July 10, 2025 • 31 mins
Tori McElhaney and Will McFadden are deep in their bag this summer, and today they make a tier list of football position groups...based on swag! They debate which positions need the most swag, and what that even means, putting them into groups like God-Tier Swag and Dad Swag. Do you agree with their list?
0:00 - Intro
3:40 - WR, HC, ILB, CB, RB
15:10 - LS, DT, S, QB, EDGE
26:35 - KR/PR, TE, P, OL
29:18 - Outro
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dirty birds. What's up? And welcome back to the Atlanta
Falcons podcast Network. I'm your host, Will mcfad and I
am joined today by Tory mclaney and summer is moving
right along. To Tory, I want to know what's your
favorite summer snack which been munching on.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So I'm a big fan of an apple on the beach.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Okay, like not just you don't get sand in the
apple now because you hold it like sure, yeah, and
then when you are done, you throw it out of seagull.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Don't hit the seagull.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
But like there's wind and like sand does get blown
around from time to time.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, But I just I do love a specifically an
apple on the beach. It just hits different. Big fan
of some stwabewies, love love strawberries, and then I recently
have gotten into the like pretzels that are like the
honey mustard flavored pretzels slash the buffalo flavored pretzels. Big
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fan of those. I don't know what they're called and
it's escaping me, but I can chowd down on those.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
No I know exactly what they do have. One of
them does have the mustardy flavor to it. I love those.
I'm not a big pretzel guy in general, You're not,
I think, I know, I don't know. They're just kind
of bland, like they don't really have a flavor to
How dare you if I'm getting my sodium ins take,
I can just do like the flavor like chips like
a normal person.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Sure, that's the flavor.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'm salty enough as it is. I don't think I
need any more sodium. My sodium levels through the roof.
I think I tend more towards like the watermelon, grape
kind of like those things. Yeah, we're healthy traditional.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
This is a healthy podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I need to hydrate too. In the summer, it's hot.
It's hot down here in Georgia. So we're gonna be
talking today about, you know, kind of the hottest positions
in football in terms of attitude and demeanor and swag.
And that's what today is all about, Tori. We're talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Swag, the summer of swag.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
There we go. You want to explain how we kind
of landed on this idea. It even came.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
About, Yes, it was actually from a podcast that we
did around Mini Camp where we just so happened to
be talking like Who's like, which position group do you
think is like the swaggiest position group? Because we were
talking about the CoNEXT of like nickel corner and how
you have to have a certain type of demeanor when
you play certain positions and each position kind of has
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a slightly different demeanor that you have to have, and
it at the time we were joking. He's like, Oh,
this could be a fun podcast segment could be so much.
It could be cool, like we could argue, throw fists
like it would be fun. And then fast forward to
now us sitting here right now, we're doing it. We're
having this conversation and we are going to be ranking
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positions just general not saying that an offensive lineman can't
be swaggy. He surely can, but we're generalizing.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
The position of an offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Do you think of swag Probably not. So we we're
going to get into this ranking. I'm so excited about it.
Do you want to tell them which what the tiers are,
because we're doing this in a tier type of listickle.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, So our tiers for our vibe valuations are gods here,
that's number one. We got swag Master, it's number two,
low key swag number three, fourth and final Dad swag,
which I lobbied against a little bit. I'd take you
just after Father's Day. You know, it's just you know,
a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But it's thick type of swag, you know, like it's
not a lack of swag. It's a different type of swag.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Trust me, I don't think anybody sees me and they're.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Like, swag, what what a swag.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Guy that I know my place? I know my place.
So what we're gonna do is we're gonna draw the
positions out of or from behind our helmet and that way,
it's all kind of random. We're just we don't know
what's coming. We don't know which one we're talking about next,
and we're just going to get into it and debate
some swag levels. So you want to do the honors,
and I.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Would love to. The first one is wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
That's a good one to start off with.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I feel like this one's one of the easiest ones
we could have started off with in the pool. God
tear Wide receivers have to have the most swag of positions.
I feel like on rosters because I disagree with you there, Okay,
here's my thing. Is I think they have to have
the most swag because when you look at the role
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that they have to play, some of the swaggiest and
coolest people that you'll ever meet on a team are
receivers because they have to carry themselves almost on an island.
And I think the counter to that is, like cornerbacks
are in the same kind of position. You're going one
v one all the time, and in order to kind
of have the mindset of not being beat or being
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beat all the time, you have to have kind of
this like short memory and mentality of like, oh I
got beat on this one, no one's gonna come at
me and beat me again type of thing. You have
to have that mindset as a receiver and as a
corner too, not to jump the gun. So I'm putting
receiver in god tear.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Is there any amount of swag that a player can
have where they almost go overboard? And the reason I
ask you this is because when I think about wide receiver, Yeah,
a lot of them have swag, but sometimes and I
would argue with receiver more than maybe any other position,
you get like the swag that veers over into just
like pure unbridled craziness, right, at times, right, like Antonio
Brown or you know any any of those just crazy antics,
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And like, where do you draw the line between that
swag and that's just kind of like crazy? Well, I
guess the article. Can you have swag without a little
bit of crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I think you have to have a little bit of crazy,
Like I think you have to in order to be
god tear level swag. You have to have this certain
point of like a point of no return almost, And
I feel like the people who I often feel like
have that are these receivers. Like we'll just use Drake
London as an example. Yeah, Drake Lennon very swaggy just
in general in his everyday life. He's a super chill guy,
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like has this way about him. He's super cool to
be around. You get on the field and he's a.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Maniac super sayan swag from Drake London on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So so much of his mentality has to do with kind
of being the best of the best, And I think
more often than not, you have receivers who are incredibly
vocal about that as well in their abilities. Like you
think back to like Julio, or you look at like
Mike Evans right now and those guys. The way that
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they play is these are the guys that are in
the spotlight. Yeah, all the time. Outside of quarterbacks, you're
talking about receivers. Probably right underneath the.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Ball gets thrown to you, all eyes in the building
are looking at you, and there's nobody but you and
the guy that's trying to stop you from doing what
you're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So you have to have a different level of mentality
that includes being super cool. Also, let's be real, like
when we're looking at fitpicks on game days, quarterbacks, receivers,
best game deafens.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh, for sure, in my humble opinion, had to do
you replay in my brain. Make sure you said fit
picks and you know, not anything else that we're not.
