August 5, 2025 • 53 mins
In this episode of Women Who Rise, Heather Mansy interviews Spring Bengtzen, a successful entrepreneur and real estate expert. They discuss Spring's unexpected journey in real estate, the importance of support systems, and the investments she made in her personal growth. Spring shares insights on reprogramming beliefs, designing an ideal life, and the significance of having a supportive partner. The conversation emphasizes the power of perspective in achieving financial success and breaking through barriers. In this engaging conversation, Spring B and Heather Mansy explore the journey of personal and professional growth, emphasizing the importance of designing one's future self, establishing effective morning routines, navigating the challenges of business, and the power of partnerships. They discuss how to leverage time and resources to achieve success while maintaining a balanced life. The conversation highlights the significance of mindset, community, and the willingness to adapt and grow in both personal and professional realms.
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Hi and welcome.
This is Heather Manzie with Women Who Rise, the success podcast for ambitious women.
I have an absolutely incredible guest today and I'm so excited for all of our listeners toget to meet her and get to know a little bit about what makes her such a phenomenal woman.
uh This is the opportunity to really find out more about how maybe you can level up yourlife, your career, your entrepreneurship, your corporate life, whatever that is.
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Benson is one of these incredible people that I had the good fortune to meet in 2018 froma mutual coaching group and her rise in the last eight years I think is just stunning.
She is a phenomenal business owner.
She has multiple companies that she has opened.
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She has created a massive downline in her last company with real.
She has launched her affiliation with the EXP, which is just extraordinary.
and she is up to so much more and I'll let her share all of that with you and how you canmaybe learn from her in the future.
But first of all, I just want to welcome my special, special guest, Spring Benson.
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Thank you so much for being here today and welcome.
me.
I'm super grateful.
This is gonna be really fun, so I'm looking forward to it.
Yeah, I am really excited.
Well, so one of the things that as I was thinking about this podcast is just the fact thatI got to, you know, see you and I was already impressed by you when we first met in 2018.
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And then when I saw you again last fall, it was on a stage.
And I remember that I was hearing your name quite a bit in the few years leading up tothat.
I was hearing it in, you know, high level coaching circles in the real estate world andthings like that.
And I was not aware really
exactly all that you were up to, but I knew that it was big and since then I've gone toyour she summit.
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I've seen you on a very big stage in Cabo.
I've watched you do really extraordinary things and started following you on your socialsand it's just incredible to me what you're up to.
So what the first thing that really struck me was, know, 20 years ago, would spring of 20years ago have had any kind of window into
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where you would be 10 years later, and then again, would spring it 10 years ago, haveunderstood or had any window into where you are today, and kind of how did that occur, you
know, on the inside?
Yeah, well, that's a great question.
I love it.
And it would be the answer be that it's a hard no, meaning no way I would have thought 20years ago I would be where I am today.
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um It's been a wild ride.
so when I got into real estate, I was in my early 20s.
And I don't know that I had a lot of career ambition.
Heather, was like, I thought I would sell real estate and it would be fun and I'd havesome babies and it would be extra income to my household.
Like that was my mindset.
uh
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And what ended up happening is I got my first, I won't bore you with all of it, but I gotmy first transaction and my first paycheck.
Because I was a hairstylist before, back in the day you got paid with cash and it was justa thing, right?
But I remember getting my first paycheck and I was like $10,000 and I never had $10,000 uhin my bank account and I was like, this is addicting.
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Okay, I'm here for that.
And so I became a top producer for like 10 years.
And then I turned it into a team.
And going into a team, I had no idea what I was doing.
And then from a team to where I'm at today, it would be a no.
Like, just really didn't ever envision where I would be now, though, if you asked me thatquestion.
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This spring today, at 44 years old, who I am.
can picture where I'm at in 10 years from now.
Does that make sense?
But the young spring at 23, if you would have told me at 23 where I'd be at 33 and 33 to43, I would not have ever imagined I'd be where I'm at today.
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Yeah, it's well taken because I understand that I do think it's easier to look back thanit is to look forward.
em Because you can kind of understand how you got there and sometimes not always.
Great.
But looking forward is harder.
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uh Although I do think it gets easier with time because I think as you mature and as youlearn to rise forward or as you accomplish one thing after another, you begin to know what
you're capable of and then maybe you dream a little higher.
So one of the important things I think around any successful woman or anyone is theirsupport system and what it is that every day
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and this can be internal, external, family, you name it, what it is every day that allowsa person who's at a really high level or even who did grow, you know, as you did in that
last decade, what is the kind of rocket fuel, you know, that you have in your or solidfoundation that you have in your background, um you know, in your life that we don't see
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on camera that allows you to be you?
Yeah, well there's two parts and I want to I don't want to necessarily go back to what wewere talking about but when I say the spring now can picture where she's at in 10 years
it's exactly the question you just asked me is because the last 10 years I have had a lotof rocket fuel behind me and that rocket fuel has come from I have massively invested in
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myself like I recognize that me as spring the human my identity how I see
myself and like what I am putting out there is the strongest force in human nature rightmeaning like we all perform to the level that we see ourselves and so I have spent a ton
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of money on coaching me like as a human from like how the brain operates to health tobio-hacking like I understand that and so one of the things Heather is part of the rocket
fuel has been
me understanding the power to create and not create from like a woo woo but to create likedesign what you want and execute it.
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And then the other rocket fuel that is behind me is I am very leveraged.
So I, one of the rocket fuels I have is I'm married to an amazing man.
um I post out about this online quite often that like who you marry is the biggestdecision you're gonna make because they either, they either help
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or they're gonna hold you back, right?
So I am married to somebody um who lets me just be, and he's cheering me on, and he'sencouraging and all those things.
And then on the leverage part, I am like massively leveraged on the uh people in myhousehold, to people in my real estate business, to my other businesses, like I don't do
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it all.
And you and I were literally just talking about this before we popped on camera.
You don't do it all either, right?
And so that
really starts creating who you become of like, when you can stand in your power of like, Iknow I'm good at this, I'm gonna stay in my zone of genius and I'm gonna have other people
help me with their zone of genius starts creating massive momentum.
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I love that so much.
And the fact that you really decided that you were worth the investment and that youwanted to do that, that you wanted to say, like, let me figure out who is either doing
something better.
And you mentioned also from a really holistic perspective, and I'm pretty deep into thisstuff too.
I call myself a biohacker, although compared with what I call real biohackers, I'm nowherein there.
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ah But it is uh extraordinary to think about yourself as this
editable being that can receive more instruction at a later life than we ever had maybebefore and then it can add to who we are and it can be in ways that we've never thought of
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such as working on that internal self, how you view yourself and things like that.
There's actually a couple questions that I have off of what you last spoke about.
One, are some of the things that
you do that you think absolutely moved the needle for you in a massive way, just on yourinternal self, because again, this is about hacking that.
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And then the second one that I wanted to ask just from that is, what does a supportivepartner look like to you?
What is that really uh in the granular day-to-day or over a lifetime?
yeah, yeah.
So let's start with the first question.
So when you can start to understand just how human behavior and nature works is when youcan start to change it.
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And so.
First of all, just, I'm gonna, no, I don't wanna say dumb it down, but I'm gonna give youa context that we all can understand, because we all use uh computers or iPhones or
whatever, right?
Every single one of us is um formed by our belief system.
And our belief systems are programming that we're programmed with, from our parents ortheir grandparents and their grandparents.
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it's, they say that,
you can determine somebody's wealth by the zip code they're born in.
Because we become a product of who we all surround ourselves with, right?
Like the way we think, what we consume.
It's why I the power of social media and even television programming.
Television was programming is what they would call it, right?
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So when you can start to understand that human behavior is your belief system, uh then youcan start to change it.
So to give you the context of why I said I will...
uh
give you something we can all understand is the computer.
There's a computer that is like a Microsoft DOS, right?
The old crappy, crappy programming that was great, but now there's like the new iOS, Macoperating system, right?
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The human brain is the same way.
A lot of us are running off the old crappy Microsoft DOS programming that we, the beliefsystems that we were either.
brought up with our childhood that don't serve us anymore or things that negative thathave happened to us or whatnot.
And when you can understand like, oh, I'm telling myself the same 60,000 negative thoughtsa day.
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When I am like, I can go in and change that and let's go upgrade, upgrade my mindset.
That's when it really started to shift for me.
like four years ago, end of 2020.
I went to a training called Upgrade, it was basically that was neuroscience to reallyunderstand how you can reprogram, because a lot of the things I was doing were beliefs
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that were passed on from my mom or my grandparents or whatever.
Like, think about it.
Like, my mom was born in the 50s, dude.
It's 2025.
Like, the way they thought in the 50s compared to today is apples and oranges, right?
But it's a little different.
But we have that, right?
And so...
When you can understand that, how can you change it?
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First of all, you've got to design what you want.
So like we get in life what we think we're what we deserve.
And a lot of times we're not even taking more time designing our vacations.
Like you're going to Europe here.
You probably have spent some time designing, right?
Or we design our businesses or these podcasts, but we don't take the time to sit down anddesign the life that we want and who we want to be, right?
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So taking the time to design it.
And then the second piece of that is
resolving what's holding you back from getting it.
