August 22, 2024 • 37 mins
Welcome to another captivating episode of "The Two Charlotte's Spill the Tea." Tonight, we delve into the enigmatic world of dreams. Are dreams simply a regurgitation of our subconscious, or do they hold prophetic visions and clues into our lives? We explore the concept of lucid dreaming and share personal experiences that blur the line between reality and the dream world.
Join us as we recount vivid dreams that have left lasting impressions, including a surreal split-screen dream involving ancient Rome and a poignant encounter with a dying bird. We discuss the potential meanings behind these dreams and the profound impact they can have on our waking lives.
We also introduce you to the fascinating book, "The Art of Dreaming" by Carlos Castaneda, which explores the ancient practice of using dreams for healing and spiritual growth. Discover how shamans of the Yaqui Indians utilise lucid dreaming to traverse different dimensions and heal individuals on a subconscious level.
This episode promises to open your mind to the limitless possibilities within the realm of dreams. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, we invite you to join the conversation and share your thoughts on this intriguing topic.
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Okay hi guys and
welcome to another episode of the two
shallots spill the tea thanks so much for tuning in
everybody and we are really excited to bring
you another episode we want to talk to you tonight about dreaming dreams what
are they what do you think they are are they just your subconscious like regurgitating
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your days into absolute nonsense where you sleep to try and make sense of it?
Or do you think that they're more like prophetic, giving you visions of the
future or hints and clues into your life?
Do you believe in lucid dreaming? And what are your viewpoints?
And maybe you've had some crazy dreams that have led you to believe a certain thing.
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So that's what we want to talk to you about tonight. Me personally, I am a dreamer.
I dream vividly. I dream in color and I dream all sorts of crazy stuff some
of the dreams that I've had have been I feel like real prophetic dreams and
I felt like they've been really deep and meaningful.
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And some of the dreams I've had have kind of shook me
and I still think about them to this day and I still try
and figure out what they might have meant other dreams I have
God knows if there's any other meaning to
them they can be pretty crazy recently I've been having really weird dreams
about juggling kittens on motorbikes at festivals and doing all kind of weird
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things so sometimes my dreams are just crazy but sometimes they're really deep
I remember having a dream probably.
Probably about 15 to 20 years
ago now and I'll never forget this dream
it was like I was dreaming in split screens so like
on it was like two view screens that I could see
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through one view screen there was
one situation playing out and in the other view screen there
was another situation playing out and both situations were playing
simultaneously so in one of
them I was sitting at a little round table in
a bar in a pub with my dad and we
were having a deep conversation there was you know people
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milling around it was like a little old country pub he had
a pint and I had my drink so we were deep in this conversation right and then
the other view screen I was back in kind of the the days of of Rome being like
a big civilization and I was dressed in I was a boy I was a young boy, about 13 or 14,
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and I was dressed in like a plain white kind of robe-y tunic thing.
And I was running for my life through this old street, like running down a hill.
And at the very same point in each dream, in the one where I was a boy in old
Roman times, a monk stepped in front of me in a brown robe, stepped in front
of me while I was running, stopped me, put his hand out, pointed at me.
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And in the other dream, at the exact same time, my dad
slammed his pint glass down on the table and they
both shouted at the exact same time death
is a doorway to new beginnings and I
woke up whoa and it was
really intense so I woke up and it was about four o'clock in the morning and
this is what weirded me out even more right is I went to my back door and I
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opened up my door and there was I don't know why I opened up my back door I
just probably thought I needed some air there was a little bird on my doorstep right.
And I bent down by it and I picked it up and it
just kind of like hopped up my arm a little bit and snuggled into
me and I was like oh my god and I thought maybe a
cat had been at it and it was you know upset or scared and I looked up my local
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vets and it said that they were open at nine in the morning so I just thought
you know I just sit with this little guy and keep him warm and and okay and
I'll take him into the vet and see if they can just check him over
and he was just sat on my arm and
I was just stroking him or whatever and he was all happy we seemed
all happy just you know it's just a bird and I took him
into the vets and they had a look at him and she
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said oh he looks fine and then she pulled his wings up which
I hadn't done right she pulled his wings open and half of his body
was missing literally half of
his body like he'd been attacked by something and she
looked at me and she went this bird shouldn't be alive and just as
she said that the bird died on the table and
I was like what the hell and then
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I had to go home then she was like I'm so sorry but obviously you
know he's he's dead you did what you could at least he wasn't on his own in
his last minutes and then I had to go home and think about why had I had this
dream where I had a death is a doorway to new beginnings shouted at me then
I found a bird on my doorstep that seemed fine when it was sat on my arms and as soon as I took
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it to the vets and she said, this bird should be dead. And it died immediately.
And I was just like, this has to mean something. Yeah.
Like this dream has to, and I never figured it out. I never understood what that dream meant.
So, and that's not the only time that I've, I've dreamt things of,
you know, and, and felt like there was something more to them.
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There's another story I'll tell you about in a little while from when I was
a very young girl and I had a reoccurring nightmare for about a year and I'll
explain in more detail about that but yeah so so dreams to me are interesting
really really interesting.
What do you think? Yeah, do you know, I think I'm on the same wavelength there.
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Like dreams are really interesting to me.
I was literally just saying to you before we started recording that I want to
start dream journaling because I can remember my dreams for the first like 20 minutes when I wake up.
If it's after that time, it
just becomes really foggy other than like
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maybe like little moments that happen that
I'm like that's all I can remember so I'd quite like to start dream
journaling because I do have some really
strange dreams like really strange
ones the most common dream I will have is
I will dream about somebody and then the next day I'll see them or they'll phone
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me and I'm like that was weird it is like I yeah have like a psychic speed dial
in my head that's like you need to ring me tomorrow I'm like hopping over to remind them that I exist,
but yeah that happens quite a lot actually where I'm like I'll be dreaming about
somebody and then I'll wake up in the morning I'll be like that's random I haven't
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spoken to them in ages and then.
They'll you know contact me or I'll like see them in the street and then I'm
like that's really weird like was that you know was that a thing like is that
a thing or is that just a coincidence because Because it happened quite a lot.
I'm like, is that a thing I can do?
My subconscious can like contact people?
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I don't know. That's weird. Maybe if you did write down your dreams,
there might be like a message in there for them.
Because that is like one thing that I definitely don't believe in is a coincidence.
I don't believe there's any such thing as coincidence. Like everything happens.
