July 2, 2025 • 53 mins
There's something magical that happens when a woman finally stops apologizing for taking up space and starts creating from the fire in her soul. Heidi Rojas knows this magic intimately - she turned her most vulnerable moments into medicine that's now healing millions around the world.
In this episode of Unapologetically Yours, host Ashley Logan sits down with artist, songwriter, author, and mother of two, Heidi Rojas. Heidi is a proud first-generational Latina, mother of two, and creative first living in Los Angeles.
When Heidi's viral lullaby "The Feelings Song" crossed Ashley's Instagram feed, it stopped her in her tracks. Here was a woman who didn't just survive life's messiest moments - she alchemized them into art. Heidi shares the incredible journey behind the song that now has over 7.5 million views, and how answering the call to authentic expression at 37 became an act of rebellion that changed everything.
But this conversation goes so much deeper than one viral moment. Heidi opens up about the identity crisis that sparked her music career, losing herself in early motherhood, and the profound realization that changed everything: "God has chosen me to be a portal of life." Her anthem "Madre Creator" isn't just a song - it's a declaration of the divine feminine power within every woman.
Ashley and Heidi dive into the beautiful, messy work of creating from the soul while confronting cultural narratives around suppression and silence. They explore how showing up authentically doesn't just change your own life - it shifts your entire community, and creates ripple effects that heal generations.
You’ll hear about:
✨What it’s really like raising boys in a world that tells them not to cry
✨ How our biggest challenges often carry our greatest gifts
✨Why music can say what words sometimes can’t
✨The magic of lullabies, rituals, and little moments that turn into big healing
✨How showing up for your kid can also mean reparenting yourself
✨Why the messiest moments often lead to the most meaningful art
…and so much more!
This episode isn't just for parents or musicians - it's for anyone doing the tender, brave work of feeling more, honoring their voice, and bringing healing to the world. Heidi's story is proof that when we answer the call to authentic expression, even when it feels vulnerable, the impact can be massive.
Connect with Heidi Rojas:
Instagram @heidirojasmusic
I Am Enough Instagram @iamenoughsoyfuerteya
Website https://www.heidirojas.com
Connect with Ashley Logan:
Instagram @ashleydlogan
Website https://ashleydlogan.com/
Have a topic or guest you’d love to see featured on the Unapologetically Yours podcast? Send us an email: podcast@unapologeticallyyours.com
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I Yo soy la reina.
I am the maker.
You can bow down now or bow down later.
I don't need you to be my validator.
I am the healer, la curandera.
I'm starting fires, donning mavera.
Deep as an ocean, light as a feather.
Bring on the dragons.
I am the slayer.
Madre, madre, creator.
I am madre, creator.
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Hello and welcome to the unapologetically yours podcast.
I'm your host Ashley Logan unapologetically yours is a podcast where we go deep oneverything from spirituality to relationships and connection to business and belief
systems.
Because in a world when we've been taught to play by the rules, it's time to liveunapologetically.
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I am so, so excited.
I've been excited all
day in anticipation of our guests we have today.
I would love to introduce to you Heidi Rojas.
She is an artist, songwriter, author.
She's a mother of two, a proud first generation Latina living in an intergenerationalhousehold in Los Angeles.
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And she has been a beacon of joy, inspiration and song and music for me over the lastcouple of years.
And Heidi, welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
That means a lot.
It was fun because one of the first encounters that I had with you was your feelings songand a friend of mine who knows that, you know, I have three kids and at the time, I guess
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this was two years ago, they would have been three, five and seven.
I was absolutely in the trenches of life, of big, big change and your song.
for those who haven't heard.
When you're sad or afraid, let's talk about it.
Let's talk about it.
It is so beautiful and talks all about encouraging kids to share their feelings.
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And I found it so cathartic, not just for me, but also as a reminder to like how tosupport my kids and change the narrative about personal expression.
would love to hear about you and writing that song and, and
what it meant to you.
Yeah, thank you so much.
oh I wrote it probably nine months before I shared it with my son who was having a lot oflike, for the first time, he had never looked at me with rage in his face.
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Because he was this like sweet little boy.
And he was probably about, I would say getting into like the 16 to 18 month range where hejust like got so mad and he looked at me and just like,
filled with rage.
And I just thought, gosh, I think that's the moment for boys when, like, that's the momentwhen it depends on like what I do to harness and like, and, and, like, support his
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feelings, how he expresses them for the rest of his life.
It felt kind of like that pinnacle moment.
And so I, I decided to embrace the rage and
accept the rage and say, yes, he needs to get those feelings out.
So a lot of times we, as uh I grew up in the Latin culture, where a lot of it is like, wesuppress a lot of our feelings.
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We don't express a lot of our feelings, especially girls are told to be the quieter, theprettier, right?
so it's- my gosh, we've got to revisit that part because- Yeah.
And so I- Yeah.
And then how men are supposed to be.
And I just thought, gosh, if he bottles this up, it will just make him sick.
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Like we have, I have to find a way.
So I did put him, I put him in his crib to, you know, kind of like calm.
was nap time.
So I thought maybe we could rest after having this moment with him where I was like,listen, I get that you're really upset.
Like I get you, you look really angry.
I want to talk about that.
want to, um, experience it with you.
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I'm here to hold you and to be, you know, you're safe here to feel those feelings.
You know, he got so, he got kind of tired and I put him in his bed for nap.
And then I just start singing.
Like I'm trying to think like, how can I just sing something that makes, that reminds himof how he can express it in ways that are not like hitting and pushing and throwing
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something at people.
It's like, um, you know,
which is his instinct.
That is what his brain is capable of doing.
That's about max capacity for him is to just like throw something rage.
And if you think about it as adults, that's what I want to do too.
I don't, I don't blame him at all.
We don't do it.
Oftentimes, if we're not expressing our feelings in a healthy way, we're also suppressingand then it comes out in different ways.
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Right.
And so I just thought, how can I like put it simply where it, um, you know, because it'snot like I'm like,
naturally just a Disney princess who's gonna be like, see that you're so angry.
And I want you know, after he like throws a train at my head.
It's like, right, you got raised.
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Yeah, my instinct is to protect myself.
My instinct is to retaliate.
My instinct is to be really hurt and upset at the person who just threw this at me.
And so I have to regulate my own feelings in order to then co regulate and help him withhis
And so it was like this dance, this partnership that I needed something to help kind ofwalk us through it.
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So I just started singing, you know, most of the time when I feel really in this in needof creativity to really kind of unblock me from in a moment to really help me in a moment,
like the song just kind of came out.
So it was just this little thing that I sang.
I don't even know if I recorded it that day, but I just we sang it again and again.
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And it just became like
our little hymn, our little lullaby for me and my son and my daughter who was a coupleyears older.
And she was singing, she would sing it to her baby dolls and my son would sing it to mydaughter when she would get mad.
And we just, it was this part of our family.
And meanwhile, I'm releasing music I'm doing, I'm putting out Madly Creator and you know,Magic Room, all these other songs that I'm excited about.
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And...
not thinking anything of this little lullaby that I wrote.
It wasn't until my son started preschool was having, you know, anxiety like with meleaving, didn't want me to leave.
So like a week in to school, the teacher called and was like, you, um, you gotta come gethim.
He's not okay.
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And he's just like sitting there eating his black beans and like staring at a picture ofyou.
And it's just really sad.
then he's gotta come.
And I was like,
And of course I went right away and you know, we went home.
He was like, he was, he really was just like sitting there getting his black beans with alaminated picture of me, just looking at me and he just looked up and he goes, mom, let's
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go home.
And he just packed up his stuff and he went home and I put him down for his nap and I sangthe song through the little bars.
of like I had done a thousand times, but I just thought today I feel really proud.
Today I feel really like a really good mom.
I went and I was, I have the privilege of being able to go and pick up my son and I, andwe talked about how he felt and we, think we're going to get through this and he's going
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to love school someday, but today was not the day and I was okay.
That's okay.
And I just was there for him and I just felt really good and I just wanted to capture thatmoment.
And so he had already fallen asleep, but I sang
I sang it and recorded myself again.
And then I watched and I realized that his noise machine was on so you couldn't hear mesinging.
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So then I was like, dang it.
So I turned the noise machine off and I sang it again and I kept it for two or threeweeks.
Like I didn't think anything of it.
That was for me, you know?
And then one day I was like, I should just tell the story.
I'm just going to tell the story over that video of me.
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And it immediately started going viral.
it kind of changed.
Yeah, it just was really, it was wild because it went from a couple thousand views to amillion in like two days, three days.
And then now it's like it on seven and a half million and views from other videos of thatsong have had have no, you know, multiple millions of views.
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And um
So it tapped into something that we all really want to express and is our inner child andwhat he or she is feeling under the grownup exterior.
Oh my gosh.
A lot of people are learning to do that or realizing they need to do that for the firsttime in their adulthood.
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And I think a part of me feels that way too.
So it's been, I'm growing up with my kids.
Isn't it funny how like our kids can be such a mirror for us and such a mechanism forhealing and we get to as we see ourselves either repeating or not repeating those habits
or learn behaviors.
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And it gives us an opportunity to say, wait, that actually doesn't work with me.
Actually, no, I'm not going to tell my son to suppress his feelings.
