Joe Hernandez / Episode 2

Dr. Joe Hernandez joins us in Episode two, sitting down with us from El Paso, Texas. The Physical Therapist and Entrepreneur tells us what helps him achieve success and keeps him going in this crazy world. Him and host, Gregory, look back on their friendship and a podcast they hosted together once, "The Wild Bunch."

Episode Transcript

(00:03):
I was, before we got on, I was thinking I had this thought that popped up in my head.
What if while you were waiting I had died?
Like while you're waiting for a call to happen?
I just died died somehow suddenly here at my house.
was so inconvenient too, you I got all set up and everything and just waiting for you.

(00:25):
It'd be sad, obviously, you know, that'd probably be the first emotion that I'd feel.
I'm sure later on that I'd be like, fuck, we had that podcast.
We were gonna, it on our calendar for a month.
We're gonna do it.
You decided to do it on that day?
It's okay that it's frustrating.
I'm imagining is an aneurysm.
In this scenario.
It's painless ish.

(00:46):
better before than mid podcast, which I mean, I don't know, could be your best podcastyet.
that could be worth something but yeah that's not the point of this exactly this morningor yesterday i saw a short i think it was a short it might have been a real it doesn't
matter but it was this guy walking down the street in new york he had an interview realquick and he said he

(01:13):
had died actually he worked at like an ice cream shop or barista and he had an aneurysmand or embolism or whatever one of those things that pop in your brain and they declared
him dead and took him to the hospital and now he's he they revived them whatever but hesaid he died he was declared dead

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Did he remember anything from being dead?
He said it was peaceful and that afterwards he had trouble being alive because of thepeace.
Like, I guess I'd imagine it's peace that we can't experience in this realm that we're in.
it's like waking up from a really good dream.

(01:55):
Just that it was nothing.
There's nothing Yeah, he's quick to defend the nothing like why don't I don't know whatother people would experience.
That's what I saw or what I felt.
He also mentioned the live flashing before his eyes.
Is very common.

(02:16):
And he's like, is this like every memory you have is rushing.
towards and past you.
So I guess it's like being in VR, but fast forwarding a movie that you're watching in VR.
Exactly.
I mean, this 10 times
it's like the whole DMT thing, right?

(02:36):
You you have a lifelong experience in such a small amount of time.
Have you ever done DMT?
But what is it?
Do you know?
What is it?
Dimethyl tryptophan?
Is that what it's the actual chemical name?
Yes, I think that's exactly why we asked you because you knew how to say it.

(02:57):
the only chemical thing I know about DMT, obviously, right, you get its derivative fromayahuasca.
People hear about ayahuasca all the time.
They go to Peru and they do this, you know, journey.
They get a shaman.
Usually it's rich folk.
They drink the ayahuasca.
They puke their brains out.
But then they have this, you know, surreal trip that sends them on, you know, thislifelong adventure that lasts like a short amount of time that I said.

(03:20):
And it changes them.
So DMT would be like
ayahuasca, but they just get the compound pretty much.
You know, they just get that compound.
So it's just pure, pure, pure DMT.
The only thing chemically I know that's interesting, they say that when you pass away,it's funny because it's how we started talking about it.
When you die and your cells are breaking down in one of the steps where everything'sbreaking down, you get that compound DMT.

(03:46):
and it surges through your whole bloodstream.
And it's for a very, very small amount of time, but it surges so much that people end uphaving experiences like that gentleman that you talked about.
it makes you question, you know, is it part of a bigger process of consciousness that letsus expand on what we see?
Who knows?
I don't know.
So was like, it's like popping the cigarette, one of those menthol cigarette bubbles justhad the bubble is DMT and you're dying.

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And when it pops, you're releasing all this fluid into your brainstem that's causing allthese basically hallucinations, but on an exponential level that we couldn't understand
Buddhism talks about this.
DMT release as a part of like the dying process, don't they?

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Isn't it something like that?
I'm not sure.
You know, I know very little about Buddhism.
I didn't know that they even talked about DMT or anything with that.
You know, I think I mean the Tibetan Book of the Dead.
There's some link there between the Tibetan Book of the Dead and DMT.
interesting, now I had no idea.
But like you said, when you die, it releases.

(05:01):
Ultimately.
Gosh.
See, that's interesting.
I feel like that's something to look forward to.
You know that's a big reason why I don't want to do DMT is because I feel like, okay, ifthat's the case, I'm going to wait for the surprise.
Hmm.
Speaking of ancient herbal recipes or things, I got some Yerba Mate.

(05:26):
I don't know if we can say what brand it is, but I got some.
I've been drinking it since you were telling me about it.
But you're...
Oh no.
You're still here though.
Maybe you're back.

(05:47):
Can you hear me?
We got disconnected.
You went mute for a second.
You froze.
Yeah.
You did it again.
Where we're at though?
Was it me talking about the Yerba Mate?
No, but I love yerba mate.
I drink yerba mate every day.
I don't do any DMT, but I'll do some yerba mate.

(06:10):
No, no.
But the yerba mate you have every morning, how do you prepare it?
man, okay, so I prepared it night before.
I sent you a picture of a cup.
It's a really nice cup, because yerba mate is a pain in the ass.
Like if you see these videos where it's people in Argentina and they get that cup, it has,I think the cup is actually called the mate or the yerba, one of the words, it's like part
of it.

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And you have to shove a copious amount of yerba mate inside this cup.
Like it's a whole cup full of it, right?
And you have to do this special thing where you angle the herb inside of the cup.
You then get your straw and the straw has its own name too.
The straw has a filter on the end of it.
You have to shove that straw in there and then you start pouring hot water, you sip, youpour hot water.

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It's a whole thing and it's a really, really pain to go ahead and get it ready.
It's not worth it.
We bought the cups once, I used it once, I didn't want to do it ever again.
It's just too much of a pain.
So what I do now is I got a teacup pretty much or a mug, it's a coffee mug, but it has
pretty much a thing where you can steep it in.
So it's like another cup that goes inside the cup, but it has the holes.

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So you just put the yerba in, you put that in there.
You let the, we do the water from our coffee pot, let it steep.
I usually let it sit there for about five minutes.
And then what I do is I'll get one of my, my protein blender bottles.
I'll put ice, I'll put the yerba mate.
I put 10 grams of collagen.
I put 30 grams of honey.