For a reason 100 and I
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don't think I don't think there is coincidences
just being oh it's just a fluke it's just a
coincidence I just literally just a coincidence I don't
think that's possible there has to be a reason for something
to happen so maybe if I start journaling yeah
maybe there's like a message for that person yeah need
to be telling them you know because my like
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my mother in-law dreams really vividly
but she's really really good like figuring
out her dreams and she gets messages quite a lot
through her dreams for people you know so maybe I'm able to do that as well
like maybe I'm able to you know write them down a bit more get a bit more clarity
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and I might be yeah looking for messages in my dreams yeah psychic messengers yeah psychic dream
messengers like I think it's really really interesting that kind of thing some
sometimes I try and work out my dreams
but it's not something that I'm particularly good at unless it's like.
Strikingly obvious yeah what it's about like I know my
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dreams recently through the summer have obviously been
about rescuing like kittens yeah and
we're always in some kind of like festival of all
type situation and I'm always trying
to save like kittens or puppies and kids and
then for some reason I'm always on a motorbike and I'm
juggling them literally juggling them because I'm trying to
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keep hold of them all and I'm like speeding down a motorway which turns into
like a big kind of weird water slide thing and I have to try and get into the
back of a lorry which is driving along before the baddies catch us and I just
know that's because for one.
Obviously my cats are a huge part of my life and I
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rescued one of my cats and now I've rescued a puppy
as well and I'm always like trying to
make sure the kids are all right and look after the kids so that's the
mothering like nurturing side of me trying to save
all the kids I keep talking about going to a festival with
the kids as well so I feel like maybe that's just
telling me they're not ready for a festival yet and the
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juggling like the physical juggling might be the
mental juggling that you're doing yeah it's your yeah trying
to keep all of them all and yeah the cats the
puppy you know running around looking after them all that's like a like the
mental juggling you do is yeah physical juggling that you're doing in your yeah
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your dream and then you know keeping them safe getting them into the back of
the lorry is the safe space yeah and that's the.
Material side coming out you know having
to protect things that you care about yeah and
that's a dream that I have not that the same exact
dream but a very similar theme that I have on and off like a
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few times over this summer so that's pretty easy
to decipher for me yeah like the
one the one with the the split screen roman times
and my dad and the the very like to me that
seems like a a really prophetic dream like it's it just
it was so I've never in my life had a dream in split
screen before I I haven't I
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do remember having dreams where I feel like there's
two things happening at once like I feel like I'm part of
two storylines at the same time you know
I kind of jumping from something happening to something
else yeah like maybe the whole
split screen thing the first thing that
comes to my head is could it be like a past
life dream yeah that's what i was thinking
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as well like is that a past life was that a past life of mine yeah because the
very possible like spirits and soul and the reincarnation and past life doesn't
necessarily mean you have to always be female every time so you could yeah as
your soul being in a boy's body yeah who maybe it.
Was a past life dream yeah and actually
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it's funny you should say that because I think I had a past life dream
before as well it was when I was
doing my Reiki one I had a dream that I was involved in this like Egyptian ritual
for a sun god right and I was a I was an Egyptian warrior and so the princess
was performing this ritual and there was 12 of us that had to stand around.
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Holding a certain like stone up in the sky at the right time while she was performing
like the chant and the ritual.
And then when the sun came up and it would hit the stones and it would, you know, this.
This whole ritual that we had to do right so it's like um like a
kind of magic spell ritual thing that we were performing but
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in order to be one of the warriors that took part in
this ritual you had to go through a series of tests to
prove that you were strong enough so this was
in my dream right so one of the tests I had to do
which I remember was going into like
a big thing of water and we had to swim through the water to find a safe space
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to come up and there was like crocodiles was in there and stuff and some of
the other warriors were you know swam up too quickly and got attacked by the
crocodiles but I realized if I swam all the way across the end there was like a,
where it came down there was a little gap and I could get up through there and
then I came out in the safe space so I passed this test and then I got to I
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got to take part in this ritual so.
Obviously I was a man in that as well because I was a warrior yeah
so I was telling my reiki you one master about this this
crazy dream that I'd had and they were like whoa wait wait hang
on a minute were you in a pyramid and you had to swim down through
a thing and I was like yeah that's right and then we were
in a ritual for this sun god and I had to hold this thing above
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my head and they were like hang on a minute have you ever read the
ancient secret of the flower of life by John Valen Malkovich
and I was like never even heard of that book so they
got this book out and show me right it's a book on sacred geometry by
this guy called john valen melkovich it's a
really good book definitely recommend there's two parts part one and part two
so i think it was in part one there was they look back over like the egyptians
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and how sacred geometry ancient geometry was used back then and about four pages
in there's this diagram of a pit in the pyramids.
With crocodiles in it.
And then a bit where you go down here and then here, if you swim all along the
bottom, there's a bit where you come up, right?
And it was a rite of passage that warriors had to go through in Egyptian times
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to prove that they were strong enough to take part in this ritual.
And it was written about in the hieroglyphs and it was, the picture was there
in this book. And I was like, oh my God, that is exactly what I dreamt.
So I then had to go through some past
life regression therapy and yeah
that's that's what we came to that I was a warrior in
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the Egyptian times and it was just it was
so bizarre to me I was like I literally dreamt about that
and now like and I honest hand on
heart I never had seen anything like that in my
life I've never heard I've never heard of that either like
I've never ever heard of that you know that's crazy
yeah yeah and then I and I I
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had literally had the most crazy dream about it and
then you know just randomly happened to tell
my Reiki master who randomly happened to know
like I could have told that to anyone that wouldn't have had
a clue that that was an actual thing and I would have
never known yeah apparently there's no coincidences that
you know there's that's not a coincidence that you dreamt that
and then told your Reiki master about it and they already knew
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about this book and you know ritual
that had taken or you know supposedly taken place in the egyptian times there's
no yeah it's not a coincidence that's like a synchronicity yeah like it it must
have it must have happened that must have been a past life of mine that is crazy
and that i dreamt about which was just absolutely crazy again.
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So I love the idea of past lives and
I definitely think that it would be really cool
to do an episode in the future about past lives
because I'm sure that the whole past lives things has
a lot to do with deja vu and the reason you get
deja vu and you're like oh I've lived this before is because you actually
have lived this before before yeah like I'm
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I'm sure that that has something to do
with it but I don't want to like digress off the topic but
past lives are really like interesting and I think really interesting
yeah the whole incarnation thing is
is amazing and would be
really good to get into yeah so going
back to dreams I wanted
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to bring this up because we were talking about this just before we jumped
on but I wanted to bring up a book another recommendation for
the book so if you're keeping notes that is two
recommendations so far so you've got the ancient secret of
the flower of life by john valo malkovich part one and part two really really
good this book that i want to talk to you about is called the art of dreaming
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and it's by a guy called carlos castaneda he's an anthropologist he wrote the book in 1993.