I'm going to recognize that there is a way to encourage expression.
that feels authentic, that feels safe, that works for everyone and that communicates andsignals what a person is needing in that moment.
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And what an incredible foundation.
Motherhood has had the same impact on me where I start to say, don't know that I want todo that that exact same way.
Actually, this doesn't feel right.
And I wonder what it would be look what it would look like if I supported
my kid in a way that maybe I wasn't supported or the kids around me weren't supported.
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Yeah.
And I think the only, the best way that I know how to do that is through music.
I've always, I've been writing songs since I was little kids.
So it makes sense that my inner child would connect to my son in that way and just writesomething, you know, that we can sing together.
And his favorite way of expressing his hurt or sadness or anger is through
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breathing.
So he'll be upset and I know and I get down on my knees and I just, say, I'm here withyou, you know, and he says, mommy, will you tell me to take a deep breath?
say, okay, take a deep breath, Papa.
And then he takes, we take a deep breath together and he calms.
can feel his body release and he stops crying and he calms himself.
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And right now I'm, he's four.
And so I am his
like Buddy, the person who helps walk him through that.
I think eventually bittersweet, he won't need me to tell him to take a deep breath.
He'll just tell himself.
And that's going to be a really special moment.
But right now we walk through that, but he has a tool.
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He doesn't just cry for hours or for minutes ah on end.
We have a tool that helps him to calm himself down, which is pretty brilliant because Ithink
I may not have cried for a long time.
wasn't like a really loud crier for long periods of time.
I think I internalized my hurt, my sadness, my until I couldn't identify it anymore.
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I couldn't even, I had ignored it for so long that I didn't even, it was just likeflushing, flowing in and out so quickly that I couldn't even grab it enough to like
process it because I wasn't really naming it.
And then I just forgot how to even feel it.
And then I forgot to have, you know, and so, and it's not because of the way that I wasraised, really, it was just kind of messages that I picked up on that weren't even said
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necessarily to me, you know, stereotypes that I, that I believed and took on my for myselfand like my personality type and just, you know, things that I realized in my thirties as
I was raising kids were not serving me anymore.
my gosh, yes.
That self-reflection, it's so interesting to me.
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And one of the things that I think about a lot is those things that we carry knowingly andunknowingly that don't belong to us, roles that were written for someone else.
And in my life, the way that that showed up for me is made thousands of micro compromisesto set down the path of like, oh, this is what I should be doing.
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I started the business, I had the kids, had the marriage, all those things.
But actually, my one of my biggest signals for me because I also have been a singer mywhole life and started writing songs when I was little, I know where I'm not in the same
ballpark, but it was my way of expression.
And my grandmother asked me and we had the shared love of music.
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Maybe when my middle was one or two, she's like, what songs do you sing to your kids?
And I like
burst into tears.
And I was like, I am not singing to my children, the form of expression, what soothes mewhat calms my nervous system, that isn't even showing up for me.
And this is like, the part that connects me the most my inner child and realize that, likeI had created a life that didn't allow for feeling I was like, Am I am I here?
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And so, like, very, very, very quickly, like,
brought music back into my life and share that with my kids and through song and music, wehave that connection.
think that that's why your music resonated with me so much at that time.
It's like, my God, this is a tool and not just a tool for musicians.
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It's an ancient tool.
It's how we connected with one another through song and through music and the way thatcollective voices can soothe a nervous system and get heartbeats in sync.
And so really, I mean, thank you.
Oh, of course.
Thank you.
was an honor to share.
was overwhelmed by the response.
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I still am.
And I was writing songs since I was like eight years old.
And I always just wanted to write songs that made an impact that touched people, thathelped people.
And I spent 10 years writing songs for other artists.
with that same intention and then started putting out my own songs just as a exercise tocome back to myself after motherhood to find my own creative outlet with no expectation
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whatsoever of anything coming from it.
was for me.
It was a crazy decision I made end of 2023.
And it's been incredible and challenging and like
Yeah, just like such a growing experience to see the power of music and to feel like, wow,I just am so grateful to God and to my ancestors and to, you know, just like creative love
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and energy that I was chosen to kind of download these songs and share them with theworld.
It feels like a great honor and responsibility.
So it's a gift.
Yeah, it's a gift that I was so grateful.
I think that I love to is like, there's many people who won't answer the call.
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So when we get those divine, that divine guidance, that inspiration, and it takes courageto say, you know what, I am going to do that thing, I am going to trust that I am a
vehicle for something, I am a messenger for something.
And that that
your gift can help alchemize something in other people and trusting it that you don't evenknow the people that it's impacting the households that it's impacting.
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And so the fact that you trusted it is just such a beautiful thing.
One of the things I want to come back to that you said was about like, getting lost inmotherhood, motherhood, like what the fuck, it's such an amazing, amazing experience.
And the way that society sort of puts
women in this position of like, absolute sacrifice, absolute burnout.
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It's easy to lose that connection to ourselves, but it's ourselves that are the way thatwe carry our children forward.
So tell me a little bit about your experience and like kind of getting lost in that andfinding your way back.
Yeah.
Yeah, I felt really lost.
was, I got had my daughter in end of 2018.
And she, we had a
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I had a placental abruption when we were delivering.
And so that essentially means that the placenta was tearing from the uterus and so shewasn't getting oxygen.
So we had to get her out like immediately.
So I pushed so hard on the last push that they gave me before we would have to go to anemergency crash c-section is what they call it, where they have like minutes to get her
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out.
I just pushed so hard that I herniated a disc in my lower back.
And so I hadn't recovered.
hadn't even...
Bless your I hadn't even gone to the follow-up appointment for my back when I got pregnantagain with my son.
And then a month later, the pandemic hit.
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Oh my God.
Can we just pause for a second on that?
First, a traumatic birth is something that we...
I had a traumatic birth with my first.
She was a shoulder dystocia baby, which meant like kind of similar thing, like head out.
You have minutes.
I had like a nurse on top of me telling me to push, like it was, it was terrible.
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And so I can imagine your, like the fury of like, okay, I've got to this baby out.
And that in itself, that then coupled with your own injury and the recovery and thenhaving a newborn and figuring out all of the shit that goes with it.
And then you get pregnant again.
crazy.
Yeah.
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oh I know what we're thinking.
then, you know, for me, was definitely something like, I really wanted my kids to be closein age.
So it was always going to be that way.
I just kind of was in like, you know, like it wasn't like what's best for me?
What should I do for myself?
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We don't really.
Well, and also, I think that we don't totally realize it's like,
Because I did the same thing.
I had kids right one after the next.
And that was never the question.
That was never the issue.
But the issue was like, what was the support that I got in between that?
Who was looking after me to make sure that I was taking care of all those parts of me tonot totally disagree?
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Yeah, that's a great point.
And I think the support would have been there for me if I had advocated for myself andknown actually what I needed.
But I didn't and I just kept plowing through.
So I'm like, just stopped breastfeeding and then all of a sudden I'm pregnant again, thepandemic hits.
My son is born September, 2020 and then I'm breastfeeding again and then, you know, justlike in it.
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And then I have two toddlers all of a sudden.
then my, I heard, so over the time, cause my kids are just gigantic.
I herniated two more discs in my lower back and then three in my neck.
And, um,
And so it, and it just, the pain just kept getting worse and worse because you try andtelling a two year old who wants mommy to carry her all the time.
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And then my son who wants me to carry him and has, I have to pull him out of the crib andput him back in the crib.
There's just no other options.
we're just, we're carrying 23rd, slinging these little kids around.
And, uh, and so, yeah, just kept picking up getting worse and worse.
So I,
Yeah.
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Around end of 2020, during like the summer of 2023, my dad was diagnosed with the stageone, thankfully throat cancer.
He's in remission, but it was really, it really rocked my world.
It sent my parents to Houston or MD Anderson for treatment.
And my parents leaving left me with my amazing husband who is gringo.
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He's like white, which is fantastic.
But also like my parents,
were, they live next door.
they were my culture.
They were my home.
were my black beans and rice.
They were my, you know, music.
were my everything.
And so when they left, I was with my white husband and my half white kids and, and likeall of my friends that didn't really represent my, my Latino culture at all.
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And I just, it kind of went through an identity crisis where I was just like, my God, whatif, what, what of me, if my parents don't come back, you know, who am I?
And also why does my community not reflect my heritage?
Why does, you know, and so once I started really understand like unpacking my Latinidadand what it has felt like in white spaces and in Latino spaces and why it's hard to show
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up sometimes in both.
That's when I wrote my first song for myself.
And then from there I wrote another one and then another one and then another one.
And all of sudden my
community starts shifting because my music and my new sense of identity is attractingpeople who are like-minded, who are aligned in values, not just as people, as women, as
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mothers.
All of a sudden I have friends who celebrate me when I walk out of the room.
And I had never experienced that before because I was looking for all the wrongfriendships.
Because I was the wrong type of, I was not showing up as my...
So then I know who I am.
my gosh.
I don't want to cut you off.
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But I just want to say one thing because this is so, so, so important.
And I think that this is one of the most, when you show up authentically, when any womanshows up authentically, then you attract the people who will be your mirror.
You attract the people.
your vibe attracts your tribe, but it's more than that.
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when you're honest with yourself about your needs and who you are, everything shifts andit's such, it's a beautiful and an important thing.
