July 30, 2025 • 36 mins
Derek, Dave & DJ are back to give you all of the updates from Atlanta Falcons AT&T Training Camp. They cover everything from the developing wide receiver room to how the rookie edge rushers are looking, including whatever a "kerfuffle" is and whether or not it's something you love to see.
00:00 - Intro
03:49 - Training Camp Show Live
06:40 - “Move in silence”
10:15 - What has stood out from practice?
15:41 - Developing Stories: Mooney, Chark & WRs
20:57 - Emotions can turn ‘hot’ on the field
27:06 - What is camp focus NOW?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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We are back here on the Falcons Audible presented by
AT and T and yes, the triplets are back in town.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We don't look like each other, but I just use
that because there's three of us and this is your
regular crew. Here is I was out of town last week.
Appreciate you and the fellows held it down for me
last week. Uh, don't leave them never.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Respect on it.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And we were talking earlier before we came on the
show that they need to get the respect on Arch now.
Like when he goes and asks a question after practice, like, hell,
better know who he is now. This ain't just a
random reporter. I said, this is the Dave Archer.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Just to give people a little behind the scenes. Arts
was asking a particular player some questions after practice and
after Arts left that particular player was like Dave Archer,
who is Dave? And you could tell the kid really
wanted to know who Arch was. So that's why me
and rack are saying he better put some respect on
arts name.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
If you didn't know, this is Dave Archer, that's shockly
and I'm Derek Rackley and we are back to talk
about all things Falcons as we are officially in training camp.
I know the guy's already said that last week, but
I was here, so I'm gonna do it again. So quick.
The rundown here says quick offseason update from Rack. Ye
(01:50):
could make hard when you're hosting the show and you
have to ask yourself a question.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, right, all right, here we go.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
We and Archs talked about are different things we partake
in last offseason for this off season?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, so what did you do this offseason?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Right? Well, I'll tell you this. I played very little golf,
which is kind of normal for me these days. But
I've mentioned it before on the show. I'm a softball dad.
I got two girls that play softball, so I've been
what I've used this term, I've been softballing all summer. Okay,
so I've been from Alabama to Florida to Kansas City,
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to Colorado, back to Atlanta and then to California.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Goodness.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So you see all these fingers that I held up
kind of talking about where I've been, that also could
equate to like thousands, like one thousand, three thousand, and
four thousand. Like all my money goes to my kids
in their activities, no doubt. But as they say, I
wouldn't change it for the world because of all the
memories that were created.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Those two racks.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Two girls can flat ball.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Now that's why there he what's why he's all over
the country.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
They ain't just doing that to guilfy if they can
get some barbecue in Kansas.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Right, Although did get some barbecue in Kansas City. So yeah,
that's what I've been up to. I did hear about
you guys. You were on the Falcons cruise because I
did my homework. I watched you guys a podcast, and
you have been spending some time with your son at
travel baseball and your daughter's been playing tracks. See I
watch you guys, like what I missed all when I'm gone.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
We missed you too. We missed you too.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
We talked for like an hour and a half because right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I mean we can talk for if you want. Like
we were joking before we came on the show, give
the people what they want, give them what they want.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
They want to know.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know, y'all don't want to hear about what we did.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
So you got no when it's me and Arch, it's
nobody to ring us back in.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
We just we don't talk. You're here, you can.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Bring nobody to keep us on schedule, completely off script.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Sorry about last week?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
All right, off schedule QBS.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well that's that's my job is. I'm gonna get them
back on track. So, Arch, you had a little live
show last week. Tell us how it went. I did
watch a little bit of that. I didn't watch all
of it because it was long.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
It was an hour and a half.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But I did see you guys talk with coach Rohie Morris,
I saw you talk with Terry, saw you guys talk.
Who else did you guys have on the show to
So tell me how the live show went.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yeah, I thought it went went really well.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I thought not from my perspective because I was probably
the weak link of the whole thing, but I thought
that Taylor Vismore was outstanding and as our host. Our
crew that puts that kind of stuff on. This is
an award winning crew. You guys know that to do
the dot com stuff.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
And their ability.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
This was the first time they'd done a live scenario
wherehere you actually got cameras interacting with what we're talking
about live. And then of course we had the coach,
the GM and Tory came in and sat down with us,
so that was fun. And then have the box set
up to where you could see some of practice. So
one thing I will say, and this kind of a
late disclaimer, we're not allowed to show a lot of
the practice show some tight copy of some guys working
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out and doing some drills and stuff like that. But
as far as getting eleven on eleven and seven on seven,
if you're expecting that, just go in knowing that no
coach wants to give away any of those trade secrets,
even though I know the people up on the on
the hillside of probably film and stuff. But uh, anyway,
it was a really really fun fun thing to do.
I hope you guys enjoyed it. If you had any comment,
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please send him in. We're always trying to be as
best the best we could possibly be, so feel free
to do that. But it was fun to be work
with Taylor. You work with Taylor all the time. I
thought you, I thought she was outstanding.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Arch had been big notebook out, so you knew it
was serious.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
So it was full.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Usually think the notebook only comes out on draft anytime.
It's important for the arch. It brings out the buying.
You know it's okay and it's all the notes. Arch
I did write down a couple of things. Just listening
coach Rahem Morris. Obviously they are in the acclamation period
as they call it right now. Right he's talking about
the proper progression, getting everybody up to speed, not only
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mentally that's probably the hardest part for most players, especially
the young ones, but also physically. Not to mention the
brutal heat that we're dealing with in the Atlanta area,
which guess what, that's normal at this time of the
year in Atlanta. So you if you're gonna be on
the Atlanta Falcons organization, you know you're going to sweat
your face off at practice. However, these are some of
the shall I call them curbs that are in place
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as the CBA has evolved over the years.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, but we're not that the league is correct.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I know you talked about on the show and I
think you said fifteen days straight of doubles back when
you were playing I remember even when we were playing Shock,
it was we were on a two to two one schedule.
So it was two a day, two a day single
to a day two a day single and then if
we if we practice good enough, we might get Sunday off.
But it all depended on how things go. Those days
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are gone, will those are way gone? But one thing
I thought was interesting, I want you to elaborate on
this is is a year ago it was outrun the South,
but now it's moving. Silence was what I heard from
head coach Raheem Morse. What did you take away from
what he was saying in year two here?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, I thought that we til Taylor. Taylor asked that question.
That was a really good question. I think that, Uh,
there's an idea idea here is I need to get
better as a coach too from them, not just what
we do on the field. For from a messaging standpoint,
how much does that transfer to meetings? How much does
that transfer to walkthroughs? And then ultimately in full speed
when we're when we're going at it, and I think
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that he's tweaked some things about how we want to
attack things, how we want to approach things from a
from a mental concept. You talk about the mental.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Piece of it is so big.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
A lot of the practices are walkthroughs and things of
that nature, so you do have to go through the
mental piece of it. But it told me Rack that
I think the staff sat out and said, Okay, what
did we do wrong last year that we can improve on?
And I think maybe getting too caught up in what's
going on in division. Let's get let's let's reel it back,
and let's think about ourselves a little bit more. Let's
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kind of let's kind of spend time on what we
can do. It's an old adage. We all heard it
as players, no matter what era you played in, how
much better can you be today than you were yesterday?
And there's no way you can be the same as
you were yesterday because you've got another opportunity to get better.
So you're either better or worse. There's not a spinning
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the wheel scenario. So that was kind of what I
took away.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
From focus on us can control what you can control
and in Shock. I don't want to go back to
my softball days, but there are certain things that like
I learned as a football player being around coaches like
Raheem Morris. I was never around him on the same team,
but against him, But all coaches have the kind of
the same similar philosophies, and we talk about it in
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softball too. Is we go and play the game, we
don't play the opponent, which is kind of similar to
what you're talking about. It's, yeah, we need to outrun
the South in order to make to get the automatic
berth into the postseason, but at the end of the day,
it's also control what we could control in play our game.
