June 16, 2025 • 28 mins
Bubba Startz welcomes guests Solomon Witherspoon, Victor Martinez, and Chantel Taylor, exploring their involvement with Zenith City Radio and an upcoming gala event. They delve into personal motivations, the importance of community, and collaboration in enhancing audience engagement and artist support. The discussion extends to Zenith City Radio's future vision and the growth opportunities with The Scene Projects. They highlight the broadcasting landscape's future and the significance of non-monetary value. A song contest underscores the importance of collaboration, while the episode encourages podcasting endeavors. It wraps up with closing remarks and a glimpse into future plans.
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Hey down here.
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It's beautiful.
Welcome into a very exciting episode of TheScene.
I'm your host Bubba Starts.
I am joined by three, lovely individuals whohave driven a long ways to connect with us out
here the road.
Of course we are at the beautiful Dunmyers OnThe Lakes here in Brainerd, Minnesota.
Fantastic venue, for the last two days of lessthan that, even thirty six hours of making
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music out here and enjoying being right on thelake and being in this culture.
Hence the choice of footwear.
But I want to give you all, because we've justmet and I haven't done my research on any of
you yet, that's kind of how I like to rollhere.
I love meeting new people and, this is the bestway to do it.
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So go ahead and introduce yourself going downthe line and give us the give us the little
short a short five one one on who you are so wecan move forward from there.
and foremost, thank you ever so kindly forhaving us and taking out some time of your day.
Solomon Witherspoon from Duluth, Minnesota.
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I am the president of Zenith City Radiocurrently.
Quick background, 02/2001, I tried for theChicago bears.
02/2002, I tried for the falcons.
02/2003, I tried it for the Cowboys.
I was with Prince's crew for about ten years.
You know, my two albums, have the new powergeneration instrumentation in my two albums.
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Me and Victor go back probably over a decadeand we've been making music and making hits and
making songs and just bringing everybodytogether collectively.
Period.
Know?
Everyone needs a helping hand and that's whatwe do.
We unite and we engage and we're solutions.
You know what I'm saying?
So thanks for having us brother.
Yeah.
This is beautiful and awesome.
Vic, he mentioned you already so go ahead andwe'll just let you kind of do the same thing
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here and we'll keep building on the biggerstory with our individual stories.
Yeah, I'm from Las Vegas.
I moved to the area when I was roughly 11, 12ish, moved up here.
My family had some family up here.
And I've been doing music literally for, gosh,twenty five plus years.
I've had several commercial recording studios,produced well over 20 artists, and probably
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over 300 different types of songs, all types ofgenres, mostly hip hop, though.
And we're doing Xena City Radio right now.
We've had this for about three years.
It's really taken off.
We have the biggest big show with SolomonWeatherspoon that's on iHeart, all platforms.
Just it's it's been wonderful.
Just just interviewing people from all types ofbackgrounds, and it's been amazing.
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And the radio station's up, way up with thelisteners just from the two years, like
doubling, tripling.
And we're all over on every platform.
We have a huge listener base in Europe country,and it's just grown from there.
We just continue to to connect with people suchas yourself and to bring a whole community of
content creators, entrepreneurs, musicianstogether.
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We're doing a business gala June 29 in inDuluth.
It's gonna be wonderful.
We're going have a lot of city people there.
We're inviting everybody.
It's a free event.
We're going have an after party, red carpet,keynotes keynote speakers.
We just added that.
So it's going to be amazing at the Clyde.
So, yep.
And it's taking that digital platform and allof that attention that you've garnered and then
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being able to use that in the real world now tobring people together to do And we saved the
best for last.
Why don't you go ahead and tell us, you know,obviously you're the boss of this opportunity.
We all know that sitting here, but why don'tyou tell us a little bit about yourself.
My name is Chantelle Turner, but I excuse me,Taylor.
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Chantel Taylor.
But I also go by missus Martinez.
And I'm the creative director at the New CityRadio.
And maybe there are some public strains.
I have my figures in just about everything wedo.
That's fantastic.
And obviously Zena City Radio is the platform.
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So why don't we start with that.
What is the difference between what you'redoing and maybe what's available out there on
the market already?
What makes you different with Xenus City Radio?
Being the CEO of Zenith City Radio, I reallywanted to connect with people on a bigger
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scale.
I wanted to have a platform that we can promoteothers' music.
And I think the interactions that I've had,I've talked to artists throughout the country
that have reached out and to have that, again,that connection.
Like, there's a lot of platforms where yousubmit your music and it gets spin here and
there.
But the and the extra work that we put in toreally help promote artists and business, I
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think makes us stand apart from others.
But you also have the events aspect where we'redoing concerts, we're raising money for
charities, we're out here putting on thesegalas.
We wanna take it on the road.
We're actually Saint Louis is one of the placeswe wanna hit up.
I have a lot of connections down there.
And it's been requested in Las Vegas, Atlanta,and then probably in Minneapolis.
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But it's just a beautiful thing to see so manypeople from different backgrounds come together
and really put on a platform that is unique andcan showcase so much.
And and a lot of the people that come to mehave said, you know, we've never done anything
like this.
We've never been to a gallery.
We've never been to you know, I've never beenon the radio.
We've never had a podcast.
You know, you're giving us this opportunitythat no one else is literally doing.
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So
yeah.
Because we try to do everything affordably.
Yeah.
And we try to keep it on on on budgets.
You know, we we wanna have it so everybody canget in on what we're doing.
At the end of the day, it's about promotion.
It's about investing in our community.
And I think it's been wonderful.
The outpouring of support restarted has beenamazing.
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We I took a break because my mother had gottensick in 2023 when we had launched everything,
and she had passed last year.
And we just did an interview with the DuluthTribune, and I said, you know, you know, I tell
everybody, like, my mother would've wanted meto continue this.
She would've want me to keep doing what I lovedoing and keep making her proud.
I feel that that's why this is this is alsodifferent.
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This feels different because I have my mother'sspirit and her and her vibe and her everything
behind what I'm doing.
So it just it feels it feels like I'm onanother level because I feel like my mother's
like, just keep doing your passion.
Keep living your dream and keep moving forwardtowards your destiny.