So what crappy belief system, what's the story you're telling yourself around that?
And there's ways that you can, I won't get into that, go check out Upgrade, they can helpyou with this.
But understanding that you can get rid of that and be like, wait a minute, is that true?
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Or is that maybe true like 50 years ago, but like...
No, that's not true today.
And when you start seeing that, so that's where like when you said earlier, like I've hada massive shift over eight years, I've actually had a massive shift over four years.
In the last four years, like my life has like skyrocketed.
And it was just understanding those two concepts, like design what you want.
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Get very purposeful, reward yourself for creating it.
like the human brain, like reward yourself that you can have more and resolve what'sholding you back.
And it's been really powerful for me.
It's been cool to experience.
Yeah, and I love that you touched on that because it could be so many different types ofprogramming that a person is dealing with.
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It could be from friends, family, know, high school experiences, you know, it's like wesay, the human brain, I mean, you fall and spill something at age four and your mom who's
so important to you goes, you are so clumsy.
You can literally meet that person at age 25 or 30 and they'll say, oh, don't ask me to doX because I'm so clumsy, I might drop it.
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this is a program that has been written in that they did not have any awareness that thiswas a program and that it's not an always scenario, that there's no physical thing called
clumsy, unless you really do have some sort of a physical issue.
And I love that you kind of touched on this uh and also about how, know,
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what it is that could be holding you back because it's not just, I think this kind ofreverse, you know, or this programming that might've been in our past that we may not
understand or even know about, but also that it could be.
what we believe we deserve as humans.
I really do find so many people that I mentor that have come up through my company uh orthat I've, I always said every babysitter we ever had, we contributed to in some way.
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We were like, hey, what degree are you going for?
What are you gonna do when you get older?
And my husband and I were always just trying to have them think outside the box a littlebit more or just outside the box that is them.
And that deservingness I think is huge.
because if you had a past relationship that maybe poured negativity into you, you know,whether that's family or a significant other, whatever it is, uh or just life experiences
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as a whole, or you just didn't have life experiences that poured positivity and successinto you, and that you didn't have a legacy of that, you might not believe you not only
are capable, but that you do not deserve these things.
And that's a deeper programming that, I mean, really, for me, it's almost like heartbreak.
wrenching to think about because I know so many people that they you know to this daythere's a deserving this issue that they have and I can see it blocks them even though
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they are legitimately talented extraordinary human beings that in my understanding couldjust go blow the roof off of anything but we've got to get out of that so one of the
things you talked about how is upgrade and then you know I love that you said that in thelast four years you've really had a meteoric rise because
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sort of what my understanding was as well, but I went is that really possible becauseshe's kind of a badass like did that all happen in four years?
And and so I'd love to just talk briefly about and yes, I want you to answer the questionas well on you know
what is a supportive partner.
But then I'd love it if you can speak on what you've actually created in four years,because I think it can inspire other people to see that you really can go big and you
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don't have to do it over 20 years.
You can just hit a spark, hit like a third gear and do it.
yeah, yeah, for sure.
um Okay, this partner, here's the thing.
Who you marry like determines like that's who you spend your intimate time with you'relike all of it, right?
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And so you're going to marry like somebody supportive.
It looks different to whoever you are, right?
Like my marriage might not be attractive to somebody else and vice versa.
But for me, um, Brian is a hundred percent like he's my biggest fan.
And so if there's something that I want, he's, he's not, he is like probably believes inme more than I believe in myself.
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And so I would just tell
I would tell any woman, like, you just have to get in alignment of you're growing togetheror you're not, and we're growing together.
Saying like, you, Heather, and your husband, you guys are going to do cool things, you'regrowing together.
And so...
uh You just have to keep on continuing to be in alignment with each other and both beingon your growth paths and I would say that for a husband and or a wife I know a lot of men
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that are like my wife isn't growing, you know and vice versa so it's a it's a hundredpercent you guys are in alignment of the relationship you want to create and they're
cheering you on in terms of like the last four years I've always done well, so I don'ttell you like I haven't because I've always done well
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But, and there's a but here because my programming, my programming kept capped me from age23 to 24 to probably age 39.
38, 39.
I pretty much made the same amount of money in real estate.
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It didn't matter if at a team or a solo agent or a small team or a large team or theeconomy was great.
Like I made roughly the same amount of money year over year over year.
And it's because it was my identity.
Like if you asked me, Heather, how much money I made, I would tell you how much money Imade.
Like it was just like, that's how I identified myself.
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I was.
Yep.
like the average person because you were, you had, yeah, you were like a high performingrealtor.
You were having probably a really great luxurious income that maybe even that you weresatisfied with to some extent.
But I love that you're saying this.
Yeah, so what happened is I was comparing myself to everybody else, right?
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Like, well, I'm, and I was comparing myself to whatever that was.
And I was telling myself, because I was raised in an environment that like a lot of stayat home moms, which I dude, I respect the stay at home mom more than anybody to be very
candid.
But I in my my programming my upbringing was oh I contribute XYZ to my household like howgreat am I like?
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Whatever right and it capped me it literally like I was just complacent and I wascomparing myself to whatever and then um I Again, I went to I had a friend Call me out of
the blue She was one of those friends that you wouldn't talk to for a year and then theycall you and you're like besties, right?
Yeah.
And she called me on the balloon.
said, going to this training.
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It's um in, this was a Thursday.
It starts on Monday.
She's like, I thought about you to come to it.
And I'm like, okay.
When is it?
She's like Thursday.
And she's like, but by the way, it's a shiz ton of money.
And I'm like, well, what's a shiz ton of money?
And she tells me, I'm like, okay.
uh But she's like, I just think that you should, I think it would be great for you.
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So she got me on the call with the guy.
I moved my whole schedule around, I think it was like seven to 10 days of training.
And I ended up going, and this is when I started learning, Heather, the neuroscience oflike, never understood, I mean, I had done trainings about like the IAMs and creating your
IAM board and the vision board and like the foundational pieces of manifestation andcreation, but I never understood how to actually like...
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go and do it, right?
And um it was in that training what I started understanding.
So here's what you need to do.
Like I said, you need to design.
So design 25 attributes.
So if we're talking to women and I'm gonna use real estate because that's I'm in, godesign your ideal client, 25 attributes.
So like somebody who's a fast decision maker, somebody who...
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um
is abundant, all the things that you'd want, right?
Go and design them.
And then by designing it, you become that.
You're like, well, if I want somebody to make a fast decision, then I need to be a fastdecision maker.
And all these things.
And so you start designing.
then the human brain is so powerful in terms of creation.
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And here's the thing, Heather, is most of us are.
We're a product of our surroundings, so we're not dreaming.
As adults, we've stopped dreaming of what could it be, right?
And so they have you write down 100 experiences and 100 memories that you'd want to createand 100 like...
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things you'd want to purchase and it has nothing to do with the material.
It's just to start getting you like dreaming about what could it be and then your mindjust starts going to work on it.
And so...
um
kind of incredible because, you know, 100 seems like a lot, you know, it's like we go likename five, whatever, or think where you want to be in five years or something like that.
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This hundred is, you know, like I would imagine you'd run out at 30, you know, you'd haveto really start thinking about it and you'd probably come up with answers that would
surprise you or that you maybe didn't know were there.
Or they also have you do something like a 90 year vision plan because we're like, but thisis why, is because the human brain, let's say you want to fly on a private jet.
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Oh, I want a private jet.
But in your mind, you're justifying it.
You're like, yeah, right.
I'm never going have a private jet.
That's dumb.
So you just don't think that you're going do it.
But.
Heather, in 90 years, we'll all be flying on private jets.
Like, that'll be a thing, right?
And so it's just having your brain like, yeah, that's normal.
mean, if you think about it, I'm going to date myself here.
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I didn't even have a cell phone in high school.
Like, think about it.
Like, we didn't like how much the world has changed in 20 years.
We are bridging so much uh massive change and I'm with you there.
mean, I think Cyndi Lauper and Madonna were a thing, know, and tying ribbons, know, piecesof sweatshirt into our hair, yes.
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Yeah.
So it's really starting to think about like, wow, how much can happen in 20 years?
like, think about if there's something you want, how feasible that's gonna be.
So it's really been four years.
In the last four years, I...
So what happened is I wrote down in that training all these things and I lucid charted itout and did all this stuff.
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And then he said at the end of it, goes, I want you to write down something that if youknow what happened, this training was true or whatever.
And I wrote like, I want to make the same amount of money I make in a month, in a year.
fast um forward, I have done that in the past.
And it's one of those things where it's like, ah it just started me being like,
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Oh yeah, well why can I not?
And this is one of the contexts that I actually loved this thing.
I was in a private coaching session and I asked, I a comment, I'm like, well everybodyblah, blah.
And he's like, who's everybody?
I am all.
That's a great question.
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Because if you think about it, and I'll just use money for a new context, but it'sanything, right?
um There's people that you are super rich to.
There's people who poor and you would be the most rich human out there, right?
There's people in Africa and all, whatever, right?
And then there's people that would think I'm the poorest human on the planet, right?
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There's the billionaires and the whatever.
Who's everybody?
everybody's who we're comparing ourselves to.
So when you start looking at it, you'll like, well, wait a minute.
Like, can do this because there's people who's done it before or more or people who arenot.