(07:33):
I put some lime juice and I put five grams of creatine.
I shake it up, I save it in the fridge.
Next morning when I wake up for the gym, that's what I'm drinking, you know, as I'm doingmy workout.
So I start my day doing that.
As my workout goes, I'm drinking it, get that caffeine, get a little bit of honey, getthat protein in from the collagen, that gets me going.
That's how I start my day.
How does that make you feel?

(07:54):
How do you feel after that?
Mate.
It's like very, you kind of use a lot of it.
You use a lot of it whenever you make your tea.
It's not like a neural gray packet or one of those things where it's very small.
A lot goes a long way.
It's a lot of caffeine inside that Yerba Mate.
Like I think, you know, for context, Greg's drinking one of the ones they sell at stores,you know, in the yellow cans.
How many milligrams does that have, Greg?
What, 280, 300?

(08:16):
Maybe a little less.
i couldn't tell you off the bat but i know it's not as much as like a cup of coffee rightso it's not 100 milligrams it is
should be more dude, yeah those are strong.
shaking?
Probably.
This is a, you know, it doesn't actually say exactly where, but we can Google it later.

(08:39):
We can find out.
In fact, if you're at home, why don't you go ahead and search for organic yerba mate can,60 calories per can, how much that's got in there.
is not bad either.
So dude, it's stronger than coffee for sure.
If you go like gram for gram, yerba mate for coffee, you're gonna get it.
I like the, for other reasons.

(09:02):
That won't, that,
What is that?
Then you put a good amount I want to know what those things do for you.
Dude, okay, so it's easy.
Think about like, have you ever had pre-workout?
Pre-workout's super popular, right?
And really, you know, pre-workouts are kind of a waste of money, to be honest with you,most of them.

(09:23):
All the research behind them's not very good.
The biggest thing that they have researched that they know works on pre-workout iscaffeine, obviously, right?
Because if you're hopped up on caffeine, you're gonna have probably a better exercise.
You're gonna have more blood flow, you're gonna be more energized, all that good stuff.
So, yerba mate handles the caffeine.
That's that caffeine pretty much dose that I get.
I like it a little bit better than coffee.
It's a little bit cleaner.

(09:43):
I feel like it ramps me up quickly, but it steadies out.
I don't burn out like when I have a cup of coffee or when I do pre-workout.
Pre-workout's quick burn.
I'm tired the rest of the day.
Your Vermonta keeps me going.
The honey, we'll get a little scientific here.
The honey is just simple sugars, simple carbohydrates, right?
I just woke up.
I'm gonna go lift weights.

(10:04):
I'm gonna go do exercise.
Those carbs, that little bit of carbs, just energy flow.
pretty much just gets me moving a little bit better.
When you're working out, I'm trying to lose weight right now.
So biggest thing when you're losing weight is you don't just wanna lose weight, you wannalose fat and you wanna keep as much muscle as possible, right?
Hence the collagen.
So the collagen is just a little bit of protein.

(10:24):
So when you have protein in your system, your body's like, hey, this dude's drinkingprotein, I don't need to go take away that protein from those muscles to have that energy.
The creatine is the big one.
The creatine I just started about three, four days ago.
I like steroids.
probably dude if anyone's gonna buy supplements if anyone's gonna buy a supplement notmedical vice any of that you know how goes but if anyone's gonna get a supplement creatine

(10:44):
is probably the best of the best we know it works we know it's safe and we know that itdoes what it says it does pretty much
I imagine a man growling every time I think about creatine.
Yeah, like, there you go.
No, that's not like that.
a trip.
Sorry, I wake up this early in the morning.

(11:06):
oh So the creatine is a little different.
It really does nothing for me for the workout.
It does nothing for you during the time that you take it.
It's slow.
You have to take it for a good couple of weeks before your body actually gets saturatedwith it.
And what it does is it pulls water into your muscles.

(11:28):
So nowhere else.
It's not going to blow you up.
People think it makes you bloated, kind of, but not in the way they think.
Literally shoves water in your muscles.
When your muscles more hydrated, they produce more ATP.
ATP is more energy, meaning they can either do more reps or lift more weights.
So it's something that you compound.
It doesn't matter what time you take it.
I put it in my morning shake because it's convenient and I know I'm going to have thatmorning drink every single day.

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So consistency is name of the game.
If you have a protein shake at noon every single day, you might as well put some creatinein it and then you're good to
Plus your morning growler, apparently.
You growl in the mornings.
I'm a nighttime growler.
Yes.
Whoa, that's a very uncomfortable question.

(12:12):
What are you overstepping my boundaries right now?
I go to bed by nowadays, in my twilight years.
I go to bed at...
10 10 30 at the latest.
I'm winding down from like 9 30 to 10 30.

(12:33):
so you have like a dedicated wind down time?
it's a loose window.
I feel it but my body's got the circadian rhythm has gotten used to that.
So in the past year or so and now I'm able to go ahead and like, pretty naturally go laydown in bed around 945 up to 10 and then I can I could be out within like 2030 minutes but

(12:57):
I'm usually watching a little bit of YouTube.
I didn't
work during that wind down window?
Like if you have to, or if you're just like, want to finish this.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, dude.
Yeah, once I get to the wind down, it's over, I'm done.
That's good.
I would have to be have I would have to be working for somebody where there's an emergencyor that's an expectation, I would be willing to step up for it.

(13:23):
But that doesn't happen nowadays.
Yeah, but it used to.
There was one time in my life where I had to be on on on alert like that in the jobs I hadagency advertising agencies.
Was that all agencies or just some?
There is some that has some balance, it just depends on who you work for.

(13:46):
It really is.
And the funny thing is, the more personal you in familial you find yourself in an agency,the more likely you are to end up being the guy who checking emails after nine and
answering shit after nine because of the intertwiningness it has.
You know, it just sort of latches on like a parasite.

(14:08):
What kind of, I kind of like, kind of do like what you said, you you said like once itbecomes like familial, you know, when you, when you go to a workplace and they're like,
well we're a family here, you know, and for one note, no, you're not, you know, no, you'renot, but it's almost like, well, if we think of each other as a family, that means that we
are obligated to do things, correct?
Yeah.
And that's not right.
That's not okay.

