that was the glorified body.

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And you can see the Marks and you can see the marks on, on.
I could see him. I could see them on His feet,
very clear, very clear. The marks of the nails.
I'm looking at his feet, but I can see his entire figure.
I can see his eyes flickering. I can see everything, but he was
all light. He was all light.
Like light was emanating from him.

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He was the light. Light was coming out of him.
It was just incredible, incredible.
Incredible, you know. Yeah.
I don't know. Or to say, honestly, he spoke in
Arabic. Arabic.
Arabic. Yeah.
Oh, he can speak any language. He's God.

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So he spoke in Arabic and these are the two things he said.
But later on, after, you know, sort of I, you know, I came out
of this, I've realized, you know, what the Lord was really
saying. He says two things.
He said #1 he said, tell people to be humble the way I am

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humble. And secondly, tell them not to
look for the place, but the owner of the place.
What does that mean I. Understood to look for the not
to look for the place, but the owner.
I understood later on he was sadto somewhat degree about the
church, about his beloved church.

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He was saying people in my church started looking are
looking for places not for the owner of the place.
Don't look for a position in thechurch, look for the owner.
Don't look for the throne of thechurch.
Look for the owner who gave you that throne.
And then that comes back to the first statement that he said, be
humble the way I am, because he was saying with that humility,

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you're not going to look for thehonor, you're going to look for
the position for the place. Yeah.
So, and and I believe to somewhat degree in the church,
this is the struggle of the church.
One of the struggles and or one of the main struggles of our
time and age is as maybe clergymen more so we began
looking for the place, not more so the honor of the place.

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And that's where we started sortof veering off the road a bit.
Yeah. Wow.
So you you were able to see Christ, which is amazing.
Oh, by the way, another thing looks like the Lord is allowing
me to talk because sometimes he will say to me, don't I don't
want to talk, so I can't talk. Beautiful.

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When I saw Him or when he revealed himself to me.
I should say when he revealed himself to me.
You see a human being, but the first instinct that comes to
mind, which almost the mind seizes, but his grace that keeps
you still thinking. You say who is this awesome God?

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Not who is this human being yet you see a human, but straight
away you go and say who is this awesome God?
This is the thing that hit me sodeep instantly, like on the spot
I saw him like that and I said to myself, wow, what an awesome
God. Well.

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Did you feel joy or love at the start I.
Was in heaven. Was time frozen in a sense?
What time everything froze. You forget yourself.
You forget there's nothing exists except him.
Because that's the truth, of course.

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And another thing, a beam of light.
For a few seconds he showed me abird's eye view of, of, of
Jerusalem. A bird's eye view, Yeah.
And then a beam of light came out of his, his chest stretched

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and became a became a cross. And the cross in its four
corners embraced Jerusalem like Hug did.
And then he said to me, this land belongs to me, no one else.
And there is a prophecy. Oh, Jerusalem, the land of

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Emmanuel. So speaking on that, I guess
this was a question I was going to bring up later, but we've
started to talk about Jerusalem now with everything that's going
on in the world with, you know, threats of wars and the wars,
Russia, Ukraine, Jerusalem, Palestine, advancement in

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technology and AI. What are these symbols?
As Christians, we look at this and say, OK, this is clear signs
that the end is near. Is this what the Bible spoke
about? Or what do we need to look for
to know that the end is coming? And to be prepared.
I believe there are a lot of signs, a lot of things that are
happening in our time and age. In the 21st century.

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There are a very strong indication that we are
definitely in the end of times, and we've gone considerably into
that. But when this sort of end is
going to come, well, you know, only the Lord Jesus knows, only
God knows. So, but the indications are
really saying the end is near. But on the other hand, we should

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always be focusing on the Lord more than what is happening.
Yes, we need to read the signs. And the Lord did encourage us to
read the signs and, and the Lord, he said read the signs.
For one thing, that my, my return is near.
So that means focus on me, even if it's a difficult time.
A lot of struggles are happening.

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A lot of wars are happening. And we do pray for Russia and
Ukraine, for peace to, to, to beaccomplished also between our
beloved, the, the Jewish people and the, and the Palestinians.
We pray that no more bloodshed. It's, it's very sad to see, you
know, innocent people being killed, especially like I can't
stand when a, when a child is crying or when an elderly person

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is crying. This really shatters me to
pieces. Shatters me.
It doesn't matter what our race,color and religious background
is. As human beings, we are all one.
We must love and respect and honor one another.
Human beings, we are equal. We are all 1.
So I pray honestly for all thesewars and this bloodshed to come

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to an end swiftly by by the grace of our Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ. But you know one thing, I, I
just, I pray for this humanity. Put aside your, your belief,
your faith, your religion. Put aside that as as human
beings we need to come back to our humanity.

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I believe we lost touch of that the western world to somewhat
time. They have been extremely
successful in talking about human rights.
You know, the focus is on human rights is enormous, but there is
2 side to this human being. There is the value of the human

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and there is the purpose of the human being.
The problem with the western world, it has become extremely
successful in giving value to that human, but they have failed
miserably in giving purpose to that human.
But until we find the purpose ofthe human, we can never give

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value. You see, if I don't know what
the purpose of this class, I can't give it value.
The value comes because of the purpose being determined first.
So if I don't know what the purpose of a human, I can't give
that human value. So what is the value of the
human being? Human rights, Human rights,
Human rights. We've been talking about human

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rights for decades at least. How about for a change we come
and say, how about we talk aboutwhat is the right to be a human,
not human rights? The right to be a human, not
human rights. The right to be a human is the
purpose. Human rights is the value.