That's what she always said?
Yep.
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She always said that.
How lovely.
How lovely that you're operating with thatmentality.
Right?
Because a lot of people I realize now thatdon't carry that.
We don't carry the spirit of our ancestors.
And you see a lot of I think that's why youhave such a broken family structures around our
whole planet right now.
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Right?
Especially in this country.
But the family is so far from the center ofmost people's universes.
It starts at home.
It starts in a church for a lot of people.
That you become bigger than yourself.
And that's kind of what you're building.
It's no different than what we're building withthe SCENE projects.
It is communities.
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And then we're all getting together andbringing our communities to each other through
these galas and these galas, in theseconferences.
And we talk about content creator conferencesor just get together, right?
And everybody who are stars of their own showare all willing to turn that camera around and
go, No, but look at the people I'm with.
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Look at the stars that I hang out with.
And we've really caught fire with that.
My partner El Pablo one time with me on thistour behind the camera a lot but just as much
the star of the show as well.
And realizing that it's all one big movie.
We keep saying this is a movie and it's likeyeah it's the movie that never ends.
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It just goes for over.
We are our own reality shows and people arereally into this, And now it becomes a lot more
interesting because you're bringing these otherworlds together.
And when everybody kind of has a centrallocation and then a format for how you
communicate and how you scratch each other'sbacks.
Right?
You know what I mean?
Making sure you're getting on and you'rehitting that follow button.
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Not just hitting the follow button, butFacebook will let you invite a thousand friends
to your friends pages.
If you're not being that friend that goesthrough there, and it's one of the things I do
when I meet anyone, is like, man, if I likeyour stuff, cool.
If I'm gonna hit that and hit that.
Because now it's a habit.
Right?
I've just been doing it for so long that it'sjust a habit.
And yeah, a thousand people don't go and likeyour page right away.
But now it's in their notification box and thenpops up later.
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And you get these residual attention that ispowerful and it takes five seconds.
Right?
That's right.
I think if we all start to tap into eachother's world a little bit more, which is
exactly why we're all driving across the damncountry to do it.
Because we have a shared vision, right?
We've all been kind of given this missiontogether to go, hey this is how you're going to
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cripple that behemoth of attention, right?
The ABCs, the NBCs, like network television andthen cable.
And it's just been dwindling, right?
The attention pie in the 60s was divided threeways, right?
You had the three stations and that was it.
And now it is so fragmented into a millionpieces that what we're finding now is only by
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teaming up with other creators.
Correct.
And building your own networks of people hostsand shows.
You have to have so much content.
You have to be your own cable network, 20fourseven content is what the people crave.
It's like when we were talking off camera,release a long form video every single day plus
our shorts and everything to keep up with that.
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And we need that times 24.
Correct.
You know what I mean?
To even stretch the surface of what cable does.
It's awesome to reach other people that realizewe're not going to get there without helping
one another.
And it's going to take a lot of work.
But the rewards of it when you're helping otherpeople, you're helping creators to go and make
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a $40,000 $50,000 a year living just playingmusic or creating whatever they're doing.
Hosting podcasts.
How rewarding that's going to be in two orthree more years right when we're reviewing
tape and going hey!
When it was a baby right?
And that's why we won't tape.
And I kind of said regardless of what thequality is we don't worry about being the most
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professional thing right now.
We're just trying to archive what the hellwe're doing.
There you go.
That's what it's really about.
Chantel, talk about the actual nuts and boltsof getting the creative actually out into the
world.
Now are you guys an internet radio station?
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We are.
As well?
So you have music that's going 20 fourseven?
Yep.
Right?
Alright.
That's huge.
So do you do the programming then?
I help with some.
He does a lot of it.
This guy I met him over a decade ago.
He was known as DJ Vegas Vice.
So he's the music man.
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He he finds the most fire remixes and DJs
I've ever came to that.
For real.
His his ear for music is so insane.
I love it so much.
Mhmm.
And there's there's there's a lot more to it.
So the creative side is driven by our internalsoul's desire for the interconnected,
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interdependent way of living with other people.
And for Victor and I, we shine when we helpothers shine.
My background is in human services.
I have a degree in human services, so I I feellike I always have to be doing something to
help the world.
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I'm an advocate of all sorts of differentkinds.
And using this platform to help others shine iswhy we do it.
It's it's we're not trying to make a make abunch of money.
We just wanna survive.
Right.
Maybe enough to thrive.
Right.
You
know?
And we use everything around us to helpinspire.
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And take you for example.
This guy is gonna do all sorts of stuff to puttogether a package of promotional material for
you that he's gonna put out there for you.
And maybe I'll have my hands in that.
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No one ever gets to know.
No one ever gets to know.
We drive we pull our inspiration from thepeople that we work with.
Right.
And trying to get to know them and theirmission and their story to help really show
that and help it shine.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
And you know another thing really quick aboutthe whole thing with the radio station.
So we're commercial radio station.
And I try to teach artists about protectingthemselves, Registering with the royalty
collections, making sure you're readingeverything if you ever sign anything.
That's a big part of what we do.
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And our station does pay royalties out throughour host.
So we're licensed in every country.
In every royalty collection agency, we areregistered with them.
So we emphasize that, you know, we do have away to be able to pay the artists that we play
and support.
Right.
So that's really important too.
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Now is for for artists, how are they gettinginvolved?
Are they paying to be part of some kind ofcommunity with you that kind of gets them into
the ecosystem?
Or are they just submitting tracks to you andyou have to kind of sort through all of that?
Or what's the method?
Yeah.
We usually run promo.
run And I actually linked up with a pretty bigproducer in St.
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Louis and she actually was one of the peoplethat of went over with me.
She's like, you know, this is what I what Ithink.
This is my suggestion being in she's been inthe music industry for over thirty five years.
And she's like, this is what I suggest.
And so I was like, yeah.
I forgot to do, you know, we'll we'll do that.
You know, we wanna be self sustainable,obviously.
You know, we have some cost to run a station,but we try to keep our overhead profitable and
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affordable for what we're doing.
But at the same time, we want it so everybodycan get in on it.
You know, if you wanna get your stuff played,we can put this promo together.
