Episode 1 - Buzz Sawyer Marathon, Half Marathon, and 10K

Adam and Chris welcome special guest Katie Lowe to recap the Buzz Sawyer Marathon, half marathon, and 10K.

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Welcome to Tales on the Towpath, the podcast where every mile tells a story.

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.688172225for two runners who spend a lot of time out here on the c and O Canal tow path, talking about and everything that happens between the miles. 3 00:00:13,114.688172225 --> 00:00:15,974.688172225 From early morning runs to the stories that keep us moving. 4 00:00:16,203.021505559 --> 00:00:18,543.021505559 This is where endurance meets inspiration. 5 00:00:18,753.021505559 --> 00:00:21,33.021505559 One step, one tail at a time. 6 00:00:21,358.021505559 --> 00:00:26,458.021505559 So lace up and join us on the path because every trail has a story and this one's ours. 7 00:00:26,708.021505559 --> 00:00:27,758.021505559 Welcome everybody. 8 00:00:27,758.021505559 --> 00:00:36,428.021505559 My name is Adam Lowe of two Low Runco, and we are a part of the tails on the tow path. 9 00:00:36,428.021505559 --> 00:00:37,328.021505559 Podcast. 10 00:00:37,418.021505559 --> 00:00:38,558.021505559 Here's our co-host. 11 00:00:38,683.021505559 --> 00:00:39,493.021505559 I'm Chris Earl. 12 00:00:39,493.021505559 --> 00:00:44,623.021505559 I am on Instagram as the Ale Trail Runner, and excited to be here. 13 00:00:44,623.021505559 --> 00:00:45,193.021505559 Thanks, Adam. 14 00:00:46,483.021505559 --> 00:00:47,58.021505559 over to you, Katie. 15 00:00:48,550.521505559 --> 00:00:55,885.521505559 I'm the special guest, Katie Lowe, the other half of Tulo Runco, and I'll be popping in on some of these podcasts. 16 00:00:56,135.521505559 --> 00:00:56,495.521505559 Awesome. 17 00:00:56,910.521505559 --> 00:00:57,260.521505559 right. 18 00:00:58,685.521505559 --> 00:00:59,405.521505559 Of course. 19 00:00:59,735.521505559 --> 00:01:01,595.521505559 So yeah, that's right. 20 00:01:01,595.521505559 --> 00:01:08,735.521505559 We have myself and then Chris we normally do a bunch of running out there on the CNO Canal tow path. 21 00:01:08,795.521505559 --> 00:01:20,335.521505559 And then every once in a while we'll have a guest on the podcast with us, and tonight we have our special guest, Katie Lowe with us to talk about her. 22 00:01:20,520.521505559 --> 00:01:24,780.521505559 Race that she had last weekend and the race is coming up to join the conversation. 23 00:01:25,210.521505559 --> 00:01:37,180.521505559 Our first topic for tonight is we are going to recap the Buzz Sawyer Marathon, half marathon and 10 K that took place last weekend. 24 00:01:37,765.521505559 --> 00:01:40,915.52150556 In Hancock, Maryland on the Western Maryland Rail Trail. 25 00:01:41,285.52150556 --> 00:01:51,695.52150556 It was the 10th edition of the Western Maryland Rail Trail Marathon that our company Tlo Runco took over this year. 26 00:01:51,845.52150556 --> 00:02:05,35.52150556 We renamed the race to be the Buzz Sawyer marathon, half Marathon and 10 K after the founder and race director of the JFK 50 miler. 27 00:02:06,520.52150556 --> 00:02:11,110.52150556 The Buzz Sawyer race took place on October. 28 00:02:11,110.52150556 --> 00:02:12,220.52150556 Help me out guys. 29 00:02:12,310.52150556 --> 00:02:15,850.52150556 20 19th. 30 00:02:15,940.52150556 --> 00:02:17,80.52150556 October 19th. 31 00:02:17,500.52150556 --> 00:02:17,830.52150556 Yep. 32 00:02:17,890.52150556 --> 00:02:18,250.52150556 Okay. 33 00:02:18,250.52150556 --> 00:02:21,950.52150556 Sunday, October 19th, and we had. 34 00:02:22,685.52150556 --> 00:02:28,85.52150556 About 135 runners come out between the three races. 35 00:02:28,395.52150556 --> 00:02:33,435.52150556 It was definitely a PR day and and we had pr, weather and PR conditions. 36 00:02:33,805.52150556 --> 00:02:43,305.52150556 We had a lot of our two low racers that came out including Bradley Anthony, Brad and Jane Hammond. 37 00:02:43,515.52150556 --> 00:02:45,105.52150556 Chris Earl ran it. 38 00:02:45,195.52150556 --> 00:02:48,735.52150556 Our co-host here, Samir, who won the marathon. 39 00:02:49,35.52150556 --> 00:02:53,195.52150556 Katie ran the Half marathon and then Christie ran as well. 40 00:02:53,195.52150556 --> 00:03:02,235.52150556 So we had a bunch of our two low runners that came out and supported the race and raced in their singlets and showed out big time on race day. 41 00:03:02,815.52150556 --> 00:03:04,405.52150556 We are going to. 42 00:03:05,75.52150556 --> 00:03:19,365.52150556 Get into Chris's race here in just a minute, and Katie's race so they can recap the day for us and tell us how their days went out there on the course, maybe before and after some things that they worked through during the race. 43 00:03:19,615.52150556 --> 00:03:21,85.52150556 Just an exciting day all around. 44 00:03:21,85.52150556 --> 00:03:23,815.52150556 We had a ton of volunteers that came out. 45 00:03:23,815.52150556 --> 00:03:24,715.52150556 Luke and Taylor. 46 00:03:24,775.52150556 --> 00:03:29,825.52150556 Mike and Megan our other Megan friend who always comes out to help us out for the races. 47 00:03:30,230.52150556 --> 00:03:37,690.52150556 We had the Hancock basketball and softball team came out and they worked the eight stations for us. 48 00:03:37,690.52150556 --> 00:03:39,580.52150556 So a huge day for them. 49 00:03:39,630.52150556 --> 00:03:42,970.52150556 And from what I could tell, they were very happy to be there. 50 00:03:42,970.52150556 --> 00:03:49,490.52150556 And the runners were impressed with them and the job that they did handing out water and encouraging them. 51 00:03:49,550.52150556 --> 00:03:51,230.52150556 Huge shout out to our sponsors. 52 00:03:51,230.52150556 --> 00:03:53,780.52150556 We had Kinetic Collision, cloud Splitter Coffee. 53 00:03:54,555.52150556 --> 00:03:59,370.52150556 E-P-I-E-L-M active I'll make sure I don't forget anybody here. 54 00:03:59,370.52150556 --> 00:04:01,380.52150556 JFK 50 miler, of course. 55 00:04:01,630.52150556 --> 00:04:03,520.52150556 And one Life Fitness. 56 00:04:03,520.52150556 --> 00:04:06,620.52150556 And then John Duffy came out and took some photographs for us. 57 00:04:06,620.52150556 --> 00:04:08,810.52150556 So those photos are online. 58 00:04:08,880.52150556 --> 00:04:10,830.52150556 They're on our website on Run signup. 59 00:04:10,835.52150556 --> 00:04:13,320.52150556 We'll get 'em up there, but you guys can go ahead and see 'em. 60 00:04:13,370.52150556 --> 00:04:18,230.52150556 Alright, let's go ahead and jump into a couple race recaps of the day. 61 00:04:18,640.52150556 --> 00:04:22,775.52150556 Chris, you ran the 10 k, is that correct? I did. 62 00:04:22,775.52150556 --> 00:04:27,215.52150556 I I've got a pretty packed race schedule at least for me this fall. 63 00:04:27,215.52150556 --> 00:04:32,455.52150556 And with Marine Corps coming up next weekend, I didn't wanna do too much this past weekend. 64 00:04:32,735.52150556 --> 00:04:40,595.52150556 So I signed up for the 10 k thinking I'd go out and get a pretty quick time in and, make sure I could hit those paces that I'm looking to do on Sunday at Marine Corps. 65 00:04:40,645.52150556 --> 00:04:45,405.52150556 Yeah, the the Western Mainland Rail Trail, for you guys that don't know, it's a paved four and a half. 66 00:04:46,95.52150556 --> 00:04:48,375.52150556 It's a six foot wide course. 67 00:04:48,405.52150556 --> 00:04:49,815.52150556 But it's relatively flat. 68 00:04:49,815.52150556 --> 00:04:55,125.52150556 Going out it does incline over the course of about three miles, about 150 feet. 69 00:04:55,125.52150556 --> 00:04:58,125.52150556 But by the time you get to the top, you don't even know you're at the top. 70 00:04:58,125.52150556 --> 00:05:01,495.52150556 And then for the 10 k you turn around and you're going right back down. 71 00:05:01,495.52150556 --> 00:05:05,735.52150556 But it's a very smooth surface, actually just repaved out there. 72 00:05:05,735.52150556 --> 00:05:06,695.52150556 So it's very nice. 73 00:05:06,695.52150556 --> 00:05:14,225.52150556 But, so Chris, what was your goal going into the race? Yeah I was looking to run, faster than marathon pace. 74 00:05:14,275.52150556 --> 00:05:25,625.52150556 I had been tracking sort of my progress on Strava and, with the new prediction tool that they have, it had me pegged at around just under 41 minutes for the 10 K. 75 00:05:25,655.52150556 --> 00:05:27,545.52150556 And so that was my goal. 76 00:05:27,545.52150556 --> 00:05:34,675.52150556 I was gonna go out and try to run sub 41 which put me at, roughly right around six 30 per mile pace to do it. 77 00:05:34,675.52150556 --> 00:05:36,665.52150556 I thought that would be really good for me. 78 00:05:36,665.52150556 --> 00:05:41,215.52150556 That would be, 30 to 45 seconds faster than I'm hoping to run at Marine Corps per mile. 79 00:05:41,950.52150556 --> 00:05:44,500.52150556 I knew it was gonna be a smaller race, so I wasn't sure. 80 00:05:44,560.52150556 --> 00:05:52,650.52150556 I thought it would also be a good test for me to go out and, push myself to maintain that pace without a lot of folks around, no PACE group to run with, that kind of thing. 