Then you start being like, well, what is it that I actually do wrong?
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Because there's people doing what I want to do.
And that's when it starts getting really fun of like, well, I'm going to design who I wantto be and what I want to create.
And then the key to it is you got to show up as if you've already had it.
So if you want to be a six figure, seven figure, eight figure woman, ask yourself, what isthe woman who makes a million dollars a year?
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Does she wear pajamas to work or is she out of bed and doing her thing?
Is she investing in herself?
Is she putting herself in coaching?
Is she who she's surrounding herself with?
Like you just have to start showing up as that person and then you'll start receiving whatthey receive.
Yeah, and I love that because, I mean, talk about a mic drop statement, like, you know,who are, who do you need to be to get that life?
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And I love that also you can understand.
just by the simple fact of going, there are models for most of what I'm up to, thereforeit is possible, but also therefore I can use that model and try to, you know, gain some
knowledge from that.
And I can start acting like that.
ah You know, it's that old statement, fake it till you make it.
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But, and I, you know, I've heard Gary Keller say, you know, this as well, live theschedule of the person that you want to be.
If you want to be that person and also to understand what it takes to say,
want is one thing, but to also apply yourself in the what is required to get there.
And you can try to get there faster and you can hack it and you can do all kinds of thingsand shortcut it.
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But you still have to live whatever that daily life, that daily schedule, that dailycommitment is and the mindset around it.
Because like you were just mentioning, do you just wander in at 10 in your pajamas or isthis whole morning, this whole thing that happens for that person to arrive
ready to greet whatever that schedule is of that billionaire or you know million dollar amonth producer What does that look like and so that that kind of leads me to one of the
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other things that I wanted to ask you today and that is in a day What at the granularlevel do you do to show up?
uh
as fully as you need to be, and I think you know what that is, that you go, tomorrow's abig day, I need to put myself together in a way that makes sense.
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What preparatory things do you do?
What is your sort of like miracle morning?
What does that look like for you?
Yeah, it depends.
I...
So I usually actually protect my mornings.
I don't usually start my mornings crazy early um because I actually do like to get up andhave some thinking time.
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It's actually probably when I'm the most productive.
So I'm going to go against whatever he says with like get up and go work out and da da da.
I actually love to get up and uh read and get to work.
And then I'll usually go work out in middle of the day or end of day um because it's justwhen I keep myself fresh.
But I protect my mornings.
So a lot of times I won't even start till 10 a.m.
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Especially Mondays.
So my Monday schedule is, um I would say I quote unquote take Mondays off.
I don't take Mondays off.
But you are not getting on my schedule unless you're one of my core.
um
who I lead and then I'm gonna have a Monday sesh with you, right?
But so 10 a.m.
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is when my day starts generally unless I'm doing a coaching call then it's nine.
And then I am very purposeful of I don't, I eliminate things off my calendar.
I say no to most people.
I actually say no to most of these to be honest with you.
I just love you and yeah.
common refrain by the way that I hear more and more as you know among all my friends thatare baddies like you it's they're saying no
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Yeah.
saying no a lot more than they're saying yes.
They're being really cautious about their time.
absolutely was like, you know, I don't know if it's music to my ears so much, but it'sjust amazing to hear you say that with your mornings, because I know how fit you are.
And I just kind of assume that you're getting up and like grinding out two hours at thegym.
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But I protect my mornings too.
I am.
really big on sleep and it's not like I'm sleeping in.
just like wake up at six, 5.30, 6.30 would be the latest anyway.
But I am very much, it's such a thought invoking time.
Nobody's bugging you yet.
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I mean in my own household, it's like me and the dog.
You know, my boys, there's no way they're awake yet and you know, they're older andit's...
You have this quiet time and I think that there's so much wisdom that comes in themorning.
What are your thoughts on that?
I love it.
mean, I think we live in this culture and society where they're like, 5 a.m.
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and Heather, I did that for years.
I mean, I did have little kids and I was at Pilates at five or 530 so that I could be homewhile they were sleeping.
I could get them up and do all those things.
So like, I did live that life um for many, many years uh and it served its time andpurpose.
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Now though, like, my kids are older.
as well, my youngest is 16.
um She's capable of being home by herself and things like that, right?
And let's face it, at nighttime, she's off with her friends or doing her thing.
And so there is more freedom and flexibility in my schedule later in the day or whatnot.
And so I actually love my sleep too.
Like I'm a 6.30 or 7 a.m., which I would have never, like I said, I was the girl gettingup at five or before to be at the gym by five, but it's...
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I just actually find myself actually staying up later because I do have a teenager thatI'm like, where are you?
so it's like sometimes I'm not going to sleep till like midnight or later.
Yeah.
suddenly get in a good mood.
I noticed my boys are 22 and almost 20 and I'm like, why are they so cheerful at after 8p.m.?
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I'm starting to get tired and they're like, hey mom, my gosh, about my day, you know, andI wanna be there for that.
So I love that you said that.
Yeah, and a lot of times I'll stay up and she gets home at midnight and then I'm in thekitchen talking to her and to your point, that's when they want to talk to you.
And so I just think I would give women that there's time and seasons in your life andyou've got to do what's right for you and what works for your family.
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And so I'm not going to get out here and be like, I'm grinding at 5 a.m.
because it's just not true.
um And I do protect my time.
I say no a lot.
uh If it's not somebody that
I'm like I really like you so I was like sure that would be a fun conversation, but I getapproached about these
multiple times a week and I'm like, don't have time, right?
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And then I would just say I'm very purposeful right now about the leverage.
And so like I have a house manager.
have, this is like, I have somebody come to my house and blow dries my hair twice a week.
I know people are like, what?
But like these are extensions, they take forever.
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And yeah.
Yeah.
because beauty takes time and you want to look your best and so you literally just lifehacked.
beauty like because yes, you always look amazing and put together.
Um, I have extensions as well.
So like, you know, it's they do, they take a lot of work and that's so great that you saidthat and a house manager on another podcast, I interviewed Justin Nelson, CEO of uh a
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sphere rocket, which I also white label through except excellence VAs and it's, uh, it'sdefinitely one of those new concepts, but it's not new at all to the billionaire set.
It's not new at all to the multimillionaire set.
It's totally normal that they would have additional help.
And in everything that you're saying, what I hear when you say no a lot and when youchoose to bring someone to your house to do your hair, because now you're saving the drive
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and everything, what I hear is the opportunity cost of not doing that.
Because the fact that you're doing this allows you to go have a much higher billing rateper hour, literally launch a whole new company in the time you saved in three months of
doing your life this way.
Yeah, well I like to give you context.
So she comes on Thursdays.
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Yesterday she, today is Friday, this won't go out on Friday, like context here, like thehour that it took her to blow dry my hair and curl it and stuff, I wrote all my emails for
the upcoming week for my database.
Like it just makes it to where I was like, okay, I can do this while she's doing that.
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Or like the house manager piece, like my kids don't care who buys the
groceries and cleans and does the laundry they just really would like it done right and soit it just works and so I would just say give yourself permission like a life hack and the
way if you want to figure it out is what is what do you make so let's say you make ahundred thousand dollars a year
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There's roughly about 2,080 hours that people work in a year.
You divide that by, so you divide, let's say, 100 divided by 2,080.
That's roughly about, just for easy math, I know it's not exact, but roughly about $50 anhour.
So could you pay somebody to mow your lawn and go, uh that time you're mowing your lawn,you can go make more money, or spend the time with your family?
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Like, a lot of times I'm using the leverage for the luxury piece too of like,
I want to spend this time with my family not doing laundry or whatever, right?
And so I just think as women, give yourself the permission.
Like, you can have it all.
Like, you can have it all.
You just have to decide what that is.
Yes, and you can have it all, but that doesn't mean you need to be hands-on physicallydoing it all.
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And so that kind of brings me to my question on being a CEO.
So last fall, listened to Bea Williams and other artists on stage really kind of repeat acommon phrase and refrain that I thought was really interesting, and that was being in the
messy middle.
And I understand we were having a conversation a lot about real estate at the time,although it really does
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I think apply across so many many industries.
I was in business in the in the corporate world before real estate and so I'm alwayslooking to how the everything from a mom-and-pop coffee shop to whatever you know,
whatever small corporation or big corporation that messy middle.
Can you define that term and explain why maybe getting out of that is beneficial to thebusiness and to the CEO or the entrepreneur?
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Yeah, I would say the missing middle is when you're still you're creating a business, butyou still have a job meaning the business is still relying upon you or maybe you don't
have enough revenue to go hire the leverage or You just said that you're just at thatcrucial point that you need either raise capital or you need to hire more leverage and A
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lot of people don't make it past that they don't make it past it because either theiridentity of of Being a true leader and being like well if I hold my capital
responsible and I hire the right person then it will 10x what I do, right?
Or sometimes they maybe are like they don't They're afraid to lose control and they'relike well, I'm the only person who can do it I mean, there's a lot of reasons why people
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don't make it out of the messy middle But here's what I would say to you There's just alot of freedom when you can start truly being like did I create a
a high paying job for myself or did I actually create a business for myself?
And what needs to happen from a leverage point and a finance point?
I will tell you a lot of my growth came in the last five years from uh early 2020.
