September 18, 2025 • 29 mins
Defensive coordinator Robert Saleh, offensive coordinator Klay Kubiak, and QBs Mac Jones and Brock Purdy reflected on early-season progress, provided injury updates, and previewed the team’s Week 3 matchup vs. Arizona.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Carl chum Lynch said this morning at Cambor that he
thinks that your Jets head coaching experience made you a
better has made you a better defensive coordinator. Do you
agree and what did you take away from that Jets experience.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I think anytime you get years under your belt at
just coaching football or doing anything any any any craft,
I feel like if you're paying attention to your weaknesses,
you'll find a way to get better. So I don't know,
I guess it's question more for him.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Paying attention to mistakes and you're getting better When you
look at what the defense has been able to do
over the first two weeks, what are some mistakes that
were made maybe in the Saints game, because Fred is
kind of vocal about there's still mistakes. There are still
mistakes that you saw on the Saints game that you
just feel like you've got to do away with going
into this one against Kyler.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Murray and the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, as the year goes on and more tape is
being put on, there's there's there's things that offenses will
look for with regards to us creating, you know, vacating
different parts of our our zones and offenses are always
chasing space, and so we just got to be very
cognizant of the space that we're allowing to get created.
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And so from a from a precision standpoint, it could
be a heck of a lot better. It was awesome
that we closed the game with the last two drives,
but and we had a really good kind of middle
of it, you know, a few good series in there
where we played good ball. But you know, in a
couple of those touchdown drives, we just weren't as clean
as we needed to be. The last last touchdown drive
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was unfortunate with a couple of those penalties, but overall
felt like we could have played a heck of a
lot cleaner, you know, especially from a technique and fundamental standpoint.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You Winters had that hit out of bounds penalty. You're
always talking about, you know, playing with a certain amount
of vilements and he seems to be sort of right
at that line. How do you know, what's your coaching
point to somebody who's right at that line but then
has a as a penalty like that.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, no, he's uh, They're gonna call that one hundred
percent of the time. I'll be curious to see if
the league recognized it, he didn't, he wouldn't touch in
the wit quite yet. And those quarterbacks are starting to
show a tendency of turning it upfield and lowering shoulders too,
So there's a there's a little bit of a conflict
for these defensive players when it gets to the sideline
with the quarterback. But you know, he's just he They're
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the ones out there shooting bullets. You know they've they've
also got to protect themselves, but also be smart in
those situations when it looks obvious that the quarterback is
running out of bounds, just let it go and just
know the history of the quarterback. If he's a type
of quarterback that's going to try to turn it upfield
and try to get an extra couple of yards, and go, go,
do what you need to do. But uh, I hope
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I'm answering your question. But but at the same time,
it's it is tough because of what these running quarterbacks
are starting to do on those sidelines.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Talking about the Patrick Mahomes play.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's just throughout the league, all of them shoot. I
think Patrick a couple of years ago tiptotal the line
when people thought he was gonna go out of bound.
So there's and then you know, just my experience with
Josh Allen and all those guys are these quarterbacks are big,
they're powerful, they're fast, they're elusive, and they're using that
rule to their advantage.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
You guys, you have one of those guys this week,
do you guys have to be a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Conscious of that. Yeah, he's uh but for sure. You
know he's a late slider. You know he's uh but
but he he is. He is fast, he's elusive, he's
a jitterbug, and he's and he's also a passer first.
You know, he's not just looking to run, he's looking
to buy some time and be able to put the
ball in the air. But he's as challenging as it gets.
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Give it up a couple long catches down the field.
The first two games, do you see it from him?
In particular, Ronaldo's competing his butt off. You know, the
the double move was unfortunate, and with every single one
of them he can he's he's learning something. You know,
his leverage could have been a a lot better at
the from an alignment standpoint on that first on the
one against the Saints and ended the route at the
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line of scrimmage. But uh, Renard, people got to remember
he's just a second year kid, the second year young man,
and uh and he's learning and getting better every single week.
Loved his energy this week. He always bounces back. I
don't think I don't feel like it faces him with
the way he communicates. Uh, he lines up, he goes back,
He competes, and it's the one thing you want to
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see is that if a guy gets beat, he's still
up there and pressed and ready to go play and
compete again. And he's not just bailing trying to stay
on top. So Ronaldo said, is in a good spot,
He's getting better and he'll continue to compete. Marvin Harrison
Junior this kind of challenges he presented a big challenge.
You know, Marvin's a big, strong, powerful receiver. You know,
he's he's got great hands, He's he's a total package.
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And so with all our corners, whether he's the like
he real lies in the slot. So it's gonna be
a challenge for Upton. But but he definitely presents a challenge.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
With with Huff when Price Hoff when when you first
saw him young obviously was established at the time, did
I guess how long did it take for you to
realize he had a very unique, elite specific quality as
far as.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
His gig tell a moment when we got to the Jets.
So so he was a rookie the year prior, so
on twenty one, you know, he and he was playing linebacker,
and but it was kind of you know those it
was a three four scheme, so it was a little
bit different than than what we do to give you background.
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I want to say we told him that if he
was gonna make it, it was gonna be as a d end.
And I want to say he put on almost twenty
five pounds, was just straight muscle, like his his weight
room stuff, his lower half strength and all that stuff
is ridiculous. And in that offseason so he got up
to I mean, he just just packed on pounds. And
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and I was joking with him during the preseason this year,
you know, and he when he wasn't dressed in the
fourth quarter, I was like, man, remember in twenty three,
you were still you were still the fourth fourth quarter
the end, you know, he was, So it wasn't we
knew what we had. But we also drafted a couple
of first rounders and Uh, you know in twenty three
he really took off and uh and own that role
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and ended up with the double digit sacks. But you know,
which is kudos to him. He never got down on himself.
He never got discouraged with people who were being placed
in front of him. He just kept plugging. And uh,
he's gotten better and better and he's and he's even
better now.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
As far as that. You know, he's talked about like
he got paid by the Eagles, but for a lot
of his career, he really hasn't felt the love you mentioned.
Drafteduple first round guys. He thought he might get traded
while he's having a ten sax season when you obviously
you traded for him for a reason. But was there
a concis like, hey, like make an effort to say, hey,
we we love you here.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know, we're embracing you.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
He knows, he knows I begged him not to go
to Philly the first time. So but money talks. But no,
he's Uh. I like to think that he feels appreciated
out here, you know, even if you wouldn't appreciate it.
Back out on the East Coast and two different locations.
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You know, he's definitely appreciated here. And I've said it before,
you know, there's I've always said that those guys, guys
like bos, the Michael Parsons of the world, all those
great edge rushers, I put huff up there with all
of them. I mean, the guy produces at a very
high level. They're like closures of baseball. You know, You've
got a bunch of guys standing in the outfield. In
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the infield is watching this pitcher pitch. You know, he
just and he lights it up. But he's a special
he has a special talent and and a talent that's
very very, very very precious in this league.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
In your first snit here with Warner, I remember a
few times you kind of had that it was a
young player. You had that push and pull like how
much can I put on his plate?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
How much can I not?