81 00:05:52,650.52150556 --> 00:05:54,600.52150556 So make sure I had it dialed in. 82 00:05:55,490.52150556 --> 00:06:00,600.52150556 I was very fortunate that when we towed the line there were a couple of, pretty fast runners there. 83 00:06:00,700.52150556 --> 00:06:09,550.52150556 Ryan and Will were there and, for those of us in the local community, we know that those guys are gonna go out quick and they're gonna be able to maintain that super fast paced. 84 00:06:09,550.52150556 --> 00:06:13,265.52150556 It was good to have them pull us off the start and get out quick. 85 00:06:14,190.52150556 --> 00:06:16,620.52150556 A as the race started, I did what I normally did. 86 00:06:16,620.52150556 --> 00:06:24,670.52150556 I went out a little bit too fast but fortunately was able to recognize it pretty quick and, dial it back and settle right in on that six 30 pace. 87 00:06:24,920.52150556 --> 00:06:26,150.52150556 There was another runner there. 88 00:06:26,200.52150556 --> 00:06:27,370.52150556 I think you know who he is. 89 00:06:27,370.52150556 --> 00:06:28,750.52150556 His name is Ryan Lowe. 90 00:06:28,910.52150556 --> 00:06:32,270.52150556 If you're familiar, he is a local high school sort of standout. 91 00:06:33,260.52150556 --> 00:06:35,650.52150556 So it was fun to, toe the line next to him. 92 00:06:35,650.52150556 --> 00:06:39,750.52150556 And, we went out together, ran shoulder to shoulder for about the first mile. 93 00:06:39,990.52150556 --> 00:06:44,300.52150556 And that it was good to have somebody to pace with for there, just to get into that rhythm. 94 00:06:45,320.52150556 --> 00:06:48,830.52150556 but then, we got to about a mile and he looked at me and he is okay, that was fun. 95 00:06:48,830.52150556 --> 00:06:50,930.52150556 And he decided to drop the hammer a little bit. 96 00:06:51,590.52150556 --> 00:07:05,190.52150556 And so from two, from one mile for the next two miles out to the turnaround, he just slowly, gradually pulled away from me a little bit, but I was keeping him close which was really helpful, that it gave me someone to chase, for the race. 97 00:07:05,220.52150556 --> 00:07:11,70.52150556 And like you said on the way out, it's got that slight, just enough grade that you notice it. 98 00:07:11,545.52150556 --> 00:07:16,75.52150556 But I did, when we hit the turnaround, I kept waiting for the downhill and I, I never found it. 99 00:07:16,250.52150556 --> 00:07:16,790.52150556 So is. 100 00:07:17,475.52150556 --> 00:07:22,215.52150556 just enough to notice on the uphill, but not so much to really, give you that little boost on the way back. 101 00:07:22,925.52150556 --> 00:07:23,225.52150556 Yeah. 102 00:07:23,285.52150556 --> 00:07:23,495.52150556 Yeah. 103 00:07:23,495.52150556 --> 00:07:47,30.52150556 So is it, Chris, is it fair to say that part of your race strategy was to either run with Ryan as long as you could or keep him in sight, or what did you think you could run with him or beat him, or was there a competitive there or what? Oh, yeah, of course I always wanna beat the young punks, right? But, Ryan, when he's running his high school races, we all know he's gonna, he's gonna run much faster than six 30. 104 00:07:47,30.52150556 --> 00:07:50,150.52150556 So I didn't know what kind of pace he would run for the race. 105 00:07:50,160.52150556 --> 00:07:53,240.52150556 As long as I could keep him in sight, I, thought I had a chance. 106 00:07:53,860.52150556 --> 00:08:00,490.52150556 On the way back, as we got closer to the five mile mark, I was like, okay, he's still reasonably close. 107 00:08:00,490.52150556 --> 00:08:04,20.52150556 If, if he falters a little bit on this last mile, I might be able to reel him in. 108 00:08:04,920.52150556 --> 00:08:06,0.52150556 I, but man, I'll tell you what. 109 00:08:06,210.52150556 --> 00:08:09,720.52150556 He hit that five mile mark and something turned over for him. 110 00:08:09,720.52150556 --> 00:08:15,340.52150556 And, as I thought, just as I started to think, okay, I'm gonna start to make a move and see if I could reel him in, he was gone. 111 00:08:15,390.52150556 --> 00:08:16,530.52150556 He dropped the hammer. 112 00:08:16,530.52150556 --> 00:08:24,430.52150556 And I, of course, as soon as I finished, I went and checked his Strava split and yeah he ran that fifth mile at least 15 seconds per mile faster than he had been. 113 00:08:24,430.52150556 --> 00:08:27,580.52150556 So I was really excited to see him finish so strong. 114 00:08:28,200.52150556 --> 00:08:28,500.52150556 Good. 115 00:08:28,560.52150556 --> 00:08:43,885.52150556 Yeah, so that, that's one thing I like about these even the low key small races that we're getting known for putting on, you can still find one or two people to run with around your ability level and still, not be out there all by yourself. 116 00:08:43,895.52150556 --> 00:08:49,800.52150556 I think that's pretty important for people to feed off of as the race builds up and continues. 117 00:08:51,125.52150556 --> 00:08:51,725.52150556 Absolutely. 118 00:08:51,725.52150556 --> 00:08:57,510.52150556 And that's one of the things I've really loved about the, this, running group that participates in this area. 119 00:08:57,560.52150556 --> 00:09:08,680.52150556 There's healthy competition, but there's even more support for each other, right? If somebody's having a better day, nobody's upset that, you got beat at this, that the end, you're just happy for that person. 120 00:09:08,680.52150556 --> 00:09:14,840.52150556 And, from, it doesn't matter if you're 15, 27 or up in your fifties like I am, right. 121 00:09:14,930.52150556 --> 00:09:18,280.52150556 rooting and cheering and happy for the success that you bring. 122 00:09:18,625.52150556 --> 00:09:30,740.52150556 So what was your toughest part during the race? Can you think back what mile or maybe moment or anything like that was the toughest for you during the 10 KI. 123 00:09:30,755.52150556 --> 00:09:45,825.52150556 For me, for almost all my races, it's that, when you're about 60% to 80% done in that range you still got a lot to go, not quite close enough to where you can really, be confident that you're gonna have the ratio you want. 124 00:09:45,855.52150556 --> 00:09:54,855.52150556 And so I always find those miles tough and I just have to keep track of the watch, make sure I'm not drifting mentally and maintaining my pace. 125 00:09:54,885.52150556 --> 00:09:57,885.52150556 Fortunately this race I did much better. 126 00:09:58,255.52150556 --> 00:10:01,385.52150556 I tend to, first third of the race is really good. 127 00:10:01,655.52150556 --> 00:10:06,385.52150556 Middle third is about where I wanna be, and then, sometimes I fall apart that last third. 128 00:10:06,755.52150556 --> 00:10:12,845.52150556 But, fortunately I ran pretty even splits, I think within seven or eight seconds, which for me is a pretty tight grouping. 129 00:10:14,480.52150556 --> 00:10:25,560.52150556 Did you have anything that like kept you motivated when things got difficult? Did you think about anything or I, mostly just chasing that white singlet which? was wearing. 130 00:10:25,560.52150556 --> 00:10:32,180.52150556 I, keeping him in sight and being able to draw him in, and, fortunately when we got to the five mile mark, I knew only had, just over a mile to go. 131 00:10:32,180.52150556 --> 00:10:40,260.52150556 And at that point I knew I was gonna be really close at breaking 41, and so I just kept, pushing and, at. 132 00:10:41,305.52150556 --> 00:10:42,415.52150556 Probably five and a half. 133 00:10:42,415.52150556 --> 00:10:44,785.52150556 I was starting to question whether I was gonna make it or not. 134 00:10:44,785.52150556 --> 00:10:47,815.52150556 By five and three quarter, I was like, oh, you actually have a shot. 135 00:10:47,815.52150556 --> 00:10:49,35.52150556 The last, 0.2 136 00:10:49,35.52150556 --> 00:10:49,995.52150556 to 0.4 137 00:10:50,165.52150556 --> 00:10:55,415.52150556 miles, I just, put my head down and let the heart rate go up as high as I could push it and keep going. 138 00:10:55,815.52150556 --> 00:10:59,825.52150556 Very fortunate, came across the line in 41 14. 139 00:11:00,695.52150556 --> 00:11:03,255.52150556 at first I was like, ah, darn, I just missed it. 140 00:11:03,255.52150556 --> 00:11:07,185.52150556 Then on my Garmin it was just a tad over a 10 K. 141 00:11:07,185.52150556 --> 00:11:14,795.52150556 When you got, when I, got into the data and looked at my 10 K split, it was 42, 47, I think so, or sorry, 40, 47. 