July 8, 2025 • 29 mins
Social media has infiltrated our lives, but it wasn’t always that way. Paul Calvisi, Darren Urban and Dani Sureck go round robin to discuss, from the time the Cardinals moved to Arizona in 1988 to the emergence of social media around 2010, what non-football events, what non-sports events, and what Cardinals events in that time period would have been interesting to see play out on social media in real time. The Cardinals moments are all memorable anyway, but some of them could’ve been bonkers at the time.
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Speaker 4 (01:15):
To be fair, this was social media that never actually happened.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Even better, so more social media it's.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
It's it's pretend, it's pretend.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's wishing there was more social media, Danny Sirek, Is
that correct in a sense?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Kind of?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I mean we're talking about in the past.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Okay, So we're framing sports and Cardinals history and some
other history, okay, in the context of what if if
only there was social media when this happened, and then
we're going to fill in the blank and then speculate accordingly.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
The range we discussed of was like nineteen eighty eight
to two thousand and nine range things that happened that
social media was either not around for or not nearly
as big and popular as it is now. And what
events do we think could have been amplified in one
way or another if social media had been around.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
And we picked nineteen eighty eight because that's when the
Cardinals moved to Arizona, so that seemed like a good
start date. We're not going to start talking about, hey,
what if social media had been around in nineteen forty
seven when the Cardinals won the championship Charlie Trippy.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We're not how many clicks with Charlie tripping not.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Doing that, so like you and it's a little bit
of a I mean, we asked Danny to really stretch
here because she wasn't around for part of that timeframe.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
My older sister wasn't around for part of that timeframe.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Point well taken.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
All right, he's done of a biscuit.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
All right, here we go, Miss eighteen to thirty four demo.
Why don't you bad lead off? Since this is your
concept anyway, We'll start with a Cardinals event that that
we wish or you know, would have been featured in
social media.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
What if I actually learned this from a Cardinal's folktales
that we put out within the last couple of years.
I'm telling you to watch them to September seventh, nineteen
ninety seven. Do you know where I'm going with this, Paul?
I know you still probably haven't started prepping for wise Guy.
So that's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
September seven, ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, he was actually in that folk tale is quite
a bit.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Actually I covered this game. It was Jake Plumber and Company,
and it was the season opener and helped me out
from there.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Okay, Cardinals beat the Cowboys twenty five, twenty two Sun
Devil Stadium after thirteen consecutive losses to the Cowboys. But
what I wish social media would have been around for
at that time would have been when the fans took
down the goalposts and took it to Millave. Because we
don't see this often, and when we see it now,
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it's it's mostly in college football. It is incredible. Now,
if you're dry, you're walking in some sense, I had
imagine it's absolutely horrible. How are you supposed to get
around when you've got thousands of people surrounding you and
these goalposts that are social media, though, it is riveting
when you're seeing all the different angles and people are
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putting the photos, they're juxtaposing it on other things, and
people get really creative. That to me is something so
fun that even if you want to be a bit
of like a fun sucker, you can still understand the
fun behind tearing down goalposts after a huge win for
your team, storming the field and then taking them out
to the city.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I mean, that's the thing is if social media had
been around, you're assuming that phone camera phones will will
have been out there, and you know that everybody would
have been filming.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
That whole family would have been live streaming down on
the way.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
We would have had video all the way down Mill Avenue,
and that's just that would be crazy. Like again, this
is one of the things we liked about this exercises.
It wasn't necessarily a whole game, but that that small
window of like the goalpost coming down and going down
the street, that would have been crazy. I didn't even think.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I'm gonna assume neither of you participated in that.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
No, that was before my Cardinals time, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I wish I was down in that field working at
Channel CINCO and boom, We're on the field and it's
chaos and they win and we're interviewing players. Back in
the day, you could do that. You could actually bum
rush guy, especially after a win. And then all of
a sudden, wait a minute, head on a swivel. There
goes the goalpost out the far end of the stadium.
And we had two photographers and one tried to chase
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it down and I'm trying to remember how much video
they got. They did get a little bit of video
of it going down Mill Avenue and then ultimately ended
up in the dry riverbed in the Salt River, and
so it was either Ricky Bogran or Jim Escobido. Shout
out to one of you, two guys, because somebody chased
that down back in the day. That's fantastic with a
big beta cam on their shoulders. It was weighing about
fifty pounds.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
These days, Paul would have just put in his speed,
his safety speed and chased it down with his own phone.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Okay, that begs for a segue, Darren, what do you
have here?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So I happened to be part of this. Now, when
it first happened, it probably wouldn't have been on social media,
but the conversation around it absolutely would have been. Which
is the day that Dave McGinnis told myself and Kent
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Summers and Mike Dreki pulled us into a back room
and said Pat Tillman isn't going to resign here because
he's joining the army, And I think to myself, And
then there was obviously multiple times where we could talk
about Pat Tillman's story being ended up on social media,
but I'm gonna choose this one, which was the positive
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one where he decided to join the military. But holy cat,
like when we were hearing this. I unfortunately worked for
a newspaper at the time that was not in the Internet.
It didn't have a website, so I literally couldn't get
the news out there until the next morning. Wow, the
Republic was in the baby stages of a website and
Mike Director could go right on the radio, so I
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was a little behind. But still it was a huge story.
And I just keep thinking to myself, as soon as
we're done racing to our twitters and like being able
to say this, and who knows, because if social media
had been a thing, maybe Dave McGinnis isn't pulling us in.
It's the Arizona Cardinal's official account announcing that he's going
in there, so it might have played out differently. But
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I just imagine the reaction on so many different levels
of what people would be saying about a NFL football
player turning down a three year contract for significant money
at the time to join the Army.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, you can go on YouTube and find Tom Broke on,
Peter Jennings and all the news anchors of the day.
