Neuroscience of Love and Losing Love

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Hi, welcome to when he goes deep, I am Wendy.
And today's episode is a rebroadcast from a live room over in the Wendy Goes Deep clubhouse on the clubhouse app.
Hope you enjoy. 4 00:00:20,948.4 --> 00:00:23,478.4 Welcome to Wendy Goes Deep. 5 00:00:23,888.4 --> 00:00:30,218.4 I am Wendy and I'm a microdosing and ADHD coach as well as an orgasm and neuro pleasure coach. 6 00:00:30,698.399 --> 00:00:40,638.4 And while I'm knowledgeable about a wide range of topics related to health, well-being, psychedelics, sex, orgasms, business and transformation, I'm not a licensed professional in any of these areas. 7 00:00:41,38.4 --> 00:00:42,48.4 That is by choice. 8 00:00:42,688.4 --> 00:00:50,668.4 Any information discussed is for educational entertainment purposes only, and it should not be taken as medical, mental health, legal business, or any other kind of advice. 9 00:00:51,128.4 --> 00:00:58,658.4 Any discussion of psychedelics in this room, on this podcast, is purely for informational and harm reduction purposes. 10 00:00:59,18.399 --> 00:01:07,778.4 Please be aware that the use of these substances is illegal in many parts of the world, and I do not condone or encourage the use of illegal substances or illegal activities. 11 00:01:08,368.4 --> 00:01:27,788.4005 Also, please be advised that some of the content discussed in this room may not be suitable for all listeners, particularly those who are under 18 or who may be triggered by discussions of sex or trauma, because those do often come up because this is a conversation and trigger warnings are not always given. 12 00:01:27,798.4005 --> 00:01:29,148.4005 So be aware of that. 13 00:01:29,658.4005 --> 00:01:34,808.4005 I encourage you to use your own discretion when deciding to whether be a part of this room. 14 00:01:35,428.4005 --> 00:01:38,938.4005 And with that being said let's get into today's topic. 15 00:01:38,938.4005 --> 00:01:52,318.4005 So, um, this was brought up, uh, today by a friend about, it was actually specifically about the neuroscience of losing love, like for breakups. 16 00:01:53,823.4005 --> 00:02:06,223.4005 Today, we are approaching the full moon in Leo, and Valentine's Day is also this week, and I thought this would be a really good conversation to talk about actually the neuroscience of love, and also losing love. 17 00:02:07,463.4005 --> 00:02:13,968.4005 So I also want to, for those who do not know, and are maybe listening to this on the podcast. 18 00:02:14,18.4005 --> 00:02:16,58.4005 I'm actually in Clubhouse right now live. 19 00:02:16,88.4005 --> 00:02:22,208.4005 And so there will be a bit of a conversation here and for whoever chooses to join in on the conversation. 20 00:02:22,218.4005 --> 00:02:26,298.3995 And if you're listening on to replay, then, you know, where you're at. 21 00:02:26,958.4005 --> 00:02:28,768.4005 All right, so, um. 22 00:02:29,413.4005 --> 00:02:45,523.4005 I, I love neuroscience and I love like talking about this, and I think it kind of makes a little bit sense to first talk about what maybe love is, and then why it's so difficult when we lose it. 23 00:02:46,173.4005 --> 00:02:46,643.4005 And. 24 00:02:46,933.4005 --> 00:02:51,803.4005 As I kind of briefly said, we're approaching the full moon in Leo, not new moon in Leo. 25 00:02:52,263.4005 --> 00:03:00,83.4005 And I wanted to kind of touch on that because this is super prevalent in my coaching practice. 26 00:03:00,133.4005 --> 00:03:24,478.4005 So yesterday I spent hours on, in phone calls and in meetings, emergency phone calls, emergency meetings, um, for, um, A same theme that comes up and only the people that were in my microducing program, who, where we discuss this, we're actually really aware of this. 27 00:03:24,978.4005 --> 00:03:31,258.3995 So the full moon in Leo is about, so Leo is really about self worth. 28 00:03:31,318.3995 --> 00:03:34,658.3995 I know a lot of people have their own different ways to describe it. 29 00:03:34,708.3995 --> 00:03:40,148.4005 Self worth is the word that I use to encapsulate the energy around Leo. 30 00:03:41,108.4005 --> 00:03:44,508.4005 And so at this time of year, and as I said, it is. 31 00:03:45,268.4005 --> 00:03:48,678.4005 It was very prevalent yesterday, even for people who were not even aware of this. 32 00:03:49,148.4005 --> 00:03:58,968.3995 Um, what the full moon means is that we're shedding light on that theme for that zodiac sign. 33 00:03:59,378.3995 --> 00:04:08,483.4005 And, um, Whether or not you are conscious about your intentions that you set around the new moon. 34 00:04:08,483.5005 --> 00:04:13,303.3995 So the new moon in Leo was last year, August 4th, 2024. 35 00:04:13,923.4005 --> 00:04:32,963.4005 And whatever intentions you set then, either consciously or subconsciously, over the next six months, you will be taking Actions that are aligned with bringing awareness into what is holding you back from those intentions. 36 00:04:32,963.5005 --> 00:04:56,578.3995 And so since it's around self worth, those aspects are going to be really prominent and And as we are approaching Valentine's Day, for those that celebrate it, or at least are being present with the marketing, whether or not you even acknowledge it, you are probably being bombarded with Valentine's Day marketing. 37 00:04:56,628.3995 --> 00:05:17,648.3995 So, there is this kind of Subconscious and maybe conscious, uh, awareness around love and what it means to be in love and when you're in your worth, and that is a really important concept, um, in understanding when we are actually talking about. 38 00:05:18,563.4005 --> 00:05:21,603.4005 What we are today, which I'm really talking about romantic love. 39 00:05:22,23.4005 --> 00:05:51,983.4005 So romantic love usually involves one or more people whether or not you're monogamous or not will depend on the number and When you're so you're you're dealing with other people so there's going to be social components to it there's going to be relational components to it and they're going to be biological components to it and emotional components to it and mental components to it and And I like to break everything down into those energy systems, the physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, and social aspects of it. 40 00:05:52,463.4005 --> 00:05:56,293.4005 Um, so let's go into the neuroscience part, which is the physical part. 41 00:05:56,333.3995 --> 00:06:00,233.3995 I find this the easiest parts to talk about because there's. 42 00:06:00,768.4005 --> 00:06:07,108.4005 You know, research on it, and it's less, uh, emotional, actually, and that's because that's the harder part. 43 00:06:07,558.4005 --> 00:06:33,683.4005 So, biologically, when we are in the presence of other people, the first thing that is happening is we are scanning for whether or not we are safe, and depending on your past experiences, you will either be practiced with the way someone is presenting, themselves or you will not be practiced with the way someone is presenting themselves. 44 00:06:34,223.4005 --> 00:06:38,943.4005 And in particular, their nervous system, we co regulate with other people's nervous systems. 45 00:06:39,433.4005 --> 00:06:53,323.4005 So when you are with someone, if they are dysregulated, they will be reflecting their own skills and capabilities of how they handle people who are dysregulated. 46 00:06:53,873.4005 --> 00:07:10,763.4005 If you're Uh, if the other person or people are dysregulated, then you will be reflecting how you, uh, work with other people's dysregulation and also your own skills and capabilities with being regulated. 47 00:07:11,503.4005 --> 00:07:12,743.4005 Um, and. 48 00:07:13,868.4005 --> 00:07:17,398.4005 That is basically what relating is. 49 00:07:17,818.4005 --> 00:07:25,188.4005 Through that process of nervous system regulation, we get all different kinds of neurochemical processes that happen. 50 00:07:25,728.4005 --> 00:07:41,783.3005 The more we are regulated with someone, we get the quote unquote feel good um, neurotransmitters being produced such as serotonin, dopamine, um, and then the neuropeptides like oxytocin, and so on and so forth. 51 00:07:41,933.4005 --> 00:07:45,3.4005 A lot of times you hear oxytocin talking about being the love hormone. 52 00:07:45,743.4005 --> 00:07:46,323.4005 It's not. 53 00:07:46,483.4005 --> 00:07:47,663.4005 It is and it isn't. 54 00:07:47,953.4005 --> 00:07:58,943.4005 Love is a complex topic and if you have to put a neurotransmitter to it, I actually wouldn't pick Uh, oxytocin. 55 00:07:59,383.4005 --> 00:08:04,823.4005 Oxytocin is about bonding, but that bond can be good or bad. 56 00:08:04,853.4005 --> 00:08:19,478.4005 So there's a lot of research that shows when you give, um, oxytocin in a nasal form, in a chemical nasal form, and you give it to people who have a healthy, A more healthy dynamic. 57 00:08:19,548.4005 --> 00:08:35,178.3005 It strengthens their bond, but if you are giving them oxytocin and they do not have a healthy dynamic, meaning I'm just gonna say if you hear me use terms like healthy, I'm really thinking of being regulated together if they're dysregulated together. 58 00:08:35,698.4005 --> 00:08:38,578.4005 Maybe I'll switch to that terminology to make it easier. 59 00:08:38,878.4005 --> 00:08:52,888.4005 So if you give oxytocin to people who have, who are good at co-regulating together, reducing stress together, that oxytocin shot will increase that bond of co-regulation. 60 00:08:53,528.4005 --> 00:09:04,368.4005 However, if you give oxytocin to people who are dysregulated, you will increase that dysregulated bond and. 61 00:09:04,598.4005 --> 00:09:10,478.4005 As an orgasm and neuropleasure coach, I will tell you that this plays out repeatedly. 62 00:09:10,968.4005 --> 00:09:37,928.4005 People who maybe often use sex as a way to bond, um, actually, depending on the way that they regulate their nervous systems when they are not engaging in sex will actually be heightened when they engage in sex because when you engage in sex and in particular when you have an orgasm, um, But not just, it's not just through orgasm, skin to skin touch. 63 00:09:37,928.4005 --> 00:09:47,8.4005 So the more you increase skin to skin touch, you are increasing oxytocin and therefore you are in strengthening the way in which you bond. 64 00:09:47,18.3995 --> 00:10:07,268.4005 If you are only able to bond through a physical touch and contact, you will keep needing that physical touch and contact to co regulate if you are touching and say, like you're sitting next together on the couch, so Since we're talking about Valentine's Day, love languages get brought up a lot. 65 00:10:07,308.4005 --> 00:10:15,348.4005 So let's say your love language is acts of service or, um, actually, what's the other one I'm thinking of? Quality time. 66 00:10:15,658.4005 --> 00:10:24,398.3005 Say both you and your partner or partners, uh, have quality time as one of your love languages and you participate in the love language. 67 00:10:24,438.4005 --> 00:10:33,388.4005 quality time a lot, and you sit next to each other, and you co regulate to each other, and you are touching each other, you will be increasing your oxytocin. 