142 00:11:15,845.52150556 --> 00:11:17,345.52150556 So I was real happy with that. 143 00:11:17,795.52150556 --> 00:11:24,360.52150556 I hate to tell you this, Chris, but as the race director we make the courses long on purpose so that way you don't get PRS all the time. 144 00:11:24,610.52150556 --> 00:11:33,780.52150556 I will tell you that one of the first things I did was when our friend Julie finished, I went over and I said, Hey, what'd you get for distance? And she had it spot on what I had. 145 00:11:33,780.52150556 --> 00:11:34,935.52150556 So I was like, Same thing. 146 00:11:35,325.52150556 --> 00:11:35,655.52150556 Yep. 147 00:11:37,65.52150556 --> 00:11:37,395.52150556 Got it. 148 00:11:37,455.52150556 --> 00:11:37,695.52150556 Alright. 149 00:11:37,995.52150556 --> 00:11:49,265.52150556 Okay, LA last question for you for the 10 K there do you have a favorite memory from the race or from the race weekend day? Something that made the Buzz Sawyer weekend memorable for you. 150 00:11:50,190.52150556 --> 00:11:51,0.52150556 I'll give you two. 151 00:11:51,40.52150556 --> 00:11:55,530.52150556 First off, for me to be able to win the Master's division for me that was special. 152 00:11:55,570.52150556 --> 00:11:57,490.52150556 I didn't really expect that going in. 153 00:11:57,490.52150556 --> 00:12:01,640.52150556 I knew I'd be competitive, but, I was happy to be able to put that on MAs Strava post. 154 00:12:02,70.52150556 --> 00:12:10,760.52150556 But the I will probably never forget that moment when Ryan gave me a little bit of side eye at the one mile mark and was like, okay, this is fun, but now I gotta run. 155 00:12:12,105.52150556 --> 00:12:14,745.52150556 Me of exactly what I would've done when I, he, I was his age. 156 00:12:15,435.52150556 --> 00:12:15,675.52150556 Yep. 157 00:12:16,65.52150556 --> 00:12:16,305.52150556 Yeah. 158 00:12:16,355.52150556 --> 00:12:16,895.52150556 That's great. 159 00:12:16,895.52150556 --> 00:12:23,565.52150556 I'm glad you were right there on your goal of 41 minutes and maybe with a a 6.2 160 00:12:23,565.52150556 --> 00:12:25,905.52150556 mile course, you would've been right there with it. 161 00:12:25,905.52150556 --> 00:12:32,335.52150556 But I'm glad you got out there and we're competitive and we can talk about the N-I-N-I-L deal here in a little bit. 162 00:12:32,850.52150556 --> 00:12:37,40.52150556 Maybe later about get, getting paid for your performance there. 163 00:12:37,40.52150556 --> 00:12:40,420.52150556 But so Katie, you've been sitting there waiting so patiently. 164 00:12:40,700.52150556 --> 00:12:44,150.52150556 But we we all know that Oh yeah. 165 00:12:44,180.52150556 --> 00:12:44,780.52150556 Jump in. 166 00:12:45,398.02150556 --> 00:12:51,568.02150556 About the course being long, we don't necessarily make it long on purpose, but we don't want it to be short. 167 00:12:52,918.02150556 --> 00:12:54,623.02150556 I, my, at KI ran yes. 168 00:12:55,5.52150556 --> 00:12:56,543.02150556 ago, I was Okay. 169 00:12:56,765.52150556 --> 00:13:02,415.52150556 and I knew I was at PR Pace and I came across the line and it was not 6.2 170 00:13:02,415.52150556 --> 00:13:03,520.52150556 miles, it was six point. 171 00:13:04,545.52150556 --> 00:13:05,715.52150556 One or something. 172 00:13:05,715.52150556 --> 00:13:18,285.52150556 So what did I do? I ran through the finish line, didn't get my medal and kept running because there was no way I wasn't gonna have a 10 K registered on my Strava when I knew I was pring that. 173 00:13:18,765.52150556 --> 00:13:21,593.02150556 So it's better to be just a Yep. 174 00:13:21,833.02150556 --> 00:13:23,595.52150556 I little short in my opinion. 175 00:13:24,533.02150556 --> 00:13:25,433.02150556 a hundred percent. 176 00:13:25,493.02150556 --> 00:13:33,3.02150556 Like we've all, I think, been there at those five Ks where the race director wants everybody to run that fast time, and it's 3.04 177 00:13:33,3.02150556 --> 00:13:34,383.02150556 instead of 3.1. 178 00:13:34,383.02150556 --> 00:13:34,593.02150556 And. 179 00:13:35,928.02150556 --> 00:13:36,648.02150556 Then you're right. 180 00:13:36,798.02150556 --> 00:13:41,868.02150556 Then you go and look at your Strava and it's oh, you didn't PR in the 5K 'cause you didn't run a 5K. 181 00:13:42,98.02150556 --> 00:13:44,888.02150556 I don't want an asterisk by my pr, so I kept running. 182 00:13:44,978.02150556 --> 00:13:46,515.52150556 So exactly. 183 00:13:46,690.52150556 --> 00:13:48,250.52150556 So let me, lemme go back. 184 00:13:49,345.52150556 --> 00:13:56,485.52150556 Adam, didn't you do that at a marathon one time? Recently, What's that? the, you didn't quite have 26.2 185 00:13:56,485.52150556 --> 00:13:58,285.52150556 when you crossed the line and you just kept going. 186 00:13:59,460.52150556 --> 00:14:00,130.52150556 Gettysburg. 187 00:14:00,380.52150556 --> 00:14:02,30.52150556 I did have to go at Gettysburg. 188 00:14:02,30.52150556 --> 00:14:06,740.52150556 I did have to go like another, like a hundred meters or something like that to make sure I got it. 189 00:14:06,740.52150556 --> 00:14:07,400.52150556 Yeah, I did. 190 00:14:07,870.52150556 --> 00:14:19,839.52150556 That, that's a little bit of a different feeling, right? You get finish a marathon and you just wanna stop and you're, a little I don't know if we can say anal on this podcast, but a little anal about the distance on your Strava, right? Yeah. 191 00:14:19,889.52150556 --> 00:14:20,99.52150556 Yeah. 192 00:14:20,129.52150556 --> 00:14:21,119.52150556 Good good times. 193 00:14:21,289.52150556 --> 00:14:24,799.52150556 So to go backwards on, on Chris's results here real quick. 194 00:14:24,989.52150556 --> 00:14:26,339.52150556 Chris was fourth overall. 195 00:14:26,339.52150556 --> 00:14:33,349.52150556 I don't know if we mentioned that he was first masters, but the the top place guy Will, Merrick ran 33 29. 196 00:14:33,739.52150556 --> 00:14:40,159.52150556 Ryan Rascoe was second with 35 41, and Ryan Lowe was third overall with 40 15. 197 00:14:40,609.52150556 --> 00:14:41,719.52150556 And just for. 198 00:14:42,224.52150556 --> 00:14:47,654.52150556 Record purposes, the top nine people broke the previous course record. 199 00:14:47,994.52150556 --> 00:14:52,79.52150556 That, the court the, the race is, this is the 10th year for the race. 200 00:14:52,79.52150556 --> 00:14:59,219.52150556 So nine years old in the course record was 52 minutes and the top nine people broke the course record. 201 00:14:59,219.52150556 --> 00:15:04,649.52150556 We were pretty happy with that result to attract a lot of the a lot of faster runners. 202 00:15:04,649.52150556 --> 00:15:12,329.52150556 And then we attracted also a lot of people who are doing their first 10 K or first race or their 50th race of the year. 203 00:15:12,379.52150556 --> 00:15:16,519.52150556 You know that's what excites us getting out the different, all the different types of runners. 204 00:15:16,799.52150556 --> 00:15:21,719.52150556 Alright, let's go ahead and jump into, Was the I'm sorry. 205 00:15:21,719.52150556 --> 00:15:25,889.52150556 Top female was in, was seventh place overall, and then. 206 00:15:26,414.52150556 --> 00:15:38,394.52150556 It was not broken, but Julie won with a time of 48, 27, but so she didn't break the female time, but she would've broken the male time from previous years. 207 00:15:38,814.52150556 --> 00:15:44,624.52150556 Out of the top 11 in the 10 K, we had our first, second, and third female in the top. 208 00:15:44,924.52150556 --> 00:15:46,274.52150556 11 overall. 209 00:15:46,694.52150556 --> 00:15:51,884.52150556 All right, Katie, let's jump into the Buzz Sawyer half marathon recap for you. 210 00:15:52,214.52150556 --> 00:16:09,834.52150556 So this was a race that has been on your calendar for about 36 hours before the race took place, right? We added that one in a little late to, and when I say we, I mean you, and you run it by me and your coach. 211 00:16:10,144.52150556 --> 00:16:15,874.52150556 We decided that we had enough help for you to give it a shot and run. 212 00:16:15,924.52150556 --> 00:16:30,982.02150556 Bef when you decided to run what was your goal going into it? The little bit of backstory on that is that when I ran six half marathons by the first week of May during this calendar year, and my last one was. 213 00:16:31,882.02150556 --> 00:16:33,772.02150556 two minutes slower than my pr. 214 00:16:33,862.02150556 --> 00:16:37,792.02150556 And I wasn't really shooting for a pr, so I was thinking, oh, I'm close. 215 00:16:37,792.02150556 --> 00:16:38,722.02150556 I wanna go for it. 216 00:16:38,722.02150556 --> 00:16:41,962.0215056 And I've been training for specifically half marathon. 