It led the Network News. It was a certified mind
blow that Pat Tillman was going to join the Army
and pursue a spot on the Rangers.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Dave McGinnis told us, And the next words out of
his after he said he's joined the army was there
and you can close your mouth now because my jaw
literally dropped. My mouth was open.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Wow. Well, speaking to Tillman, I will go. Mine would
be the ninety eight playoff win at Dallas.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Just the before and after the Cardinals leaving Sky Harbor
and there's five hundred fans out there, the Cardinals returning
to Sky Harbor in the middle of the night, five
thousand fans waiting for the team playing Redbird won to land.
The video we could have obtained of all the Cowboys
fans filing out of the stadium, out of Texas Stadium
late in the fourth quarter, and then all the Bird
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gang behind the Cardinals bench as if they had planned
the flag and taken over the stadium.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And what you're talking about is multi leveled, because if
there were social media, we certainly know that half the
conversation would have been beating down the Cowboys for losing
to the lowly Cardinals in the playoffs. And Troy Aikman
and Dion Sanders and etc. Like what happened there? How
did you let that happen? Yep?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I mean there would have been, for example, locker room
video of a beaming mister b with the game ball
because Vince Tobin awarded him the game ball for the
cardinals first playoff win in nearly a half century, and
just this smile on his face when the media was
allowed in and he was standing there and just looking,
you know, sort of like a proud parent. At the
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entire locker room there was a jubilation of young guys
like Jake Plummer who knew how to celebrate a win.
And then there was still the intensity on the face
of a Pat Tillman talking about that. I mean it
was his rookie year and he was already you know,
one of the heart beats of that team. Not only
a Tyron Matthew as a rookie, he was that kind
of guy. So yeah, that would have played real well
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on social media.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I'm sure, even just locker room footage postgame of speeches
and everything like that.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Again, I think what we're what we've all hit on
here is the social media component of It's not necessarily
something that happens directly on the field. That really resonates
with social media.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Right. How about a sports event, non football, non Cardinals
that you think would have played real well.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Ooh, I had some trouble deciding on one. Here I
am keeping us in the year nineteen ninety seven. We
are changing sports game five. It is tied to two,
the very famous Michael Jordan flu game, thirty eight points.
They beat Utah, solidified his clutchness. I can only imagine
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the photos that we have from that. I mean, if
you had seen all of that in real time, I
will say that is a good example though, of something
I love, which is when you go back and you
see video footage or photos and you look in the
stands and there's not a cell phone in sight because
people that have cell phone and so everybody, their undivided
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attention is on the moment and what is happening in
front of them. And I understand nowadays you want to
capture your own content, right, you want to say that
there's something just so different and so special about savoring
the moment, being present with the people near you and
whether or not you know them, and just enjoying that together.
And that is just a great example of all of that.
(11:23):
Would that be great for social media. Heck yeah, that
is something that came to mind, just the clutchness.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
And again when we're talking about levels, how much discussion
Jordan hater because you know, there would have been Jordan
haters because just like LEBRONI, there would.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Have been they would have had the outlet to hate.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
How many people were going to be talking about I'm
the one who spit in his pizza or it wasn't
really the flu.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
We don't need to talk about skip baylists around here, Dren.
You don't need to bring him up.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Okay, I like that idea.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
All right, what about yours? A sports EVN non cardinals.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I'm going to go with a somewhat obvious one that
hits local but definitely as national reach. Luis Gonzalez's two
thousand and one game winner. Sure, you're beating the Yankees,
so it's a national brand. It's the World Series Game seven,
so it's a national brand. Were a month out, well
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two months out by then, of nine to eleven. There
was so much emotion tied up into that World Series.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Giving up a couple of.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
First of all, that whole World Series would have lived
on social media in terms of virality, but but the
hit itself to win the game. Again, people would be
talking about, oh wait, the greatest relief pitcher in the
history of the game, choked or whatever, and Mad Yankees
fans and there's again, there's so much plays into that
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one moment that would work on the video and then
like there's tentacles to it to like all these other
social things that could have come out of that moment
that I think would have been fascinating. And again, that
was a moment, just like the flu game, like there's
enough out there that it still lives well enough, Like
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there's some things that you could talk about we've missed
socially because it would have been awesome to have people
filming it because there just isn't enough. The goal post
coming down that would have been cool to have on
social because there's not a lot there there. But like
these all the things, there's enough video out there that
you can piece it together now, but still to see
people reacting in the moment would have been cool.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I do think that's part of the reason why the
Last Dance during when did that come out twenty twenty
twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
One, during the pandemic, it was I think that's.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Why everybody was so hooked on it was because if
to a certain degree there is limited footage, you don't
have thousands and thousands of people who have their own
angles and can provide their own take. That's why everybody
was so drawn in, was because you were limited to
what you could see from what was going on back then.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Go with baseball for mine, and I don't even need
to look it up. October seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine, five
oh four PM, The A's and Giants World Series. The
earthquake game.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I thought about that one.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And yours truly was in the Bay Area. It was
in college. I was actually in a safe way and
I put Express into Express lane when the isle was
in came down and it was the jar Good isle.