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Ladies and gentlemen, your, your work people, they're not your family unless they reallyare, you know, that's another conversation, but they're not your family.
they are actually family, which sucks, but...
It just depends.
when I've done interviews, it started that after my first couple jobs, I startedrealizing, okay, if that employer is, you know, going in that interview saying we're like

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a family here, to me, that's a red flag.
To me, that's already like, no, no, you're not.
You're not my family.
You're not going to call me on the weekend or after 6 p.m.
Please don't.
And that's where that's exactly full circle.
That's the feeling I had because obligation and intimacy somehow make you feel like youowe people something, right?

(15:14):
You know, like, they made it possible.
Are you going to play these mind tricks on yourself to go ahead and make you do it?
Luckily, I've burned out on that sort of fear.
Let's get.
How long have you been practicing physical therapy now?
I've been a physical therapist for, it'll be six years in August, this upcoming August.

(15:34):
Which is crazy to me, because it's the longest, I mean, other than actual school, it's thelongest thing that I've done, you know, consistently for a very, very long time, which
I've kind of, I have a tendency to get into something, whether it be a hobby, something,and then I'll stick to it for a good while, and then I'll jump to the next thing, and then
I'll jump to the next thing.
Physical therapy has been a nice, which is good, I guess, because it's my career, it'show, you know,

(15:57):
live in everything.
So that's been something that's been kind of nice past couple of years.
How long were you in school for it?
So I did school, I did bachelor's at St.
Mary's.
Five years.
Took an extra year.
That's where I met Greg, actually.
Me and him met, uh I was a freshman.
I was a freshman in college.
You were a junior when I went in?
Junior or sophomore?

(16:18):
was gosh, I probably was a junior.
I was like two school years older than you I think actually or so sometimes it feels likeit's way more but it's also like not that far.
No, no, not at all.
A tiny gap.
So I was there for five years.
Was supposed to do four, but had that little victory lap just cause, you know, I had thosecouple years in the middle where didn't know what I was doing, slacking off, fucking

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around, and then finally figured it out.
Had to get my shit together and scrounge.
So once I graduated, luckily I got into PT school right away.
That was another three years.
care.
Seven years.
Oh, you should just I'm not nobody.
Nobody's gonna math nobody would have caught that.
Oh, seven years.

(17:05):
oh my gosh.
I would have never counted that.
No.
people and I hope that there's people from San Antonio that hear this.
I think between the both of us, there's plenty from San Antonio that are still living andfrom there haven't gone, haven't gone back.

(17:28):
I mean, a lot of people that we've known are close friends and everything.
A lot of them have not even known me as a PT, you know, as a person who's in a career, youknow, where those relationships either fizzled out during college, after college or right
after college or a little bit after college.
Do feel like if you could go back as the undergrad, there's much you would change.

(17:56):
Oh, it would make this more interesting.
What would you change actually?
Now you're forced in this scenario just for the fun of it.
I wish...
I don't think about these things just because obviously we can't change things, right?
So I don't think about them because it's like, I can't change that.
And I'm also very happy with where I ended up.

(18:18):
So my thoughts are, well, if I would have changed something, yeah, but.
you get to think outside the box
You know, I think I would have tried to get, man, trying to think what I would dodifferently.
Sometimes I think I would do a different career, but then I think about it, I'm like, no,no, no, that made sense for me, that there's exact reasons why I did that.

(18:40):
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't see what else I would do.
No, that was a good reason why I did that.
And I love what it brought me following, you know, so no.
I think I would have liked to...
get a little bit healthier, a little bit quicker, if that makes sense.
So backstory, know, when we were in college, and I say we, because if anyone knew Gregback then and myself, we were big boys, man.

(19:03):
We were pretty overweight.
I was very overweight.
Greg was pretty overweight.
Greg's very tall, you know, so he stretched his weight out.
I'm a short guy.
I'm like 5'4", 5'5", on a good day.
So I was, you know, a good 220, 230 pounds.
So very overweight and...
I started exercising, started, you know, eating a little bit better, I started gettinginto that stuff.
Hindsight, I don't think I could have learned it any faster than what I did.

(19:27):
But there's a lot of things now that I change and adjust with my health that I tellmyself, shoot, if I would have done that when I was 20, I would have been so much further
ahead right now at 32, if that makes sense.
So I think about those things.
I think about those things a lot, like I wish I would have been better about doing this oreating this way or exercising this way.
getting healthier a little earlier, but like, that's that, you know, there's probablythings along the way that triggered the motivation to stay so committed.

(19:54):
It's you right.
So personally, what would I go back and change?
You know, I like that spirit.
I like the spirit of what you just said.
I'd like to come out sooner.
I'd like to come out as bisexual or queer sooner.
Yes.
person you told?
I think ever just about on Woodlawn Lake.

(20:16):
I'll never forget that day.
Anyone who's never been to Woodlawn Lake in San Antonio, it's beautiful.
The neighborhood around it's okay, but it's beautiful.
I love that place.
the actual shores because it's like full of needles and condoms.
you don't go in the water, but that's okay.
Don't worry about that.
Actually, I liked Woodlawn Lake so much, had so many good memories that when Val, my wife,we went to go visit San Antonio a few months ago, back in October, I took her to Woodlawn

(20:38):
Lake purposely, you know, even though was kind of out of the way from the touristy stuffand everything, we went to go check out Woodlawn.
I showed her St.
Mary's, we walked around.
It was really cool, very surreal being back there again.
Has she ever been
Never, never.
She went to SeaWorld when she was like four years old and doesn't even remember it becauseshe was so little.
How long have you been married now?

(20:59):
Like, just for three years?
it's gonna, no, one year actually.
It's gonna be one year this Sunday.
This Sunday?
Am I thinking that right?
Yeah, dude, it's been a year on this Sunday, which that means that was the last time wewere together in person, right?
We haven't seen each other since the wedding.

(21:20):
right it doesn't necessarily feel like that but at the same time I don't know if it'ssupposed to be that often these days so that's pretty good a year's not so bad when you
live a thousand miles away from each other
I think prior to May, was like, I saw you when we went to go see Chris.
Is that in August, the year before?

(21:42):
Uh-huh, it was after we went to go see Chris.
Chris, our buddy Chris, went to go visit in Houston.
I went over.
And then before that, it had been a long time since I had seen you.
I don't think we had seen each other in a very, very long time.
Probably actually the year before or two years before when it was Colby's wedding and meand Val went to go stay with you guys when we went over for that.
See?