We're speaking of some fans here, but not maybe the
So yeah, that's going to go into the the gods heer.
I totally agree. I think wide receiver belongs in godsier.
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So let's go ahead and pull our next position group
and it is, Oh, this will be interesting, head coach, fascinating.
Can how much swag do you want your your head
coach to have?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
They have to have a little bit because you're yeah,
you're having to talk to players who have a lot
of bit of swag, so you're having to relate to
them on some level.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I think, is it important, though, for you to express
swag in your introductory press conference or can it be
entirely behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I think I think that there needs to be at
least one moment of swagginess, like one moment of just like, ah,
we made the right.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Decision at the very least, not one moment where there
is the opposite feeling where you're like, oh, no, that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Was not very swaggy, you don't want to do Yeah,
And so I think for me, I would put head
coach at low key swag. I wouldn't necessarily put it
at dad swag because even though there are certain coaches
that I feel like have fantastic dad.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Swag, Andy Reid and Caliber Dawg.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, dadswag, like I think, but I alway, yeah, a
little bit. But then I think of some other guys
like Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Oh, he's he's like a swag master, big swag guy.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So I think low key swag is a nice in
the middle of Like, if we're taking the average head
football coach at the NFL level, you have some guys
who are Dad swaggy, you have some guys who are
pretty swag mastery. We'll go right right in the middle
with Loki swag ahead. Coach has to have low key swag.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
This is like sentence score GAMMI over here, Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Next one, yep, okay, inside linebacker, Let's go.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
God, I'm so glad you're the one asking me this question,
because they are swag masters, if not God t here
I flirted really with God to her swag. Yeah, yeah,
because I think we are. We're not that far removed,
but we act like we are from the days of
Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacker, true and just all of
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these absolute monsters who used to roam the middle of
the field. And I just think that we need to
respect that. For decades, if not centuries, this game was
played with the guy right there in the middle of
the defense being the baddest dude on the field, and
I think we just need to honor that legacy a
little bit, and we don't need to dump these guys
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down into low key your dad's swag territory. They are
swag masters, if not God to But here's the.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Thing, is like, is that the game. Now, think about
the game right now and think about the pretty swaggy right,
he is pretty swaggy, but like that's one guy, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I feel like kayon Nellis is more like cool and
laid back, and it's like, well, I also.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Think that, like you think about the position itself and
how analytically has to be how uh are.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You saying smart guys can't have swag?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No, I'm not saying smart guys can't have swag. It's
a different type of swag. I would argue it's low
key swag. Okay, So I I think that when you're
looking at the position now, the position has lended itself
to a different generation of player and archetype of player.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's interesting, though, why do you think it is that
the middle linebacker position kind of maybe did regress a
little bit in terms.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Of I think it's because like you lost the shoulder pads,
you lost you lost the neck, you lost the neck grace,
and there went the swaggeness and.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
We need Brian Bosworth just neck rolls a yeah, like
bring that back that you lost it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And now it's more about kind of this swiftness of
the position, and it's it's just a different type of
a player, like.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
A right.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Davis, the guys who are going who's stretching the field
sideline side on Smith right, Like those guys are swaggy, yes,
but they're a bit more Again.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You'd almost think they'd be more swaggy, though, you would think.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
That they would be. But I don't think they're presenting
themselves as like super vocal in the sense of like, oh,
I think they're a bit more like, oh, yeah, I'm
the for lack of a better word, you know, like
I know I'm cool. I don't need to like go
out and prove it to anybody. So it's a bit
more low key, is my thought process.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
No, I I totally get that. That makes a lot
of sense. And like Bobby Wagner right, just like could
have dripped swag if you wanted to. He was he
was quiet, he was cerebral, and he was more the leader.
So yes, it's like the examples, the Luke Keekley's, the
Bobby Wagner's, those guys kind of are a little bit
of a far cry from those dudes right in the middle.
But again, you know, I kind of feel so if
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if we're gonna let's maybe go to our pretty you
s for Jared here, yeahs a tiebreaker. I kind of
see writing in the document there. If you want to
declare our tiebreaker swag master, lowag inside linebackers. What you got, Jared?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
What are you putting at Jared? I'm really curious to
see what what producer Jared decides. I think he's thinking.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Low key swag. Ye ready, because he's a b y
you guy.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, Jared, Jared's a b YU guy.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Okay, we go with low key swag and I'm remembering that.
Jared remembering that?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay, all right, So we got head coach and inside
linebacker at low key swag. We have wide receivers, God tear.
Is it your turn? Of your turn?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Pulling? Pulling? Pulling? All right? We have cornerback God freaking
pretty easy. We can tear. Probably move on quickly from
that one.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I have literally never met a cornerback that has a
like normal brain. I feel like you cannot if you
play that position because, to the same point of what
I was saying about receiver, you are on such an island,
and every mistake you make or every good thing you do,
is highlighted tenfold because you could make one mistake in
a game and people are like, Oh, he had a
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bad game because he messed up on this route concept
or whatever and decided to do something that he wasn't
supposed to do, when you could also have three PBUs
in a game and no one's really talking about They're
just talking about that one mistake because you gave it
a touchdown. So I think the level of mess up,
like the ceiling of messing up, is a lot higher
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because so many people see you mess up. And I
think in order to have the bounce back mentality, you
have to be a little bit unhinged.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Tori. If you show me a cornerback with an ounce
of empathy, I will show you a cornerback that I
don't want my team, No, get him out of here.
I want egomaniacs. I want self centered cornerbacks. We're out
there on islands, dukn it out against those crazy divas
on the offensive side. We're going joker again, joker m hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You have to do that. You have to crazy versus crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Crazy likes crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
All right, let's go. Let's go again, because that one
was a very easy one. I think we both that
was number one. All right, running back this one's very
interesting because again I actually would say this mimics to
me inside linebackers.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I see this one more so. I think we're both
on low key swags.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Low key swag for running backs because I do think, like.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Sake, you want some workhorse to your your running backs, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And you want him to have that quiet confidence about him,
like the guy that's just gonna carry the team on
his back yep, and do it in a way that
you're just like.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Go give me Frank Gore, Go give me somebody who's
just gonna work tirelessly for like a decade and a
half and just produce.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, think about the three here's the thing. Think about
the three best running backs in the game right now.