Because I was I was cooking for my three roommates
in college. Don't tell no to KELVYC. I was buying
jarred sauce and I was gonna make pasta that night,
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and all of a sudden, down came the aisle and
I ran a four two forty straight out and uh everything,
lights went out, stuff crashing down, people screaming, and uh,
we knew it was bad. I had no idea how
bad it was, though, because there wasn't really no such
thing as ke There wasn't even the Internet at that point,
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was there. So you're relying I go back, I go
back to the our place dump and I turned on
the TV and it's Snow, next channel, Snow, next channel, Snow. Finally,
there's one channel that's on the air auxiliary lighting in
a newsroom and it's the CBS affiliate, and their chopper
was in the air for traffic, and so they actually
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had still had a link. And then that's when you
saw the iconic shot of the Bay Bridge and it's down,
and that's when you realize how bad it was. All
the phone service was down. It was epicenter about five
miles from my parents' house in Santa Cruz. Couldn't get
hold of them for three hours. No idea, no idea,
And so anyway, that's the one I'll go with. And
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without social media, the entire world basically was relying on
Al Michaels, who did a phenomenal job anchoring all the
news coverage from the TV booth, and one of his
competitive advantages was the fact he used to be the
Giants announcer, so he knew the Bay Area like the
back of his hand. Anyway, he ended up getting an
Emmy for that for live news coverage and we deserved it.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
That was amazing. And to have it tied around a
sporting event that crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Okay, so there we go. Now let's see nonsports as
an X category.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
You guys are not beating me here.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
If only social media existed.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
This is why we came up with the idea.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Just so you know the conception of this podcast episode.
I was in the back room and I was just
blabbing away to Darren and I said this like out
of nowhere, and he looks at me. He goes, oh,
that that's a great podcast episode idea. It is still
semi sports related nineteen ninety four, anything bigger than the
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two hour police chase with oj Simpson. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No, No, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I mean, and I don't. I don't bring this up
as it would be funny on social media. I'm not
saying this to be disrespectful of the families, right, I'm
not saying it in that sense, but just again, the
footage of if you're sitting in your car on the
highway and your live streaming or taking videos or whatever
that might be. I think the coverage would have been insane.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
The coverage was insane. He wouldn't have social.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Media, you know, like just a Heisman winner. Everyone would
have been out of their.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Minds just his notoriety. I mean he was he was
a national broadcaster. So was that viral without social media?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I think it was.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It really was.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
I think it was.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It might have been the really first legitimate viral video instance.
Without social media.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
What you would have had is just a lot more
commentary with what was already going on because all the
news stations were showing it anyways. But you would have
had everybody piling on. You would have had definitely some
absolutely inappropriate people piling on. But I think because we
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lived through it, obviously, I was on a date bowling
with my wife to be in Flagstaff, Arizona that night,
I I think that the I think the amount was
crazy anyways. And to think if social media was in it,
and what you're not including in there is when that
was going down, there was also an NBA Finals game
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going on at the same time. That's the other thing
that social really would have like run with sure, yep.
So that's that's always a good one, you know. Unfortunately
some of these moments are not the best. And I
like how you picked the that as opposed to something
else attached to that. But the slow speed chase, I
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mean Rob Prez, the NBA, the NBA tweet guy who
also all does all the Birds in the Air live
streaming of if he if he finds out there's a
especially in California, there's a cart police chase, he puts
it on. He streams on that. Those are just normal ones.
I can't imagine what he do with OJR.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
What do you have, Darren?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I am also going with nineteen ninety four, Hell of
a year. Nineteen ninety four, Hey.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
That's when I was born. Straight year.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
You barely miss some stuff. How about Nancy Carrigan getting
her knee bashed it before the Olympics, I mean I
can't And and again partially how it plays out, because
you would have the original thing, which the video existed,
of the why why right after it happened. But you'd
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have the original thing, you'd have everybody tweeting about it,
you'd have people trying to figure out and then as
it played out, I mean I'm talking about the moment
it happened, but as it played out, people tweeting about
and then the day harding got connected to it, everybody
would be like, what the heck's going on? And then
even further down the road, when she gets she's allowed
to go skate anyways, I'm like that that whole thing.
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You can't write a crazier script than that.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I mean, I can't remember games I covered, but I
remember Jeff Galuli, right.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Jeff Galue Hell yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Oh my gosh, that's uh all right, what's yours?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Polly Grunge music?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Oh that's a yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It would have been good. But you know, just more
from the perspective of grunge saved us from the hairbands.
You know, no more Cinderella and White Snake and I
don't know, Dowkin and Poison. You know, I mean, America
needed to change.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
America bands. I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Deserved to change, earned to change. And so grunge was there.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
You know, I thought you were going to go the
very specific because one of the ones I did consider
was Kurt Kobain.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, so, uh so there you go. That's that's the
one I would I would go with.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
That's a big one. Would have been change, although there
is enough.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
If you go to YouTube and you can go down
a rabbit hole, you can find a lot of good
stuff early Pearl Jam and Alison Chains and Nirvana from
clubs back in the day, and it's crazy. I don't know.
You don't make me put on the flannel. Okay, here
we go. Uh, now we come back. We'll bookend it
with a Cardinals event that would have played out really
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well or been prominent on social media.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
This one, I'm hoping doesn't upset people listening because it
still technically fits within the framework of what we are
talking about. I'm taking us to the end of the timeline,
February of two thousand and nine. I would actually love
to see what the two of you looked like covering
the Super Bowl for the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
What was it.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
It would have been January of nine. I don't look
a whole lot.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Different, had a little more hair, You had a little
more hair on your face. I would have loved to
have seen the stress levels from Darren in the press box,
because I'm sure they were just astronomical.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Okay, you want to talk about stress levels. It's funny
because in the in the NFC Championship game, the Cardinals.
This is before teams were aligned with the NFL in
terms of the hubs of the servers for all the websites,
which is what we are now. In those days, teams
had did their own thing with their websites, and right
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as the NFC Championship game ended, Theasycardinals dot Com crashed
and was out for like oh into the next oh.
I did not know that, so none of my coverage
from the NFC Championship game was able to be read.
We would have had a well, that's everybody was coming
to our website and it just crashed.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Danny my famous story. Let's see if I can do
this in thirty seconds or less. You want stress levels.
