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August 18, 2025 36 mins
Dan Hoard reviews Monday’s preseason win in Washington with radio replays, locker room comments and postgame analysis from Dave Lapham. Then, in this week’s Fun Facts conversation, you’ll get to know rookie defensive tackle Howard Cross.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi everybody, I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The
Bengals Booth Podcast, The One Step Closer to Knowing. Addition,
as we take an in depth look at the bengals
second preseason game, a fourteen point win over the Washington Commanders.
Coming up radio replays, locker room comments, and postgame analysis

(00:26):
from Dave Lapham. Then in this week's fun Facts Conversation,
you'll get to know a rookie defensive tackle who is
looking to follow in his father's NFL footsteps. The Bengals
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(01:09):
thing since Amrius and Willie. I have a handful of
podcasts that I listen to, but I rarely watch them.
Seeing two people talking really doesn't add much for me.
Plus I'm usually listening in the car or while exercising.
But I made an exception when I saw that Bengals
legend Willie Anderson had a Marius Mimes as his guest

(01:33):
on his Everything Big Willie podcast, and I'm glad that
I did. A Marius is so animated that it added
to the enjoyment. Plus his megawatts smile lights up the screen. Additionally,
there's something about two offensive linemen talking ball that's hard
to beat. If you want to check it out, go

(01:53):
to YouTube and type in Willy and a Marius. You
can see the whole episode, or it's also broken down
into some of the most interesting clips. Now time for
the radio replays from Monday night's game in our nation's capital.
It is week two of the preseason, and for the

(02:13):
Cincinnati Bengals starters, it is almost certainly their final tune
up before the regular season opener coming up.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
In twenty days. At Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Tonight, they take on the Washington Commanders on Monday Night Football,
and it is time for the pig skin to fly.
Here at Northwest Stadium, Fourth and goal from the one
Burrow and the shotgun Chase Brown to his left. Three
receivers go out to the wide side right. Burrow waits
for the football, he has it, he hands it off

(02:44):
to Chase Brown and he fights his way into the
undi for a Bengals touchdown.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Nice job up front, Nice job by Chase.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Brown, shotgun snap. Daniels win time.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Now forced to scramble runs to the ten to five
touchdown peg balling his way through traffic for a fourteen
yard touchdown run.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Tell you what he's clever, telling you he's a lot
of the more talented quarterbacks in the National Football League
now have unbelievable threat with their feet as well as
their arm, and they can hurt.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
You many ways.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Bengals still have their starting defense on the field. Josh
Johnson catches a high snap. It's a handoff, a lookout
off to the races and on his way into the
end zone is Bill Hosky Barrett twenty seven yards and
the Bengals run defense could not be any worse.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
In the first quarter of this game.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Ah'm they've given up about one hundred yards of carry.
I mean, it really is crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
First and goal from the five for Cincinnati. The Bengals
go empty. Burrow to throw. His passing to the end
zone is caught by Charlie Jones in the back right
corner of the end zone for the touchdown.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Nice job, Charlie.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Clock is running.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
With nine twenty two left in the half, fourteen all
the score, Washington has it the Cincinnati thirty. Johnson catches
a shot gun snap, drops straight back to throw, fires
for the end zone, hitter side shy of the goal line,
picked up by Tyson Anderson, and he goes out of
bounds at the two yard line.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well, that was an ill advised throw.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
On first and ten for the thirteen, Browning for the
end zone.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Tinsley with a spectacular catch on a back shoulder throw
from Jake Browning, a thirteen yard touchdown grab by Mitch
Tinsley against his former team.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Tinsley ran a good route.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Browning made an unbelievable throw, like you said, Dan to
the back shoulder, very tight window there.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
He put it right where he had.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
To, and then Tisley makes a spectacular catch.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Man. A lot of good things happen on that snap.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Hartman in the gun. McNichols to his left.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Twenty eight seconds remaining in the half, Washington has a
couple of timeouts. Hartman throws a little intercept it leant
to get back is Barrett Carter. He's at the twenty
and he gets tackled after intercepting Hartman. With twenty seconds
left in the half, Cincinnati up seven, Browning to throw.
He's gonna fire for the end zone.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Tinsley comes down with a football amazing gout, drowning to
Tinsley for another touchdown twenty one yards.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
On back to back offensive snaps, Jake Browning throws a
pair of touchdowns to a former Washington commander, Mitch Tinsley.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
How about the tap tap? How about the footwork?