And I also do extra, some extra stuff forartists.
It's not just like, hey, we're just gonna dothis and play your music for three months and
that's it.
I'm gonna keep working with those artists anddeveloping friendship and a bond and a
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partnership to help them grow.
Because a lot of them come in and they're like,I just do music and it's a business.
Right.
And you have to know
Well, and it starts it keeps sounding more andmore like artist management.
Right?
Or artist, you know, instruction or consultingor you know what I mean?
Whatever title you kind of want to put onto it.
Maybe it's not full hands on management.
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But it's definitely hey, this is we know how todo it.
We didn't get this far because we don't knowwhat we're doing.
I don't have a degree that says I have a PhD inthis to teach you, but I have a straight PhD.
And this is how I do it.
And this is what it looks like to reallysucceed and be at the level just that we're at.
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Maybe you can get further than I can.
And I don't mind giving you the skills thatgets that.
Because now we're attached to you.
If you make it, now we all make it.
Right?
That's what it is.
And when you're connected to as many people asyou can be, right?
I'm sure all of us have Facebook friends in thethousands, You're talking about a 20,000 reach
between just Facebook friends, right?
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That's not even followers on top of thosethings.
So it's kind of realizing, even for myself, lotof are watching.
Even if they're not hitting the like button andI don't see the vanity metrics a lot, I don't
look at them anyway.
But when I look at the views and I've been at asteady you know on the personal facebook like a
160,000 views a month.
I was like, that's a shitload of people.
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Right?
Like damn.
Yes sir.
Because I'm not seeing 160,000 likes over thecourse of a, you know, because I'm not, I'm
just not watching it.
But to look back at it and go, okay considerwe're touching a million people this year,
right?
A million eyeballs, we're seeing our I'm goingto be a lot more careful about what I'm putting
out there, alright?
If you're all watching, then you're going see alot more of what I'm doing and the people that
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I'm supporting, and not so much the memes thatare coming through.
You know what I mean?
I've just been a lot more careful about that.
Solomon, what is the future of Zenith?
Where does it go from here?
It kind of seems like, mean, obviously, you'rethe man, right?
You walk in the room and people know that.
It's very obvious that you are the one who'skind of driving the growth of this.
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Where do you take this out to be the salesmanand what does that look like for you kind of on
a day to day?
of
all, great question.
Guess the overall vision, I want revisit a fewthings we spoke about.
We're far more than just artist management.
Next event we have local businesses comingtogether just so they can all get acquainted,
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meet each other,
share their stories and get to know.
It's almost like a chamber of commerce mixer,right?
But for hood people.
A chamber of commerce.
We are members of them too.
They will be there.
Yeah.
Will be there.
And it's also there's going be vendors there.
So it's not just a business mixer.
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Right.
Well, we can do so much more because we're somuch more creative than a stuffy business
people that are like, oh, we can do this andthis.
We're like, no.
We know.
We're entertainment We're
going to have
a DJ.
We're going to have a dance floor, we're gonnahave vendors, we're gonna have food.
It's gonna be family friendly.
And just pigeonholing into the artistmanagement because it's already so much more
than that.
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It's just you have so many branches, right?
So what if if the core is Zenith?
You know, what what is it to you?
At the very core, what is the main trunk ofthat tree?
We are an all encompassing one stop.
Literally not a shot, but a one stop visionthat can unite this whole world.
We can unite every single community, everycontinent, every township, and every city and
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every state.
So I want to revisit you asking me a question.
Didn't get a chance to
answer that.
Yes.
You asked me what is the overall vision andwhere do I see this take out for the future?
Honestly, just like we're doing now.
We have a vision.
Our vision will say we are gonna connect withas many people as possible.
It doesn't matter how long we have fifteenminutes, twenty minutes, an hour.
We're gonna say what we're gonna do and we'regonna show up and show out unequivocally.
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We have no excuses.
My tattoo in my arm says once a task is oncebegun never leave it until it's done.
Be it labor great or small do it well not atall.
So we signed up for this.
This is a task.
We didn't sign up for nothing easy.
We are uniters and we will so to answer yourquestion, where do I see Zenith City Radio?
I see this all across the world having havinghaving lunch and dinner and everybody is
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welcome at our table.
Right.
On every single platform, regardless of who youare or where you come from, you come talk to
us.
We will have the church effect.
What I call the church effect, you walk intochurch, and you all of a sudden, you feel this
message from whoever the rabbi is, the pastor,the preacher, whoever that person is, and it's
kinda like, oh, my good lord.
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I wasn't even gonna come to church today, butyou walk out with that feeling.
The word is incandescent, bright, shiny,bubbly.
It's kinda like, oh my gosh.
The church effect.
So you leave and you gotta come back.
Just like now, same exact thing.
That's where I'm not foresee Zenith City Radiobut where I know we're gonna be.
Because the Lord doesn't put us where we wantto be.
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He puts us where need to
be.
Yep,
Yep, see I knew you were the man.
That's good TV.
And these were the conversations I was havinglong before I ever had a camera and a podcast.
Right?
And that's, it's only been amplified by havingZoom.
I live in the middle of nowhere.
I live in a 1,000 person farm town, you knowninety minutes from Sioux City and Sioux Falls.
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Right?
I am out in the sticks.
And without the internet none of this happens.
But I've been able to not get caught up in alot of BS and to learn how to use some of these
tools to network into the places I want to.
I use Facebook groups a lot.
Right?
Because a lot of them are regional based, lotof them are around a certain theme.
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Right?
So I've been able to network through there andthat's what's introduced me to a lot of these
people and then having a podcast now, which isjust a vessel for me to say, Hey, I'd love to
talk to you.
Amen.
You know, I'd love to have a conversation withyou.
I have an award winning podcast now.
Right?
And being able to say,
thank you.
And I wanna see what you have.
Yeah.
Well I wanna see it.
I I
feel it right here.
Yeah.
Well, because this is what I like to do.
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Right?
That's why I wanna hear your story, and I wantto be inspired by that.
Cool.
Now I got new friends.
Right?
Now I got a family.
I got a new table to sit at.