68 00:10:33,838.4005 --> 00:10:45,828.4005 If you are spending your quality time sitting in chairs in opposite sides of the room watching TV, you probably are not, uh, increasing your oxytocin, but you are co regulating. 69 00:10:46,478.4005 --> 00:10:57,838.4005 Um, and, uh, So there's, you can see already like dynamics change, the neuroscience of every person is so individualistic and all the activities that you engage in are going to either increase or decrease it. 70 00:10:58,298.4005 --> 00:11:06,128.4005 I only just touched on oxytocin, there's serotonin, there's dopamine, there's all these other components to the neuroscience of love. 71 00:11:06,618.4005 --> 00:11:14,348.4005 Um, serotonin often gets a lot of, um, notoriety you. 72 00:11:14,768.4005 --> 00:11:58,983.4005 Because we talk about like SSRIs and a lot of times in the talks of psychedelics as a microdosing coach this gets brought up a lot people focus on serotonin, but from what I Know and understand with the body Serotonin is less about feeling good but more about The neurotransmitter that is produced when things are going well in the body so When I think, and I'm going to diverge a little bit here, but because we're talking about the neuroscience of love, it's all related, uh, when we, when the research is out on like SSRIs or even microdosing, cause that's why I'm interested. 73 00:11:59,193.4005 --> 00:12:02,613.3995 I am often interested in it, but I'm also interested in on the SSRI part. 74 00:12:02,973.4005 --> 00:12:09,623.4005 I want to give a really quick caveat here for people who might be listening on the replay or on the podcast who do not know this about me. 75 00:12:09,943.4005 --> 00:12:11,593.4005 I am not anti medicine. 76 00:12:12,88.4005 --> 00:12:35,433.4005 I am a big proponent of medicine that works for you, but I don't think that the medical establishment and in particular SSRIs are, did I say that correctly? SSR eyes are the end all, be all, and we know that they were developed a long time ago and they were, uh, they are a very useful tool. 77 00:12:36,193.4005 --> 00:12:43,143.4005 When they work, just like a knife is a very useful tool when it's needed, a hammer is useful. 78 00:12:43,333.4005 --> 00:12:44,653.4005 A saw is useful. 79 00:12:44,873.4005 --> 00:12:46,323.4005 A screwdriver is useful. 80 00:12:46,573.4005 --> 00:12:51,803.3995 All tools are useful when they are useful and can be harmful. 81 00:12:52,238.4005 --> 00:13:16,18.3005 When they are not, um, and I look at SSRIs that way, but unfortunately, the medical community does not have a lot of tools available in the form of medicine that they can quickly prescribe to someone in the 10 minutes or 15 minutes when they're having a discussion with their patient and be able to confidently let them leave the door open. 82 00:13:16,298.4005 --> 00:13:48,553.4005 Feeling like they've gotten some help and support, right? So how SSRIs work? Um, they work by, uh, allowing this neurotransmitter serotonin to either be produced and also prevent what's called the reuptake, meaning, uh, the breakdown in the processing of, so you've got MAOIs that actually, Work on slowing down, inhibiting the breakdown of the serotonin. 83 00:13:49,53.4005 --> 00:14:01,723.4005 Serotonin, and so therefore the re the SSRIs prevent the re-uptake so that serotonin gets broken down and then it gets, reup, gets re-uptake into the body and reprocessed. 84 00:14:02,143.4005 --> 00:14:04,933.4005 So SSRIs prevent that re-uptake process. 85 00:14:05,563.4005 --> 00:14:06,223.4005 MAOIs. 86 00:14:06,838.4005 --> 00:14:08,638.4005 prevent the breakdown of serotonin. 87 00:14:08,648.4005 --> 00:14:12,988.4005 Both of them allow serotonin to be floating around in the body. 88 00:14:13,328.4005 --> 00:14:21,808.4005 And as I just mentioned, the signaling factor of serotonin is basically saying that there's a lot of serotonin. 89 00:14:22,218.4005 --> 00:14:24,138.4005 It's saying everything is good. 90 00:14:24,988.4005 --> 00:14:38,418.4005 However, if you are artificially introducing this signaling saying that everything is good, you are basically silencing the rest of the body's signals to tell you what is wrong. 91 00:14:39,318.4005 --> 00:14:48,768.4005 And so while that is a very good thing to happen, Uh, for short term relief, it is not a long term solution. 92 00:14:49,598.4005 --> 00:14:54,388.4005 So, how does this relate to love? It all relates to love. 93 00:14:54,928.4005 --> 00:15:08,198.4005 So, if you, uh, when you are experiencing like new love, your body, uh, will get into another neurotransmitter right now, will increase the production of what's called dopamine. 94 00:15:11,208.4005 --> 00:15:12,408.4005 Not new to me. 95 00:15:12,468.4005 --> 00:15:17,388.4005 You know that I have a DHD and I talk about A DHD and most of my clients have a DHD. 96 00:15:17,718.4005 --> 00:15:32,848.4005 So it is my wheelhouse 'cause dopamine is one of the neurotransmitters that's focused on when it comes to A DHD 'cause most people with a DHD symptoms have, um, are are traditionally, that comes with low dopamine. 97 00:15:33,238.4005 --> 00:15:36,358.4005 There are different pathways for dopamine and. 98 00:15:36,713.4005 --> 00:15:53,383.4005 Um, one of the pathways will, uh, if you have low dopamine, a lot of times the pathway that gets where the dopamine will travel, then less down will indicate, uh, ADHD, but there's other. 99 00:15:53,823.4005 --> 00:16:08,543.4 Other pathways of dopamine and so it's kind of this all the same process whether or not it's ADHD symptoms Or you're very klutzy Or you have low progesterone and hormonal issues. 100 00:16:08,543.4 --> 00:16:11,683.3995 Do you have low libido? There's all these different. 101 00:16:12,173.3995 --> 00:16:20,98.4005 Um Indicators of low dopamine, but what dopamine does is basically is the repeat molecule. 102 00:16:20,128.4005 --> 00:16:22,478.4005 So a lot of times it's called the pleasure molecule. 103 00:16:22,788.3995 --> 00:16:30,908.3995 It is not the pleasure molecule because if it was the pleasure molecule, um, there are lots of activities. 104 00:16:31,293.4005 --> 00:16:42,53.4005 That people engage in that increased dopamine and they do not experience pleasure, but they will repeat it over and over again, even though it's not pleasure. 105 00:16:42,533.3995 --> 00:16:58,223.4005 Um, but what, one of the things that kind of gets paired a lot with the activities that increase dopamine are, um, little mini moments of accomplishment. 106 00:16:58,643.4005 --> 00:17:02,183.4005 So accomplishment is pleasurable. 107 00:17:03,868.4005 --> 00:17:06,708.4005 Dopamine does not equate pleasure. 108 00:17:06,718.4005 --> 00:17:21,38.3005 Dopamine means replete accomplishment, feeling like you served a purpose, even if that purpose is say, for example, gambling and you win, that is a sense of accomplishment, getting ready for a job. 109 00:17:21,198.4005 --> 00:17:27,788.4005 Date and having, uh, imagining all the things that could go well gives a sense of accomplishment. 110 00:17:27,808.4005 --> 00:17:37,208.4005 So a lot of times the accomplishment that we experience with these dopamine actually are in our mind and not actually something we are experiencing in real life. 111 00:17:38,48.4005 --> 00:17:48,718.4005 Right, so dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, so dopamine is increased when you are new, having a new experience with someone because it's called novelty. 112 00:17:49,158.4005 --> 00:17:55,318.4005 And when you're experiencing something new, you have an heightened emotional state. 113 00:17:55,338.4005 --> 00:18:03,538.4005 State and anything there are, anytime there is a heightened emotional state, that's acetylcholine, that's another neurotransmitter. 114 00:18:04,18.4005 --> 00:18:06,808.4005 It's a signal to the brain to pay attention. 115 00:18:07,168.4005 --> 00:18:11,518.4005 And so we do the dopamine to repeat the behavior. 116 00:18:12,198.4005 --> 00:18:17,658.4005 Um, and especially if dopamine and serotonin are both increased at the same time. 117 00:18:18,168.4005 --> 00:18:21,578.4005 So when you are engaging. 118 00:18:21,993.4005 --> 00:18:26,343.4005 In a new experience, like love, like, Ooh, those fleeting. 119 00:18:26,513.4005 --> 00:18:27,973.4005 It's not even love at that point. 120 00:18:27,983.4005 --> 00:18:29,523.4005 It's like, Oh, this is new. 121 00:18:29,523.4005 --> 00:18:30,483.4005 This feels good. 122 00:18:30,933.4005 --> 00:18:44,403.4005 And maybe you're talking with someone and you are co regulating together because you guys have similar ways of co regulating that will start to feel very good in your body. 123 00:18:44,453.4005 --> 00:18:59,648.4005 So you will be, uh, Producing both serotonin and dopamine and then because you are co regulating with someone you will be increasing oxytocin so you will be bonding and so it's kind of love is really this and there's no epinephrine in there. 124 00:18:59,658.4005 --> 00:19:09,928.4005 It's really this like concoction of all these different neurotransmitters in a way that feels safe and comfortable to you in that moment. 125 00:19:10,798.4005 --> 00:19:11,58.4005 All right. 126 00:19:11,938.4005 --> 00:19:16,728.4005 Um, I think I kind of went over the basic neurotransmitters of it. 127 00:19:16,748.4005 --> 00:19:18,548.4005 So that's kind of what love is. 128 00:19:18,588.4005 --> 00:19:25,498.4005 So love is basically this concoction of dopamine, serotonin, and oxytocin and others as well. 129 00:19:25,888.3995 --> 00:19:33,668.4005 I can get into all of them, but another one that's an important one there is a neandermide and neandermine is actually the bliss molecule. 130 00:19:33,698.4005 --> 00:19:36,238.4005 And that is the one that I would call the pleasure molecule. 131 00:19:36,668.4005 --> 00:19:48,73.4005 Um, this is released when you, um, Different things, but like orgasm is one of the ways, natural ways in which you can release release anandamide. 132 00:19:48,563.4005 --> 00:19:57,603.3995 Um, there are other neuropeptides like, um, what am I, what's the one I'm trying to think of? Uh, the one endorphins. 133 00:19:58,43.4005 --> 00:20:03,383.4005 So endorphins are neuropeptides that reduce pain sensations in your body. 134 00:20:03,903.4005 --> 00:20:10,53.4005 Um, so one might equate endorphins of reducing pain as pleasure. 135 00:20:10,643.4005 --> 00:20:12,493.4005 It's technically not pleasure. 136 00:20:12,523.4005 --> 00:20:18,433.4005 It's just reducing pain, whereas anandamide is actually pleasure. 137 00:20:18,953.4005 --> 00:20:34,808.3995 So, um, when you are doing Activities such as like, say, kissing, touching, reducing oxytocin, you're engaged, being in the moment when you are not feeling stress. 138 00:20:34,818.4005 --> 00:20:42,198.4005 So a lot of times the, the activities that we engage in with our lovers, we are not focused on our stress. 139 00:20:42,658.3995 --> 00:20:46,578.3995 So we're not necessarily needing the endorphins to reduce pain. 140 00:20:47,183.4005 --> 00:20:54,403.4005 We are able to engage, um, some of the other processes to increase anandamide. 141 00:20:54,953.4005 --> 00:21:05,443.4005 Um, one of the, uh, psychedelic compounds that increases anandamide or binds to the anandamide receptors is cannabis. 142 00:21:05,453.3995 --> 00:21:14,678.4005 So cannabis gets thrown around a lot and gets, I think, is one of the reasons why it gets used a lot is because it, binds with that anandamide receptor. 