Saquon Barkley, Jamier Gibbs and Jean Rojinhson. Those guys have
a lot of swag, don't get me wrong, but they
also carry themselves in a way that's like they're approachable.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, you know they literally low key swag is the
best descriptor maybe for the running back position of like
any of the discriptions we have. Yeah, great, are there
not in your face about it? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
They're still swaggy.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So now we have onto our next one long snapper whoo,
which I might know Jared is actually two words.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Oh my goodness, a long snapper. We may have our
first Dad swag.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
No, God's here for shit.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I think long snapper and I feel like Liam Culla
friend of the pod, would soon to be dead, so
soon to be Dad, Yes, actual Dad, who he already
I think has a lot of Dad swag. I don't
know a single long snapper who does not exhibit Dad swag.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I actually think it's caused for concern if your long
snapper has anything other than Dad's swag.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
One.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't mean a long snapper who's out here trying
to draw attention to himself.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
If you had a long snapper who was god teer
life level swag, the amount of out.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
There leading the after the game, I.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Truly think that the world would implode. It's like unnatural.
You know. If it's a long snapper with god tear
level swag, would be the.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Kids would have a name for him. It would be
it would be like snap Daddy or whatever we have. Yeah,
it's just the coolest nickname in the world. So good.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Okay, let's do this again. Defensive tackle. This one's interesting.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, this is a good one too, because saying all of.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Them, I know, defensive tackle is the one. I will
be honest with you. As I was thinking about all
the positions, defensive tackle was actually the one that I
had the most issues putting into a category.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It was the one I think I could debate the
most ways.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, I could.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You could tell make an argument for any single one,
maybe outside of God's here, but yeah, but yeah I could.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I lean a little bit towards Dad swag. Wow, I
lean a little bit towards Dad swag because I kind
of think Aaron Donald alone, true.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
That man did I won't, I won't recall the whole thing,
but that man did something inside of Mercedes Benz Stadium
at a game against a former Falcon Den alone takes
me out of that.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Also, now that I say that aloud, and now that
you've put me in my place where I needed to
be put, I think Grady Jarrett would actually rip me
a new one if he said if I said that
he had Dad swag or even played in a position
that had Dad swag.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, it's tough. I think low key swag is the
lowest it could be. Yeah, and that is where Ultimately,
I think I landed with it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, but I think it's Swagmaster, a low key swag
and I kind of think.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
That here's the thing. If I'm if I'm putting inside
linebacker at low key swag, I have to put defensive
tackle at low key.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I think so too. Yeah, yeah, man, we don't really
have any swag swag Masters. It's kind of all or
nothing or it's just the luck of the draw so.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Far, that's true. We have we have a little bit
left to do, so all right, safety Yeah, okay, So
my thing with safety is and this was a conversation
that we actually had before we were even doing this
is because we were going back and forth between the
difference between aura and swag and I said, there are
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certain position groups that I think have an aura about them.
It's not necessarily swagginess. It's it's more of just like
a state of being, and that honestly has kind of
shifted as we're ranking. That shift to me has gone
along with like swag Master. And so I would put
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safety in swag Master because they have the upside of
being super like swaggy out on an island type of
guy who just gets stuff done. But then they also
have this like low key thing where they're like, you know,
sometimes like things are happening in front of them and
they're just like, yeah, you'll handle it.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
The safety position me maybe more than any other position,
is like the Jedi. It's like you've got the sith
or you've got like the actual Jedi, and you either
have like a Tyron Matthew just kind of like crazy,
I'm running all around the field, or like I'm a
cam Chancellor trying to take your head off every single time.
They're on the dark side, they're just out for evil.
Then you've got the cool, calm collected like yes you
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will let us in like they're doing mind tricks on
like the quarterback position, right, and that's your Jesse Bates,
that's you know, Earl Thomas, like those types of players.
It's really you wrote about fire and Ice with Billy
Bowman and Xavir Watts. It is that more than maybe
any other position, the safety position. So I like swag master,
be a master of both.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, either a Jedi master or Sith Lord.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
One get one or the other. All right, Oh yes, you're.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Also do you like my little like noises that maybe smelevator. Quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Ooh, okay, QB, this one. This is I'm interesting to
see where you go with this, So why don't you
go first?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Okay? Quarterback. I also had in the same category as safety.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Wow, okay, because I.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Kind of thought that you you need to have all
eyes are on you, so you need to have a
level of accountability with your own self and also ability
to lead. And I think a lot of like a
lot of the best leaders have like the charisma of
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being leaders. I think that's what makes them good leaders
is you have to have a little bit of charisma
and you have to be able to win people over.
And I think some of the best quarterbacks kind of
have that nature about them, and that I do, in
this sense of football associate with swagginess. So like I
wouldn't put them at god teer because you don't always
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see them have this god till tier level of swag.
But I would say eight times out of ten, regardless
of who the quarterback is, he has to have that
in order to be successful at the position. Sure, that's
my that's my point.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I just don't know if I feel comfortable putting a
position once manned by Chad Pennington and Peyton Manning, and.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
That's not what the game is. All those Jake Daniels,
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Daniel and Jones, Okay, the Derek Carr, Like what are
we doing here? I don't know if they're swag masters.
If anything, I think no other position should encapsulate low
key swag ideally than quarterback. All the Jalen Hurts low
key swag, Josh Allen low key swag, Lamar Jackson low
key they're not talked about in those ways.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
But here's the thing is I see like that is
like it's yeah, way they carry themselves, But you think
about also the way other people look at them and
talk about them, like, oh, I'm following that guy to
the ends of the earth.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
But I think that's low key swag. I think I
think if you're out here like talking all the time,
hyping yourself up, is like I need to have all
this swag and look at me like that actually comes
off as the wrong way for a quarterback. If you're
kind of talking about yourself too much, which I think
you have to to be a swag master. You gotta
want that spotlight and draw it on yourself and kind
of turn it to you a little bit. Yeah, for
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the quarterback, I think that right mixes low key swag.
It's like you got the confidence you step into the huddle,
but everybody's looking at you because you have low key swag,
not because you're like, look at me. I got feathers
on my head and I'm just calling all attention to myself.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Fair. Fair, we can put him, we can put I can.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You're trying to fill up swag Master. There's only you
know one, there's only one.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Really, am trying to fill a.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Low key swag positions? I know, Yeah in football according
to us, I don't know, JAREDA. You got you got
any take on that one way or the other. You
feel strongly about quarterbacks? Oh love it? Oh yeah, low
key swag because swag Master is too much. Okay, well said,
well said, thank you for your insight. All right, So
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you drew that one, right, I'm not jumping the gun.
