July 30, 2025 • 16 mins
As Dr. Schreck begins to explore the fuller revelation of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, he starts with a fundamental question: Can we, or do we, believe that how the Holy Spirit is revealed in the New Testament is what God desires to do in the Church today?
Dr. Schreck responds to the view that the Holy Spirit’s action recorded in the New Testament was a unique grace for the first Christians but not for the Church today. And does the Church rely on the Holy Spirit to carry out her mission, especially to “make disciples of all nations” (Mt. 28:19)?
Listen to more The Spirit and The Bride episodes and discover other Catholic podcasts, videos, and resources at Faith and Reason.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:10):
Hello, this is Doctor Alan
Schreck from the podcast studioat Franciscan University of Steubenville.
Continuing our series on the Holy Spirit
in my podcastseries, The Spirit and the bride.
And so in our podcast, we've been lookingat the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament.
To this point, I've examined passagesin the Old Testament
(00:30):
that refer to the Spirit of God,either with the actual Hebrew words
that can be translated spirit ruach,and then shama
which literally could meanwind or breath or spirit
or we've looked at, imagesor images of or images
related to God's Spirit, such as purifyingfire or life giving or cleansing water
(00:54):
or oil and anointing with oil,or a mother bird or a dove.
All these images that have been relatedto the Spirit of God
in the wisdom books of the Old Testament,I know that the wisdom who is presented
there as a person is also called a spirit
possessing many divine attributes.
However, even in these writings,neither wisdom
(01:17):
nor spirit is clearly identifiedas separate from God
or as something or someone distinctwithin God.
As we've seen,the Jewish people are monotheists.
They believed in one supremeGod who is Lord and creator of all.
So the Old Testament necessarily
(01:37):
uses some human analogies to describe God,such as God being like a father
to Israel or having a motherly carefor God's chosen people.
But it is clearthat there is only one God.
As the faithful Jew prayed twice daily.
And this Chabahar, which begins heroIsrael, the Lord is our God.
(01:59):
The Lord is one.
Now let's move on.
As we will see in the following podcastsin this series,
there is much more to be revealedand understood about God's Spirit.
In the New Testament, in the Greek,the word pneuma
is the translationfor wind or breath or spirit.
And we see this teachingwith Jesus himself,
(02:22):
and also in the inspiredor God breathed writers
of what came to becalled the New Testament.
But before we begin to go
on, proceed with a step by step unfolding
of this revelation of the Holy Spiritin these New Testament writings,
I want in this podcast to addresssomething that is a question,
(02:43):
or perhaps an attitudethat I believe some Christians,
and certainly many Catholics,have concerning the Holy Spirit.
And this attitude or these questionsgoes something like this
Is theHoly Spirit really all that important?
Isn't Christianity mainly about Jesus
(03:04):
and how Jesus reveals God is our father
and how we are to live to attaineternal life?
Isn't the role of the Holy Spiritto be more of a
a quiet, behind the scenes presence?
Otherwise, it seems to some people easyto fall into some sort of a Holy Spirit
cult that involves doing strange thingslike raising your arms to pray, or
(03:28):
speaking in crazy unknown languages,or praying with people
apart from the sacramentsand expecting messages
or words from God,or expecting people to be healed.
Not always, but sometimes when after
they've received prayerfor healing from the church and these
things are all related to in the mindsof some people, to the Holy Spirit.
(03:52):
Now, some people might want to say,no, that's not how the Holy Spirit works.
But all of these things that I've justmentioned
are in the New Testament accountsof the action of the Holy Spirit.
Now, some might fear
that the Holy Spirit threatensto move us out of our comfort zone.
As Christians, other Christians.
(04:14):
And I think this is particularly trueof many Catholics.
We have heard of the Holy Spirit,and we believe what
the whole the Nicene Creed says aboutthe spirit is true.
You know that he's, with the Fatherand Son.
He's worshipedand glorified as Lord and giver of life.
But in reality,the Holy Spirit makes little difference
(04:35):
in the way these Christians live.
And that's something we want to address.
We need to address these attitudes,I believe are widespread.
And I think if Saint Paulthe Apostle happened upon some Christians
today, he would, you know, who have thesethese views of the Holy Spirit.
(04:56):
I think he would notice something missing.
And he would ask the same questionthat he asked
a group of disciples of John the Baptist.