And so um I just wanted to acknowledge that.
No, it's, and it changes everything, right?
It changes.
um I used to have FOMO like hardcore when my friends would get together.
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Cause I, was afraid like if I'm not there, they're going to talk about me and what aterrible food.
Yeah.
m
No, what an awful thing.
I just, had to be there.
had to be everywhere.
But I really didn't actually want to be there.
I wanted to just trust and you know, but I didn't, had trust issues, but there I amshowing up as a different version of myself, not, you know, fully embracing all of me and
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therefore probably not fully embracing all of them.
uh
in order to raise a daughter who was really knew who she was, who's really just like, allthe things that I want to be, I realized like, I just need to be them.
I don't need to tell her how to exist.
I don't need to tell her how to be confident.
I just need to show her.
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Amen to that.
Yeah, like I started taking it very seriously.
Like who I am now is going to shape who my daughter becomes.
My inner voice needs to be kind.
And so I can tell you now after
I've been in therapy for 10 years.
I still meet with somebody once a week.
I've done a lot of work on myself.
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And so I can tell you that my, my inner voice, my self talk is super kind.
Like I'm really nice to myself.
And, um, I look at my body and I don't criticize her because she fucking made two people.
made like you grew two humans.
I say modic creator, when I sing,
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the songs about, you know, women and how incredible we are.
I believe that about myself.
And, you know, it's a, it's an everyday practice.
It's not like, you know, unkind thoughts don't ever occur in my mind, but I really, cantalk my way through them.
Whereas before they used to, they used to eat away at my mind, you know?
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And so, and I think that that's just through osmosis through
energy through, um, it's going to impact the way that my daughter looks and thinks aboutherself too.
And I can see it like she is one confident chick.
Like she, I think by the time I was six, six already, I had, was, there were insecurities,was shame and guilt already.
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There were things that I had already taken on that a young child shouldn't have had tothink about.
And I think she's just like unapologetically just herself and people are attracted tothat.
wants, everyone wants to be her friend.
And it's just exciting to raise kids who you can see are like this like healed version ofyou because they're going to just have, they're 30 years ahead of you, know, 35.
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I'll be three weeks.
So they're almost 40 years ahead of you.
And I'm just like,
Oh, you.
They're going to take on the world.
They're going to be fine even with everything, you know, all the scary ways the world ischanging.
Yeah.
Well, I think that we again, like going back to, know, in some ways, like most of us don'tview ourselves as liars.
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But many of us are because relying to ourselves about what works for us, relying toourselves about what full expression looks like, relying to ourselves about what rules we
want to follow and
I love that you're giving both of your children that gift of authenticity because as humanbeings, we want to be part of a herd.
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We want to be part of something, a community.
It's part of what makes us feel safe.
It's got to be the right one.
And that part of us makes it easy to compromise.
makes it easy to kind of blend in, but that's not the way.
And so what I love about Madre
creator, like what a fucking anthem to motherhood.
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because like that power within us is what should be celebrated.
A part of what makes a herd so strong are the individuals who are part of it playingdifferent roles.
Not everyone playing the same role or looking the same or feeling the same.
And it's a hard lesson for women, especially to learn when
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so many messages about our looks and demeanor have been especially for our age range whereum we're really hammered with those lessons growing, growing up.
So what a gift that you're giving your daughters and your son, your daughter and your son.
So it's funny because I've been I love Madre Creator.
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And it's can you just share the lyrics?
for with everyone listening, because it's their fetish.
um
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It's a, that's it.
For the most part I have, there's three versions because I, I released the, you know, theoriginal is just like a fun dancing with my friends version.
And then the second one is um the mommy and me, the video that went massively viral.
And then the, like a drum, you know, this, when sisters, the one drum are this beautifulgroup of women who channeled the ceremonial drum in a beautiful way.
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And we got together and did a version as well.
It's so fun.
And what I think is that reminder is like that when you recognize the gifts of then thepower that you have within, then you can do anything.
And I've noticed like some people really get the message.
And then I'm in your comment section.
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It's like some people are like, well, you you think you're God.
And it's like, yeah, yes, we I am God.
Like I was like, I am God.
But like,
Yes, we do have that power within us.
It's God given, God wants it to recognize it within us.
And that's our power to raise children.
It's our power to be in our fullest expression, to live a life of, not just a life of ourdreams, but a life that's fully aligned and impactful and good.
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Absolutely.
I can agree more.
And I think that's the biggest work I've done as far as like, really kind of unpacking myreligious upbringing.
I was raised
very Christian, went to church every Sunday, every Wednesday, was in our team and groupand all the things.
And I realized that I think the people in the comments that are most upset by the song arereligious people who feel that I'm trying to take the steel thunder from God.
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And it's like, actually, I think that what religion does that I'm not cool with is createa gatekeeper or create that only through this
group or this building or this other people, like, um, can you have access to God?
And I actually think God is just absolutely within me doing all of, all of the awesomethings I do are, are God led.
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And so when I own that, when I say God is working through me, I don't actually needanything else.
I don't need any external support to validate that God is doing incredible work in mebecause while
I'm not trying to take credit for making like, I made a vagina, I made a penis, I madeeyeballs, I made all these things inside my body.
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two people were formed.
It's not like I was writing the formula and busy up all night making these things.
was God has chosen me to be a portal of life.
We're like aliens, women are unbelievable.
If I can do that, I can.
kind of walking out of, to answer your question from before, like also walking out of thisreally hard stage of motherhood where I was kind of hard on myself for like forgetting
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where I put the car keys and I was kind of like, you know, hard on myself for like, Iplanning enough play dates?
It's actually like, I just did something that men cannot do that like no other, I mean, wewe populate the world like,
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And I can do anything.
if I'm sitting here going, I don't know, can I put out songs?
Can I, I don't know, should I apply for the whatever?
It's like, fuck yeah.
Like do it.
You just did the hardest thing that there is to do.
It wasn't your strength.
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wasn't my path.
Like I'm this supernatural human.
It was God within me.
orchestrating and doing and creating the whole thing.
So I'm not trying to take away from the power of God.
I'm embracing it and honoring it within me.
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And so I get it.
I understand because it's different words.
There's a whole jargon to religious speak.
And so if I'm not using it properly in their way, then this is gonna feel like blasphemyand I respect that.
But.
I am a very spiritual person who knows the teachings of God and can say that it's just,I'm just honor.
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it's what somebody said the other day, he was like, what radicalized you?
And it's like God, teachings of God.
And so Mother Greater comes from my embracing the power of God within me.
And um it just.
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in the same words that the church taught me, I'm, but it's all the same.
I'm with you.
And I was also raised very religious and deeply spiritual, very connected to God and takeissue with organized religion because of the weaponization of some of that vernacular that
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actually diminishes, especially women.
And it wasn't the intention.
I don't believe it was the intention all along.
I think that if you study the word of Mary Magdalene, it's all about when you find thatthat self love that you can access in heaven, it's the connection to God that happens from
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within when you're in full alignment and that that is what Jesus, what God wanted for usbecause
we can have heaven on earth right here, right now, when we cut the bullshit, basically,and be in the spirit of love and divinity and connection with one another.
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And so I think it is the most Christian, not organized standpoint, but most Christianperspective to celebrate the absolute beauty, the life, the love, the creation within.
each individual person and especially within women as that vehicle of love and light.
And it's that lack of appreciation that has gotten us to where we are right now in a stateof affairs, politically, culturally, that is so disembodied.
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And so I what then resonated with me so much about your music is that it's an invitationfor embodiment.
It's an invitation to
to have that total self love.
And I appreciate that so much.
And your most recent song, I fell in love with a woman.
I just fell in love with a woman.
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I think that takes it to that next level about appreciation of the feminine.
Thank you.
Yeah, that song is, it is just my self love anthem.
just feels like, and I think it's also falling in love with, I fell in love with a woman.
Like I felt just falling in love with women in general and the...
power that we have.
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The older that I get, the more I was talking to my girlfriends because one of them wasvulnerable and shared like how she feels like her.
She's hard on her body.
She's tough on her body.
made, you know, she made two people in her body.
This idea that women have to bounce back.
have to look like they've never had kids, like in order to successfully have kids.
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and I think it's just, I think it's cruel and
the pressure that we sometimes put on ourselves to look a certain way.
And I find that I can look at a girl in her early twenties and she's at the pool and I'mlike, go girl.
She's got flat abs and she's got no perfect skin, no cellulite.
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Hi, kitties.
Like everything.
And I'm like, go girl.
But then I also know she has so much to learn.
She has...
so much to go through.
She has so much to experience.
so when you look at the body of a woman who has had children and you look at thecellulite, you look at the gray hairs, you look at the wrinkles, and I just think that's
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earned wisdom.
I think it's so beautiful and brave and sexy.
And so as I fall in love with the versions of myself and my body that I'm becoming,
I look at the women around me and I just wish so deeply that they saw what I see, youknow, and that they saw the, just how beautiful it is to get older because it shows, it's
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just evidence of our um time here, of the way that we've learned and grown and healed andgrown wiser.
And so that song is really just me falling in love with women in general, but also withmyself and realizing like we're just these
regal, beautiful beings that I think society and I think government, think, you know,historically have just been intimidated by.