Speaker 6 (07:52):
When you came back here this time, like did you
have conversations with him, like how do you kind of
go about like what you feel comfortable giving him now
that he's so further advanced.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well, the communication is constant, you know. I you know,
just just through the first couple of weeks of game
planning and just pulling them in and just having side
conversations and where we're as a defense. What's he like,
what he doesn't like, what he thinks we can execute,
you know, Just so it's just constant dialo. He's so,
he's so much further advanced. He's Uh, he's turned into
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a coach on the field.
Speaker 8 (08:24):
I'll make a quantum leap in terms of performance this week.
Or was he just more spectacular?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's a fair question. There there's gonna be ups and downs.
I thought last week was fantastic for him. He was
he on on rundowns. He said, edges knocked people back. Uh,
created the mismatch that we need at tight end versus
tight end. And on third down he did a really
good job collapsed in the pocket and really really giving
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those edge guys a chance to rush a pastor when
you've got pocket push the way you do that, that's
where that speed to life, where that quarterback just can't
step up. He's got to say, hit his back foot
and stay there if he feels that pressure. And I
felt like mikel was doing that all game. Same thing
with your Tour and the rest of them. But uh,
you know they're they're like I said, there's gonna be
roller coasters. There's some games would be great, some games won't.
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But I even in the in the games that don't
pop off the tape, he's still gonna find ways to
get better and eventually it's just gonna be consistent dominance.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Is there anything Marky Siegal could have been differently or
better on that touchdown catches?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You want to? Yeah, Uh, credit to them, and it's
I thought, uh, Spencer Ratler put that ball in a
perfect spot. Obviously it's a big, big tight end, you know,
it's I looked that from a coverage standpoint. That's tip
your cap to them. Obviously you can go chest to
chest and try to get in there, but uh, I
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wish I put us in a better coverage. All right,
thanks guys, All right, how's it going?
Speaker 9 (10:23):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Goodness?
Speaker 6 (10:27):
What's your evaluation of Mac on something?
Speaker 10 (10:30):
I thought Mac played really well, you know, for someone
who hasn't played you know, competitive football, a real game
for I don't know how long it was, uh stepped
in you know, first quarter, it kind of settled, had
to settle undergroove a little bit with some of his
accuracy and some of his timing, But once he did,
I thought he played really good and he made plays
for us to win the game.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
So Hendrick Bourne, this who's you know, Route Tree, you know,
grow given that he now has a whole week here, Yeah, yeah,
what he am for sure.
Speaker 10 (11:01):
I mean, the more he's out there practicing, the more
he's getting comfortable with what we do, his opportunities are
going to go up. And you know he's he's a
sharp guy. He picks it up. So I think you
would just continue to see him be a part of
our offense.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
We got Connor Kolby here. What were kind of your
initial impressions and what kind of growth have you seen from.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Him from that?
Speaker 10 (11:21):
You know, initially just he's a real quiet rookie. He
just was here and working and kind of anonymous in
that way. And then over time, you know, you just
kind of see a guy out there who was very
consistent in camp. And when guys just show up consistently
every day and are doing things the right way, you
start to see, Hey, this guy can play. And I
think that that was kind of his path over the
course of camp. He played good in the preseason, and
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then he steps in for us in a big moment
and he played well. And so he's a guy who
just you know, do you notice him a lot? No,
but you notice how consistent he's been and how he's
doing the right thing. And so we're happy with his
progress and you know he's gonna we're gonna need to
keep playing good.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
The draft gurus or gurus or always right, but all
of Connor Colby's stuff said, boy, you know he's a
good run blocker, but not so you know the past
game he's needs a lot and we're kind of indicated
it was the opposite, is it you found that to be?
Speaker 10 (12:13):
Yeah, I think I think that's true. I think I
think we that stood out to us early in camp
was how how stout he was in past protection. Uh,
he didn't lose matchups, and so you know, our our
evaluation of him in the draft, I just we thought
a guy who had a really bright future. You know,
he was solid in all areas and so I mean
that's why we drafted him. So whatever the evails were,
whatever people said, you know, I think you know, we
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had a very good feeling for him, the kind of
person he was and how tough he was, and you know,
to say he surprised us, I mean he probably has
a little bit because of where we took him, But
I mean he's been doing what we hoped he would do.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So you think at Jones's uh play fake on the
on the bootleg to to Farrell kind of carried it
out pretty pretty solidly there on the handoff. Remind me
which one the touchdown naked boot we need?
Speaker 10 (13:01):
Oh yeah, that was That was great and that's how
we teach it. You know, he's really got to sell
that downhill gap scheme run. That was awesome and we
got the edge and looked at a good job of
selling the run and that was awesome playing. Luke did
a great job after the catch too, running a guy
over and scoring for us.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So that was a big time.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Christian Edricata yesterday he felt like, you guys are close
to breaking some big ones. What are you seeing in
terms of maybe not as much success as you'd like,
but in terms of how close you are to getting there?
Speaker 10 (13:26):
Yeah, I think the numbers, you know, aren't crazy, they're
not They're not going to vow you. But when you
really watch that tape, I think we're doing a good
job in the run game. You know, we're running the
ball efficiently. You know, we were doing what we kind
of want to do. And then there's been some opportunities
where we're a hair off for one reason or the other, right,
whether it's one block we don't finish, or you know,
just a back making a guy miss or making a
cut differently.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But we're close.
Speaker 10 (13:47):
But uh, you know, I've been I've been happy with
our run game and you know, we've had we haven't
had negative runs. We've had efficient runs, which is good.
And if we keep doing that, you know, and we
need to keep doing that. I think it's a matter
of time before we do pop some and we get
some of those explodes. Is But we've been good and
we got to keep getting better.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Though.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
So we've seen over the years rookies who get hurt
in training camp sort of fall behind and never really
are able to catch back up their rookie seasons. Is
Jordan Watkins in danger of that or has he kind
of shown of, I don't know, a sharpness you know
since the spring that will allow him to kind of
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get back up to speed quickly.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
For sure.
Speaker 10 (14:27):
You know, it's tough. It's tough when you miss time
for anybody, and rookies especially because it's just going through
the rigors of the season. When you miss time in
training camp, it is a setback. So he's doing everything
he can do. You know, he's he's a sharp guy.
He's working, you know, and we hope he stays on
that trajectory and he gets his opportunity. But the truth is,
it's hard when you have setbacks and you miss time.
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So you know, you kind of see what guys are
made of and they overcome it and keep pushing through it.
Speaker 11 (14:53):
So with Robinson out, Kittle and ir and then I
you know, return his near how confident are you once
those guys come back that this offense can kind of
fire on all cylinders.