Speaker 4 (05:54):
First, let's talk about Browning making an unbelievable throw. Honey,
if you throw that ball one hundred, you can't throw
it any better than that for Chinon to make a
play on it.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Now the fifty four yard try.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
The distance not a problem, and the kick is good,
right down the middle from fifty four yards away, and
it's smacked into the net with plenty of distance to spare.
McLaughlin will snap it back to Desmond Ritter. He puts
his right knee on the ground and the coaching staffs

(06:25):
begin to make the march towards the center of the
field as the Bengals will head home with a win
and a fourteen point win tonight over the Washington Commanders,
the final score thirty one to seventeen, Bengals ending a
streak of seven straight preseason games without a win. Joe

(06:47):
Burrow wasn't borderline perfect as he was in the preseason opener,
but he still led the offense to two touchdowns on
three drives, and it's worth noting that Jamar, Chase t Higgins,
and Chase Brown called it a night after the opening possession.
After that Burrow's completions. We're going to guys like Charlie
Jones Andrey Yosi Vash and Taj Brooks.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
But I don't think it's any secret that we've we've
had to play games without Team Jamar in the past.
That's football. Guys are going to get inged up, Guys
are going to miss in some games. I've missed games.
That's life in the NFL. And so you need guys
to step up, and I need reps with those guys
at some point. And you know, in practice, we haven't
really had that. You know, we've been healthy and Team

(07:31):
Jamar have been out there and Dre's been out there,
and so that getting reps with with Chalk and Mitch
and Dre out there in different situations, in different positions
and run different routes, that's very valuable.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
The starting offense looks ready for Week one, but the
starting defense looks like a week one. The first teamers
didn't force a punt for the second game in a row,
allowing two quick touchdowns. The starters were on the field
for seven and plays and allowed one hundred and eighteen yards.
That's sixteen point nine yards per play, and nearly all

(08:08):
of the damage was on the ground, as the defense
allowed runs of fourteen, nineteen, twenty seven, and forty yards. Yikes.
But Zach Taylor says forget about the preseason. He remains
confident that the defense will be better because of what
he's seeing every day in practice preseason.

Speaker 7 (08:30):
So I feel really excited about where our defense is at.
We go and get some every day. It's tough. We'll
continue to fix the things we can fix from the
preseason game. We'll look at the tame NSS where its at.
But again in praxicansm every single day love war defense
is at. There's a lot of things that give the
offense really hard time right now, so we'll just continue
to build off.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
That is Zach being overly positive, sure, but there is
some truth to what he's saying. The biggest story of
training camp, in my opinion, is that the defense has
looked much better. Unfortunately, it has not carried over to
the preseason games. I think it's safe to say that
the starting offense won't play in the preseason finale. But

(09:13):
as bad as the defense has been, particularly the starters,
it'll be interesting to see if Zach sends them out
there for a series or two. Nobody had a better
night on Monday then wide receiver Mitch Tinsley, who spent
most of the last two years in Washington's practice squad.
He finished with five catches for seventy three yards and

(09:35):
a pair of unbelievable touchdown grabs. I spoke to Mitch
after the game. We're in the locker room with Mitch Tinsley,
who put on quite a show on National TV. Let's
start with the fact that you were one of the
coin Toss captains coming back to Washington where you're on
the team the last couple of years. What did that
mean to you?

Speaker 8 (09:53):
Uh, you know, I metting odd that, you know, my coaches,
my teammates felt that I was you know, captain worthy
and that you know, basically leading the team or starting
the you know, game off. So I mean it felt
good to be out there, you know, with Corntall especially.
I've been here for the last two seasons or been
in Washington the last two seasons before this, so you know,
you definitely mentioned a lot.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
For sure, Coach Taylor tries to find guys that have
some sort of connection to the team or the city.
Did he let you know before the game or was
that kind of a spur of the moment thing where
you found out shortly before the coin toss.

Speaker 8 (10:25):
I found out probably, like, you know, maybe a couple
of hours before the game, So I mean I kind
of knew going in, but you know, yeah, it was.

Speaker 9 (10:33):
It was.

Speaker 8 (10:33):
It was definitely cool.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
All right, Let's talk about the first touchdown catch. Coverage
was great, the throw and the catch were better. Is
that one of the better catches you've made in front of.

Speaker 10 (10:44):
Fans on TV?

Speaker 9 (10:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (10:45):
I feel like I've made some things happen in practice
that I think beat that, But you know, in a game, yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
How about the second one. So Barrett Carter makes the interception,
and twenty seconds after your first touchdown, you've got an
other one.

Speaker 8 (11:00):
Yeah, it really just came down to, you know, me
not focusing on I think my whole focus coming into
this season was not focusing on the past play or
the play I had. So you know, I scored a touchdown,
what if I dropped the pass? You know, for me,
it's my current play and you know, Jake them goodball
and I went up and.

Speaker 10 (11:18):
Made the play.