And he so he's an anthropologist over
in america and he's studying the effects of psychotropic
plants on the human psyche and part of
his study led him to
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a yaki indian sorcerer called donjuan
mateus between 1960 and
1970 ish he ended
up studying with this guy so he originally went to meet him thinking
you know obviously they use peyote
in their rituals are they all you know just a are they all just getting high
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and tripping out or is there anything to this because you know he needed to
know how it affects people's minds and he became so intrigued and caught up in what he.
Was learning he actually ended up giving up his
job for the university and studying
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to be a sorcerer with Don Juan and he wrote
a book each year he spent 10 years studying with this
guy and he wrote a book each year about everything
that he learned but then when he finished his study he wrote
this book The Art of Dreaming which was like a culmination of everything
that he learned over those 10 years and the book
is absolutely incredible it's it's
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kind of about lucid dreaming and his first year
of study he had one
task and that was to become aware of his hand in his
dream so when they talk about dreaming they
think that they call them the seven gates of dreaming so there's like seven
obstacles or things that you have to get through when you're learning about
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this to you know have the have the total awareness of yourself while you're
dreaming to be able to fully lucid dream.
So lucid dreaming is like.
It is the art of dreaming. It's becoming aware of yourself in a dream and being
able to control yourself in your dreamlike state.
So you can travel to places and do things while you're dreaming.
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So it's like achieving full lucidity in a dreamlike state. Yeah.
And it's really hard. So it took this guy a full year to become aware of his
hand in his dream of actively trying to
dream every night trying to dream of himself in his
bed and become aware of his hand in his dream so
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it's it's actually really hard because when
I first read this book I tried to do that and I realized that
this is actually really really hard so he spent
a year doing that and then he ended up going on to study and
he you know there's there's as I said the
seven gates of dreaming so the first gate of dreaming in
this book the first thing he had to learn was the stabilization of
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his dreaming body so that is arrived at
when you can perceive your own hand in a dream and
it's solved when you're able to shift the focus from the
hand to another dream object and return it
to the hand a few times so as you can imagine that's quite difficult to do so
that would be like knowing that you'd put a ball next to your bed becoming aware
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of your hand then being able to pick up the ball and put the ball down pick
up the ball and put the ball down so you're actively moving in your dreams.
Then he says you go on to the second gate of dreaming, which you reach when
your dream objects start changing into something else. So...
It says here, you won't understand it, but this says that when you have solved
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the second gate of dreaming, you're able to isolate a scout and follow it into
the realm of inorganic beings.
And this is where it gets really crazy because they believe that when you lucid
dream, you can go into different dimensions of the self, I suppose, of being.
And when they are healing other people, this is how they do it.
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So they go into a lucid dream
state they find a scout they follow it into the realm of
inorganic beings they go into like a person's
psyche and subconscious and they
find like say the
baddies yeah you know to put it simply they find the baddies in their subconscious
the bad inorganic beings and they remove them and clear them and send them out
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and it's really interesting because this is exactly how the sorcerers or the
shamans of the Yaqui Indians heal people.
And it's just, to me, when I read this book, it really blew my mind open because
I realized that there is so much in this world that I didn't have an understanding
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of, that I didn't know about,
that I wasn't paying attention to or being aware of.
And there's a whole different way of doing things to like
us as westerners you talk about
eastern ways of doing things like how they do things
differently or over in the far east they have a completely different
philosophy to us we are very much like stuck into our western ways of like go
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to the doctors take a tablet get better but in other parts of the world they
do things so so differently and they're so in tune with nature and to even be
able to understand that you could use a dream.
Use dreaming as a like they studied the art of dreaming these people and how to use,
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herbs in nature and you know different plants such
as peyote it's not the only one they use mescaline and
other things to be able to access this part
of your subconscious and to go into
someone else's subconscious and to be able to heal them on
a like on a subconscious level to be
able were to go what they would call the root of
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the problem and pull it out and clear
it completely and for this guy who was you know a revered anthropologist working
in I can't remember what university it was I think California but working on
a program for NASA you know he knows what he's talking about for him to realize
that there's this whole art of dreaming out there this whole way of being,
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which is so different to what we know.
And yet it works so very well.
And for him to change his entire life, uproot everything, and go and study this
and become one himself, just to me that speaks volumes.
You can't say, oh, he's just taking hallucinogenics and tripping out somewhere.
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The book is so worth reading, just
even for nothing else other than the fact that
understanding that that there's so much more out there
to what you think there is and like what we
see over here is just dreams is it this is it that they
actually use that as a way to heal
and bring harmony to people who are sick who have
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mental health problems who are physically sick who are ill in some way shape
or form and it works these these shamans people the yaki indians travel from
afar to go and see them when they're sick and they heal them so it it works
on some level and what a crazy thing to study.
And you know like be honest that blew
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my mind the fact that people studied dreaming
to learn how to use it to heal that's literally
that's what blew my mind when you were you know talking about
it before we started recording and it is definitely on my list
of books to get now because I need to read that because
the fact that it's like and obviously this goes
back you know thousands of years I must be
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you know cultures and communities
and stuff over in the eastern world have been using like holistic
medicines and this kind of stuff for thousands and
thousands of years but the fact that somebody actually
figured out this would work just makes
my head spin because the amount
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of times you wake up from a dream and I'm sure like anyone
that's listening it will be like sometimes I just
wake up from a dream and go what the fuck was that like
what was that and then you carry on with
your day like you even think about it for.
The rest of the day like and then but somebody
genuinely woke up from a dream one day and was like I
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reckon I could use that I reckon there's a way
that I can control myself in a dream and
then potentially control somebody else's dream
state if they're in the same kind of dream state as
I am I can then kind of jump in their
body like metaphorically obviously because you can't physically jump in there
but like on a spiritual level yeah you you know and find a disease fix them
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yeah it's crazy yeah like it it literally yeah.
Blew my mind I know I've said that and like you're saying
as well but it did when I first read that book I was like this is
such a new conception to
me such an alien conception as well
it's such a far out idea but it's
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something that these these people they're Native American Indians
they've been doing this like you said since the dawn
of time I mean we don't know how long they were there before Christopher
Columbus sailed over and found found America they
were already there yeah they have a rich heritage they've
been doing this for god knows how many hundreds
of yeah thousands of years I don't know a really long time and and it like I
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said it works this is this is what they do and they study like their entire
life to do this thing and it to me is magic to me it's literally magical because
it's so alien to me and I so much would love to go
and learn this myself but I just I don't have 10 years to dedicate to leave
my family and go and do it but I would I would love to go and you know have
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a healing like this just start to experience it and like experience it from
that side because like you said it is completely.