Would you agree, Shocked that that's what you have to
focus is on how can we get how can each
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player get better, how can the team get better? And
then all we have to do is execute on Sundays,
not necessarily beat the opponent. We just got to execute
our game plan.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah, it's a great comment, and it's also as factual
as you can get because obviously it's all about making
sure you know your opponent and you have to adjust
to it or whatever the situation is. Yeah, you got
to study them and know some of their tendencies. But
I think at the end of the day, what we've
all learned throughout the whole process is if you take
care of your responsibility, if you do what you're supposed
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to do within that particular play or that situation, then
everything works out better for that particular unit. And that way,
you're not so concerned about what the other team is doing,
because if you take care of you, you've already practiced
hard enough or practiced in a position that gives you
a chance to go win that battle whichever whoever you're
going to get. So I think it's a big time statement.
(09:42):
It's something that we used all the time, but you
always hear can you get one percent better? The same
thing you just mentioned about, you know, today has to
be better than yesterday. Every time you go out. You
want to be taking a step forward as opposed to
taking steps backwards. And I think that's a big deal,
especially in training camp, is not to commit the same mistakes,
not to do the same things over and over again,
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and finding ways to get better, so that throughout this process,
throughout training camp, which you get to day eight or nine,
you're starting to go this way as you're getting ready
for a game as opposed to taking steps back and
then you're worried about what's going on in front of you.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You know, guys, as we record this show on a Tuesday,
the Falcons put the pads on today. But before we
talk about that, I want to go back because I
have been out of town a little bit. You guys
were around this past weekend. Falcons completed their first weekend
of practices, and Arch, I'm going to come back to you,
like what stood out to you the first couple of
practices that you got to see of this twenty twenty
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five team.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I thought that the Saturday practice was you know,
the first practice on Thursday was kind of that, Okay,
we're back out on the field and we're going through
We're trying to get our timing down where you're supposed
to be on this drill, you know, changing direction, all
this kind of stuff. I thought Saturday to me was
the first practice that kind of felt like training camp practic.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
I don't know if you felt that way shocked, but.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It kind of felt like, Okay, now we're a training
camp type defense won the day offense had a really
tough day. Ball was on the ground, Jeon Robinson even
talked about you know, that's not the way. We can't
play that way offensively, even did an interview on NFL
Network talking about it. So it already one practice in
was already resonating with uhh, that's not who we are.
(11:19):
We got to be better than that. The defense I get,
like I said one the day, Now, it didn't help
that Oldbrick introduced it looked like a couple of blizzes
and you don't have any pads on or anything like that,
just to kind of screw you up in the blocking
schemes a little bit, I think. But you know they're
trying to get better on their side too, and that's
what I talked about. One of the things I asked.
I talked about training camp and we talked about this
shock last week is what are we looking for from
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training camp? Defense Wednesday, offense Wednesday. But you're combining that
competition where they're grinding on each other, where you get
that best possible team as you emerge from August, all
of a sudden, that team it's been grinding on each
other all training camp, now all of a sudden, you
got that best version on both sides of the foot
ball that emerge.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
This is a completely different era of fellas I mean,
and probably an era that that favors the fans because
of social media and because of the developments of media
in general. Again, I go back to my playing days,
our playing days, when when we got finished with a practice,
there were writers that were there and they were writing
articles that got published in the newspaper. The newspaper is
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do y'all remember what those things are and what they
look like, because I remember sitting at breakfast at training
camp and I would read a newspaper hearing about how
they captured the moments from yesterday's practice. There's no more
yesterday anymore. It all ends up bringing out on social
media right now. And so to your point, Arch, we're
getting this this live update of defense won the day.
(12:49):
But guess what happens in training camp when it's one team.
Either the defense is gonna win or the offense is
gonna win generally, right, sometimes it's going to be a stalemate.
But what did you take away from the first weekend?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
One thing that came to mind here and both you
guys talk about what's happening right now, and we talk
about the fans and the media having these live updates.
How about the players having it as well. And one
thing that came to mind to me was you think
about the last couple days of something's been doing, but
having the video boards out on the field. And I
saw today Michael Penny's climbing in the pocket and he
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was kind of mad. He threw it down because they
didn't complete the ball whatever it was, and he's walking back,
he instantly looks at the board. So you're talking about
getting instant analysis of what happened right now. Another example
what I got you heard today Rahee Moore talking about
Bijon and he said, you know, we had a bad
day on Saturday. And Bijon goes to him saying, coach,
you know what, I would really love to get with
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the players after prize and talk to him right He says, no,
do it right now. Who you need to talk to?
Go find that guy, Go find whoever you need to.
Let's handle it right now on the field. There's the
instant you know, things that you want to have happen
right now. And I think that's one of the things
you talk about with Rohe's talking about how he is
going to change the way he's coaching. He's changed in
the way the mindset of how they go about correcting
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things and getting it done right now, as opposed to
how we used to do it was say we got
to go watch the take first thing you gotta say,
I gotta go see what happened on the field first
of all, I know what happens. Now they got to
instagratification and see what happens. Or heem said the same thing. No,
let's not let this faster at all right now. And
there's something you want to go say to a guy,
go handle it right now. So you love that part
about training camp and the things that they're getting out
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of it right now that's different from when we played
that they can handle right now. But I think the
one thing that comes to mind to me is the
attention to detail that you can see in every drill. Now,
not saying other teams don't do this, but just from
my eyes watching everything to go on, from the things
that going on the dB drills going on with the
offensive line, you see guys, you see coaches talking about
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first steps and actually going through and you see guys
actually taking the first step and then they're talking through it.
You're talking about QB's going through progressions as far as Okay,
here's one, here's two, here's three. You see DJ Williams
talking to Michael Penny Jr. You see the small minute
detail that's going to lead to the bigger things once
you get into those eleven eleven drills, you get into
seven h seven, you get into a game, so that
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you already talked and communicated through. And I've seen that
on both sides of the ball, that attention to detail
when it comes to the small minute details of whatever
the position is and trying to make sure they're doing
it the right way.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Shock it's great that you walk our viewers and listeners
through that, because there are people that are not part
of the fifteen thousand that get to come watch practice,
and and when you make a comment like that, they
may not know exactly what you're talking about. They're may
be trying to envision in their head, well, what are
those adjustments, what are those attention to details that he's
actually talking about. So I think it's good that that
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you kind of walk folks through that. There were some
interesting storylines that came up over the weekend. One of
the biggest was, of course, Darnell Moody Mooney and the
shoulder injury, saying that he's going to miss a few weeks.
And I don't want to use the word subsequent because
the discussion was DJ Hark was already scheduled to be
worked out, so it's not necessarily in reaction to Darnell Mooney,
(16:03):
but he was signed. And so you guys actually talked
a little bit about wide receivers before we came on
the podcast today, So Arch I want to have you
kind of touch on a little bit of the Mooney
Chark situation, but maybe the wide receivers as a whole,
what you've seen so far and where do you need
to see some growth during this training came.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Well, certainly growth is a is a good call rack
and that I think this is a group that you
don't know a lot about other than Drake London, Raray McLeod,
Darnell Mooney, Caderrel Hodge and then and then it's kind
of an obscure group. We saw Chris Blair some light
play last year, but it's a group at Casey Washington,
a guy they drafted got banged up a year ago,
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was on some special teams. But this is an opportunity
for him to step up. So there's there's opportunities here
from guys that maybe you knew a little bit about
in college that that are now giving you the opportunity.
Now the Mooney, I don't want to call an injury,
brush up, whatever you want to call it. I think
it gives an opportunity for other guys to step up.
(17:04):
Like I talked about, the one thing that's interesting Rack
to me is Okay, a lot of a lot of gms,
a lot of coaches will build their rosters so a
guy can step in. There's a guy that's a lot
like that, they'll step in. Moony's a different dude. There's
long speed there, he's got some short air of quickness.