217 00:16:42,322.0215056 --> 00:16:48,292.0215056 Went for it at locked a lock missed it by one minute when I was just so sure that it was gonna happen. 218 00:16:48,292.0215056 --> 00:16:50,62.0215056 It was a really hot, humid day. 219 00:16:50,962.0215056 --> 00:16:52,822.0215056 It just took it out of me. 220 00:16:52,822.0215056 --> 00:17:00,282.0215056 And I think I put so much pressure on myself, but originally what I had said was, I wanted to run Buzz Sawyer because of the. 221 00:17:00,922.0215056 --> 00:17:04,822.0215056 Nature of the course, the flat, I knew it would be fast. 222 00:17:05,212.0215056 --> 00:17:09,62.0215056 It's just a nice run area and surface. 223 00:17:09,272.0215056 --> 00:17:18,702.0215056 But then I looked at our race schedule and we had the Rick O'Donnell Memorial eight hour ultra distance challenge on the schedule, and it was only one week before. 224 00:17:18,702.0215056 --> 00:17:25,482.0215056 So I was thinking, okay, the smart idea is not to go for a PR and a half marathon exactly one week after. 225 00:17:26,352.0215056 --> 00:17:28,392.0215056 Doing big miles in an eight hour challenge. 226 00:17:29,112.0215056 --> 00:17:38,262.0215056 So then when the lock to lock disaster, unquote happened, which wasn't a disaster, it was my second best half marathon ever. 227 00:17:38,262.0215056 --> 00:17:41,22.0215056 But I was really disappointed that I didn't get my pr. 228 00:17:41,22.0215056 --> 00:17:48,942.0215056 So when that happened, I'm thinking, okay, what's my revenge half marathon gonna be? Maybe Buzz Sawyer and. 229 00:17:50,697.0215056 --> 00:17:58,557.0215056 Adam and I went back and forth and back and forth on what do I do I run both? Do I don't know, go back and only to the eight hour challenge. 230 00:17:58,557.0215056 --> 00:18:00,87.0215056 It does have a five mile option. 231 00:18:00,87.0215056 --> 00:18:01,647.0215056 It has a four hour challenge. 232 00:18:01,647.0215056 --> 00:18:07,317.0215056 Do I just phone it in, stay in the eight hour challenge, just do a couple loops 'cause it's a five mile looped course. 233 00:18:07,467.0215056 --> 00:18:08,967.0215056 And save up for Buzz Sawyer. 234 00:18:08,967.0215056 --> 00:18:09,692.0215056 What do I do? And then. 235 00:18:10,392.0215056 --> 00:18:16,2.0215056 Just as we usually do Adam and I don't usually give up one race for the next one. 236 00:18:16,152.0215056 --> 00:18:18,222.0215056 So I was like, I'm just gonna see what happens. 237 00:18:18,492.0215056 --> 00:18:19,2.0215056 Go out. 238 00:18:19,32.0215056 --> 00:18:27,22.0215056 I ran the Rick's run 35 miles on the day and won for the females, so I was defending champion. 239 00:18:27,472.0215056 --> 00:18:34,152.0215056 So that was fun 'cause it's not really expected, I had won the year before, so it was fun to be able to defend my title. 240 00:18:35,82.0215056 --> 00:18:40,92.0215056 And then I was like, I'm gonna go out bus Sawyer and just do what I can. 241 00:18:40,452.0215056 --> 00:18:42,102.0215056 I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna run. 242 00:18:42,102.0215056 --> 00:18:44,382.0215056 I'm not gonna put pressure on myself. 243 00:18:44,442.0215056 --> 00:18:47,682.0215056 I'm not going to worry about it. 244 00:18:47,712.0215056 --> 00:18:52,92.0215056 I've told everybody, it was like a no fuss, no must. 245 00:18:53,622.0215056 --> 00:18:59,682.0215056 Type of race for me, I wasn't gonna look up where the aid stations are, which I should already know 'cause we race directed. 246 00:18:59,712.0215056 --> 00:19:03,42.0215056 But I knew, but I wasn't gonna, I wasn't even gonna get that specific about it. 247 00:19:03,42.0215056 --> 00:19:07,812.0215056 I was just gonna go and I was gonna be prepared, but I was gonna just run whatever my legs would do. 248 00:19:07,872.0215056 --> 00:19:10,92.0215056 And I, and really I run best that way. 249 00:19:10,452.0215056 --> 00:19:14,282.0215056 So my goal going in was just to run. 250 00:19:14,627.0215056 --> 00:19:17,27.0215056 Low stress and happy. 251 00:19:17,57.0215056 --> 00:19:19,187.0215056 It was fun seeing all the people there. 252 00:19:19,497.0215056 --> 00:19:21,917.0215056 It's on an out and back course of that nature. 253 00:19:21,917.0215056 --> 00:19:25,487.0215056 I get to see all the marathoners, all the half marathoners. 254 00:19:26,267.0215056 --> 00:19:29,887.0215056 some of the 10 K at the front I mean before the race starts. 255 00:19:29,887.0215056 --> 00:19:32,227.0215056 And then I get to socialize a little bit with them afterwards. 256 00:19:32,227.0215056 --> 00:19:34,657.0215056 But we get to see, I get to see most of the people in the race. 257 00:19:34,657.0215056 --> 00:19:37,987.0215056 So that was a really fun aspect and whenever I started, I. 258 00:19:38,962.0215056 --> 00:19:46,132.0215056 I just told myself I would do what I could, and so I didn't really know, but in my mind I was gonna give myself a chance to PR that day. 259 00:19:46,382.0215056 --> 00:19:56,302.0215056 Alright, I was gonna ask you your specific race strategy, but I think you covered that for the most part, right? Like you just went out and just enjoyed the day and go ahead. 260 00:19:56,449.5215056 --> 00:20:00,199.5215056 was the strategy, but I did know that I did know what it would take to pr. 261 00:20:00,529.5215056 --> 00:20:08,559.5215056 So I've been training to run eight minute miles, maybe just a little bit better. 262 00:20:08,559.5215056 --> 00:20:12,789.5215056 I knew I was trained for lock to run seven fifties, and that's what I went out at. 263 00:20:12,789.5215056 --> 00:20:17,264.5215056 I probably should adjusted that, but I really ran goal paste workouts at eight. 264 00:20:18,279.5215056 --> 00:20:19,269.5215056 just a little under. 265 00:20:19,689.5215056 --> 00:20:26,169.5215056 So my whole time I was running, I was like, keep it around seven 50 to eight. 266 00:20:26,199.5215056 --> 00:20:29,709.5215056 As long as I'm between seven 50 and eight, I'm good. 267 00:20:29,949.5215056 --> 00:20:31,744.5215056 And a few times I probably checked my watch. 268 00:20:32,979.5215056 --> 00:20:35,289.5215056 25 to 50 times. 269 00:20:35,289.5215056 --> 00:20:37,479.5215056 It could have been more during that first mile. 270 00:20:37,479.5215056 --> 00:20:40,329.5215056 The first mile felt like it took forever. 271 00:20:40,329.5215056 --> 00:20:48,669.5215056 I was starting to question if I would make it 13 miles, because I checked my watch so many times because I'm just so bad about going out way too fast. 272 00:20:48,669.5215056 --> 00:20:56,339.5215056 I get caught up and I have all the adrenaline and I feel wonderful and I feel like I could run that fast forever and that never. 273 00:20:56,534.5215056 --> 00:20:57,14.5215056 Works. 274 00:20:58,304.5215056 --> 00:21:01,874.5215056 when I'd look down at my watch and it'd say seven 20, and I'm like, whoa no. 275 00:21:01,874.5215056 --> 00:21:02,954.5215056 We're not doing that today. 276 00:21:03,284.5215056 --> 00:21:12,914.5215056 So I just back way off and I really had to hold back and I just, every time I checked my watch, I made sure my average pace was between seven 50. 277 00:21:12,914.5215056 --> 00:21:16,34.5215056 It was mostly around 7 55 to eight, and. 278 00:21:17,54.5215056 --> 00:21:18,764.5215056 I, so that was what I was trying to say. 279 00:21:18,794.5215056 --> 00:21:22,514.5215056 'cause I knew, I was like, I'm not gonna try to blast this PR outta the water. 280 00:21:22,694.5215056 --> 00:21:29,174.5215056 What I'm gonna try to do is just pr and if I have something left over at the end, I'll give it everything I have. 281 00:21:29,504.5215056 --> 00:21:31,574.5215056 But it worked because. 282 00:21:32,174.5215056 --> 00:21:37,664.5215056 If I look, if I go back and look at my splits, I don't know if I've ever run with such consistency. 283 00:21:38,84.5215056 --> 00:21:47,444.5215056 I had, I think 10 out of my 13 miles were between 54 and 7 59, like that. 284 00:21:47,444.5215056 --> 00:21:49,784.5215056 So about a five second range there. 285 00:21:50,174.5215056 --> 00:21:52,844.5215056 And I had a couple that were a little faster towards the end of the race. 286 00:21:52,874.5215056 --> 00:21:57,914.5215056 So my strategy was really to keep it around between seven 50 and eight minute miles. 287 00:21:58,164.5215056 --> 00:21:58,454.5215056 Good. 288 00:21:58,544.5215056 --> 00:22:05,9.5215056 Not only did you get a PR on race day, you are also 14th overall and second masters. 289 00:22:05,229.5215056 --> 00:22:08,609.5215056 But I do have a question and I'm gonna, I'm gonna go off script here. 290 00:22:08,609.5215056 --> 00:22:10,79.5215056 I have a serious question for you though. 291 00:22:10,79.5215056 --> 00:22:24,322.0215056 So what do you think you did more of? Do you think you checked your watch more during the first mile or check the weather report leading up to the race? Which one do you think you did more? There's, okay. 292 00:22:24,742.0215056 --> 00:22:25,792.0215056 Definitely the weather. 