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Men are intimidated by the power and the wisdom and the ability to feel deeply and alsocreate safe and beautiful spaces for people that empower and uh
help people just find their best selves.
And so I think, you know, we're seeing it now with these like man, children leadingcountries all over the world.
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then, you look at countries like Switzerland and New Zealand, and you're just like, oh.
Another way is possible.
Another way is possible.
And it makes perfect sense.
And it makes sense why the structure has tried so hard to silence us, to make us feellike, you're, you know, we're irrelevant.
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And I think that my desire to put out music at 37, I was 37 when I put out my first singleever, was a rebellion, an act of rebellion against that.
Because I worked in the music industry that says that after 27 years old, you know, that'sold for
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music industry, you have no relevance.
There's nothing more that you could possibly have to say.
And as I was getting older and I was mothering and I listened, you know, listening to thetop 40, I was just like, Oh my God, I don't feel represented here at all.
I don't have this like sad girl pop angst.
I don't have this.
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I'm in a healthy relationship.
I'm not filled with regret.
Like the lyrics are just, they don't resonate.
at all with me and wearing that.
And so there has to be an audience of people like me who need songs that make them feelsafe in their bodies, that make them feel empowered.
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And seen.
Well, that's exactly it.
It's that when we don't have that representation, know, that requires someone to bravelytake that step forward, to say, I'm going to be different.
I'm going to choose it.
and people may talk, people may shift your herd of people who are around you.
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And all of that is for the greater good of carving.
Someone has to carve the riverbed.
And I always think about elephants and like these matriarchal elephants are the ones whoare carving rivers and helping to...
create a path for society to flow through to show that there is a better way.
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And when it comes to women helping women to wake up, there's like such a hostile tone tothat now, like on social wake up people.
It's also like, no, but like really, this is an invitation to awaken to the power withinto say, no, today I'm not going to keep telling that lie that I belong in this circle.
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I'm not going to keep telling that lie that I'm not.
creative or even not.
am going to allow myself to be in my fullest expression.
I am going to allow myself to write the song and trust that whatever will happen, theimpact that it makes may ripple a little bit or may ripple a lot.
And all of that is helping us move the collective towards a better future, morepossibility, more alignment, more beauty and more love.
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I love that.
And then I'm on board.
I want to go there.
You're doing it mama.
You are doing it.
And you're one of the voices that is making a change and helping to inspire.
And I know that you absolutely inspired me.
when I heard it first, like I said, you're the lullaby that moved me.
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And then I was like, moderate creator.
was like, holy shit.
Yes, I am.
And, um, and I want to, yeah, I made three.
Children and I grew them in my body and we have the choice about how we show up for ourchildren and I think that what is really interesting to me as you think about that like 20
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year old woman is honoring loving her all of the things and loving all of those versionsof ourselves but as healers as changemakers as people who are making a difference in the
world we've got to look at the past and we've got to reach also towards our
parents and to the people who came before us and offer them a safe space because I know Ithink about my mom and there was so much that she had to keep silent because she wasn't
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safe to fully express or had to follow by a different set of rules and now we get thisopportunity to heal the future and heal the past and really make a difference.
It's a beautiful thing.
is.
No pressure to women today.
No, it is.
And it's, it is no pressure in the sense like
Um, it takes somebody told me something the other day, uh, that really impacted me whereshe was like, you may not see the fruit.
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We have to accept that like, we may be the generation that pushes, you know, we may notsee the fruit of that birth, like the labor, you know, of our labor.
And that has to be okay.
That's okay.
Like sometimes we're not the ones who like experience the mass growth.
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generationally, but like we're gonna work really hard because we've got kids that we leavebehind.
And if the world is, I believe the world will be better for us, but if the world is betterfor them, and we're the ones who are like in the trenches, like, you know, fighting for it
for the rest of our lives, like, I'm cool with that too, you know?
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Yeah.
But again, I'd love to see it, but you know, those ripples, it's it's ripple and it startswith expression.
starts with people following that little, knowing that, you know what, today I'm going towrite a song, today I'm going to sing it, today I'm going to publish it.
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I'm going to put it out there on the internet.
And that whatever that idea might be, writing a poem, creating a piece of art, doing thething, that is what moves the needle.
And we never know the people that were impacted.
We never know that the change that we're making, we never know the seeds that we'replanting.
So I have one more question for you, my dear.
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And that is, how are you showing up unapologetically?
That's a good question.
think right now I am, so I'm balancing, um, intense and deep heartbreak.
This year has been really tough for our country, but Los Angeles, where I live,
has been through it.
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January, we had the fires.
my people are being hunted on the streets.
And it's been really tough.
I am honoring the heartbreak.
I'm also dealing with the shifting and changing of relationships, people who I love, whoI'm not in alignment with politically, which I feel like is no longer a political thing.
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I think it's a
human values issue.
And so I'm, you know, shifting relationships in my family, grieving the change ofrelationships in my family.
also, you know, carrying just so much hurt and sadness and loss.
so, and then every day that we go online, I'm trying to decide how I'm showing up online,how I show up to the information for the things that are happening every day, because I
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know that we were not created for this kind of lifestyle, for this information load everyday.
And then also expected to show up like present and filled with love and abundance from mychildren who deserve the best of me.
But I just heard the most heart wrenching thing that just happened again, right?
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And so the way I can show up most unapologetically is like my kids have summer break.
until August 12th.
And then they start school.
They're going to be seven and five.
They think I'm super cool right now.
They love me.
They think I'm the coolest.
And that's not going to last forever.
And so I'm not doing we're not doing camps this summer.
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We're just going to hang out.
We're going to go through photos from when I was a kid and reorganize them.
We're going to go to museums.
We're going to go to movies.
We're going to go to
bowling.
We've done so much already in the last week and a half since they finished school.
I'm not posting pictures.
I'm not posting.
I was posting every day for a year and a half.
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Then I went to five days a week.
I was really showing up consistently.
I was saying, I want to be there for everybody.
I was commenting on everyone's comment.
I was DMing everybody back.
I was really seriously taking my role as whatever it is that I am for, you know,
because I'm still, it's only been two years, I'm still trying to figure that out.
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And I'm saying, no, this is my time.
This is for me and my kids my summer.
So if I'm going to post once a week, you know, for the next eight weeks, that'll be eightvideos.
That feels really doable.
That feels if I may not comment on everybody's, I'm not looking at my DMs right now.
I'm really just showing up to my family, my kiddos every day.
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and giving them the best of me, trying to figure out how to give the best of my husbandand not just be this like frail person that comes and says, did you see what happened to
us?
You know, and, you know, try to also be strong for him so he doesn't have to hold me, youknow, and comfort me all the time.
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Cause then who comforts him?
like just trying to show up for my parents, trying to like really focusing on my triberight now.
And then I know that when I'm ready and when I'm strong, I'll come back to my online tribeand I will be that support.
will have news.
I have so many new songs to share.
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um Like so many songs that I'm really excited about and that I just feel I must sharethem, right?
Like it's just it would be wrong to.
So I'm but I I'm trying to figure out how can I show up?
sustainably, authentically to share them.
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That feels like I'm also showing up for my people here who need me a little bit more rightnow.
I need them a little bit more.
Hanging out with my kids is so brilliant because they don't know anything that's reallygoing on.
I share with them little, you know, bits here and there.
Sunday, the Sunday of some mom friends and I, we put together a little playdate protest.
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And right now we've got like
over 60 RSVPs for moms who are just going to bring their kids, we're going to make signs,we're going to sing, you know, yell chants together, and we're going to give them a safe
little space at this park to protest to use their First Amendment right.
And we're going to make little noisemakers.
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I'm going to read my children's book, um I'm Enough, Soifweteya, Celebrating Immigrants,and we're going to...
um
make sure our kids know in a really safe way what's happening and how they can advocatefor those who are struggling.
And so that's, I think, how I need to show up.
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I'm not sorry for stepping away.
I need this.
And that is how I can unapologetically just be there for myself and for my little people,my people.
I think that's so brave to acknowledge.
Yeah.
It's what I need.
It's how I can navigate this new, I think it's a new life, right?
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Like we, my parents, they got the newspaper on Sundays.
That's the information that they had, right?
And now we have information at the tip of our fingertips of what's happening all over theworld, all the time.
And our brains are not created to hold all of that.
I'm deeply feeling
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deep empathetic person.
so I can, you know, it's, it's just not sustainable.
I have to figure out how to balance all of it.
And so I think this summer to just, yeah, take that time.
So long answer to a pretty short question.
I'm not showing, that's how I'm showing up unapologetically right now.
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I'm sitting with that because it resonates in so many ways.
And what is happening?
I'm in, I'm based in Chicago.
And what's happening in LA is just, it's atrocious.
And I think that when we have the chance to sometimes our biggest protest is by giving ourkids space to feel by being present with them and taking care of our own needs.
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And I think that that is such a sign of growth and community and know that all of yourpals online will be ready for you whenever you are.
that we.
Can't wait to receive your new music because if I know anything, it's from the heart.
It's going to be deeply impactful and rooted in spirit.
And not that you need my validation, but just offering support and love means so much.
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Thank you.
So how can people find you?
Yes, please on Heidi Rojas Music.