This is an acts 19, chapter 19, verse one.
And following he came upon thatthese 12 men, and he asks them,
did you receive the Holy Spiritwhen you became believers?
(05:16):
Now Saint Paulevidently noticed something missing.
They were disciples, and he, Saint Paul,
knew exactly what they needed.
They needed, as he explains to them,to be baptized into Jesus Christ.
And they needed prayerto receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
And that's what he proceeded to dofor those 12 men in Ephesus.
(05:40):
And it certainly changed their livesand how they experienced
and understood the Holy Spirit.
And that the final
text there in acts19 verse six, reports, quote.
And when Paul had laid his handsupon them, the Holy Spirit came upon them,
and they spoke in tonguesand prophesied, unquote.
(06:03):
Now this might be why many people todaywho claim to be Christians
don't want to hear
what the New Testament reveals to usabout the Holy Spirit, or what he does.
They eitherdon't believe in these accounts.
I mean, there were only two options.
Eitherthey don't believe, in these accounts
that these things really happen,or more commonly,
(06:23):
they have what has been termeda dispensation list view.
And this means that they thinkthat many things recorded
in the New Testament, such as healings,miracles, speaking in tongues, prophecies,
and similar character charisms gifts
attributed to the Holy Spiritwere just for Jesus in the early church
(06:44):
for perhapsto just get the church off the ground.
But they but they believe this.
They do not apply to the church today,with some exceptions.
For example, the lives of the saints.
Or maybe they believe in Eucharisticmiracles, but it's it's limited.
They limit the the what we hear inthe New Testament is in this dispensation,
(07:07):
this view is sort of limitedto this period
of the early church of the New Testamenttimes.
Now, I think this is problematic.
You know, if you don't believe,first of all, that what the New Testament
teaches about the Holy Spiritin his action is true.
If you just write it all offor if you think it is not relevant
(07:28):
for today, well, actually, thenthese podcasts are probably not for you.
However, if you are a Catholic,
you should know that everythingthe New Testament teaches
about the Holy Spiritthat I will be presenting
is totally consistentwith Catholic doctrine.
Many of these things,that we'll be discussing
(07:50):
are found in the Catechismof the Catholic Church.
And even those that aren'texplicitly mentioned
there are covered by what the Catechismof the Church Catholic doctrine
teaches about the, the, the,the Scripture itself,
the Old and New Testament,especially in the New Testament,
that the church believes that, as
(08:11):
we see in Vaticantwo documents that the, the gospel writers
and the other evangeliststold the honest truth about Jesus.
They were testifying to what they sawand believe that God had done.
And we must take that seriously.
Yes, they require interpretation, but
none of the things that I'vementioned of, miraculous or
(08:36):
so-calledextraordinary works of the Holy Spirit,
none of these have been ruled outby Catholic teaching or doctrine.
In fact, many of these things,as we'll look at, have been affirmed.
So this should not be surprising.
The Catholic Church affirms that theBible, both the Old and New Testaments,
are divinely revealed, spirit inspired,Holy Spirit inspired
(08:59):
the Word of God, which is passed on
and correctly interpreted by the teachingauthority of the Catholic Church.
And so, as we go on, I'll be giving,
reflectionson the text of the New Testament
about the Holy Spiritand what we might consider
that the relevance,the importance of this for us today.
(09:22):
And I think they are important for ustoday.
I as I'm recording this,I was inspired by a wonderful homily
given by a prieston the solemnity of the Apostles
Peter and Paul at the year,the year I'm recording this.
It was held on a Sunday,so it was a great, feast day
with the whole church there.
(09:43):
The main point of the homilywas to contrast
the power and the grandeur of Romeand the Roman Empire
at the time of Saints Peter and Paul.
At that time,they were proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus
until they were each eventually martyred
in Rome for their faith in Jesus Christ
(10:03):
and the proclamation of his saving deathand resurrection.
The priest contrasted this magnificence
and power of Rome in the Roman Empirewith these two men.
Here were two men,a fisherman from Galilee
and an educated Jewwho was a convert to Christianity,
and actuallywho came to Rome as a prisoner.
(10:24):
That's Paul.
They were bringing a message.