143 00:21:15,128.4005 --> 00:21:27,398.4005 And so it gives the appearance that we are experiencing pleasure, um, in our body, even though our body might actually be in a lot of pain and not actually be experiencing pleasure. 144 00:21:27,908.3995 --> 00:21:38,558.4005 So, um, I know I'm getting all convoluted just because there's so many things that are coming through in this little, uh, discussion that I'm having with myself to the question. 145 00:21:39,668.3995 --> 00:21:40,518.4005 The original question. 146 00:21:41,28.4005 --> 00:21:48,78.4005 So, um, just quickly, anandamide, uh, like, it, it interacts with the endocannabinoid system, and I think that's why as well. 147 00:21:48,158.3995 --> 00:21:50,728.4005 And not just because of this cannabis. 148 00:21:50,918.4005 --> 00:21:54,308.4005 No, the endocannabinoid system in our, in our bodies. 149 00:21:54,728.4005 --> 00:21:58,18.3995 And just, you're talking just about romantic love, right? Yeah. 150 00:21:59,63.4005 --> 00:22:03,643.4005 Uh, well, I, you're kind of jumping into the conversation. 151 00:22:04,163.463 --> 00:22:05,23.463 Uh, a little bit. 152 00:22:05,53.463 --> 00:22:07,523.463 I went through it's okay. 153 00:22:07,523.463 --> 00:22:09,203.463 Um, cause I went through oxytocin. 154 00:22:09,273.463 --> 00:22:10,413.463 I went through serotonin. 155 00:22:10,463.463 --> 00:22:11,443.463 I went through dopamine. 156 00:22:11,733.463 --> 00:22:19,583.463 I talked about Um, a little, uh, how I, I kind of talk on physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, and social energy systems. 157 00:22:19,893.463 --> 00:22:27,953.463 And right now I was focusing specifically on physical and specifically on a bit of the neuroscience of it. 158 00:22:28,613.463 --> 00:22:43,533.463 I can completely go into endocannabinoid and how endocannabinoid is the, uh, the system that links up the enteric, uh, nervous system with the central nervous system because the enteric, uh, nervous system is a. 159 00:22:43,943.463 --> 00:22:45,453.463 More of a closed system. 160 00:22:45,453.463 --> 00:22:46,513.463 So the digestive system. 161 00:22:46,583.463 --> 00:22:49,163.463 So the enteric system speaks with the digestive. 162 00:22:49,163.463 --> 00:22:50,503.463 The digestive is what is closed. 163 00:22:50,523.463 --> 00:22:50,813.463 Sorry. 164 00:22:51,653.463 --> 00:22:54,813.463 The digestive system is really a closed system, like from mouth to anus. 165 00:22:55,183.463 --> 00:23:11,778.463 Um, the enteric, uh, Nervous system is what connects the digestive system to, uh, the rest of the body and the way the enteric nervous system really communicates through the rest of the nervous system is through the endocannabinoid system. 166 00:23:12,208.463 --> 00:23:18,238.463 And then the endocannabinoid system lets the brain know whether or not the digestive system is good. 167 00:23:18,548.463 --> 00:23:20,443.363 So basically that's what the endocannabinoid system does. 168 00:23:20,593.463 --> 00:23:26,693.463 Endocambinoid system is basically to let us know whether or not things are good or not in our body. 169 00:23:26,693.463 --> 00:23:29,833.462 So, uh, the term homeostasis is thrown around a lot. 170 00:23:30,313.463 --> 00:23:46,978.462 I, I have a little bit of a problem using it because it, the way it's used a lot when people talk about these, they say balance, and it kind of gives this impression of flat line, but there's nothing in the body that is flat lined unless you're dead. 171 00:23:47,558.463 --> 00:23:52,898.463 And so what balance just means is a constant flow of energy moving around. 172 00:23:53,678.463 --> 00:24:00,998.463 All right, so, um, I know I, I, I just wanted to address what you said there and in case any questions came up. 173 00:24:01,58.463 --> 00:24:13,328.462 So talking about the neurotransmitters and the neuroscience, obviously this could be a full long deep discussion that could go for, you know, a 12 week course if we wanted to. 174 00:24:13,328.462 --> 00:24:32,13.463 But for the purpose of today's discussion, I'm kind of going to leave it with just the neurotransmitters and know that the neurotransmitters are the signaling that, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, Then, um, connect to the endocrine system, which send out the hormones, but then connect to all of our organs. 175 00:24:32,223.463 --> 00:24:32,523.463 All right. 176 00:24:33,13.463 --> 00:24:47,563.463 So with that being said, um, going back to love, we are always having all of these different neurotransmitters being, uh, kind of going at different, different times. 177 00:24:47,883.463 --> 00:24:53,453.462 If your body stops making dopamine, you will die because dopamine is required. 178 00:24:53,783.463 --> 00:25:04,693.463 One of those pathways, for example, is a pathway that keeps our muscles moving, right? So, like, if your heart's not moving, um, you're, you're gonna be dead. 179 00:25:05,73.462 --> 00:25:09,593.463 So, just know that, that's why we say low dopamine, low serotonin. 180 00:25:10,323.463 --> 00:25:13,873.463 We use the word low because there, you will never be, No. 181 00:25:14,263.463 --> 00:25:32,878.463 And so there's optimal production that kind of equates to feeling good and, and, uh, easily being able to navigate from dysregulation back into, uh, It's a regulation and then there is unoptimal where you are staying in more dysregulation. 182 00:25:32,878.563 --> 00:25:47,248.463 So when we're talking about the neuroscience of love, really what we're talking about is this concoction of all these different neurotransmitters that cause all of these chemical processes in our body and all these different sensations in our body that are. 183 00:25:48,78.463 --> 00:25:52,278.463 Leading us to regulation. 184 00:25:52,438.463 --> 00:25:55,68.463 That is what the body is always trying to get back to. 185 00:25:55,68.463 --> 00:25:57,883.4625 It is always trying to go from dysregulation back into regulation. 186 00:25:57,883.4625 --> 00:26:07,618.463 And when we are with people that help us feel regulated, we kind of get addicted to it because we will make. 187 00:26:09,183.463 --> 00:26:17,733.463 Dopamine to repeat the behaviors that keep us engaged in that way of co regulating with these individuals. 188 00:26:18,133.463 --> 00:26:22,603.463 And we then equate that with love. 189 00:26:22,983.463 --> 00:26:25,633.462 And I'm not saying love is made up. 190 00:26:26,118.463 --> 00:26:27,38.463 It's real. 191 00:26:27,88.463 --> 00:26:32,78.463 These are real sensations and feelings that you're, that you're experiencing in your body. 192 00:26:32,98.463 --> 00:26:39,838.462 This is, this biology is real and different people will bring out these different sensations in your body. 193 00:26:39,838.463 --> 00:26:41,628.463 So that kind of moves us into emotions. 194 00:26:41,978.462 --> 00:26:48,598.463 So emotions are the bridge between our body and our mind are kind of our thoughts and feelings about it. 195 00:26:48,618.463 --> 00:26:58,648.463 So we have the, the sensations, meaning what we actually are experiencing in our body that You know, and we use the word feelings interchangeably with our thoughts. 196 00:26:59,138.463 --> 00:27:03,748.462 So our feelings are more of our thoughts and, or they could be in the body. 197 00:27:03,748.463 --> 00:27:13,958.463 But I find that most of the people when they're using the word feelings, they are talking about their words about that, what they are experiencing. 198 00:27:14,778.463 --> 00:27:42,798.462 And so, but our emotions are actually biological and when we experience, and there's really only, Seven emotions that we experience, and then we have thoughts about the combinations and the, and the, the levels of the different emotions that we, and the, um, the outward environment in which we are experiencing those emotions and we create stories around it. 199 00:27:43,318.463 --> 00:27:45,873.363 And together, that all comes together. 200 00:27:46,943.463 --> 00:27:48,13.463 Is what we call love. 201 00:27:49,153.463 --> 00:28:09,193.462 So when we are with another person and we are feeling good in our body and we're having those chemical reactions and we are co regulating and we feel, you know, at peace, we, we often feel that as love or sometimes it's not even peaceful, but it's familiar and therefore feels less. 202 00:28:09,933.463 --> 00:28:12,33.463 subconsciously feels less scary. 203 00:28:12,393.463 --> 00:28:13,593.463 We equated with love. 204 00:28:14,233.463 --> 00:28:27,403.462 And when that goes away, the way in which we co regulate, especially when you are relying on another individual to help you co regulate. 205 00:28:27,443.463 --> 00:28:29,3.462 And by the way, there's nothing wrong with that. 206 00:28:29,13.463 --> 00:28:33,853.463 We are meant as humans to co regulate with other people. 207 00:28:34,173.463 --> 00:28:46,53.463 So Having the feelings of being in love, being in love, being with other people and co regulating together in ways that are pleasurable is what we are meant to do. 208 00:28:46,573.463 --> 00:28:51,203.463 And when that goes away, It is super dysregulating. 209 00:28:52,123.463 --> 00:29:05,343.463 We will, our dopamine levels change and shift and what pulls up our dopamine, the oxytocin levels change and shift and our serotonin levels change and shift. 210 00:29:05,973.463 --> 00:29:11,263.463 And chances are you're not engaging in activities that are building anandamide. 211 00:29:12,408.463 --> 00:29:35,838.463 The actual bliss molecule, and so it might be easy to turn to other substances or other activities that will help you bring back either endorphins to reduce the pain that you're experiencing or increase anandamide or increase serotonin or increase dopamine, and we will engage in those activities. 212 00:29:37,693.463 --> 00:29:56,563.463 And we might even find ourselves grasping for those other activities because our bodies are now dysregulated because the ways that we when we're in loving relationships, or, you know, what I kind of was talking about and, and relationships that help us regulate our nervous system. 213 00:29:57,978.463 --> 00:30:00,28.463 We can rely on them and depend on them. 214 00:30:00,28.463 --> 00:30:04,268.463 We do that whether or not we want to, or we're even conscious of it. 215 00:30:04,728.463 --> 00:30:12,138.463 Um, we do that with people that maybe are good for us or maybe are not good for us, um, for our longer term objectives. 216 00:30:12,548.462 --> 00:30:12,938.462 And. 217 00:30:13,268.463 --> 00:30:27,418.463 When that goes away, it feels devastating, and there is a disruption, and it is dysregulating, and we need to find other ways to regulate if that opportunity to regulate is gone. 218 00:30:27,758.462 --> 00:30:43,888.463 Sometimes it's because, you know, of communication, or social pressures, or, you know, Whatever the, you know, other things, sometimes it's because the person dies, and we have now lost our main way of co regulation. 