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I was really burned out Heather and I...
um
I had been in real estate for 15 years and I went to one of my coaches and he's like,well, spring is cause you're not treating it like a real business.
And that was like a little bit of a gut punch.
Cause of course we all think we have these businesses, right?
And he was like, you need to hire some leverage.
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And you need to hold your finances responsible.
Know your numbers.
Because if you know your numbers, then you can make educated decisions to grow and scale.
so that's where we got really granular about where our, again, we're in the real estatespace, so what are costs of goods sold, what are profit margins were, where can I add on
additional leads, if they cost me this much, how much of ROI, can I hire this employee at$120,000 a year, but he should bring in an extra 500.
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Just those things.
that then knowing it and then being the who, the who around that can make that happen andthat's where your identity has to shift a little bit of, okay I'm gonna go into really
being a leader here and being somebody who can lead and manage other people and that takessome skills and if it's not you and you're like that's not me like there's pieces of like
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the business I have.
I have had to hire leaders that could do that, right?
So it's, first of all, just being aware of where you're really at and then making thedecision, what do you really, want?
Do you want to get out of the messy middle?
Because if you do, it's going to take a different identity of how you're going to show upfor it.
Yes, and really, you know, where do you thrive?
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It's almost like if you were to interview yourself for the ideal job.
Yeah.
Yeah.
just because you want to grow or you think it's a natural next step for your business, itdoesn't mean that you need to be the one to do exactly X.
It could just be that where you fit best in your own business could be in production orbaking the cookies or whatever it is.
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But if you want to see that growth, that could look quite different because like youmentioned, maybe I go hire a high level manager.
uh
our shared coaches, I actually love one of the things he used to always say, which was,you don't need to buy or whatever this next system, you need a who.
And I just remember always where is that who and is that even someone who's already in myorganization that I could just elevate them and give them a new job.
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And it makes me think all the time, what is the highest and best purpose of each person inmy organization?
And what is the highest and best purpose of me?
And knowing that that also can change over time.
And like you said, you need the skills.
If you are gonna give yourself that promotion,
What would you have another person do learn be get trained up to do whatever it is andthen you need to Go apply that to yourself.
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You can't just Expect that income to come and expect those those skills to come
You know, I even read books about how to be a mom.
I was like, I have a toddler.
I have no idea what to do here.
I'm gonna read, you know, toddler whisper or whatever it was.
Those were amazing.
And so it's like anything in life.
You gotta, I think, level yourself up with some knowledge um to then own that nextposition or find the person that has the thing you want and go learn from them or model
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them in some way.
So I have another question for you about um
leverage, you've talked about how you've used it in your home, you've talked about howyou've utilized leverage in your business.
I want to talk about the concept of partnerships.
um
because I know that this is something that I think you in particular from what I'm seeing,ah have done this really well.
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And I think that you have been able to create and hold partnerships and are building newones.
And I want to give you a moment to talk about what's next as well and what you're up toafter this.
But...
you know, how has have have partnerships occurred for you?
Are they organic?
Do you seek them?
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You know, how can you state the role in like what partnerships has has played for you inyour recent business successes?
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm a firm believer in partnerships.
I actually have partners in every one of my businesses.
So,
And that's something I didn't know because I can say it from a business owner perspective,it's a little scary.
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A lot of us are kind of, I don't know, controlling, you know, or control freak or fearful,you know, cause it's like my baby.
And so yeah, let's hear about that.
Yeah, I'm actually not controlling.
It's interesting.
Yeah, I don't have a like, it's my baby either, which is I know it's unique, right?
um But yeah, so I mean, the real estate team was me and then I brought in partners in thelast few years because I believe that there's growth through partnership.
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It's actually one of my core values um in some of my businesses.
And so I have partners like I have a title company, for
I I know nothing about title other than the real estate part so to go open a title companyNo, so I partnered with somebody who can open a title company and do the business side And
then I can do the part that I'm good at same with the mortgage.
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We have a mortgage joint venture Say I partnered with the people who had to put togetherthe mortgage joint venture and then we do the other component of it, right?
um Same with real estate like I partnered with place place has been a great partner.
They offer a lot of
back-end infrastructure and health insurance and all the things that create some of thebusiness side, then I'm great at the human coaching and capital side of it, right?
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And so same with my coaching uh company, Justin's a partner in that, Even I look atRevShare as partnership.
I'm not gonna grow my revenue share organization without having really great strategicpartners.
so everything in my life is a great partnership.
I just believe that life and business isn't meant to be done alone and there's strength inthat.
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Now with that being said, you obviously need to have the right partners, right?
And be a great partner too.
And so they have happened somewhat organically, some were strategic, like the team Ibrought in place, that was a strategic partnership.
The gentleman I did the title company with, I worked with him for like 10 years.
So I had that relationship.
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My mortgage company is actually a Simply Mortgage uh joint venture, which I've had a greatrelationship with them down before too.
So everybody I'm in partnership with, I didn't just go in out of the gate as a partner.
We've had a previous relationship that we were like, yes, let's go do this.
uh
concept of elevating from within or even just taking existing relationships that you cansee there is a possible future in that.
(44:38):
And I think that comes again to that uh wisdom that you have and your own ability to seesomething and to trust your gut to just go for it.
um Have you had partnerships that...
haven't worked or that you've had to, obviously not any names, like, or ideas where you'vehad to go, okay, let's launch this and then, whoa, you know, a year or two later or a
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month later, let's change that out.
Yeah, so actually you came to She Summit.
So that was when we launched a year before and we pulled it back.
We pulled it back.
That event, that was our last event.
It was just the wrong time.
was, we had the bus of intentions with it.
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I think that we fast forward to now, could probably do it better.
But we just, was, and I are best friends.
So it wasn't a, it wasn't a issue of like our partnership.
It was just the wrong timing.
Great idea, just a lot of work.
And I was like, I don't have the capacity for this.
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So yeah, we have done things that we pulled back and said, maybe this isn't the rightthing.
And I've had partnerships that, uh because some of these joint ventures, you're bringingother uh people to come in and whatnot to be a part of it.
ah I've had people that we've had come in and that we've ultimately decided to part ways.
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I don't have any issue with it.
I just believe if you start it correctly with the right paperwork and the rightexpectations, like,
then if it's not gonna work, we get to part ways.
And if we were friends before, then we'd be friends after and if we weren't, then I guessit is what it is, right?
And so I value my partners tremendously and I would say I'm a great partner and I havegreat partners.
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And if there's something that's not working, we're having conversations around it, but forthe most part, everything has been pretty great, so.
That's great too and just the fact that you can have explosive growth if you reach out forhelp.
um know another one of our coaches I want to say it's been Kenny has said there's no extraprize for getting to the finish line alone.
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And it is something that sticks in my head too because it really does sound like wisdom.
And I have seen what you've been able to do with partnerships.
So I know that we're nearing kind of our end in time.
again, I want to thank you for coming.
But I also wanted to ask, I know you're up to some killer stuff right now.
I am aware.
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And I wanted to know what you wanted to share with our audience.
And also, how can they connect with you?
What are you up to that maybe someone who goes, wow, I want to be in the world of thiswoman and how can I learn from her whatnot?
How does that work?
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Yeah, well, thank you.
We have a couple of different things.
So follow me on the gram.
It's realspringbee.com or realspringbee, my website springbee.com.
Yeah, we have some coaching.
We have some mastermind groups.
We are primarily in the real estate space.
We are going to do another women's event in November.
We're just going to do it different.
uh But we are excited about that.
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And I would just say, or follow me, just follow me.
I do have a lot of stuff.
We're building on the EXP community.
called Upgrade.
That's fun.
Now that EXP has launched co-sponsorship, you and I can do it together.
which is phenomenal and I'm so excited for that.
Literally, I'm so excited for that because it allows people to cross collaborate and it'slike you just said, the wisdom of partnership like.
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You know, I like what you're doing, you like what I'm doing, we're both up to stuff.
How can that work together?
And maybe not every idea is perfect at its inception, but if you have great people andthey have similar aligned visions, uh and like you said, the paperwork is aligned or
whatever, and the co-sponsorship thing just makes it so clean and I think so brilliant onEXP's part.
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it's such a game changer.
I was on a call earlier today and they're like, what do I do here?
And I'm like, let's just all co-sponsor.
Like uh it'll weave all of us together.
And they're like, don't even know that that's a thing.
I'm like, it's a thing.
Let me walk you through it.
So yeah.
Yeah, I 100 % love that.
Well, I just want to say again how much I appreciate you and it is so fun to have seenyour rise, just the two snapshots in time.
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was like 2018, 2024, went, whoa.
And then it's so, it was amazing to attend your event.
It is amazing to have heard you speak in front of thousands on stage and to watch thecrowd just explode.
You always give so much more than
the expectation I think and just being in your world is so instructive and it yeah it justgives me always more excitement for what is possible in my career in the career of others
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in what's possible in this industry in you know all the other ways that you know holdingon to your coattails or just kind of watching you rise and just knowing that yes women can
have it all you need to leverage yourself you need to have good parts
You need to have an amazing partner in your home and you need to be willing to take timefor yourself and figure out how to hack that thing that is you and program yourself.
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And I think all of that is just extraordinary in you.