Speaker 10 (15:07):
I mean, I'm confident now. I mean I'm confident with
the guys we have out there. Obviously you name a
lot of names that aren't out there. But I love
the way our guys are working as a group. I
love the kind of football we're playing. And as long
as we have that mindset, I think whoever's out there,
we're going to continue to have hopefully have some success
on offense. You know, we haven't turned the ball over
a lot. We've been we've played penalty free, we've been efficient.
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We got to keep doing those things, and so yeah,
you hope to add players who who we know are
explosive players who can make great plays for us, and
you hope that we continue that trend. So I think
we got to keep playing good football, and when those
guys come back, it's I think it's only going to
be a bonus.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And it has a reputation of being a pretty good
defensive coach. What does his defense look like this year
on film?
Speaker 10 (15:47):
Yeah, I mean schematically, there are always a challenge. You know,
they were one of the more unique schemes in the NFL,
and they have really good players. You know, starts with
Buddha and I have so much respect for that guy.
I think he's one of the better defensive players in
this league. And he just he's all over the foot,
all over the field. They've added some guys up front,
you know, and they and they've gotten better up front
in my opinion, and so that's you know, becoming one
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of the strengths of their defense. So when you add
the challenges of the scheme, the talent in the back end,
and then then getting better up front and their pass rush, uh,
they're they're a real big challenge for us. So that's
what we're working on, and we'll be up for it,
but it's it's gonna be a tough game.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Talk about Kyle's play calling and how elite is play
calling is, and he's curious. I mean, you know, almost
anybody can call a play, but what goes into teaching
guys to execute the play that you call. What's the
especially with the reduced amount of practice time in recent years.
Why is Kyle good at that?
Speaker 10 (16:42):
Yeah, he's a Kyle is a great teacher. You know,
he can he can get his vision, he can get
his guys to understand his vision. And it's about communication
and how you communicate things to people. So it starts
with preparation and just the way you prepare guys, the
way you teach, whether it's through installs or through films.
He's exceptional with those things. And then when it comes
to game day, it's play. It's preparation. You know, it's
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putting yourself through scenarios, putting yourself in situations where Okay,
when this happens, I want to have this call, and
that happens, I want to have this call. Uh, and
sort of and also sort of knowing what your players
are comfortable with you know, when you get to Sunday,
what do I feel like these guys are ready to
execute in this situation. And Kyle puts himself through all
those situations and he's taught me a lot about how
to do that as well, how to be ready for
those moments. So, you know, I just think when you combine,
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you know, the teaching and the way we teach, he
teaches our offense, and the way he prepares to call
the game, I think that's where you get, you know,
good play calling.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And it pointed out the channion's really good in game
at making switches on the fly. You've worked with other coaches,
I'm sure how does he compare?
Speaker 10 (17:44):
I mean, yeah, I think all coaches that's part of coaching.
You have to make adjustments. And Kyle has a great eye.
And when we're looking through the pictures and we're we're
kind of looking at how the defense is reacting, you know,
Kyle's great at communicating what he's seeing and then we
talk and we say, hey, what can we do to
kind of, you know, take advantage of this look what
they're doing, And like, yeah, like you said, Kyle just
has a great eye for those things and he sees them,
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and we communicate on the sideline and we try to
get it done if we need to make adjustments. All right, guys,
appreciate you have a good one.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
We hooping on Sunday, hopefully the film.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
What kind of impression did you take from your.
Speaker 12 (18:28):
Start in New Orleans?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah, I definitely watched it and learned from it and
took all the coaching points and then have worked hard
in practice to fix the things I hate saying fix,
but learn from the things I didn't do as well
and just get better at them. And I think the
guys have done that, and we've definitely moved on from
that game. Just really focus on the Cardinals and stacking
another good performance and Karen some good momentum in this week.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Look at those things.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
What were some of those things where you said, Okay,
I could be better at this.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Or better at that.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Really just mindset stuff and staying in the moment. And
like I said, starting the game faster is important to me,
and that just goes down to doing your job really
well and sticking to your rules, your your reads, all
those things. So working on that in practice and still
got a lot to put in here and get better.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
At back Why don't you like the word fix?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I feel like it sometimes has like a negative connotation.
I think, like you're just trying to grow and learn
and do things better. So that's that's what I think
it is. I don't think anything's broken, and when you
hear fixed, that's what you think, right. But in football,
every week it's a new week, and the NFL, they
don't care if you won last week or lost. It's
a fresh slate, fresh canvas, and you got to go
out there and paint a good picture.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Is that part of like you kind of have to
train your mind as far as positive thinking. I mean
that's a very subtle thing. But is that something that
you've learned throughout for sure?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah? I mean what you think usually comes to life.
So you got to be positive and also critical at
the same time. And you know, you never do everything right,
so you got to figure out what you didn't do
right and learn from it.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
It was it was a few times that we saw party,
you know, talking with you on the sideline, cheering for you,
excited for you the plays you were making out there,
just interested. Now that you've reflected on that game and
now you guys are look at two week three. Have
you and Brock talked, had any conversations anything that's kind
of helped you to go into this game a little
bit more settled than the last.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, Brock's doing a great job preparing and really just
bouncing off ideas between each other, and like we do
every week, we're going to go in each day and
attack it and there's a lot of information to absorb.
And whether he's playing round playing it doesn't matter. We're
still working together and just trying to get to Sunday
to where we feel comfortable and the coaches feel comfortable
in the plan and we feel comfortable in the plan.
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So yeah, we do a great job communicating and also
having fun and just keeping it loosen there. And that's
what it's all about. Your working, but you're also that's
your job, but you're really just friends, you know, also
just hanging out.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
How about you be paying attention to some of the
numbers and things like that. Numbers showed the last year
you struggled a bit against zone coverage. The other day
you had a lot of success against it. Anything that
you can point to that maybe helped that. Maybe some
things schematically you're doing here that is helping that regard.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, just different systems, I guess. And obviously the system
is very quarterback driven and playing on time and then
also not playing on time, like it's not just always
perfectly on time. And zone defense is about depth and spacing,
so guys just have to get in the right spots
and it's the quarterback's job to deliver the ball. And
then man coverage is different and you can see either
one sometimes you know, sometimes you don't, but you have
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to react and play the position how you would normally.
And it doesn't really matter if it's a Marizona. You
just gotta follow your rules and go where the ball
takes you.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
You got down on yourself too much when things went
wrong early in your career.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I don't know, doubt on myself. I just really like
got better at rolling with the punches and I've been
through a lot, but I feel like it makes me stronger,
and not making a big deal about things that aren't
a big deal, like if you miss emotion or one
little thing, like it's not the end of the game.
And I've been coached that way and I've been thankful
to be coached that way, and I've gotten coached that
way here. Just focusing on everything and trying to do
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everything right, and you're never gonna be perfect. I think
that's the biggest thing with me is I'm a perfectionist,
and so a lot of these guys on this team
and in the NFL, so really just playing functional and
like I said in last week, just throw it, run it,
or hand it off. That's pretty much that simple.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Is there any different in knowing you're gonna start like
last week as opposed to this week while.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I might start, Yeah, yeah, I mean like I said,
I mean, as a backup, you know you're not playing
the first nap and as a starter you are, so
you got to be ready for both. And at the
end of the day, all the externals don't really matter.