Mm hm cool?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Holder?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Why do I keep looking at that camera? Holder? Holder
is the position?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Question is it's more of a role role.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It's a role it like and you oftentimes at the
college level you'll see quarterbacks the holder yeat the level
that we're in now, Bradley, Like your punter usually.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Was the swag of the role dependent upon the position
occupying the role. Yes, okay. So so if if if
Jesse Bates went out there and held for young Way
Cup and it would be it would be a slag
master role.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yes, okay, I think this. The older holder is a
revolving swag.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
If Raheem Morris is out there holding it's low key swag.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, rotating swag dependent upon the position the holder.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
The swag is in the eye of the holder. There
you go. I was trying were like eight there. It
was close.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Honestly, I'll give that one to you.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Thank you so much, Judges, judges, thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Let's pull the crowd edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yes, let's go edge rush this. This is a swag master.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Swag master for sure. I don't have anything more to
say other than they have their own celebrations. Yes, you know,
like every you know you always see like, oh the corners,
like the lockdown thing or the like I see.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Your I do. I'm a big fan of the same.
That's how you know corners are God's here because buckling
your seatbelt has never looked as cool as when they
do it. Safety has never looked as cool.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Safety within the safeties in the corners. So with ed rusher,
the fact that like guys have their own sticks, like
Kalaias Campbell with the a S fall swing, Matthew Judan
with the like wiping Grady jar with Honestly he.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Didn't really do it was more like scream.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
But it was always Dave Archers like you shall not pass.
Like there are just marquee things that I think each
edge rusher, especially the ones that are like really producing
at a high level when you're talking about like Pro
Bowl caliber guys, those are the ones that they all
have a thing. They all have a thing, which I
guess Grady jar that he's not an edge rusher that
was stupid at comparison, but like you know, but they
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have their thing, right, and I think because of that
they're swag masters.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Do you think that kind of those celebration dances are
the NFL's equivalent for an edge rusher to like getting
an NBA shoe line. Do you think you have to
have one of those that is almost like identifiable to
be like, oh and now you're you're in that separate
tier as an edge rusher.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, maybe I also think that have you ever seen
like the tiktoks of the guys who would do like
the batting stances of certain players in Major League Baseball?
I think like and yeah, yeah, I think it's more
of like a calling card, like a very specific calling
card than maybe like, oh.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Because it's signature.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, okay, Like I think that in each person, I
don't think it means that you've reached a level.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Should they do glove lines for wide receivers? Sorry, I'm
all over the place. Well, I was just thinking about
merchandise pin.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
In that conversation. But I do think it's like an
individual thing, and I don't think you have to reach
a certain level of like a dresser in order to
have like your own thing.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's that's fair, all right. Next one is kick slash
punt returner.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think you have to have. I think they're a
bit uh swag mastery.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
They are swag mastery. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I think that they have to be able to carry themselves.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I think just catching a ball, like we just being
able to talk about being in the spotlight, the balls
up in the air. You're the only it's like it's
coming to me.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Literally, there are only right lights on you and you
have to handle that, and then you know that there
are two hundred and fifty pounds men all out sprinting
at you.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It's the definition of like you have one job on
the holder, Like you have one job.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You have one job, and it's to like try and
get past these people.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I would argue, it's just a guesting ball in and
of itself is hard gosh.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Okay, So swag Master for kick punt returning, yeap, okay,
tight end, tight end my old position. Okay. So this
is another one that I think is very reminiscent of
inside linebackers where the position has changed. If you're talking
about tight end of fifteen twenty years ago, I would
say Dad swag immediately. However, I don't know if you
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can say that with George Kittle, Travis Kelce, like Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I think it's low key swash.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Low key swash.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Sure, yeah, because I and the only reason I think
it is low key swag. I actually think you're right.
It's trending towards like swag master, right, more than it
is Dad swag. But you do still have you know
your Charlie warners, no, no shot to Charlie Warner, but
it's like he's not a swag master. Yeah, right, so
you tight end the duality of that position still lends
itself to to that.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
All right, we have two left. I'm gonna do both
of these.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Punter punter. I think, you know what, I really really
personally want to put it in god t here because
I just think that's so funny. And Johnny Hecker is
my personal God.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
So no, put them in god t Heer punter has
to be in Dad swag.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's it's obviously in Dad swags, but I just wanted
to give a shout.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Out, okay in this. Honestly, I think this is a
good one to end on offensive line.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, there's uh contains multitudes.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
But ultimately, ultimately, if you're thinking of an offensive lineman,
this stereotypical offensive lineman Dad swag absolutely like and there's
no there's no if ans or butts about it, Like
this was the easiest one.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, and if if there is a swag on an
offensive line, it's going to be country boy swag.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Good point. So, like, I don't know Matthew Matthew bergeron
for sure, he's.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I think I'm me. I'm speaking purely in generalities across
the league generally, you're you're kind of getting that, so yeah,
that that falls into more the dad's wag vibe anyway,
So I think offensive line with you.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
That was I think that was it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
That was it. That was it. We emptied the Cup.
We did a good job. So thank you guys so
much for going on this journey with us. It was
it was like a totally random thought exercise. How'd you
think it went?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I liked it. I had fun. I'm curious to see
what the people think if they want us to do
more rankings. I really liked the like blind rankings of
it all. And I honestly think next time we do this,
if we ever do it, we should only you can
only have three spots in each something.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, like we have to meet certain criteria or thresholds
or prose.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, that would be so next time if we bring
this back in another way and we're ranking, I think
blind rankings within the tier system.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, if you guys have any suggestions for games or
types of conversations or any any type of content you'd
like see on the show, let us know. I mean
that's kind of what this period has been it's summer,
we can come up with some fun ideas and this
is one of them. So we hope to do a
lot more stuff like that next year. But we've got
training camp just a couple of weeks away, so get excited.
It's going to be a lot of fun. We've got
an interview with Ben Solak coming next week to kind
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of tide you over between now and then. But it's
great deep dive. If you want to get smarter about
Falcons football, please go listen to that. But anything else
you want to mention before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Sorry, I think this conversation proved that Will and I
are not swaggy.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Nope, Dad swag all the way. I low key swag.
You're higher than me.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Thank you. I'll take low key swag. I'll take it.