He's a really good route runner. So you start trying
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to find he's a smaller guy, and all of a sudden,
Ray May McCloud is the guy that has emerged that's
going to play that position. And now Caderill Hodge steps
up to where Ray Ray would play, and so you
start finding out about your depth a little bit. I
think it's an area, in my opinion, that they're not
sure about you. I think Djhark comes in here with
an opportunity to make the club. He's not just in
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here as a can't body. This a long speed guy
that a monster year. Is his second year in the league,
over a thousand yards, was a was a pro bowler
and in the last three or four years has had
injuries and adult stuff, and it's kind of bounced around
the league a little bit. This might be an opportunity
for him to find a home here well.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And Arch listening to the live show Terry Fontineau talking
about how Eastern Stick worked out with him in the
offseason and said that he looked great. And remember this
is a do you talk about the difference between him
and Darnell Mooney. This is six three, two hundred and
a guy that ran four to three four on the
combine coming out of school. So you don't know whether
or not all that long speed is still there, But
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you're trusting number one Eastern Stick and what he saw
in the off season. Number two trusting the Falcons what
they saw on the workout. But ultimately number three shock
is what does he do in training camp? Can he
rekindle a little bit of what he did in that
second year in the league when he was over a
thousand yards and can he be an impact player that
you know, is experience that has a lot of starts
under his belt. Maybe just maybe he's got an opportunity
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to make.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
The club and you can only hope that.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
And I think they feel good about the body of
work that he's bringing in. And obviously, like you guys mentioned,
there was a time where this guy was a really
good receiver in this league and play really well. And
here's a guy that you know working out with Eastern
stick in the off season. Eastern is telling them, hey,
this is kind of the stuff we do. So he
can go back and kind of say, you know what,
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I remember running these type of routes because I remember
him talking on an interview saying, you know what, I
was just doing stuff that Eastern said, you know, these
are the routes that we run. So you're talking about
coming in and have a familiarity with some of the
things they're already doing.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It helps you.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
And like I said, you ain't coming in here just
to be a body. You come to here to kind
of fill a void. You come to here to be
a guy that we can actually depend on. So only
time of tail obviously, these preseason games will be big
for him, but these these training camp prices are big
as well. They're gonna have a chance to go against
the Tennessee Titans when they come here. That's another chance
to compete. So it's going to be fun to see
how he progresses through training him and if he can
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actually ask some value, because I'm sure he's that kind
of body that they would love to have on the perimeter.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I think it's interesting too guys that guys that sense
the opportunity, and sometimes you have to be around a
little while to sense that opportunity.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Right rack.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I mean a guy like Casey Washington. I had a
chance to talk with him post practice today and he talked.
You could see it he was a different guy. He
could see that there was a there was not a tenseness,
but ascension, a focus, if you will, that he understood,
there's an opportunity here for me to now take that
next step, not just be an extra guy, a six
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to receiver on the team. Here's an opportunity for me
to be on the field, not just on special teams,
but on the field. And you wonder, and young guys
have a tough time. They just want to make the club.
They wanted to Nick Nash as a kid that I
think has a lot of potential. I think Quincy Skinner
is a guy that has some potential young young receivers.
But there's a it's a DeVault metal type thing where
you start looking at Casey Washington, he knows what the
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flavor is he needs to go, you know, get his
and you can sense that. So at Chris Blair is
the same way. I think that they sense that there's
some opportunities, which I think guys rise to the occasional opportunities.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
One thing, fellas, you know, when you work with people,
sometimes you don't like them and you like you step
back afterwards and you like want to fight them, and like,
I've never thought that way about you guys. So that's
a good thing. I guess. Maybe that's the reason why
I was three or together, so I don't ever really
want to fight with you guys. This past weekend there
was some tussles on the field, which all three of
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us know is just part of training camp. It's nothing
to be alarmed about. Maybe some of the fans that
go sit on the hill when they see that breakout,
they're probably like, oh my gosh, like are they gonna
be Okay, is this is this team gonna fall up? Look,
it is normal, Okay, it is very normal. Now, there's
obviously the balance of tenacity versus their your teammates, right,
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but we would all agree that this stuff happens. Did
it escalate too much this past weekend? Or in your
guys opinion, was it just normal shock? Let's start with you.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I've been a part of a few teams where we've
had some tussles and what I saw from that that
was mild. I mean, okay, I mean, of course it
was you know, it was you know, some grabbing a face,
masks and pushing and all that kind of stuff. But
I've seen some fights throughout the time I was here
as Atlanta Falcon as well as when I was in
(22:11):
college that things got a little out of hand.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You're like, those dudes can't be friends to more, like so.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
They going to have coffee together?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I think I think you.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
As people know it's hot outside. I mean, just think
about how many times if you're hot and you're walking
around outside and you just got dudes just keep pushing, you,
keep agitating, you punch you across your head a little bit,
give you a little jab in the in the rib caves,
you're gonna be a little hot too, and sometimes you
may snap back and it's it's okay because I think
it shows, like you mentioned, some intensity, but it shows
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a little passion, shows you care. It shows that guys, uh,
you know, it's not gonna allow a guy just to
push around. And one guy who's a party it was
James Prince Junior, like a rookie and you don't want
to see. And sometimes I knew I some offensive lineing
during my time that would try a guy just to
see if this guy had a little bit of dog
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in it, or to see if this dude got a
little bit of edge and if he gonna fight back,
And that tells you a lot about your teammate.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
If I pushed this guy.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Around and he just walks away and don't say nothing,
You're like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
You know what I'm saying. I count on you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
It got I count on on the fourth down when
I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
If it get tough, well, this dude, you know he's
square for me, and for me, I don't mind it.
I know you don't want too much of it because
coach Moore said, Hey, it takes away from the time
you go to practice. Want to get back to it.
We want to make sure that we're doing supposed to.
But at the end of the day, you got guys
coming to his defense.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
You have my boy Flow coming to his Lettard Floyd
coming to his defense. You got guys coming to you know,
the defense of the offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
So I think it's healthy to have those kind of
skirmishes throughout practice because it means guess what, guys are
going hard, they're competing, and that's what you.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Want, I thought.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Jeff Oldbricks really he was asked about it James Pierce
Junior in particular. Obviously he was kind of at the
center of a couple of these skirmishes, if you will.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
And obviously you.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Can what do they call Jared call put down on
our call sheet.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
He called it.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Kerkfuffles, like it's like a utahs.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
That'll be the last time we use it on this show.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
But but old Brick Brick talked about what Pierce how
he responded, obviously, they there was the reprimands, Hey you
can't do that that your teammate, all this kind of stuff.
But then you kind of dig it because they're fighting
a little bit like Shaq was talking about. But what
what Brick said afterward was he said, I loved the
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guy Pierce was after because practice was about halfway over
when it went down, or a little up throwing the
halfway over. He was better in practice after it went
down than he was maybe even prior to. So he refocused,
re established his idea of what he needs to do
out there to get better, and then competed with his
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teammate and didn't detract from his team trying to get
better as well. So I thought that was pretty cool
that he would he would talk about that. But I know, guys,
we had a guy, a guy named Ron Heller who
was an offensive tackle played in Philly. He wanted to
fight the guy in the first couple of plays of
the game. And it wasn't for the guy, you know,
he challenged the guy. It was to get his blood flown.
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He wanted to fight the dude. So he was in
because he was a really nice guy off the field.
But he had to had to find that dog, as
you guys are talking about, So he had to get
in a fight, punch a guy in the wherever and
all that kind of stuff next to they're fight and
so so there is some method sometimes to the madness stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, I mean this is again remember a army doll or.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
But Keith Brookie, you know so so Brooke got kicked
out of practice, Keith Brooking, Brady Smith and Keenan Fordy,
Mike Johnson, we're kind of the usual suspects when I
was playing. But no, I'll just my last comment on
that is it's hard if you never played this game
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or played anything really competitive to understand what we're talking about.
But like sometimes when somebody like steps to you, if
you know what I mean, or or they get in
your face and they challenge you, it's kind of like that,
oh it's on. And that's to your point about Pierce,
Like after that moment, he was.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Probably like, oh, it's on. Like they turn my buttons on,
it's on, and I'm going to show them who James
Pierce is. But the biggest key is can you combine
that that newfound energy and competitive so you you have
with the mental focus to execute what you're supposed to
do and not let the emotions take over. So anyway,
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fights at at NFL training camps, College High school over
the happens all the time, completely normal. Not right now,
Oh it's on, we got one more, got one more.