And we kind of come in as having the samevision as you do and saying cool, we're going
go out and gather all the people that like whatwe do and all these artists that we work with,
and we're going to bring them the same thing.
Right?
And then it just becomes, that's like thefestival.
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Right?
Because when all the communities come togetherat a 100,000 seat venue, and that's how you
build it.
You don't build it by necessarily having to doit all by yourself.
You just get out with the people that aremoving and shaking and are willing to drive
three and a half hours through Minnesota, youknow, vacation traffic.
You don't think about Sunday vacation traffic.
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Everybody's going home.
You're like, what is going on?
I
wanna say really thank you for reaching out andthank you for everything you do.
You bring an immense amount amount of value topeople and doing this.
Thank you.
You know, I always talk about adaptability.
My mentors, they say it's not the strongest orthe smartest, but the surviving.
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It's the ones that adapt the most.
You're adapting.
You're a musician.
You're also seeing, hey, what?
In a year and a half, we weren't even doinganything.
Nope.
You have a podcast.
But you adapted.
Yeah.
You're connecting people.
And you're not just connecting people, you'reconnecting people with your music, with your
brand, and everybody.
It comes full circle.
So I want to commend you for what you're doingso thank you so much for having us.
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Thank you, thank you.
Yeah, well and I've heard it in the businessworld now as I'm starting to step more in.
You're either a brand house or you're a houseof brand.
Correct.
And it was shown to me, they're like, you're ahouse of brands.
You have all of it.
You know, the Scene Projects is just onenetwork.
I have the Scene Projects Sports Network,Patriot Broadcasting Network, right?
I was like, Oh, if every podcast is its ownnetwork, then you need to have as many of these
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things going on as you can, and everythingwants to be niche.
Cool.
I'm amazed.
Here's all the things.
Laid the foundation for all, and now it's kindof like, Okay, let's figure out how to grow
this one.
Let's water this seed and see where it goes.
It's already gotten me a ton of free stuff andaccess to places I never would have.
I work at the Denny Sanford Premier Center inSioux Falls, which is a 12,000 seat arena that
otherwise I would have no access to.
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I would be a band that's like,
man I'd like to play that one
a day.
You know?
I would still be that guy on the outsidelooking in.
And now I get emails from their marketingdirector.
Right?
Like it's just a different level that it wentto really really fast.
So I had to like become businessman.
It's not that I wasn't with my band, but it's alot different now as the conversations that
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you're having.
The numbers that you're talking about all of asudden have gotten a lot bigger.
Where I was like, I wasn't really expectingthis, right?
But we know that we are the future ofbroadcasting.
We know we're doing the right things and we'regoing to keep rolling.
I had a TV news station that was afraid to meetwith me because they're like, Well, we're not
really sure we want to work with thecompetition.
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And I was like, I mean, flattering.
Right?
That's flattering.
You're a broadcast TV network albeit a smallone.
But when he kind of mentioned offhandedly whatthey were doing for viewership I was like, Oh
that's not anything.
Yeah.
I was like, Oh.
Like 15,000 viewers?
That's not a lot.
Okay.
And I'm not at that but I'm not as far away asI thought I was.
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I thought your numbers were maybe not 10 timesthat but five or six times, right?
It's like, okay, we're touching a lot morelives and these people want to work with us for
a reason.
So, getting concert tickets given to you now todo giveaways and to talk about their brands and
different things.
Yeah, it's not the cash rich yet, but in valueto my life, right?
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Cubs tickets when I was in Chicago and on agolf course because I'm like, Hey, I have an
award winning podcast.
Right.
Well, and that's why we've moved into doing asong contest to have an award of our own.
But then growing Well, you guys are good.
There should be zine at the ward.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Which I'm sure of coming.
I don't have
to like put anything out there.
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But they have value.
Right?
And it's not because you're going out there and
you're saying, We're the best.
You're No.
We have a big enough platform now that we canbring and build them on.
Correct.
And that's what I've realized with my show andit's like, Oh this is what it's about.
And then being able to put on people that areout there doing it.
Yes.
To let you inspire and say, Hey, I might not bein Duluth all the time, right?
I might not be spending all my time inMinnesota, but these people are.
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Right?
Know these people are you're going be connectedto that and you're connected with them, you're
connected with us.
We're all related We're all in this togetherand that's the takeaway that I want everyone on
the show today listening to take away from thisis to, we are in this together.
If you're a creative, you shouldn't be lookingat other creatives as competition.
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I know.
This is a collaboration.
We all need each other.
If we all rely on each other for our content,we're going to go twice as fast.
You don't need to look outside of your ownnetwork, however small or large it may be, to
start finding conversations to have.
Right?
You all hear me say it continuously.
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If you don't have a podcast, you should bestarting one.
Get Zoom or get on FaceTime and record it withanother phone.
I don't care what you're doing.
It doesn't matter.
Start having conversations because thoseconversations are what changing the world.
It's what's changing all of us internally.
Right?
I say it's kind of how God is speaking throughus is by letting us have these conversations.
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And working through that.
So parting shots before I let you guys get outof here.
Solomon, any words of wisdom for our creativesout there and then of course how they can find
you and get involved with Zenith?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
We are on, again, all platforms.
Reach out to us.
You know what I mean?
Together we can literally there's not amountain too high that we can't climb.
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So connectability, partnerships, and and again,you know, if if there's no pain in growth, then
you're doing something wrong.
And we are in this 100 together.
Zenithcityradio.com, Facebook, SolomonBrothers, Chanel Martinez, you know.
So reach out to us and trust me we're very veryeasy to find and really quick hey God bless you
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seriously well worth the three hour drive tocome down here.
I would drove 15 to come talk to you.
I appreciate that.
And your passion
and your enthusiasm and your heart and how youspeak.
May the good Lord continue to bless you everysingle day.
He will.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Sullivan, thank you so much for being part ofthe scene.
You guys are your own scene Victor and thelovely Chantel.
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Thank you guys so much for being on the show.
And y'all just keep tuning in.
Make sure you're checking out Xenith CityRadio.
Make sure you're tapping into the sceneprojects.
I have a really good feeling that we're gonnasee a lot more co partnerships coming out of
this considering this is the twenty minutesthat we've spent ever meeting each other.