Alien like I like to think that I'm really open-minded and I am a very spiritual
person And I do understand, you know, and obviously like you do,
you understand the whole energy healing. You know that that works.
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You know that, you know, you can do the Reiki, you know that you can heal people with energy.
But this kind of thing is just the next level of...
Like non I don't even know how to describe
it like it's nothing like anything we have
over here you know it's it's so far out there that that's why I really urge
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everyone that's listening to to get the book and read it because it is it is
so far out of the realm of what we have you know how we have been brought up
how we have evolved in this part of the world and.
You know what we know it's so far out of that but
it's so interesting to know that
this is like imagine what they think when they
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look at what how we live and what we
do they must be like what are they doing
like putting all those chemicals in their bodies taking all those
taking all those like manufactured weird
toxic substances and when
they can just you know pop up to a shaman and
have him pop in your dreams and
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fix you yeah which to be fair
on like you know all jokes aside sounds wonderful you
go yeah it does like wake up healed that sounds
fantastic I'm not gonna it sounds absolutely amazing but
like yeah when I read the book I was literally I
was hooked like it took me a couple of pages to
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get into it and then once I realized what I
was getting into because the first couple of pages was just
like him explaining who he was and then
we kind of got into it and I was literally hooked I remember saying out loud
so many times like oh my god what the hell am I reading what is like yeah it's
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his way of being because it just it literally blew me wide open and it made
me realize how very little I know about.
Everything. I mean, they say that we only use like a tiny percentage of our brain.
And the subconscious of our brain, I think, is something that I'm learning more
and more over the years because,
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you know, obviously becoming more aware of your, you know, your thought patterns
and that kind of thing is something that obviously both of us are very much aware of.
But I think the subconscious is something that we probably don't tap into as much.
You know, know we're very aware of our awake state our
how we feel when we're awake what we're putting energy into
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what we're not what we're allowing what we're not but
I go to sleep at night and I just go
to sleep at night I don't put any thought
into you know what's going
to happen in my subconscious and sometimes like you'll have
those like anxiety dreams where you'll wake up
from a dream and you'll light be like yep I'm feeling anxious that was
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obvious it's glaringly obvious what that dream
was about or you know if you're
you're dreaming romantically about somebody it's because
you know you know there's feelings there or you
dream about someone you've lost you know that it's like a grief thing
like those are really obvious but sometimes you're
just like it's just a dream but maybe we need
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to tap into the subconscious as much as we look
at our consciousness and our awake state maybe
that needs to be something that's tapped into more and obviously
people do because you know there's there's this kind
of stuff going on so but when I say we I
kind of mean me and you yeah we we
need to us people are over here other people
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are doing it you just literally hit the nail on the head with what you said
like our subconscious minds I just I feel that there is so much potential that
we haven't tapped into that we're not like if these people can do this stuff.
Like when you read the book you'll be like wow yeah okay we need to figure this out because.
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Obviously if these people can do the things that they do then we're
we're not reaching our full potential by we're
not using our brains properly like we're not no we're
not we're not doing it to like rewire how we're working
our bodies and our brains because we have the
potential to do so much more yeah like
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massive it's like we've barely scratched the surface
and it does make me wonder like I understand that
obviously you know different parts of the world do things differently because that's
how we have grown and evolved over
time but it does make me wonder why now in 2024 and I think I'm about to go
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really off topic so I'm going to pull myself back I promise but why now do we
not think about these things like why has our medicine not looking at.
These side, like looking at these different things, like, because a lot of them,
and I know people will probably jump on and say, oh, well, it's because it's
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just, you know, mumbo jumbo, it's just herbs and spices.
It doesn't actually work. It's all placebo, yada, yada, yada.
But a lot of these things have actual like grounds.
A lot of these medicinal herbs and, you know,
like topical ointments you can create and using like
natural products and more spirituality and
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holistic approach to stuff does actually have grounds you
know there is a lot of people that
have got actual solid proof that
it's worked so it makes me wonder why we don't look
at those kind of things and then I could go down a bit of a conspiracy theory
black hole and say is there a reason why they don't want us to know because
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then we might into a part of our brain that they don't want us to be able to
get into but that's just like a whole different wormhole and maybe Maybe we
should tap into that another time.
We should tap into that another time. I'm going to write that down too.
But I've got a lot to say about that wormhole, that's for sure.
But yeah, and like big pharma make big money from, you know,
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selling drugs basically.
Yeah. They do. And this is a totally different way.
And I mean, when you look at it now, people are definitely getting more.
Like I remember when I first learned Reiki, No one knew what Reiki was.
And literally no one knew what it was and no one
wanted to have a reiki healing they all like hippie mumbo
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jumbo blah blah blah no one no one cared but
now I see it so much more now
like so many more people are looking into crystal
healing reiki healing and it's more mainstream now like
you know it used
to be like you know because I remember and I
don't know I don't know if you you remember but like when I was younger there used
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to be those like phone book things that
you would get like not the yellow pages you'd have the big yellow
pages but you'd have like the little one like yeah
yeah phone book something like the British Telecom
is that what you just said yeah like something like little blue
ones and you'd yeah right at the very back you'd have
like the mystic meg yeah and like
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you'd have all of that kind of stuff but it would be right at
the the very back and it'd be the smallest little thing ever yeah but
now you search for any kind
of healing online and you're going
to get crystal healing reiki sound therapy like
all of this kind of stuff is so much more
mainstream now than it was
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when I was younger it was all like you
know hippie mumbo jumbo and people just trying to con you
that's like everyone's like oh it's just crap like
it doesn't mean anything it's you know I remember explaining
to my mom about like when I did.
My Reiki masters and like the
kind of spiritual awakening that I went through and she was
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like I think that you were spiked are you sure
you're okay are you on drugs and I was like mom like
no I'm trying to explain to you about like a spiritual awakening that I had
and you just think that I've been spiked yeah or you've joined a cult or something
oh yeah I got asked that as well yeah yeah yeah literally yeah but yeah it's
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definitely not looked that you know like that anymore.
So yeah do you know what this has actually been a really interesting
topic and I feel like it's like kind of opened my
eyes quite a lot to this whole you
know art of dreaming and not you
know know I don't think I really fully understood it all until we kind of unpacked
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a little bit today so that's actually been a really good conversation I've thoroughly
enjoyed it I'm hoping that you know all of you guys have as well and we'd be
really really be interested in what you think,
about what we've spoken about about dreams what you think they are but also
you know have you just listened to you know what Charlotte was saying about
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the art of dreaming and these you you know,
different ways that people are using dreaming and thought, well, that's really cool.