(22:02):
Nice.
Time to display.
It's 2025 now as we record this.
And gosh, I don't, I...
Do you feel like young married life is everything?
You thought it was gonna be?
That's awesome.
actually, dude, you know, I don't know that I had a thought of what it was gonna be likeor what it wasn't gonna be like.

(22:26):
ah I remember, not even recently, I haven't thought about it, because I was thinking aboutthis two months ago, and I remember talking to Val about it, where we were, it was like
March, and I was like, man, it's gonna be our anniversary in a couple months, and I askedmyself.
have things changed since we got married, fundamentally, right?

(22:47):
Not necessarily how we've changed.
We have changed, we're always changing in certain ways.
Not fundamentally, but has our relationship changed, the dynamic with everything?
And I was happy to think, no, not really.
And so much so that if I go back even before we got married, it hasn't even changed beforeactual marriage, which I thought that was a win.

(23:09):
I thought that was a win, at least in my book, because you know,
You get these people, they get married and all of a sudden their relationship's completelydifferent.
my relationship I felt was already good.
That's why I wanted to get married.
So if that's the case, it shouldn't necessarily change.
It should just expand.
It should just grow after that.
some people get unlucky and they find out some crazy shit about this.

(23:32):
Bounce afterwards, right?
That sucks, that sounds awful.
That sounds awful.
I I think like share everything.
Well, share everything with your partner beforehand.
How are you gonna go into a commitment like that without knowing who the other person is,without understanding the flaws of that person, know?

(23:52):
Understanding what you don't like about that person, or maybe not not like, but maybe it'slike, you know, I wouldn't have expected to be with someone like this or like that, you
know?
Like, you gotta think about these things.
I read some like really jarring Reddit posts that come from once it doesn't matter if it'sthe girl or guy but it'll be from one or the other and it's always bringing up something

(24:15):
about their partner and it sounds so terrible and they're asking how normal it is.
common theme with like maybe people our age that you're seeing on these forums?
I don't I don't know how common it is.
But something that sticks out to me is that there's something about the other they don'tknow.
And, and for some reason, before they live together, we're married, like, together fulltime, like full time, full time, they didn't discover the thing, but something about the

(24:49):
full time change being under the same roof.
reveals something they just, doesn't, right?
It doesn't how long they were together before, it doesn't trigger until the change, untilthe marriage, until they're living together officially.
It could be any sorts of things.
that just pop and now it's there.

(25:11):
you know, and since it's, it's not that somebody is hiding something.
It's not even that necessarily.
It is oftentimes, something very strange, something weird that the person does that theywouldn't even think about in any other case.
But when the other person observes it, it freaks them the fuck out for one reason oranother.

(25:37):
And they're like, what?
normal to the person doing it or involved in it, but to the other person, it's so foreignthat it's just jarring to them.
I mean, immediately you got me thinking like fetish stuff, right?
Just cause it's the whole, you know, like, two years in marriage and now the dude's askingyou to stick your finger in his butt or something, you know, like along those lines.

(26:00):
Mind you, I won't do that.
That's where I draw a line or at least one of the lines.
But not in a Terence Howard kind of way.
You just don't like that.
Right?
No, I was a Christian.
for me.
No, yeah, it's not for me.
If you like to do that, that's cool, dude, I'll power it to you.
And if you like to do that, and it's important to you, find yourself a partner that willbe down for that.
And you might as well tell them ahead of time.

(26:22):
That's what I'm scared of.
yeah.
yeah.
to tell them that you want the finger in the butt?
Yes, yes.
It's...
uh
you know, I think it's it comes down to that.

(26:43):
I feel like my my whatever that thing is, I could be discovered that's gonna fuck likefreaking other person out.
It's just been steeping so long now.
unavoidably, when somebody discovers that it's just gonna be like opening a jar after 100years is this could be too much, right?

(27:05):
It's been too long.
you, because I feel like you're a person who is okay with being vulnerable, for the mostpart.
I think everyone has their thresholds of vulnerability, and that could depend on yoursituation or who you're being vulnerable with.
Do you feel like, is it a fear of?

(27:26):
Is it a fear of being vulnerable or is it a fear of being vulnerable and then beingrejected because of that vulnerability?
gets that far.
The fear in my thought process, maybe it depends on who the person I'm being vulnerablewith is.

(27:47):
I then I can see myself pulling myself back.
You know, usually, it comes down to me always being vulnerable until I get hurt somehow.
I want to be that first I want to be
genuine and authentic and all those things, which just means transparency, which to memeans you act like you would act if you were alone in a room and you thought nobody could

(28:14):
see you.
Whatever that is, is really you.
The better you are at being that always the more authentic you are.
And that's what I want to achieve.
And you know, sometimes I don't know, I don't think it even takes trying.
It's like a culmination of things to like over time, you get better at it.

(28:38):
I think that's hard though, because you can't...
We have these characters of ourself, right?
You have your work character, your character of who you are with your family, who you arewith this friend, who you are with that friend.
And you're the same person every time, but because of however your relationship hasestablished, you're gonna adjust things.

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You know, and I don't think that's a bad thing.
Everybody does it.
I don't expect everyone to be this, you know, the way they are with their boyfriend asthey are with, you know, their priest or something, you know, it's totally different
scenarios.
Do you feel that there's something, uh, obviously there's benefit to it, but how do youseparate being genuine and just being a character?

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carefully.
I don't think I don't think everyone can like act or lie.
So that helps in the real world.
Some people are really bad at lying.
You can you know them out there and they just they can't do it for shit.
They have so many tails.
They would probably not even be able to guess what the tail was that they had.

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You know, it's just that many.
So that is luckily a of certain sector people that are like that.
And then there are the people who are good at lying, who are good at acting.
There's two types of people under that.
Those with malicious intent to a certain degree, those without, that's one way to look atit.

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You could also look at it as that ability to be good at that.
thing line, somehow being related to their career, something that they do for a living.
So that it's not like they just are good at this thing for fun, but that they're good atthis thing for a living.
or it's something that's just natural to them too and they were just born with it.

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I have a lot of respect for people who can be very good at lying, can be very good atbeing cruel, can be very good at being mean, but they have enough self-control to not, you
know, and to do the opposite of that.
And you were talking about vulnerability and that's what happens when I when I

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get burned is
easy to forget that it's gonna happen again.
if that makes sense.
But once you get burned...
Isn't there the hope that that's the last time?