And so I want to thank you again so much, Spring.
You are a phenomenal human and I appreciate you.
you for having me.
Thank you.
Thank you to all of our listeners and watchers today.
Please like and subscribe and thank you again for joining our podcast, Women Who Rise.
Hi and welcome.
This is Heather Manzie with Women Who Rise, the success podcast for ambitious women.
I have an absolutely incredible guest today and I'm so excited for all of our listeners toget to meet her and get to know a little bit about what makes her such a phenomenal woman.
uh This is the opportunity to really find out more about how maybe you can level up yourlife, your career, your entrepreneurship, your corporate life, whatever that is.
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Benson is one of these incredible people that I had the good fortune to meet in 2018 froma mutual coaching group and her rise in the last eight years I think is just stunning.
She is a phenomenal business owner.
She has multiple companies that she has opened.
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She has created a massive downline in her last company with real.
She has launched her affiliation with the EXP, which is just extraordinary.
and she is up to so much more and I'll let her share all of that with you and how you canmaybe learn from her in the future.
But first of all, I just want to welcome my special, special guest, Spring Benson.
(01:13):
Thank you so much for being here today and welcome.
me.
I'm super grateful.
This is gonna be really fun, so I'm looking forward to it.
Yeah, I am really excited.
Well, so one of the things that as I was thinking about this podcast is just the fact thatI got to, you know, see you and I was already impressed by you when we first met in 2018.
(01:34):
And then when I saw you again last fall, it was on a stage.
And I remember that I was hearing your name quite a bit in the few years leading up tothat.
I was hearing it in, you know, high level coaching circles in the real estate world andthings like that.
And I was not aware really
exactly all that you were up to, but I knew that it was big and since then I've gone toyour she summit.
(01:57):
I've seen you on a very big stage in Cabo.
I've watched you do really extraordinary things and started following you on your socialsand it's just incredible to me what you're up to.
So what the first thing that really struck me was, know, 20 years ago, would spring of 20years ago have had any kind of window into
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where you would be 10 years later, and then again, would spring it 10 years ago, haveunderstood or had any window into where you are today, and kind of how did that occur, you
know, on the inside?
Yeah, well, that's a great question.
I love it.
And it would be the answer be that it's a hard no, meaning no way I would have thought 20years ago I would be where I am today.
(02:43):
um It's been a wild ride.
so when I got into real estate, I was in my early 20s.
And I don't know that I had a lot of career ambition.
Heather, was like, I thought I would sell real estate and it would be fun and I'd havesome babies and it would be extra income to my household.
Like that was my mindset.
uh
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And what ended up happening is I got my first, I won't bore you with all of it, but I gotmy first transaction and my first paycheck.
Because I was a hairstylist before, back in the day you got paid with cash and it was justa thing, right?
But I remember getting my first paycheck and I was like $10,000 and I never had $10,000 uhin my bank account and I was like, this is addicting.
(03:28):
Okay, I'm here for that.
And so I became a top producer for like 10 years.
And then I turned it into a team.
And going into a team, I had no idea what I was doing.
And then from a team to where I'm at today, it would be a no.
Like, just really didn't ever envision where I would be now, though, if you asked me thatquestion.
(03:52):
This spring today, at 44 years old, who I am.
can picture where I'm at in 10 years from now.
Does that make sense?
But the young spring at 23, if you would have told me at 23 where I'd be at 33 and 33 to43, I would not have ever imagined I'd be where I'm at today.
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Yeah, it's well taken because I understand that I do think it's easier to look back thanit is to look forward.
em Because you can kind of understand how you got there and sometimes not always.
Great.
But looking forward is harder.
(04:35):
uh Although I do think it gets easier with time because I think as you mature and as youlearn to rise forward or as you accomplish one thing after another, you begin to know what
you're capable of and then maybe you dream a little higher.
So one of the important things I think around any successful woman or anyone is theirsupport system and what it is that every day
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and this can be internal, external, family, you name it, what it is every day that allowsa person who's at a really high level or even who did grow, you know, as you did in that
last decade, what is the kind of rocket fuel, you know, that you have in your or solidfoundation that you have in your background, um you know, in your life that we don't see
(05:29):
on camera that allows you to be you?
Yeah, well there's two parts and I want to I don't want to necessarily go back to what wewere talking about but when I say the spring now can picture where she's at in 10 years
it's exactly the question you just asked me is because the last 10 years I have had a lotof rocket fuel behind me and that rocket fuel has come from I have massively invested in
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myself like I recognize that me as spring the human my identity how I see
myself and like what I am putting out there is the strongest force in human nature rightmeaning like we all perform to the level that we see ourselves and so I have spent a ton
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of money on coaching me like as a human from like how the brain operates to health tobio-hacking like I understand that and so one of the things Heather is part of the rocket
fuel has been
me understanding the power to create and not create from like a woo woo but to create likedesign what you want and execute it.
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And then the other rocket fuel that is behind me is I am very leveraged.
So I, one of the rocket fuels I have is I'm married to an amazing man.
um I post out about this online quite often that like who you marry is the biggestdecision you're gonna make because they either, they either help
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or they're gonna hold you back, right?
So I am married to somebody um who lets me just be, and he's cheering me on, and he'sencouraging and all those things.
And then on the leverage part, I am like massively leveraged on the uh people in myhousehold, to people in my real estate business, to my other businesses, like I don't do
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it all.
And you and I were literally just talking about this before we popped on camera.
You don't do it all either, right?
And so that
really starts creating who you become of like, when you can stand in your power of like, Iknow I'm good at this, I'm gonna stay in my zone of genius and I'm gonna have other people
help me with their zone of genius starts creating massive momentum.
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I love that so much.
And the fact that you really decided that you were worth the investment and that youwanted to do that, that you wanted to say, like, let me figure out who is either doing
something better.
And you mentioned also from a really holistic perspective, and I'm pretty deep into thisstuff too.
I call myself a biohacker, although compared with what I call real biohackers, I'm nowherein there.
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ah But it is uh extraordinary to think about yourself as this
editable being that can receive more instruction at a later life than we ever had maybebefore and then it can add to who we are and it can be in ways that we've never thought of
(08:27):
such as working on that internal self, how you view yourself and things like that.
There's actually a couple questions that I have off of what you last spoke about.
One, are some of the things that
you do that you think absolutely moved the needle for you in a massive way, just on yourinternal self, because again, this is about hacking that.
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And then the second one that I wanted to ask just from that is, what does a supportivepartner look like to you?
What is that really uh in the granular day-to-day or over a lifetime?
yeah, yeah.
So let's start with the first question.
So when you can start to understand just how human behavior and nature works is when youcan start to change it.
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And so.
First of all, just, I'm gonna, no, I don't wanna say dumb it down, but I'm gonna give youa context that we all can understand, because we all use uh computers or iPhones or
whatever, right?
Every single one of us is um formed by our belief system.
And our belief systems are programming that we're programmed with, from our parents ortheir grandparents and their grandparents.
(09:42):
it's, they say that,
you can determine somebody's wealth by the zip code they're born in.
Because we become a product of who we all surround ourselves with, right?
Like the way we think, what we consume.
It's why I the power of social media and even television programming.
Television was programming is what they would call it, right?
(10:03):
So when you can start to understand that human behavior is your belief system, uh then youcan start to change it.
So to give you the context of why I said I will...
uh
give you something we can all understand is the computer.
There's a computer that is like a Microsoft DOS, right?
The old crappy, crappy programming that was great, but now there's like the new iOS, Macoperating system, right?
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The human brain is the same way.
A lot of us are running off the old crappy Microsoft DOS programming that we, the beliefsystems that we were either.
brought up with our childhood that don't serve us anymore or things that negative thathave happened to us or whatnot.
And when you can understand like, oh, I'm telling myself the same 60,000 negative thoughtsa day.
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When I am like, I can go in and change that and let's go upgrade, upgrade my mindset.
That's when it really started to shift for me.
like four years ago, end of 2020.
I went to a training called Upgrade, it was basically that was neuroscience to reallyunderstand how you can reprogram, because a lot of the things I was doing were beliefs
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that were passed on from my mom or my grandparents or whatever.
Like, think about it.
Like, my mom was born in the 50s, dude.
It's 2025.
Like, the way they thought in the 50s compared to today is apples and oranges, right?
But it's a little different.
But we have that, right?
And so...
When you can understand that, how can you change it?
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First of all, you've got to design what you want.
So like we get in life what we think we're what we deserve.
And a lot of times we're not even taking more time designing our vacations.
Like you're going to Europe here.
You probably have spent some time designing, right?
Or we design our businesses or these podcasts, but we don't take the time to sit down anddesign the life that we want and who we want to be, right?
(12:02):
So taking the time to design it.
And then the second piece of that is
resolving what's holding you back from getting it.
So what crappy belief system, what's the story you're telling yourself around that?
And there's ways that you can, I won't get into that, go check out Upgrade, they can helpyou with this.
But understanding that you can get rid of that and be like, wait a minute, is that true?
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Or is that maybe true like 50 years ago, but like...
No, that's not true today.
And when you start seeing that, so that's where like when you said earlier, like I've hada massive shift over eight years, I've actually had a massive shift over four years.
In the last four years, like my life has like skyrocketed.