It's R-O-J-A-S, Heidi Rojas Music on all social media platforms.
And then just Heidi Rojas on Spotify, Apple Music, iTunes.
those music platforms as well.
And then through Heidi Rojas.com, can join my email list where I send out an email everycouple of weeks, just checking in, sharing kind of, you know, from my heart.
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And yeah, thank you so much.
I really appreciate your time and your love and your, um, I think I feel like you justlike sprinkled glitter, just the glitter dust all over me today.
And I, needed that.
Oh, well, I love that.
I'm so glad that you were able to come on the show.
We're so grateful.
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I will share all of my favorite Heidi songs with the audience so that you guys can see andsome of the sweetest videos of like her laying on the ground in front of a crib.
And I know all of you moms listening have been there before.
And now you have a little solution about what to do instead of sitting there cryingyourself be like, what the fuck do I do to stop crying baby?
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Because it doesn't calm your kid's nervous system to sing along with her.
It'll at least calm your own.
And that's what music and singing is all about.
So thank you so much all for tuning in.
Thank you so much, Heidi, for being here.
I'm Ashley.
This is Heidi.
And we are unapologetically yours.
I Yo soy la reina.
I am the maker.
You can bow down now or bow down later.
I don't need you to be my validator.
I am the healer, la curandera.
I'm starting fires, donning mavera.
Deep as an ocean, light as a feather.
Bring on the dragons.
I am the slayer.
Madre, madre, creator.
I am madre, creator.
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Hello and welcome to the unapologetically yours podcast.
I'm your host Ashley Logan unapologetically yours is a podcast where we go deep oneverything from spirituality to relationships and connection to business and belief
systems.
Because in a world when we've been taught to play by the rules, it's time to liveunapologetically.
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I am so, so excited.
I've been excited all
day in anticipation of our guests we have today.
I would love to introduce to you Heidi Rojas.
She is an artist, songwriter, author.
She's a mother of two, a proud first generation Latina living in an intergenerationalhousehold in Los Angeles.
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And she has been a beacon of joy, inspiration and song and music for me over the lastcouple of years.
And Heidi, welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
That means a lot.
It was fun because one of the first encounters that I had with you was your feelings songand a friend of mine who knows that, you know, I have three kids and at the time, I guess
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this was two years ago, they would have been three, five and seven.
I was absolutely in the trenches of life, of big, big change and your song.
for those who haven't heard.
When you're sad or afraid, let's talk about it.
Let's talk about it.
It is so beautiful and talks all about encouraging kids to share their feelings.
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And I found it so cathartic, not just for me, but also as a reminder to like how tosupport my kids and change the narrative about personal expression.
would love to hear about you and writing that song and, and
what it meant to you.
Yeah, thank you so much.
oh I wrote it probably nine months before I shared it with my son who was having a lot oflike, for the first time, he had never looked at me with rage in his face.
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Because he was this like sweet little boy.
And he was probably about, I would say getting into like the 16 to 18 month range where hejust like got so mad and he looked at me and just like,
filled with rage.
And I just thought, gosh, I think that's the moment for boys when, like, that's the momentwhen it depends on like what I do to harness and like, and, and, like, support his
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feelings, how he expresses them for the rest of his life.
It felt kind of like that pinnacle moment.
And so I, I decided to embrace the rage and
accept the rage and say, yes, he needs to get those feelings out.
So a lot of times we, as uh I grew up in the Latin culture, where a lot of it is like, wesuppress a lot of our feelings.
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We don't express a lot of our feelings, especially girls are told to be the quieter, theprettier, right?
so it's- my gosh, we've got to revisit that part because- Yeah.
And so I- Yeah.
And then how men are supposed to be.
And I just thought, gosh, if he bottles this up, it will just make him sick.
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Like we have, I have to find a way.
So I did put him, I put him in his crib to, you know, kind of like calm.
was nap time.
So I thought maybe we could rest after having this moment with him where I was like,listen, I get that you're really upset.
Like I get you, you look really angry.
I want to talk about that.
want to, um, experience it with you.
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I'm here to hold you and to be, you know, you're safe here to feel those feelings.
You know, he got so, he got kind of tired and I put him in his bed for nap.
And then I just start singing.
Like I'm trying to think like, how can I just sing something that makes, that reminds himof how he can express it in ways that are not like hitting and pushing and throwing
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something at people.
It's like, um, you know,
which is his instinct.
That is what his brain is capable of doing.
That's about max capacity for him is to just like throw something rage.
And if you think about it as adults, that's what I want to do too.
I don't, I don't blame him at all.
We don't do it.
Oftentimes, if we're not expressing our feelings in a healthy way, we're also suppressingand then it comes out in different ways.
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Right.
And so I just thought, how can I like put it simply where it, um, you know, because it'snot like I'm like,
naturally just a Disney princess who's gonna be like, see that you're so angry.
And I want you know, after he like throws a train at my head.
It's like, right, you got raised.
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Yeah, my instinct is to protect myself.
My instinct is to retaliate.
My instinct is to be really hurt and upset at the person who just threw this at me.
And so I have to regulate my own feelings in order to then co regulate and help him withhis
And so it was like this dance, this partnership that I needed something to help kind ofwalk us through it.
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So I just started singing, you know, most of the time when I feel really in this in needof creativity to really kind of unblock me from in a moment to really help me in a moment,
like the song just kind of came out.
So it was just this little thing that I sang.
I don't even know if I recorded it that day, but I just we sang it again and again.
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And it just became like
our little hymn, our little lullaby for me and my son and my daughter who was a coupleyears older.
And she was singing, she would sing it to her baby dolls and my son would sing it to mydaughter when she would get mad.
And we just, it was this part of our family.
And meanwhile, I'm releasing music I'm doing, I'm putting out Madly Creator and you know,Magic Room, all these other songs that I'm excited about.
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And...
not thinking anything of this little lullaby that I wrote.
It wasn't until my son started preschool was having, you know, anxiety like with meleaving, didn't want me to leave.
So like a week in to school, the teacher called and was like, you, um, you gotta come gethim.
He's not okay.
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And he's just like sitting there eating his black beans and like staring at a picture ofyou.
And it's just really sad.
then he's gotta come.
And I was like,
And of course I went right away and you know, we went home.
He was like, he was, he really was just like sitting there getting his black beans with alaminated picture of me, just looking at me and he just looked up and he goes, mom, let's
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go home.
And he just packed up his stuff and he went home and I put him down for his nap and I sangthe song through the little bars.
of like I had done a thousand times, but I just thought today I feel really proud.
Today I feel really like a really good mom.
I went and I was, I have the privilege of being able to go and pick up my son and I, andwe talked about how he felt and we, think we're going to get through this and he's going
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to love school someday, but today was not the day and I was okay.
That's okay.
And I just was there for him and I just felt really good and I just wanted to capture thatmoment.
And so he had already fallen asleep, but I sang
I sang it and recorded myself again.
And then I watched and I realized that his noise machine was on so you couldn't hear mesinging.
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So then I was like, dang it.
So I turned the noise machine off and I sang it again and I kept it for two or threeweeks.
Like I didn't think anything of it.
That was for me, you know?
And then one day I was like, I should just tell the story.
I'm just going to tell the story over that video of me.
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And it immediately started going viral.
it kind of changed.
Yeah, it just was really, it was wild because it went from a couple thousand views to amillion in like two days, three days.
And then now it's like it on seven and a half million and views from other videos of thatsong have had have no, you know, multiple millions of views.
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And um
So it tapped into something that we all really want to express and is our inner child andwhat he or she is feeling under the grownup exterior.
Oh my gosh.
A lot of people are learning to do that or realizing they need to do that for the firsttime in their adulthood.
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And I think a part of me feels that way too.
So it's been, I'm growing up with my kids.
Isn't it funny how like our kids can be such a mirror for us and such a mechanism forhealing and we get to as we see ourselves either repeating or not repeating those habits
or learn behaviors.
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And it gives us an opportunity to say, wait, that actually doesn't work with me.
Actually, no, I'm not going to tell my son to suppress his feelings.
I'm going to recognize that there is a way to encourage expression.
that feels authentic, that feels safe, that works for everyone and that communicates andsignals what a person is needing in that moment.
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And what an incredible foundation.
Motherhood has had the same impact on me where I start to say, don't know that I want todo that that exact same way.
Actually, this doesn't feel right.
And I wonder what it would be look what it would look like if I supported
my kid in a way that maybe I wasn't supported or the kids around me weren't supported.
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Yeah.
And I think the only, the best way that I know how to do that is through music.
I've always, I've been writing songs since I was little kids.
So it makes sense that my inner child would connect to my son in that way and just writesomething, you know, that we can sing together.
And his favorite way of expressing his hurt or sadness or anger is through
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breathing.
So he'll be upset and I know and I get down on my knees and I just, say, I'm here withyou, you know, and he says, mommy, will you tell me to take a deep breath?
say, okay, take a deep breath, Papa.
And then he takes, we take a deep breath together and he calms.
can feel his body release and he stops crying and he calms himself.
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And right now I'm, he's four.
And so I am his
like Buddy, the person who helps walk him through that.
I think eventually bittersweet, he won't need me to tell him to take a deep breath.
He'll just tell himself.
And that's going to be a really special moment.