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You know?
So you almost have to forget that it could happen again because if you dwell on it, it'salmost like you're asking for it, you know?
Luckily, recently I've been remembering
that I've lived many lives.
I've really lived.
I've lived and it doesn't that it doesn't have to be sad memory, or tragedy, or like thatthing that happened in the past, or the past traumatizing me or anyone, but that I've

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lived like, well, I did that thing.
I did live through that period.
I live that way.
And that recently has become interesting to me to realize I have these multitudes, themultitudes inside of myself.
the mini Griggs inside of me.
The mini-Gregs.
uh
sure somebody out there is gonna love that.

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And with that, it allows me to be more me easily.
Like I am all those things.
That makes it effortless then to be me to even understand the differences in my mood towhere you're still you if you're in a bad mood.

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But then what do do with that?
Are you still out there like butchering people's feelings just because you're in a badmood?
So there's like a certain way to go about things.
Definitely.
that's the whole thing of like emotional control.
You it's interesting that you said you brought up of how you've lived many lives.
I had this lady that I saw, one of my patients, I saw her earlier.

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She's like 93, 92 years old.
And she loves to talk, man.
She loves to talk.
We were talking for a long time.
She's really cool though.
I actually enjoyed talking to her.
We have really good conversations.
And it was her last visit, was discharging her, we were talking, finished my tests andeverything.
I just stayed, you know, I stayed a while.
My next one was really close, so I had some time, so we were just talking.
Talking about all kinds of stuff.

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And she was talking about, you know, she's 93 years old.
Basically kind of what you said, you know, she's like, yeah, I've lived a lot of life.
I've done a lot of things.
I've had a lot of stories.
And we started talking about marriage, you know, we started telling her about, you know,my anniversaries this weekend and everything.
She started talking about her husband.
Her husband had passed away a while back.
She was saying, you know,
I have a lot of memories with him.

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You know, obviously, you know, you get to that age, or that's a lot of life to livetogether.
She's like, but you know what, Joe, she's like, I and this on Spanish, you know, I thinkall the credit goes when she's like, have good memories.
She was like, I, I, sometimes I think back of times that we were fighting that we wereugly to each other and this and that.
And she's like, and I don't even

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bad and I like all I think about is just those good memories that I have and she's like,and I realized that my life is nothing but good memories, which, course, it's not true.
We have all kinds of shitty memories.
But to see that perspective of someone they're approaching the end, you know, you're inyour 90s, you're getting close, right?
You're getting very, very close.
And for her to be able to say, fuck, I'm in pain all the time, I can barely move, I haveall these health problems.

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But you know what, I'm leaving here with really good memories.
That's pretty nice.
That's a good goal to have.
you would want to spend the last days of your time on earth in a positive, hopeful way.
And hopefully it's not like you have to spend the last years of your life hoping.
You know what I mean?
By that?
Like, you don't want to like, I hope now for a better future, but I don't want to hope fora better future at 90.

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I want to be living it.
Right, dude, I think that's such a hard thing too though.
I was thinking about that the other day, because I think we get so caught up.
I get anxious a lot.
I get anxious all the time, know, a lot of work stuff, a lot of different things that Ithink about, family stuff, health stuff, all that good stuff.
And I'll get anxious.
I'm like, that sucks because I can't be happy right now with everything that I got and allthe love and all the positive stuff and all the good memories that I already have.

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I'm just worrying about a future all the time.
That stinks.
But at the same time,
My balance that I've been trying to really try and get as center as possible, because it'snever going to be centered.
It's going to fluctuate all the time is okay.
Being grateful for what I got right now and thinking to myself, shoot, if I kick thebucket tomorrow, I can, you know, leave saying, Hey, I've accomplished things.

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I've had a lot of love.
I've had a lot of friendship.
I've had a lot of great experiences, but I never want to be complacent.
I always want to say, but.
as long as I'm here and I still can live, I wanna make sure that I can still do more andhelp others and build a beautiful life and build a family and do all those things.
Do you ever find...
gonna die, this would be a week.

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No, well, probably not.
Probably not.
I told you I'm still working on it.
I haven't figured it out.
It's tough, dude.
It's tough.
You know, I'll get into a state where I'm like, holy shit.
It you know, it's funny.
I realize it is something that I am afraid of, even though I'd like to say that I'm not.
it's something that I'm not afraid of it.

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I'm afraid of missing out.
You know what I mean?
I'm afraid of.
people behind.
that I'm afraid of not doing things that I want to do.
Val and I don't have children yet and I really do want children.
I want to have kids.
I want to see my kids.
I want to see them grow up.
The thought of missing out on something like that really scares me.
It really bothers me.

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Yes, it really, really bothers me, you know, to not get that chance to do something likethat that is so meaningful to me, you know, that that bothers me.
That worries me.
luckily, there's not like there's luckily, that's a fear that doesn't have this closenessto reality anytime soon.
Right?

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But do you worry about that specifically?
That specific thought you were is that one of the things that keeps you up at night andthese times in this epoch epoch
anxious like uh if I got a health issue and I don't know what's going on.
You're waiting for a test result and everything like that.
I've studied, uh I got my doctorate in physical therapy.

(37:32):
It's not a doctor, doctor, it's you know enough to be dangerous, right?
You know enough to...
No, yeah, but it's, you know enough to be dangerous, but you don't know enough to see thewhole picture of things, right?
You still need that help, know?
A nurse is still gonna need the help of a specialist or something like that, because theyhave gaps that not everyone else has.

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And when I don't have the full understanding of something and I don't know what's going onand I need to wait for that, then those thoughts start rolling.
What if it's this?
And humans are fucked.
We always go to the worst case scenario, right?
you're always, okay, this is the worst thing that can happen.
It's rare that we think of the best thing that can happen, and most of the time, whatactually happens is usually somewhere in the middle, and usually not that bad.

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want to know how the people who are able to just fuck off entirely do it like they don'tlike this.
It rolls off their shoulders.
They're out there.
they're out there.
I've seen them and I'm like, you're not concerned about that at all.
No, you know, it's a...
It's hard to say how much of it is carelessness and how much of it is like borderlinepersonality disorder.

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So it depends.
sometimes I wonder if maybe it's neither and they're just ignoring it until it becomes tooproblematic.
it's just IQ like straight up.
That's what I'm trying to diagnose it but like it's a straight up like they don't care.
you're right though.