Pash wolf Ley and yours truly were on the last
Cardinals bus over to the stadium from the hotel, and
of course we're away in the back and this is
Super Bowl, this is Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I've never ever been on a bus ride anywhere close
to the tension and anxiety and stress that was prominent
on that bus. You could cut it with a knife
and everyone knew it, and the last guy in the
bus and I have no idea if this was by
design was Kurt Warner, and he walked on and almost
every guy was in a suit. Kurt was not using
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like slacks and a shirt sort of a Florida colorful shirt.
Just gets on without a care in the world. How's
it going, guys, how's it going? And everyone in that
bus said, oh, yeahquarterback's been here, Our quarterback's done this,
and the whole bus exhaled at once. I swear everyone
exhaled and okay, and he that's the sort of leader
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he was that season for that team. Let's see, all right,
and I'll go speaking of those days, I'll go with
the whole Danny Green meltdown, which was borderline viral as
it was, but the Bears, who are they? And then
they played on a loop on Sports Center and everything
else where people consumed all their media. But can you
imagine how long it would have taken for that to
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take so many different derivatives of the Danny Green and
banging the podium and then maybe, just maybe I would
have had video of for those who don't know, his
next stop when he exits through the door is to
meet the hapless pencil neck radio guy who was on
the other side of that door. Yours truly, And then
you want to talk about swallowing hard and stress level
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and doing a live in the moment postgame interview with
a head coach who had just you know, pounded the postodium.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. My last one is
also everybody knows. But I just think it would have
been fantastic to see socially. Is mccount apool. The end
of the two thousand and three season, the Cardinals on
one play had a crazy play number one, knocked the
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Vikings out of the playoffs, cost themselves to the number
one overall pick, although it ended up going number three
and they got Larry Fitzgerald. And this is all in
one thing. And when you combine the play itself knocking
a team out of the playoffs and Paul Allen, the
Minnesota Vikings play by play guy, having his call which
is famous, infamous, all of the above, I think that
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just would have that really could have that would have
gone viral on about seven levels.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Did you have a two quick notes?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
One?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Paul, you were talking earlier the Cardinals and Cowboys playoff
game in nineteen ninety eight. My dad was there, so wow,
how about that? I also, I do have two honorable
mentions that I really want to mention. I'm not going
to go into depth about him because we already did that.
I just want you guys to know what I really
struggle with keeping and cutting out, similar to the Oj
Simpson of not really sports but still involving an athlete.
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One of my honorable mentions two thousand and nine the
Tiger Woods cheating scandal. Again not in the sense to
make fun of what was going on. I just remember
as a kid flipping through People magazine and seeing pictures
of the car crash at two thirty in the morning
outside his house when Woods drove into the tree and
the fire hydrant and his wife at the time, Elin
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was using the.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Club and she sandwich.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, she was breaking down the back window to get
him out. And it was the timing of all of
his official affairs that were coming out. That's something that
was right before social media really getting big. And the
other which I cut was the nineteen ninety seven this
is kind of all the same nineteen ninety seven ninety
eight range, which was the Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinski.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Oh yeah, that would have been something that was honorable
mention for me. The one thing that a Cardinals won.
I had a couple quick ones. I had you mentioned
Jordan the Flu game. I'm going a little bit earlier
than that. But the Jordan over Craig e Low in
eighty nine to beat him in the best of five,
that was really his first. He did have the sixty
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three point playoff game against the Celtics, but they lost
that series three to one. That shot over the Cows
was really the first moment where Jordan really like he
had been great in the regular season. That was his
first huge playoff moment, and obviously he just trended up
from there and then the Cardinals won. I know Larry
Fitzgerald had an amazing playoffs in two thousand and eight,
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but I keep thinking to myself as far as a
game and the stage, the NFC Championship game, the Twitter
verse going crazy over Larry Fitzgerald and the way he'd
played all through the playoffs, and then what he did
to the Eagles in the NFC Championship Game would have
been off the I mean he would have been He
would have been called a god about seventy two times.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
And there is video that exists of this. But the
number of grown men and women who were crying enjoy
at State Farm Stadium. Longtime Cardinals fans literally moved to tears,
grown men and women, and no one left the stadium
for like an hour after the end of the game.
Just the celebration and the confetti falling and the volume
is still the loudest sporting event I've ever covered.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
So jim O Mahundro, our fine producer, had a couple
of throw ins. We won't talk about these a lot,
but we do want to mention them. The Dream Team,
the Basketball dream Team in ninety two, that's a great one.
The fall of the Berlin Wall in eighty nine. I
actually had that as my nonsports one for a while
before I changed to the Carrigan one. That's that's that's
so huge, and it would have been international.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Even the home run Chase McGuire and Sosa Yea, even
just McGuire's like pregame batting practice sessions which were epic,
and he sent one at Chase Field out one of
the panels, I mean, out of this stadium. Stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
So I think it's interesting Amo included all these famous
TV shows signing off Cheers, Seinfeld friends like that would
have been a viral moment too.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, I think people just sharing what they thought of
the series finales.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Especially in those days when TV wasn't busted up like
it is now and it wasn't all streaming. It was
literally you're you're still on the four channels.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Well, and also like you couldn't pause, right, you had
to start on time, you had to wait to go
to the bathroom until commercial.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
You could tape it on your VCR and then fast
forward through the commercials. You could what's.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
The famous saying about the Seinfeld Show. It's a show
about nothing, all right. Don't let that be said about
this edition of Cardinals Underground.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I also do I.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Also do want to say, if we have sparked any
sort of answers of your own, I do think that
could be really cool.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
To send them along to me and Danny and Paul
and we will social.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Media Darren's mailbag, he'll see him, I mean wherever. I
think that could be a fun conversation.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Ye mentioned something on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Okay, we'll be why. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
All right.