All just keep tapping in.
It's just going to keep getting better.
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So, I love you guys.
Make sure you like, subscribe, do all that goodstuff.
And share this show out there with the wholeworld.
Thanks guys.
You.
Thank you.
Hey down here.
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It's beautiful.
Welcome into a very exciting episode of TheScene.
I'm your host Bubba Starts.
I am joined by three, lovely individuals whohave driven a long ways to connect with us out
here the road.
Of course we are at the beautiful Dunmyers OnThe Lakes here in Brainerd, Minnesota.
Fantastic venue, for the last two days of lessthan that, even thirty six hours of making
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music out here and enjoying being right on thelake and being in this culture.
Hence the choice of footwear.
But I want to give you all, because we've justmet and I haven't done my research on any of
you yet, that's kind of how I like to rollhere.
I love meeting new people and, this is the bestway to do it.
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So go ahead and introduce yourself going downthe line and give us the give us the little
short a short five one one on who you are so wecan move forward from there.
and foremost, thank you ever so kindly forhaving us and taking out some time of your day.
Solomon Witherspoon from Duluth, Minnesota.
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I am the president of Zenith City Radiocurrently.
Quick background, 02/2001, I tried for theChicago bears.
02/2002, I tried for the falcons.
02/2003, I tried it for the Cowboys.
I was with Prince's crew for about ten years.
You know, my two albums, have the new powergeneration instrumentation in my two albums.
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Me and Victor go back probably over a decadeand we've been making music and making hits and
making songs and just bringing everybodytogether collectively.
Period.
Know?
Everyone needs a helping hand and that's whatwe do.
We unite and we engage and we're solutions.
You know what I'm saying?
So thanks for having us brother.
Yeah.
This is beautiful and awesome.
Vic, he mentioned you already so go ahead andwe'll just let you kind of do the same thing
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here and we'll keep building on the biggerstory with our individual stories.
Yeah, I'm from Las Vegas.
I moved to the area when I was roughly 11, 12ish, moved up here.
My family had some family up here.
And I've been doing music literally for, gosh,twenty five plus years.
I've had several commercial recording studios,produced well over 20 artists, and probably
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over 300 different types of songs, all types ofgenres, mostly hip hop, though.
And we're doing Xena City Radio right now.
We've had this for about three years.
It's really taken off.
We have the biggest big show with SolomonWeatherspoon that's on iHeart, all platforms.
Just it's it's been wonderful.
Just just interviewing people from all types ofbackgrounds, and it's been amazing.
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And the radio station's up, way up with thelisteners just from the two years, like
doubling, tripling.
And we're all over on every platform.
We have a huge listener base in Europe country,and it's just grown from there.
We just continue to to connect with people suchas yourself and to bring a whole community of
content creators, entrepreneurs, musicianstogether.
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We're doing a business gala June 29 in inDuluth.
It's gonna be wonderful.
We're going have a lot of city people there.
We're inviting everybody.
It's a free event.
We're going have an after party, red carpet,keynotes keynote speakers.
We just added that.
So it's going to be amazing at the Clyde.
So, yep.
And it's taking that digital platform and allof that attention that you've garnered and then
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being able to use that in the real world now tobring people together to do And we saved the
best for last.
Why don't you go ahead and tell us, you know,obviously you're the boss of this opportunity.
We all know that sitting here, but why don'tyou tell us a little bit about yourself.
My name is Chantelle Turner, but I excuse me,Taylor.
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Chantel Taylor.
But I also go by missus Martinez.
And I'm the creative director at the New CityRadio.
And maybe there are some public strains.
I have my figures in just about everything wedo.
That's fantastic.
And obviously Zena City Radio is the platform.
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So why don't we start with that.
What is the difference between what you'redoing and maybe what's available out there on
the market already?
What makes you different with Xenus City Radio?
Being the CEO of Zenith City Radio, I reallywanted to connect with people on a bigger
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scale.
I wanted to have a platform that we can promoteothers' music.
And I think the interactions that I've had,I've talked to artists throughout the country
that have reached out and to have that, again,that connection.
Like, there's a lot of platforms where yousubmit your music and it gets spin here and
there.
But the and the extra work that we put in toreally help promote artists and business, I
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think makes us stand apart from others.
But you also have the events aspect where we'redoing concerts, we're raising money for
charities, we're out here putting on thesegalas.
We wanna take it on the road.
We're actually Saint Louis is one of the placeswe wanna hit up.
I have a lot of connections down there.
And it's been requested in Las Vegas, Atlanta,and then probably in Minneapolis.
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But it's just a beautiful thing to see so manypeople from different backgrounds come together
and really put on a platform that is unique andcan showcase so much.
And and a lot of the people that come to mehave said, you know, we've never done anything
like this.
We've never been to a gallery.
We've never been to you know, I've never beenon the radio.
We've never had a podcast.
You know, you're giving us this opportunitythat no one else is literally doing.
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So
yeah.
Because we try to do everything affordably.
Yeah.
And we try to keep it on on on budgets.
You know, we we wanna have it so everybody canget in on what we're doing.
At the end of the day, it's about promotion.
It's about investing in our community.
And I think it's been wonderful.
The outpouring of support restarted has beenamazing.
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We I took a break because my mother had gottensick in 2023 when we had launched everything,
and she had passed last year.
And we just did an interview with the DuluthTribune, and I said, you know, you know, I tell
everybody, like, my mother would've wanted meto continue this.
She would've want me to keep doing what I lovedoing and keep making her proud.
I feel that that's why this is this is alsodifferent.
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This feels different because I have my mother'sspirit and her and her vibe and her everything
behind what I'm doing.
So it just it feels it feels like I'm onanother level because I feel like my mother's
like, just keep doing your passion.
Keep living your dream and keep moving forwardtowards your destiny.
That's what she always said?
Yep.
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She always said that.
How lovely.
How lovely that you're operating with thatmentality.
Right?
Because a lot of people I realize now thatdon't carry that.
We don't carry the spirit of our ancestors.
And you see a lot of I think that's why youhave such a broken family structures around our
whole planet right now.
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Right?
Especially in this country.