You just have to focus on the game plan and
getting everything tidied up by Sunday. And that's what I'm doing,
just like a normal week for me, and following my
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schedule and being ready to play if my number is called.
Speaker 12 (23:00):
Number one thing that jumps out about Arizona's schemer personnel.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yeah, played against him a few years ago. It's a
new scheme and some similar players, but they do a
great job. I'm disguising coverage and got a lot of
good players on the back end, and obviously their defensive
line is explosive. Been very impressed with them on film
this year and obviously last year too, So they got playmakers.
They try to confuse the quarterback and they do a good.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Job of that.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Seem like I question, but the guys in the locker
rold have mentioned a few times how funny you are
and how you know popular your personality is within the
locker room. Just wondering off the field that kind of
helped to build chemistry that kind of is folded over
onto the field.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean I'm always just trying
to be myself and at the end of the day,
like it's it's your friends, it's your brothers that you're
playing with out there, and the closer that you can
be off the field is the closer you're gonna be
on the field. So try to be the same guy
every day and have fun with it and go out
there and let it fly. I think everyone knows that
about me, and I really appreciate the guys on this
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team for having my back, and I got to continue
to earn that every day. Like just because it's one week,
it doesn't matter. You got to do it again and
show him that you can do it consistently.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Runner in the AFC East. Did you ever see Bryce
Huff coming off the edge? I got he did against.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
The same Yeah one time, I remember, but I heard
it was like some record or something, and he's got
a great get off, and like he's so quiet, so
you never hear him coming. He just he just sends it.
And I remember playing against him and we were always
worried about like the other guy on the other side.
I'm like, no, we got to worry about this guy.
So he's done a great job and a great locker
room guy, just quiet, does his job and really love
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playing with him.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Moment you.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, I did get sacked. I'm pretty sure they actually
I think they call the roughing the passer, but it
was like it was not rough in the passer.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I talked to week. We talked to Hikos cop shitting
and I asked him what the conversations were like between
you in him, and he's just said, you know, his
day to day how is he feeling? So how are
you feeling?
Speaker 13 (25:05):
Yeah, I mean exactly that. It's it's been a day
to day thing. This week and I feel like I'm
happy with the progress that I've been making with my
with my foot in tow and so more than anything,
it's it's just gonna be a day to day thing.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
On how I feel. Nothing really more to that.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
So was it indeed the play you kind of scrambled
out to the left and got got tackless.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You're going towards the sideline that that you heard it?
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Like, how did you when? When did you start feeling it?
And how much worse did it get into the game?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Wrong?
Speaker 13 (25:31):
Yeah, I mean I think it was just accumulation of
certain plays and different different moments in the game and stuff. So,
you know, I think I finished the game and it
was more so like the adrenaline cool down, and you know,
I was like, all right, something's wrong with with my
toe here. And and obviously you go in you get
an MRI and and you get a diagnosis and and
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all that.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
So I didn't really know until after.
Speaker 13 (25:56):
But you know, obviously you go throughout a game and
you get hit and go through certain things. But my
mindset's always been like, you know, I can play, and
you got to really take me off the field for
something serious, But if I can walk and jog and
throw football then I'm good to go. So like that
was more so in my mindset. And like I said,
I didn't feel until after.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
So could you let them know during the game that
that there was at least something that was bothering you
with someone?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (26:21):
You would you play this weekend or do used to
lead a wait and.
Speaker 13 (26:23):
See how it feels and definitely just got to got
to see, you know, come game time how I feel.
It's not obviously I want to play every game, dude,
Like I want to be out there. We only get
seventeen regular season games and and every every game matters,
especially the divisional you know, going against Cardinals. So if
you ask me, I'd I'd love to. But I mean,
I'm trying to be smart with my body here and
and uh, but you never know.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
We'll see when game comes.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Ever dealt with a tow injury and if not, do
you have like more appreciation for the importance of a
big toe.
Speaker 13 (26:54):
Yeah, I've never dealt with a toe injury. But yeah,
it's crazy just talking to like receivers and skill position
guys that you know, you hear them go through a
toe injury or whatnot, and then they go no, dude,
it's one of one of the most painful things regarding
because you you use your toe use your feet, uh,
you know, and every little movement and stuff, and you
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got to be explosive and go in and out of
cuts and and uh so yeah, I definitely have a
new perspective and an appreciation for, you know, making sure
that your toes are healthy and and it's everything.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
So your shoulder, is that still an issue or is
it at this point.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Not an issue?
Speaker 9 (27:33):
That's that's good.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, obviously affects your mobility. How does it affect your
bleed to throw football?
Speaker 13 (27:39):
Yeah, I mean obviously it's uh, you know what dropping back.
Speaker 9 (27:43):
You know, I went back and.
Speaker 13 (27:44):
Watched film and just saw, you know, how explosive you
really need to be at quarterback. You don't really think
about it, but getting back from the line of scrimmage
and your drop your handoffs, carrying out a fake uh
bootlegs unit and scrambling like you Obviously you need your
toes to be able to go in and out of
those cuts and uh, it's something that you can't really mask.
You know, you got to be all in and healthy
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to be able to play the position.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
To quarterback.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
So now I realize that you have to wear like.
Speaker 12 (28:11):
A steel plate under the toe brock or have the
footwear adjustin. Then my other question is, are you pretty
glad you escaped what Joe Burrow's got?
Speaker 13 (28:21):
Yeah, I mean I think the orthotics and cleat footwear
and stuff. You know, we're going through that right now.
But yeah, there's been guys that where you know, those
the steel foundation that can help out with your toes
and whatnot. But uh, yeah, there's that, And then obviously, yeah,
what happened to Joe socks man, and so unfortunate you
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know that I don't have to have surgery, but you know,
it's I don't really know what else to say, man,
It's just it's just unfortunate.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
When you're watching the game, are you going through the
reps that Max going through mentally emotionally?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Like, are you how are you approaching.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
That during the game or practice the game?
Speaker 8 (28:59):
Uh?
Speaker 13 (29:00):
Yeah, obviously I'm into in every single play call. And
you know last week it was I'm on the sideline, Yes,
but how can I help my team, you know, and
be a guy there for Mac helping him with you know,
what he saw on the field when he comes off
the sideline or talking to other players about the play
and stuff. So it's just like handling all that, but
obviously being in tune and and and seeing what he's
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trying to what he's seeing out in the field. It's
tougher when you're on the sideline, but I understand, like
his shoes and and you know him going through reads
and trying to handle the emotions of a game. It's
it's not easy, and so obviously I want to be
there for him and and my whole team as a whole.