And it was just understanding those two concepts, like design what you want.
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Get very purposeful, reward yourself for creating it.
like the human brain, like reward yourself that you can have more and resolve what'sholding you back.
And it's been really powerful for me.
It's been cool to experience.
Yeah, and I love that you touched on that because it could be so many different types ofprogramming that a person is dealing with.
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It could be from friends, family, know, high school experiences, you know, it's like wesay, the human brain, I mean, you fall and spill something at age four and your mom who's
so important to you goes, you are so clumsy.
You can literally meet that person at age 25 or 30 and they'll say, oh, don't ask me to doX because I'm so clumsy, I might drop it.
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this is a program that has been written in that they did not have any awareness that thiswas a program and that it's not an always scenario, that there's no physical thing called
clumsy, unless you really do have some sort of a physical issue.
And I love that you kind of touched on this uh and also about how, know,
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what it is that could be holding you back because it's not just, I think this kind ofreverse, you know, or this programming that might've been in our past that we may not
understand or even know about, but also that it could be.
what we believe we deserve as humans.
I really do find so many people that I mentor that have come up through my company uh orthat I've, I always said every babysitter we ever had, we contributed to in some way.
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We were like, hey, what degree are you going for?
What are you gonna do when you get older?
And my husband and I were always just trying to have them think outside the box a littlebit more or just outside the box that is them.
And that deservingness I think is huge.
because if you had a past relationship that maybe poured negativity into you, you know,whether that's family or a significant other, whatever it is, uh or just life experiences
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as a whole, or you just didn't have life experiences that poured positivity and successinto you, and that you didn't have a legacy of that, you might not believe you not only
are capable, but that you do not deserve these things.
And that's a deeper programming that, I mean, really, for me, it's almost like heartbreak.
wrenching to think about because I know so many people that they you know to this daythere's a deserving this issue that they have and I can see it blocks them even though
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they are legitimately talented extraordinary human beings that in my understanding couldjust go blow the roof off of anything but we've got to get out of that so one of the
things you talked about how is upgrade and then you know I love that you said that in thelast four years you've really had a meteoric rise because
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sort of what my understanding was as well, but I went is that really possible becauseshe's kind of a badass like did that all happen in four years?
And and so I'd love to just talk briefly about and yes, I want you to answer the questionas well on you know
what is a supportive partner.
But then I'd love it if you can speak on what you've actually created in four years,because I think it can inspire other people to see that you really can go big and you
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don't have to do it over 20 years.
You can just hit a spark, hit like a third gear and do it.
yeah, yeah, for sure.
um Okay, this partner, here's the thing.
Who you marry like determines like that's who you spend your intimate time with you'relike all of it, right?
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And so you're going to marry like somebody supportive.
It looks different to whoever you are, right?
Like my marriage might not be attractive to somebody else and vice versa.
But for me, um, Brian is a hundred percent like he's my biggest fan.
And so if there's something that I want, he's, he's not, he is like probably believes inme more than I believe in myself.
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And so I would just tell
I would tell any woman, like, you just have to get in alignment of you're growing togetheror you're not, and we're growing together.
Saying like, you, Heather, and your husband, you guys are going to do cool things, you'regrowing together.
And so...
uh You just have to keep on continuing to be in alignment with each other and both beingon your growth paths and I would say that for a husband and or a wife I know a lot of men
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that are like my wife isn't growing, you know and vice versa so it's a it's a hundredpercent you guys are in alignment of the relationship you want to create and they're
cheering you on in terms of like the last four years I've always done well, so I don'ttell you like I haven't because I've always done well
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But, and there's a but here because my programming, my programming kept capped me from age23 to 24 to probably age 39.
38, 39.
I pretty much made the same amount of money in real estate.
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It didn't matter if at a team or a solo agent or a small team or a large team or theeconomy was great.
Like I made roughly the same amount of money year over year over year.
And it's because it was my identity.
Like if you asked me, Heather, how much money I made, I would tell you how much money Imade.
Like it was just like, that's how I identified myself.
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I was.
Yep.
like the average person because you were, you had, yeah, you were like a high performingrealtor.
You were having probably a really great luxurious income that maybe even that you weresatisfied with to some extent.
But I love that you're saying this.
Yeah, so what happened is I was comparing myself to everybody else, right?
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Like, well, I'm, and I was comparing myself to whatever that was.
And I was telling myself, because I was raised in an environment that like a lot of stayat home moms, which I dude, I respect the stay at home mom more than anybody to be very
candid.
But I in my my programming my upbringing was oh I contribute XYZ to my household like howgreat am I like?
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Whatever right and it capped me it literally like I was just complacent and I wascomparing myself to whatever and then um I Again, I went to I had a friend Call me out of
the blue She was one of those friends that you wouldn't talk to for a year and then theycall you and you're like besties, right?
Yeah.
And she called me on the balloon.
said, going to this training.
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It's um in, this was a Thursday.
It starts on Monday.
She's like, I thought about you to come to it.
And I'm like, okay.
When is it?
She's like Thursday.
And she's like, but by the way, it's a shiz ton of money.
And I'm like, well, what's a shiz ton of money?
And she tells me, I'm like, okay.
uh But she's like, I just think that you should, I think it would be great for you.
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So she got me on the call with the guy.
I moved my whole schedule around, I think it was like seven to 10 days of training.
And I ended up going, and this is when I started learning, Heather, the neuroscience oflike, never understood, I mean, I had done trainings about like the IAMs and creating your
IAM board and the vision board and like the foundational pieces of manifestation andcreation, but I never understood how to actually like...
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go and do it, right?
And um it was in that training what I started understanding.
So here's what you need to do.
Like I said, you need to design.
So design 25 attributes.
So if we're talking to women and I'm gonna use real estate because that's I'm in, godesign your ideal client, 25 attributes.
So like somebody who's a fast decision maker, somebody who...
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um
is abundant, all the things that you'd want, right?
Go and design them.
And then by designing it, you become that.
You're like, well, if I want somebody to make a fast decision, then I need to be a fastdecision maker.
And all these things.
And so you start designing.
then the human brain is so powerful in terms of creation.
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And here's the thing, Heather, is most of us are.
We're a product of our surroundings, so we're not dreaming.
As adults, we've stopped dreaming of what could it be, right?
And so they have you write down 100 experiences and 100 memories that you'd want to createand 100 like...
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things you'd want to purchase and it has nothing to do with the material.
It's just to start getting you like dreaming about what could it be and then your mindjust starts going to work on it.
And so...
um
kind of incredible because, you know, 100 seems like a lot, you know, it's like we go likename five, whatever, or think where you want to be in five years or something like that.
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This hundred is, you know, like I would imagine you'd run out at 30, you know, you'd haveto really start thinking about it and you'd probably come up with answers that would
surprise you or that you maybe didn't know were there.
Or they also have you do something like a 90 year vision plan because we're like, but thisis why, is because the human brain, let's say you want to fly on a private jet.
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Oh, I want a private jet.
But in your mind, you're justifying it.
You're like, yeah, right.
I'm never going have a private jet.
That's dumb.
So you just don't think that you're going do it.
But.
Heather, in 90 years, we'll all be flying on private jets.
Like, that'll be a thing, right?
And so it's just having your brain like, yeah, that's normal.
mean, if you think about it, I'm going to date myself here.
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I didn't even have a cell phone in high school.
Like, think about it.
Like, we didn't like how much the world has changed in 20 years.
We are bridging so much uh massive change and I'm with you there.
mean, I think Cyndi Lauper and Madonna were a thing, know, and tying ribbons, know, piecesof sweatshirt into our hair, yes.
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Yeah.
So it's really starting to think about like, wow, how much can happen in 20 years?
like, think about if there's something you want, how feasible that's gonna be.
So it's really been four years.
In the last four years, I...
So what happened is I wrote down in that training all these things and I lucid charted itout and did all this stuff.
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And then he said at the end of it, goes, I want you to write down something that if youknow what happened, this training was true or whatever.
And I wrote like, I want to make the same amount of money I make in a month, in a year.
fast um forward, I have done that in the past.
And it's one of those things where it's like, ah it just started me being like,
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Oh yeah, well why can I not?
And this is one of the contexts that I actually loved this thing.
I was in a private coaching session and I asked, I a comment, I'm like, well everybodyblah, blah.
And he's like, who's everybody?
I am all.
That's a great question.
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Because if you think about it, and I'll just use money for a new context, but it'sanything, right?
um There's people that you are super rich to.
There's people who poor and you would be the most rich human out there, right?
There's people in Africa and all, whatever, right?
And then there's people that would think I'm the poorest human on the planet, right?
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There's the billionaires and the whatever.
Who's everybody?
everybody's who we're comparing ourselves to.
So when you start looking at it, you'll like, well, wait a minute.
Like, can do this because there's people who's done it before or more or people who arenot.
Then you start being like, well, what is it that I actually do wrong?
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Because there's people doing what I want to do.
And that's when it starts getting really fun of like, well, I'm going to design who I wantto be and what I want to create.
And then the key to it is you got to show up as if you've already had it.
So if you want to be a six figure, seven figure, eight figure woman, ask yourself, what isthe woman who makes a million dollars a year?