But the family is so far from the center ofmost people's universes.
It starts at home.
It starts in a church for a lot of people.
That you become bigger than yourself.
And that's kind of what you're building.
It's no different than what we're building withthe SCENE projects.
It is communities.
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And then we're all getting together andbringing our communities to each other through
these galas and these galas, in theseconferences.
And we talk about content creator conferencesor just get together, right?
And everybody who are stars of their own showare all willing to turn that camera around and
go, No, but look at the people I'm with.
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Look at the stars that I hang out with.
And we've really caught fire with that.
My partner El Pablo one time with me on thistour behind the camera a lot but just as much
the star of the show as well.
And realizing that it's all one big movie.
We keep saying this is a movie and it's likeyeah it's the movie that never ends.
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It just goes for over.
We are our own reality shows and people arereally into this, And now it becomes a lot more
interesting because you're bringing these otherworlds together.
And when everybody kind of has a centrallocation and then a format for how you
communicate and how you scratch each other'sbacks.
Right?
You know what I mean?
Making sure you're getting on and you'rehitting that follow button.
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Not just hitting the follow button, butFacebook will let you invite a thousand friends
to your friends pages.
If you're not being that friend that goesthrough there, and it's one of the things I do
when I meet anyone, is like, man, if I likeyour stuff, cool.
If I'm gonna hit that and hit that.
Because now it's a habit.
Right?
I've just been doing it for so long that it'sjust a habit.
And yeah, a thousand people don't go and likeyour page right away.
But now it's in their notification box and thenpops up later.
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And you get these residual attention that ispowerful and it takes five seconds.
Right?
That's right.
I think if we all start to tap into eachother's world a little bit more, which is
exactly why we're all driving across the damncountry to do it.
Because we have a shared vision, right?
We've all been kind of given this missiontogether to go, hey this is how you're going to
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cripple that behemoth of attention, right?
The ABCs, the NBCs, like network television andthen cable.
And it's just been dwindling, right?
The attention pie in the 60s was divided threeways, right?
You had the three stations and that was it.
And now it is so fragmented into a millionpieces that what we're finding now is only by
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teaming up with other creators.
Correct.
And building your own networks of people hostsand shows.
You have to have so much content.
You have to be your own cable network, 20fourseven content is what the people crave.
It's like when we were talking off camera,release a long form video every single day plus
our shorts and everything to keep up with that.
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And we need that times 24.
Correct.
You know what I mean?
To even stretch the surface of what cable does.
It's awesome to reach other people that realizewe're not going to get there without helping
one another.
And it's going to take a lot of work.
But the rewards of it when you're helping otherpeople, you're helping creators to go and make
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a $40,000 $50,000 a year living just playingmusic or creating whatever they're doing.
Hosting podcasts.
How rewarding that's going to be in two orthree more years right when we're reviewing
tape and going hey!
When it was a baby right?
And that's why we won't tape.
And I kind of said regardless of what thequality is we don't worry about being the most
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professional thing right now.
We're just trying to archive what the hellwe're doing.
There you go.
That's what it's really about.
Chantel, talk about the actual nuts and boltsof getting the creative actually out into the
world.
Now are you guys an internet radio station?
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We are.
As well?
So you have music that's going 20 fourseven?
Yep.
Right?
Alright.
That's huge.
So do you do the programming then?
I help with some.
He does a lot of it.
This guy I met him over a decade ago.
He was known as DJ Vegas Vice.
So he's the music man.
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He he finds the most fire remixes and DJs
I've ever came to that.
For real.
His his ear for music is so insane.
I love it so much.
Mhmm.
And there's there's there's a lot more to it.
So the creative side is driven by our internalsoul's desire for the interconnected,
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interdependent way of living with other people.
And for Victor and I, we shine when we helpothers shine.
My background is in human services.
I have a degree in human services, so I I feellike I always have to be doing something to
help the world.
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I'm an advocate of all sorts of differentkinds.
And using this platform to help others shine iswhy we do it.
It's it's we're not trying to make a make abunch of money.
We just wanna survive.
Right.
Maybe enough to thrive.
Right.
You
know?
And we use everything around us to helpinspire.
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And take you for example.
This guy is gonna do all sorts of stuff to puttogether a package of promotional material for
you that he's gonna put out there for you.
And maybe I'll have my hands in that.
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No one ever gets to know.
No one ever gets to know.
We drive we pull our inspiration from thepeople that we work with.
Right.
And trying to get to know them and theirmission and their story to help really show
that and help it shine.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
And you know another thing really quick aboutthe whole thing with the radio station.
So we're commercial radio station.
And I try to teach artists about protectingthemselves, Registering with the royalty
collections, making sure you're readingeverything if you ever sign anything.
That's a big part of what we do.
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And our station does pay royalties out throughour host.
So we're licensed in every country.
In every royalty collection agency, we areregistered with them.
So we emphasize that, you know, we do have away to be able to pay the artists that we play
and support.
Right.
So that's really important too.
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Now is for for artists, how are they gettinginvolved?
Are they paying to be part of some kind ofcommunity with you that kind of gets them into
the ecosystem?
Or are they just submitting tracks to you andyou have to kind of sort through all of that?
Or what's the method?
Yeah.
We usually run promo.
run And I actually linked up with a pretty bigproducer in St.
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Louis and she actually was one of the peoplethat of went over with me.
She's like, you know, this is what I what Ithink.
This is my suggestion being in she's been inthe music industry for over thirty five years.
And she's like, this is what I suggest.
And so I was like, yeah.
I forgot to do, you know, we'll we'll do that.
You know, we wanna be self sustainable,obviously.
You know, we have some cost to run a station,but we try to keep our overhead profitable and
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affordable for what we're doing.
But at the same time, we want it so everybodycan get in on it.
You know, if you wanna get your stuff played,we can put this promo together.
And I also do extra, some extra stuff forartists.
It's not just like, hey, we're just gonna dothis and play your music for three months and
that's it.
I'm gonna keep working with those artists anddeveloping friendship and a bond and a
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partnership to help them grow.
Because a lot of them come in and they're like,I just do music and it's a business.
Right.
And you have to know
Well, and it starts it keeps sounding more andmore like artist management.