And the message was this, that a Jewishcarpenter named Jesus, who was tried
and crucified under the Roman procuratorPilate, was no longer dead but alive,
and is now revealed as Lord and master,not only of Rome,
but of the human raceand of the whole universe.
(10:46):
And he will returnat the end of human history
as the judge of each personwho ever lived.
In other words, you know the saying
in Rome is, Caesar is Lord, Caesar.
Carry on. Curios. But
these
men were proclaiming Jesusas Lord Christos.
Curioshow unlikely it is that these two men
(11:10):
and others like them,who were put to death the day after this
feast of this lovely of SaintsPeter and Paul, is a feast of the,
the first martyrs of Romewho were martyred.
Huge number of Christiansrounded up in Rome
and basically burnt alive by Nero.
But they were put to deathfor their message,
(11:31):
and many would think, well,that was the end of that.
Peter was executed. Paul was executed.
Nero,you know, tried to stamp out Christianity.
And yet,as the priest pointed out in his homily,
if you go to Rome today, 2000 years later,we have huge basilicas,
(11:51):
vibrant places of worshipbuilt in their honor.
The honor in the honor of Peter Peter'sBasilica,
Saint Paul Outside the Walls,and not so many other churches.
Well, all that isleft of the grandeur of the Roman
Empire are basically ruins.
Okay, the Colosseum has been restored,but the Roman forum,
(12:13):
you go there and, the greatness of the thethe Empire of Rome
from 2000 years ago,it's it's got there ruins.
But the church,the message proclaimed by these two,
apostles Peter and Pauland by many others, bore fruit.
Eventually,with the conversion of the Roman Empire,
(12:35):
to believe in Jesus Christas Lord, as Savior of the world.
So how can we account for that?
I remember from ourone of our previous teachings, the prophet
Zechariah, addressed,a prophecy to Zerubbabel,
the governor,who is about the rebuilding of the temple
after that had been destroyed,and after they returned from exile.
(12:59):
And Zechariah had this wordfor Zerubbabel, he said, not by might,
not by power,but by my spirit, says the Lord of hosts.
Zechariah four six.
So What happened then
in Rome has a testimony
that it it's not by humanmight or human, power of armies
(13:22):
or empires,but it's the spirit of the Lord.
Is, one of my favorite authors.
Peter Kreeft wrote in his bookfundamentals of the Faith.
Why were 12 fishermen ableto convert the world
and a half a billion Christians unableto repeat the feat?
The spirit makes the difference.
(13:42):
And the quote.
It's a little summaryand something to think about.
My contention is that it is timefor all Christians who call to call upon
the Holy Spirit to act in his power
to accomplish what seems impossibleand isn't possible
by human effortsand human strategies and programs alone.
(14:05):
What is it?
The conversion of the worldto Jesus Christ?
It has to be by the Holy Spirit.
And Jesus promised this
in at his ascension, his last words
to his disciplesright before his ascending into heaven.
In the beginningof the acts of the apostles X18
(14:26):
he says to them, you shall receive power.
When the Holy Spirit has come upon you,and you shall be my witnesses
in Judea and Samaria,and to the ends of the earth.
If you want to knowwhat's the secret of success
of the spread of the gospeland the work of these apostles,
Jesus tells us you will receive powerwhen the Holy Spirit comes upon you.
(14:51):
With this gift of the Holy Spiritcoming in power,
we will be able to fulfillwhat is Jesus's Great Commission
in Matthew's Gospel, Matthew 2819
where Jesus command commissionsus, commands us.
Go therefore,and make disciples of all nations.
We are to make disciples of all nations,but we can only do so
(15:12):
by the power of the Holy Spirit.
So we're going to, in the future, podcasts
series here, we're going to step by steplook at the passages
in the New Testament about the Holy Spiritand see what is revealed.
Because there's much more,that the Lord will, through the Holy
Spirit will reveal to us about the personof the Holy Spirit in the New Testament.
(15:37):
So join us again,and let's end with the prayer
to the Holy Spiritto come upon us and upon the church.
Come, Holy Spirit,
fill the hearts of your faithfuland kindle in them the fire of your love.
Send forth your spiritand they shall be created,
and you shall renew the face of the earth.
Oh God, whoby the light of the Holy Spirit
(15:58):
did instruct the hearts of your faithful,grant that by that same Holy Spirit
we may be truly wise and ever rejoice inhis consolations through Christ our Lord.