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We focused on the value, ignoredthe purpose.
We destroyed the value as human beings.
If we were to find the right to be a human, why would I hate my
neighbor? Why would I kill my neighbor?

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Why would I destroy my neighbor?We're humans for God's sake and
even the non believer in God. You can't say you're not a human
because the moment you take yourself out of that circle, the
next time you talk I don't have to acknowledge you because I can

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only acknowledge humans like me.So we need to come back to this
humanity in order to realize, torealize the divinity because God
was seen and realized through the through the human.

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So I need to come back to that human.
I, I pray that we come back to our senses and say, what does it
benefit a man if he gains the whole world and then loses
himself? That's the Lord Jesus.
But again, he's teaching a humanbeing.

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He's not teaching a spirit. He's teaching that human being
to live as a human being with that human identity, with that
human dignity. What does it benefit a man if he
gains the whole world and then loses himself at the end?
Because I can conquer the whole world while Augustus Caesar
conquered it and so many other emperors and, and, and mighty

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empires, they conquered the world.
Where are they rotted and gone with the wind?
Did they take the world with them?
Did they take all that, you know, treasure and the pleasure?
No. So we need to learn from that
and come back and say, until when am I going to say I don't

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need my neighbor? I'm I'm the only one who is
better than everyone else. I need to destroy.
I need to divide and conquer. Until when?
Until when? Because at the end, I'll go to
the grave and I'll take nothing because the grave can only fit
me, nothing else with me. So we need to come back to that
human identity. And then we sit at the same

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table in order to talk about thedivine, the, the, the, the
creator of this human and the entire creation.
I pray that the human race, you know, realize this and come back
to this sense and focus on the purpose and not the value.
But you know why certain people ignore the purpose?

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Because to realize the purpose, I need to go back to my origin,
and my origin is God. I don't want to live God's way.
I want to live my way. There are three kind of
cultures, no more, no less. The names are in Greek,
theonymous culture, heteronomousculture, autonomous culture,

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theos God nomos law, God's law culture hedros another.
When I don't, when I don't believe in God, when I deny God,
then someone else will rule overme.
It's either God or someone else.So hedros another normos law,
another law culture. And there is the auto, non
autonomous culture, Autos self, normos law, self law culture.

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If I ask people of the 21st century, which culture out of
the three is our culture nowadays?
Definitely autonomous. It is my way or the highway,
brother. It is my way or the highway.
And this is where the dilemma is.
On that note, because you brought up a lot of valid
points, I want to ask a questionin regards to how society and

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how society and men sort of interact nowadays.
Men are some some men are becoming a little bit weaker and
weaker in our society, trying topush more toxic masculinity,
becoming a little bit more feminine.
How can a man stay to his values, his rights, and
ultimately remember his goal, which is to be with God?

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The man was created first and foremost to be in the presence
of God. Now from a Christian
perspective, when you go to the book of Genesis and the Garden
of Eden, when God created Adam, the former Adam, he placed him
in the garden which was in the presence of God.
And by the way, the word Eden has 2 meaning when you go back

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to the original text Hebrew, which was the original text of
the Old Testament, an Aramaic. I'm an Aramaic speaking person
or the Lord's language, Hebrew, Aramaic, even Arabic, they are
Semitic languages they are one family.
So Aramaic, Hebrew are same. So when you go to the word Eden
in Aramaic, it has two meanings.One it, it means Thanksgiving,

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praising all the beautiful things, but it also means a
moment Aden. Aden is a proper pronunciation
in Aramaic, Aden derives from the verb or the word adana.
Now adana means a moment. So Eden Aden comes from adana,
which is a moment. It is a moment when the man is

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in the presence of God. So when the man is in the
presence of God in that moment, that's when that man is
thankful, praising, happy, rejoicing, successful,
prosperous and the likes. The moment I lose that moment,
all those beautiful things disappear.

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All those beautiful things disappear.
So for a man to be successful like like Joshua, Joshua when he
says, but As for me and my household, we worship the Lord.
And John Chrysostom comes in the4th century.
He says if you wish to see the Kingdom of God on earth, see a

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family that worships the Lord Jesus, that is the Kingdom of
God on earth. Because what is the Kingdom of
God later on worshipping the Lord, a family getting together,
praising, thanking and worshipping God.
That's what it is. So when that when that man who
is the head of the family bows that head before the feet of the
Lord, the wife, the children will be submissive to the man,

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thus to the Lord Jesus, that that household will never fall,
because a wise man is the one who builds the house on the
rock, and the rock is Christ Jesus, the rock of all ages.
So my advice to every son, everyman, every husband, every
father, my beloved son, I kiss your hands and feet, I beg you,

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I beg you, you show the way to your wife and your children.
Worship the Lord, be in his holypresence.
Go to church, my son, at least Sunday.
Dedicate that day for the Lord Jesus and say to your family, to
your beloved wife and your beloved children, Honey, my

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children, tomorrow, Sunday, we're going to church to say to
our Lord Jesus, our heavenly Father.
Thank you, Lord, for this wonderful week.
Thank you, Lord, for my wife, for my children.
Thank you, Lord, for the food that is on the table.
Thank you for the roof of our head.
Thank you for the health. Thank you for this family.

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Lord, you are the head of this household.
You are our Lord, our Savior, our King.
We're coming today bowing at your feet, giving you the
family. Lord, the man, my son, you go to
the Lord and put your head before his feet and say, Lord, I
came today to give you my wife, to give you my children and
myself. All of us.