But right now we walk through that, but he has a tool.
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He doesn't just cry for hours or for minutes ah on end.
We have a tool that helps him to calm himself down, which is pretty brilliant because Ithink
I may not have cried for a long time.
wasn't like a really loud crier for long periods of time.
I think I internalized my hurt, my sadness, my until I couldn't identify it anymore.
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I couldn't even, I had ignored it for so long that I didn't even, it was just likeflushing, flowing in and out so quickly that I couldn't even grab it enough to like
process it because I wasn't really naming it.
And then I just forgot how to even feel it.
And then I forgot to have, you know, and so, and it's not because of the way that I wasraised, really, it was just kind of messages that I picked up on that weren't even said
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necessarily to me, you know, stereotypes that I, that I believed and took on my for myselfand like my personality type and just, you know, things that I realized in my thirties as
I was raising kids were not serving me anymore.
my gosh, yes.
That self-reflection, it's so interesting to me.
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And one of the things that I think about a lot is those things that we carry knowingly andunknowingly that don't belong to us, roles that were written for someone else.
And in my life, the way that that showed up for me is made thousands of micro compromisesto set down the path of like, oh, this is what I should be doing.
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I started the business, I had the kids, had the marriage, all those things.
But actually, my one of my biggest signals for me because I also have been a singer mywhole life and started writing songs when I was little, I know where I'm not in the same
ballpark, but it was my way of expression.
And my grandmother asked me and we had the shared love of music.
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Maybe when my middle was one or two, she's like, what songs do you sing to your kids?
And I like
burst into tears.
And I was like, I am not singing to my children, the form of expression, what soothes mewhat calms my nervous system, that isn't even showing up for me.
And this is like, the part that connects me the most my inner child and realize that, likeI had created a life that didn't allow for feeling I was like, Am I am I here?
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And so, like, very, very, very quickly, like,
brought music back into my life and share that with my kids and through song and music, wehave that connection.
think that that's why your music resonated with me so much at that time.
It's like, my God, this is a tool and not just a tool for musicians.
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It's an ancient tool.
It's how we connected with one another through song and through music and the way thatcollective voices can soothe a nervous system and get heartbeats in sync.
And so really, I mean, thank you.
Oh, of course.
Thank you.
was an honor to share.
was overwhelmed by the response.
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I still am.
And I was writing songs since I was like eight years old.
And I always just wanted to write songs that made an impact that touched people, thathelped people.
And I spent 10 years writing songs for other artists.
with that same intention and then started putting out my own songs just as a exercise tocome back to myself after motherhood to find my own creative outlet with no expectation
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whatsoever of anything coming from it.
was for me.
It was a crazy decision I made end of 2023.
And it's been incredible and challenging and like
Yeah, just like such a growing experience to see the power of music and to feel like, wow,I just am so grateful to God and to my ancestors and to, you know, just like creative love
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and energy that I was chosen to kind of download these songs and share them with theworld.
It feels like a great honor and responsibility.
So it's a gift.
Yeah, it's a gift that I was so grateful.
I think that I love to is like, there's many people who won't answer the call.
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So when we get those divine, that divine guidance, that inspiration, and it takes courageto say, you know what, I am going to do that thing, I am going to trust that I am a
vehicle for something, I am a messenger for something.
And that that
your gift can help alchemize something in other people and trusting it that you don't evenknow the people that it's impacting the households that it's impacting.
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And so the fact that you trusted it is just such a beautiful thing.
One of the things I want to come back to that you said was about like, getting lost inmotherhood, motherhood, like what the fuck, it's such an amazing, amazing experience.
And the way that society sort of puts
women in this position of like, absolute sacrifice, absolute burnout.
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It's easy to lose that connection to ourselves, but it's ourselves that are the way thatwe carry our children forward.
So tell me a little bit about your experience and like kind of getting lost in that andfinding your way back.
Yeah.
Yeah, I felt really lost.
was, I got had my daughter in end of 2018.
And she, we had a
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I had a placental abruption when we were delivering.
And so that essentially means that the placenta was tearing from the uterus and so shewasn't getting oxygen.
So we had to get her out like immediately.
So I pushed so hard on the last push that they gave me before we would have to go to anemergency crash c-section is what they call it, where they have like minutes to get her
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out.
I just pushed so hard that I herniated a disc in my lower back.
And so I hadn't recovered.
hadn't even...
Bless your I hadn't even gone to the follow-up appointment for my back when I got pregnantagain with my son.
And then a month later, the pandemic hit.
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Oh my God.
Can we just pause for a second on that?
First, a traumatic birth is something that we...
I had a traumatic birth with my first.
She was a shoulder dystocia baby, which meant like kind of similar thing, like head out.
You have minutes.
I had like a nurse on top of me telling me to push, like it was, it was terrible.
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And so I can imagine your, like the fury of like, okay, I've got to this baby out.
And that in itself, that then coupled with your own injury and the recovery and thenhaving a newborn and figuring out all of the shit that goes with it.
And then you get pregnant again.
crazy.
Yeah.
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oh I know what we're thinking.
then, you know, for me, was definitely something like, I really wanted my kids to be closein age.
So it was always going to be that way.
I just kind of was in like, you know, like it wasn't like what's best for me?
What should I do for myself?
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We don't really.
Well, and also, I think that we don't totally realize it's like,
Because I did the same thing.
I had kids right one after the next.
And that was never the question.
That was never the issue.
But the issue was like, what was the support that I got in between that?
Who was looking after me to make sure that I was taking care of all those parts of me tonot totally disagree?
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Yeah, that's a great point.
And I think the support would have been there for me if I had advocated for myself andknown actually what I needed.
But I didn't and I just kept plowing through.
So I'm like, just stopped breastfeeding and then all of a sudden I'm pregnant again, thepandemic hits.
My son is born September, 2020 and then I'm breastfeeding again and then, you know, justlike in it.
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And then I have two toddlers all of a sudden.
then my, I heard, so over the time, cause my kids are just gigantic.
I herniated two more discs in my lower back and then three in my neck.
And, um,
And so it, and it just, the pain just kept getting worse and worse because you try andtelling a two year old who wants mommy to carry her all the time.
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And then my son who wants me to carry him and has, I have to pull him out of the crib andput him back in the crib.
There's just no other options.
we're just, we're carrying 23rd, slinging these little kids around.
And, uh, and so, yeah, just kept picking up getting worse and worse.
So I,
Yeah.
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Around end of 2020, during like the summer of 2023, my dad was diagnosed with the stageone, thankfully throat cancer.
He's in remission, but it was really, it really rocked my world.
It sent my parents to Houston or MD Anderson for treatment.
And my parents leaving left me with my amazing husband who is gringo.
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He's like white, which is fantastic.
But also like my parents,
were, they live next door.
they were my culture.
They were my home.
were my black beans and rice.
They were my, you know, music.
were my everything.
And so when they left, I was with my white husband and my half white kids and, and likeall of my friends that didn't really represent my, my Latino culture at all.
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And I just, it kind of went through an identity crisis where I was just like, my God, whatif, what, what of me, if my parents don't come back, you know, who am I?
And also why does my community not reflect my heritage?
Why does, you know, and so once I started really understand like unpacking my Latinidadand what it has felt like in white spaces and in Latino spaces and why it's hard to show
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up sometimes in both.
That's when I wrote my first song for myself.
And then from there I wrote another one and then another one and then another one.
And all of sudden my
community starts shifting because my music and my new sense of identity is attractingpeople who are like-minded, who are aligned in values, not just as people, as women, as
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mothers.
All of a sudden I have friends who celebrate me when I walk out of the room.
And I had never experienced that before because I was looking for all the wrongfriendships.
Because I was the wrong type of, I was not showing up as my...
So then I know who I am.
my gosh.
I don't want to cut you off.
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But I just want to say one thing because this is so, so, so important.
And I think that this is one of the most, when you show up authentically, when any womanshows up authentically, then you attract the people who will be your mirror.
You attract the people.
your vibe attracts your tribe, but it's more than that.
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when you're honest with yourself about your needs and who you are, everything shifts andit's such, it's a beautiful and an important thing.
And so um I just wanted to acknowledge that.
No, it's, and it changes everything, right?
It changes.
um I used to have FOMO like hardcore when my friends would get together.
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Cause I, was afraid like if I'm not there, they're going to talk about me and what aterrible food.
Yeah.
m
No, what an awful thing.
I just, had to be there.
had to be everywhere.
But I really didn't actually want to be there.
I wanted to just trust and you know, but I didn't, had trust issues, but there I amshowing up as a different version of myself, not, you know, fully embracing all of me and
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therefore probably not fully embracing all of them.
uh
in order to raise a daughter who was really knew who she was, who's really just like, allthe things that I want to be, I realized like, I just need to be them.
I don't need to tell her how to exist.
I don't need to tell her how to be confident.
I just need to show her.
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Amen to that.
Yeah, like I started taking it very seriously.
Like who I am now is going to shape who my daughter becomes.
My inner voice needs to be kind.
And so I can tell you now after
I've been in therapy for 10 years.
I still meet with somebody once a week.
I've done a lot of work on myself.
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And so I can tell you that my, my inner voice, my self talk is super kind.
Like I'm really nice to myself.
And, um, I look at my body and I don't criticize her because she fucking made two people.
made like you grew two humans.