I don't know if I could go much higher than.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
That multiple time award winner. That's low key swag in
my book. Thank you all right, Thank you guys so
much for listening. For Tory mclaney, I'm Will McFadden. We'll
see you next time.
Dirty birds. What's up? And welcome back to the Atlanta
Falcons podcast Network. I'm your host, Will mcfad and I
am joined today by Tory mclaney and summer is moving
right along. To Tory, I want to know what's your
favorite summer snack which been munching on.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So I'm a big fan of an apple on the beach.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Okay, like not just you don't get sand in the
apple now because you hold it like sure, yeah, and
then when you are done, you throw it out of seagull.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Don't hit the seagull.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
But like there's wind and like sand does get blown
around from time to time.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, But I just I do love a specifically an
apple on the beach. It just hits different. Big fan
of some stwabewies, love love strawberries, and then I recently
have gotten into the like pretzels that are like the
honey mustard flavored pretzels slash the buffalo flavored pretzels. Big
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fan of those. I don't know what they're called and
it's escaping me, but I can chowd down on those.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
No I know exactly what they do have. One of
them does have the mustardy flavor to it. I love those.
I'm not a big pretzel guy in general, You're not,
I think, I know, I don't know. They're just kind
of bland, like they don't really have a flavor to
How dare you if I'm getting my sodium ins take,
I can just do like the flavor like chips like
a normal person.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Sure, that's the flavor.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'm salty enough as it is. I don't think I
need any more sodium. My sodium levels through the roof.
I think I tend more towards like the watermelon, grape
kind of like those things. Yeah, we're healthy traditional.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
This is a healthy podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I need to hydrate too. In the summer, it's hot.
It's hot down here in Georgia. So we're gonna be
talking today about, you know, kind of the hottest positions
in football in terms of attitude and demeanor and swag.
And that's what today is all about, Tori. We're talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Swag, the summer of swag.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
There we go. You want to explain how we kind
of landed on this idea. It even came.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
About, Yes, it was actually from a podcast that we
did around Mini Camp where we just so happened to
be talking like Who's like, which position group do you
think is like the swaggiest position group? Because we were
talking about the CoNEXT of like nickel corner and how
you have to have a certain type of demeanor when
you play certain positions and each position kind of has
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a slightly different demeanor that you have to have, and
it at the time we were joking. He's like, Oh,
this could be a fun podcast segment could be so much.
It could be cool, like we could argue, throw fists
like it would be fun. And then fast forward to
now us sitting here right now, we're doing it. We're
having this conversation and we are going to be ranking
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positions just general not saying that an offensive lineman can't
be swaggy. He surely can, but we're generalizing.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
The position of an offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Do you think of swag Probably not. So we we're
going to get into this ranking. I'm so excited about it.
Do you want to tell them which what the tiers are,
because we're doing this in a tier type of listickle.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, So our tiers for our vibe valuations are gods here,
that's number one. We got swag Master, it's number two,
low key swag number three, fourth and final Dad swag,
which I lobbied against a little bit. I'd take you
just after Father's Day. You know, it's just you know,
a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But it's thick type of swag, you know, like it's
not a lack of swag. It's a different type of swag.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Trust me, I don't think anybody sees me and they're.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Like, swag, what what a swag.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Guy that I know my place? I know my place.
So what we're gonna do is we're gonna draw the
positions out of or from behind our helmet and that way,
it's all kind of random. We're just we don't know
what's coming. We don't know which one we're talking about next,
and we're just going to get into it and debate
some swag levels. So you want to do the honors,
and I.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Would love to. The first one is wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
That's a good one to start off with.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I feel like this one's one of the easiest ones
we could have started off with in the pool. God
tear Wide receivers have to have the most swag of positions.
I feel like on rosters because I disagree with you there, Okay,
here's my thing. Is I think they have to have
the most swag because when you look at the role
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that they have to play, some of the swaggiest and
coolest people that you'll ever meet on a team are
receivers because they have to carry themselves almost on an island.
And I think the counter to that is, like cornerbacks
are in the same kind of position. You're going one
v one all the time, and in order to kind
of have the mindset of not being beat or being
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beat all the time, you have to have kind of
this like short memory and mentality of like, oh I
got beat on this one, no one's gonna come at
me and beat me again type of thing. You have
to have that mindset as a receiver and as a
corner too, not to jump the gun. So I'm putting
receiver in god tear.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Is there any amount of swag that a player can
have where they almost go overboard? And the reason I
ask you this is because when I think about wide receiver, Yeah,
a lot of them have swag, but sometimes and I
would argue with receiver more than maybe any other position,
you get like the swag that veers over into just
like pure unbridled craziness, right, at times, right, like Antonio
Brown or you know any any of those just crazy antics,
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And like, where do you draw the line between that
swag and that's just kind of like crazy? Well, I
guess the article. Can you have swag without a little
bit of crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I think you have to have a little bit of crazy,
Like I think you have to in order to be
god tear level swag. You have to have this certain
point of like a point of no return almost, And
I feel like the people who I often feel like
have that are these receivers. Like we'll just use Drake
London as an example. Yeah, Drake Lennon very swaggy just
in general in his everyday life. He's a super chill guy,
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like has this way about him. He's super cool to
be around. You get on the field and he's a.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Maniac super sayan swag from Drake London on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So so much of his mentality has to do with kind
of being the best of the best, And I think
more often than not, you have receivers who are incredibly
vocal about that as well in their abilities. Like you
think back to like Julio, or you look at like
Mike Evans right now and those guys. The way that
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they play is these are the guys that are in
the spotlight. Yeah, all the time. Outside of quarterbacks, you're
talking about receivers. Probably right underneath the.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Ball gets thrown to you, all eyes in the building
are looking at you, and there's nobody but you and
the guy that's trying to stop you from doing what
you're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So you have to have a different level of mentality
that includes being super cool. Also, let's be real, like
when we're looking at fitpicks on game days, quarterbacks, receivers,
best game deafens.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh, for sure, in my humble opinion, had to do
you replay in my brain. Make sure you said fit
picks and you know, not anything else that we're not.
We're speaking of some fans here, but not maybe the
So yeah, that's going to go into the the gods heer.
I totally agree. I think wide receiver belongs in godsier.
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So let's go ahead and pull our next position group
and it is, Oh, this will be interesting, head coach, fascinating.