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We are at your feet. Do as you wish, and may your
name be glorified through this family.
Lord, this family is yours. We are all yours, Lord, when you
do that, my son, rest assure heaven of all heavens is yours.
Amen. So you bring bring up a point
about and I, this is something that I struggle with a lot

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because, you know, being a father and having a household,
you always try to provide what'sbest for your family.
Always try to, you know, I have ambitions.
I want to grow. I want to look after my family,
take the kids to great schools, take them on good holidays, give
them everything that they need. And I always feel very
conflicted because I feel that Iwork so hard career wise, work

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wise, and I put so much energy that I don't measure the same
energy to my spiritual life or to God godly life.
But I'm kind of in the position where I need to look after my
family. So how do I, how does a man
balance that position of, of wanting to be ambitious and
wanting to grow and provide for your family, but also, you know,
making sure you have a place forGod in your home and, and giving

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him his attention. And are the two conflicting or
can they work together? It can take a moment that
changes the life totally. Sometimes we, we think that I
need to do a lot, maybe to get the Lord's attention.
No, it takes a heartbeat that isgenuine.
It will get the Lord's attentionforever.

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You know, I took the the the person on the on the cross, the
thief on the cross. It just took one turn and he
says, Lord, Remember Me in your second coming in your Kingdom.
He said truly, I say to you today you will be with me in
paradise. So it took that moment to change
that life forever. Give that moment to the Lord.

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Yes, I know the man needs to provide.
He's busy. He's that and you've got,
especially if you're still young, you're ambitious, you
want to achieve and it's beautiful to be successful in
your business and whatever you do in life, it is good.
And sometimes we do get carried away with that and we think,
yes, OK, I went to 1 success. I need another, another level,
another level. And all of a sudden it's a never

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ending story. But I need to make that moment
possible where I go at the feet,at the feet of the Lord.
And I need to be Mary, not Martha for a moment.
Yes, because Martha is serving. That's ambitious.
Yeah, I'm running around. It's busy.
It's it's chaotic. But I need that moment when I
sit at the feet of the Lord. And he said, truly, I say to

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you, Martha, Mary has chosen thegood portion, you know, so that
will never be taken away from her.
When you go that moment as the husband, as the man, as the
father, and sit at the feet of the Lord and say, Lord, you
know, I'm trying to do this business and I'm trying to
achieve, yes, I want to provide for the family.
But Lord, you control me. What if I say I want to provide

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for the family? But then I'm becoming a little
bit selfish here. I'm taking your time away from
you and I'm taking the time awayfrom my family just because I
want to feel good about myself, you know?
So Lord, humble me, put me in that perimeter where I don't go
out of it. Control me, Lord.
Say it when you pray this. The Lord now is in charge.

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You've allowed him. He's waiting for this moment for
you to say it. Because he is love and he will
only work through freedom. He can't have love with that.
Freedom doesn't work when you remove.
When you remove freedom, that person is a slave.
A slave cannot love his master freely, forcefully.
He loves the Master. And the first moment he has to

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run away, he will. But the Son freely loves the
Father. Yeah.
So now I need to come and say, Lord, please.
Lord. I'm allowing you to be free in
my life. If I go outside of the boundary.
You're God. You know that.
Tap me. Bring.
Me back in, yeah. Twist my ear a little, a little
slam on the nappy and bring me back.

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Yeah, bring me back in line and put me back in line.
Lord, whatever I do, let it be your will.
Let it be your will. Lord, I have.
I've got this idea. I want to establish this
business. I want to pray first.
I'm asking you, Lord, I'm askingfor your blessing.
If it's your will for this business to be my for me, You

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will open the door. And if it's not good for me,
Lord, you close the door. I'm praying.
I'm asking you, Lord, when the door opens, walk.
When the door closes. Thank God.
Both ways. Either way, either way, thank
God. When the door opens, he's
answered you pray. When the door closes, he's
answered your prayer as well. Thank him for it.

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Always have the time to thank the Lord and pray to control
you. It's very easy for us to veer
off. And very easy.
Yeah. You've mentioned pray quite a
few times throughout this conversation and the importance
of it, so I'd be remissed if I didn't ask throughout this
conversation. But how do you pray, if that's
OK? And how can one be become more

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fervent with their prayer life? The Lord said about prayer
something extremely foundational, but this is the
Lord Jesus, he said. But As for me, I am a prayer.
I don't pray anymore. I became that prayer.

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So the Lord reached a level where He is the prayer itself.
He doesn't pray anymore. Now on a human level, how do I
pray? You know, when we begin, it's
always a learning curve. I get asked this question by my
beloved children, you know, sonsand daughters and and I I laugh

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like, you know, from love, you know, I said, oh, they're
gorgeous. I want to pinch them.
I want to hug them. They come to me.
Father, father, father. Yes, my darling.
When I pray, like would the Lordbe upset if I'm while I'm sort
of laying in my bed and you know, and just say, Lord, I love
you and couple of yawns with it.Well, you know, I'm tired.
He knows he's merciful. Yeah.
You know, what is my daughter like?

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OK, father, like, is it OK if I like, just stand?
Do I really need to kneel and, and bend my knees?
Like, it's kind of painful sometimes, you know, and, and,
and also father, like, do I needto pray for an hour, half an
hour? Like what's acceptable is is
like one minute. OK, So how do I, how do I pray?

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You see all this? It's beautiful coming from our
beautiful children. But this is not a prayer.
Well, this is not the way the Lord expects us to pray.
A prayer begins with the heartbeat.
Bum, bum, The Lord says if that heartbeat I see it is seeking

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me, searching for me, thirsty for me, hungry for me, I don't
need words. I'm love.
I'm the heart itself. I am that heart.
So when that heart beats for me,what words?