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Speaker 4 (01:15):
To be fair, this was social media that never actually happened.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Even better, so more social media it's.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
It's it's pretend, it's pretend.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's wishing there was more social media, Danny Sirek, Is
that correct in a sense?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Kind of?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I mean we're talking about in the past.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Okay, So we're framing sports and Cardinals history and some
other history, okay, in the context of what if if
only there was social media when this happened, and then
we're going to fill in the blank and then speculate accordingly.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
The range we discussed of was like nineteen eighty eight
to two thousand and nine range things that happened that
social media was either not around for or not nearly
as big and popular as it is now. And what
events do we think could have been amplified in one
way or another if social media had been around.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
And we picked nineteen eighty eight because that's when the
Cardinals moved to Arizona, so that seemed like a good
start date. We're not going to start talking about, hey,
what if social media had been around in nineteen forty
seven when the Cardinals won the championship Charlie Trippy.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We're not how many clicks with Charlie tripping not.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Doing that, so like you and it's a little bit
of a I mean, we asked Danny to really stretch
here because she wasn't around for part of that timeframe.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
My older sister wasn't around for part of that timeframe.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Point well taken.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
All right, he's done of a biscuit.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
All right, here we go, Miss eighteen to thirty four demo.
Why don't you bad lead off? Since this is your
concept anyway, We'll start with a Cardinals event that that
we wish or you know, would have been featured in
social media.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
What if I actually learned this from a Cardinal's folktales
that we put out within the last couple of years.
I'm telling you to watch them to September seventh, nineteen
ninety seven. Do you know where I'm going with this, Paul?
I know you still probably haven't started prepping for wise Guy.
So that's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
September seven, ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, he was actually in that folk tale is quite
a bit.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Actually I covered this game. It was Jake Plumber and Company,
and it was the season opener and helped me out
from there.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Okay, Cardinals beat the Cowboys twenty five, twenty two Sun
Devil Stadium after thirteen consecutive losses to the Cowboys. But
what I wish social media would have been around for
at that time would have been when the fans took
down the goalposts and took it to Millave. Because we
don't see this often, and when we see it now,
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it's it's mostly in college football. It is incredible. Now,
if you're dry, you're walking in some sense, I had
imagine it's absolutely horrible. How are you supposed to get
around when you've got thousands of people surrounding you and
these goalposts that are social media, though, it is riveting
when you're seeing all the different angles and people are
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putting the photos, they're juxtaposing it on other things, and
people get really creative. That to me is something so
fun that even if you want to be a bit
of like a fun sucker, you can still understand the
fun behind tearing down goalposts after a huge win for
your team, storming the field and then taking them out
to the city.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I mean, that's the thing is if social media had
been around, you're assuming that phone camera phones will will
have been out there, and you know that everybody would
have been filming.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
That whole family would have been live streaming down on
the way.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
We would have had video all the way down Mill Avenue,
and that's just that would be crazy. Like again, this
is one of the things we liked about this exercises.
It wasn't necessarily a whole game, but that that small
window of like the goalpost coming down and going down
the street, that would have been crazy. I didn't even think.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I'm gonna assume neither of you participated in that.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
No, that was before my Cardinals time, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I wish I was down in that field working at
Channel CINCO and boom, We're on the field and it's
chaos and they win and we're interviewing players. Back in
the day, you could do that. You could actually bum
rush guy, especially after a win. And then all of
a sudden, wait a minute, head on a swivel. There
goes the goalpost out the far end of the stadium.
And we had two photographers and one tried to chase
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it down and I'm trying to remember how much video
they got. They did get a little bit of video
of it going down Mill Avenue and then ultimately ended
up in the dry riverbed in the Salt River, and
so it was either Ricky Bogran or Jim Escobido. Shout
out to one of you, two guys, because somebody chased
that down back in the day. That's fantastic with a
big beta cam on their shoulders. It was weighing about
fifty pounds.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
These days, Paul would have just put in his speed,
his safety speed and chased it down with his own phone.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Okay, that begs for a segue, Darren, what do you
have here?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So I happened to be part of this. Now, when
it first happened, it probably wouldn't have been on social media,
but the conversation around it absolutely would have been. Which
is the day that Dave McGinnis told myself and Kent
(06:25):
Summers and Mike Dreki pulled us into a back room
and said Pat Tillman isn't going to resign here because
he's joining the army, And I think to myself, And
then there was obviously multiple times where we could talk
about Pat Tillman's story being ended up on social media,
but I'm gonna choose this one, which was the positive
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one where he decided to join the military. But holy cat,
like when we were hearing this. I unfortunately worked for
a newspaper at the time that was not in the Internet.
It didn't have a website, so I literally couldn't get
the news out there until the next morning. Wow, the
Republic was in the baby stages of a website and
Mike Director could go right on the radio, so I
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was a little behind. But still it was a huge story.
And I just keep thinking to myself, as soon as
we're done racing to our twitters and like being able
to say this, and who knows, because if social media
had been a thing, maybe Dave McGinnis isn't pulling us in.
It's the Arizona Cardinal's official account announcing that he's going
in there, so it might have played out differently. But
(07:29):
I just imagine the reaction on so many different levels
of what people would be saying about a NFL football
player turning down a three year contract for significant money
at the time to join the Army.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, you can go on YouTube and find Tom Broke on,
Peter Jennings and all the news anchors of the day.
It led the Network News. It was a certified mind
blow that Pat Tillman was going to join the Army
and pursue a spot on the Rangers.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Dave McGinnis told us, And the next words out of
his after he said he's joined the army was there
and you can close your mouth now because my jaw
literally dropped. My mouth was open.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Wow. Well, speaking to Tillman, I will go. Mine would
be the ninety eight playoff win at Dallas.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Just the before and after the Cardinals leaving Sky Harbor
and there's five hundred fans out there, the Cardinals returning
to Sky Harbor in the middle of the night, five
thousand fans waiting for the team playing Redbird won to land.