293 00:22:26,42.0215056 --> 00:22:26,852.0215056 Definitely the weather. 294 00:22:26,852.0215056 --> 00:22:37,672.0215056 I will check the weather at least twice a day leading up to race day, especially if it's calling for rain or any kind of adverse conditions. 295 00:22:38,557.0215056 --> 00:22:41,917.0215056 Just, with a hope and a prayer that changes. 296 00:22:41,917.0215056 --> 00:22:43,447.0215056 But I wanna be prepared. 297 00:22:43,447.0215056 --> 00:22:46,507.0215056 Adam always gets on my case about the, about checking the weather. 298 00:22:46,837.0215056 --> 00:22:54,397.0215056 At first it did call for rain and, but then I was, I just kept checking and it's changed Adam, so I think my methods working. 299 00:22:55,889.5215056 --> 00:22:56,279.5215056 Good. 300 00:22:56,679.5215056 --> 00:22:57,309.5215056 I agree. 301 00:22:57,469.5215056 --> 00:23:10,822.0215056 So like late in the race, when it started to become difficult, what kept you motivated? Did you have a mantra? What were you thinking to yourself in order to get through those tough spots? There was a couple different things. 302 00:23:11,777.0215056 --> 00:23:27,832.0215056 One I am reading mental training for Ultra Runners for ultra running one of the things that I read early on, and it has just stuck with me, is that your mind will give up before your body does. 303 00:23:28,192.0215056 --> 00:23:36,982.0215056 So the whole time I was telling myself as I was keeping my pace when it started to get difficult, I told myself that your mind's gonna give up before your body. 304 00:23:37,762.0215056 --> 00:23:39,472.0215056 You ran 35 miles last week. 305 00:23:39,472.0215056 --> 00:23:43,662.0215056 You've recovered you're doing like, just stick to what you can do. 306 00:23:43,662.0215056 --> 00:23:45,582.0215056 But your mind will give up before your body. 307 00:23:45,582.0215056 --> 00:23:48,72.0215056 Your body has more to give and. 308 00:23:48,837.0215056 --> 00:23:54,747.0215056 I also told myself that I know my mind is one of the, my strong points. 309 00:23:54,807.0215056 --> 00:24:02,992.0215056 It's one of the things that I feel like I have done a lot of work with and I've, I. 310 00:24:03,842.0215056 --> 00:24:15,697.0215056 mastered by any means, but I feel like I have a strong will and a strong mind for running a longer distance or running when I'm in pain or pushing through when things get hard. 311 00:24:16,57.0215056 --> 00:24:20,437.0215056 So while I may not like it, I feel like I still will myself to do it. 312 00:24:20,617.0215056 --> 00:24:23,947.0215056 So I said, your mind is not gonna give up before your body does. 313 00:24:24,307.0215056 --> 00:24:24,907.0215056 And. 314 00:24:25,487.0215056 --> 00:24:28,127.0215056 It got hard with the last couple miles. 315 00:24:28,127.0215056 --> 00:24:32,237.0215056 I could definitely feel the big miles from the week before coming through. 316 00:24:32,237.0215056 --> 00:24:37,227.0215056 Like until, I kept telling myself, get to halfway and then you'll be coming downhill. 317 00:24:37,227.0215056 --> 00:24:39,387.0215056 But Chris said, I didn't notice the downhill. 318 00:24:40,417.0215056 --> 00:24:41,227.0215056 I don't know about that. 319 00:24:41,227.0215056 --> 00:24:45,787.0215056 Somehow I was still going uphill every time I realized there was any kind of up or downgrade. 320 00:24:46,117.0215056 --> 00:24:55,207.0215056 Also there was a second part to what was motivating for me is that two of my daughters were there they don't usually get to see me race. 321 00:24:55,597.0215056 --> 00:25:03,697.0215056 And there were times where I maybe oh, you can kind of cruise for a minute or you can let off the gas a little bit. 322 00:25:03,697.0215056 --> 00:25:04,477.0215056 And then I'm like, no. 323 00:25:04,477.0215056 --> 00:25:08,897.0215056 How cool would it be if I really I knew I was on pace, I knew I was hitting it. 324 00:25:09,827.0215056 --> 00:25:13,907.0215056 Don't give up now because how cool is it gonna be when your girls get to see. 325 00:25:14,277.0215056 --> 00:25:18,447.0215056 You run this race, finish this race, and it's your PR on the same day. 326 00:25:19,107.0215056 --> 00:25:20,607.0215056 That doesn't happen every race. 327 00:25:20,607.0215056 --> 00:25:35,972.0215056 So that I've worked so hard over the past seven months or so, I've been working towards this goal of the half Marathon pr it, it was, it just all was like coming together that they got to be there to see it as well. 328 00:25:37,569.5215056 --> 00:25:37,749.5215056 Good. 329 00:25:37,779.5215056 --> 00:25:48,134.5215056 So is that, is it fair to say that's one of your favorite memories from the race then is maybe like when you crossed the finish line and saw them, or do you have something else that also sticks out? I don't know. 330 00:25:48,944.5215056 --> 00:25:50,204.5215056 I hadn't really thought about this. 331 00:25:50,392.0215056 --> 00:25:50,512.0215056 I. 332 00:25:50,984.5215056 --> 00:25:52,162.0215056 but I do think, What. 333 00:25:52,814.5215056 --> 00:25:55,664.5215056 middle daughter, had the medals whenever I came through. 334 00:25:55,664.5215056 --> 00:26:04,564.5215056 And there is actually one of our friends sent us a, sent me a picture of her, like holding out the medal and she has this big smile on her face and whenever I crossed the line. 335 00:26:04,834.5215056 --> 00:26:06,154.5215056 So that was really special. 336 00:26:06,304.5215056 --> 00:26:10,889.5215056 And one of the things that sticks out to me about most races like this, especially when we have. 337 00:26:11,484.5215056 --> 00:26:17,684.5215056 So many familiar faces, friends or just acquaintances from the running community at these local races. 338 00:26:17,684.5215056 --> 00:26:19,462.0215056 I absolutely On and. 339 00:26:19,544.5215056 --> 00:26:26,524.5215056 them out on the course and like cheering for each other or, I was pretty good about telling everybody. 340 00:26:26,524.5215056 --> 00:26:27,844.5215056 Good job on the way out. 341 00:26:28,609.5215056 --> 00:26:38,29.5215056 But when I got on the way back, I was, it got a little more difficult to cheer for people that I was passing, but I still tried to give a thumbs up or muster some kind of good job. 342 00:26:39,109.5215056 --> 00:26:47,649.5215056 But I really enjoy that aspect of the local racing community and when we get to go to races that a lot of people are at. 343 00:26:47,899.5215056 --> 00:26:50,959.5215056 I just would, I would just echo what Katie was saying. 344 00:26:51,49.5215056 --> 00:26:56,39.5215056 I must've said, good job, a hundred times as people were coming and going, on the out and back courses. 345 00:26:56,39.5215056 --> 00:27:06,719.5215056 That's, to me, that's the only part I really like about straight out and back courses is getting to see your friends, getting to see new people, cheer them on, have them cheer you on. 346 00:27:06,779.5215056 --> 00:27:10,529.5215056 It just builds such good comradery while we're out there suffering together. 347 00:27:11,284.5215056 --> 00:27:12,634.5215056 There is something to that. 348 00:27:12,664.5215056 --> 00:27:23,864.5215056 I mean I've done plenty of like out and backs on the canal or out and backs on the rail trail and it is different when you're either passing someone or someone passes you and they say, good job or. 349 00:27:24,139.5215056 --> 00:27:27,229.5215056 You look strong rather than coming from like the crowd. 350 00:27:27,509.5215056 --> 00:27:38,129.5215056 Like that person is in the pain cave with you, right? They're suffering with you, but they manage to give you a thumbs up or they manage to smile at you or something. 351 00:27:38,129.5215056 --> 00:27:48,169.5215056 And that means more than, sometimes the random stranger standing on the sideline telling you, you look good, because that person is, they're in it with you, absolutely. 352 00:27:48,237.0215056 --> 00:27:48,954.5215056 have Yeah. 353 00:27:49,47.0215056 --> 00:27:54,937.0215056 the 10 K that I mentioned having to run extra to get to the full 10 k distance. 354 00:27:55,267.0215056 --> 00:27:57,847.0215056 When I ran that, that was also an out and back and. 355 00:27:59,212.0215056 --> 00:28:12,712.0215056 It was I won that 10 K that day for the females and everybody I passed after I turned around it was getting hard because a 10 K is a decent amount faster than the half marathon. 356 00:28:12,712.0215056 --> 00:28:17,122.0215056 Right? And it, I was like getting to the point where I was like, I don't know if I can keep doing this. 357 00:28:17,122.0215056 --> 00:28:20,182.0215056 This is gonna be embarrassing when I start walking and everybody passes me. 358 00:28:20,542.0215056 --> 00:28:23,682.0215056 But when I turned, hit that turnaround point. 