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It's that ignorance is bliss, right?
If you see some crazy test result on your labs and you know nothing about what the fuckthey're checking and why they're checking in and what it means, you're not gonna care.
But if you have an idea of what it can mean and you know that you're in that gray or redzone, well, you're gonna care.
And that's where I freak myself out a lot of times because like I said,

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know enough to be dangerous, but when I don't have those other gaps filled, my mind canrace and roll and everything like that.
People that aren't thinking about those things, well, they don't care.
It's not gonna bother them.
I see it all the time, dude.
I get patients.
I'll read their charts.
They have all kinds of stuff wrong with them.
They do not care.
They do not.
They're just like, whatever, mi jo.
You know what mean?
I'm gonna go outside.
I'm gonna smoke my cigarette.

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I'm gonna do whatever.
And I'm like, are you sure though?
Like this isn't great, guys.
They have this penchant for like suffering.
They can really handle a lot more than the average person should.
Like they go on for years suffering in ways that they shouldn't.

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I just feel like I see that all the time with like Mexicans like, you know, I just feellike I can say that I can say that.
culture.
It's big in the majority of my patients are Hispanics and I do see it more and more, youknow, in that demographic.
And I think a lot of it is just understanding of things, you know, we're lucky, you know,we have a lot of understanding of stuff, millennials, Gen Zers, uh even who the ones,

(40:26):
yeah, seriously.
But dude, mean, have you seen, dude, have you seen all this stuff that millennials, GenZers, like we don't drink as much as past generations.
Don't mess with cigarettes.
falling apart or something like we don't last as long as the others
be honest with you, know, as much as people like to talk shit about millennials and GenZers, I think we're doing great, to be honest with you, all things considered.

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I think that we are gonna be a very pivotal shift in society as, you know, it continues toprogress.
I millennials and Gen Zers, I think every generation has a significant impact.
But I think that ours is gonna be of a different tone than the ones before us because ofinternet, right?

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We were the first generation to get internet at a young age to where it's integrated withus.
Gen Zers, if you think about it, they're on a whole other level because as us, we got itwhen we were adolescents, teenagers, they're getting it as babies, you know, which is kind
of weird to think about, you know, that it's such a part of their life.
So I think that because of it,

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we have access to so much knowledge and so much philosophy that we didn't have before thatwe're thinking a lot more critical about our health, about our social status, about our
careers, and about how we carry ourselves.
I think they are.
Especially, I'd like to say that the people that are listening to you, the people that aredefinitely listening to you, I guarantee you that they're people of those minds.

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I guarantee it, for sure, for sure, 100%.
I do air towards devil's advocate because you know, I want people like you to step up andsay, No, I've got hope.
We got this good shit is on the way.
you think that hope is not so apparent these days?
Do think hope is lost or people just aren't as hopeful?

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Hope.
I think hope itself tries to stay hidden in this day and age because itself is scared.
There's so much going on that hope is better to-
lean towards the shadows as to not get so many eyes on it and for it to be diminishedsomehow or clouded or muddied.

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think hope is scared, but it is out there and there is hope and I've got it but it's justcautioned.
It's scared.
think it's as hope is hiding as to not be disappointed?
part of it.
I mean, it is ultimately like, hope doesn't want to, like, let be let down.

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Nobody does.
think that, you know, our people are age 30s, 20s, ah teenagers.
I think that even people older, 40-year-olds, all that good stuff.
you gotta, I think our hope needs to be lengthened.
I think that we're too myopic, we're too nearsighted.

(43:29):
I think that we're so focused on...
The now, that's kind of a downside of the internet, right?
You're so in tune to what's happening on a regular basis that it's very convoluted andnoisy, too noisy sometimes.
I think we need to stretch our hope out because think about it this way.
Think back to the 1950s, how people had to live, right?

(43:52):
Fast forward 20 years later to the 70s, well, shit.
Cars are better, food production's better, manufacturing's better, jobs are better,opportunities are better, Bell bottoms, bell bottoms are cool, they're coming back.
20 years later, we get to the 90s.
90s, holy shit, dude.
Probably peak entertainment, crazy movies, crazy things with Hollywood, music is justgetting more, internet's starting to come alive.

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Fast forward to 2010, 2020, yes, know, messed up stuff has happened all along that way.
but now our healthcare is better and now our internet is better and our computer is betterand if you want something you can get it from Amazon and get it shipped to your door, you
know, the day after you order it or sometimes the day of.
Things are getting better.
Things are totally, totally getting better and humans are gonna respond to that.

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I think we need to stop being so focused on the shittiness that it is now and just dothose little things to expand that hope into the future so it can be good for us, good for
our kids, good for our loved ones.
Do you think, do you, does Superman give you hope?
Yeah.
You're not a Superman guy?

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No, dude, because how the fuck, how does that give me hope?
This guy's invincible.
We can never be like Superman.
Like, that makes no sense.
Yeah, we can be like Superman.
That's impossible.
That doesn't give me hope.
That gives me anti-hope.
well, because the new movie is coming out this summer and he is the hero of hope.
So I just, wanted it, was just getting the temperature check on how you feel about him.

(45:25):
Me, I didn't, I don't know how I feel about Superman.
Well, a hope for a Superman, I think, leans more towards that hope that you describedearlier that's fearful.
Because if I'm hoping for a Superman, that means I'm hoping for something that is uhunlikely if not impossible.
You know, I'm hoping for a pipe dream, essentially, right?

(45:49):
There's no such thing as a super-
And obviously I'm using this metaphorically.
You're hoping for the best of the best.
Superman was the best of the best.
On paper, as far as superheroes go, no one's gonna touch Superman.
Unless you're talking about the ubermensch and we're like not on the same page and you'relike a part of the National Socialist Party or something.
But yeah.
of you who don't know who the Ubermintch are, give it a Google.

(46:10):
That's a good Google right there.
You'll learn something.
Don't worry about the spelling.
Google will correct it.
Don't know about mine.
Exactly, exactly, exactly.
But what I'm saying is, look man, if you're gonna hope for the crazy, you know, out of theblue thing, Superman that's gonna save us all on the nick of time, it's probably not gonna

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happen.
But if you're gonna hope for...
The Batman who has had his life just pretty much ripped apart.
Yes, I get it, he was rich, but you have your whole life ripped apart.
You're an orphan, you don't know what's left, what's right.
You're scarred by trauma from getting your parents, know, seeing your parents get murderedat an early age.