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And secondly, my child, do you think when you talk now I
understand what you're saying? Do you think by explaining
yourself? Oh, I didn't know you're talking
to God. I know you more than you.
I know what you will say before you say it, before it even gets
to your intellect. I know what you will say.

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I know what you will do. I knew exactly what you were
going to do before even creatinganything, before even creating
anything. I'm God.
So don't come thinking too hard.You spend your energy and now
you're exhausted before even praying.
Come as you are, you're talking to Dad.

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And by the way, when the Lord was approached by the 12
apostles and they said Lord teach us on how to pray in
Matthew 69 and Luke 11/3 he saidevery time you pray you say our
Father who art in heaven. Now the Lord taught this prayer
in Aramaic, not Hebrew in Aramaic.

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Aramaic is the slang language. Hebrew is the formal language.
Now in the slang language that the the actual transliteration
of the word abon or awan depending on the dialect a bond,
the literal transliteration should say our daddy who art in
heaven, not Father that's. That's Dave.

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Because because it's slang. Why?
The Lord taught it in Aramaic. He's deliberate.
He could have taught it in otherlanguages, but he chose the
slang language. Why?
Because he said, My son, when you come to talk to your dad, do
you talk formally or informally?Do you call him Mr. Smith?
Oh, guy, Dad, go, mate. What's up, brother?

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So you come informally because his dad, you speak formally with
strangers, but you speak informally with family members.
And above all is your dad. So I want you to come
informally. So don't think too hard.
You're wasting your breath. Just come and say Daddy, I love

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you. Daddy, I stuffed up.
I'm surely Daddy. Fix it for me, please.
And you know I love you, Dad. You know, like Simon Peter.
You know that I love you not I love you.
No, you first, then me last. You know that I love you, Dad.

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But you know, I'm weak, Dad. So but I, I wanted to know also.
I wanted to hear this, Dad, I adore you.
I love you, Dad. Now whether I'm standing,
whether I'm sitting, whether I'msleeping, whether I'm yawning,
whether I'm snoring, Dad, you are my love.

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And let Dad teach you how to pray so.
This would have been shocking inthe context because the Jews
always regarded God so highly you couldn't even say his name.
So when they asked him to pray and I didn't know that he, he
used it in that informal way. That must have been a shock for
people to hear, yes. Absolutely, because, because it

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says since since when I came, I came to make God to be your dad.
So now there is no formalities, but there's one thing Dad will
always be dad. So honor and respect must be
always withheld there. Don't ever lose track that this
dad is God. So you need to approach him
with, with, with reverence, withrespect, with honor.
But don't be formal because if Iam formal with dad at home, that

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is life imprisonment. That's suffocating.
So I'll get up in the morning and I'll say good day, Daddy, go
mate, give me 10 bucks. I want to get a fish burger and
a chocolate sundae. And dad will say, what do you
want it for? None of your business, Dad, just
give me the 10 bucks, will you? That's it.
You see, the difference between a son and a slave is one thing.
The slave works to be paid, the son gets paid to work.

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Well. The slave works to be paid, the
son gets paid in order to work because the son is the
inheritor. What is my dad's is mine, and
the Lord said it. No, I love this because I feel
that sometimes we don't understand that relationship.
So what could happen is you don't pray or you put off

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praying because of that. So because if you feel, oh, I'm
not really in the zone to be formal, I'm not really in the
zone to stand up and pray or give God this or that.
So then you end up not doing it.That could be a device from the
devil to say, hey, you're not ina state to pray.
Don't pray now. Yeah.
Absolutely. I don't know if I can say this,
but you know, so many young, youknow, like young men and women,
they approach, approach me and they say one day this young man

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came. I'll never forget.
He said Bishop. I said, don't call me Bishop,
call me your father. I love it.
You know, Dad is beautiful. I I said, do I really have to go
to church? I said no, you don't have to.
He said what he said. Yeah, you heard it right.
You don't have to go to church. Who told you that?
He said, my mom always keeps on saying you have to go to church.

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You have to go to church. Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah.
So I'm. I'm fed up of this.
I'm over this. I said no, no, no.
You don't have to go to church. Your mom is wrong and you don't
have to read the Holy Bible, youdon't have to pray, you don't
have to fast. He was shocked.
He said whoa Bishop like I love you man, you made it easy for

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me. I said, but let me ask you a
question before you go and tell mom and get into trouble.
I said let me ask you this question my son and be honest
with yourself. I said do you love the Lord
Jesus? He said yes, I do.
I said then you have to go to church.
At the inner of this I. Said my son, there is no such

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thing in Christianity as have to, since it's based on love.
In love there is no have to. I want to.
I choose to do it freely becausewith love there is freedom, and
with freedom it is my will choosing to do the love, the
person I love. I love serving them.

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I love making them happy. I love doing this for them.
It is my honor, my privilege. It is my natural reaction to
them, towards them. So my son, when it comes to the
Lord Jesus, the Lord is love. When it comes to love, there is
no such thing as have to. But when you say I love the
Lord, then going to church, praying, fasting, reading the

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Holy Bible is the result of thatlove for Christ, not the other
way around. It's not an obligation, it's a
love. It's a fruitful result of that
love. I love you, Lord, so much.
I was glad when they said to me,let us go to the House of the
Lord, said it, King David. I was glad not upset with my

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parents dragging me to the church.
Now I need to be glad to be going.
Why? Because the love of my life is
awaiting for me in the church. I'd love to pray my Daddy.
What is prayer? To be in His presence.
That's what prayer is, to be in His holy presence.
So if you love somebody, don't you want to be in their

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presence? So when when you love someone,
don't you want to hear them talking to you?
Read the Holy Bible, they're talking to you.
One of one of the church fatherswhere the, the church I belong
to, he says every time you standto pray, you are talking to God.
And every time you read the HolyBible, God is talking to you.