Or if you just thought that's a whole load of nonsense, you know, be really.
Interesting to see what you guys think like you know because some
people might listen and be like no you're just
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crazy people so yeah be
really interested to see what you guys think and yeah
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Okay hi guys and
welcome to another episode of the two
shallots spill the tea thanks so much for tuning in
everybody and we are really excited to bring
you another episode we want to talk to you tonight about dreaming dreams what
are they what do you think they are are they just your subconscious like regurgitating
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your days into absolute nonsense where you sleep to try and make sense of it?
Or do you think that they're more like prophetic, giving you visions of the
future or hints and clues into your life?
Do you believe in lucid dreaming? And what are your viewpoints?
And maybe you've had some crazy dreams that have led you to believe a certain thing.
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So that's what we want to talk to you about tonight. Me personally, I am a dreamer.
I dream vividly. I dream in color and I dream all sorts of crazy stuff some
of the dreams that I've had have been I feel like real prophetic dreams and
I felt like they've been really deep and meaningful.
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And some of the dreams I've had have kind of shook me
and I still think about them to this day and I still try
and figure out what they might have meant other dreams I have
God knows if there's any other meaning to
them they can be pretty crazy recently I've been having really weird dreams
about juggling kittens on motorbikes at festivals and doing all kind of weird
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things so sometimes my dreams are just crazy but sometimes they're really deep
I remember having a dream probably.
Probably about 15 to 20 years
ago now and I'll never forget this dream
it was like I was dreaming in split screens so like
on it was like two view screens that I could see
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through one view screen there was
one situation playing out and in the other view screen there
was another situation playing out and both situations were playing
simultaneously so in one of
them I was sitting at a little round table in
a bar in a pub with my dad and we
were having a deep conversation there was you know people
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milling around it was like a little old country pub he had
a pint and I had my drink so we were deep in this conversation right and then
the other view screen I was back in kind of the the days of of Rome being like
a big civilization and I was dressed in I was a boy I was a young boy, about 13 or 14,
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and I was dressed in like a plain white kind of robe-y tunic thing.
And I was running for my life through this old street, like running down a hill.
And at the very same point in each dream, in the one where I was a boy in old
Roman times, a monk stepped in front of me in a brown robe, stepped in front
of me while I was running, stopped me, put his hand out, pointed at me.
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And in the other dream, at the exact same time, my dad
slammed his pint glass down on the table and they
both shouted at the exact same time death
is a doorway to new beginnings and I
woke up whoa and it was
really intense so I woke up and it was about four o'clock in the morning and
this is what weirded me out even more right is I went to my back door and I
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opened up my door and there was I don't know why I opened up my back door I
just probably thought I needed some air there was a little bird on my doorstep right.
And I bent down by it and I picked it up and it
just kind of like hopped up my arm a little bit and snuggled into
me and I was like oh my god and I thought maybe a
cat had been at it and it was you know upset or scared and I looked up my local
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vets and it said that they were open at nine in the morning so I just thought
you know I just sit with this little guy and keep him warm and and okay and
I'll take him into the vet and see if they can just check him over
and he was just sat on my arm and
I was just stroking him or whatever and he was all happy we seemed
all happy just you know it's just a bird and I took him
into the vets and they had a look at him and she
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said oh he looks fine and then she pulled his wings up which
I hadn't done right she pulled his wings open and half of his body
was missing literally half of
his body like he'd been attacked by something and she
looked at me and she went this bird shouldn't be alive and just as
she said that the bird died on the table and
I was like what the hell and then
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I had to go home then she was like I'm so sorry but obviously you
know he's he's dead you did what you could at least he wasn't on his own in
his last minutes and then I had to go home and think about why had I had this
dream where I had a death is a doorway to new beginnings shouted at me then
I found a bird on my doorstep that seemed fine when it was sat on my arms and as soon as I took
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it to the vets and she said, this bird should be dead. And it died immediately.
And I was just like, this has to mean something. Yeah.
Like this dream has to, and I never figured it out. I never understood what that dream meant.
So, and that's not the only time that I've, I've dreamt things of,
you know, and, and felt like there was something more to them.
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There's another story I'll tell you about in a little while from when I was
a very young girl and I had a reoccurring nightmare for about a year and I'll
explain in more detail about that but yeah so so dreams to me are interesting
really really interesting.
What do you think? Yeah, do you know, I think I'm on the same wavelength there.
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Like dreams are really interesting to me.
I was literally just saying to you before we started recording that I want to
start dream journaling because I can remember my dreams for the first like 20 minutes when I wake up.
If it's after that time, it
just becomes really foggy other than like
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maybe like little moments that happen that
I'm like that's all I can remember so I'd quite like to start dream
journaling because I do have some really
strange dreams like really strange
ones the most common dream I will have is
I will dream about somebody and then the next day I'll see them or they'll phone
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me and I'm like that was weird it is like I yeah have like a psychic speed dial
in my head that's like you need to ring me tomorrow I'm like hopping over to remind them that I exist,
but yeah that happens quite a lot actually where I'm like I'll be dreaming about
somebody and then I'll wake up in the morning I'll be like that's random I haven't
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spoken to them in ages and then.
They'll you know contact me or I'll like see them in the street and then I'm
like that's really weird like was that you know was that a thing like is that
a thing or is that just a coincidence because Because it happened quite a lot.
I'm like, is that a thing I can do?
My subconscious can like contact people?
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I don't know. That's weird. Maybe if you did write down your dreams,
there might be like a message in there for them.
Because that is like one thing that I definitely don't believe in is a coincidence.
I don't believe there's any such thing as coincidence. Like everything happens.
For a reason 100 and I
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don't think I don't think there is coincidences
just being oh it's just a fluke it's just a
coincidence I just literally just a coincidence I don't
think that's possible there has to be a reason for something
to happen so maybe if I start journaling yeah
maybe there's like a message for that person yeah need
to be telling them you know because my like
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my mother in-law dreams really vividly
but she's really really good like figuring
out her dreams and she gets messages quite a lot
through her dreams for people you know so maybe I'm able to do that as well
like maybe I'm able to you know write them down a bit more get a bit more clarity
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and I might be yeah looking for messages in my dreams yeah psychic messengers yeah psychic dream
messengers like I think it's really really interesting that kind of thing some
sometimes I try and work out my dreams
but it's not something that I'm particularly good at unless it's like.