I'm gonna combine this last topic here, fellas, because the
as we talked about today's practice, they put on the
pads a little bit. You guys got a chance to
see that. Between the pads and at this stage in
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camp shock, what are the coaches, the front office, or
even the players. What is the focus now where they
are at in camp.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I think a lot of things you can talk about
when the pads come on, But I think first and
foremost it comes to the physicality. Who will be physical,
especially in the trenches. Who is willing to put the
hat in there and and show up in those situations
where you say, oh, we had pads on, I would
have you know, I would have gave you a nice
little thud, you know. I think that's a big part
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of it. I think the other part is this is
the closest you will get to game feeld game action
as far as how guys attack certain guys. And what
I mean by that is how guys doing like pass pro.
So you got a running back and you got to
blind back a coming in with no pads on. It's
hard to tell. All they're just gonna fluff, they'll go around.
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But now this libe I can come in. He can
put his hat right on you, and will you stand
up and be right there for it? Or in the
run game we saw today in eleven on eleven, who's
gonna be able to use their physicality to move that
guy in front of them to create a hole or
to stibul guy yep to stand there and is that
linebacker don't fill that gap? And what they do now
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was you call a thud. You get in there, you
put your hat, you put your shoulder pads on them,
and you just let them know, hey, I'm here. And
that's a big part of it. So I think the
physicality is a big part of it and making it
as realistic as you can when it comes to fits,
when it comes to the aggression of getting down here,
and I think that's a big part of it, which
guys are actually going to actually show that, Hey, if
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we're playing a game, I put my hat on this guy,
it's gonna be real.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Combine the physicality with what you're talking about the mental
piece of the rack and Divine Diablo today was a
monster on defense. I mean he was coming downhill, going
and through blocks of guards and centers trying to get him,
blowing the run game up. I also saw Nowzle Ryan Noozl,
who's now your new starting center, I'll played eight games
a year ago as a starter, and he he and
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Matthew Berger on work on a on a stunt where
a linebackers coming second level nose tackle went outside to
try to take the guard out in the in the
and the linebacker looped to the inside. They pass that
off perfect perfectly. Pennick sat in the pocket and found
U Jean Robinson who was coming out of the backfield
on a little corn route on the backfield for a touchdown.
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I mean, just those So the we've gone through the
mental stuff. We've done it on the board, we've walked
through it. But now there's the physical piece that you
actually have to get it done. Like you're talking about shock. Okay, yeah,
I can put my hand out there. Yeah I would
have had you you know if I Now, you have
to get him, you know, and you got to put
the hands on him. You got to get the pads
on him. Are you square on people? So the technique
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along with the mental piece of that in the physicality
all comes together.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
And arts on that play, whether bijon. Another good thing
you learned from what having pads on is can you
block a guy when he's coming around the edge. That
same play, Pierce comes around the edge on Jake Matthews
and they call a hold on Jake Matthews right there,
saying that he got under him or whatever. You've got
a tug and you bring that back. If you don't
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have pads on, he probably just pushes and runs him by.
But because you have those pads on, now Piers can
actually fight through Jake and now he has a hole.
So a lot of interesting things you can get from
having the pads on. That helps you have a realistic
picture of what's going on in the game.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And I don't want to take anything away from the
skill or the speed position players, but when to me, guys,
when the pads come on, it's about the trenches. It's
about run game, and it's about line of scrimmage. And
you guys kind of hit on most of the big points.
But it's working those combination blocks in the run game.
It's passing off stunts in the passing game. But the
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flip side of it too, is also the defensive front.
Which of your defensive tackles are gonna be able to
hold their ground, Which guys can you count on that
are going to be able to fight off double teams,
that are going to be able to stay in the
A gap when that's their responsibility and they're not getting
moved out of there, And you can look at and
you can say that guy's got to be on the
field when we're in rundown situations. Right, So many things there.
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What you guys were talking about blitz pick up with
running backs, like are they going to be able to
sit down in the chair and pick somebody up coming
through the tackle box? Are coming around the edge?
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
All those things are so important to see once the
pads come on. Yeah, there's some benefits to the wide receivers,
like are they still running fast out there? Yeah, that's great.
I mean they thudd and so on and so forth.
Safety is coming in the box. But to me, by
and large, it's what's happening with the offense, defensive line, linebackers,
and running backs and how all those guys are faring
now that the pads are coming on. I wrote down
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four things as far as this phase of camp, but
I want to see if you guys agree with this, okay,
understanding of plays and responsibilities right, knowing where you're supposed
to go, and then lack of missed assignments. Right, That's
what coaches want to see is can you take what
you learn in meeting rooms in the classroom, bring it
out to the field and then not make mistakes. That's
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the biggest way to get on the field is if
the coaches have faith that you are not going to
make mistakes when you were out there. Ability to play
fast was my third one, and then you guys talked
about it. Execute. Can you actually do what you're supposed
to do? Can you complete passes? Can you catch the ball?
Are you there to square up to make tackles? Can
you execute combination blocks? Can you get off a combination blocks?
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Can you get around the edge as a pass rusher?
These are all things that actually have to happen on
game day for you to be successful. To me, this
is where camp gets to is are these players able
to do those four things? And probably many others, but
those are the four that I highlight as the most important.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
And I had something very similar written down and it
was to the point of who can mentally and physically
sustain it through the new installs because you got lot
of stuff going on? Can you play faster after every
day is a different is you're putting in something different
adding to what all you have already. Okay, who can
mentally and physically do it? And then you're talking about
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you also gotta fight with the heat. I mean it's
a real deal. It's hot outside and you run around.
You got these pads on first time, you're really going.
It's different from when you're working out in the off
season and you're outside, you got the pads on it,
you're trying to simulate it. But now you got real
deal competition, you got installed, you got the heat, you
got you know, trying to make sure you're in the
right spot. Can you mentally and physically do it and
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sustain it over a period of time so that you're
not making the same mistakes, You're not doing the routine
errors because you're a little hot, or you're a little
you're a little tired. Now you got these pads on
it, it's a little bit hotter than some one hundregrees outside.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Who can do that? I think they really want to.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Pay attention to those guys who can sustain it over
a period of time. Now, this was the first day,
everybody probably felt good about it. You're still you know,
a week in the camp, but who's gonna do that
when we get to next week when you're in practice
number nine or ten.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I think the other piece to it, guys, is the
coaching piece to it too, is we're trying to discover who,
excuse me, are going to be the fifty three guys
and then maybe those sixteen guys on practice squad and
you start formulating thoughts. But you're trying to find the
guys who are going to line up and play for
and go win games. So how do I adjust the
flavor of different guys playing together. So that's the coaching
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piece to it. Yes, they're teaching, but they're also you know,
you're talked about the players stepping up and doing all
the kinds of I'm trying to step up as a coach.
I need to put the right guys in position. Today
Xavier Watch was on the field with Jesse Jesse Bates
in the back end. You know that hadn't that hadn't happened.
So now they got the rookie out there with with
the venerable one and Bates And how did those two
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communicate with one another? You know, guys rotating in Billy
Bowman rotating at that nickel spot. You know how those
how do the edge guys combined with one another? Some
of the stunts that we can now do physically, Like
you guys are talking about, how do they execute those?
Is Anya, Mada and Floyd on the same page? You
know when they start doing that? What do I need
to do to tweak that? So it's not just a
player perspective, it's the coaches. They're trying to adjust their
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thought process is who do I need on the field
and this down a distant situation. What two guys are
communicating the way they need to And who do I
need to bullsh Who do I need to pick it
up a little bit? Hey, you need to do more
of this? You know, all those kinds of things. So
it's not just the players as the coaches are trying
to adjust as well.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Fellas. We are just scratching the surface, just scratching the surface.
But guess what training camp is officially underway.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
It's on.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
It is on that's going to wrap it up for
this week and the Falcons Audible presented by AT and T.
We'll be back here as we record for the most
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you guys take in your podcast material. But we got
a lot to talk about next week as the Falcons
are getting ready for some scrimmaging and of course some
joint practices coming up on the docket as well, so
we're able to break some of that stuff down. But
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we'll have a lot of stuff to talk about as
far as the actual practices that we have seen. Maybe
we'll get into some new names that we haven't discussed yet.
But I know a lot of you out there are
so excited to not only see some of these free
agents and how they're fitting into this team, but also
this rookie draft class that we're expecting so much from
obviously the pass rushers, but in the back end as well.