I say modic creator, when I sing,
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the songs about, you know, women and how incredible we are.
I believe that about myself.
And, you know, it's a, it's an everyday practice.
It's not like, you know, unkind thoughts don't ever occur in my mind, but I really, cantalk my way through them.
Whereas before they used to, they used to eat away at my mind, you know?
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And so, and I think that that's just through osmosis through
energy through, um, it's going to impact the way that my daughter looks and thinks aboutherself too.
And I can see it like she is one confident chick.
Like she, I think by the time I was six, six already, I had, was, there were insecurities,was shame and guilt already.
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There were things that I had already taken on that a young child shouldn't have had tothink about.
And I think she's just like unapologetically just herself and people are attracted tothat.
wants, everyone wants to be her friend.
And it's just exciting to raise kids who you can see are like this like healed version ofyou because they're going to just have, they're 30 years ahead of you, know, 35.
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I'll be three weeks.
So they're almost 40 years ahead of you.
And I'm just like,
Oh, you.
They're going to take on the world.
They're going to be fine even with everything, you know, all the scary ways the world ischanging.
Yeah.
Well, I think that we again, like going back to, know, in some ways, like most of us don'tview ourselves as liars.
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But many of us are because relying to ourselves about what works for us, relying toourselves about what full expression looks like, relying to ourselves about what rules we
want to follow and
I love that you're giving both of your children that gift of authenticity because as humanbeings, we want to be part of a herd.
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We want to be part of something, a community.
It's part of what makes us feel safe.
It's got to be the right one.
And that part of us makes it easy to compromise.
makes it easy to kind of blend in, but that's not the way.
And so what I love about Madre
creator, like what a fucking anthem to motherhood.
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because like that power within us is what should be celebrated.
A part of what makes a herd so strong are the individuals who are part of it playingdifferent roles.
Not everyone playing the same role or looking the same or feeling the same.
And it's a hard lesson for women, especially to learn when
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so many messages about our looks and demeanor have been especially for our age range whereum we're really hammered with those lessons growing, growing up.
So what a gift that you're giving your daughters and your son, your daughter and your son.
So it's funny because I've been I love Madre Creator.
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And it's can you just share the lyrics?
for with everyone listening, because it's their fetish.
um
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It's a, that's it.
For the most part I have, there's three versions because I, I released the, you know, theoriginal is just like a fun dancing with my friends version.
And then the second one is um the mommy and me, the video that went massively viral.
And then the, like a drum, you know, this, when sisters, the one drum are this beautifulgroup of women who channeled the ceremonial drum in a beautiful way.
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And we got together and did a version as well.
It's so fun.
And what I think is that reminder is like that when you recognize the gifts of then thepower that you have within, then you can do anything.
And I've noticed like some people really get the message.
And then I'm in your comment section.
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It's like some people are like, well, you you think you're God.
And it's like, yeah, yes, we I am God.
Like I was like, I am God.
But like,
Yes, we do have that power within us.
It's God given, God wants it to recognize it within us.
And that's our power to raise children.
It's our power to be in our fullest expression, to live a life of, not just a life of ourdreams, but a life that's fully aligned and impactful and good.
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Absolutely.
I can agree more.
And I think that's the biggest work I've done as far as like, really kind of unpacking myreligious upbringing.
I was raised
very Christian, went to church every Sunday, every Wednesday, was in our team and groupand all the things.
And I realized that I think the people in the comments that are most upset by the song arereligious people who feel that I'm trying to take the steel thunder from God.
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And it's like, actually, I think that what religion does that I'm not cool with is createa gatekeeper or create that only through this
group or this building or this other people, like, um, can you have access to God?
And I actually think God is just absolutely within me doing all of, all of the awesomethings I do are, are God led.
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And so when I own that, when I say God is working through me, I don't actually needanything else.
I don't need any external support to validate that God is doing incredible work in mebecause while
I'm not trying to take credit for making like, I made a vagina, I made a penis, I madeeyeballs, I made all these things inside my body.
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two people were formed.
It's not like I was writing the formula and busy up all night making these things.
was God has chosen me to be a portal of life.
We're like aliens, women are unbelievable.
If I can do that, I can.
kind of walking out of, to answer your question from before, like also walking out of thisreally hard stage of motherhood where I was kind of hard on myself for like forgetting
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where I put the car keys and I was kind of like, you know, hard on myself for like, Iplanning enough play dates?
It's actually like, I just did something that men cannot do that like no other, I mean, wewe populate the world like,
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And I can do anything.
if I'm sitting here going, I don't know, can I put out songs?
Can I, I don't know, should I apply for the whatever?
It's like, fuck yeah.
Like do it.
You just did the hardest thing that there is to do.
It wasn't your strength.
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wasn't my path.
Like I'm this supernatural human.
It was God within me.
orchestrating and doing and creating the whole thing.
So I'm not trying to take away from the power of God.
I'm embracing it and honoring it within me.
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And so I get it.
I understand because it's different words.
There's a whole jargon to religious speak.
And so if I'm not using it properly in their way, then this is gonna feel like blasphemyand I respect that.
But.
I am a very spiritual person who knows the teachings of God and can say that it's just,I'm just honor.
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it's what somebody said the other day, he was like, what radicalized you?
And it's like God, teachings of God.
And so Mother Greater comes from my embracing the power of God within me.
And um it just.
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in the same words that the church taught me, I'm, but it's all the same.
I'm with you.
And I was also raised very religious and deeply spiritual, very connected to God and takeissue with organized religion because of the weaponization of some of that vernacular that
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actually diminishes, especially women.
And it wasn't the intention.
I don't believe it was the intention all along.
I think that if you study the word of Mary Magdalene, it's all about when you find thatthat self love that you can access in heaven, it's the connection to God that happens from
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within when you're in full alignment and that that is what Jesus, what God wanted for usbecause
we can have heaven on earth right here, right now, when we cut the bullshit, basically,and be in the spirit of love and divinity and connection with one another.
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And so I think it is the most Christian, not organized standpoint, but most Christianperspective to celebrate the absolute beauty, the life, the love, the creation within.
each individual person and especially within women as that vehicle of love and light.
And it's that lack of appreciation that has gotten us to where we are right now in a stateof affairs, politically, culturally, that is so disembodied.
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And so I what then resonated with me so much about your music is that it's an invitationfor embodiment.
It's an invitation to
to have that total self love.
And I appreciate that so much.
And your most recent song, I fell in love with a woman.
I just fell in love with a woman.
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I think that takes it to that next level about appreciation of the feminine.
Thank you.
Yeah, that song is, it is just my self love anthem.
just feels like, and I think it's also falling in love with, I fell in love with a woman.
Like I felt just falling in love with women in general and the...
power that we have.
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The older that I get, the more I was talking to my girlfriends because one of them wasvulnerable and shared like how she feels like her.
She's hard on her body.
She's tough on her body.
made, you know, she made two people in her body.
This idea that women have to bounce back.
have to look like they've never had kids, like in order to successfully have kids.
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and I think it's just, I think it's cruel and
the pressure that we sometimes put on ourselves to look a certain way.
And I find that I can look at a girl in her early twenties and she's at the pool and I'mlike, go girl.
She's got flat abs and she's got no perfect skin, no cellulite.
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Hi, kitties.
Like everything.
And I'm like, go girl.
But then I also know she has so much to learn.
She has...
so much to go through.
She has so much to experience.
so when you look at the body of a woman who has had children and you look at thecellulite, you look at the gray hairs, you look at the wrinkles, and I just think that's
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earned wisdom.
I think it's so beautiful and brave and sexy.
And so as I fall in love with the versions of myself and my body that I'm becoming,
I look at the women around me and I just wish so deeply that they saw what I see, youknow, and that they saw the, just how beautiful it is to get older because it shows, it's
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just evidence of our um time here, of the way that we've learned and grown and healed andgrown wiser.
And so that song is really just me falling in love with women in general, but also withmyself and realizing like we're just these
regal, beautiful beings that I think society and I think government, think, you know,historically have just been intimidated by.
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Men are intimidated by the power and the wisdom and the ability to feel deeply and alsocreate safe and beautiful spaces for people that empower and uh
help people just find their best selves.
And so I think, you know, we're seeing it now with these like man, children leadingcountries all over the world.
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then, you look at countries like Switzerland and New Zealand, and you're just like, oh.
Another way is possible.
Another way is possible.
And it makes perfect sense.
And it makes sense why the structure has tried so hard to silence us, to make us feellike, you're, you know, we're irrelevant.
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And I think that my desire to put out music at 37, I was 37 when I put out my first singleever, was a rebellion, an act of rebellion against that.
Because I worked in the music industry that says that after 27 years old, you know, that'sold for
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music industry, you have no relevance.
There's nothing more that you could possibly have to say.
And as I was getting older and I was mothering and I listened, you know, listening to thetop 40, I was just like, Oh my God, I don't feel represented here at all.
I don't have this like sad girl pop angst.
I don't have this.
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I'm in a healthy relationship.
I'm not filled with regret.
Like the lyrics are just, they don't resonate.
at all with me and wearing that.
And so there has to be an audience of people like me who need songs that make them feelsafe in their bodies, that make them feel empowered.
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And seen.