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And this is the true love. A two way St.
It's a two way St. not one way reading the Holy Bible.
God is talking praying. I'm talking the.
Blessed Pope Carlos that he saidthere are no good days and bad
days on this earth. There is.
There's early good, there's early days with prayer, and
there's days without prayer. And you mentioned the name that
I die for. Yeah, Pope Carlos, we had this

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conversation off camera that you've had a few interactions or
situations with him. Can you explain a little bit
about your story with Pope Carlos?
He. Loves you're.
Getting into trouble one day I went to the beautiful and the
Blessed Monastery of Saint Shenuda in party.

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We go back a long, a long time, a long way.
You know, when I when I was Buena Pavlos and Buena Visa
Buena Pavlos, he was the founderlike The Who established the
monastery and I used to go there.
I was still a Deacon at the timeand I see him all dirty and all
muddy and all concrete and he's building.

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It was, it was hands on, beautiful, beautiful.
Anyway, so one day I was going to get an A big icon of Saint
Mina, Marmina. So at the time I came to know
Marmina, I wasn't very familiar with Pope Cyril Bob Carlos.

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Anyway, so I went to the monastery, into the bookshop
there and one of the monks was there and I said, look, I, I
need an icon of Saint Mina and Iwant it big.
So I started going through him and came across one that
belonged to Pop Cyril. He said, how about this one?
I said no, no, I don't want thisone.
I didn't know how much. I said no, no, I don't want this
one. He said look, there is no

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difference. They're together.
Trust me, they're together. Madamina, Pop Cyril, they're
they're the same. I said no, no, no, no, I want
Madamina, please. He looked, he looked, he looked.
He said, I can't find the size you want.
He said take this one. I said no, no, thank you.
I drove back. It's about 2 1/2 hour drive,
right? All the 2 1/2 hours.
My conscience is killing me. I felt so belittled, so ugly, so

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miserable, so bad. I said all the way.
I'm thinking. I said I was rude.
How could I say, like they're All Saints.
Yeah, but made that my pop Cyrilforgive me and I'm sure he
forgave me. But I said, look, I I don't know
you like I'm sorry, like I I really want Madamine.
So all the way I got home, I satin the car and I went back the

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same same hour like I went back 2 1/2 hours again.
I went to the bookshop straight there.
I said give me pop Cyril. He said just before you got
somebody took it. I said he's angry with me now.
I could not forgive myself. He said they took it.

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I said Oh no, please. And I in my heart, I said, Pop,
Cyril, I'm really sorry. Look, I don't know you much, OK?
Look, I really I didn't mean anything bad, but it came out
maybe in a not a right way. Please forgive me.
So for about a month, never leftmy heart, my mind, this haunting
thought. One day I went to this church

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and this priest came out of nowhere.
He said, Bishop, this is for you.
No, no, sorry. I was a Deacon at the time.
I won't forget. He said, this is for you.
Big icon of Pop Cyril. And he was smiling.
I said thank you, Sir. You know, I've said no, thank

(01:35:50):
God. I'm not in trouble.
They're amazing. Pop Cyril is.
Yeah. Beautiful.
So after what we just spoke about to bring it on a more
happier note if possible, I justwanted to ask what is the most
comforting verse in the Bible for you?

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What what verse or what book or whatever the case may be brings
you the most joy when you think about it?
Love. Never fails. 3 words First
Corinthians 13/8 Every time I think of a verse in the Holy
Bible this comes #1 to my mind. I'm not saying it's a holy
Bible. It's all amazing.

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It's the, it's the word of of God.
So they're all precious and gemsand precious stones and precious
pearls. But this always comes to mind.
Love never fails. It comforts me because I say God
is with me because God is love and he's with me.

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So I'll, I'll never fail as longas he's with me.
So I'm, I'm holding on to you, Lord, through your grace and
through that love that you've shown me, I'm holding on to you
so you never fail me. I I believe and I know that, but
through your love and through your grace and mercy, I will
never fail you and thus will be united in that love in heaven

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later on. 3 words such a deep. Meaning yes.
Amen. So, Bishop, I, I find that you
have a very bold character and I, and I admire that a lot about
you. And there's another character
that I, I admire. Her name's Candace Owens.
I don't know if you've heard of her.
Yeah, I have actually. Yeah, so she's, she's very bold
in her Christianity and I it's kind of shocking.

(01:37:35):
So sometimes when you when you watch.
So I wanted to show you a clip and the, the point of it is I, I
look at it and I actually admireher and I, and I wish I have
that boldness to be able to be in that position and to just,
you know, hold fast to my faith and my beliefs.
But then other people might lookat it and say, oh, it's a bit
abrupt. It's a bit, you know, that's not
loving. But there's, there's, there's

(01:37:55):
this balance between love, showing love, but also the
truth. So I'll just show you the clip
1st and we'll we'll play it on the camera for the people at
home. Sex marriage.
But what do you think about samesex marriage?
It's a sin. You think it's a sin.
So you think I'm sinful. What's that?
You think I'm sin? Simple.