Hopefully we'll be able to detail it for you all
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in much more next week. As I said, that's gonna
wrap it up for today's Falcons Audible presented by AT
and T. That's DJ Shockley. That is the day of
Archer respect on that name don't forget it is Deratley
and we're gonna have a kerfuffle now once you get
out of here. I'm happy to be back with my fellows.
Thanks so much for joining us. Everybody, We will see
you next time.
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stock items by four pm, subject to availability. What's up, everybody?
We are back here on the Falcons Audible presented by
AT and T and yes, the triplets are back in town.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We don't look like each other, but I just use
that because there's three of us and this is your
regular crew. Here is I was out of town last week.
Appreciate you and the fellows held it down for me
last week. Uh, don't leave them never.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Respect on it.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And we were talking earlier before we came on the
show that they need to get the respect on Arch now.
Like when he goes and asks a question after practice, like, hell,
better know who he is now. This ain't just a
random reporter. I said, this is the Dave Archer.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Just to give people a little behind the scenes. Arts
was asking a particular player some questions after practice and
after Arts left that particular player was like Dave Archer,
who is Dave? And you could tell the kid really
wanted to know who Arch was. So that's why me
and rack are saying he better put some respect on
arts name.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
If you didn't know, this is Dave Archer, that's shockly
and I'm Derek Rackley and we are back to talk
about all things Falcons as we are officially in training camp.
I know the guy's already said that last week, but
I was here, so I'm gonna do it again. So quick.
The rundown here says quick offseason update from Rack. Ye
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could make hard when you're hosting the show and you
have to ask yourself a question.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, right, all right, here we go.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
We and Archs talked about are different things we partake
in last offseason for this off season?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, so what did you do this offseason?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Right? Well, I'll tell you this. I played very little golf,
which is kind of normal for me these days. But
I've mentioned it before on the show. I'm a softball dad.
I got two girls that play softball, so I've been
what I've used this term, I've been softballing all summer. Okay,
so I've been from Alabama to Florida to Kansas City,
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to Colorado, back to Atlanta and then to California.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Goodness.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So you see all these fingers that I held up
kind of talking about where I've been, that also could
equate to like thousands, like one thousand, three thousand, and
four thousand. Like all my money goes to my kids
in their activities, no doubt. But as they say, I
wouldn't change it for the world because of all the
memories that were created.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Those two racks.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Two girls can flat ball.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Now that's why there he what's why he's all over
the country.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
They ain't just doing that to guilfy if they can
get some barbecue in Kansas.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Right, Although did get some barbecue in Kansas City. So yeah,
that's what I've been up to. I did hear about
you guys. You were on the Falcons cruise because I
did my homework. I watched you guys a podcast, and
you have been spending some time with your son at
travel baseball and your daughter's been playing tracks. See I
watch you guys, like what I missed all when I'm gone.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
We missed you too. We missed you too.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
We talked for like an hour and a half because right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I mean we can talk for if you want. Like
we were joking before we came on the show, give
the people what they want, give them what they want.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
They want to know.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know, y'all don't want to hear about what we did.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
So you got no when it's me and Arch, it's
nobody to ring us back in.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
We just we don't talk. You're here, you can.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Bring nobody to keep us on schedule, completely off script.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Sorry about last week?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
All right, off schedule QBS.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well that's that's my job is. I'm gonna get them
back on track. So, Arch, you had a little live
show last week. Tell us how it went. I did
watch a little bit of that. I didn't watch all
of it because it was long.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
It was an hour and a half.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But I did see you guys talk with coach Rohie Morris,
I saw you talk with Terry, saw you guys talk.
Who else did you guys have on the show to
So tell me how the live show went.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yeah, I thought it went went really well.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I thought not from my perspective because I was probably
the weak link of the whole thing, but I thought
that Taylor Vismore was outstanding and as our host. Our
crew that puts that kind of stuff on. This is
an award winning crew. You guys know that to do
the dot com stuff.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
And their ability.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
This was the first time they'd done a live scenario
wherehere you actually got cameras interacting with what we're talking
about live. And then of course we had the coach,
the GM and Tory came in and sat down with us,
so that was fun. And then have the box set
up to where you could see some of practice. So
one thing I will say, and this kind of a
late disclaimer, we're not allowed to show a lot of
the practice show some tight copy of some guys working
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out and doing some drills and stuff like that. But
as far as getting eleven on eleven and seven on seven,
if you're expecting that, just go in knowing that no
coach wants to give away any of those trade secrets,
even though I know the people up on the on
the hillside of probably film and stuff. But uh, anyway,
it was a really really fun fun thing to do.
I hope you guys enjoyed it. If you had any comment,
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please send him in. We're always trying to be as
best the best we could possibly be, so feel free
to do that. But it was fun to be work
with Taylor. You work with Taylor all the time. I
thought you, I thought she was outstanding.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Arch had been big notebook out, so you knew it
was serious.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
So it was full.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Usually think the notebook only comes out on draft anytime.
It's important for the arch. It brings out the buying.
You know it's okay and it's all the notes. Arch
I did write down a couple of things. Just listening
coach Rahem Morris. Obviously they are in the acclamation period
as they call it right now. Right he's talking about
the proper progression, getting everybody up to speed, not only
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mentally that's probably the hardest part for most players, especially
the young ones, but also physically. Not to mention the
brutal heat that we're dealing with in the Atlanta area,
which guess what, that's normal at this time of the
year in Atlanta. So you if you're gonna be on
the Atlanta Falcons organization, you know you're going to sweat
your face off at practice. However, these are some of
the shall I call them curbs that are in place
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as the CBA has evolved over the years.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, but we're not that the league is correct.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I know you talked about on the show and I
think you said fifteen days straight of doubles back when
you were playing I remember even when we were playing Shock,
it was we were on a two to two one schedule.
So it was two a day, two a day single
to a day two a day single and then if
we if we practice good enough, we might get Sunday off.
But it all depended on how things go. Those days
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are gone, will those are way gone? But one thing
I thought was interesting, I want you to elaborate on
this is is a year ago it was outrun the South,
but now it's moving. Silence was what I heard from
head coach Raheem Morse. What did you take away from
what he was saying in year two here?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, I thought that we til Taylor. Taylor asked that question.
That was a really good question. I think that, Uh,
there's an idea idea here is I need to get
better as a coach too from them, not just what
we do on the field. For from a messaging standpoint,
how much does that transfer to meetings? How much does
that transfer to walkthroughs? And then ultimately in full speed
when we're when we're going at it, and I think
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that he's tweaked some things about how we want to
attack things, how we want to approach things from a
from a mental concept. You talk about the mental.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Piece of it is so big.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
A lot of the practices are walkthroughs and things of
that nature, so you do have to go through the
mental piece of it. But it told me Rack that
I think the staff sat out and said, Okay, what
did we do wrong last year that we can improve on?
And I think maybe getting too caught up in what's
going on in division. Let's get let's let's reel it back,
and let's think about ourselves a little bit more. Let's
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kind of let's kind of spend time on what we
can do. It's an old adage. We all heard it
as players, no matter what era you played in, how
much better can you be today than you were yesterday?
And there's no way you can be the same as
you were yesterday because you've got another opportunity to get better.
So you're either better or worse. There's not a spinning
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the wheel scenario. So that was kind of what I
took away.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
From focus on us can control what you can control
and in Shock. I don't want to go back to
my softball days, but there are certain things that like
I learned as a football player being around coaches like
Raheem Morris. I was never around him on the same team,
but against him, But all coaches have the kind of
the same similar philosophies, and we talk about it in
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softball too. Is we go and play the game, we
don't play the opponent, which is kind of similar to
what you're talking about. It's, yeah, we need to outrun
the South in order to make to get the automatic
berth into the postseason, but at the end of the day,
it's also control what we could control in play our game.
Would you agree, Shocked that that's what you have to
focus is on how can we get how can each
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player get better, how can the team get better? And
then all we have to do is execute on Sundays,
not necessarily beat the opponent. We just got to execute
our game plan.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah, it's a great comment, and it's also as factual
as you can get because obviously it's all about making
sure you know your opponent and you have to adjust
to it or whatever the situation is. Yeah, you got
to study them and know some of their tendencies. But
I think at the end of the day, what we've
all learned throughout the whole process is if you take
care of your responsibility, if you do what you're supposed
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to do within that particular play or that situation, then
everything works out better for that particular unit. And that way,
you're not so concerned about what the other team is doing,
because if you take care of you, you've already practiced
hard enough or practiced in a position that gives you
a chance to go win that battle whichever whoever you're
going to get. So I think it's a big time statement.
