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November 12, 2025 80 mins

About whether poverty is a choice or a trap, and how it impacts some people permanently. We open by discussing what people care about discussing – you know, to try to figure out how to make a good podcast. After not getting anywhere, we get into a discussion about social class and whether you can move from the poverty class to a more thriving middle class or better. Does it take determination, or is that not enough for some people?

We talk about underpaid jobs, supportive communities, growing up with lack, the word “moxie,” and what it takes to make a better life for yourself. This gets us into the dart theory – the notion that some people only have so many shots to create a better life, and if you’re starting out from a deficit, that may not be enough. This leads to Daniel revealing what he believes is the perfect ripeness of a banana and why. We realize we see this quite differently, not just bananas, but also poverty, and whether we should do anything about it.

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  • Naturally, we talked about The Lorem Ipsum, and in particular, this issue, which was the original inspiration for today’s topic, which we did not get to at all: https://danielkherndon.com/mystic-waves/.

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