Amen.
Hello, this is Doctor Alan
Schreck from the podcast studioat Franciscan University of Steubenville.
Continuing our series on the Holy Spirit
in my podcastseries, The Spirit and the bride.
And so in our podcast, we've been lookingat the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament.
To this point, I've examined passagesin the Old Testament
(00:30):
that refer to the Spirit of God,either with the actual Hebrew words
that can be translated spirit ruach,and then shama
which literally could meanwind or breath or spirit
or we've looked at, imagesor images of or images
related to God's Spirit, such as purifyingfire or life giving or cleansing water
(00:54):
or oil and anointing with oil,or a mother bird or a dove.
All these images that have been relatedto the Spirit of God
in the wisdom books of the Old Testament,I know that the wisdom who is presented
there as a person is also called a spirit
possessing many divine attributes.
However, even in these writings,neither wisdom
(01:17):
nor spirit is clearly identifiedas separate from God
or as something or someone distinctwithin God.
As we've seen,the Jewish people are monotheists.
They believed in one supremeGod who is Lord and creator of all.
So the Old Testament necessarily
(01:37):
uses some human analogies to describe God,such as God being like a father
to Israel or having a motherly carefor God's chosen people.
But it is clearthat there is only one God.
As the faithful Jew prayed twice daily.
And this Chabahar, which begins heroIsrael, the Lord is our God.
(01:59):
The Lord is one.
Now let's move on.
As we will see in the following podcastsin this series,
there is much more to be revealedand understood about God's Spirit.
In the New Testament, in the Greek,the word pneuma
is the translationfor wind or breath or spirit.
And we see this teachingwith Jesus himself,
(02:22):
and also in the inspiredor God breathed writers
of what came to becalled the New Testament.
But before we begin to go
on, proceed with a step by step unfolding
of this revelation of the Holy Spiritin these New Testament writings,
I want in this podcast to addresssomething that is a question,
(02:43):
or perhaps an attitudethat I believe some Christians,
and certainly many Catholics,have concerning the Holy Spirit.
And this attitude or these questionsgoes something like this
Is theHoly Spirit really all that important?
Isn't Christianity mainly about Jesus
(03:04):
and how Jesus reveals God is our father
and how we are to live to attaineternal life?
Isn't the role of the Holy Spiritto be more of a
a quiet, behind the scenes presence?
Otherwise, it seems to some people easyto fall into some sort of a Holy Spirit
cult that involves doing strange thingslike raising your arms to pray, or
(03:28):
speaking in crazy unknown languages,or praying with people
apart from the sacramentsand expecting messages
or words from God,or expecting people to be healed.
Not always, but sometimes when after
they've received prayerfor healing from the church and these
things are all related to in the mindsof some people, to the Holy Spirit.
(03:52):
Now, some people might want to say,no, that's not how the Holy Spirit works.
But all of these things that I've justmentioned
are in the New Testament accountsof the action of the Holy Spirit.
Now, some might fear
that the Holy Spirit threatensto move us out of our comfort zone.
As Christians, other Christians.
(04:14):
And I think this is particularly trueof many Catholics.
We have heard of the Holy Spirit,and we believe what
the whole the Nicene Creed says aboutthe spirit is true.
You know that he's, with the Fatherand Son.
He's worshipedand glorified as Lord and giver of life.
But in reality,the Holy Spirit makes little difference
(04:35):
in the way these Christians live.
And that's something we want to address.
We need to address these attitudes,I believe are widespread.
And I think if Saint Paulthe Apostle happened upon some Christians
today, he would, you know, who have thesethese views of the Holy Spirit.
(04:56):
I think he would notice something missing.
And he would ask the same questionthat he asked
a group of disciples of John the Baptist.
This is an acts 19, chapter 19, verse one.
And following he came upon thatthese 12 men, and he asks them,
did you receive the Holy Spiritwhen you became believers?
(05:16):
Now Saint Paulevidently noticed something missing.
They were disciples, and he, Saint Paul,
knew exactly what they needed.
They needed, as he explains to them,to be baptized into Jesus Christ.
And they needed prayerto receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
And that's what he proceeded to dofor those 12 men in Ephesus.
(05:40):
And it certainly changed their livesand how they experienced
and understood the Holy Spirit.