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It's something that we used all the time, but you
always hear can you get one percent better? The same
thing you just mentioned about, you know, today has to
be better than yesterday. Every time you go out. You
want to be taking a step forward as opposed to
taking steps backwards. And I think that's a big deal,
especially in training camp, is not to commit the same mistakes,
not to do the same things over and over again,
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and finding ways to get better, so that throughout this process,
throughout training camp, which you get to day eight or nine,
you're starting to go this way as you're getting ready
for a game as opposed to taking steps back and
then you're worried about what's going on in front of you.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You know, guys, as we record this show on a Tuesday,
the Falcons put the pads on today. But before we
talk about that, I want to go back because I
have been out of town a little bit. You guys
were around this past weekend. Falcons completed their first weekend
of practices, and Arch, I'm going to come back to you,
like what stood out to you the first couple of
practices that you got to see of this twenty twenty
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five team.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I thought that the Saturday practice was you know,
the first practice on Thursday was kind of that, Okay,
we're back out on the field and we're going through
We're trying to get our timing down where you're supposed
to be on this drill, you know, changing direction, all
this kind of stuff. I thought Saturday to me was
the first practice that kind of felt like training camp practic.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
I don't know if you felt that way shocked, but.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It kind of felt like, Okay, now we're a training
camp type defense won the day offense had a really
tough day. Ball was on the ground, Jeon Robinson even
talked about you know, that's not the way. We can't
play that way offensively, even did an interview on NFL
Network talking about it. So it already one practice in
was already resonating with uhh, that's not who we are.
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We got to be better than that. The defense I get,
like I said one the day, Now, it didn't help
that Oldbrick introduced it looked like a couple of blizzes
and you don't have any pads on or anything like that,
just to kind of screw you up in the blocking
schemes a little bit, I think. But you know they're
trying to get better on their side too, and that's
what I talked about. One of the things I asked.
I talked about training camp and we talked about this
shock last week is what are we looking for from
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training camp? Defense Wednesday, offense Wednesday. But you're combining that
competition where they're grinding on each other, where you get
that best possible team as you emerge from August, all
of a sudden, that team it's been grinding on each
other all training camp, now all of a sudden, you
got that best version on both sides of the foot
ball that emerge.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
This is a completely different era of fellas I mean,
and probably an era that that favors the fans because
of social media and because of the developments of media
in general. Again, I go back to my playing days,
our playing days, when when we got finished with a practice,
there were writers that were there and they were writing
articles that got published in the newspaper. The newspaper is
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do y'all remember what those things are and what they
look like, because I remember sitting at breakfast at training
camp and I would read a newspaper hearing about how
they captured the moments from yesterday's practice. There's no more
yesterday anymore. It all ends up bringing out on social
media right now. And so to your point, Arch, we're
getting this this live update of defense won the day.
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But guess what happens in training camp when it's one team.
Either the defense is gonna win or the offense is
gonna win generally, right, sometimes it's going to be a stalemate.
But what did you take away from the first weekend?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
One thing that came to mind here and both you
guys talk about what's happening right now, and we talk
about the fans and the media having these live updates.
How about the players having it as well. And one
thing that came to mind to me was you think
about the last couple days of something's been doing, but
having the video boards out on the field. And I
saw today Michael Penny's climbing in the pocket and he
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was kind of mad. He threw it down because they
didn't complete the ball whatever it was, and he's walking back,
he instantly looks at the board. So you're talking about
getting instant analysis of what happened right now. Another example
what I got you heard today Rahee Moore talking about
Bijon and he said, you know, we had a bad
day on Saturday. And Bijon goes to him saying, coach,
you know what, I would really love to get with
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the players after prize and talk to him right He says, no,
do it right now. Who you need to talk to?
Go find that guy, Go find whoever you need to.
Let's handle it right now on the field. There's the
instant you know, things that you want to have happen
right now. And I think that's one of the things
you talk about with Rohe's talking about how he is
going to change the way he's coaching. He's changed in
the way the mindset of how they go about correcting
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things and getting it done right now, as opposed to
how we used to do it was say we got
to go watch the take first thing you gotta say,
I gotta go see what happened on the field first
of all, I know what happens. Now they got to
instagratification and see what happens. Or heem said the same thing. No,
let's not let this faster at all right now. And
there's something you want to go say to a guy,
go handle it right now. So you love that part
about training camp and the things that they're getting out
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of it right now that's different from when we played
that they can handle right now. But I think the
one thing that comes to mind to me is the
attention to detail that you can see in every drill. Now,
not saying other teams don't do this, but just from
my eyes watching everything to go on, from the things
that going on the dB drills going on with the
offensive line, you see guys, you see coaches talking about
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first steps and actually going through and you see guys
actually taking the first step and then they're talking through it.
You're talking about QB's going through progressions as far as Okay,
here's one, here's two, here's three. You see DJ Williams
talking to Michael Penny Jr. You see the small minute
detail that's going to lead to the bigger things once
you get into those eleven eleven drills, you get into
seven h seven, you get into a game, so that
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you already talked and communicated through. And I've seen that
on both sides of the ball, that attention to detail
when it comes to the small minute details of whatever
the position is and trying to make sure they're doing
it the right way.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Shock it's great that you walk our viewers and listeners
through that, because there are people that are not part
of the fifteen thousand that get to come watch practice,
and and when you make a comment like that, they
may not know exactly what you're talking about. They're may
be trying to envision in their head, well, what are
those adjustments, what are those attention to details that he's
actually talking about. So I think it's good that that
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you kind of walk folks through that. There were some
interesting storylines that came up over the weekend. One of
the biggest was, of course, Darnell Moody Mooney and the
shoulder injury, saying that he's going to miss a few weeks.
And I don't want to use the word subsequent because
the discussion was DJ Hark was already scheduled to be
worked out, so it's not necessarily in reaction to Darnell Mooney,
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but he was signed. And so you guys actually talked
a little bit about wide receivers before we came on
the podcast today, So Arch I want to have you
kind of touch on a little bit of the Mooney
Chark situation, but maybe the wide receivers as a whole,
what you've seen so far and where do you need
to see some growth during this training came.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Well, certainly growth is a is a good call rack
and that I think this is a group that you
don't know a lot about other than Drake London, Raray McLeod,
Darnell Mooney, Caderrel Hodge and then and then it's kind
of an obscure group. We saw Chris Blair some light
play last year, but it's a group at Casey Washington,
a guy they drafted got banged up a year ago,
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was on some special teams. But this is an opportunity
for him to step up. So there's there's opportunities here
from guys that maybe you knew a little bit about
in college that that are now giving you the opportunity.
Now the Mooney, I don't want to call an injury,
brush up, whatever you want to call it. I think
it gives an opportunity for other guys to step up.
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Like I talked about, the one thing that's interesting Rack
to me is Okay, a lot of a lot of gms,
a lot of coaches will build their rosters so a
guy can step in. There's a guy that's a lot
like that, they'll step in. Moony's a different dude. There's
long speed there, he's got some short air of quickness.