Speaker 9 (29:38):
Thanks guys, I appreciate it.
Carl chum Lynch said this morning at Cambor that he
thinks that your Jets head coaching experience made you a
better has made you a better defensive coordinator. Do you
agree and what did you take away from that Jets experience.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I think anytime you get years under your belt at
just coaching football or doing anything any any any craft,
I feel like if you're paying attention to your weaknesses,
you'll find a way to get better. So I don't know,
I guess it's question more for him.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Paying attention to mistakes and you're getting better When you
look at what the defense has been able to do
over the first two weeks, what are some mistakes that
were made maybe in the Saints game, because Fred is
kind of vocal about there's still mistakes. There are still
mistakes that you saw on the Saints game that you
just feel like you've got to do away with going
into this one against Kyler.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Murray and the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, as the year goes on and more tape is
being put on, there's there's there's things that offenses will
look for with regards to us creating, you know, vacating
different parts of our our zones and offenses are always
chasing space, and so we just got to be very
cognizant of the space that we're allowing to get created.
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And so from a from a precision standpoint, it could
be a heck of a lot better. It was awesome
that we closed the game with the last two drives,
but and we had a really good kind of middle
of it, you know, a few good series in there
where we played good ball. But you know, in a
couple of those touchdown drives, we just weren't as clean
as we needed to be. The last last touchdown drive
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was unfortunate with a couple of those penalties, but overall
felt like we could have played a heck of a
lot cleaner, you know, especially from a technique and fundamental standpoint.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You Winters had that hit out of bounds penalty. You're
always talking about, you know, playing with a certain amount
of vilements and he seems to be sort of right
at that line. How do you know, what's your coaching
point to somebody who's right at that line but then
has a as a penalty like that.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, no, he's uh, They're gonna call that one hundred
percent of the time. I'll be curious to see if
the league recognized it, he didn't, he wouldn't touch in
the wit quite yet. And those quarterbacks are starting to
show a tendency of turning it upfield and lowering shoulders too,
So there's a there's a little bit of a conflict
for these defensive players when it gets to the sideline
with the quarterback. But you know, he's just he They're
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the ones out there shooting bullets. You know they've they've
also got to protect themselves, but also be smart in
those situations when it looks obvious that the quarterback is
running out of bounds, just let it go and just
know the history of the quarterback. If he's a type
of quarterback that's going to try to turn it upfield
and try to get an extra couple of yards, and go, go,
do what you need to do. But uh, I hope
(02:45):
I'm answering your question. But but at the same time,
it's it is tough because of what these running quarterbacks
are starting to do on those sidelines.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Talking about the Patrick Mahomes play.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's just throughout the league, all of them shoot. I
think Patrick a couple of years ago tiptotal the line
when people thought he was gonna go out of bound.
So there's and then you know, just my experience with
Josh Allen and all those guys are these quarterbacks are big,
they're powerful, they're fast, they're elusive, and they're using that
rule to their advantage.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
You guys, you have one of those guys this week,
do you guys have to be a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Conscious of that. Yeah, he's uh but for sure. You
know he's a late slider. You know he's uh but
but he he is. He is fast, he's elusive, he's
a jitterbug, and he's and he's also a passer first.
You know, he's not just looking to run, he's looking
to buy some time and be able to put the
ball in the air. But he's as challenging as it gets.
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Give it up a couple long catches down the field.
The first two games, do you see it from him?
In particular, Ronaldo's competing his butt off. You know, the
the double move was unfortunate, and with every single one
of them he can he's he's learning something. You know,
his leverage could have been a a lot better at
the from an alignment standpoint on that first on the
one against the Saints and ended the route at the
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line of scrimmage. But uh, Renard, people got to remember
he's just a second year kid, the second year young man,
and uh and he's learning and getting better every single week.
Loved his energy this week. He always bounces back. I
don't think I don't feel like it faces him with
the way he communicates. Uh, he lines up, he goes back,
He competes, and it's the one thing you want to
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see is that if a guy gets beat, he's still
up there and pressed and ready to go play and
compete again. And he's not just bailing trying to stay
on top. So Ronaldo said, is in a good spot,
He's getting better and he'll continue to compete. Marvin Harrison
Junior this kind of challenges he presented a big challenge.
You know, Marvin's a big, strong, powerful receiver. You know,
he's he's got great hands, He's he's a total package.
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And so with all our corners, whether he's the like
he real lies in the slot. So it's gonna be
a challenge for Upton. But but he definitely presents a challenge.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
With with Huff when Price Hoff when when you first
saw him young obviously was established at the time, did
I guess how long did it take for you to
realize he had a very unique, elite specific quality as
far as.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
His gig tell a moment when we got to the Jets.
So so he was a rookie the year prior, so
on twenty one, you know, he and he was playing linebacker,
and but it was kind of you know those it
was a three four scheme, so it was a little
bit different than than what we do to give you background.
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I want to say we told him that if he
was gonna make it, it was gonna be as a d end.
And I want to say he put on almost twenty
five pounds, was just straight muscle, like his his weight
room stuff, his lower half strength and all that stuff
is ridiculous. And in that offseason so he got up
to I mean, he just just packed on pounds. And
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and I was joking with him during the preseason this year,
you know, and he when he wasn't dressed in the
fourth quarter, I was like, man, remember in twenty three,
you were still you were still the fourth fourth quarter
the end, you know, he was, So it wasn't we
knew what we had. But we also drafted a couple
of first rounders and Uh, you know in twenty three
he really took off and uh and own that role
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and ended up with the double digit sacks. But you know,
which is kudos to him. He never got down on himself.
He never got discouraged with people who were being placed
in front of him. He just kept plugging. And uh,
he's gotten better and better and he's and he's even
better now.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
As far as that. You know, he's talked about like
he got paid by the Eagles, but for a lot
of his career, he really hasn't felt the love you mentioned.
Drafteduple first round guys. He thought he might get traded
while he's having a ten sax season when you obviously
you traded for him for a reason. But was there
a concis like, hey, like make an effort to say, hey,
we we love you here.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know, we're embracing you.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
He knows, he knows I begged him not to go
to Philly the first time. So but money talks. But no,
he's Uh. I like to think that he feels appreciated
out here, you know, even if you wouldn't appreciate it.
Back out on the East Coast and two different locations.
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You know, he's definitely appreciated here. And I've said it before,
you know, there's I've always said that those guys, guys
like bos, the Michael Parsons of the world, all those
great edge rushers, I put huff up there with all
of them. I mean, the guy produces at a very
high level. They're like closures of baseball. You know, You've
got a bunch of guys standing in the outfield. In
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the infield is watching this pitcher pitch. You know, he
just and he lights it up. But he's a special
he has a special talent and and a talent that's
very very, very very precious in this league.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
In your first snit here with Warner, I remember a
few times you kind of had that it was a
young player. You had that push and pull like how
much can I put on his plate?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
How much can I not?