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It's extremely tragic, but...
You take that and you turn that into something positive to help others and to be somethingbeautiful.
And we could get, can debate, you know, on how he did things or whatever, but I wouldrather hope for that.
I would rather hope for, you know what?
We're getting kicked.
We're getting punched.
Things are very, very tough.

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But if anything that history tells me is that humans are strong and if we just grit ourteeth down and keep trying, we're going to break that threshold and we're going to move
forward and we don't need no fucking Superman to do it.
We can do it ourselves.
You know what I mean?
Well, that's great.
That's a great, that's a great like cherry on top of any sort of message or takeaway we'regonna have today.

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I I'm interested in seeing how people react to that people our age and younger.
want to know more how people
in the Gen Z and younger feel about the future and what's on the horizon.
And I want to know about that because I'm using that in creativity in different ways.

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And I want to be able to channel that.
I want to be able to have an understanding of that.
And I think part of me creating will allow me to see what that feeling is, right?
That's part of the, I guess, art is to go ahead and put something out there and see whatpeople say and do and react.
Do you think that the hope, especially for younger audience members, do you think thattheir hopefulness has a correlation with what it is that they're doing with their life and

(48:37):
how secure they feel that they are on the path that they want to be on and need to be on?
we talk about oversaturation all the time and how there's basically a surplus ofeverything to the point where surplus has surplus and I think that's a part of what can be
scary to somebody younger that how do you how do you go how do you anchor anywhere whenthere's just so much and

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you know, it seems infinitely like their options.
And that becomes a problem when you don't really know what what's going to make you happy.
And you want to find out but gosh, you could literally spend the rest of your lifefiguring it out.
So it's scary.
How do you do that?
How do you figure it out without wasting the rest of your life?

(49:27):
Yeah, because and I think that's what's hard is if you're someone who's young and youdon't know you say you're 20 21 years old, and you don't know what you want to do with
your life.
It's kind of hard to have hope in anything if you don't have a direction, you know, andnot to say you should have a direction at that point.
I know I didn't I don't think you did Greg, you know, maybe an idea I feel like we alwayshave an idea.

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and then we funnel it and kind of see where it ends up.
And sometimes that funnel takes us to a spot where we didn't expect.
It could take us to a totally different thing, which is also cool, because sometimesfinding the thing, you don't find it, it kind of finds you.
You just have to respect the process and see what comes out of it.
Yes.
And you know what?
It's funny because 10 years ago is probably when we were first recording our podcasttogether.

(50:18):
Unfortunately, yes.
god.
Shit.
Google the wild bunch out there on major streaming platforms.
We're recording this on the Riverside now.
So it is actually a leap and a hop and a skip.
I'm interested to see if how much of a difference that there is in opinion.

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I'm I feel like I'm actually less cynical than I was, but I also feel like yes.
Do you like yourself more now than you did back then?
I know myself more now than I did back then.
And I do like myself.
Yes.
I don't think I, loved myself the same way.

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No, not at all.
Do you think that that's something that will continue growing positively?
Or do you feel like you're getting kind of to an end point?
my god, like, you're putting a gun in my mouth?
No, okay, I- I-

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I don't know.
I want to learn every day.
I don't understand everything.
I don't know everything.
And I think that if people could go ahead and under like, just admit to yourself once aday that you don't know everything and that you're probably wrong.
Sometimes you're going to end up being happier in the long run, because of the expectationsetting and the way you deal with people out there in the world.

(51:54):
I think being egotistical is like,
thinking the universe revolves around Earth, that old pre Galileo thought that all of thatout there is just swirling around us.
But that's exactly like a person thinking about the world and seeing the world andinteracting with it.
And that is ego.

(52:16):
And, gosh, yeah, I you know, I, I feel bad for people who are not realizing just how bigthe universe really is.
Thank you.
caught up in all that.
But I think that is probably one of the biggest blinders right now in our society.
I don't know for the younger people, like how much it's blinding them, but at least forlike us above us and the rest.

(52:44):
Yes.
It's like people can't admit that they're wrong.
When you were younger, when we were doing Wild Bunch 10 years ago, what did you feel youwere blinded by?
Delight.
I wanted everything to pay off.
I wanted all that sacrifice to go ahead and pay off.

(53:06):
So being blinded by whatever I thought was that payoff.
Yes.
Mm hmm.
And I mean, it's not like I really have much to like, show for it anyways, 10 years later.
That's not true.
except for my my feelings and my thoughts.

(53:28):
And yeah, I mean, whatever accomplished career wise, a certain degree, but I guess to I
I like where I came from because it's also a testament to letting go.
Like whether I changed or evolved or adapted, I'm happy for it because to be the same aswe were 10 years ago would not be good.

(53:54):
Like anybody, anybody, anybody out there could get on a horse and ride off into the sunsetand change.
I've been doing updates to myself.
literally like right now I'm on, no, no, no, no, no, I can't journal.
I can't journal.
I can't do it.
Every time I try, was gonna do, literally like I will say, okay, right now we're gonnawork on Joe version.

(54:17):
So right now I'm on 2.1, Joe version 2.1.
I'll literally call it something.
You don't have to call it anything.
It's just how I kind of think about it.
And what I'll do is, what I've been doing is okay.
I'll say version 2.0 started, let's say, this March.
Backstory, I had had to go to the hospital and had a kidney stone.

(54:40):
I was in the hospital for a whole week and suffered the, you everyone says like, ah, thisis the worst pain that I felt in my life.
Well, this was my worst pain that I ever felt in my life.
Life, miserable, miserable, miserable, terrible, shitty, awful, awful, awful.
And God, I don't wish that on anybody.
But afterwards, you know, it kind of made me think, okay, obviously I'm in the hospital,I'm dealing with this shit, I need to do some certain things differently.

(55:04):
All right, let's get an update, let's get a reset button.
You know, sometimes you choose your reset button, sometimes life chooses the reset buttonfor you.
it's all right, version 2.0.
I want to, I think it's going to be perfect to end on this question.
I know that probably seems so fast, but that's why you got to come back.

(55:26):
And you know, this is like the, the, the time format that we see, like, you know, you'veseen out there, you know, you'll know, you'll know.
55 minutes.
After an hour, people get a little squirmy.
It's okay, I get squirmy.
I mean, maybe my toes have been squirming this whole time.

(55:48):
Again, somebody out there is gonna really like that and I don't appreciate it.
Or maybe I do.
my gosh, almost lost that segue.
Help me out here.
What was I saying?
You're going to ask a question.
said you want to ask a question.