He's a really good route runner. So you start trying
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to find he's a smaller guy, and all of a sudden,
Ray May McCloud is the guy that has emerged that's
going to play that position. And now Caderill Hodge steps
up to where Ray Ray would play, and so you
start finding out about your depth a little bit. I
think it's an area, in my opinion, that they're not
sure about you. I think Djhark comes in here with
an opportunity to make the club. He's not just in
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here as a can't body. This a long speed guy
that a monster year. Is his second year in the league,
over a thousand yards, was a was a pro bowler
and in the last three or four years has had
injuries and adult stuff, and it's kind of bounced around
the league a little bit. This might be an opportunity
for him to find a home here well.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And Arch listening to the live show Terry Fontineau talking
about how Eastern Stick worked out with him in the
offseason and said that he looked great. And remember this
is a do you talk about the difference between him
and Darnell Mooney. This is six three, two hundred and
a guy that ran four to three four on the
combine coming out of school. So you don't know whether
or not all that long speed is still there, But
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you're trusting number one Eastern Stick and what he saw
in the off season. Number two trusting the Falcons what
they saw on the workout. But ultimately number three shock
is what does he do in training camp? Can he
rekindle a little bit of what he did in that
second year in the league when he was over a
thousand yards and can he be an impact player that
you know, is experience that has a lot of starts
under his belt. Maybe just maybe he's got an opportunity
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to make.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
The club and you can only hope that.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
And I think they feel good about the body of
work that he's bringing in. And obviously, like you guys mentioned,
there was a time where this guy was a really
good receiver in this league and play really well. And
here's a guy that you know working out with Eastern
stick in the off season. Eastern is telling them, hey,
this is kind of the stuff we do. So he
can go back and kind of say, you know what,
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I remember running these type of routes because I remember
him talking on an interview saying, you know what, I
was just doing stuff that Eastern said, you know, these
are the routes that we run. So you're talking about
coming in and have a familiarity with some of the
things they're already doing.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It helps you.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
And like I said, you ain't coming in here just
to be a body. You come to here to kind
of fill a void. You come to here to be
a guy that we can actually depend on. So only
time of tail obviously, these preseason games will be big
for him, but these these training camp prices are big
as well. They're gonna have a chance to go against
the Tennessee Titans when they come here. That's another chance
to compete. So it's going to be fun to see
how he progresses through training him and if he can
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actually ask some value, because I'm sure he's that kind
of body that they would love to have on the perimeter.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I think it's interesting too guys that guys that sense
the opportunity, and sometimes you have to be around a
little while to sense that opportunity.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Right rack.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I mean a guy like Casey Washington. I had a
chance to talk with him post practice today and he talked.
You could see it he was a different guy. He
could see that there was a there was not a tenseness,
but ascension, a focus, if you will, that he understood,
there's an opportunity here for me to now take that
next step, not just be an extra guy, a six
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to receiver on the team. Here's an opportunity for me
to be on the field, not just on special teams,
but on the field. And you wonder, and young guys
have a tough time. They just want to make the club.
They wanted to Nick Nash as a kid that I
think has a lot of potential. I think Quincy Skinner
is a guy that has some potential young young receivers.
But there's a it's a DeVault metal type thing where
you start looking at Casey Washington, he knows what the
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flavor is he needs to go, you know, get his
and you can sense that. So at Chris Blair is
the same way. I think that they sense that there's
some opportunities, which I think guys rise to the occasional opportunities.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
One thing, fellas, you know, when you work with people,
sometimes you don't like them and you like you step
back afterwards and you like want to fight them, and like,
I've never thought that way about you guys. So that's
a good thing. I guess. Maybe that's the reason why
I was three or together, so I don't ever really
want to fight with you guys. This past weekend there
was some tussles on the field, which all three of
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us know is just part of training camp. It's nothing
to be alarmed about. Maybe some of the fans that
go sit on the hill when they see that breakout,
they're probably like, oh my gosh, like are they gonna
be Okay, is this is this team gonna fall up? Look,
it is normal, Okay, it is very normal. Now, there's
obviously the balance of tenacity versus their your teammates, right,
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but we would all agree that this stuff happens. Did
it escalate too much this past weekend? Or in your
guys opinion, was it just normal shock? Let's start with you.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I've been a part of a few teams where we've
had some tussles and what I saw from that that
was mild. I mean, okay, I mean, of course it
was you know, it was you know, some grabbing a face,
masks and pushing and all that kind of stuff. But
I've seen some fights throughout the time I was here
as Atlanta Falcon as well as when I was in
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college that things got a little out of hand.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You're like, those dudes can't be friends to more, like so.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
They going to have coffee together?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I think I think you.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
As people know it's hot outside. I mean, just think
about how many times if you're hot and you're walking
around outside and you just got dudes just keep pushing, you,
keep agitating, you punch you across your head a little bit,
give you a little jab in the in the rib caves,
you're gonna be a little hot too, and sometimes you
may snap back and it's it's okay because I think
it shows, like you mentioned, some intensity, but it shows
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a little passion, shows you care. It shows that guys, uh,
you know, it's not gonna allow a guy just to
push around. And one guy who's a party it was
James Prince Junior, like a rookie and you don't want
to see. And sometimes I knew I some offensive lineing
during my time that would try a guy just to
see if this guy had a little bit of dog
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in it, or to see if this dude got a
little bit of edge and if he gonna fight back,
And that tells you a lot about your teammate.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
If I pushed this guy.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Around and he just walks away and don't say nothing,
You're like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
You know what I'm saying. I count on you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
It got I count on on the fourth down when
I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
If it get tough, well, this dude, you know he's
square for me, and for me, I don't mind it.
I know you don't want too much of it because
coach Moore said, Hey, it takes away from the time
you go to practice. Want to get back to it.
We want to make sure that we're doing supposed to.
But at the end of the day, you got guys
coming to his defense.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
You have my boy Flow coming to his Lettard Floyd
coming to his defense. You got guys coming to you know,
the defense of the offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
So I think it's healthy to have those kind of
skirmishes throughout practice because it means guess what, guys are
going hard, they're competing, and that's what you.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Want, I thought.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Jeff Oldbricks really he was asked about it James Pierce
Junior in particular. Obviously he was kind of at the
center of a couple of these skirmishes, if you will.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
And obviously you.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Can what do they call Jared call put down on
our call sheet.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
He called it.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Kerkfuffles, like it's like a utahs.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
That'll be the last time we use it on this show.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
But but old Brick Brick talked about what Pierce how
he responded, obviously, they there was the reprimands, Hey you
can't do that that your teammate, all this kind of stuff.
But then you kind of dig it because they're fighting
a little bit like Shaq was talking about. But what
what Brick said afterward was he said, I loved the
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guy Pierce was after because practice was about halfway over
when it went down, or a little up throwing the
halfway over. He was better in practice after it went
down than he was maybe even prior to. So he refocused,
re established his idea of what he needs to do
out there to get better, and then competed with his
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teammate and didn't detract from his team trying to get
better as well. So I thought that was pretty cool
that he would he would talk about that. But I know, guys,
we had a guy, a guy named Ron Heller who
was an offensive tackle played in Philly. He wanted to
fight the guy in the first couple of plays of
the game. And it wasn't for the guy, you know,
he challenged the guy. It was to get his blood flown.
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He wanted to fight the dude. So he was in
because he was a really nice guy off the field.
But he had to had to find that dog, as
you guys are talking about, So he had to get
in a fight, punch a guy in the wherever and
all that kind of stuff next to they're fight and
so so there is some method sometimes to the madness stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, I mean this is again remember a army doll or.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
But Keith Brookie, you know so so Brooke got kicked
out of practice, Keith Brooking, Brady Smith and Keenan Fordy,
Mike Johnson, we're kind of the usual suspects when I
was playing. But no, I'll just my last comment on
that is it's hard if you never played this game
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or played anything really competitive to understand what we're talking about.
But like sometimes when somebody like steps to you, if
you know what I mean, or or they get in
your face and they challenge you, it's kind of like that,
oh it's on. And that's to your point about Pierce,
Like after that moment, he was.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Probably like, oh, it's on. Like they turn my buttons on,
it's on, and I'm going to show them who James
Pierce is. But the biggest key is can you combine
that that newfound energy and competitive so you you have
with the mental focus to execute what you're supposed to
do and not let the emotions take over. So anyway,
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fights at at NFL training camps, College High school over
the happens all the time, completely normal. Not right now,
Oh it's on, we got one more, got one more.
I'm gonna combine this last topic here, fellas, because the
as we talked about today's practice, they put on the
pads a little bit. You guys got a chance to
see that. Between the pads and at this stage in
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camp shock, what are the coaches, the front office, or
even the players. What is the focus now where they
are at in camp.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I think a lot of things you can talk about
when the pads come on, But I think first and
foremost it comes to the physicality. Who will be physical,
especially in the trenches. Who is willing to put the
hat in there and and show up in those situations
where you say, oh, we had pads on, I would
have you know, I would have gave you a nice
little thud, you know. I think that's a big part
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of it. I think the other part is this is
the closest you will get to game feeld game action
as far as how guys attack certain guys. And what
I mean by that is how guys doing like pass pro.