Can how much swag do you want your your head
coach to have?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
They have to have a little bit because you're yeah,
you're having to talk to players who have a lot
of bit of swag, so you're having to relate to
them on some level.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I think, is it important, though, for you to express
swag in your introductory press conference or can it be
entirely behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I think I think that there needs to be at
least one moment of swagginess, like one moment of just like, ah,
we made the right.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Decision at the very least, not one moment where there
is the opposite feeling where you're like, oh, no, that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Was not very swaggy, you don't want to do Yeah,
And so I think for me, I would put head
coach at low key swag. I wouldn't necessarily put it
at dad swag because even though there are certain coaches
that I feel like have fantastic dad.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Swag, Andy Reid and Caliber Dawg.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, dadswag, like I think, but I alway, yeah, a
little bit. But then I think of some other guys
like Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Oh, he's he's like a swag master, big swag guy.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So I think low key swag is a nice in
the middle of Like, if we're taking the average head
football coach at the NFL level, you have some guys
who are Dad swaggy, you have some guys who are
pretty swag mastery. We'll go right right in the middle
with Loki swag ahead. Coach has to have low key swag.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
This is like sentence score GAMMI over here, Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Next one, yep, okay, inside linebacker, Let's go.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
God, I'm so glad you're the one asking me this question,
because they are swag masters, if not God t here
I flirted really with God to her swag. Yeah, yeah,
because I think we are. We're not that far removed,
but we act like we are from the days of
Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacker, true and just all of
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these absolute monsters who used to roam the middle of
the field. And I just think that we need to
respect that. For decades, if not centuries, this game was
played with the guy right there in the middle of
the defense being the baddest dude on the field, and
I think we just need to honor that legacy a
little bit, and we don't need to dump these guys
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down into low key your dad's swag territory. They are
swag masters, if not God to But here's the.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Thing, is like, is that the game. Now, think about
the game right now and think about the pretty swaggy right,
he is pretty swaggy, but like that's one guy, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I feel like kayon Nellis is more like cool and
laid back, and it's like, well, I also.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Think that, like you think about the position itself and
how analytically has to be how uh are.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You saying smart guys can't have swag?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No, I'm not saying smart guys can't have swag. It's
a different type of swag. I would argue it's low
key swag. Okay, So I I think that when you're
looking at the position now, the position has lended itself
to a different generation of player and archetype of player.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's interesting, though, why do you think it is that
the middle linebacker position kind of maybe did regress a
little bit in terms.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Of I think it's because like you lost the shoulder pads,
you lost you lost the neck, you lost the neck grace,
and there went the swaggeness and.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
We need Brian Bosworth just neck rolls a yeah, like
bring that back that you lost it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And now it's more about kind of this swiftness of
the position, and it's it's just a different type of
a player, like.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
A right.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Davis, the guys who are going who's stretching the field
sideline side on Smith right, Like those guys are swaggy, yes,
but they're a bit more Again.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You'd almost think they'd be more swaggy, though, you would think.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
That they would be. But I don't think they're presenting
themselves as like super vocal in the sense of like, oh,
I think they're a bit more like, oh, yeah, I'm
the for lack of a better word, you know, like
I know I'm cool. I don't need to like go
out and prove it to anybody. So it's a bit
more low key, is my thought process.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
No, I I totally get that. That makes a lot
of sense. And like Bobby Wagner right, just like could
have dripped swag if you wanted to. He was he
was quiet, he was cerebral, and he was more the leader.
So yes, it's like the examples, the Luke Keekley's, the
Bobby Wagner's, those guys kind of are a little bit
of a far cry from those dudes right in the middle.
But again, you know, I kind of feel so if
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if we're gonna let's maybe go to our pretty you
s for Jared here, yeahs a tiebreaker. I kind of
see writing in the document there. If you want to
declare our tiebreaker swag master, lowag inside linebackers. What you got, Jared?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
What are you putting at Jared? I'm really curious to
see what what producer Jared decides. I think he's thinking.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Low key swag. Ye ready, because he's a b y
you guy.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, Jared, Jared's a b YU guy.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Okay, we go with low key swag and I'm remembering that.
Jared remembering that?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay, all right, So we got head coach and inside
linebacker at low key swag. We have wide receivers, God tear.
Is it your turn? Of your turn?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Pulling? Pulling? Pulling? All right? We have cornerback God freaking
pretty easy. We can tear. Probably move on quickly from
that one.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I have literally never met a cornerback that has a
like normal brain. I feel like you cannot if you
play that position because, to the same point of what
I was saying about receiver, you are on such an island,
and every mistake you make or every good thing you do,
is highlighted tenfold because you could make one mistake in
a game and people are like, Oh, he had a
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bad game because he messed up on this route concept
or whatever and decided to do something that he wasn't
supposed to do, when you could also have three PBUs
in a game and no one's really talking about They're
just talking about that one mistake because you gave it
a touchdown. So I think the level of mess up,
like the ceiling of messing up, is a lot higher
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because so many people see you mess up. And I
think in order to have the bounce back mentality, you
have to be a little bit unhinged.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Tori. If you show me a cornerback with an ounce
of empathy, I will show you a cornerback that I
don't want my team, No, get him out of here.
I want egomaniacs. I want self centered cornerbacks. We're out
there on islands, dukn it out against those crazy divas
on the offensive side. We're going joker again, joker m hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You have to do that. You have to crazy versus crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Crazy likes crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
All right, let's go. Let's go again, because that one
was a very easy one. I think we both that
was number one. All right, running back this one's very
interesting because again I actually would say this mimics to
me inside linebackers.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I see this one more so. I think we're both
on low key swags.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Low key swag for running backs because I do think, like.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Sake, you want some workhorse to your your running backs, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And you want him to have that quiet confidence about him,
like the guy that's just gonna carry the team on
his back yep, and do it in a way that
you're just like.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Go give me Frank Gore, Go give me somebody who's
just gonna work tirelessly for like a decade and a
half and just produce.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, think about the three here's the thing. Think about
the three best running backs in the game right now.