The video we could have obtained of all the Cowboys
fans filing out of the stadium, out of Texas Stadium
late in the fourth quarter, and then all the Bird
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gang behind the Cardinals bench as if they had planned
the flag and taken over the stadium.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And what you're talking about is multi leveled, because if
there were social media, we certainly know that half the
conversation would have been beating down the Cowboys for losing
to the lowly Cardinals in the playoffs. And Troy Aikman
and Dion Sanders and etc. Like what happened there? How
did you let that happen? Yep?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I mean there would have been, for example, locker room
video of a beaming mister b with the game ball
because Vince Tobin awarded him the game ball for the
cardinals first playoff win in nearly a half century, and
just this smile on his face when the media was
allowed in and he was standing there and just looking,
you know, sort of like a proud parent. At the
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entire locker room there was a jubilation of young guys
like Jake Plummer who knew how to celebrate a win.
And then there was still the intensity on the face
of a Pat Tillman talking about that. I mean it
was his rookie year and he was already you know,
one of the heart beats of that team. Not only
a Tyron Matthew as a rookie, he was that kind
of guy. So yeah, that would have played real well
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on social media.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I'm sure, even just locker room footage postgame of speeches
and everything like that.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Again, I think what we're what we've all hit on
here is the social media component of It's not necessarily
something that happens directly on the field. That really resonates
with social media.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Right. How about a sports event, non football, non Cardinals
that you think would have played real well.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Ooh, I had some trouble deciding on one. Here I
am keeping us in the year nineteen ninety seven. We
are changing sports game five. It is tied to two,
the very famous Michael Jordan flu game, thirty eight points.
They beat Utah, solidified his clutchness. I can only imagine
(10:41):
the photos that we have from that. I mean, if
you had seen all of that in real time, I
will say that is a good example though, of something
I love, which is when you go back and you
see video footage or photos and you look in the
stands and there's not a cell phone in sight because
people that have cell phone and so everybody, their undivided
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attention is on the moment and what is happening in
front of them. And I understand nowadays you want to
capture your own content, right, you want to say that
there's something just so different and so special about savoring
the moment, being present with the people near you and
whether or not you know them, and just enjoying that together.
And that is just a great example of all of that.
(11:23):
Would that be great for social media. Heck yeah, that
is something that came to mind, just the clutchness.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
And again when we're talking about levels, how much discussion
Jordan hater because you know, there would have been Jordan
haters because just like LEBRONI, there would.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Have been they would have had the outlet to hate.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
How many people were going to be talking about I'm
the one who spit in his pizza or it wasn't
really the flu.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
We don't need to talk about skip baylists around here, Dren.
You don't need to bring him up.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Okay, I like that idea.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
All right, what about yours? A sports EVN non cardinals.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I'm going to go with a somewhat obvious one that
hits local but definitely as national reach. Luis Gonzalez's two
thousand and one game winner. Sure, you're beating the Yankees,
so it's a national brand. It's the World Series Game seven,
so it's a national brand. Were a month out, well
(12:20):
two months out by then, of nine to eleven. There
was so much emotion tied up into that World Series.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Giving up a couple of.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
First of all, that whole World Series would have lived
on social media in terms of virality, but but the
hit itself to win the game. Again, people would be
talking about, oh wait, the greatest relief pitcher in the
history of the game, choked or whatever, and Mad Yankees
fans and there's again, there's so much plays into that
(12:50):
one moment that would work on the video and then
like there's tentacles to it to like all these other
social things that could have come out of that moment
that I think would have been fascinating. And again, that
was a moment, just like the flu game, like there's
enough out there that it still lives well enough, Like
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there's some things that you could talk about we've missed
socially because it would have been awesome to have people
filming it because there just isn't enough. The goal post
coming down that would have been cool to have on
social because there's not a lot there there. But like
these all the things, there's enough video out there that
you can piece it together now, but still to see
people reacting in the moment would have been cool.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I do think that's part of the reason why the
Last Dance during when did that come out twenty twenty
twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
One, during the pandemic, it was I think that's.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Why everybody was so hooked on it was because if
to a certain degree there is limited footage, you don't
have thousands and thousands of people who have their own
angles and can provide their own take. That's why everybody
was so drawn in, was because you were limited to
what you could see from what was going on back then.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Go with baseball for mine, and I don't even need
to look it up. October seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine, five
oh four PM, The A's and Giants World Series. The
earthquake game.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I thought about that one.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And yours truly was in the Bay Area. It was
in college. I was actually in a safe way and
I put Express into Express lane when the isle was
in came down and it was the jar Good isle.
Because I was I was cooking for my three roommates
in college. Don't tell no to KELVYC. I was buying
jarred sauce and I was gonna make pasta that night,
(14:33):
and all of a sudden, down came the aisle and
I ran a four two forty straight out and uh everything,
lights went out, stuff crashing down, people screaming, and uh,
we knew it was bad. I had no idea how
bad it was, though, because there wasn't really no such
thing as ke There wasn't even the Internet at that point,
(14:53):
was there. So you're relying I go back, I go
back to the our place dump and I turned on
the TV and it's Snow, next channel, Snow, next channel, Snow. Finally,
there's one channel that's on the air auxiliary lighting in
a newsroom and it's the CBS affiliate, and their chopper
was in the air for traffic, and so they actually
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had still had a link. And then that's when you
saw the iconic shot of the Bay Bridge and it's down,
and that's when you realize how bad it was. All
the phone service was down. It was epicenter about five
miles from my parents' house in Santa Cruz. Couldn't get
hold of them for three hours. No idea, no idea,
And so anyway, that's the one I'll go with. And
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without social media, the entire world basically was relying on
Al Michaels, who did a phenomenal job anchoring all the
news coverage from the TV booth, and one of his
competitive advantages was the fact he used to be the
Giants announcer, so he knew the Bay Area like the
back of his hand. Anyway, he ended up getting an
Emmy for that for live news coverage and we deserved it.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
That was amazing. And to have it tied around a
sporting event that crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Okay, so there we go. Now let's see nonsports as
an X category.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
You guys are not beating me here.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
If only social media existed.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
This is why we came up with the idea.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Just so you know the conception of this podcast episode.