359 00:28:24,87.0215056 --> 00:28:36,417.0215056 And all, and I started passing like the rest of the field that were coming towards me, were so many people who I did not know that were cheering for me and saying, oh, first female, or saying all this stuff. 360 00:28:36,417.0215056 --> 00:28:46,647.0215056 And I just got this boost, like you could even see it in my splits where I had started to slow a little bit and then when I got to this one point where I was passing all these people, it just. 361 00:28:47,602.0215056 --> 00:28:51,202.0215056 Shot back up because I was like, I can't let, I can't let him down. 362 00:28:51,202.0215056 --> 00:28:52,222.0215056 I can't look bad now. 363 00:28:52,272.0215056 --> 00:29:03,122.0215056 And that's another thing about, if you think about your mind giving up before your body, my body obviously was still capable of pushing harder, but my mind was telling me, oh, this hurts. 364 00:29:03,172.0215056 --> 00:29:07,882.0215056 You better save some for the end because you don't wanna walk across a line or whatever the case may be. 365 00:29:08,42.0215056 --> 00:29:14,402.0215056 I think about races like that too, where I'm like, wait, I had another gear and I don't know if I would've pushed it. 366 00:29:14,452.0215056 --> 00:29:21,732.0215056 If some mental part, and it maybe that mental aspect is the people and other people in the race or the people in the that are cheering with you. 367 00:29:21,732.0215056 --> 00:29:27,912.0215056 But it is always awesome to come off a race where other runners are like hyping you up at the same time. 368 00:29:29,839.5215056 --> 00:29:30,259.5215056 Absolutely. 369 00:29:31,639.5215056 --> 00:29:31,819.5215056 Yeah. 370 00:29:31,829.5215056 --> 00:29:32,399.5215056 Hey Adam. 371 00:29:32,459.5215056 --> 00:29:33,839.5215056 We've talked about our race. 372 00:29:34,79.5215056 --> 00:29:40,719.5215056 What about you as race director? Do you have any special memories or what do you, what did you really enjoy about the weekend? That's a good question, Chris. 373 00:29:40,769.5215056 --> 00:29:46,849.5215056 Yeah, I think like for me, like race directing sometimes is challenging. 374 00:29:47,614.5215056 --> 00:30:00,494.5215056 Yeah, just in the fact that I still really want to be out there on race day, like running, and like sometimes I have to, I can't do that at all these races, and but then I've had some time to reflect and I think, if. 375 00:30:01,169.5215056 --> 00:30:08,709.5215056 Katie and I weren't putting these races on, then we wouldn't get to see, 150 people at Buzz Sawyer have these experiences. 376 00:30:08,709.5215056 --> 00:30:10,209.5215056 Or at lock to lock. 377 00:30:10,489.5215056 --> 00:30:14,109.5215056 We wouldn't be able to see, 350, 360 people. 378 00:30:14,574.5215056 --> 00:30:25,764.5215056 Start and then cross that finish line honestly, as different people, right? Like one of my favorite memories this year from the half marathon is three of our good friends, they come to pub runs all the time. 379 00:30:25,814.5215056 --> 00:30:27,704.5215056 They run together all the time. 380 00:30:28,299.5215056 --> 00:30:33,249.5215056 But Ben, Mariah and Mario finished top three in the half marathon. 381 00:30:33,509.5215056 --> 00:30:42,689.5215056 So you know that's special, that we know those top three guys and ladies and they came, they chose to come to our race and put it all out on the line. 382 00:30:42,739.5215056 --> 00:30:44,74.5215056 And I really enjoy. 383 00:30:44,469.5215056 --> 00:30:49,339.5215056 Seeing people that I know and then seeing people that I don't know from the marathon part. 384 00:30:49,829.5215056 --> 00:30:51,849.5215056 I have two real fond memories from that. 385 00:30:51,849.5215056 --> 00:30:57,359.5215056 The first one is one of the ladies that finished just over six hours, I think. 386 00:30:57,439.5215056 --> 00:31:00,189.5215056 Katie showed me a picture of her yesterday. 387 00:31:00,189.5215056 --> 00:31:00,604.5215056 We actually. 388 00:31:01,84.5215056 --> 00:31:09,544.5215056 Had to mail her a shirt and she finished just over six hours and she looked fresh, but she looked so happy to like, cross the finish line. 389 00:31:09,544.5215056 --> 00:31:11,164.5215056 I think it was her first marathon. 390 00:31:11,464.5215056 --> 00:31:19,64.5215056 And that does something to you, that hey, if we didn't have this race, she might've found another race, but it wouldn't have happened at, buzz Sawyer. 391 00:31:19,64.5215056 --> 00:31:24,974.5215056 So to see her joy and ecstatic as you crossed the finish line is just it's something special. 392 00:31:25,24.5215056 --> 00:31:27,944.5215056 And then from the marathon as well, I got a shout out. 393 00:31:27,994.5215056 --> 00:31:35,664.5215056 Our boy Samir, who ran a 2 51, oh nine and ended up winning the race. 394 00:31:35,714.5215056 --> 00:31:41,724.5215056 He passed the leader at I think mile 19, 19 and a half, and then just kicked it into high gear. 395 00:31:41,824.5215056 --> 00:31:44,394.5215056 And Chris and I were talking the other day about how. 396 00:31:45,139.5215056 --> 00:31:57,319.5215056 It's crazy that we met him 11 months ago, the Thursday after JFK 50, which was his first race, and now he's running a 2 51 marathon. 397 00:31:57,599.5215056 --> 00:32:02,364.5215056 Just seemingly loving life and just improving so much. 398 00:32:02,369.5215056 --> 00:32:04,444.5215056 And it's been incredible to watch his journey. 399 00:32:04,494.5215056 --> 00:32:06,624.5215056 And yeah, those, the fist pump when he yeah. 400 00:32:08,34.5215056 --> 00:32:08,334.5215056 Yep. 401 00:32:08,544.5215056 --> 00:32:08,904.5215056 Yep. 402 00:32:09,94.5215056 --> 00:32:13,554.5215056 And and from the race there were countless prs, there were countless BQs. 403 00:32:13,554.5215056 --> 00:32:18,854.5215056 And even if somebody didn't have the best race, they were, for the most part coming across smiling. 404 00:32:18,904.5215056 --> 00:32:30,134.5215056 And when we compiled the results, we had a ton of people that had great races and we had the same amount that they ran positive splits, like I'm talking. 405 00:32:30,734.5215056 --> 00:32:36,14.5215056 An hour and 35 minutes for the first half, and two and a half hours for the second half. 406 00:32:36,14.5215056 --> 00:32:40,4.5215056 But on race day, you wouldn't have known that everyone was smiling, happy. 407 00:32:40,4.5215056 --> 00:32:41,954.5215056 And that's, that's what kind of makes it all worth it. 408 00:32:43,814.5215056 --> 00:32:44,444.5215056 Yeah, absolutely. 409 00:32:44,444.5215056 --> 00:32:45,14.5215056 That's awesome. 410 00:32:46,94.5215056 --> 00:32:46,394.5215056 Yeah. 411 00:32:46,474.5215056 --> 00:32:48,94.5215056 Yeah, it's, it, I'm looking forward. 412 00:32:48,94.5215056 --> 00:32:51,64.5215056 We have one more race coming up this year. 413 00:32:51,94.5215056 --> 00:32:52,114.5215056 Fire on the mountain. 414 00:32:52,534.5215056 --> 00:32:53,74.5215056 50 K. 415 00:32:53,134.5215056 --> 00:32:56,594.5215056 20 5K in about a week and a half. 416 00:32:57,254.5215056 --> 00:33:09,564.5215056 And then we are full 2026 planning mode to improve our races and help 'em grow and get runners the best experiences possible. 417 00:33:09,604.5215056 --> 00:33:10,714.5215056 Definitely looking forward to that. 418 00:33:11,994.5215056 --> 00:33:12,484.5215056 Awesome. 419 00:33:12,884.5215056 --> 00:33:20,799.5215056 Hey Adam, do you want to talk a little bit about for future episodes what our new listeners could, can anticipate? Over the next couple of weeks Sure. 420 00:33:20,879.5215056 --> 00:33:29,189.5215056 So we we're gonna talk here in just a couple minutes about what all three of us have on the store for next weekend. 421 00:33:29,529.5215056 --> 00:33:34,419.5215056 And then we are going to plan on doing a JFK preview. 422 00:33:34,509.5215056 --> 00:33:34,629.5215056 I. 423 00:33:34,949.5215056 --> 00:33:38,139.5215056 Episode about the JFK 50 miler. 424 00:33:38,139.5215056 --> 00:33:40,939.5215056 That happens right here in our hometown. 425 00:33:40,939.5215056 --> 00:33:44,449.5215056 Starts in Boonsboro Maryland, ends in Williamsport, Maryland. 426 00:33:44,759.5215056 --> 00:33:45,689.5215056 We'll be talking about that. 427 00:33:45,689.5215056 --> 00:33:49,529.5215056 All three of us have run the race, and Katie and I are. 428 00:33:50,49.5215056 --> 00:33:55,899.5215056 A part of the amazing race staff, so our race team. 429 00:33:56,109.5215056 --> 00:34:02,949.5215056 So we we're part of the planning process as well, so we have some inside information for you there. 430 00:34:03,439.5215056 --> 00:34:04,939.5215056 Let's see, what else, Chris, help me out. 431 00:34:04,939.5215056 --> 00:34:08,239.5215056 What else do we got on tap? We're gonna talk about some mental strength. 