Saquon Barkley, Jamier Gibbs and Jean Rojinhson. Those guys have
a lot of swag, don't get me wrong, but they
also carry themselves in a way that's like they're approachable.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, you know they literally low key swag is the
best descriptor maybe for the running back position of like
any of the discriptions we have. Yeah, great, are there
not in your face about it? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
They're still swaggy.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So now we have onto our next one long snapper whoo,
which I might know Jared is actually two words.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Oh my goodness, a long snapper. We may have our
first Dad swag.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
No, God's here for shit.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I think long snapper and I feel like Liam Culla
friend of the pod, would soon to be dead, so
soon to be Dad, Yes, actual Dad, who he already
I think has a lot of Dad swag. I don't
know a single long snapper who does not exhibit Dad swag.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I actually think it's caused for concern if your long
snapper has anything other than Dad's swag.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
One.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't mean a long snapper who's out here trying
to draw attention to himself.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
If you had a long snapper who was god teer
life level swag, the amount of out.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
There leading the after the game, I.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Truly think that the world would implode. It's like unnatural.
You know. If it's a long snapper with god tear
level swag, would be the.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Kids would have a name for him. It would be
it would be like snap Daddy or whatever we have. Yeah,
it's just the coolest nickname in the world. So good.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Okay, let's do this again. Defensive tackle. This one's interesting.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, this is a good one too, because saying all of.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Them, I know, defensive tackle is the one. I will
be honest with you. As I was thinking about all
the positions, defensive tackle was actually the one that I
had the most issues putting into a category.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It was the one I think I could debate the
most ways.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, I could.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You could tell make an argument for any single one,
maybe outside of God's here, but yeah, but yeah I could.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I lean a little bit towards Dad swag. Wow, I
lean a little bit towards Dad swag because I kind
of think Aaron Donald alone, true.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
That man did I won't, I won't recall the whole thing,
but that man did something inside of Mercedes Benz Stadium
at a game against a former Falcon Den alone takes
me out of that.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Also, now that I say that aloud, and now that
you've put me in my place where I needed to
be put, I think Grady Jarrett would actually rip me
a new one if he said if I said that
he had Dad swag or even played in a position
that had Dad swag.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, it's tough. I think low key swag is the
lowest it could be. Yeah, and that is where Ultimately,
I think I landed with it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, but I think it's Swagmaster, a low key swag
and I kind of think.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
That here's the thing. If I'm if I'm putting inside
linebacker at low key swag, I have to put defensive
tackle at low key.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I think so too. Yeah, yeah, man, we don't really
have any swag swag Masters. It's kind of all or
nothing or it's just the luck of the draw so.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Far, that's true. We have we have a little bit
left to do, so all right, safety Yeah, okay, So
my thing with safety is and this was a conversation
that we actually had before we were even doing this
is because we were going back and forth between the
difference between aura and swag and I said, there are
(18:25):
certain position groups that I think have an aura about them.
It's not necessarily swagginess. It's it's more of just like
a state of being, and that honestly has kind of
shifted as we're ranking. That shift to me has gone
along with like swag Master. And so I would put
(18:46):
safety in swag Master because they have the upside of
being super like swaggy out on an island type of
guy who just gets stuff done. But then they also
have this like low key thing where they're like, you know,
sometimes like things are happening in front of them and
they're just like, yeah, you'll handle it.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
The safety position me maybe more than any other position,
is like the Jedi. It's like you've got the sith
or you've got like the actual Jedi, and you either
have like a Tyron Matthew just kind of like crazy,
I'm running all around the field, or like I'm a
cam Chancellor trying to take your head off every single time.
They're on the dark side, they're just out for evil.
Then you've got the cool, calm collected like yes you
(19:29):
will let us in like they're doing mind tricks on
like the quarterback position, right, and that's your Jesse Bates,
that's you know, Earl Thomas, like those types of players.
It's really you wrote about fire and Ice with Billy
Bowman and Xavir Watts. It is that more than maybe
any other position, the safety position. So I like swag master,
be a master of both.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, either a Jedi master or Sith Lord.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
One get one or the other. All right, Oh yes, you're.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Also do you like my little like noises that maybe smelevator. Quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Ooh, okay, QB, this one. This is I'm interesting to
see where you go with this, So why don't you
go first?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Okay? Quarterback. I also had in the same category as safety.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Wow, okay, because I.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Kind of thought that you you need to have all
eyes are on you, so you need to have a
level of accountability with your own self and also ability
to lead. And I think a lot of like a
lot of the best leaders have like the charisma of
(20:37):
being leaders. I think that's what makes them good leaders
is you have to have a little bit of charisma
and you have to be able to win people over.
And I think some of the best quarterbacks kind of
have that nature about them, and that I do, in
this sense of football associate with swagginess. So like I
wouldn't put them at god teer because you don't always
(21:00):
see them have this god till tier level of swag.
But I would say eight times out of ten, regardless
of who the quarterback is, he has to have that
in order to be successful at the position. Sure, that's
my that's my point.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I just don't know if I feel comfortable putting a
position once manned by Chad Pennington and Peyton Manning, and.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
That's not what the game is. All those Jake Daniels,
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Daniel and Jones, Okay, the Derek Carr, Like what are
we doing here? I don't know if they're swag masters.
If anything, I think no other position should encapsulate low
key swag ideally than quarterback. All the Jalen Hurts low
key swag, Josh Allen low key swag, Lamar Jackson low
key they're not talked about in those ways.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
But here's the thing is I see like that is
like it's yeah, way they carry themselves, But you think
about also the way other people look at them and
talk about them, like, oh, I'm following that guy to
the ends of the earth.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
But I think that's low key swag. I think I
think if you're out here like talking all the time,
hyping yourself up, is like I need to have all
this swag and look at me like that actually comes
off as the wrong way for a quarterback. If you're
kind of talking about yourself too much, which I think
you have to to be a swag master. You gotta
want that spotlight and draw it on yourself and kind
of turn it to you a little bit. Yeah, for
(22:28):
the quarterback, I think that right mixes low key swag.
It's like you got the confidence you step into the huddle,
but everybody's looking at you because you have low key swag,
not because you're like, look at me. I got feathers
on my head and I'm just calling all attention to myself.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Fair. Fair, we can put him, we can put I can.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You're trying to fill up swag Master. There's only you
know one, there's only one.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Really, am trying to fill a.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Low key swag positions? I know, Yeah in football according
to us, I don't know, JAREDA. You got you got
any take on that one way or the other. You
feel strongly about quarterbacks? Oh love it? Oh yeah, low
key swag because swag Master is too much. Okay, well said,
well said, thank you for your insight. All right, So
(23:11):
you drew that one, right, I'm not jumping the gun.