Speaker 6 (07:52):
When you came back here this time, like did you
have conversations with him, like how do you kind of
go about like what you feel comfortable giving him now
that he's so further advanced.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well, the communication is constant, you know. I you know,
just just through the first couple of weeks of game
planning and just pulling them in and just having side
conversations and where we're as a defense. What's he like,
what he doesn't like, what he thinks we can execute,
you know, Just so it's just constant dialo. He's so,
he's so much further advanced. He's Uh, he's turned into
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a coach on the field.
Speaker 8 (08:24):
I'll make a quantum leap in terms of performance this week.
Or was he just more spectacular?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's a fair question. There there's gonna be ups and downs.
I thought last week was fantastic for him. He was
he on on rundowns. He said, edges knocked people back. Uh,
created the mismatch that we need at tight end versus
tight end. And on third down he did a really
good job collapsed in the pocket and really really giving
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those edge guys a chance to rush a pastor when
you've got pocket push the way you do that, that's
where that speed to life, where that quarterback just can't
step up. He's got to say, hit his back foot
and stay there if he feels that pressure. And I
felt like mikel was doing that all game. Same thing
with your Tour and the rest of them. But uh,
you know they're they're like I said, there's gonna be
roller coasters. There's some games would be great, some games won't.
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But I even in the in the games that don't
pop off the tape, he's still gonna find ways to
get better and eventually it's just gonna be consistent dominance.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Is there anything Marky Siegal could have been differently or
better on that touchdown catches?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You want to? Yeah, Uh, credit to them, and it's
I thought, uh, Spencer Ratler put that ball in a
perfect spot. Obviously it's a big, big tight end, you know,
it's I looked that from a coverage standpoint. That's tip
your cap to them. Obviously you can go chest to
chest and try to get in there, but uh, I
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wish I put us in a better coverage. All right,
thanks guys, All right, how's it going?
Speaker 9 (10:23):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Goodness?
Speaker 6 (10:27):
What's your evaluation of Mac on something?
Speaker 10 (10:30):
I thought Mac played really well, you know, for someone
who hasn't played you know, competitive football, a real game
for I don't know how long it was, uh stepped
in you know, first quarter, it kind of settled, had
to settle undergroove a little bit with some of his
accuracy and some of his timing, But once he did,
I thought he played really good and he made plays
for us to win the game.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
So Hendrick Bourne, this who's you know, Route Tree, you know,
grow given that he now has a whole week here, Yeah, yeah,
what he am for sure.
Speaker 10 (11:01):
I mean, the more he's out there practicing, the more
he's getting comfortable with what we do, his opportunities are
going to go up. And you know he's he's a
sharp guy. He picks it up. So I think you
would just continue to see him be a part of
our offense.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
We got Connor Kolby here. What were kind of your
initial impressions and what kind of growth have you seen from.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Him from that?
Speaker 10 (11:21):
You know, initially just he's a real quiet rookie. He
just was here and working and kind of anonymous in
that way. And then over time, you know, you just
kind of see a guy out there who was very
consistent in camp. And when guys just show up consistently
every day and are doing things the right way, you
start to see, Hey, this guy can play. And I
think that that was kind of his path over the
course of camp. He played good in the preseason, and
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then he steps in for us in a big moment
and he played well. And so he's a guy who
just you know, do you notice him a lot? No,
but you notice how consistent he's been and how he's
doing the right thing. And so we're happy with his
progress and you know he's gonna we're gonna need to
keep playing good.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
The draft gurus or gurus or always right, but all
of Connor Colby's stuff said, boy, you know he's a
good run blocker, but not so you know the past
game he's needs a lot and we're kind of indicated
it was the opposite, is it you found that to be?
Speaker 10 (12:13):
Yeah, I think I think that's true. I think I
think we that stood out to us early in camp
was how how stout he was in past protection. Uh,
he didn't lose matchups, and so you know, our our
evaluation of him in the draft, I just we thought
a guy who had a really bright future. You know,
he was solid in all areas and so I mean
that's why we drafted him. So whatever the evails were,
whatever people said, you know, I think you know, we
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had a very good feeling for him, the kind of
person he was and how tough he was, and you know,
to say he surprised us, I mean he probably has
a little bit because of where we took him, But
I mean he's been doing what we hoped he would do.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So you think at Jones's uh play fake on the
on the bootleg to to Farrell kind of carried it
out pretty pretty solidly there on the handoff. Remind me
which one the touchdown naked boot we need?
Speaker 10 (13:01):
Oh yeah, that was That was great and that's how
we teach it. You know, he's really got to sell
that downhill gap scheme run. That was awesome and we
got the edge and looked at a good job of
selling the run and that was awesome playing. Luke did
a great job after the catch too, running a guy
over and scoring for us.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So that was a big time.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Christian Edricata yesterday he felt like, you guys are close
to breaking some big ones. What are you seeing in
terms of maybe not as much success as you'd like,
but in terms of how close you are to getting there?
Speaker 10 (13:26):
Yeah, I think the numbers, you know, aren't crazy, they're
not They're not going to vow you. But when you
really watch that tape, I think we're doing a good
job in the run game. You know, we're running the
ball efficiently. You know, we were doing what we kind
of want to do. And then there's been some opportunities
where we're a hair off for one reason or the other, right,
whether it's one block we don't finish, or you know,
just a back making a guy miss or making a
cut differently.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But we're close.
Speaker 10 (13:47):
But uh, you know, I've been I've been happy with
our run game and you know, we've had we haven't
had negative runs. We've had efficient runs, which is good.
And if we keep doing that, you know, and we
need to keep doing that. I think it's a matter
of time before we do pop some and we get
some of those explodes. Is But we've been good and
we got to keep getting better.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Though.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
So we've seen over the years rookies who get hurt
in training camp sort of fall behind and never really
are able to catch back up their rookie seasons. Is
Jordan Watkins in danger of that or has he kind
of shown of, I don't know, a sharpness you know
since the spring that will allow him to kind of
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get back up to speed quickly.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
For sure.
Speaker 10 (14:27):
You know, it's tough. It's tough when you miss time
for anybody, and rookies especially because it's just going through
the rigors of the season. When you miss time in
training camp, it is a setback. So he's doing everything
he can do. You know, he's he's a sharp guy.
He's working, you know, and we hope he stays on
that trajectory and he gets his opportunity. But the truth is,
it's hard when you have setbacks and you miss time.
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So you know, you kind of see what guys are
made of and they overcome it and keep pushing through it.
Speaker 11 (14:53):
So with Robinson out, Kittle and ir and then I
you know, return his near how confident are you once
those guys come back that this offense can kind of
fire on all cylinders.
Speaker 10 (15:07):
I mean, I'm confident now. I mean I'm confident with
the guys we have out there. Obviously you name a
lot of names that aren't out there. But I love
the way our guys are working as a group. I
love the kind of football we're playing. And as long
as we have that mindset, I think whoever's out there,
we're going to continue to have hopefully have some success
on offense. You know, we haven't turned the ball over
a lot. We've been we've played penalty free, we've been efficient.