219 00:30:44,358.463 --> 00:31:17,718.462 Sometimes the person goes away, whether, you know, incarceration, or maybe they get sick and they have an illness, and now they're not able to be the way that we were able to co regulate, and we are having to discover all of this on our own, and it is, um, This is when community is super actually important and, um, yeah, I, um, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pause for a moment and ask if anyone has any questions or anything and I'm also going to take a drink of water. 220 00:31:18,648.463 --> 00:31:26,758.4625 At this moment, so and you can raise your hand and come on up and join the discussion and let me take my sip of water in a mic. 221 00:31:26,758.4625 --> 00:31:27,978.463 If you feel called to. 222 00:31:39,18.462 --> 00:31:43,508.463 Hey, Wendy, here, lovely to catch you on the road. 223 00:31:43,858.463 --> 00:31:45,138.462 So it's not too noisy. 224 00:31:45,798.463 --> 00:31:47,38.463 And I. 225 00:31:47,738.463 --> 00:32:19,43.463 I obviously am just stepping in, but I, in this moment about the co regulation, but like, it's funny because I feel like I'm back now into my community in, in the, I have been in community space with people in physical form, but I'm just kind of more in it and also in a, in a different way, like maybe people are less, um, Yeah, they're not just in the bracket, um, in the healing space, a bit more broad. 226 00:32:19,403.463 --> 00:32:31,833.463 And it's funny because like, Oh my God, my system is so interesting because, Oh, my system was like, I'm not sure I like this, this co regulation, you know, it's really interesting. 227 00:32:31,833.463 --> 00:32:33,843.463 But at the same time, there's some medicine in it. 228 00:32:34,573.463 --> 00:32:36,273.363 So I find it really interesting. 229 00:32:36,423.463 --> 00:33:11,448.463 Always really interesting going into different groups because there's like that one response of like this isn't the nervous system That I want to be around or my my nervous system doesn't want to need or then it's like But actually maybe my sister I feel often I often feel like my system is the system that they regulate to and that's Somehow it annoys me a little bit because I'm like, you know, because so many people are so dysregulated now, they're just so like, they don't know how to regulate. 230 00:33:12,118.463 --> 00:33:20,848.463 Um, so that's, that's my awareness at the moment that I'm just like, do I want to be in these spaces? How are they affecting me again? And yeah, so. 231 00:33:21,543.463 --> 00:33:28,473.463 Um, I'm, I'm just going to leave that there because I, it's not a question, but I, it's definitely an informed experience at the moment. 232 00:33:30,523.463 --> 00:33:31,273.463 Hey, hey, Masha. 233 00:33:31,303.463 --> 00:33:33,3.463 I love your dysregulated sound. 234 00:33:34,333.462 --> 00:33:34,893.463 That was great. 235 00:33:35,123.462 --> 00:33:35,563.463 Thank you. 236 00:33:38,143.463 --> 00:33:49,353.463 Thank you for, for coming up and yes, the dysregulation is, you know, is the thing that I see and as a, as a coach that helps. 237 00:33:49,863.463 --> 00:33:56,323.463 People like learn how to regulate their nervous system and actively works on it. 238 00:33:56,943.463 --> 00:34:02,443.463 I, you know, I, I'm, I definitely walk my walk as much as I possibly can. 239 00:34:03,53.462 --> 00:34:14,943.463 I also know how hard it is when you're around really dysregulated people and how hard it is to keep showing up regulated when other people are not. 240 00:34:15,503.463 --> 00:34:17,353.463 And it's tiring and exhausting. 241 00:34:17,353.463 --> 00:34:26,763.463 And so I want to, I want to acknowledge that and, and, and understand and commiserate with you. 242 00:34:27,313.463 --> 00:34:32,353.4625 And then I want to, um, mention something here in the comments. 243 00:34:32,353.4625 --> 00:34:44,633.463 So he had said, I was on SSRIs fairly high dose when I met my husband, I came off them in January, February, and my marriage started to break down in August. 244 00:34:45,358.463 --> 00:34:55,808.463 I was just wondering if the SSRIs masked signals that things weren't okay and coming off them made me more aware of how I was feeling. 245 00:34:56,478.463 --> 00:35:02,268.463 And I will say yes, this is, um, as a microdosing coach. 246 00:35:02,903.463 --> 00:35:23,783.463 I, I mostly work with people with ADHD, but I don't only work with people with ADHD and I'm going to, uh, and I'm going to use right now, uh, some of my clients stories, you know, with, um, with caution, because there's multiple of them that have the same. 247 00:35:24,173.463 --> 00:35:36,828.463 And so the, I'm going to use the ones that don't even, you know, That weren't on ADHD medications, so I can speak specifically on SSRIs without the added layer of ADHD medications as well. 248 00:35:37,538.463 --> 00:35:48,113.463 And the, The awareness of the fact that there's two parts to it. 249 00:35:48,153.463 --> 00:36:02,898.463 So number one, whatever was there before you got on the SSRIs, like whatever the reason was that, you know, spurred the process to get on the SSRIs. 250 00:36:02,898.463 --> 00:36:08,663.463 And for those joining late in the room, I did mention I'm not anti SSRIs. 251 00:36:08,663.463 --> 00:36:09,873.463 I think they're super powerful too. 252 00:36:09,893.463 --> 00:36:12,803.463 They're a great short term solution. 253 00:36:15,313.463 --> 00:36:25,253.463 There's, that's still there unless you've actively worked to process whatever was, was, was leading up to meeting the SSRIs. 254 00:36:25,663.463 --> 00:36:37,333.463 So whatever the dysregulation, the, the trauma, the, um, whatever the experiences are that led into that, they're still there and they still have to be processed. 255 00:36:37,953.463 --> 00:36:38,943.463 And when you start. 256 00:36:39,438.463 --> 00:36:41,248.463 Weaning off of SSRIs. 257 00:36:41,288.463 --> 00:37:15,708.463 If you have not processed them, they're going to come up and they are going and you're going to have to Because your body wants as I keep saying over and over again Your body wants to move from dysregulation to regulation and that process involves moving the energy that was created during times of stress out of your body and it your body your mind your spirit your symphony of selves and Jordan will work together to move that energy out in the ways that it knows how. 258 00:37:16,678.463 --> 00:37:35,188.463 And so when you move, when you taper off of SSRIs or come off of SSRIs, all of the The things that you probably, that most people avoid while they're on SSRIs, because they do not have to now, they're not even aware to face them anymore. 259 00:37:35,228.463 --> 00:37:41,768.463 They're not aware to face the stress, because stress and pain is a signal of something that needs to be processed. 260 00:37:42,378.462 --> 00:37:49,498.463 And when you're not processing that, and you're not getting the signals to process it, you, you're usually not. 261 00:37:49,828.463 --> 00:38:08,883.363 And so Before um, you know, just as a method to my madness when I am working with someone, I, we don't even start the tapering process or microdosing process until we start developing practices that help them, um, work. 262 00:38:09,333.463 --> 00:38:29,693.462 Become comfortable with sensations arising in their body, comfortable with having difficult conversations with their spouses, because in multiple of them, not all of them in multiple situations, they were married and. 263 00:38:30,673.463 --> 00:38:55,43.463 It's important that they have these, these kind of practices in place before they come off the SSRIs because things are going to come up and if they don't already have a good process to talk through things, um, that come up, you're now going to have no, no choice but to face what's, you're going to be feeling everything that you've been masking with the SSRIs. 264 00:38:55,563.463 --> 00:38:58,688.463 Um, So there's, there's that part. 265 00:38:58,718.463 --> 00:39:06,298.462 And then with the, I, I like micro, personally, I like micro dosing as a tool to help with this process. 266 00:39:06,298.463 --> 00:39:20,743.463 But it's micro dosing, just saying micro dosing is not the end all be all, it's the process To do it now, you can get can find the right, um, substance and protocol that will help you. 267 00:39:21,253.463 --> 00:39:23,973.463 And especially if you already have those tools in place. 268 00:39:24,453.463 --> 00:39:30,133.462 And so, um, I think that answered your question, or answered your, your, your, your question. 269 00:39:30,758.463 --> 00:39:43,828.462 I don't know if there was a question in there, but hopefully that you can either, um, and Mike, if you feel comfortable or you can drop it in the chat, if you do not want to unmike, if you can. 270 00:39:44,48.462 --> 00:39:49,438.463 And if anyone has anything else to say on it, you can jump in like Jordan. 271 00:39:49,468.463 --> 00:39:54,378.463 I know you have a book on microdosing coming up very, very soon. 272 00:39:55,8.463 --> 00:40:03,268.462 So maybe you have, was there anything about love in your microdosing book? Well, in a sense that when you think about the three big. 273 00:40:04,33.463 --> 00:40:06,973.463 Uh, benefits of microdosing, three big categories. 274 00:40:06,973.463 --> 00:40:09,693.463 One is physical and mental health conditions. 275 00:40:10,253.463 --> 00:40:13,63.463 One is enhanced wellness performance and the flow. 276 00:40:13,93.463 --> 00:40:22,413.463 But the third is really increased communication, both between your own Symphony of selves inside of you and with other people in your world. 277 00:40:22,683.463 --> 00:40:42,63.463 So, for example, in the little bit we have about, you know, are people really having better sex if they're microdosing? We say, yes, we're getting those reports, but it's mainly because relationships are nicer and people are, we don't say this exactly, but it is so that they're, they're co regulating better with each other. 278 00:40:42,63.463 --> 00:40:48,243.463 And, and that's what leads to more physical, uh, you know, embracing and tomfoolery. 279 00:40:48,563.463 --> 00:40:49,133.463 As it were. 280 00:40:49,543.463 --> 00:40:55,213.463 So I, I think that microdosing really does bring everybody back to equilibrium. 281 00:40:55,213.463 --> 00:41:00,673.463 I mean, we have, you know, when you look deeply into the word equilibrium, you find out everybody defines it their own way. 282 00:41:00,943.463 --> 00:41:08,593.463 So what does it really mean? You're being drawn back into a more helpful way of all of your systems operating with each other in ways that serve you. 283 00:41:08,953.463 --> 00:41:13,813.463 And that's what we find seems to happen when people microdose especially. 284 00:41:14,28.463 --> 00:41:42,333.463 In a conservative way, and sometimes if, you know, with a coach or therapist, if that's the kind of person they are, and so I think that you really do, uh, you have, you know, on the part about just yourself, it's you're more aware that you have different selves and you're more able to coordinate them and know which one is up and know why in some cases you're not going to want to let one of yourselves have Uh, the stage as it were too long. 285 00:41:42,333.463 --> 00:41:59,193.462 I had a thing like that a couple of weeks ago where I was just like crying uncontrollably and after a little bit of time I reminded myself that I still had a lot of stuff to get done and I might as well turn what had happened into a creative outpouring and get busy and move my body and do all those things. 