Strikingly obvious yeah what it's about like I know my
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dreams recently through the summer have obviously been
about rescuing like kittens yeah and
we're always in some kind of like festival of all
type situation and I'm always trying
to save like kittens or puppies and kids and
then for some reason I'm always on a motorbike and I'm
juggling them literally juggling them because I'm trying to
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keep hold of them all and I'm like speeding down a motorway which turns into
like a big kind of weird water slide thing and I have to try and get into the
back of a lorry which is driving along before the baddies catch us and I just
know that's because for one.
Obviously my cats are a huge part of my life and I
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rescued one of my cats and now I've rescued a puppy
as well and I'm always like trying to
make sure the kids are all right and look after the kids so that's the
mothering like nurturing side of me trying to save
all the kids I keep talking about going to a festival with
the kids as well so I feel like maybe that's just
telling me they're not ready for a festival yet and the
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juggling like the physical juggling might be the
mental juggling that you're doing yeah it's your yeah trying
to keep all of them all and yeah the cats the
puppy you know running around looking after them all that's like a like the
mental juggling you do is yeah physical juggling that you're doing in your yeah
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your dream and then you know keeping them safe getting them into the back of
the lorry is the safe space yeah and that's the.
Material side coming out you know having
to protect things that you care about yeah and
that's a dream that I have not that the same exact
dream but a very similar theme that I have on and off like a
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few times over this summer so that's pretty easy
to decipher for me yeah like the
one the one with the the split screen roman times
and my dad and the the very like to me that
seems like a a really prophetic dream like it's it just
it was so I've never in my life had a dream in split
screen before I I haven't I
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do remember having dreams where I feel like there's
two things happening at once like I feel like I'm part of
two storylines at the same time you know
I kind of jumping from something happening to something
else yeah like maybe the whole
split screen thing the first thing that
comes to my head is could it be like a past
life dream yeah that's what i was thinking
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as well like is that a past life was that a past life of mine yeah because the
very possible like spirits and soul and the reincarnation and past life doesn't
necessarily mean you have to always be female every time so you could yeah as
your soul being in a boy's body yeah who maybe it.
Was a past life dream yeah and actually
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it's funny you should say that because I think I had a past life dream
before as well it was when I was
doing my Reiki one I had a dream that I was involved in this like Egyptian ritual
for a sun god right and I was a I was an Egyptian warrior and so the princess
was performing this ritual and there was 12 of us that had to stand around.
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Holding a certain like stone up in the sky at the right time while she was performing
like the chant and the ritual.
And then when the sun came up and it would hit the stones and it would, you know, this.
This whole ritual that we had to do right so it's like um like a
kind of magic spell ritual thing that we were performing but
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in order to be one of the warriors that took part in
this ritual you had to go through a series of tests to
prove that you were strong enough so this was
in my dream right so one of the tests I had to do
which I remember was going into like
a big thing of water and we had to swim through the water to find a safe space
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to come up and there was like crocodiles was in there and stuff and some of
the other warriors were you know swam up too quickly and got attacked by the
crocodiles but I realized if I swam all the way across the end there was like a,
where it came down there was a little gap and I could get up through there and
then I came out in the safe space so I passed this test and then I got to I
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got to take part in this ritual so.
Obviously I was a man in that as well because I was a warrior yeah
so I was telling my reiki you one master about this this
crazy dream that I'd had and they were like whoa wait wait hang
on a minute were you in a pyramid and you had to swim down through
a thing and I was like yeah that's right and then we were
in a ritual for this sun god and I had to hold this thing above
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my head and they were like hang on a minute have you ever read the
ancient secret of the flower of life by John Valen Malkovich
and I was like never even heard of that book so they
got this book out and show me right it's a book on sacred geometry by
this guy called john valen melkovich it's a
really good book definitely recommend there's two parts part one and part two
so i think it was in part one there was they look back over like the egyptians
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and how sacred geometry ancient geometry was used back then and about four pages
in there's this diagram of a pit in the pyramids.
With crocodiles in it.
And then a bit where you go down here and then here, if you swim all along the
bottom, there's a bit where you come up, right?
And it was a rite of passage that warriors had to go through in Egyptian times
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to prove that they were strong enough to take part in this ritual.
And it was written about in the hieroglyphs and it was, the picture was there
in this book. And I was like, oh my God, that is exactly what I dreamt.
So I then had to go through some past
life regression therapy and yeah
that's that's what we came to that I was a warrior in
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the Egyptian times and it was just it was
so bizarre to me I was like I literally dreamt about that
and now like and I honest hand on
heart I never had seen anything like that in my
life I've never heard I've never heard of that either like
I've never ever heard of that you know that's crazy
yeah yeah and then I and I I
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had literally had the most crazy dream about it and
then you know just randomly happened to tell
my Reiki master who randomly happened to know
like I could have told that to anyone that wouldn't have had
a clue that that was an actual thing and I would have
never known yeah apparently there's no coincidences that
you know there's that's not a coincidence that you dreamt that
and then told your Reiki master about it and they already knew
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about this book and you know ritual
that had taken or you know supposedly taken place in the egyptian times there's
no yeah it's not a coincidence that's like a synchronicity yeah like it it must
have it must have happened that must have been a past life of mine that is crazy
and that i dreamt about which was just absolutely crazy again.
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So I love the idea of past lives and
I definitely think that it would be really cool
to do an episode in the future about past lives
because I'm sure that the whole past lives things has
a lot to do with deja vu and the reason you get
deja vu and you're like oh I've lived this before is because you actually
have lived this before before yeah like I'm
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I'm sure that that has something to do
with it but I don't want to like digress off the topic but
past lives are really like interesting and I think really interesting
yeah the whole incarnation thing is
is amazing and would be
really good to get into yeah so going
back to dreams I wanted
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to bring this up because we were talking about this just before we jumped
on but I wanted to bring up a book another recommendation for
the book so if you're keeping notes that is two
recommendations so far so you've got the ancient secret of
the flower of life by john valo malkovich part one and part two really really
good this book that i want to talk to you about is called the art of dreaming
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and it's by a guy called carlos castaneda he's an anthropologist he wrote the book in 1993.
And he so he's an anthropologist over
in america and he's studying the effects of psychotropic
plants on the human psyche and part of
his study led him to
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a yaki indian sorcerer called donjuan
mateus between 1960 and
1970 ish he ended
up studying with this guy so he originally went to meet him thinking
you know obviously they use peyote
in their rituals are they all you know just a are they all just getting high
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and tripping out or is there anything to this because you know he needed to
know how it affects people's minds and he became so intrigued and caught up in what he.