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Because I'm married to a man? Yeah, you do.
Yes, you're sinning. You are in a sinful
relationship. I don't believe.
I actually don't believe marriage can be between two men.
So just a short clip. It's obviously a longer
interview, but there was a lot of other things that came up
and, you know, she was very firmon her faith with that boldness.
In your opinion, is that what doyou think about that?

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Is that great boldness for God? Or could it be said in a gentle
way? Or should it be said in a gentle
way? Or does it do?
Sometimes you have to just be very direct with what you
believe. I, I believe as far as human
beings are concerned, everybody is different.
We are all unique because this is the way God created us.
Everybody has their own unique finger fingerprint and their

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identity, personality. So in that sense, everybody will
sort of say this in their own, you know, way.
But on the other side, a time will come where you need to be
straightforward. There is no other way.
And by being bold in, in certaintimes, in certain situations,

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that doesn't mean that I am now discriminating or I'm judging or
I'm attacking as some may perceive it.
But then again, if they perceiveit this way, it is only natural
for a human being to react according to the way they are at
the time. So no hard feelings in other
words. But the truth must be said.
And the truth is not about me orthe other person or about this

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particular lifestyle or that lifestyle.
The truth is God comes back to God.
And when it comes back to God, as a believer in God, as a
Christian, as a believer in the Lord Jesus, who is God revealed
in the flesh, as a believer in the Holy Trinity, the Father,
Son and Holy Spirit, as true Christians, I have the right to

(01:40:03):
express what my faith is all about.
Sometimes I wonder, and more so in the Western world where they
say, where they talk about democracy.
Then how can you on one hand speak about democracy and on the
other hand, there is no democracy when it comes to me
standing up for my faith, standing up for my belief system

(01:40:26):
and saying what I believe in allof a sudden now I'm I'm a judge,
mental discriminative person. I'm attacking, but how come if
others say things about me, theyhave the right but I don't?
So where is democracy here? Where is the freedom of speech,
freedom of religion? And where is the fairness in
here? And when has it been the case?

(01:40:50):
If we discuss things in a civilized way, all of a sudden
it is attacking. So where is civility here?
Where is it? So now I, I never go attack a
person to say you cannot live inthis particular way and and I'm

(01:41:13):
not going to let go until you come back from that wrong way.
I don't do that. But if you are going to impose
what you believe in and the way you live upon me and my
children, then I have the right to defend myself, my family.
And above all, I have the right to speak the truth that is my

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Lord Jesus Christ. Now, now, like this topic, I've,
I've, we've spoken about this like even in our, you know,
Bible preaches, you know, duringBible preaches and other times.
And I believe also there was an interview a while back where
they were talking about this particular lifestyle, you know.

(01:41:56):
Yeah, one day on one of our visits to America, we were in
California and we visited this family and, and, and the people
that were there, one of the concerned mothers turned to me
and said, Bishop, I just want toask you something.
My daughter mentioned to me and I didn't have an answer to.

(01:42:20):
She really cornered me. She said, my daughter, she's a
teenager, 18 year old. She came from school.
And she said, mom, we're Christians.
Yeah, she said yes, we believe in the Lord Jesus.
Yes. And mom, I've heard you say
sorry like my eyes. Sometimes it's theory.

(01:42:41):
This is the damage that I am no problem.
So we hear you say that that Godis love and and and all that.
Yes, yes, my daughter. Well, how come?
How come as Christians and as believers in this God who is all
love and and mercy, how come we are judging people that are

(01:43:03):
living in this particular lifestyle, You know, same sex.
Aren't we judging them? And didn't God, didn't the Lord
Jesus say do not judge lest you be judged?
She said the reply of the motherwas but daughter they are living
in sin like what was mentioned in this short video but they are

(01:43:26):
living in sin. But then the mother said to me,
my daughter came back and said aren't we all sinners?
So what's the difference? Don't you sin mom, don't I sin?
Yes well they sin, we sin so what's the difference?
We're all sinning. So what gave you the right to
judge a Sinner like you? She said I couldn't answer her

(01:43:47):
back. I said look with all love and
respect. And I'm saying it again now with
all love and respect. I'm not judging, I'm not
attacking, I'm not discriminating.
But this particular lifestyle, if we look at it from the
naturalistic way, it is unnatural.
And if we look at it from the theological way, it is against

(01:44:08):
God both ways, not just God, because the person may come and
say, well, I don't believe in your God.
OK, fair enough. You don't believe in God.
Well, let's come in the natural way.
It's unnatural. Even the person that loves that
lives in a same sex kind of relationship, Where did you come
from? A male and a female, didn't you?

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You didn't come out of thin air.You came out of a male and a
female. So even in the natural, you
know, realm, it is unnatural. Now in the theological approach,
well, God said it very clearly in the beginning God created
male and female Adam and Eve, assome say it wasn't Adam and Eve,

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it was Adam and Eve, Adam and Eve, male and female, He created
him. So now what is the issue with
this lifestyle? When I come as a Christian, as a
believer, is it only sin? No, because if it was only sin,
no one has the right to make anystatement about it.
Any concern, any, any judgement,because we are all sinners.

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And so true. But it is not only a sin, it is
beyond that sin. It is a crime against God.
And what is that crime against God?
It is to do with the human identity.
It's not just sin, it's above sin, human identity.