286 00:41:59,483.462 --> 00:42:01,403.462 So I did that and that part of me. 287 00:42:01,853.463 --> 00:42:09,333.463 You know, after it got to feel fully feel its feelings, it basically went back into the audience after it felt like it was heard. 288 00:42:09,353.463 --> 00:42:11,423.463 So you've got that going on with yourself. 289 00:42:11,813.463 --> 00:42:23,153.463 And then, you know, what we've always said about multiple selves is that one of the great advantages of knowing that everyone else in your life has selves is that when they do something that pisses you off in real time, or it's really weird. 290 00:42:23,418.463 --> 00:42:27,878.463 Unless it's, you know, crazy over the top, you really never want to be in the same room with them again. 291 00:42:27,878.463 --> 00:42:31,188.463 You can remind yourself that this is just one part of who they are. 292 00:42:31,398.463 --> 00:42:52,738.463 This isn't all of who they are, and they might have parts that don't work well, and they might have, um, you know, we don't like the mental illness monikers very well, and just instead say the peoples have a dysregulated self system, and they're, you know, one part of them is not aware what the other part is doing, and they're saying things that are confusing people, and they're not being consistent in their actions. 293 00:42:53,418.463 --> 00:43:01,628.463 So once you kind of get that control, everybody can always control which part of who they're in and what they're doing. 294 00:43:01,648.463 --> 00:43:07,368.463 It's a lot easier to be passionate and to give people second chances. 295 00:43:07,398.462 --> 00:43:09,128.463 And that doesn't always happen. 296 00:43:09,128.463 --> 00:43:11,518.462 I've had a with someone who's been up. 297 00:43:12,308.463 --> 00:43:17,408.463 A service to me for 20 years and I don't think we can come back from it and I think it's better that way. 298 00:43:17,458.463 --> 00:43:18,268.463 Now that I look at it. 299 00:43:18,278.463 --> 00:43:22,238.462 So, yeah, thanks for asking me Wendy. 300 00:43:26,488.463 --> 00:43:27,138.462 I love that. 301 00:43:27,658.463 --> 00:43:39,808.463 Um, and thank you so much for, for your wisdom and your, your insights because I, I learned so much from you and I'm, I'm always appreciative. 302 00:43:40,628.463 --> 00:43:48,878.463 Of everybody's shares, actually, um, all, all of it, all of us, we all, I think we all learn from each other. 303 00:43:48,878.463 --> 00:43:58,558.462 Although I have to admit that sometimes when the science starts going fast and you start talking about parameters, I'll go back like a step and ask, you know, Google or Wikipedia. 304 00:43:58,568.462 --> 00:44:02,678.463 What is a neurotransmitter? You know, I need to sometimes remind myself on that. 305 00:44:03,133.463 --> 00:44:04,693.463 very basic level. 306 00:44:04,703.463 --> 00:44:11,373.463 You know, we use these words all the time and so much, and then I like to just, and that's why I'm reading that, uh, book on. 307 00:44:11,738.463 --> 00:44:16,768.463 Electricity, uh, by, uh, Sally, a D, we are electric. 308 00:44:17,268.463 --> 00:44:29,998.4625 And, uh, you know, there was for a long time, huge disagreements, whether there was a kind of bioelectricity that actually flowed through human beings and how it worked and then what neurons were and how they communicated. 309 00:44:29,998.4625 --> 00:44:33,23.463 So, uh, We're still on a learning curve on that. 310 00:44:33,23.463 --> 00:44:43,733.463 We don't at all have all the information in on what we as electrical beings are and how different parts of us and different cells in particular and neurons in particular communicate with each other. 311 00:44:43,733.463 --> 00:44:57,393.463 So it's really nice to be in these spaces with you, because I know you have such an incredible thirst for knowledge and soak it up and really, so I always learn from you. 312 00:45:01,608.463 --> 00:45:02,588.463 Aw, thank you. 313 00:45:02,688.463 --> 00:45:15,608.462 Yeah, I know I tried to, I tried to bring it back every so often and be like, okay, just as a reminder, neurotransmitters are the basically brain's way of sending signals to the endocrine system. 314 00:45:15,658.463 --> 00:45:20,98.462 So then the endocrine system can tell the organs, you know, what to do. 315 00:45:20,688.463 --> 00:45:24,308.463 Um, and yeah, neurotransmitter, right. 316 00:45:24,318.463 --> 00:45:30,918.463 Is a chemical that is released by the axon of one neurotransmitter. 317 00:45:32,23.463 --> 00:45:37,963.463 Neuron and picked up by the dendrites of others and there's like eight or ten or twelve main different ones. 318 00:45:37,963.463 --> 00:45:42,103.463 Is that right? So this is where it starts getting complicated. 319 00:45:42,103.463 --> 00:45:49,223.463 So kind of that, that's the transmission of neurotransmitters is what you, you explained that correctly. 320 00:45:49,703.463 --> 00:45:58,253.463 So what's interesting about neurotransmitters, we a lot of times in the, in science it, everything kind of gets, a lot of things get clumped together. 321 00:45:58,253.463 --> 00:46:00,143.463 So I kind of mentioned neuropeptides. 322 00:46:00,143.463 --> 00:46:02,903.463 So like oxytocin is technically not a neurotransmitter. 323 00:46:04,8.463 --> 00:46:06,928.463 Neuropeptide, right? Did I get that one? Oxytocin is one. 324 00:46:07,178.463 --> 00:46:09,148.463 Some are neurotransmitters, some are neuropeptides. 325 00:46:09,448.463 --> 00:46:12,968.463 And it just, it kind of just depends on where the end point is. 326 00:46:13,428.462 --> 00:46:17,998.462 So when it comes to neurotransmitters, the end point is a neuron. 327 00:46:19,88.462 --> 00:46:21,718.462 And so it's still working within the nervous system. 328 00:46:22,388.463 --> 00:46:26,718.463 When the, uh, it's just staying within the nervous system. 329 00:46:26,998.463 --> 00:46:31,958.463 When the end point is a neuron that is attached. 330 00:46:32,563.463 --> 00:46:39,593.463 To the endocrine to a, um, an organ, it's a neuropeptide. 331 00:46:40,503.463 --> 00:46:48,663.462 And then when the, uh, there's another neuro, I can't remember what the other one is called. 332 00:46:49,743.463 --> 00:46:53,773.463 I can't, sorry, my brain is, is not remembering, but there's another one too. 333 00:46:54,43.463 --> 00:46:57,568.463 And it's, uh, It depends on how the end attaches. 334 00:46:57,888.463 --> 00:47:10,538.462 But when you're talking about from neuron to neuron with the dendrites, um, the neurotransmitters, that's how they move through the nervous system, is from the one end, from the axon to the dendrite. 335 00:47:10,978.462 --> 00:47:19,763.463 And then with the, But the end result determines whether or not it's a neuro or a neuropeptide, and then that's a lot of science. 336 00:47:19,913.463 --> 00:47:22,813.463 And so it's just easier to say neurotransmitter for all of it. 337 00:47:23,463.463 --> 00:47:33,353.463 And so, um, but I just, it's the, it's kind of the message you can kind of think is the email running through the system and getting to an end result. 338 00:47:33,353.463 --> 00:47:38,733.463 So sometimes the email is just going from, uh, or like, maybe like the. 339 00:47:39,343.463 --> 00:47:40,363.463 It's not even the email. 340 00:47:40,893.463 --> 00:47:47,943.463 An email would be like a neuropeptide going to an organ and then it's just like the the words inside or the the the message. 341 00:47:48,628.463 --> 00:47:50,918.463 Maybe you can help me through on this. 342 00:47:51,68.463 --> 00:47:53,148.463 Let's say one. 343 00:47:53,858.463 --> 00:47:56,208.463 Help me understand the pathway of one. 344 00:47:56,218.463 --> 00:48:02,698.463 Let's say serotonin molecule all the way through and how it ends up actually affecting how you feel. 345 00:48:03,48.463 --> 00:48:08,163.4625 Like, how does that happen? That's that's where I, I really have no idea how things happen. 346 00:48:08,163.4625 --> 00:48:09,308.463 Or maybe one. 347 00:48:10,508.463 --> 00:48:16,618.463 So you picked serotonin, which is actually one of the more complicated ones because serotonin is made in both the brain and the digestive system. 348 00:48:17,48.463 --> 00:48:18,558.463 So if we're just going to be talking about. 349 00:48:20,468.463 --> 00:48:22,528.463 From the brain. 350 00:48:22,538.463 --> 00:48:23,488.463 I'm better with dopamine. 351 00:48:23,488.563 --> 00:48:24,318.463 Yeah, go ahead. 352 00:48:24,408.463 --> 00:48:27,868.463 See, I'm just a little bit better with dopamine only because I can remember. 353 00:48:28,828.463 --> 00:48:32,98.463 I can remember the, actually, no, all of it's super complex. 354 00:48:32,158.463 --> 00:48:34,28.463 I'm going to forget all the words to all the parts. 355 00:48:34,48.463 --> 00:48:36,858.463 Like I can see it in my mind, but I don't remember what they're called. 356 00:48:37,318.463 --> 00:48:39,588.463 And so like, I know the process. 357 00:48:39,588.463 --> 00:48:47,88.463 So like, um, everything's this, everything's a circuit, so there's no like start to finish completely. 358 00:48:47,88.563 --> 00:48:47,358.363 Right. 359 00:48:47,438.463 --> 00:48:47,778.463 Right. 360 00:48:47,828.463 --> 00:48:52,978.363 But when the dopamine is. 361 00:48:54,718.463 --> 00:49:01,148.463 produced, which is at, and there's multiple places in which the dopamine is produced. 362 00:49:01,208.463 --> 00:49:02,758.463 There's just more for serotonin. 363 00:49:03,208.462 --> 00:49:15,13.463 So um, Let's say when the dopamine is produced at the striatum versus the whatever negra thing. 364 00:49:15,163.463 --> 00:49:15,483.463 I don't remember. 365 00:49:15,903.463 --> 00:49:27,293.463 See, that's why I'm like, okay, let me, let me see if I can pull up when I, this is why I like writing my blog posts because sometimes I use them as, um, my guidelines because then I can find the words. 366 00:49:27,363.463 --> 00:49:27,933.463 Let me pull up. 367 00:49:28,463.463 --> 00:49:30,253.463 One of the posts that has it. 368 00:49:30,713.463 --> 00:49:31,143.463 Oh my gosh. 369 00:49:31,143.463 --> 00:49:32,213.463 I have an error on my website. 370 00:49:32,333.463 --> 00:49:32,373.463 Oops. 371 00:49:32,373.463 --> 00:49:38,963.463 I've got to fix that one Is it this one? It might be this one. 372 00:49:40,653.463 --> 00:49:50,918.463 Okay, so All right, so let me guess let me use the dopamine one because I know I have this written down So there's me four major pathways of dopamine. 373 00:49:50,918.563 --> 00:49:58,498.463 The mesocortical, the mesolimbic, the negrostriatal, and the tuberofundibular. 374 00:49:58,858.463 --> 00:50:00,38.463 I'm never going to remember those names. 375 00:50:00,38.463 --> 00:50:07,998.463 I don't work with it every single day, right? So the mesocortical pathway goes from the front, the prefrontal cortex. 376 00:50:08,498.463 --> 00:50:12,668.463 So we talk about this a lot, right? So, excuse me. 377 00:50:13,218.463 --> 00:50:24,663.463 Um, so we, when we talk about like, uh, logic or central executive network, especially in ADHD, we talk a lot A lot about like the C and executive network, executive functioning, we're talking about the prefrontal cortex. 