432 00:34:08,759.5215056 --> 00:34:09,999.5215056 What else? Yeah. 433 00:34:09,999.5215056 --> 00:34:18,569.5215056 And then I think, as we get into the, to the holiday season, maybe we will talk a little bit about winter running and preparing for spring races. 434 00:34:19,564.5215056 --> 00:34:19,724.5215056 Yeah. 435 00:34:19,724.5215056 --> 00:34:24,284.5215056 And then Chris and I have a a very exciting challenge coming up in January. 436 00:34:24,394.5215056 --> 00:34:24,514.5215056 yeah. 437 00:34:24,909.5215056 --> 00:34:27,339.5215056 Where we'll see how that plays out. 438 00:34:27,339.5215056 --> 00:34:29,949.5215056 But we're gonna, we're gonna talk a little bit more about that. 439 00:34:29,949.5215056 --> 00:34:34,619.5215056 We're a a team in a distance challenge, so we'll get into that. 440 00:34:34,719.5215056 --> 00:34:44,59.5215056 And yeah, we just, just normal what two guys would talk about on a run on the CNO Canal at five in the morning. 441 00:34:44,59.5215056 --> 00:34:46,39.5215056 So it, it should be pretty good. 442 00:34:46,164.5215056 --> 00:34:52,274.5215056 Let's before we end this episode let's talk about what we have coming up next weekend. 443 00:34:52,634.5215056 --> 00:34:57,554.5215056 So next weekend we have the 50th Annual Marine Corps Marathon. 444 00:34:57,554.5215056 --> 00:35:03,964.5215056 All three of us are gonna be running, all three of us have different goals and aspirations going in. 445 00:35:03,964.5215056 --> 00:35:05,14.5215056 I'll let you start. 446 00:35:05,14.5215056 --> 00:35:12,209.5215056 Katie, are you ready to start here? So you can share goals with us or you can keep 'em close to your heart. 447 00:35:12,519.5215056 --> 00:35:18,324.5215056 But what do you look forward to the most about Marine Corps weekend? I don't know. 448 00:35:18,462.0215056 --> 00:35:21,674.5215056 Should I start it with Chris? yeah I can go. 449 00:35:23,459.5215056 --> 00:35:28,229.5215056 I have never run Marine Corps, so I have idea what to expect. 450 00:35:28,289.5215056 --> 00:35:33,869.5215056 And when I say that to anyone else, what they pretty much tell me is, oh, it's crowded. 451 00:35:35,819.5215056 --> 00:35:36,689.5215056 that's what I know. 452 00:35:36,809.5215056 --> 00:35:38,159.5215056 I know it's gonna be crowded. 453 00:35:38,459.5215056 --> 00:35:42,179.5215056 Otherwise I've heard just very little about the course. 454 00:35:42,569.5215056 --> 00:35:43,289.5215056 I know what. 455 00:35:43,679.5215056 --> 00:35:54,779.5215056 Like fuel and hydration is on the course, but other than that, I don't really know what to expect other than a full marathon, which I have done five full marathons. 456 00:35:54,779.5215056 --> 00:35:56,99.5215056 So this will be a number six. 457 00:35:56,339.5215056 --> 00:36:01,509.5215056 I've always had this fomo I don't know if you still call it that when I actually do miss out, but. 458 00:36:01,534.5215056 --> 00:36:08,344.5215056 When all these friends and running acquaintances are running Marine Corps and posting the picture, they're amazing medals. 459 00:36:08,344.5215056 --> 00:36:10,594.5215056 I'm always like, oh, I wanna do that one day. 460 00:36:10,834.5215056 --> 00:36:13,144.5215056 So I'm pretty excited just to get to experience it. 461 00:36:13,474.5215056 --> 00:36:19,364.5215056 I've heard really great things and I've heard, some people don't love the crowds, that's a preference thing. 462 00:36:19,574.5215056 --> 00:36:20,954.5215056 So I'm really excited about that. 463 00:36:21,234.5215056 --> 00:36:25,464.5215056 As far as goals go, there's no reason not to share because. 464 00:36:26,159.5215056 --> 00:36:27,239.5215056 I'm not gonna jinx myself. 465 00:36:27,239.5215056 --> 00:36:28,319.5215056 I don't really believe in that. 466 00:36:28,319.5215056 --> 00:36:34,79.5215056 I'm going and prepared, and I have prd. 467 00:36:34,129.5215056 --> 00:36:35,749.5215056 I guess I, I'll put this out there. 468 00:36:36,499.5215056 --> 00:36:41,929.5215056 Since the beginning of 2025, I have prd, my beer mile at nine flat. 469 00:36:42,679.5215056 --> 00:36:44,989.5215056 I have prd. 470 00:36:46,279.5215056 --> 00:36:47,899.5215056 What was next, the 5K. 471 00:36:48,799.5215056 --> 00:36:50,389.5215056 Then I prd a second, 5K. 472 00:36:51,109.5215056 --> 00:36:54,349.5215056 the next day after that one I prd my five mile. 473 00:36:55,69.5215056 --> 00:37:07,519.5215056 Then I missed my PR in my half at lock to lock, but got my PR in the 10 K just so I could PR in the half marathon right after. 474 00:37:08,419.5215056 --> 00:37:14,269.5215056 also the Ricks run because I ran the 35 miles faster than I had before. 475 00:37:14,619.5215056 --> 00:37:16,179.5215056 But that one doesn't count. 476 00:37:16,179.5215056 --> 00:37:25,389.5215056 But, so I went in order, I went beer mile, 5K, 5K, 10 k, half marathon, and, I missed the five mile in there, but it was in order. 477 00:37:25,449.5215056 --> 00:37:33,999.5215056 So it was like, meant to be that, that half the first half I tried, didn't get it 'cause I had to get that 10 k next, then the half marathon. 478 00:37:35,319.5215056 --> 00:37:38,889.5215056 So I guess I gotta try to PR Marine Corps. 479 00:37:39,339.5215056 --> 00:37:45,219.5215056 Honestly, my goal has really been set in my mind at four hours to try to break four hours. 480 00:37:45,579.5215056 --> 00:37:48,909.5215056 I have done that once, so my PRS 3 58. 481 00:37:49,839.5215056 --> 00:37:54,579.5215056 try to PR or why try to break four and not go for the pr? That just seems silly. 482 00:37:54,579.5215056 --> 00:38:01,929.5215056 So what I plan to do is try to do what I did at Buzz Sawyer, except with Marathon Pace. 483 00:38:02,259.5215056 --> 00:38:13,89.5215056 I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna check my watch 50 to 60 times in the first mile and make sure I'm not running under eight for my first mile, because I get. 484 00:38:13,659.5215056 --> 00:38:21,129.5215056 So hyped up, just stick to my paces, try to run a consistent race, and I've never done that in a marathon. 485 00:38:21,129.5215056 --> 00:38:23,949.5215056 I've always gone out too fast and burn out at the end. 486 00:38:24,249.5215056 --> 00:38:29,60.5215056 So I'm gonna try something new and stick to my paces and I'm gonna try to break 3 58. 487 00:38:29,310.5215056 --> 00:38:30,730.5215056 I Call it right now. 488 00:38:31,420.5215056 --> 00:38:32,500.5215056 Oh, go ahead Chris. 489 00:38:32,745.5215056 --> 00:38:55,595.5215056 Oh, I was just gonna say I for people who haven't run one of the big races where it's tens of thousands of people at the start I always caution them that the first mile and sometimes the first three, four miles can be really challenging because depending on how you line up and people line up around you, you could spend a lot of time just weaving in and out of folks trying to find your rhythm. 490 00:38:56,645.5215056 --> 00:38:58,85.5215056 yet you have to just. 491 00:38:58,445.5215056 --> 00:39:02,45.5215056 Realize that you'll get through that and not get frustrated. 492 00:39:02,75.5215056 --> 00:39:07,145.5215056 'cause it, it's very easy to do, especially if you're constantly zigzagging back and forth. 493 00:39:07,195.5215056 --> 00:39:12,935.5215056 I could see that happening, but I just, to me because it does get frustrating when it's crowded at the start. 494 00:39:12,945.5215056 --> 00:39:22,88.0215056 But I'm hoping I'm gonna keep telling myself about patience because I, I did tell myself during the half marathon I. 495 00:39:22,95.5215056 --> 00:39:25,5.5215056 Buzz Sawyer, you can't run all 13 miles in the first mile. 496 00:39:25,275.5215056 --> 00:39:28,905.5215056 So be patient, hit your splits. 497 00:39:29,315.5215056 --> 00:39:39,655.5215056 I do know that with a super crowded race, if it's, if the first couple miles are slower than what I would imagine then hopefully that's just leaving some gas in the tank for later. 498 00:39:39,655.5215056 --> 00:39:43,985.5215056 But there's a lot of miles to knock off a, a few seconds here, a few seconds there. 499 00:39:44,285.5215056 --> 00:39:44,615.5215056 If. 500 00:39:46,205.5215056 --> 00:39:50,410.5215056 Is tough, which I imagine it's gonna be, I'm pretty good at this. 501 00:39:50,470.5215056 --> 00:39:54,320.5215056 I don't want to toot my own horn or anything, but I'm gonna go ahead and call a three 50. 502 00:39:54,320.5215056 --> 00:39:55,460.5215056 Six fifty three. 503 00:39:55,460.5215056 --> 00:39:55,850.5215056 Okay. 504 00:39:56,270.5215056 --> 00:39:59,430.5215056 So you can put that down on paper in pen. 505 00:39:59,885.5215056 --> 00:40:00,185.5215056 All right. 506 00:40:01,95.5215056 --> 00:40:01,585.5215056 Perfect. 