Right?
Or artist, you know, instruction or consultingor you know what I mean?
Whatever title you kind of want to put onto it.
Maybe it's not full hands on management.
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But it's definitely hey, this is we know how todo it.
We didn't get this far because we don't knowwhat we're doing.
I don't have a degree that says I have a PhD inthis to teach you, but I have a straight PhD.
And this is how I do it.
And this is what it looks like to reallysucceed and be at the level just that we're at.
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Maybe you can get further than I can.
And I don't mind giving you the skills thatgets that.
Because now we're attached to you.
If you make it, now we all make it.
Right?
That's what it is.
And when you're connected to as many people asyou can be, right?
I'm sure all of us have Facebook friends in thethousands, You're talking about a 20,000 reach
between just Facebook friends, right?
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That's not even followers on top of thosethings.
So it's kind of realizing, even for myself, lotof are watching.
Even if they're not hitting the like button andI don't see the vanity metrics a lot, I don't
look at them anyway.
But when I look at the views and I've been at asteady you know on the personal facebook like a
160,000 views a month.
I was like, that's a shitload of people.
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Right?
Like damn.
Yes sir.
Because I'm not seeing 160,000 likes over thecourse of a, you know, because I'm not, I'm
just not watching it.
But to look back at it and go, okay considerwe're touching a million people this year,
right?
A million eyeballs, we're seeing our I'm goingto be a lot more careful about what I'm putting
out there, alright?
If you're all watching, then you're going see alot more of what I'm doing and the people that
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I'm supporting, and not so much the memes thatare coming through.
You know what I mean?
I've just been a lot more careful about that.
Solomon, what is the future of Zenith?
Where does it go from here?
It kind of seems like, mean, obviously, you'rethe man, right?
You walk in the room and people know that.
It's very obvious that you are the one who'skind of driving the growth of this.
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Where do you take this out to be the salesmanand what does that look like for you kind of on
a day to day?
of
all, great question.
Guess the overall vision, I want revisit a fewthings we spoke about.
We're far more than just artist management.
Next event we have local businesses comingtogether just so they can all get acquainted,
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meet each other,
share their stories and get to know.
It's almost like a chamber of commerce mixer,right?
But for hood people.
A chamber of commerce.
We are members of them too.
They will be there.
Yeah.
Will be there.
And it's also there's going be vendors there.
So it's not just a business mixer.
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Right.
Well, we can do so much more because we're somuch more creative than a stuffy business
people that are like, oh, we can do this andthis.
We're like, no.
We know.
We're entertainment We're
going to have
a DJ.
We're going to have a dance floor, we're gonnahave vendors, we're gonna have food.
It's gonna be family friendly.
And just pigeonholing into the artistmanagement because it's already so much more
than that.
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It's just you have so many branches, right?
So what if if the core is Zenith?
You know, what what is it to you?
At the very core, what is the main trunk ofthat tree?
We are an all encompassing one stop.
Literally not a shot, but a one stop visionthat can unite this whole world.
We can unite every single community, everycontinent, every township, and every city and
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every state.
So I want to revisit you asking me a question.
Didn't get a chance to
answer that.
Yes.
You asked me what is the overall vision andwhere do I see this take out for the future?
Honestly, just like we're doing now.
We have a vision.
Our vision will say we are gonna connect withas many people as possible.
It doesn't matter how long we have fifteenminutes, twenty minutes, an hour.
We're gonna say what we're gonna do and we'regonna show up and show out unequivocally.
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We have no excuses.
My tattoo in my arm says once a task is oncebegun never leave it until it's done.
Be it labor great or small do it well not atall.
So we signed up for this.
This is a task.
We didn't sign up for nothing easy.
We are uniters and we will so to answer yourquestion, where do I see Zenith City Radio?
I see this all across the world having havinghaving lunch and dinner and everybody is
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welcome at our table.
Right.
On every single platform, regardless of who youare or where you come from, you come talk to
us.
We will have the church effect.
What I call the church effect, you walk intochurch, and you all of a sudden, you feel this
message from whoever the rabbi is, the pastor,the preacher, whoever that person is, and it's
kinda like, oh, my good lord.
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I wasn't even gonna come to church today, butyou walk out with that feeling.
The word is incandescent, bright, shiny,bubbly.
It's kinda like, oh my gosh.
The church effect.
So you leave and you gotta come back.
Just like now, same exact thing.
That's where I'm not foresee Zenith City Radiobut where I know we're gonna be.
Because the Lord doesn't put us where we wantto be.
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He puts us where need to
be.
Yep,
Yep, see I knew you were the man.
That's good TV.
And these were the conversations I was havinglong before I ever had a camera and a podcast.
Right?
And that's, it's only been amplified by havingZoom.
I live in the middle of nowhere.
I live in a 1,000 person farm town, you knowninety minutes from Sioux City and Sioux Falls.
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Right?
I am out in the sticks.
And without the internet none of this happens.
But I've been able to not get caught up in alot of BS and to learn how to use some of these
tools to network into the places I want to.
I use Facebook groups a lot.
Right?
Because a lot of them are regional based, lotof them are around a certain theme.
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Right?
So I've been able to network through there andthat's what's introduced me to a lot of these
people and then having a podcast now, which isjust a vessel for me to say, Hey, I'd love to
talk to you.
Amen.
You know, I'd love to have a conversation withyou.
I have an award winning podcast now.
Right?
And being able to say,
thank you.
And I wanna see what you have.
Yeah.
Well I wanna see it.
I I
feel it right here.
Yeah.
Well, because this is what I like to do.
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Right?
That's why I wanna hear your story, and I wantto be inspired by that.
Cool.
Now I got new friends.
Right?
Now I got a family.
I got a new table to sit at.
And we kind of come in as having the samevision as you do and saying cool, we're going
go out and gather all the people that like whatwe do and all these artists that we work with,
and we're going to bring them the same thing.
Right?
And then it just becomes, that's like thefestival.
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Right?
Because when all the communities come togetherat a 100,000 seat venue, and that's how you
build it.
You don't build it by necessarily having to doit all by yourself.