378 00:50:24,663.463 --> 00:50:29,983.463 So it's the front part of your brain and cognitive processes. 379 00:50:31,613.462 --> 00:50:35,143.463 It begins and ends in that pathway. 380 00:50:35,568.463 --> 00:50:38,808.463 Right? So, it's only staying within that pathway. 381 00:50:39,108.463 --> 00:50:58,378.463 Then you have the mesolimbic pathway, which goes from, uh, like with the limbic structures and the nucleus accumbens, the abygdala, and the hippocampus, and will also move out to the PFC, so the prefrontal cortex, to engage the reward system. 382 00:50:58,768.463 --> 00:51:02,668.463 But it, the mesolimbic pathway pretty much stays within the limbic structures. 383 00:51:02,873.463 --> 00:51:03,133.463 Right. 384 00:51:03,133.463 --> 00:51:07,353.463 So like the point, the beginning and end stays within the Olympic structures. 385 00:51:07,403.463 --> 00:51:07,793.463 Right. 386 00:51:08,723.463 --> 00:51:48,978.463 But they will often work together, the mesolimbic and mesocortical and will move to different, uh, which will, which will cause different, So like when you've got the, the HPA, so the, the hypothalamus pituitary adrenal, right? If the dopamine is signaling in the mes, meso limbic pathway or the mesocortical pathway will then trigger the hypothalamus to start making different. 387 00:51:50,513.463 --> 00:52:14,128.5255 Neurotransmitters, uh, primarily either cortisol or serotonin to then, uh, I'll be able to trigger the process of for the pituitary gland to signal to the adrenal gland to make either, uh, cortisol or to keep production of serotonin. 388 00:52:14,548.5255 --> 00:52:18,973.5255 Do you see how complicated this gets? Right? And that's even with Yeah. 389 00:52:19,393.5255 --> 00:52:20,593.5255 Way, way too complicated. 390 00:52:21,723.5255 --> 00:52:25,573.5255 I mean, I would need to really study this and see images and write it out. 391 00:52:25,573.5255 --> 00:52:28,393.5255 I could never remember all this stuff, so I'm impressed that you can. 392 00:52:28,493.5255 --> 00:52:28,853.5255 Right. 393 00:52:28,873.5245 --> 00:52:33,713.5245 So, well, I couldn't remember, like, mesolimbic and mesocortical right then when I was thinking about it. 394 00:52:33,713.5255 --> 00:52:35,173.5255 That's why I pulled up my blog post. 395 00:52:35,613.5245 --> 00:53:04,133.5255 So, just FYI, a lot of times blog posts are for me, so I, I, Can pull up something when I need to remember it because I'll remember which blog post it's in But you know, I didn't mention the HPA at all in that blog post, but it's just because I know That process so yeah That's why I like to just talk about things very generally and stuff and why I use things like the physical energy system Because when you start getting into the complete Neuroscience and all of it. 396 00:53:04,133.5255 --> 00:53:12,353.5255 It's just It gets really complicated to talk about all the processes, but at the end of the day, we're talking about things that are happening in the body. 397 00:53:12,613.5255 --> 00:53:29,613.5245 And then when you start talking about then the emotions and how And I don't even talk, I talk, I keep fascia separate usually because fascia is, it's what I, you know, it's the physical connecting point to the emotional energy system. 398 00:53:30,253.5255 --> 00:53:46,73.5255 And then you have the mental energy system which is, uh, uses the brain to talk to the, the, the mind uses the, interacts with the brain first. 399 00:53:46,523.5255 --> 00:53:49,458.4255 And then, uh, uses energy. 400 00:53:49,868.5255 --> 00:53:55,538.5255 Signals emotions to then talk to the body to respond, it gets so complicated. 401 00:53:56,488.5255 --> 00:54:07,118.5245 So, Wendy, hi, I'll hear, um, just wanted to come in and say it's, it's, it is very, very detailed this level. 402 00:54:07,508.5255 --> 00:54:12,418.5255 And I think when I was sort of wondering about the neuroscience of love and losing love. 403 00:54:13,488.5255 --> 00:54:20,838.5255 And I was kind of what I, what I was reflecting on was the sort of nervous system state, um, on a, maybe on a more macro level. 404 00:54:20,858.5255 --> 00:54:27,78.5255 So when I talk about that, I'm, I'm almost visualizing a sort of grid pattern in my body. 405 00:54:27,728.5255 --> 00:54:32,518.5255 Um, that's sort of like in, in different kind of configurations and so on. 406 00:54:32,538.5255 --> 00:54:40,778.5255 And, um, you know, when I'm with someone else, they're, pattern, like what their nervous system state is in. 407 00:54:41,258.5255 --> 00:54:44,628.5255 Um, you know, either mine can influence theirs or there's mine. 408 00:54:44,978.5255 --> 00:54:54,138.5255 And I think if you're close to somebody and you're in that sort of love relationship, it's almost like you tend to reflect each other's, um, body status. 409 00:54:54,548.5245 --> 00:55:08,663.5255 This could maybe be at the level of mirror neurons, maybe, um, Um, so at that sort of pattern macro level, how nervous systems seem to influence and dance with each other and, you know, maybe one person's taking the lead or the other one. 410 00:55:09,183.5255 --> 00:55:15,53.5255 And, um, yeah, so yeah, I'm just sort of interested in your reflections on, on that level. 411 00:55:15,673.5255 --> 00:55:16,33.5255 I'm sure. 412 00:55:16,853.5255 --> 00:55:25,123.5255 That only happens because of all the, you know, machinations and, and goings on with the neurotransmitters beneath that. 413 00:55:25,673.5255 --> 00:55:39,393.5245 But yeah, that's kind of the level of which I'm interested in, in how the, the sort of maybe the social space or the mental space that you have with somebody influences how your nervous systems interact. 414 00:55:40,143.5245 --> 00:55:40,853.5245 Anyway, I'll leave it there. 415 00:55:41,958.5255 --> 00:55:42,818.5255 Well, I love it. 416 00:55:42,828.5255 --> 00:55:47,238.5255 So that actually leads us into the, you basically described the emotional energy system. 417 00:55:47,538.5255 --> 00:55:55,938.5255 And I love that you kind of had the knowing sense of almost like a grid like over your body. 418 00:55:55,938.5255 --> 00:56:06,928.5255 So the fascia, it, for those who do not know, is a web like structure that covers every single muscle organ, everything in your body. 419 00:56:07,208.5255 --> 00:56:07,558.5255 Body. 420 00:56:07,558.5255 --> 00:56:08,178.5255 It's like a web. 421 00:56:08,178.5255 --> 00:56:13,158.5255 And when you pull one string of the web, the entire system is affected. 422 00:56:13,768.5255 --> 00:56:24,793.4255 And that's, you know, if you want to, if you want to paint a picture, that is what we're talking about when we're talking about the web. 423 00:56:25,463.5255 --> 00:56:26,953.5255 nervous system regulation. 424 00:56:27,433.5255 --> 00:56:33,383.5255 It is energy flowing through the fascia without being disrupted. 425 00:56:33,673.5255 --> 00:56:38,703.5255 So imagine that web and that like I'm going to paint a visual here. 426 00:56:39,53.5255 --> 00:56:40,663.5255 This is not necessarily science. 427 00:56:40,683.5255 --> 00:56:46,63.5245 This is about being able to paint a visual so that way you can kind of understand the science. 428 00:56:46,63.5245 --> 00:56:56,533.5255 So imagine all those little, you've got that nervous system with electricity kind of flowing through and we just kind of talked about the neurotransmitters, how it's like really, really complicated, but we can kind of picture. 429 00:56:56,843.5255 --> 00:57:11,473.5245 An electrical grid pattern interweaving with muscles and bones right now picture a like a web structure that's covering all of it and. 430 00:57:12,543.5255 --> 00:57:14,803.5255 Energy is flowing through it. 431 00:57:14,813.5255 --> 00:57:25,333.5255 And maybe you can use a visual of like light moving along that web structure, just constantly kind of just all along it. 432 00:57:25,943.5255 --> 00:57:35,893.5255 And when we are regulated, that energy is flowing really nicely and beautifully, and it's just easy and moving. 433 00:57:36,453.5255 --> 00:57:40,753.5255 And when we're dysregulated, it's like little clouds or. 434 00:57:41,538.5255 --> 00:57:49,8.5255 Bottlenecks or the web being pulled in different directions, and it's causing tension underneath. 435 00:57:49,8.5255 --> 00:58:00,788.5255 So like the muscles and the bones and that electric system is all responding to the to these now to the web being kind of tightening up or restricting the movement underneath it. 436 00:58:01,793.5255 --> 00:58:02,903.5255 And that's our emotions. 437 00:58:02,903.5255 --> 00:58:19,273.5255 That's our emotional energy system and our mind, our thoughts and feelings about the situation, about the person, um, are kind of putting restriction. 438 00:58:19,743.5255 --> 00:58:31,443.5255 Maybe they're putting restrictions on that web structure or maybe our mind is allowing the energy to flow and that is how our mind influences the body directly. 439 00:58:32,983.5255 --> 00:58:33,833.5255 Physically. 440 00:58:34,233.5255 --> 00:58:42,443.5255 It, it through different processes, it creates a constriction around emotional energy flowing through our body. 441 00:58:42,973.5255 --> 00:58:53,363.5255 And when we are regulating with someone and we are like when we are co regulating in a positive way, in a way that is allowing the energy to flow, it will feel good in our bodies. 442 00:58:53,683.5255 --> 00:58:54,793.5255 It will feel good. 443 00:58:56,373.5255 --> 00:58:58,153.5255 Love it will feel lovely. 444 00:58:58,633.5255 --> 00:59:07,823.5255 It will feel we will feel connection and because that energy is flowing and when we are Dysregulated that energy will not be flowing. 445 00:59:07,823.5255 --> 00:59:24,658.5255 Well, and we will Um, and whatever the reasons why, whether it's something coming up from the body, influence, influencing that energetic flow of the emotions, or whether it's something coming from the mind influencing that. 446 00:59:24,988.5255 --> 00:59:34,948.5255 And when we were talking socially, there is a mechanism that will have our energetic emotional energy flow. 447 00:59:35,913.5255 --> 00:59:41,853.5255 Try to synchronize with the other person's energetic emotional flow. 448 00:59:42,303.5255 --> 00:59:47,243.5255 So that web like structure of yours will be trying to synchronize. 449 00:59:47,633.5255 --> 01:00:26,468.5245 With the web light structure of the other person and the easiest visual I can give this is if you remember in science class along the way learning about like Waves and how there might be like a big wave like going up and down up and down up and down and there's a small wave short And when they collide, they don't collide and just disperse, they kind of mesh together and then the wave becomes smaller than the large wave and bigger than the smaller wave and the frequency in which the wave moves will be in the middle. 450 01:00:27,258.5255 --> 01:00:28,868.5255 And that's what co regulation is. 451 01:00:29,398.5255 --> 01:00:37,308.5245 And when you've got someone coming, and let's just, let's, let's assign the small waves. 452 01:00:38,413.5255 --> 01:00:43,163.5255 As as regulated, but it could be. 453 01:00:43,313.5255 --> 01:00:44,423.5255 It could be dysregulated too. 454 01:00:45,353.5255 --> 01:00:50,183.5255 And then you have actually, that's the May we'll have two types of dysregulation. 