Mm hm cool?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Holder?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Why do I keep looking at that camera? Holder? Holder
is the position?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Question is it's more of a role role.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It's a role it like and you oftentimes at the
college level you'll see quarterbacks the holder yeat the level
that we're in now, Bradley, Like your punter usually.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Was the swag of the role dependent upon the position
occupying the role. Yes, okay. So so if if if
Jesse Bates went out there and held for young Way
Cup and it would be it would be a slag
master role.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yes, okay, I think this. The older holder is a
revolving swag.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
If Raheem Morris is out there holding it's low key swag.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, rotating swag dependent upon the position the holder.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
The swag is in the eye of the holder. There
you go. I was trying were like eight there. It
was close.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Honestly, I'll give that one to you.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Thank you so much, Judges, judges, thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Let's pull the crowd edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yes, let's go edge rush this. This is a swag master.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Swag master for sure. I don't have anything more to
say other than they have their own celebrations. Yes, you know,
like every you know you always see like, oh the corners,
like the lockdown thing or the like I see.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Your I do. I'm a big fan of the same.
That's how you know corners are God's here because buckling
your seatbelt has never looked as cool as when they
do it. Safety has never looked as cool.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Safety within the safeties in the corners. So with ed rusher,
the fact that like guys have their own sticks, like
Kalaias Campbell with the a S fall swing, Matthew Judan
with the like wiping Grady jar with Honestly he.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Didn't really do it was more like scream.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
But it was always Dave Archers like you shall not pass.
Like there are just marquee things that I think each
edge rusher, especially the ones that are like really producing
at a high level when you're talking about like Pro
Bowl caliber guys, those are the ones that they all
have a thing. They all have a thing, which I
guess Grady jar that he's not an edge rusher that
was stupid at comparison, but like you know, but they
(25:32):
have their thing, right, and I think because of that
they're swag masters.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Do you think that kind of those celebration dances are
the NFL's equivalent for an edge rusher to like getting
an NBA shoe line. Do you think you have to
have one of those that is almost like identifiable to
be like, oh and now you're you're in that separate
tier as an edge rusher.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, maybe I also think that have you ever seen
like the tiktoks of the guys who would do like
the batting stances of certain players in Major League Baseball?
I think like and yeah, yeah, I think it's more
of like a calling card, like a very specific calling
card than maybe like, oh.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Because it's signature.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, okay, Like I think that in each person, I
don't think it means that you've reached a level.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Should they do glove lines for wide receivers? Sorry, I'm
all over the place. Well, I was just thinking about
merchandise pin.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
In that conversation. But I do think it's like an
individual thing, and I don't think you have to reach
a certain level of like a dresser in order to
have like your own thing.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's that's fair, all right. Next one is kick slash
punt returner.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think you have to have. I think they're a
bit uh swag mastery.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
They are swag mastery. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I think that they have to be able to carry themselves.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I think just catching a ball, like we just being
able to talk about being in the spotlight, the balls
up in the air. You're the only it's like it's
coming to me.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Literally, there are only right lights on you and you
have to handle that, and then you know that there
are two hundred and fifty pounds men all out sprinting
at you.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It's the definition of like you have one job on
the holder, Like you have one job.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You have one job, and it's to like try and
get past these people.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I would argue, it's just a guesting ball in and
of itself is hard gosh.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Okay, So swag Master for kick punt returning, yeap, okay,
tight end, tight end my old position. Okay. So this
is another one that I think is very reminiscent of
inside linebackers where the position has changed. If you're talking
about tight end of fifteen twenty years ago, I would
say Dad swag immediately. However, I don't know if you
(27:47):
can say that with George Kittle, Travis Kelce, like Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I think it's low key swash.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Low key swash.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Sure, yeah, because I and the only reason I think
it is low key swag. I actually think you're right.
It's trending towards like swag master, right, more than it
is Dad swag. But you do still have you know
your Charlie warners, no, no shot to Charlie Warner, but
it's like he's not a swag master. Yeah, right, so
you tight end the duality of that position still lends
itself to to that.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
All right, we have two left. I'm gonna do both
of these.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Punter punter. I think, you know what, I really really
personally want to put it in god t here because
I just think that's so funny. And Johnny Hecker is
my personal God.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
So no, put them in god t Heer punter has
to be in Dad swag.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's it's obviously in Dad swags, but I just wanted
to give a shout.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Out, okay in this. Honestly, I think this is a
good one to end on offensive line.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, there's uh contains multitudes.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
But ultimately, ultimately, if you're thinking of an offensive lineman,
this stereotypical offensive lineman Dad swag absolutely like and there's
no there's no if ans or butts about it, Like
this was the easiest one.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, and if if there is a swag on an
offensive line, it's going to be country boy swag.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Good point. So, like, I don't know Matthew Matthew bergeron
for sure, he's.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I think I'm me. I'm speaking purely in generalities across
the league generally, you're you're kind of getting that, so yeah,
that that falls into more the dad's wag vibe anyway,
So I think offensive line with you.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
That was I think that was it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
That was it. That was it. We emptied the Cup.
We did a good job. So thank you guys so
much for going on this journey with us. It was
it was like a totally random thought exercise. How'd you
think it went?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I liked it. I had fun. I'm curious to see
what the people think if they want us to do
more rankings. I really liked the like blind rankings of
it all. And I honestly think next time we do this,
if we ever do it, we should only you can
only have three spots in each something.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, like we have to meet certain criteria or thresholds
or prose.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, that would be so next time if we bring
this back in another way and we're ranking, I think
blind rankings within the tier system.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, if you guys have any suggestions for games or
types of conversations or any any type of content you'd
like see on the show, let us know. I mean
that's kind of what this period has been it's summer,
we can come up with some fun ideas and this
is one of them. So we hope to do a
lot more stuff like that next year. But we've got
training camp just a couple of weeks away, so get excited.
It's going to be a lot of fun. We've got
an interview with Ben Solak coming next week to kind
(30:22):
of tide you over between now and then. But it's
great deep dive. If you want to get smarter about
Falcons football, please go listen to that. But anything else
you want to mention before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Sorry, I think this conversation proved that Will and I
are not swaggy.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Nope, Dad swag all the way. I low key swag.
You're higher than me.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Thank you. I'll take low key swag. I'll take it.
I don't know if I could go much higher than.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
That multiple time award winner. That's low key swag in
my book. Thank you all right, Thank you guys so
much for listening. For Tory mclaney, I'm Will McFadden. We'll
see you next time.
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