And that the final
text there in acts19 verse six, reports, quote.
And when Paul had laid his handsupon them, the Holy Spirit came upon them,
and they spoke in tonguesand prophesied, unquote.
(06:03):
Now this might be why many people todaywho claim to be Christians
don't want to hear
what the New Testament reveals to usabout the Holy Spirit, or what he does.
They eitherdon't believe in these accounts.
I mean, there were only two options.
Eitherthey don't believe, in these accounts
that these things really happen,or more commonly,
(06:23):
they have what has been termeda dispensation list view.
And this means that they thinkthat many things recorded
in the New Testament, such as healings,miracles, speaking in tongues, prophecies,
and similar character charisms gifts
attributed to the Holy Spiritwere just for Jesus in the early church
(06:44):
for perhapsto just get the church off the ground.
But they but they believe this.
They do not apply to the church today,with some exceptions.
For example, the lives of the saints.
Or maybe they believe in Eucharisticmiracles, but it's it's limited.
They limit the the what we hear inthe New Testament is in this dispensation,
(07:07):
this view is sort of limitedto this period
of the early church of the New Testamenttimes.
Now, I think this is problematic.
You know, if you don't believe,first of all, that what the New Testament
teaches about the Holy Spiritin his action is true.
If you just write it all offor if you think it is not relevant
(07:28):
for today, well, actually, thenthese podcasts are probably not for you.
However, if you are a Catholic,
you should know that everythingthe New Testament teaches
about the Holy Spiritthat I will be presenting
is totally consistentwith Catholic doctrine.
Many of these things,that we'll be discussing
(07:50):
are found in the Catechismof the Catholic Church.
And even those that aren'texplicitly mentioned
there are covered by what the Catechismof the Church Catholic doctrine
teaches about the, the, the,the Scripture itself,
the Old and New Testament,especially in the New Testament,
that the church believes that, as
(08:11):
we see in Vaticantwo documents that the, the gospel writers
and the other evangeliststold the honest truth about Jesus.
They were testifying to what they sawand believe that God had done.
And we must take that seriously.
Yes, they require interpretation, but
none of the things that I'vementioned of, miraculous or
(08:36):
so-calledextraordinary works of the Holy Spirit,
none of these have been ruled outby Catholic teaching or doctrine.
In fact, many of these things,as we'll look at, have been affirmed.
So this should not be surprising.
The Catholic Church affirms that theBible, both the Old and New Testaments,
are divinely revealed, spirit inspired,Holy Spirit inspired
(08:59):
the Word of God, which is passed on
and correctly interpreted by the teachingauthority of the Catholic Church.
And so, as we go on, I'll be giving,
reflectionson the text of the New Testament
about the Holy Spiritand what we might consider
that the relevance,the importance of this for us today.
(09:22):
And I think they are important for ustoday.
I as I'm recording this,I was inspired by a wonderful homily
given by a prieston the solemnity of the Apostles
Peter and Paul at the year,the year I'm recording this.
It was held on a Sunday,so it was a great, feast day
with the whole church there.
(09:43):
The main point of the homilywas to contrast
the power and the grandeur of Romeand the Roman Empire
at the time of Saints Peter and Paul.
At that time,they were proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus
until they were each eventually martyred
in Rome for their faith in Jesus Christ
(10:03):
and the proclamation of his saving deathand resurrection.
The priest contrasted this magnificence
and power of Rome in the Roman Empirewith these two men.
Here were two men,a fisherman from Galilee
and an educated Jewwho was a convert to Christianity,
and actuallywho came to Rome as a prisoner.
(10:24):
That's Paul.
They were bringing a message.
And the message was this, that a Jewishcarpenter named Jesus, who was tried
and crucified under the Roman procuratorPilate, was no longer dead but alive,
and is now revealed as Lord and master,not only of Rome,
but of the human raceand of the whole universe.
(10:46):
And he will returnat the end of human history
as the judge of each personwho ever lived.
In other words, you know the saying
in Rome is, Caesar is Lord, Caesar.
Carry on. Curios. But
these
men were proclaiming Jesusas Lord Christos.
Curioshow unlikely it is that these two men
(11:10):
and others like them,who were put to death the day after this
feast of this lovely of SaintsPeter and Paul, is a feast of the,
the first martyrs of Romewho were martyred.