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Now, human identity is extremelyfoundational and cannot be
changed. When God creates someone to be a
male, this is the identity God gave that human being to be a
male. When that male comes and says
I'm a woman, I'm a female. That human being denied the

(01:45:58):
human identity. So when he says I'm a female
now, he ended up being neither male nor female because his
identity given by God to him wasa male identity.
The day you wiped that male identity, you have wiped every
other identity you choose to be.So now you're no longer male, no

(01:46:21):
longer female. Then the issue is who am I
dealing with now? This is what I mentioned earlier
that as human beings, we need tocome back to our humanity, we
need to identify ourselves. Who am I, what am I as a human?

(01:46:42):
So when, when somebody changes their identity, a God-given
identity, then now it is no longer a sin as if as in the, in
the sense of I made a mistake like in sinning normal life,
day-to-day, you know, life. But no, it is now I'm saying to

(01:47:04):
God, you did not know how to create or I'm saying to God what
you created. I'm wiping now because now I'm
God and I choose my identity, myway.
So now it is a blasphemy in a way and it is a direct offense

(01:47:30):
to the divine, direct offense tothe divine.
When we sin on a day-to-day basis, I'm sinning against
another human being. It is an indirect sin against
God. And this is where God, when he
gave that 10 commandments to Moses, he gave them on 2
tablets, 4 on 1/6 on the other, the four are direct to God.

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The other six are direct to humanity.
So there are sins made against humanity and there are sins made
made against God directly. This kind of a sin is a direct
sin against God. It's denying God's given
identity to the human being. So when that identity is denied,

(01:48:15):
who am I talking with? You see, why did God become men?
For one reason. Because as a human being, he
knows he's my creator. He knows I can only relate to
someone else who shares my nature.

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I can only enter a relationship with another human being when I
when I, when I talk about relationship, you know, people
will say, well, well, we have birds, we have dogs, we have
cats. Yeah.
But that kind of relationship isdifferent to a relationship
where you establish a family. Yes.
So when I come to establishing afamily, which is my identity,

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God is family, God is family. So this lifestyle wipes the
family. So it's against the essence of
God. It's against who God is really.
God is God is family, Father, son, Holy Spirit, his family.
So this relationship is an abomination of family bond.

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I could, I could talk a lot about this.
It's a very, it's a very sensitive like I'm talking with
love and humility. Honestly, I pray for those who
live in this lifestyle. I pray for them.
I love them, but I cannot acceptthe lifestyle.
I love them for themselves. I'll pray for them always, but
to accept the lifestyle I cannot.

(01:49:52):
Why am I now an enemy? I'm not.
Am I forcing you not to live this way?
No, Everybody's free. God gave the freedom to the
human race. I'm not the judge.
He is. I'm not judging my dear friend.
But if you coming and imposing this upon me, no, you have no
right now. You are in breach of every law.

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Now, if we are fair as a government, if we are fair, then
we need to be fair across the board.
Why are you fair in one area andnot in the other?
I'm not attacking, I'm being attacked.
And when I'm standing to defend,all of a sudden I'm the attacker
and I'm in the wrong. Where is the fairness, my

(01:50:34):
beloved government? Where is it now?
This lifestyle destroys family bond the way God wants the
family to be on the psychological side.
Now are they going to deny psychology?
Like when this scientist came and he was saying Mother Nature

(01:51:00):
created everything, Well, one ofthem said to him, he said, well,
you need to remove the faculty of psychology from our
universities because now you're saying there is no psychology
anymore because Mother Nature isa pre wired thing.
So 1 + 1 = 2. So where is the emotions?
Where is the feelings? Where is it?

(01:51:22):
So remove psychology. And if you're going to remove
psychology, then you'll have to you'll have to answer to the
faculty of psychology. You'll be in deep trouble.
The professors will come and smither you.
It's acknowledged. It's it's taught.
Yeah. So now on a psychological level,
on a theological level, let someone say I don't believe in

(01:51:45):
Christianity or in Christ. On a psychological level, my
dear friend, a male and a female, what influences a male
and what influences a female? We need to know this.
This is go and study it. Yes, nothing to do with faith.
Go and study it. What influences the male and
what influences the female? What influences the male is

(01:52:08):
logic. What influences the female is
feelings and emotions. And This is why when a male goes
shopping, it's totally differentwhen a female goes shopping.
When a male goes shopping, he wants to buy.
Since the glass is here, a glassof this, this glass, he will go
straight to that aisle. He'll pick up the glass and out
of that shopping center in no time.

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The female wants to buy a glass.She will go to every shopping
center, Parramatta, Westfields, Liverpool, Westfields, every
Westfield in the entire Sydney region.
And after 23 and .59 minutes andthere's only one minute left to
the 24 hour cycle, she'll come and says to her husband, honey,

(01:52:50):
let's buy the glass now. The husband is on the verge of
collapse. He's finished, he's gone.
Now. Why did she go around, around,
around, around and the last thing to buy was what she
intended to go and buy initially.
Because she wants to feel things.
She wants to go and taste this one, touch, this one, smell,
this one, Chanel, Versace and the likes.

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She wants to feel it. Then she'll go.
The man is logic. 1 + 1 = 2. He says, what's the point of
going in circle, get what you want and get out of there.
But the woman says no honey, I need to feel it.
Logic influences the male feelings, Emotions influences
the female. When a relationship is same sex,

(01:53:34):
the child is scarred forever. The child will miss either the
logic or the feelings and the emotions.
The child is scarred. When that When you scar a child.
Oh my goodness. The most crucial times in any

(01:53:57):
human being's life. First, the first nine months in
the mother's womb. The most crucial the second
crucial time foundational in a child life.
The first three years after birth.
When you, when you, when you seesomeone who has a loss of

(01:54:19):
memory, dementia, whatever they call and I pray healing for
everyone who is sick in whichever hospital they are.
When somebody has lost their memory, they will forget what
they have said, what they have eaten, what they have done 5
minutes ago. But they will tell you word for
word everything they've done at childhood.
They will remember their childhood.