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Does she wear pajamas to work or is she out of bed and doing her thing?
Is she investing in herself?
Is she putting herself in coaching?
Is she who she's surrounding herself with?
Like you just have to start showing up as that person and then you'll start receiving whatthey receive.
Yeah, and I love that because, I mean, talk about a mic drop statement, like, you know,who are, who do you need to be to get that life?
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And I love that also you can understand.
just by the simple fact of going, there are models for most of what I'm up to, thereforeit is possible, but also therefore I can use that model and try to, you know, gain some
knowledge from that.
And I can start acting like that.
ah You know, it's that old statement, fake it till you make it.
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But, and I, you know, I've heard Gary Keller say, you know, this as well, live theschedule of the person that you want to be.
If you want to be that person and also to understand what it takes to say,
want is one thing, but to also apply yourself in the what is required to get there.
And you can try to get there faster and you can hack it and you can do all kinds of thingsand shortcut it.
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But you still have to live whatever that daily life, that daily schedule, that dailycommitment is and the mindset around it.
Because like you were just mentioning, do you just wander in at 10 in your pajamas or isthis whole morning, this whole thing that happens for that person to arrive
ready to greet whatever that schedule is of that billionaire or you know million dollar amonth producer What does that look like and so that that kind of leads me to one of the
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other things that I wanted to ask you today and that is in a day What at the granularlevel do you do to show up?
uh
as fully as you need to be, and I think you know what that is, that you go, tomorrow's abig day, I need to put myself together in a way that makes sense.
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What preparatory things do you do?
What is your sort of like miracle morning?
What does that look like for you?
Yeah, it depends.
I...
So I usually actually protect my mornings.
I don't usually start my mornings crazy early um because I actually do like to get up andhave some thinking time.
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It's actually probably when I'm the most productive.
So I'm going to go against whatever he says with like get up and go work out and da da da.
I actually love to get up and uh read and get to work.
And then I'll usually go work out in middle of the day or end of day um because it's justwhen I keep myself fresh.
But I protect my mornings.
So a lot of times I won't even start till 10 a.m.
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Especially Mondays.
So my Monday schedule is, um I would say I quote unquote take Mondays off.
I don't take Mondays off.
But you are not getting on my schedule unless you're one of my core.
um
who I lead and then I'm gonna have a Monday sesh with you, right?
But so 10 a.m.
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is when my day starts generally unless I'm doing a coaching call then it's nine.
And then I am very purposeful of I don't, I eliminate things off my calendar.
I say no to most people.
I actually say no to most of these to be honest with you.
I just love you and yeah.
common refrain by the way that I hear more and more as you know among all my friends thatare baddies like you it's they're saying no
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Yeah.
saying no a lot more than they're saying yes.
They're being really cautious about their time.
absolutely was like, you know, I don't know if it's music to my ears so much, but it'sjust amazing to hear you say that with your mornings, because I know how fit you are.
And I just kind of assume that you're getting up and like grinding out two hours at thegym.
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But I protect my mornings too.
I am.
really big on sleep and it's not like I'm sleeping in.
just like wake up at six, 5.30, 6.30 would be the latest anyway.
But I am very much, it's such a thought invoking time.
Nobody's bugging you yet.
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I mean in my own household, it's like me and the dog.
You know, my boys, there's no way they're awake yet and you know, they're older andit's...
You have this quiet time and I think that there's so much wisdom that comes in themorning.
What are your thoughts on that?
I love it.
mean, I think we live in this culture and society where they're like, 5 a.m.
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and Heather, I did that for years.
I mean, I did have little kids and I was at Pilates at five or 530 so that I could be homewhile they were sleeping.
I could get them up and do all those things.
So like, I did live that life um for many, many years uh and it served its time andpurpose.
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Now though, like, my kids are older.
as well, my youngest is 16.
um She's capable of being home by herself and things like that, right?
And let's face it, at nighttime, she's off with her friends or doing her thing.
And so there is more freedom and flexibility in my schedule later in the day or whatnot.
And so I actually love my sleep too.
Like I'm a 6.30 or 7 a.m., which I would have never, like I said, I was the girl gettingup at five or before to be at the gym by five, but it's...
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I just actually find myself actually staying up later because I do have a teenager thatI'm like, where are you?
so it's like sometimes I'm not going to sleep till like midnight or later.
Yeah.
suddenly get in a good mood.
I noticed my boys are 22 and almost 20 and I'm like, why are they so cheerful at after 8p.m.?
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I'm starting to get tired and they're like, hey mom, my gosh, about my day, you know, andI wanna be there for that.
So I love that you said that.
Yeah, and a lot of times I'll stay up and she gets home at midnight and then I'm in thekitchen talking to her and to your point, that's when they want to talk to you.
And so I just think I would give women that there's time and seasons in your life andyou've got to do what's right for you and what works for your family.
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And so I'm not going to get out here and be like, I'm grinding at 5 a.m.
because it's just not true.
um And I do protect my time.
I say no a lot.
uh If it's not somebody that
I'm like I really like you so I was like sure that would be a fun conversation, but I getapproached about these
multiple times a week and I'm like, don't have time, right?
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And then I would just say I'm very purposeful right now about the leverage.
And so like I have a house manager.
have, this is like, I have somebody come to my house and blow dries my hair twice a week.
I know people are like, what?
But like these are extensions, they take forever.
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And yeah.
Yeah.
because beauty takes time and you want to look your best and so you literally just lifehacked.
beauty like because yes, you always look amazing and put together.
Um, I have extensions as well.
So like, you know, it's they do, they take a lot of work and that's so great that you saidthat and a house manager on another podcast, I interviewed Justin Nelson, CEO of uh a
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sphere rocket, which I also white label through except excellence VAs and it's, uh, it'sdefinitely one of those new concepts, but it's not new at all to the billionaire set.
It's not new at all to the multimillionaire set.
It's totally normal that they would have additional help.
And in everything that you're saying, what I hear when you say no a lot and when youchoose to bring someone to your house to do your hair, because now you're saving the drive
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and everything, what I hear is the opportunity cost of not doing that.
Because the fact that you're doing this allows you to go have a much higher billing rateper hour, literally launch a whole new company in the time you saved in three months of
doing your life this way.
Yeah, well I like to give you context.
So she comes on Thursdays.
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Yesterday she, today is Friday, this won't go out on Friday, like context here, like thehour that it took her to blow dry my hair and curl it and stuff, I wrote all my emails for
the upcoming week for my database.
Like it just makes it to where I was like, okay, I can do this while she's doing that.
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Or like the house manager piece, like my kids don't care who buys the
groceries and cleans and does the laundry they just really would like it done right and soit it just works and so I would just say give yourself permission like a life hack and the
way if you want to figure it out is what is what do you make so let's say you make ahundred thousand dollars a year
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There's roughly about 2,080 hours that people work in a year.
You divide that by, so you divide, let's say, 100 divided by 2,080.
That's roughly about, just for easy math, I know it's not exact, but roughly about $50 anhour.
So could you pay somebody to mow your lawn and go, uh that time you're mowing your lawn,you can go make more money, or spend the time with your family?
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Like, a lot of times I'm using the leverage for the luxury piece too of like,
I want to spend this time with my family not doing laundry or whatever, right?
And so I just think as women, give yourself the permission.
Like, you can have it all.
Like, you can have it all.
You just have to decide what that is.
Yes, and you can have it all, but that doesn't mean you need to be hands-on physicallydoing it all.
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And so that kind of brings me to my question on being a CEO.
So last fall, listened to Bea Williams and other artists on stage really kind of repeat acommon phrase and refrain that I thought was really interesting, and that was being in the
messy middle.
And I understand we were having a conversation a lot about real estate at the time,although it really does
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I think apply across so many many industries.
I was in business in the in the corporate world before real estate and so I'm alwayslooking to how the everything from a mom-and-pop coffee shop to whatever you know,
whatever small corporation or big corporation that messy middle.
Can you define that term and explain why maybe getting out of that is beneficial to thebusiness and to the CEO or the entrepreneur?
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Yeah, I would say the missing middle is when you're still you're creating a business, butyou still have a job meaning the business is still relying upon you or maybe you don't
have enough revenue to go hire the leverage or You just said that you're just at thatcrucial point that you need either raise capital or you need to hire more leverage and A
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lot of people don't make it past that they don't make it past it because either theiridentity of of Being a true leader and being like well if I hold my capital
responsible and I hire the right person then it will 10x what I do, right?
Or sometimes they maybe are like they don't They're afraid to lose control and they'relike well, I'm the only person who can do it I mean, there's a lot of reasons why people
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don't make it out of the messy middle But here's what I would say to you There's just alot of freedom when you can start truly being like did I create a
a high paying job for myself or did I actually create a business for myself?
And what needs to happen from a leverage point and a finance point?
I will tell you a lot of my growth came in the last five years from uh early 2020.
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I was really burned out Heather and I...
um
I had been in real estate for 15 years and I went to one of my coaches and he's like,well, spring is cause you're not treating it like a real business.
And that was like a little bit of a gut punch.
Cause of course we all think we have these businesses, right?
And he was like, you need to hire some leverage.
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And you need to hold your finances responsible.
Know your numbers.