Well, that's exactly it.
It's that when we don't have that representation, know, that requires someone to bravelytake that step forward, to say, I'm going to be different.
I'm going to choose it.
and people may talk, people may shift your herd of people who are around you.
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And all of that is for the greater good of carving.
Someone has to carve the riverbed.
And I always think about elephants and like these matriarchal elephants are the ones whoare carving rivers and helping to...
create a path for society to flow through to show that there is a better way.
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And when it comes to women helping women to wake up, there's like such a hostile tone tothat now, like on social wake up people.
It's also like, no, but like really, this is an invitation to awaken to the power withinto say, no, today I'm not going to keep telling that lie that I belong in this circle.
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I'm not going to keep telling that lie that I'm not.
creative or even not.
am going to allow myself to be in my fullest expression.
I am going to allow myself to write the song and trust that whatever will happen, theimpact that it makes may ripple a little bit or may ripple a lot.
And all of that is helping us move the collective towards a better future, morepossibility, more alignment, more beauty and more love.
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I love that.
And then I'm on board.
I want to go there.
You're doing it mama.
You are doing it.
And you're one of the voices that is making a change and helping to inspire.
And I know that you absolutely inspired me.
when I heard it first, like I said, you're the lullaby that moved me.
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And then I was like, moderate creator.
was like, holy shit.
Yes, I am.
And, um, and I want to, yeah, I made three.
Children and I grew them in my body and we have the choice about how we show up for ourchildren and I think that what is really interesting to me as you think about that like 20
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year old woman is honoring loving her all of the things and loving all of those versionsof ourselves but as healers as changemakers as people who are making a difference in the
world we've got to look at the past and we've got to reach also towards our
parents and to the people who came before us and offer them a safe space because I know Ithink about my mom and there was so much that she had to keep silent because she wasn't
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safe to fully express or had to follow by a different set of rules and now we get thisopportunity to heal the future and heal the past and really make a difference.
It's a beautiful thing.
is.
No pressure to women today.
No, it is.
And it's, it is no pressure in the sense like
Um, it takes somebody told me something the other day, uh, that really impacted me whereshe was like, you may not see the fruit.
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We have to accept that like, we may be the generation that pushes, you know, we may notsee the fruit of that birth, like the labor, you know, of our labor.
And that has to be okay.
That's okay.
Like sometimes we're not the ones who like experience the mass growth.
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generationally, but like we're gonna work really hard because we've got kids that we leavebehind.
And if the world is, I believe the world will be better for us, but if the world is betterfor them, and we're the ones who are like in the trenches, like, you know, fighting for it
for the rest of our lives, like, I'm cool with that too, you know?
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Yeah.
But again, I'd love to see it, but you know, those ripples, it's it's ripple and it startswith expression.
starts with people following that little, knowing that, you know what, today I'm going towrite a song, today I'm going to sing it, today I'm going to publish it.
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I'm going to put it out there on the internet.
And that whatever that idea might be, writing a poem, creating a piece of art, doing thething, that is what moves the needle.
And we never know the people that were impacted.
We never know that the change that we're making, we never know the seeds that we'replanting.
So I have one more question for you, my dear.
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And that is, how are you showing up unapologetically?
That's a good question.
think right now I am, so I'm balancing, um, intense and deep heartbreak.
This year has been really tough for our country, but Los Angeles, where I live,
has been through it.
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January, we had the fires.
my people are being hunted on the streets.
And it's been really tough.
I am honoring the heartbreak.
I'm also dealing with the shifting and changing of relationships, people who I love, whoI'm not in alignment with politically, which I feel like is no longer a political thing.
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I think it's a
human values issue.
And so I'm, you know, shifting relationships in my family, grieving the change ofrelationships in my family.
also, you know, carrying just so much hurt and sadness and loss.
so, and then every day that we go online, I'm trying to decide how I'm showing up online,how I show up to the information for the things that are happening every day, because I
(45:58):
know that we were not created for this kind of lifestyle, for this information load everyday.
And then also expected to show up like present and filled with love and abundance from mychildren who deserve the best of me.
But I just heard the most heart wrenching thing that just happened again, right?
(46:22):
And so the way I can show up most unapologetically is like my kids have summer break.
until August 12th.
And then they start school.
They're going to be seven and five.
They think I'm super cool right now.
They love me.
They think I'm the coolest.
And that's not going to last forever.
And so I'm not doing we're not doing camps this summer.
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We're just going to hang out.
We're going to go through photos from when I was a kid and reorganize them.
We're going to go to museums.
We're going to go to movies.
We're going to go to
bowling.
We've done so much already in the last week and a half since they finished school.
I'm not posting pictures.
I'm not posting.
I was posting every day for a year and a half.
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Then I went to five days a week.
I was really showing up consistently.
I was saying, I want to be there for everybody.
I was commenting on everyone's comment.
I was DMing everybody back.
I was really seriously taking my role as whatever it is that I am for, you know,
because I'm still, it's only been two years, I'm still trying to figure that out.
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And I'm saying, no, this is my time.
This is for me and my kids my summer.
So if I'm going to post once a week, you know, for the next eight weeks, that'll be eightvideos.
That feels really doable.
That feels if I may not comment on everybody's, I'm not looking at my DMs right now.
I'm really just showing up to my family, my kiddos every day.
(47:52):
and giving them the best of me, trying to figure out how to give the best of my husbandand not just be this like frail person that comes and says, did you see what happened to
us?
You know, and, you know, try to also be strong for him so he doesn't have to hold me, youknow, and comfort me all the time.
(48:12):
Cause then who comforts him?
like just trying to show up for my parents, trying to like really focusing on my triberight now.
And then I know that when I'm ready and when I'm strong, I'll come back to my online tribeand I will be that support.
will have news.
I have so many new songs to share.
(48:34):
um Like so many songs that I'm really excited about and that I just feel I must sharethem, right?
Like it's just it would be wrong to.
So I'm but I I'm trying to figure out how can I show up?
sustainably, authentically to share them.
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That feels like I'm also showing up for my people here who need me a little bit more rightnow.
I need them a little bit more.
Hanging out with my kids is so brilliant because they don't know anything that's reallygoing on.
I share with them little, you know, bits here and there.
Sunday, the Sunday of some mom friends and I, we put together a little playdate protest.
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And right now we've got like
over 60 RSVPs for moms who are just going to bring their kids, we're going to make signs,we're going to sing, you know, yell chants together, and we're going to give them a safe
little space at this park to protest to use their First Amendment right.
And we're going to make little noisemakers.
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I'm going to read my children's book, um I'm Enough, Soifweteya, Celebrating Immigrants,and we're going to...
um
make sure our kids know in a really safe way what's happening and how they can advocatefor those who are struggling.
And so that's, I think, how I need to show up.
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I'm not sorry for stepping away.
I need this.
And that is how I can unapologetically just be there for myself and for my little people,my people.
I think that's so brave to acknowledge.
Yeah.
It's what I need.
It's how I can navigate this new, I think it's a new life, right?
(50:25):
Like we, my parents, they got the newspaper on Sundays.
That's the information that they had, right?
And now we have information at the tip of our fingertips of what's happening all over theworld, all the time.
And our brains are not created to hold all of that.
I'm deeply feeling
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deep empathetic person.
so I can, you know, it's, it's just not sustainable.
I have to figure out how to balance all of it.
And so I think this summer to just, yeah, take that time.
So long answer to a pretty short question.
I'm not showing, that's how I'm showing up unapologetically right now.
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I'm sitting with that because it resonates in so many ways.
And what is happening?
I'm in, I'm based in Chicago.
And what's happening in LA is just, it's atrocious.
And I think that when we have the chance to sometimes our biggest protest is by giving ourkids space to feel by being present with them and taking care of our own needs.
(51:35):
And I think that that is such a sign of growth and community and know that all of yourpals online will be ready for you whenever you are.
that we.
Can't wait to receive your new music because if I know anything, it's from the heart.
It's going to be deeply impactful and rooted in spirit.
And not that you need my validation, but just offering support and love means so much.
(52:03):
Thank you.
So how can people find you?
Yes, please on Heidi Rojas Music.
It's R-O-J-A-S, Heidi Rojas Music on all social media platforms.
And then just Heidi Rojas on Spotify, Apple Music, iTunes.
those music platforms as well.
And then through Heidi Rojas.com, can join my email list where I send out an email everycouple of weeks, just checking in, sharing kind of, you know, from my heart.
(52:29):
And yeah, thank you so much.
I really appreciate your time and your love and your, um, I think I feel like you justlike sprinkled glitter, just the glitter dust all over me today.
And I, needed that.
Oh, well, I love that.
I'm so glad that you were able to come on the show.
We're so grateful.
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I will share all of my favorite Heidi songs with the audience so that you guys can see andsome of the sweetest videos of like her laying on the ground in front of a crib.
And I know all of you moms listening have been there before.
And now you have a little solution about what to do instead of sitting there cryingyourself be like, what the fuck do I do to stop crying baby?
(53:12):
Because it doesn't calm your kid's nervous system to sing along with her.
It'll at least calm your own.
And that's what music and singing is all about.
So thank you so much all for tuning in.
Thank you so much, Heidi, for being here.
I'm Ashley.
This is Heidi.
And we are unapologetically yours.
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