Was learning he actually ended up giving up his
job for the university and studying
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to be a sorcerer with Don Juan and he wrote
a book each year he spent 10 years studying with this
guy and he wrote a book each year about everything
that he learned but then when he finished his study he wrote
this book The Art of Dreaming which was like a culmination of everything
that he learned over those 10 years and the book
is absolutely incredible it's it's
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kind of about lucid dreaming and his first year
of study he had one
task and that was to become aware of his hand in his
dream so when they talk about dreaming they
think that they call them the seven gates of dreaming so there's like seven
obstacles or things that you have to get through when you're learning about
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this to you know have the have the total awareness of yourself while you're
dreaming to be able to fully lucid dream.
So lucid dreaming is like.
It is the art of dreaming. It's becoming aware of yourself in a dream and being
able to control yourself in your dreamlike state.
So you can travel to places and do things while you're dreaming.
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So it's like achieving full lucidity in a dreamlike state. Yeah.
And it's really hard. So it took this guy a full year to become aware of his
hand in his dream of actively trying to
dream every night trying to dream of himself in his
bed and become aware of his hand in his dream so
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it's it's actually really hard because when
I first read this book I tried to do that and I realized that
this is actually really really hard so he spent
a year doing that and then he ended up going on to study and
he you know there's there's as I said the
seven gates of dreaming so the first gate of dreaming in
this book the first thing he had to learn was the stabilization of
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his dreaming body so that is arrived at
when you can perceive your own hand in a dream and
it's solved when you're able to shift the focus from the
hand to another dream object and return it
to the hand a few times so as you can imagine that's quite difficult to do so
that would be like knowing that you'd put a ball next to your bed becoming aware
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of your hand then being able to pick up the ball and put the ball down pick
up the ball and put the ball down so you're actively moving in your dreams.
Then he says you go on to the second gate of dreaming, which you reach when
your dream objects start changing into something else. So...
It says here, you won't understand it, but this says that when you have solved
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the second gate of dreaming, you're able to isolate a scout and follow it into
the realm of inorganic beings.
And this is where it gets really crazy because they believe that when you lucid
dream, you can go into different dimensions of the self, I suppose, of being.
And when they are healing other people, this is how they do it.
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So they go into a lucid dream
state they find a scout they follow it into the realm of
inorganic beings they go into like a person's
psyche and subconscious and they
find like say the
baddies yeah you know to put it simply they find the baddies in their subconscious
the bad inorganic beings and they remove them and clear them and send them out
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and it's really interesting because this is exactly how the sorcerers or the
shamans of the Yaqui Indians heal people.
And it's just, to me, when I read this book, it really blew my mind open because
I realized that there is so much in this world that I didn't have an understanding
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of, that I didn't know about,
that I wasn't paying attention to or being aware of.
And there's a whole different way of doing things to like
us as westerners you talk about
eastern ways of doing things like how they do things
differently or over in the far east they have a completely different
philosophy to us we are very much like stuck into our western ways of like go
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to the doctors take a tablet get better but in other parts of the world they
do things so so differently and they're so in tune with nature and to even be
able to understand that you could use a dream.
Use dreaming as a like they studied the art of dreaming these people and how to use,
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herbs in nature and you know different plants such
as peyote it's not the only one they use mescaline and
other things to be able to access this part
of your subconscious and to go into
someone else's subconscious and to be able to heal them on
a like on a subconscious level to be
able were to go what they would call the root of
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the problem and pull it out and clear
it completely and for this guy who was you know a revered anthropologist working
in I can't remember what university it was I think California but working on
a program for NASA you know he knows what he's talking about for him to realize
that there's this whole art of dreaming out there this whole way of being,
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which is so different to what we know.
And yet it works so very well.
And for him to change his entire life, uproot everything, and go and study this
and become one himself, just to me that speaks volumes.
You can't say, oh, he's just taking hallucinogenics and tripping out somewhere.
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The book is so worth reading, just
even for nothing else other than the fact that
understanding that that there's so much more out there
to what you think there is and like what we
see over here is just dreams is it this is it that they
actually use that as a way to heal
and bring harmony to people who are sick who have
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mental health problems who are physically sick who are ill in some way shape
or form and it works these these shamans people the yaki indians travel from
afar to go and see them when they're sick and they heal them so it it works
on some level and what a crazy thing to study.
And you know like be honest that blew
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my mind the fact that people studied dreaming
to learn how to use it to heal that's literally
that's what blew my mind when you were you know talking about
it before we started recording and it is definitely on my list
of books to get now because I need to read that because
the fact that it's like and obviously this goes
back you know thousands of years I must be
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you know cultures and communities
and stuff over in the eastern world have been using like holistic
medicines and this kind of stuff for thousands and
thousands of years but the fact that somebody actually
figured out this would work just makes
my head spin because the amount
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of times you wake up from a dream and I'm sure like anyone
that's listening it will be like sometimes I just
wake up from a dream and go what the fuck was that like
what was that and then you carry on with
your day like you even think about it for.
The rest of the day like and then but somebody
genuinely woke up from a dream one day and was like I
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reckon I could use that I reckon there's a way
that I can control myself in a dream and
then potentially control somebody else's dream
state if they're in the same kind of dream state as
I am I can then kind of jump in their
body like metaphorically obviously because you can't physically jump in there
but like on a spiritual level yeah you you know and find a disease fix them
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yeah it's crazy yeah like it it literally yeah.
Blew my mind I know I've said that and like you're saying
as well but it did when I first read that book I was like this is
such a new conception to
me such an alien conception as well
it's such a far out idea but it's
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something that these these people they're Native American Indians
they've been doing this like you said since the dawn
of time I mean we don't know how long they were there before Christopher
Columbus sailed over and found found America they
were already there yeah they have a rich heritage they've
been doing this for god knows how many hundreds
of yeah thousands of years I don't know a really long time and and it like I
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said it works this is this is what they do and they study like their entire
life to do this thing and it to me is magic to me it's literally magical because
it's so alien to me and I so much would love to go
and learn this myself but I just I don't have 10 years to dedicate to leave
my family and go and do it but I would I would love to go and you know have
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a healing like this just start to experience it and like experience it from
that side because like you said it is completely.
Alien like I like to think that I'm really open-minded and I am a very spiritual
person And I do understand, you know, and obviously like you do,
you understand the whole energy healing. You know that that works.
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You know that, you know, you can do the Reiki, you know that you can heal people with energy.
But this kind of thing is just the next level of...