507 00:40:01,595.5215056 --> 00:40:02,545.5215056 3 56. 508 00:40:02,545.5215056 --> 00:40:03,65.5215056 53. 509 00:40:03,135.5215056 --> 00:40:03,425.5215056 Okay. 510 00:40:05,235.5215056 --> 00:40:14,850.5215056 Chris, how about you? What do you got? What do you got planned for Sunday? Not Saturday, but Sunday at the 50th Marine Corps. 511 00:40:15,715.5215056 --> 00:40:20,725.5215056 Marine Corps, this will be my 10th marathon and Marine Corps is special for me. 512 00:40:20,805.5215056 --> 00:40:26,815.5215056 15 years ago I ran the Marine Corps for the first time and that was where I got my pr. 513 00:40:26,865.5215056 --> 00:40:28,795.5215056 So my PR is three 11. 514 00:40:29,575.5215056 --> 00:40:40,145.5215056 Don't know if that is a realistic for me 15 years later to still but I think I've got a pretty good shot this time. 515 00:40:40,195.5215056 --> 00:40:43,485.5215056 I hope so because I, I, for all right. 516 00:40:43,935.5215056 --> 00:40:44,565.5215056 Dialed in. 517 00:40:45,155.5215056 --> 00:40:55,295.5215056 One of the things I'm gonna try to do, this year is that three 10 PACE group and try to stick with them for the first at least 20 miles. 518 00:40:55,725.5215056 --> 00:41:07,135.5215056 And see how I feel have a tendency in my marathons to go out a little too fast and then suffer in the 16 to 18 mile area. 519 00:41:07,135.5215056 --> 00:41:08,935.5215056 So I'm gonna try to avoid that. 520 00:41:09,265.5215056 --> 00:41:15,915.5215056 Stick with the plan hope that I can hang on at the end for that climb up through Arlington. 521 00:41:15,965.5215056 --> 00:41:16,325.5215056 Yep. 522 00:41:16,375.5215056 --> 00:41:17,155.5215056 That, that's the goal. 523 00:41:18,650.5215056 --> 00:41:19,490.5215056 Sounds good. 524 00:41:19,490.5215056 --> 00:41:25,400.5215056 I, yeah, I can't wait to see both of you guys crush your goals and pr That'll be a lot of fun. 525 00:41:25,400.5215056 --> 00:41:28,220.5215056 Either way, when there, there's nothing better. 526 00:41:28,220.5215056 --> 00:41:29,585.5215056 So I'll jump in a little bit about. 527 00:41:30,395.5215056 --> 00:41:31,835.5215056 My history with Marine Corps. 528 00:41:31,885.5215056 --> 00:41:33,355.5215056 So I ran Marine Corps. 529 00:41:33,415.5215056 --> 00:41:35,965.5215056 My first one was also 15 years ago. 530 00:41:36,235.5215056 --> 00:41:40,735.5215056 I finished just behind Chris, maybe like 47 minutes behind him. 531 00:41:41,75.5215056 --> 00:41:44,355.5215056 There there's two aspects to Marine Corps that really stick out. 532 00:41:44,525.5215056 --> 00:41:46,115.5215056 And that is the blue mile. 533 00:41:46,335.5215056 --> 00:41:52,185.5215056 When you run down there, I think it's like mile 11 or 12, where they have all the flags out of the soldiers who passed away. 534 00:41:52,495.5215056 --> 00:41:55,905.5215056 It's a very different mile than every other mile on the course. 535 00:41:55,905.5215056 --> 00:41:57,15.5215056 It's dead silent. 536 00:41:57,405.5215056 --> 00:42:01,65.5215056 If you don't tear up, there could be something wrong with you during that mile. 537 00:42:01,345.5215056 --> 00:42:02,605.5215056 If you start thinking about it. 538 00:42:02,935.5215056 --> 00:42:08,125.5215056 And then the next point that really hits out is when that marine places the medal around your neck and they shake your hand. 539 00:42:08,435.5215056 --> 00:42:12,5.5215056 So those are the two things I look forward to the most on race day. 540 00:42:12,375.5215056 --> 00:42:15,565.5215056 As far as the goal for me, sub three is the first goal. 541 00:42:15,875.5215056 --> 00:42:17,135.5215056 I want to get back and get that. 542 00:42:17,530.5215056 --> 00:42:20,560.5215056 Next Boston qualifier, so I could check that off the list. 543 00:42:20,560.5215056 --> 00:42:25,160.5215056 And then the goal going in was to go around 2 53, 2 54. 544 00:42:25,460.5215056 --> 00:42:28,800.5215056 And then, our boy Samir just laid down a 2 51. 545 00:42:28,800.5215056 --> 00:42:30,60.5215056 So now that's the new goal. 546 00:42:30,60.5215056 --> 00:42:32,685.5215056 2 51 0 7, just to get under him just to get. 547 00:42:33,375.5215056 --> 00:42:34,995.5215056 Back under his skin a little bit. 548 00:42:34,995.5215056 --> 00:42:37,485.5215056 Really? So if it happens. 549 00:42:37,485.5215056 --> 00:42:39,855.5215056 If not, then you know, it is what it is. 550 00:42:39,855.5215056 --> 00:42:43,955.5215056 But I could go out and do that and then fail miserably, but I'll be happy either way. 551 00:42:43,955.5215056 --> 00:42:45,965.5215056 Whatever happens on the day happens on the day. 552 00:42:45,965.5215056 --> 00:42:47,195.5215056 I'm just looking forward to it. 553 00:42:47,195.5215056 --> 00:42:50,345.5215056 I heard the weather's gonna be good, Katie, you check that a hundred times. 554 00:42:50,345.5215056 --> 00:42:51,335.5215056 We're ready to go. 555 00:42:51,755.5215056 --> 00:42:55,245.5215056 Looking like low forties to 60 I think is a high. 556 00:42:55,385.5215056 --> 00:42:57,460.5215056 So we'll be done before that. 557 00:42:58,908.0215056 --> 00:43:06,98.0215056 And I know the race is gonna be a little bit more crowded than it has been in the past, and there's some other logistics getting in there and moving around. 558 00:43:06,98.0215056 --> 00:43:12,908.0215056 But it doesn't get much better than Marine Corps weekend in DC and I'm looking forward to getting back there. 559 00:43:12,908.0215056 --> 00:43:19,268.0215056 I haven't run since 2019 with them, but this will be my 13th Marine Corps. 560 00:43:19,268.0215056 --> 00:43:29,148.0215056 So I'm looking forward to, getting back to some of those memories that I had before and seeing what's new about the race and what I remember from about six years ago. 561 00:43:29,418.0215056 --> 00:43:30,498.0215056 So it'll be a lot of fun. 562 00:43:30,673.0215056 --> 00:43:37,488.0215056 So I guess that sort of brings us to the end for today, or did you have anything else you wanted to chat about? No, I think that was it. 563 00:43:37,488.0215056 --> 00:43:44,8.0215056 I just wanted to recap the Buzz Sawyer races with you guys and then figure out what's going on next. 564 00:43:44,88.0215056 --> 00:43:46,908.0215056 I think we can you wrap it up. 565 00:43:47,500.5215056 --> 00:43:56,228.0215056 Marine Corps Up? Yeah we can do that next, we'll come together next week and kind of recap our Marine Corps races. 566 00:43:56,228.0215056 --> 00:44:02,398.0215056 I think that'll be, that what Chris and I would do on the run after Marine Corps. 567 00:44:02,458.0215056 --> 00:44:04,588.0215056 We would chat and talk about our races. 568 00:44:04,588.0215056 --> 00:44:09,278.0215056 So I'm looking forward to that conversation with you guys as well. 569 00:44:09,278.0215056 --> 00:44:09,938.0215056 For sure. 570 00:44:10,188.0215056 --> 00:44:10,748.0215056 All right you. 571 00:44:10,948.0215056 --> 00:44:12,118.0215056 I'm looking forward to it. 572 00:44:12,118.0215056 --> 00:44:18,598.0215056 So hopefully we'll be coming back and talking about three, three prs or three great finishes, so should be good. 573 00:44:19,723.0215056 --> 00:44:22,923.0215056 Yeah let's talk about two prs and then maybe one. 574 00:44:23,193.0215056 --> 00:44:29,163.0215056 I don't think I'm running a 2 44, so that might be out of the question a little bit. 575 00:44:29,163.0215056 --> 00:44:35,828.0215056 But yeah, so I'm definitely looking forward to some good memories from the race and some good conversations. 576 00:44:35,878.0215056 --> 00:44:37,258.0215056 As we go forward there. 577 00:44:38,165.5215056 --> 00:44:41,495.5215056 I think the biggest thing is to go out and ha and enjoy the day. 578 00:44:41,525.5215056 --> 00:44:48,425.5215056 Like I don't wanna set a goal so hard and have it be a pass or fail type of goal. 579 00:44:49,840.5215056 --> 00:45:08,660.5215056 To be honest with you, I'd love to pr but if it doesn't happen, I just, I wanna enjoy the day, enjoy the atmosphere, I think if we all come back and are talking about it after the race, I think as long as we gave it our all or we went for it and didn't get it, whatever it is, I think we can appreciate what the race had to give and what our effort have been. 580 00:45:08,910.5215056 --> 00:45:09,230.5215056 Absolutely. 581 00:45:09,480.5215056 --> 00:45:10,140.5215056 All right guys. 582 00:45:10,140.5215056 --> 00:45:13,375.5215055 That's all for today's episode of Tails on the Tow Path. 583 00:45:14,10.5215056 --> 00:45:18,840.5215055 Thanks for joining us on another rundown memory lane and along the c and o Canal. 584 00:45:19,140.5215056 --> 00:45:24,510.5215056 If you've enjoyed the show, please be sure to follow, share it with a friend, and leave us a review. 585 00:45:24,630.5215055 --> 00:45:28,650.5215055 Until next time, keep your pace steady and your stories flowing.