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We got to keep doing those things, and so yeah,
you hope to add players who who we know are
explosive players who can make great plays for us, and
you hope that we continue that trend. So I think
we got to keep playing good football, and when those
guys come back, it's I think it's only going to
be a bonus.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And it has a reputation of being a pretty good
defensive coach. What does his defense look like this year
on film?
Speaker 10 (15:47):
Yeah, I mean schematically, there are always a challenge. You know,
they were one of the more unique schemes in the NFL,
and they have really good players. You know, starts with
Buddha and I have so much respect for that guy.
I think he's one of the better defensive players in
this league. And he just he's all over the foot,
all over the field. They've added some guys up front,
you know, and they and they've gotten better up front
in my opinion, and so that's you know, becoming one
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of the strengths of their defense. So when you add
the challenges of the scheme, the talent in the back end,
and then then getting better up front and their pass rush, uh,
they're they're a real big challenge for us. So that's
what we're working on, and we'll be up for it,
but it's it's gonna be a tough game.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Talk about Kyle's play calling and how elite is play
calling is, and he's curious. I mean, you know, almost
anybody can call a play, but what goes into teaching
guys to execute the play that you call. What's the
especially with the reduced amount of practice time in recent years.
Why is Kyle good at that?
Speaker 10 (16:42):
Yeah, he's a Kyle is a great teacher. You know,
he can he can get his vision, he can get
his guys to understand his vision. And it's about communication
and how you communicate things to people. So it starts
with preparation and just the way you prepare guys, the
way you teach, whether it's through installs or through films.
He's exceptional with those things. And then when it comes
to game day, it's play. It's preparation. You know, it's
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putting yourself through scenarios, putting yourself in situations where Okay,
when this happens, I want to have this call, and
that happens, I want to have this call. Uh, and
sort of and also sort of knowing what your players
are comfortable with you know, when you get to Sunday,
what do I feel like these guys are ready to
execute in this situation. And Kyle puts himself through all
those situations and he's taught me a lot about how
to do that as well, how to be ready for
those moments. So, you know, I just think when you combine,
(17:26):
you know, the teaching and the way we teach, he
teaches our offense, and the way he prepares to call
the game, I think that's where you get, you know,
good play calling.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And it pointed out the channion's really good in game
at making switches on the fly. You've worked with other coaches,
I'm sure how does he compare?
Speaker 10 (17:44):
I mean, yeah, I think all coaches that's part of coaching.
You have to make adjustments. And Kyle has a great eye.
And when we're looking through the pictures and we're we're
kind of looking at how the defense is reacting, you know,
Kyle's great at communicating what he's seeing and then we
talk and we say, hey, what can we do to
kind of, you know, take advantage of this look what
they're doing, And like, yeah, like you said, Kyle just
has a great eye for those things and he sees them,
(18:05):
and we communicate on the sideline and we try to
get it done if we need to make adjustments. All right, guys,
appreciate you have a good one.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
We hooping on Sunday, hopefully the film.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
What kind of impression did you take from your.
Speaker 12 (18:28):
Start in New Orleans?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah, I definitely watched it and learned from it and
took all the coaching points and then have worked hard
in practice to fix the things I hate saying fix,
but learn from the things I didn't do as well
and just get better at them. And I think the
guys have done that, and we've definitely moved on from
that game. Just really focus on the Cardinals and stacking
another good performance and Karen some good momentum in this week.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Look at those things.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
What were some of those things where you said, Okay,
I could be better at this.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Or better at that.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Really just mindset stuff and staying in the moment. And
like I said, starting the game faster is important to me,
and that just goes down to doing your job really
well and sticking to your rules, your your reads, all
those things. So working on that in practice and still
got a lot to put in here and get better.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
At back Why don't you like the word fix?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I feel like it sometimes has like a negative connotation.
I think, like you're just trying to grow and learn
and do things better. So that's that's what I think
it is. I don't think anything's broken, and when you
hear fixed, that's what you think, right. But in football,
every week it's a new week, and the NFL, they
don't care if you won last week or lost. It's
a fresh slate, fresh canvas, and you got to go
out there and paint a good picture.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Is that part of like you kind of have to
train your mind as far as positive thinking. I mean
that's a very subtle thing. But is that something that
you've learned throughout for sure?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah? I mean what you think usually comes to life.
So you got to be positive and also critical at
the same time. And you know, you never do everything right,
so you got to figure out what you didn't do
right and learn from it.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
It was it was a few times that we saw party,
you know, talking with you on the sideline, cheering for you,
excited for you the plays you were making out there,
just interested. Now that you've reflected on that game and
now you guys are look at two week three. Have
you and Brock talked, had any conversations anything that's kind
of helped you to go into this game a little
bit more settled than the last.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, Brock's doing a great job preparing and really just
bouncing off ideas between each other, and like we do
every week, we're going to go in each day and
attack it and there's a lot of information to absorb.
And whether he's playing round playing it doesn't matter. We're
still working together and just trying to get to Sunday
to where we feel comfortable and the coaches feel comfortable
in the plan and we feel comfortable in the plan.
(20:49):
So yeah, we do a great job communicating and also
having fun and just keeping it loosen there. And that's
what it's all about. Your working, but you're also that's
your job, but you're really just friends, you know, also
just hanging out.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
How about you be paying attention to some of the
numbers and things like that. Numbers showed the last year
you struggled a bit against zone coverage. The other day
you had a lot of success against it. Anything that
you can point to that maybe helped that. Maybe some
things schematically you're doing here that is helping that regard.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, just different systems, I guess. And obviously the system
is very quarterback driven and playing on time and then
also not playing on time, like it's not just always
perfectly on time. And zone defense is about depth and spacing,
so guys just have to get in the right spots
and it's the quarterback's job to deliver the ball. And
then man coverage is different and you can see either
one sometimes you know, sometimes you don't, but you have
(21:39):
to react and play the position how you would normally.
And it doesn't really matter if it's a Marizona. You
just gotta follow your rules and go where the ball
takes you.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
You got down on yourself too much when things went
wrong early in your career.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I don't know, doubt on myself. I just really like
got better at rolling with the punches and I've been
through a lot, but I feel like it makes me stronger,
and not making a big deal about things that aren't
a big deal, like if you miss emotion or one
little thing, like it's not the end of the game.
And I've been coached that way and I've been thankful
to be coached that way, and I've gotten coached that
way here. Just focusing on everything and trying to do
(22:15):
everything right, and you're never gonna be perfect. I think
that's the biggest thing with me is I'm a perfectionist,
and so a lot of these guys on this team
and in the NFL, so really just playing functional and
like I said in last week, just throw it, run it,
or hand it off. That's pretty much that simple.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Is there any different in knowing you're gonna start like
last week as opposed to this week while.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I might start, Yeah, yeah, I mean like I said,
I mean, as a backup, you know you're not playing
the first nap and as a starter you are, so
you got to be ready for both. And at the
end of the day, all the externals don't really matter.