Huge number of Christiansrounded up in Rome
and basically burnt alive by Nero.
But they were put to deathfor their message,
(11:31):
and many would think, well,that was the end of that.
Peter was executed. Paul was executed.
Nero,you know, tried to stamp out Christianity.
And yet,as the priest pointed out in his homily,
if you go to Rome today, 2000 years later,we have huge basilicas,
(11:51):
vibrant places of worshipbuilt in their honor.
The honor in the honor of Peter Peter'sBasilica,
Saint Paul Outside the Walls,and not so many other churches.
Well, all that isleft of the grandeur of the Roman
Empire are basically ruins.
Okay, the Colosseum has been restored,but the Roman forum,
(12:13):
you go there and, the greatness of the thethe Empire of Rome
from 2000 years ago,it's it's got there ruins.
But the church,the message proclaimed by these two,
apostles Peter and Pauland by many others, bore fruit.
Eventually,with the conversion of the Roman Empire,
(12:35):
to believe in Jesus Christas Lord, as Savior of the world.
So how can we account for that?
I remember from ourone of our previous teachings, the prophet
Zechariah, addressed,a prophecy to Zerubbabel,
the governor,who is about the rebuilding of the temple
after that had been destroyed,and after they returned from exile.
(12:59):
And Zechariah had this wordfor Zerubbabel, he said, not by might,
not by power,but by my spirit, says the Lord of hosts.
Zechariah four six.
So What happened then
in Rome has a testimony
that it it's not by humanmight or human, power of armies
(13:22):
or empires,but it's the spirit of the Lord.
Is, one of my favorite authors.
Peter Kreeft wrote in his bookfundamentals of the Faith.
Why were 12 fishermen ableto convert the world
and a half a billion Christians unableto repeat the feat?
The spirit makes the difference.
(13:42):
And the quote.
It's a little summaryand something to think about.
My contention is that it is timefor all Christians who call to call upon
the Holy Spirit to act in his power
to accomplish what seems impossibleand isn't possible
by human effortsand human strategies and programs alone.
(14:05):
What is it?
The conversion of the worldto Jesus Christ?
It has to be by the Holy Spirit.
And Jesus promised this
in at his ascension, his last words
to his disciplesright before his ascending into heaven.
In the beginningof the acts of the apostles X18
(14:26):
he says to them, you shall receive power.
When the Holy Spirit has come upon you,and you shall be my witnesses
in Judea and Samaria,and to the ends of the earth.
If you want to knowwhat's the secret of success
of the spread of the gospeland the work of these apostles,
Jesus tells us you will receive powerwhen the Holy Spirit comes upon you.
(14:51):
With this gift of the Holy Spiritcoming in power,
we will be able to fulfillwhat is Jesus's Great Commission
in Matthew's Gospel, Matthew 2819
where Jesus command commissionsus, commands us.
Go therefore,and make disciples of all nations.
We are to make disciples of all nations,but we can only do so
(15:12):
by the power of the Holy Spirit.
So we're going to, in the future, podcasts
series here, we're going to step by steplook at the passages
in the New Testament about the Holy Spiritand see what is revealed.
Because there's much more,that the Lord will, through the Holy
Spirit will reveal to us about the personof the Holy Spirit in the New Testament.
(15:37):
So join us again,and let's end with the prayer
to the Holy Spiritto come upon us and upon the church.
Come, Holy Spirit,
fill the hearts of your faithfuland kindle in them the fire of your love.
Send forth your spiritand they shall be created,
and you shall renew the face of the earth.
Oh God, whoby the light of the Holy Spirit
(15:58):
did instruct the hearts of your faithful,grant that by that same Holy Spirit
we may be truly wise and ever rejoice inhis consolations through Christ our Lord.
Amen.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
Two Guys, Five Rings: Matt, Bowen & The Olympics
Two Guys (Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers). Five Rings (you know, from the Olympics logo). One essential podcast for the 2026 Milan-Cortina Winter Olympics. Bowen Yang (SNL, Wicked) and Matt Rogers (Palm Royale, No Good Deed) of Las Culturistas are back for a second season of Two Guys, Five Rings, a collaboration with NBC Sports and iHeartRadio. In this 15-episode event, Bowen and Matt discuss the top storylines, obsess over Italian culture, and find out what really goes on in the Olympic Village.