You just get out with the people that aremoving and shaking and are willing to drive
three and a half hours through Minnesota, youknow, vacation traffic.
You don't think about Sunday vacation traffic.
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Everybody's going home.
You're like, what is going on?
I
wanna say really thank you for reaching out andthank you for everything you do.
You bring an immense amount amount of value topeople and doing this.
Thank you.
You know, I always talk about adaptability.
My mentors, they say it's not the strongest orthe smartest, but the surviving.
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It's the ones that adapt the most.
You're adapting.
You're a musician.
You're also seeing, hey, what?
In a year and a half, we weren't even doinganything.
Nope.
You have a podcast.
But you adapted.
Yeah.
You're connecting people.
And you're not just connecting people, you'reconnecting people with your music, with your
brand, and everybody.
It comes full circle.
So I want to commend you for what you're doingso thank you so much for having us.
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Thank you, thank you.
Yeah, well and I've heard it in the businessworld now as I'm starting to step more in.
You're either a brand house or you're a houseof brand.
Correct.
And it was shown to me, they're like, you're ahouse of brands.
You have all of it.
You know, the Scene Projects is just onenetwork.
I have the Scene Projects Sports Network,Patriot Broadcasting Network, right?
I was like, Oh, if every podcast is its ownnetwork, then you need to have as many of these
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things going on as you can, and everythingwants to be niche.
Cool.
I'm amazed.
Here's all the things.
Laid the foundation for all, and now it's kindof like, Okay, let's figure out how to grow
this one.
Let's water this seed and see where it goes.
It's already gotten me a ton of free stuff andaccess to places I never would have.
I work at the Denny Sanford Premier Center inSioux Falls, which is a 12,000 seat arena that
otherwise I would have no access to.
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I would be a band that's like,
man I'd like to play that one
a day.
You know?
I would still be that guy on the outsidelooking in.
And now I get emails from their marketingdirector.
Right?
Like it's just a different level that it wentto really really fast.
So I had to like become businessman.
It's not that I wasn't with my band, but it's alot different now as the conversations that
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you're having.
The numbers that you're talking about all of asudden have gotten a lot bigger.
Where I was like, I wasn't really expectingthis, right?
But we know that we are the future ofbroadcasting.
We know we're doing the right things and we'regoing to keep rolling.
I had a TV news station that was afraid to meetwith me because they're like, Well, we're not
really sure we want to work with thecompetition.
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And I was like, I mean, flattering.
Right?
That's flattering.
You're a broadcast TV network albeit a smallone.
But when he kind of mentioned offhandedly whatthey were doing for viewership I was like, Oh
that's not anything.
Yeah.
I was like, Oh.
Like 15,000 viewers?
That's not a lot.
Okay.
And I'm not at that but I'm not as far away asI thought I was.
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I thought your numbers were maybe not 10 timesthat but five or six times, right?
It's like, okay, we're touching a lot morelives and these people want to work with us for
a reason.
So, getting concert tickets given to you now todo giveaways and to talk about their brands and
different things.
Yeah, it's not the cash rich yet, but in valueto my life, right?
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Cubs tickets when I was in Chicago and on agolf course because I'm like, Hey, I have an
award winning podcast.
Right.
Well, and that's why we've moved into doing asong contest to have an award of our own.
But then growing Well, you guys are good.
There should be zine at the ward.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Which I'm sure of coming.
I don't have
to like put anything out there.
(25:31):
But they have value.
Right?
And it's not because you're going out there and
you're saying, We're the best.
You're No.
We have a big enough platform now that we canbring and build them on.
Correct.
And that's what I've realized with my show andit's like, Oh this is what it's about.
And then being able to put on people that areout there doing it.
Yes.
To let you inspire and say, Hey, I might not bein Duluth all the time, right?
I might not be spending all my time inMinnesota, but these people are.
(25:54):
Right?
Know these people are you're going be connectedto that and you're connected with them, you're
connected with us.
We're all related We're all in this togetherand that's the takeaway that I want everyone on
the show today listening to take away from thisis to, we are in this together.
If you're a creative, you shouldn't be lookingat other creatives as competition.
(26:17):
I know.
This is a collaboration.
We all need each other.
If we all rely on each other for our content,we're going to go twice as fast.
You don't need to look outside of your ownnetwork, however small or large it may be, to
start finding conversations to have.
Right?
You all hear me say it continuously.
(26:38):
If you don't have a podcast, you should bestarting one.
Get Zoom or get on FaceTime and record it withanother phone.
I don't care what you're doing.
It doesn't matter.
Start having conversations because thoseconversations are what changing the world.
It's what's changing all of us internally.
Right?
I say it's kind of how God is speaking throughus is by letting us have these conversations.
(27:00):
And working through that.
So parting shots before I let you guys get outof here.
Solomon, any words of wisdom for our creativesout there and then of course how they can find
you and get involved with Zenith?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
We are on, again, all platforms.
Reach out to us.
You know what I mean?
Together we can literally there's not amountain too high that we can't climb.
(27:21):
So connectability, partnerships, and and again,you know, if if there's no pain in growth, then
you're doing something wrong.
And we are in this 100 together.
Zenithcityradio.com, Facebook, SolomonBrothers, Chanel Martinez, you know.
So reach out to us and trust me we're very veryeasy to find and really quick hey God bless you
(27:43):
seriously well worth the three hour drive tocome down here.
I would drove 15 to come talk to you.
I appreciate that.
And your passion
and your enthusiasm and your heart and how youspeak.
May the good Lord continue to bless you everysingle day.
He will.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Sullivan, thank you so much for being part ofthe scene.
You guys are your own scene Victor and thelovely Chantel.
(28:06):
Thank you guys so much for being on the show.
And y'all just keep tuning in.
Make sure you're checking out Xenith CityRadio.
Make sure you're tapping into the sceneprojects.
I have a really good feeling that we're gonnasee a lot more co partnerships coming out of
this considering this is the twenty minutesthat we've spent ever meeting each other.
All just keep tapping in.
It's just going to keep getting better.
(28:27):
So, I love you guys.
Make sure you like, subscribe, do all that goodstuff.
And share this show out there with the wholeworld.
Thanks guys.
You.
Thank you.
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