So you got a running back and you got to
blind back a coming in with no pads on. It's
hard to tell. All they're just gonna fluff, they'll go around.
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But now this libe I can come in. He can
put his hat right on you, and will you stand
up and be right there for it? Or in the
run game we saw today in eleven on eleven, who's
gonna be able to use their physicality to move that
guy in front of them to create a hole or
to stibul guy yep to stand there and is that
linebacker don't fill that gap? And what they do now
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was you call a thud. You get in there, you
put your hat, you put your shoulder pads on them,
and you just let them know, hey, I'm here. And
that's a big part of it. So I think the
physicality is a big part of it and making it
as realistic as you can when it comes to fits,
when it comes to the aggression of getting down here,
and I think that's a big part of it, which
guys are actually going to actually show that, Hey, if
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we're playing a game, I put my hat on this guy,
it's gonna be real.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Combine the physicality with what you're talking about the mental
piece of the rack and Divine Diablo today was a
monster on defense. I mean he was coming downhill, going
and through blocks of guards and centers trying to get him,
blowing the run game up. I also saw Nowzle Ryan Noozl,
who's now your new starting center, I'll played eight games
a year ago as a starter, and he he and
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Matthew Berger on work on a on a stunt where
a linebackers coming second level nose tackle went outside to
try to take the guard out in the in the
and the linebacker looped to the inside. They pass that
off perfect perfectly. Pennick sat in the pocket and found
U Jean Robinson who was coming out of the backfield
on a little corn route on the backfield for a touchdown.
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I mean, just those So the we've gone through the
mental stuff. We've done it on the board, we've walked
through it. But now there's the physical piece that you
actually have to get it done. Like you're talking about shock. Okay, yeah,
I can put my hand out there. Yeah I would
have had you you know if I Now, you have
to get him, you know, and you got to put
the hands on him. You got to get the pads
on him. Are you square on people? So the technique
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along with the mental piece of that in the physicality
all comes together.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
And arts on that play, whether bijon. Another good thing
you learned from what having pads on is can you
block a guy when he's coming around the edge. That
same play, Pierce comes around the edge on Jake Matthews
and they call a hold on Jake Matthews right there,
saying that he got under him or whatever. You've got
a tug and you bring that back. If you don't
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have pads on, he probably just pushes and runs him by.
But because you have those pads on, now Piers can
actually fight through Jake and now he has a hole.
So a lot of interesting things you can get from
having the pads on. That helps you have a realistic
picture of what's going on in the game.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And I don't want to take anything away from the
skill or the speed position players, but when to me, guys,
when the pads come on, it's about the trenches. It's
about run game, and it's about line of scrimmage. And
you guys kind of hit on most of the big points.
But it's working those combination blocks in the run game.
It's passing off stunts in the passing game. But the
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flip side of it too, is also the defensive front.
Which of your defensive tackles are gonna be able to
hold their ground, Which guys can you count on that
are going to be able to fight off double teams,
that are going to be able to stay in the
A gap when that's their responsibility and they're not getting
moved out of there, And you can look at and
you can say that guy's got to be on the
field when we're in rundown situations. Right, So many things there.
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What you guys were talking about blitz pick up with
running backs, like are they going to be able to
sit down in the chair and pick somebody up coming
through the tackle box? Are coming around the edge?
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
All those things are so important to see once the
pads come on. Yeah, there's some benefits to the wide receivers,
like are they still running fast out there? Yeah, that's great.
I mean they thudd and so on and so forth.
Safety is coming in the box. But to me, by
and large, it's what's happening with the offense, defensive line, linebackers,
and running backs and how all those guys are faring
now that the pads are coming on. I wrote down
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four things as far as this phase of camp, but
I want to see if you guys agree with this, okay,
understanding of plays and responsibilities right, knowing where you're supposed
to go, and then lack of missed assignments. Right, That's
what coaches want to see is can you take what
you learn in meeting rooms in the classroom, bring it
out to the field and then not make mistakes. That's
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the biggest way to get on the field is if
the coaches have faith that you are not going to
make mistakes when you were out there. Ability to play
fast was my third one, and then you guys talked
about it. Execute. Can you actually do what you're supposed
to do? Can you complete passes? Can you catch the ball?
Are you there to square up to make tackles? Can
you execute combination blocks? Can you get off a combination blocks?
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Can you get around the edge as a pass rusher?
These are all things that actually have to happen on
game day for you to be successful. To me, this
is where camp gets to is are these players able
to do those four things? And probably many others, but
those are the four that I highlight as the most important.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
And I had something very similar written down and it
was to the point of who can mentally and physically
sustain it through the new installs because you got lot
of stuff going on? Can you play faster after every
day is a different is you're putting in something different
adding to what all you have already. Okay, who can
mentally and physically do it? And then you're talking about
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you also gotta fight with the heat. I mean it's
a real deal. It's hot outside and you run around.
You got these pads on first time, you're really going.
It's different from when you're working out in the off
season and you're outside, you got the pads on it,
you're trying to simulate it. But now you got real
deal competition, you got installed, you got the heat, you
got you know, trying to make sure you're in the
right spot. Can you mentally and physically do it and
(33:28):
sustain it over a period of time so that you're
not making the same mistakes, You're not doing the routine
errors because you're a little hot, or you're a little
you're a little tired. Now you got these pads on
it, it's a little bit hotter than some one hundregrees outside.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Who can do that? I think they really want to.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Pay attention to those guys who can sustain it over
a period of time. Now, this was the first day,
everybody probably felt good about it. You're still you know,
a week in the camp, but who's gonna do that
when we get to next week when you're in practice
number nine or ten.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I think the other piece to it, guys, is the
coaching piece to it too, is we're trying to discover who,
excuse me, are going to be the fifty three guys
and then maybe those sixteen guys on practice squad and
you start formulating thoughts. But you're trying to find the
guys who are going to line up and play for
and go win games. So how do I adjust the
flavor of different guys playing together. So that's the coaching
(34:16):
piece to it. Yes, they're teaching, but they're also you know,
you're talked about the players stepping up and doing all
the kinds of I'm trying to step up as a coach.
I need to put the right guys in position. Today
Xavier Watch was on the field with Jesse Jesse Bates
in the back end. You know that hadn't that hadn't happened.
So now they got the rookie out there with with
the venerable one and Bates And how did those two
(34:37):
communicate with one another? You know, guys rotating in Billy
Bowman rotating at that nickel spot. You know how those
how do the edge guys combined with one another? Some
of the stunts that we can now do physically, Like
you guys are talking about, how do they execute those?
Is Anya, Mada and Floyd on the same page? You
know when they start doing that? What do I need
to do to tweak that? So it's not just a
player perspective, it's the coaches. They're trying to adjust their
(35:00):
thought process is who do I need on the field
and this down a distant situation. What two guys are
communicating the way they need to And who do I
need to bullsh Who do I need to pick it
up a little bit? Hey, you need to do more
of this? You know, all those kinds of things. So
it's not just the players as the coaches are trying
to adjust as well.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Fellas. We are just scratching the surface, just scratching the surface.
But guess what training camp is officially underway.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
It's on.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
It is on that's going to wrap it up for
this week and the Falcons Audible presented by AT and T.
We'll be back here as we record for the most
part on Tuesdays, and you guys will consume it whenever
you guys take in your podcast material. But we got
a lot to talk about next week as the Falcons
are getting ready for some scrimmaging and of course some
joint practices coming up on the docket as well, so
we're able to break some of that stuff down. But
(35:44):
we'll have a lot of stuff to talk about as
far as the actual practices that we have seen. Maybe
we'll get into some new names that we haven't discussed yet.
But I know a lot of you out there are
so excited to not only see some of these free
agents and how they're fitting into this team, but also
this rookie draft class that we're expecting so much from
obviously the pass rushers, but in the back end as well.
Hopefully we'll be able to detail it for you all
(36:06):
in much more next week. As I said, that's gonna
wrap it up for today's Falcons Audible presented by AT
and T. That's DJ Shockley. That is the day of
Archer respect on that name don't forget it is Deratley
and we're gonna have a kerfuffle now once you get
out of here. I'm happy to be back with my fellows.
Thanks so much for joining us. Everybody, We will see
you next time.
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