455 01:00:50,183.5255 --> 01:01:05,153.5255 You'll have small waves being dysregulated, maybe like avoidant behavior, and you have the big waves of being dysregulated, anxious behavior, and they're coming together and then they merge. 456 01:01:05,648.5255 --> 01:01:08,478.5255 In a way that actually feels good to both of them. 457 01:01:08,538.5255 --> 01:01:14,263.5255 It feels like co regulation, but in And because it is, it is a form of co regulating. 458 01:01:14,273.5255 --> 01:01:22,753.5255 You guys are syncing up your energetic waves together, your emotional energy waves together in a way that feels good to both of you. 459 01:01:23,703.5255 --> 01:01:32,363.5255 But if someone is already coming in with the middle waves, feeling regulated, they're going to feel the dysregulation of the other person. 460 01:01:32,983.5255 --> 01:01:38,143.5255 And hopefully they have the tools and skills to stay in that regulated state. 461 01:01:38,273.5255 --> 01:01:42,393.5255 So the other person who's dysregulated can come to those middle waves. 462 01:01:43,238.5255 --> 01:01:55,778.5255 Instead of the person with the middle waves, maybe having to move into dysregulation so that way they can come, then they can co regulate together, which is usually what most people are experienced with. 463 01:01:56,318.5255 --> 01:02:03,398.5245 Um, maybe someone who is very anxious, for example, thinking that those big waves, maybe they're regulated. 464 01:02:03,398.5245 --> 01:02:12,298.5255 They will move into a dysregulated, uh, voidant, the small waves, so that way the energy feels. 465 01:02:12,878.5255 --> 01:02:25,818.4245 More even and, um, that is emotional energy kind of in a visual nutshell, as much as possible audio lead through audio. 466 01:02:26,98.5245 --> 01:02:32,348.5255 Did that help me? Maybe you can't talk now. 467 01:02:32,468.5255 --> 01:02:34,78.5255 I know it's a busy time. 468 01:02:36,148.5255 --> 01:02:36,598.5255 Yeah. 469 01:02:38,198.5255 --> 01:02:39,638.5255 Oh well, hopefully it helped. 470 01:02:41,428.5255 --> 01:02:42,538.5255 Yeah, it did, it did help. 471 01:02:42,538.5255 --> 01:02:43,398.5255 Thank you so much. 472 01:02:43,398.5255 --> 01:02:45,348.5255 Yeah, I'm going to probably listen to it again. 473 01:02:45,368.5255 --> 01:02:48,508.5255 But yeah, that is, that is, that makes a lot of sense. 474 01:02:48,508.5255 --> 01:02:49,258.5255 It really does. 475 01:02:49,258.5255 --> 01:02:50,328.5255 Thank you so much. 476 01:02:50,358.5255 --> 01:02:51,198.5245 You're welcome. 477 01:02:51,288.5255 --> 01:02:55,678.5245 Yes, Jordan? I was doing an order of magnitude check. 478 01:02:56,873.5255 --> 01:03:12,453.5255 That is, I realize I have no idea what the total amount of neurotransmitting that is going on, like, at any given second of the body is, so, I hash chat GPT. 479 01:03:13,558.5255 --> 01:03:29,278.5255 And, um, I see now that the conclusion on average, each neuron, each neuron really, and then we have what, like 86 billion neurons in the central nervous system, releases millions to billions of neurotransmitter molecules per second. 480 01:03:30,128.5255 --> 01:03:32,948.5255 This massive activity enables thought, et cetera, and all that stuff. 481 01:03:32,948.5255 --> 01:03:39,398.5255 I mean, it's, it's, you know, they start with a single synaptic vesicle contains thousands of neurotransmitter molecules. 482 01:03:40,118.5255 --> 01:03:43,478.5255 Each action potentially to several vesicles typically to a few 100. 483 01:03:43,508.5255 --> 01:03:48,818.5245 This means millions of neurotransmitter molecules can be released per second per synapse. 484 01:03:48,828.5255 --> 01:03:59,298.5255 So it's it's, you know, it's it's it's I always I mean, I know in a certain sense that this kind of big order of magnitude number thing doesn't really show anything like when I say, yeah, 1. 485 01:03:59,358.5255 --> 01:04:02,568.5255 54 quadrillion molecules of fellows do, you know, single microgram. 486 01:04:02,608.5255 --> 01:04:17,293.5255 It doesn't really mean anything, but I'm just trying to get an understanding that there's All of these neurotransmitters can be, uh, released at, um, you know, in, in different, uh, amounts through all of the neurons. 487 01:04:17,303.5255 --> 01:04:21,93.5245 It's just like, there's just so much going on at any given moment. 488 01:04:21,103.5255 --> 01:04:28,833.5255 Like, it's unfathomable just how, you know, how big it is, you know? I know. 489 01:04:29,113.5255 --> 01:04:36,928.5255 That's 86 billion neurons with 10, 000 synapses, each of which can fire up to 100 times a second. 490 01:04:37,828.5255 --> 01:04:39,8.5255 Fucking crazy. 491 01:04:39,278.5255 --> 01:04:44,988.5255 It's like 10 to the 15th to the 10 to the 18th of neurotransmitter molecules a second in the brain. 492 01:04:44,988.5255 --> 01:04:46,848.5245 It's just a huge number. 493 01:04:47,408.5255 --> 01:05:09,748.5255 So that doesn't add anything, but it just Makes me trying to get a little sense of, you know, it's like when you look at one of those, uh, maps of relative scale, and there was this great website that you could go all the way down to, like, the quantum, the Planck level, and then all the way up to the size of the whole universe, and it took you through, like, what was a real thing on that level, and, uh, I just, I just, it's, it's boggling. 494 01:05:11,818.5255 --> 01:05:13,418.5255 Yeah, I, I agree. 495 01:05:13,808.5255 --> 01:05:17,868.5255 And it's one of the reasons why I really like to talk in the energy systems and. 496 01:05:19,408.5255 --> 01:05:34,438.5255 I find it useful to talk at that level because it becomes more visual, right? It becomes perceivable in, in the conversation and it becomes useful. 497 01:05:34,818.5255 --> 01:05:50,308.5255 And it's not, obviously it's not that I don't love science cause I love science and I love going into it, but, um, and, and it's also one of the reasons why I'm very, uh, I kind of. 498 01:05:50,308.6255 --> 01:05:50,448.4255 Yeah. 499 01:05:51,138.5255 --> 01:06:09,608.5245 nonchalantly disregard a lot of the conversations, especially in the psychedelic community, because when they focus too much on any one component, you, you've lost sight of the big picture and there's no way you have the answer. 500 01:06:10,58.5255 --> 01:06:14,868.5255 Jim is really big on not overplaying 5 HT to a receptor. 501 01:06:14,868.5255 --> 01:06:16,518.5255 He thinks that's way overblown. 502 01:06:16,518.5255 --> 01:06:22,8.5255 It's the place where they have a bit of a handle, so that's where all the focus is, but there's so much more going on. 503 01:06:22,648.5245 --> 01:06:39,303.5255 Yeah, I mean, even, like, uh, for example, I'm gonna use a non, uh, non-legal microdosing molecule that I work with people with, which is kava. 504 01:06:39,883.5255 --> 01:06:59,963.5255 So kava is, uh, is known to increase serotonin and increase dopamine, right? Not, not to the levels necessarily of an SSRI, but it, it is known to do that, right? And. 505 01:07:00,768.5255 --> 01:07:13,538.5255 So, right, just even when I was talking about dopamine, because I'm more familiar with dopamine, um, but it's not that I'm unfamiliar with serotonin or unfamiliar with norepinephrine or unfamiliar with oxytocin. 506 01:07:13,858.5245 --> 01:07:26,663.5255 Actually, I'm really familiar with oxytocin and anandamide, but usually in the conversations of this and, um, Anandamide gets is not discussed pretty much anywhere except for in the cannabis conversations because of the endocannabinoid system. 507 01:07:27,163.5255 --> 01:07:32,663.5255 Um, and then people also talk about endorphins and, you know, all these different things there. 508 01:07:32,713.5255 --> 01:07:33,173.5245 It's just. 509 01:07:34,103.5245 --> 01:07:40,303.5255 It's there, they aren't the answer, like, there, there are just a small component of. 510 01:07:40,923.5255 --> 01:07:51,3.5255 Of a complex system that works within a system of systems of systems, which is who we are, and I find it less useful. 511 01:07:51,413.5255 --> 01:07:59,443.5255 For the conversation that most people are actually after, which is what's going to help me feel better in my life. 512 01:08:00,113.5255 --> 01:08:05,303.5255 And, um, and I love the, I love going deep into the science. 513 01:08:05,303.5255 --> 01:08:17,263.5255 I, I will still keep going deep into the science because I think people feel better when they have a way to explain something. 514 01:08:17,373.5255 --> 01:08:19,73.5255 I mean, that's the way our brains are designed. 515 01:08:19,373.5255 --> 01:08:21,333.5255 We like feeling. 516 01:08:21,963.5255 --> 01:08:31,133.5255 Uh, confident in our knowledge, and that gives us a sense of security and safety because anytime you can reduce uncertainty. 517 01:08:31,533.5255 --> 01:08:43,133.5255 So I understand the quest for wanting to reduce uncertainty, like in double blind placebo controlled studies, you're reducing uncertainty, but that's not the answer. 518 01:08:43,173.5255 --> 01:08:49,983.5255 And it is not the true magic in doing any of this work. 519 01:08:50,353.5255 --> 01:08:51,898.4255 The magic is always in doing it. 520 01:08:52,308.5255 --> 01:08:57,968.5255 Finding ways to regulate the nervous system, because then the body knows exactly what to do when you're regulated. 521 01:08:58,568.5255 --> 01:09:02,428.5255 And that, to me, is where really the focus is. 522 01:09:02,428.5255 --> 01:09:12,118.5245 How do you get into nervous system regulation? And stay there as much as possible, or come back to nervous system regulation as much as possible. 523 01:09:12,768.5255 --> 01:09:18,528.5255 And that's when healing and, and all of the things you talk about in microdosing in your book in microdosing. 524 01:09:20,898.5255 --> 01:09:43,998.5255 Well, would you agree with the notion that, uh, in some sense, microdoses are like a vitamin pill in that they just generally tend to Overall, not in all cases, because of course you can have, you know, you can have neuroplasticity that's not good neuroplasticity and, and imprint bad things and all that. 525 01:09:43,998.5255 --> 01:09:53,338.5245 But overall microdoses bring people back to equilibrium and regulation and they feel better and so they can heal better or perform better or whatever it is. 526 01:09:53,338.6245 --> 01:10:26,373.5255 You think that's an overstatement or is that fair? Um, I think it's in particular with microdosing compared to large doses, it is, if you look like once again, kind of like going through all these really complex different systems and thinking about what the molecules do, and you can see it very easily in large doses, but you're now starting to bring in other factors. 527 01:10:27,3.5255 --> 01:10:32,633.5255 And in particular stress on the system, which causes dysregulation. 528 01:10:33,453.5255 --> 01:11:08,648.5255 When you are bringing it in, in smaller doses that are not causing stress on the body, you're actually allowing nervous system regulation, and that is why you see such broad benefits and throughout the board, across the board, but not, you can't pinpoint exactly why, because any, whenever you're helping someone to increase their nervous system, to nervous system regulation, you're increasing their health and well being. 