I was in the back room and I was just
blabbing away to Darren and I said this like out
of nowhere, and he looks at me. He goes, oh,
that that's a great podcast episode idea. It is still
semi sports related nineteen ninety four, anything bigger than the
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two hour police chase with oj Simpson. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No, No, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I mean, and I don't. I don't bring this up
as it would be funny on social media. I'm not
saying this to be disrespectful of the families, right, I'm
not saying it in that sense, but just again, the
footage of if you're sitting in your car on the
highway and your live streaming or taking videos or whatever
that might be. I think the coverage would have been insane.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
The coverage was insane. He wouldn't have social.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Media, you know, like just a Heisman winner. Everyone would
have been out of their.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Minds just his notoriety. I mean he was he was
a national broadcaster. So was that viral without social media?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I think it was.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It really was.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
I think it was.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It might have been the really first legitimate viral video instance.
Without social media.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
What you would have had is just a lot more
commentary with what was already going on because all the
news stations were showing it anyways. But you would have
had everybody piling on. You would have had definitely some
absolutely inappropriate people piling on. But I think because we
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lived through it, obviously, I was on a date bowling
with my wife to be in Flagstaff, Arizona that night,
I I think that the I think the amount was
crazy anyways. And to think if social media was in it,
and what you're not including in there is when that
was going down, there was also an NBA Finals game
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going on at the same time. That's the other thing
that social really would have like run with sure, yep.
So that's that's always a good one, you know. Unfortunately
some of these moments are not the best. And I
like how you picked the that as opposed to something
else attached to that. But the slow speed chase, I
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mean Rob Prez, the NBA, the NBA tweet guy who
also all does all the Birds in the Air live
streaming of if he if he finds out there's a
especially in California, there's a cart police chase, he puts
it on. He streams on that. Those are just normal ones.
I can't imagine what he do with OJR.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
What do you have, Darren?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I am also going with nineteen ninety four, Hell of
a year. Nineteen ninety four, Hey.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
That's when I was born. Straight year.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
You barely miss some stuff. How about Nancy Carrigan getting
her knee bashed it before the Olympics, I mean I
can't And and again partially how it plays out, because
you would have the original thing, which the video existed,
of the why why right after it happened. But you'd
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have the original thing, you'd have everybody tweeting about it,
you'd have people trying to figure out and then as
it played out, I mean I'm talking about the moment
it happened, but as it played out, people tweeting about
and then the day harding got connected to it, everybody
would be like, what the heck's going on? And then
even further down the road, when she gets she's allowed
to go skate anyways, I'm like that that whole thing.
(19:42):
You can't write a crazier script than that.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I mean, I can't remember games I covered, but I
remember Jeff Galuli, right.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Jeff Galue Hell yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Oh my gosh, that's uh all right, what's yours?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Polly Grunge music?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Oh that's a yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It would have been good. But you know, just more
from the perspective of grunge saved us from the hairbands.
You know, no more Cinderella and White Snake and I
don't know, Dowkin and Poison. You know, I mean, America
needed to change.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
America bands. I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Deserved to change, earned to change. And so grunge was there.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
You know, I thought you were going to go the
very specific because one of the ones I did consider
was Kurt Kobain.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, so, uh so there you go. That's that's the
one I would I would go with.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
That's a big one. Would have been change, although there
is enough.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
If you go to YouTube and you can go down
a rabbit hole, you can find a lot of good
stuff early Pearl Jam and Alison Chains and Nirvana from
clubs back in the day, and it's crazy. I don't know.
You don't make me put on the flannel. Okay, here
we go. Uh, now we come back. We'll bookend it
with a Cardinals event that would have played out really
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well or been prominent on social media.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
This one, I'm hoping doesn't upset people listening because it
still technically fits within the framework of what we are
talking about. I'm taking us to the end of the timeline,
February of two thousand and nine. I would actually love
to see what the two of you looked like covering
the Super Bowl for the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
What was it.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
It would have been January of nine. I don't look
a whole lot.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Different, had a little more hair, You had a little
more hair on your face. I would have loved to
have seen the stress levels from Darren in the press box,
because I'm sure they were just astronomical.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Okay, you want to talk about stress levels. It's funny
because in the in the NFC Championship game, the Cardinals.
This is before teams were aligned with the NFL in
terms of the hubs of the servers for all the websites,
which is what we are now. In those days, teams
had did their own thing with their websites, and right
(21:55):
as the NFC Championship game ended, Theasycardinals dot Com crashed
and was out for like oh into the next oh.
I did not know that, so none of my coverage
from the NFC Championship game was able to be read.
We would have had a well, that's everybody was coming
to our website and it just crashed.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Danny my famous story. Let's see if I can do
this in thirty seconds or less. You want stress levels.
Pash wolf Ley and yours truly were on the last
Cardinals bus over to the stadium from the hotel, and
of course we're away in the back and this is
Super Bowl, this is Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I've never ever been on a bus ride anywhere close
to the tension and anxiety and stress that was prominent
on that bus. You could cut it with a knife
and everyone knew it, and the last guy in the
bus and I have no idea if this was by
design was Kurt Warner, and he walked on and almost
every guy was in a suit. Kurt was not using
(22:50):
like slacks and a shirt sort of a Florida colorful shirt.