Like non I don't even know how to describe
it like it's nothing like anything we have
over here you know it's it's so far out there that that's why I really urge
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everyone that's listening to to get the book and read it because it is it is
so far out of the realm of what we have you know how we have been brought up
how we have evolved in this part of the world and.
You know what we know it's so far out of that but
it's so interesting to know that
this is like imagine what they think when they
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look at what how we live and what we
do they must be like what are they doing
like putting all those chemicals in their bodies taking all those
taking all those like manufactured weird
toxic substances and when
they can just you know pop up to a shaman and
have him pop in your dreams and
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fix you yeah which to be fair
on like you know all jokes aside sounds wonderful you
go yeah it does like wake up healed that sounds
fantastic I'm not gonna it sounds absolutely amazing but
like yeah when I read the book I was literally I
was hooked like it took me a couple of pages to
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get into it and then once I realized what I
was getting into because the first couple of pages was just
like him explaining who he was and then
we kind of got into it and I was literally hooked I remember saying out loud
so many times like oh my god what the hell am I reading what is like yeah it's
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his way of being because it just it literally blew me wide open and it made
me realize how very little I know about.
Everything. I mean, they say that we only use like a tiny percentage of our brain.
And the subconscious of our brain, I think, is something that I'm learning more
and more over the years because,
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you know, obviously becoming more aware of your, you know, your thought patterns
and that kind of thing is something that obviously both of us are very much aware of.
But I think the subconscious is something that we probably don't tap into as much.
You know, know we're very aware of our awake state our
how we feel when we're awake what we're putting energy into
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what we're not what we're allowing what we're not but
I go to sleep at night and I just go
to sleep at night I don't put any thought
into you know what's going
to happen in my subconscious and sometimes like you'll have
those like anxiety dreams where you'll wake up
from a dream and you'll light be like yep I'm feeling anxious that was
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obvious it's glaringly obvious what that dream
was about or you know if you're
you're dreaming romantically about somebody it's because
you know you know there's feelings there or you
dream about someone you've lost you know that it's like a grief thing
like those are really obvious but sometimes you're
just like it's just a dream but maybe we need
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to tap into the subconscious as much as we look
at our consciousness and our awake state maybe
that needs to be something that's tapped into more and obviously
people do because you know there's there's this kind
of stuff going on so but when I say we I
kind of mean me and you yeah we we
need to us people are over here other people
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are doing it you just literally hit the nail on the head with what you said
like our subconscious minds I just I feel that there is so much potential that
we haven't tapped into that we're not like if these people can do this stuff.
Like when you read the book you'll be like wow yeah okay we need to figure this out because.
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Obviously if these people can do the things that they do then we're
we're not reaching our full potential by we're
not using our brains properly like we're not no we're
not we're not doing it to like rewire how we're working
our bodies and our brains because we have the
potential to do so much more yeah like
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massive it's like we've barely scratched the surface
and it does make me wonder like I understand that
obviously you know different parts of the world do things differently because that's
how we have grown and evolved over
time but it does make me wonder why now in 2024 and I think I'm about to go
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really off topic so I'm going to pull myself back I promise but why now do we
not think about these things like why has our medicine not looking at.
These side, like looking at these different things, like, because a lot of them,
and I know people will probably jump on and say, oh, well, it's because it's
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just, you know, mumbo jumbo, it's just herbs and spices.
It doesn't actually work. It's all placebo, yada, yada, yada.
But a lot of these things have actual like grounds.
A lot of these medicinal herbs and, you know,
like topical ointments you can create and using like
natural products and more spirituality and
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holistic approach to stuff does actually have grounds you
know there is a lot of people that
have got actual solid proof that
it's worked so it makes me wonder why we don't look
at those kind of things and then I could go down a bit of a conspiracy theory
black hole and say is there a reason why they don't want us to know because
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then we might into a part of our brain that they don't want us to be able to
get into but that's just like a whole different wormhole and maybe Maybe we
should tap into that another time.
We should tap into that another time. I'm going to write that down too.
But I've got a lot to say about that wormhole, that's for sure.
But yeah, and like big pharma make big money from, you know,
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selling drugs basically.
Yeah. They do. And this is a totally different way.
And I mean, when you look at it now, people are definitely getting more.
Like I remember when I first learned Reiki, No one knew what Reiki was.
And literally no one knew what it was and no one
wanted to have a reiki healing they all like hippie mumbo
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jumbo blah blah blah no one no one cared but
now I see it so much more now
like so many more people are looking into crystal
healing reiki healing and it's more mainstream now like
you know it used
to be like you know because I remember and I
don't know I don't know if you you remember but like when I was younger there used
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to be those like phone book things that
you would get like not the yellow pages you'd have the big yellow
pages but you'd have like the little one like yeah
yeah phone book something like the British Telecom
is that what you just said yeah like something like little blue
ones and you'd yeah right at the very back you'd have
like the mystic meg yeah and like
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you'd have all of that kind of stuff but it would be right at
the the very back and it'd be the smallest little thing ever yeah but
now you search for any kind
of healing online and you're going
to get crystal healing reiki sound therapy like
all of this kind of stuff is so much more
mainstream now than it was
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when I was younger it was all like you
know hippie mumbo jumbo and people just trying to con you
that's like everyone's like oh it's just crap like
it doesn't mean anything it's you know I remember explaining
to my mom about like when I did.
My Reiki masters and like the
kind of spiritual awakening that I went through and she was
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like I think that you were spiked are you sure
you're okay are you on drugs and I was like mom like
no I'm trying to explain to you about like a spiritual awakening that I had
and you just think that I've been spiked yeah or you've joined a cult or something
oh yeah I got asked that as well yeah yeah yeah literally yeah but yeah it's
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definitely not looked that you know like that anymore.
So yeah do you know what this has actually been a really interesting
topic and I feel like it's like kind of opened my
eyes quite a lot to this whole you
know art of dreaming and not you
know know I don't think I really fully understood it all until we kind of unpacked
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a little bit today so that's actually been a really good conversation I've thoroughly
enjoyed it I'm hoping that you know all of you guys have as well and we'd be
really really be interested in what you think,
about what we've spoken about about dreams what you think they are but also
you know have you just listened to you know what Charlotte was saying about
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the art of dreaming and these you you know,
different ways that people are using dreaming and thought, well, that's really cool.
Or if you just thought that's a whole load of nonsense, you know, be really.
Interesting to see what you guys think like you know because some
people might listen and be like no you're just
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crazy people so yeah be
really interested to see what you guys think and yeah
leave us a little comment and let us know and obviously you know we really appreciate
everybody who jumps on and listens and we will be back again next week with
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talking about today so you guys can all find them.
I'll put them into the notes of the podcast.
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