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was talking about, went to the hospital.
That's where I kicked in my version 2.0.
And you thought of a question.
Okay, what is this is the question of the night?
How or what allows you to or how are you able to what allows you to or how are you able tostay committed to a certain choice that you made because it's healthy?

(56:36):
How are you able to actually do it?
over and over again.
How do you do that?
How can you stay committed to doing something different?
How are you able to pull that off?
The simplest answer is you need to make sure that the why is worth it.
So for example, say you want to lose weight and you want to lose weight because you arevery self-conscious about how you look and you feel bad about your body.

(57:11):
And so your why is, I'm gonna go to the gym and I'm gonna go eat a little bit betterbecause I just wanna look better because I don't feel good about myself.
Now, that's a solid why.
That's a really good why.
That's a why that can really get you far.
You know what I mean?
Correct.

(57:31):
Correct, yes.
My biggest why's.
recently now now at this age at the stage in my life, my biggest why is in a year, I wantmy wife and I want to start trying to have a kid we want to start having for a baby.
I don't have any kids right now.
We don't have any kids right now.
So to be the first time and everything that we're gonna do try for a child and everythinglike that.

(57:54):
So now my my big why is okay, well, I need to work really good because if I want a kid,well, I want what's best for them.
I need to take care of myself because if I want a kid, I want to run and jump and play andkeep up with them, you know, even when I'm an old man as best as I can, right?
I want to work on my business.
I want to work on this.
I want to do that because if I have a kid, well, that's going to benefit them.

(58:17):
You know, that's probably been the biggest why of my life recently that has impactedmyself the most that shift that I had where I was like, okay, I want a child really kicked
all those things into gear.
Not that they weren't
there before, but that was that's a big why you know what mean?
want living life with that in mind, were you?
huh, yeah, absolutely.

(58:38):
So people need to think about their why, man, why do you do things?
Why are you gonna do it in the first place?
If your why is half-baked or shitty, you're gonna give that up in a month.
You're not gonna care.
It's not worth your time or the effort.
No, it's not.
But I think that's what people want to know.
They want to understand how they can stay on something, how they can keep doing it.

(59:02):
And it's a why it matters.
Victor Frankel, Man Search for Meaning.
Shout out.
this too, because if you have bad habits that you want to get rid of, but you can't, it'sthe why also.
Why are you doing them?
They serve you for some reason.
Exactly.
up earlier?
Why do I want to actually like run a mile?

(59:22):
Why do I want to stop eating honey buns?
Why do I want to stop smoking cigarettes?
Why do I want to run every day so I can do the marathon?
Why do I want to stop touching myself because all I can think about is no, mean, because Ican imagine it goes on people
with people.

(59:42):
Yes.
huh.
are worried and they're not all transparent.
So maybe they can go ahead and do something with that.
And they don't have to tell anybody, but they can work on it.
bet you anything they've answered why they don't wanna do something.
But I don't know if they've answered why they do wanna do something.
Why do you wanna smoke that cigarette?
Because it fucking feels good and I'm tired and stressed out all the time.

(01:00:05):
Okay, there's your why.
Now until you have a why that beats that, you're not gonna stop it.
Wow.
Damn.
There you go.
That's some good.
You dropping bars.
Nice.
You did good.
You did good.
Okay.
That's it.
That's it for today.
I mean, I think that was special and I hope that anyone at home can tune in some morebecause

(01:00:30):
Joe will be back.
But also, I think this is kind of like just like, like an opening, you know, it's like anipple into the larger world that this could be.
So Joe's doing his stuff.
Joe's got stuff going on.
Go follow him.
Why don't you go ahead and plug yourself across socials.
So go ahead and wrap us up.
you can find my main page at jher137 at Instagram.

(01:00:56):
ah It's like my personal page, it's nothing, I'm not promoting anything.
I think the biggest thing I'm promoting now is actually starting a new business.
We're called Age in Place Construction or AIP Construction.
So we specialize in uh doing home remodels for mainly elderly, disabled.
So you're talking.
You know, taking the tubs out, putting a shower that you can get a wheelchair inside of,opening doors so you can get a wheelchair in, wheelchair ramps, grab bars for safety.

(01:01:23):
Basically anyone who's in a home that they want to make safer for themselves, for theirloved ones or prep.
You know, as they know that they're going to get older as time goes on.
They got that two story house, they got that tub, it's time to get rid of it.
Definitely something that we can, we can help you guys out with.
And that'll be at AIP.construction.
And that's on Instagram that you can find us not much yet new venture.

(01:01:44):
We're barely getting started out So hopefully soon that by the next time I'm talking toyou guys here with Greg, you know, we got some good updates for y'all
good feeling about it.
And if anyone else, thank you.
Look up the wild bunch, a podcast, specifically the wild wild bunch a podcast on Spotifyor Apple podcasts and go ahead and pick an episode that Joe and I recorded back then and

(01:02:09):
have a listen.
I think it'd be pretty funny after listening to this and flashback with us.
And thanks for tuning in to the show.
I think that this is like a good setup for the rest of the season.
And I'm really excited to go ahead and have on actually people that, know, friends of oursand others, people that I don't even know really well, but we're going to get to learn

(01:02:34):
more about them.
And the point is to be coming back and introducing more and more people as time goes on.
But we could do like an entrepreneurship episode, finance episode.
all kinds of stuff.
you know, stuff like that, I think is what it's right for.
And as people listen, I want them to actually want to be on to in a way where it's like,why not?

(01:02:57):
We didn't even get to the questions that people were submitting, but we'll get to it onthe next guest.
I promise.
That sounds good.
Greg, thank you.
Thank you so much, man, for having me on.
This was fun, always a pleasure.
Everyone listening, give Greg some love, gentle renegades, all that good stuff.
This dude's probably one of the most creative people I've ever met, and probably one ofthe most creative people I will ever meet, to be honest with you.

(01:03:21):
So definitely someone to look at and follow and get advice from when it comes to anythingcreative.
Why don't we sign off how we used to on the wild bunch?
Or we'd go ahead and like, you know, just don't say your name, say my name.
Do we know the dudes?
I don't know.
We'd be able to pull that off.
Like, uh thank you for joining in with the Wild Bunch with...

(01:03:45):
Gregory about this.
Enjoy it on this.
All right, everybody, take care.
and then it stops.