Just gets on without a care in the world. How's
it going, guys, how's it going? And everyone in that
bus said, oh, yeahquarterback's been here, Our quarterback's done this,
and the whole bus exhaled at once. I swear everyone
exhaled and okay, and he that's the sort of leader
(23:11):
he was that season for that team. Let's see, all right,
and I'll go speaking of those days, I'll go with
the whole Danny Green meltdown, which was borderline viral as
it was, but the Bears, who are they? And then
they played on a loop on Sports Center and everything
else where people consumed all their media. But can you
imagine how long it would have taken for that to
(23:31):
take so many different derivatives of the Danny Green and
banging the podium and then maybe, just maybe I would
have had video of for those who don't know, his
next stop when he exits through the door is to
meet the hapless pencil neck radio guy who was on
the other side of that door. Yours truly, And then
you want to talk about swallowing hard and stress level
(23:54):
and doing a live in the moment postgame interview with
a head coach who had just you know, pounded the postodium.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. My last one is
also everybody knows. But I just think it would have
been fantastic to see socially. Is mccount apool. The end
of the two thousand and three season, the Cardinals on
one play had a crazy play number one, knocked the
(24:22):
Vikings out of the playoffs, cost themselves to the number
one overall pick, although it ended up going number three
and they got Larry Fitzgerald. And this is all in
one thing. And when you combine the play itself knocking
a team out of the playoffs and Paul Allen, the
Minnesota Vikings play by play guy, having his call which
is famous, infamous, all of the above, I think that
(24:44):
just would have that really could have that would have
gone viral on about seven levels.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Did you have a two quick notes?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
One?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Paul, you were talking earlier the Cardinals and Cowboys playoff
game in nineteen ninety eight. My dad was there, so wow,
how about that? I also, I do have two honorable
mentions that I really want to mention. I'm not going
to go into depth about him because we already did that.
I just want you guys to know what I really
struggle with keeping and cutting out, similar to the Oj
Simpson of not really sports but still involving an athlete.
(25:14):
One of my honorable mentions two thousand and nine the
Tiger Woods cheating scandal. Again not in the sense to
make fun of what was going on. I just remember
as a kid flipping through People magazine and seeing pictures
of the car crash at two thirty in the morning
outside his house when Woods drove into the tree and
the fire hydrant and his wife at the time, Elin
(25:34):
was using the.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Club and she sandwich.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, she was breaking down the back window to get
him out. And it was the timing of all of
his official affairs that were coming out. That's something that
was right before social media really getting big. And the
other which I cut was the nineteen ninety seven this
is kind of all the same nineteen ninety seven ninety
eight range, which was the Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinski.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Oh yeah, that would have been something that was honorable
mention for me. The one thing that a Cardinals won.
I had a couple quick ones. I had you mentioned
Jordan the Flu game. I'm going a little bit earlier
than that. But the Jordan over Craig e Low in
eighty nine to beat him in the best of five,
that was really his first. He did have the sixty
(26:21):
three point playoff game against the Celtics, but they lost
that series three to one. That shot over the Cows
was really the first moment where Jordan really like he
had been great in the regular season. That was his
first huge playoff moment, and obviously he just trended up
from there and then the Cardinals won. I know Larry
Fitzgerald had an amazing playoffs in two thousand and eight,
(26:42):
but I keep thinking to myself as far as a
game and the stage, the NFC Championship game, the Twitter
verse going crazy over Larry Fitzgerald and the way he'd
played all through the playoffs, and then what he did
to the Eagles in the NFC Championship Game would have
been off the I mean he would have been He
would have been called a god about seventy two times.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
And there is video that exists of this. But the
number of grown men and women who were crying enjoy
at State Farm Stadium. Longtime Cardinals fans literally moved to tears,
grown men and women, and no one left the stadium
for like an hour after the end of the game.
Just the celebration and the confetti falling and the volume
is still the loudest sporting event I've ever covered.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
So jim O Mahundro, our fine producer, had a couple
of throw ins. We won't talk about these a lot,
but we do want to mention them. The Dream Team,
the Basketball dream Team in ninety two, that's a great one.
The fall of the Berlin Wall in eighty nine. I
actually had that as my nonsports one for a while
before I changed to the Carrigan one. That's that's that's
so huge, and it would have been international.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Even the home run Chase McGuire and Sosa Yea, even
just McGuire's like pregame batting practice sessions which were epic,
and he sent one at Chase Field out one of
the panels, I mean, out of this stadium. Stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
So I think it's interesting Amo included all these famous
TV shows signing off Cheers, Seinfeld friends like that would
have been a viral moment too.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, I think people just sharing what they thought of
the series finales.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Especially in those days when TV wasn't busted up like
it is now and it wasn't all streaming. It was
literally you're you're still on the four channels.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Well, and also like you couldn't pause, right, you had
to start on time, you had to wait to go
to the bathroom until commercial.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
You could tape it on your VCR and then fast
forward through the commercials. You could what's.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
The famous saying about the Seinfeld Show. It's a show
about nothing, all right. Don't let that be said about
this edition of Cardinals Underground.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I also do I.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Also do want to say, if we have sparked any
sort of answers of your own, I do think that
could be really cool.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
To send them along to me and Danny and Paul
and we will social.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Media Darren's mailbag, he'll see him, I mean wherever. I
think that could be a fun conversation.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Ye mentioned something on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Okay, we'll be why. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
All right.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I enjoyed it. I'm not gonna lie. I was a
little skeptical, but you guys brought it home and once again,
and this happens with regularity on Cardinals Underground, brought to
you by Pacific Office Automation. I am proven wrong.
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