Because if you know your numbers, then you can make educated decisions to grow and scale.
so that's where we got really granular about where our, again, we're in the real estatespace, so what are costs of goods sold, what are profit margins were, where can I add on
additional leads, if they cost me this much, how much of ROI, can I hire this employee at$120,000 a year, but he should bring in an extra 500.
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Just those things.
that then knowing it and then being the who, the who around that can make that happen andthat's where your identity has to shift a little bit of, okay I'm gonna go into really
being a leader here and being somebody who can lead and manage other people and that takessome skills and if it's not you and you're like that's not me like there's pieces of like
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the business I have.
I have had to hire leaders that could do that, right?
So it's, first of all, just being aware of where you're really at and then making thedecision, what do you really, want?
Do you want to get out of the messy middle?
Because if you do, it's going to take a different identity of how you're going to show upfor it.
Yes, and really, you know, where do you thrive?
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It's almost like if you were to interview yourself for the ideal job.
Yeah.
Yeah.
just because you want to grow or you think it's a natural next step for your business, itdoesn't mean that you need to be the one to do exactly X.
It could just be that where you fit best in your own business could be in production orbaking the cookies or whatever it is.
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But if you want to see that growth, that could look quite different because like youmentioned, maybe I go hire a high level manager.
uh
our shared coaches, I actually love one of the things he used to always say, which was,you don't need to buy or whatever this next system, you need a who.
And I just remember always where is that who and is that even someone who's already in myorganization that I could just elevate them and give them a new job.
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And it makes me think all the time, what is the highest and best purpose of each person inmy organization?
And what is the highest and best purpose of me?
And knowing that that also can change over time.
And like you said, you need the skills.
If you are gonna give yourself that promotion,
What would you have another person do learn be get trained up to do whatever it is andthen you need to Go apply that to yourself.
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You can't just Expect that income to come and expect those those skills to come
You know, I even read books about how to be a mom.
I was like, I have a toddler.
I have no idea what to do here.
I'm gonna read, you know, toddler whisper or whatever it was.
Those were amazing.
And so it's like anything in life.
You gotta, I think, level yourself up with some knowledge um to then own that nextposition or find the person that has the thing you want and go learn from them or model
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them in some way.
So I have another question for you about um
leverage, you've talked about how you've used it in your home, you've talked about howyou've utilized leverage in your business.
I want to talk about the concept of partnerships.
um
because I know that this is something that I think you in particular from what I'm seeing,ah have done this really well.
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And I think that you have been able to create and hold partnerships and are building newones.
And I want to give you a moment to talk about what's next as well and what you're up toafter this.
But...
you know, how has have have partnerships occurred for you?
Are they organic?
Do you seek them?
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You know, how can you state the role in like what partnerships has has played for you inyour recent business successes?
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm a firm believer in partnerships.
I actually have partners in every one of my businesses.
So,
And that's something I didn't know because I can say it from a business owner perspective,it's a little scary.
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A lot of us are kind of, I don't know, controlling, you know, or control freak or fearful,you know, cause it's like my baby.
And so yeah, let's hear about that.
Yeah, I'm actually not controlling.
It's interesting.
Yeah, I don't have a like, it's my baby either, which is I know it's unique, right?
um But yeah, so I mean, the real estate team was me and then I brought in partners in thelast few years because I believe that there's growth through partnership.
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It's actually one of my core values um in some of my businesses.
And so I have partners like I have a title company, for
I I know nothing about title other than the real estate part so to go open a title companyNo, so I partnered with somebody who can open a title company and do the business side And
then I can do the part that I'm good at same with the mortgage.
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We have a mortgage joint venture Say I partnered with the people who had to put togetherthe mortgage joint venture and then we do the other component of it, right?
um Same with real estate like I partnered with place place has been a great partner.
They offer a lot of
back-end infrastructure and health insurance and all the things that create some of thebusiness side, then I'm great at the human coaching and capital side of it, right?
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And so same with my coaching uh company, Justin's a partner in that, Even I look atRevShare as partnership.
I'm not gonna grow my revenue share organization without having really great strategicpartners.
so everything in my life is a great partnership.
I just believe that life and business isn't meant to be done alone and there's strength inthat.
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Now with that being said, you obviously need to have the right partners, right?
And be a great partner too.
And so they have happened somewhat organically, some were strategic, like the team Ibrought in place, that was a strategic partnership.
The gentleman I did the title company with, I worked with him for like 10 years.
So I had that relationship.
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My mortgage company is actually a Simply Mortgage uh joint venture, which I've had a greatrelationship with them down before too.
So everybody I'm in partnership with, I didn't just go in out of the gate as a partner.
We've had a previous relationship that we were like, yes, let's go do this.
uh
concept of elevating from within or even just taking existing relationships that you cansee there is a possible future in that.
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And I think that comes again to that uh wisdom that you have and your own ability to seesomething and to trust your gut to just go for it.
um Have you had partnerships that...
haven't worked or that you've had to, obviously not any names, like, or ideas where you'vehad to go, okay, let's launch this and then, whoa, you know, a year or two later or a
(45:00):
month later, let's change that out.
Yeah, so actually you came to She Summit.
So that was when we launched a year before and we pulled it back.
We pulled it back.
That event, that was our last event.
It was just the wrong time.
was, we had the bus of intentions with it.
(45:23):
I think that we fast forward to now, could probably do it better.
But we just, was, and I are best friends.
So it wasn't a, it wasn't a issue of like our partnership.
It was just the wrong timing.
Great idea, just a lot of work.
And I was like, I don't have the capacity for this.
(45:43):
So yeah, we have done things that we pulled back and said, maybe this isn't the rightthing.
And I've had partnerships that, uh because some of these joint ventures, you're bringingother uh people to come in and whatnot to be a part of it.
ah I've had people that we've had come in and that we've ultimately decided to part ways.
(46:07):
I don't have any issue with it.
I just believe if you start it correctly with the right paperwork and the rightexpectations, like,
then if it's not gonna work, we get to part ways.
And if we were friends before, then we'd be friends after and if we weren't, then I guessit is what it is, right?
And so I value my partners tremendously and I would say I'm a great partner and I havegreat partners.
(46:32):
And if there's something that's not working, we're having conversations around it, but forthe most part, everything has been pretty great, so.
That's great too and just the fact that you can have explosive growth if you reach out forhelp.
um know another one of our coaches I want to say it's been Kenny has said there's no extraprize for getting to the finish line alone.
(46:58):
And it is something that sticks in my head too because it really does sound like wisdom.
And I have seen what you've been able to do with partnerships.
So I know that we're nearing kind of our end in time.
again, I want to thank you for coming.
But I also wanted to ask, I know you're up to some killer stuff right now.
I am aware.
(47:19):
And I wanted to know what you wanted to share with our audience.
And also, how can they connect with you?
What are you up to that maybe someone who goes, wow, I want to be in the world of thiswoman and how can I learn from her whatnot?
How does that work?
(47:39):
Yeah, well, thank you.
We have a couple of different things.
So follow me on the gram.
It's realspringbee.com or realspringbee, my website springbee.com.
Yeah, we have some coaching.
We have some mastermind groups.
We are primarily in the real estate space.
We are going to do another women's event in November.
We're just going to do it different.
uh But we are excited about that.
(48:01):
And I would just say, or follow me, just follow me.
I do have a lot of stuff.
We're building on the EXP community.
called Upgrade.
That's fun.
Now that EXP has launched co-sponsorship, you and I can do it together.
which is phenomenal and I'm so excited for that.
Literally, I'm so excited for that because it allows people to cross collaborate and it'slike you just said, the wisdom of partnership like.
(48:28):
You know, I like what you're doing, you like what I'm doing, we're both up to stuff.
How can that work together?
And maybe not every idea is perfect at its inception, but if you have great people andthey have similar aligned visions, uh and like you said, the paperwork is aligned or
whatever, and the co-sponsorship thing just makes it so clean and I think so brilliant onEXP's part.
(48:52):
it's such a game changer.
I was on a call earlier today and they're like, what do I do here?
And I'm like, let's just all co-sponsor.
Like uh it'll weave all of us together.
And they're like, don't even know that that's a thing.
I'm like, it's a thing.
Let me walk you through it.
So yeah.
Yeah, I 100 % love that.
Well, I just want to say again how much I appreciate you and it is so fun to have seenyour rise, just the two snapshots in time.
(49:19):
was like 2018, 2024, went, whoa.
And then it's so, it was amazing to attend your event.
It is amazing to have heard you speak in front of thousands on stage and to watch thecrowd just explode.
You always give so much more than
the expectation I think and just being in your world is so instructive and it yeah it justgives me always more excitement for what is possible in my career in the career of others
(49:52):
in what's possible in this industry in you know all the other ways that you know holdingon to your coattails or just kind of watching you rise and just knowing that yes women can
have it all you need to leverage yourself you need to have good parts
You need to have an amazing partner in your home and you need to be willing to take timefor yourself and figure out how to hack that thing that is you and program yourself.
(50:18):
And I think all of that is just extraordinary in you.
And so I want to thank you again so much, Spring.
You are a phenomenal human and I appreciate you.
you for having me.
Thank you.
Thank you to all of our listeners and watchers today.
Please like and subscribe and thank you again for joining our podcast, Women Who Rise.
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