529 01:11:09,88.5255 --> 01:11:15,118.5255 That is how our bodies are designed, and to what level you are increasing. 530 01:11:15,483.5255 --> 01:11:46,708.5255 That will depend on how dysregulated they are, the other tools that they have in their toolbox to regulate, um, if they are very, uh, and I would argue that all illness, whether you're talking about mental or physical, It's all in the body and it is all dysregulation and, um, it is spending too much time in dysregulation that causes all illness in the body of any kind. 531 01:11:47,18.5255 --> 01:11:52,588.5245 And anytime you can get your body into regulation, you're going to increase wellness of any kind. 532 01:11:56,148.5245 --> 01:12:04,338.5255 So did that answer it? Yeah, it's, well, I definitely agree with your point, uh, Large doses stress people out. 533 01:12:05,38.5255 --> 01:12:09,178.5255 So, you know, you know, all, uh, all things equal. 534 01:12:09,188.5255 --> 01:12:35,268.525 Then, if there is some sort of, I'm going to use the word, magic mechanism in micro doses that bring people back to equilibrium and greater regulation, then there's a, Greater chance that that can happen than if you, you know, they're stressed out and they're not experienced and they're seeing visuals or their heart is racing or, you know, whatever is going on with somebody in a big trip. 535 01:12:35,268.525 --> 01:12:40,168.5245 So, by, by not starting out that way, I think that, you know, that's also why. 536 01:12:40,718.5255 --> 01:12:46,448.5255 Giving people time to to off like with the Fatima protocol and having that whole second day off. 537 01:12:46,478.5255 --> 01:12:53,88.5255 That's often where people report having the sort of the most knowledge and the best gains because there's no load on their body at all. 538 01:12:53,88.5255 --> 01:12:58,168.525 And yet they're still feeling a little different and, you know, a little more energized and nicer and all those things. 539 01:12:58,168.525 --> 01:13:01,958.5255 So, um, I think, I think we're on the same page. 540 01:13:03,558.5255 --> 01:13:04,878.5255 We're definitely on the same page. 541 01:13:05,403.5255 --> 01:13:07,333.5255 And I think I'm on a page in your book. 542 01:13:08,473.5255 --> 01:13:10,313.5255 Uh, well, you're on at least two pages. 543 01:13:10,313.6255 --> 01:13:15,763.5255 You're on a page, you're on a footnote, and then you're in the acknowledgments. 544 01:13:15,773.5255 --> 01:13:19,493.5255 So, um, yeah. 545 01:13:21,123.5245 --> 01:13:22,883.5255 So, yes, we're on the same page. 546 01:13:24,293.5245 --> 01:13:24,963.5255 We're on the same page. 547 01:13:25,3.5245 --> 01:13:26,703.5245 Well, I don't know if my name is on any of those pages. 548 01:13:27,3.5245 --> 01:13:28,453.5255 But, uh, that's great. 549 01:13:29,313.5255 --> 01:13:32,303.5255 And, uh, yeah. 550 01:13:32,933.5255 --> 01:13:38,133.5255 I just, uh, I just find that sometimes, like, I noticed that I'm talking about things. 551 01:13:38,133.5255 --> 01:13:42,83.5255 I really don't have any idea what scale they're happening. 552 01:13:42,263.5255 --> 01:13:53,733.5245 Like, I guess I've known that there's that many neurotransmitters in any one person's body and brain at any given time, but I've, you know, I don't, it's too complicated to think about. 553 01:13:53,733.5255 --> 01:13:55,853.5255 So we sort of rarely talk about it. 554 01:13:55,853.6255 --> 01:13:56,533.4255 Yeah. 555 01:13:58,313.5255 --> 01:14:16,708.5255 I mean, even when you start going into cellular I'll use this as an example cellular biology is a little easier to fathom than the nervous system because and even with that people talk about mitochondria as if it's this one thing. 556 01:14:16,938.5255 --> 01:14:27,338.5255 So like we'll say neurotransmitter as if it's this one thing or the nervous system as if it's this one thing and nothing is just one thing in our body, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. 557 01:14:27,358.5255 --> 01:14:29,958.5255 There is not one thing that is isolated. 558 01:14:30,488.5255 --> 01:14:42,403.5255 Um, Right, this is all our mental contracts trying to break things down and convince us that we can apply the process of material reductionism to the body, which actually defies that ultimately. 559 01:14:42,413.5255 --> 01:14:46,813.5245 And I love it when you talk about systems within systems and levels within levels. 560 01:14:46,813.5255 --> 01:14:53,673.5245 My old, uh, my old high trip guru Bill Eichmann was always talking about systems within systems and levels within levels. 561 01:14:53,683.5245 --> 01:15:01,113.5255 And you know, it's, it's, it's hard to, it's hard to get it across and it's hard to explain what's really going on in any. 562 01:15:01,918.5255 --> 01:15:03,688.5255 Any anything really in the body. 563 01:15:03,698.5255 --> 01:15:04,958.5255 It's so complicated. 564 01:15:05,108.5255 --> 01:15:09,158.5255 I feel like I'm jabbering, but you know what I mean, I do. 565 01:15:09,288.5255 --> 01:15:11,328.5255 Yeah, because nothing is also linear. 566 01:15:11,668.5255 --> 01:15:13,238.5255 There's no start and end. 567 01:15:13,858.5255 --> 01:15:15,148.5255 It's just a recycling. 568 01:15:15,198.5255 --> 01:15:17,758.5245 It's just a big recycling center. 569 01:15:18,998.5255 --> 01:15:22,318.5255 Um, even, you know, all of these things that we're big tube. 570 01:15:22,728.5255 --> 01:15:26,958.5255 You know, things come in the mouth and out the anus and pretty much that's life. 571 01:15:28,318.5255 --> 01:15:40,498.5255 Yeah, we're the recycling, but, but it even then we're still a recycling center, right? Like a lot of things still, they stay in the center and they get transformed. 572 01:15:40,808.5255 --> 01:15:48,868.5255 Like they're in the center, they get transformed and then they leave the center, but new things are coming in, but they're still using some of the things that were already in the center. 573 01:15:49,108.5255 --> 01:15:53,98.5245 They're not getting rid of the machinery that's in the recycling center. 574 01:15:53,358.5255 --> 01:15:57,278.5245 They're not getting rid of all of the components that make up the recycling center. 575 01:15:57,278.5255 --> 01:15:58,998.525 They keep utilizing it. 576 01:15:58,998.525 --> 01:16:00,843.4255 And sometimes you use a paperclip. 577 01:16:01,463.5255 --> 01:16:06,213.5255 You know, for one stack of papers and then you don't necessarily always get rid of that paper. 578 01:16:06,233.5255 --> 01:16:07,563.5255 You don't throw that paper clip away. 579 01:16:07,563.5255 --> 01:16:11,663.5255 You use that paper clip away again in a different place. 580 01:16:12,483.5255 --> 01:16:16,513.5255 So what do you think? Remember that movie? I think it was like 18 grams. 581 01:16:16,513.5255 --> 01:16:20,713.5245 And the premise was that when you die, your body is actually slightly. 582 01:16:21,248.5255 --> 01:16:47,848.5255 A moment after death, and they, you know, weighed people, and they actually weigh very slightly less, so that there might somehow be some type of physical, measurable component to, you know, what makes us alive and human, or do you think it's sort of an energy pattern that exists, and then at some point is fully broken by the body's Inability to sustain it anymore at the moment of death, and it doesn't actually weigh anything. 583 01:16:47,858.5255 --> 01:16:50,888.525 You can't ever capture it because it's not physical. 584 01:16:50,888.525 --> 01:16:51,538.5255 It's energy. 585 01:16:53,188.5255 --> 01:16:53,878.5255 Yeah, it's a system. 586 01:16:53,878.6255 --> 01:16:58,898.5245 It's not like you can't it. 587 01:16:59,448.5255 --> 01:17:00,948.5255 I feel like it is a system. 588 01:17:01,388.5245 --> 01:17:08,698.5255 One of the things that I, I, you know, I talk about how, like, when you, when you see something, you can't unsee it. 589 01:17:09,298.5255 --> 01:17:11,318.5255 And this understanding of. 590 01:17:12,343.5255 --> 01:17:34,803.5255 The entire body is this, the system of systems, and I like to simply put it, the five energy systems put together, and when that physical energy system endures too much stress, that it can no longer connect with The other energy systems together. 591 01:17:34,873.5255 --> 01:17:35,813.5255 That is when we die. 592 01:17:37,213.5255 --> 01:17:37,703.5255 I like that. 593 01:17:37,703.6255 --> 01:17:48,593.5255 It's very straightforward and pragmatic because like you, I mean, yeah. 594 01:17:49,33.5255 --> 01:17:52,593.5245 And then on that note, I am, I'm noticing the time. 595 01:17:52,593.5255 --> 01:17:58,913.5255 So I'm going to close out the room, but any last closing thoughts before I close the room. 596 01:17:58,913.6255 --> 01:18:07,453.5255 No, I'm happy to be here. 597 01:18:07,463.5255 --> 01:18:08,743.5255 Thank you, Eric, for being here. 598 01:18:08,743.6255 --> 01:18:08,758.4255 Eric. 599 01:18:09,498.5255 --> 01:18:12,8.5255 Um, I thought you went through some good stuff today. 600 01:18:12,668.5255 --> 01:18:22,128.5245 I, uh, I, you know, I kind of want like an animation of how the whole body works in real time where you can zoom in on any level of the physical or energy systems. 601 01:18:23,178.5255 --> 01:18:24,458.5255 You make that for me? Yeah. 602 01:18:24,638.5255 --> 01:18:27,171.8255 It makes good time. 603 01:18:27,171.8255 --> 01:18:28,298.4255 Good. 604 01:18:28,298.5255 --> 01:18:28,628.5255 Good. 605 01:18:28,708.5255 --> 01:18:28,918.5255 Good. 606 01:18:28,918.5265 --> 01:18:29,818.5245 I know you have a lot of spirit. 607 01:18:30,198.5255 --> 01:18:30,538.5255 All right. 608 01:18:30,578.5255 --> 01:18:31,228.5255 That's excellent. 609 01:18:31,978.5255 --> 01:18:34,288.5255 Uh, yeah, thank you everybody for being here. 610 01:18:34,288.5255 --> 01:18:39,888.5255 Thank you for whoever's listening on the replay or listening to this on the podcast. 611 01:18:40,458.5255 --> 01:18:50,768.5245 Um, I, if you're listening on the podcast, I invite you to following along, uh, let's all take a big, deep breath in together. 612 01:18:53,593.5255 --> 01:18:56,423.5255 And now let's sigh or growl it out. 613 01:19:01,403.5255 --> 01:19:03,483.5255 Thank you, everybody. 614 01:19:03,933.5255 --> 01:19:08,543.5245 Ending the room in five, four, three, two, one. 615 01:19:10,396.4005 --> 01:19:12,396.4005 Thank you for joining for today's episode. 616 01:19:12,746.4005 --> 01:19:17,346.4005 I hope you found the conversation interesting, maybe even a little inspiring. 617 01:19:17,586.4005 --> 01:19:22,666.4005 If you're curious about how to work with me or what I offer, you can check out my website, WendyGoesDeep.Com 618 01:19:22,816.4005 --> 01:19:25,216.3995 to learn more about what it is that I do. 619 01:19:25,216.4995 --> 01:19:31,146.3995 And I'd like to take this opportunity to ask you for a little favor, growing this community. 620 01:19:31,306.4005 --> 01:19:34,346.4005 Is only possible with support from people like you. 621 01:19:34,586.4005 --> 01:19:40,36.4005 If you could take a moment to like, subscribe, or maybe even share it with a friend, it helps more than you know. 622 01:19:40,506.4005 --> 01:19:44,266.4005 And until we can go deep again, stay curious and keep exploring.

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