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They will forget 5 minutes ago, but they will remember their
childhood and could be 70 years ago.
Why? Because that's a proof from God
that the first three ES are the most crucial.
You scour a child in the mother's womb.
You scour a child in their firstthree ES.
They are scarred for the rest oftheir life.

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So it's a destruction of the human identity, destruction of
the family bond, which the West doesn't focus on family bond,
they focus on individualism. And that's why there is no
healthy society in the Western world.
Bishop, just because we are running a little bit tight on
time, I would love to ask this final question that we want to

(01:55:26):
ask to all of our guests from when we first started to in the
future. And the question is pretty
simple. It's centered around the whole
idea. What does it mean to be the salt
of the earth, and how can we become the salt of the earth?
What does it mean to be the saltof the earth?
Is I to dissolve like the salt? This is spear for Christ to be
seen and for the taste of Christto be made possible in every

(01:55:51):
person's life. The Lord said you are the salt
of the earth, which is Matthew 5, and I could say that 513
absolutely amazing. The salt is taken from the
ocean. The Lord is talking here about
the soul that is taken from the ocean.
The ocean in the biblical sense represents the world.
So He's, the Lord said I chose you from the world, and now you

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are no longer of the world. You were of the world, but since
I chose you, you belong to me. You live in the world, but you
are not of the world. You live for me, but you were in
the ocean, which is the world. Biblically speaking.
I came, I took you out of the world.
I chose you to be mine. Now the salt is made out of two

(01:56:32):
components, both poisonous. One is sodium, the other is
chlor. Sodium on its own poisonous.
Chlor on its own is poisonous. But when the two mixed together
at the right measurement by the MasterChef, that food becomes
the tastiest of all. So when the chef comes, the

(01:56:56):
MasterChef comes in this instance is Christ our Lord and
King. When the MasterChef comes and he
says I took you out of the ocean, you are the salt sodium
and chlor. I mixed the two together.
I gave it the balanced level because I'm the MasterChef.
I gave it that must that balance.

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I I put you in that food. When you put put that salt in
the food, the salt disappears. You don't see it.
You only taste the salt. You do not see the salt anymore.
When people eat the food, they say delicious, so tasty,
amazing. I want to bite my fingers after
that beautiful meal. Why was it so tasty, so

(01:57:37):
beautiful? It was the salt that faded away
and disappeared in there. The Lord says you're the salt.
In this sense, when you dissolvein me and allow people to taste
me, not you, then you are the true salt.
And I was really worried becausewe asked this question to
everyone and I was telling Simoneventually we maybe we're going

(01:57:59):
to have the same answer every time, but this was the.
Other thing is sodium and chlor 2 components that make the salt.
So as two component make the human being body and spirit.
These are the 2 main components.The third one God created to tie
the two together, which is the soul.
The soul is to tie the body withthe spirit together, but the two

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main components is body and spirit.
Let's assume for a moment sodiumis the body and chlor is the
spirit alone is poisonous, dangerous.
When a person is only physical, you know, earthly, very
dangerous. And when a person is only
spiritual, very, very dangerous.Have you heard of an oversaved

(01:58:40):
Christian That is a Christian that is all spirit, spirit,
spirit. Yet they forget they are still
living in the body. An oversafe Christian is when
you are sitting with them at Mecca's, right?
And here comes the Aussie accent, mate.
GAO, mate. So when the Aussie accent came
on board and I'm sitting at Mecca's and I say man, I'm

(01:59:00):
hungry and the opposite Christian will say Jesus said I
am the living bread that descended from heaven.
He who eats me shall never hunger again.
All right. And then after a couple of
minutes man, I'm thirsty. Jesus said I'm the living water
you would drinks. We shall never thirst again.
OK mate, you start looking for your car keys.
You can't find them. I think I lost my car keys.

(01:59:23):
Jesus said you need the keys to enter the Kingdom of heaven.
Relax brother, we're at Mechus. I don't drive a Kingdom.
I can't fit it in my garage. Just give me a break.
You and your Jesus. That is an over saved Christian
exaggerating about their faith. Don't be too spiritual
poisonous. Don't be just physical

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poisonous. Balance.
Who's going to balance it? The master chef Christ.
Give yourself to Christ, body and spirit.
Let him put you in the right measurement where the people
taste you and say we've tasted, we've tasted Christ through this
person well. If I can say after it's, it's

(02:00:04):
already been two hours and a bit.
I wish I could do this for another 10 hours, but from what
I've taken from this, you have such a contagious joy and a love
of our God. And I hope for our listeners who
listen to this, they can say that as well because sitting
here right next to you, you really are passionate about God
and love God. And I hope that's what people

(02:00:27):
can take from this and all the other lessons that you've shown,
plus great analogies, fantastic analogies.
Thank you, thank you. We thank the Lord Jesus for you
my beloved George and Simon, I pray the Lord makes you that
salt of the earth where people taste Christ through you.
My beloved, may this podcast be a beacon of light for those ship

(02:00:48):
who are lost in this world to come to that light and reach the
shores of peace who is Christ Jesus.
May God use you for his glory. May God bless you, bless your
families, bless your loved ones,and bless all our beloved
viewers. I love you, I love you, I love
you, but I always say this, but Jesus loves you the most.
God bless you all. Thank you.

(02:01:09):
Thank you, Bishop.

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