You just have to focus on the game plan and
getting everything tidied up by Sunday. And that's what I'm doing,
just like a normal week for me, and following my
(22:56):
schedule and being ready to play if my number is called.
Speaker 12 (23:00):
Number one thing that jumps out about Arizona's schemer personnel.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yeah, played against him a few years ago. It's a
new scheme and some similar players, but they do a
great job. I'm disguising coverage and got a lot of
good players on the back end, and obviously their defensive
line is explosive. Been very impressed with them on film
this year and obviously last year too, So they got playmakers.
They try to confuse the quarterback and they do a good.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Job of that.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Seem like I question, but the guys in the locker
rold have mentioned a few times how funny you are
and how you know popular your personality is within the
locker room. Just wondering off the field that kind of
helped to build chemistry that kind of is folded over
onto the field.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean I'm always just trying
to be myself and at the end of the day,
like it's it's your friends, it's your brothers that you're
playing with out there, and the closer that you can
be off the field is the closer you're gonna be
on the field. So try to be the same guy
every day and have fun with it and go out
there and let it fly. I think everyone knows that
about me, and I really appreciate the guys on this
(24:04):
team for having my back, and I got to continue
to earn that every day. Like just because it's one week,
it doesn't matter. You got to do it again and
show him that you can do it consistently.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Runner in the AFC East. Did you ever see Bryce
Huff coming off the edge? I got he did against.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
The same Yeah one time, I remember, but I heard
it was like some record or something, and he's got
a great get off, and like he's so quiet, so
you never hear him coming. He just he just sends it.
And I remember playing against him and we were always
worried about like the other guy on the other side.
I'm like, no, we got to worry about this guy.
So he's done a great job and a great locker
room guy, just quiet, does his job and really love
(24:42):
playing with him.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Moment you.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, I did get sacked. I'm pretty sure they actually
I think they call the roughing the passer, but it
was like it was not rough in the passer.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I talked to week. We talked to Hikos cop shitting
and I asked him what the conversations were like between
you in him, and he's just said, you know, his
day to day how is he feeling? So how are
you feeling?
Speaker 13 (25:05):
Yeah, I mean exactly that. It's it's been a day
to day thing. This week and I feel like I'm
happy with the progress that I've been making with my
with my foot in tow and so more than anything,
it's it's just gonna be a day to day thing.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
On how I feel. Nothing really more to that.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
So was it indeed the play you kind of scrambled
out to the left and got got tackless.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You're going towards the sideline that that you heard it?
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Like, how did you when? When did you start feeling it?
And how much worse did it get into the game?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Wrong?
Speaker 13 (25:31):
Yeah, I mean I think it was just accumulation of
certain plays and different different moments in the game and stuff. So,
you know, I think I finished the game and it
was more so like the adrenaline cool down, and you know,
I was like, all right, something's wrong with with my
toe here. And and obviously you go in you get
an MRI and and you get a diagnosis and and
(25:54):
all that.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
So I didn't really know until after.
Speaker 13 (25:56):
But you know, obviously you go throughout a game and
you get hit and go through certain things. But my
mindset's always been like, you know, I can play, and
you got to really take me off the field for
something serious, But if I can walk and jog and
throw football then I'm good to go. So like that
was more so in my mindset. And like I said,
I didn't feel until after.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
So could you let them know during the game that
that there was at least something that was bothering you
with someone?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (26:21):
You would you play this weekend or do used to
lead a wait and.
Speaker 13 (26:23):
See how it feels and definitely just got to got
to see, you know, come game time how I feel.
It's not obviously I want to play every game, dude,
Like I want to be out there. We only get
seventeen regular season games and and every every game matters,
especially the divisional you know, going against Cardinals. So if
you ask me, I'd I'd love to. But I mean,
I'm trying to be smart with my body here and
and uh, but you never know.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
We'll see when game comes.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Ever dealt with a tow injury and if not, do
you have like more appreciation for the importance of a
big toe.
Speaker 13 (26:54):
Yeah, I've never dealt with a toe injury. But yeah,
it's crazy just talking to like receivers and skill position
guys that you know, you hear them go through a
toe injury or whatnot, and then they go no, dude,
it's one of one of the most painful things regarding
because you you use your toe use your feet, uh,
you know, and every little movement and stuff, and you
(27:16):
got to be explosive and go in and out of
cuts and and uh so yeah, I definitely have a
new perspective and an appreciation for, you know, making sure
that your toes are healthy and and it's everything.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
So your shoulder, is that still an issue or is
it at this point.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Not an issue?
Speaker 9 (27:33):
That's that's good.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, obviously affects your mobility. How does it affect your
bleed to throw football?
Speaker 13 (27:39):
Yeah, I mean obviously it's uh, you know what dropping back.
Speaker 9 (27:43):
You know, I went back and.
Speaker 13 (27:44):
Watched film and just saw, you know, how explosive you
really need to be at quarterback. You don't really think
about it, but getting back from the line of scrimmage
and your drop your handoffs, carrying out a fake uh
bootlegs unit and scrambling like you Obviously you need your
toes to be able to go in and out of
those cuts and uh, it's something that you can't really mask.
You know, you got to be all in and healthy
(28:05):
to be able to play the position.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
To quarterback.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
So now I realize that you have to wear like.
Speaker 12 (28:11):
A steel plate under the toe brock or have the
footwear adjustin. Then my other question is, are you pretty
glad you escaped what Joe Burrow's got?
Speaker 13 (28:21):
Yeah, I mean I think the orthotics and cleat footwear
and stuff. You know, we're going through that right now.
But yeah, there's been guys that where you know, those
the steel foundation that can help out with your toes
and whatnot. But uh, yeah, there's that, And then obviously, yeah,
what happened to Joe socks man, and so unfortunate you
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know that I don't have to have surgery, but you know,
it's I don't really know what else to say, man,
It's just it's just unfortunate.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
When you're watching the game, are you going through the
reps that Max going through mentally emotionally?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Like, are you how are you approaching.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
That during the game or practice the game?
Speaker 8 (28:59):
Uh?
Speaker 13 (29:00):
Yeah, obviously I'm into in every single play call. And
you know last week it was I'm on the sideline, Yes,
but how can I help my team, you know, and
be a guy there for Mac helping him with you know,
what he saw on the field when he comes off
the sideline or talking to other players about the play
and stuff. So it's just like handling all that, but
obviously being in tune and and and seeing what he's
(29:21):
trying to what he's seeing out in the field. It's
tougher when you're on the sideline, but I understand, like
his shoes and and you know him going through reads
and trying to handle the emotions of a game. It's
it's not easy, and so obviously I want to be
there for him and and my whole team as a whole.
Speaker 9 (29:38):
Thanks guys, I appreciate it.
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