Speaker 8 (11:18):
So it was just about being as you know, present
as possible. So that's that's how that happened. In that
second part.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I came in expecting you to be giddy, but you're
very matter of fact, like this is what you've been
working toward, and then you don't seem surprised that you
put on that show.

Speaker 10 (11:36):
I really, I really don't feel surprised.

Speaker 8 (11:38):
I feel like, you know, my over my career, you know,
I've been the guy that's been overlooked, and you know
I'll constantly put the work in when nobody's watching. So
I feel like for me, like I honestly feel like
this is just the beginning for me, Like I have
a lot bigger goals and things set out for myself
that I want to accomplish. And so you know, this
is a step in the right direction. But you know
we're gonna go back tomorrow look at the thing as

(12:00):
I did wrong, you know. I mean there's some things
out there that could do better. You know, go from there.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Joe gave you a shout out at a news conference
a couple of weeks ago. It sounds like he gave
you another one on National TV tonight when he was
interviewed on the sideline. What's it mean that you have
impressed him?

Speaker 2 (12:18):
It means a lot.

Speaker 8 (12:19):
I mean, he's the leader of our team and you
know him, have him believed in me, especially when I
get in knowing that I'm gonna get open, I'm gonna
run good routes, I'm gonna catch the ball, I'm gonna
make plays, and he can trust me.

Speaker 10 (12:30):
I'm lable.

Speaker 8 (12:31):
So I feel like, you know, that's definitely, you know,
a big thing, having trust with your quarterback.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Two tds on Monday Night football.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Not bad.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Congratulations, bitch, thank you, I appreciate it. Tinsley has gone
from a training camp long shot to somebody who will
have to get strong consideration for the roster. While the
starting defense had a rocky night, the backups performed well,
not allowing any touchdowns on eight possessions, well coming away
with a pair of interceptions by Tyson Anderson and Barrett Carter.

(13:03):
Carter led the team in tackles with seven, and I
caught up with the rookie linebacker out of Clemson as well, Barrett.
That interception late in the second quarter might have been
the biggest defensive play at the game. The Bengals had
just taken the lead and suddenly it became fourteen after
that pick. Talk about what you saw and jumping that route.

Speaker 11 (13:23):
Yeah, So I was just just trying to just do
my job, and my job was to hold down the
middle of the field, and you know, I mean I
did that, and I saw the quarterbacks Oyes and he
was looking at the receiver. So I just had to
use my god given ability and just you.

Speaker 9 (13:37):
Know, make a play.

Speaker 11 (13:38):
And I'm kind of mad I should have scored, but
I'm just glad I could get the ball back to
our offense. You know, that's really been our goal as
a defense, is get the ball back to our offense
and let them do what they do. So I'm happy
that I made the play, but no, I wish I
could have scored, But you know, I'll get that one
back soon.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Did you see Sam Hartman in college?

Speaker 11 (13:55):
I did, I think three years, three out of my
four years, so played him twice that way for us
and once when he was at Notre Dame. So super
familiar with him. Have a lot of respect for him.
You know, he's an ultra competitor, silent assassin. So a
lot of respect for Sam and what he's been able
to do. But glad I was able to make the play.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Was that helpful at all? Having faced him before? Does
it help you read that in any way?

Speaker 9 (14:19):
Yeah, I mean I kind of remember playing him in college.

Speaker 11 (14:22):
You're like taking notes about him in college and watching
film and you know a lot of the stuff translated.
So like, at the end of the day, I was
just trying to just do my job and thankfully that
ended up me making the play. So but definitely helped
that I played him for three years in college.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
A Bengals scout told me they thought you were the
best coverage linebacker in the draft this year, and obviously
you made that play. Do you feel like that that's
something that you can contribute to this team right away
as a rookie.

Speaker 11 (14:48):
Yeah, I mean that's not up to me to decide.
I'm just trying to come in every day and just
get one percent better. You know whatever, whatever my role
looks like for this team, I can live with the results,
knowing that I pay the price. I worked my tail
off to get here, So, you know, whatever my role
looks like for this team, I can live with the results.
But I just want to help us win games. Whatever
that looks like for me, I'm okay with it.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I think you had the most tackles tonight as well.
How'd you feel about the game and training camp to
this point?

Speaker 11 (15:12):
I felt sorry about the game, you know, defense, I
feel like we started off kind of slow, so we
gotta we gotta find a way to start off faster.
But you know, training camp has been very good. No,
definitely no where where we need to be, but you know,
we're getting We're on the incline. We're getting one percent
better every single day, and that's been Zach's message to us,
That's been AG's message to us. Just try to just
stack days and one percent better. So I'm happy with

(15:33):
you know what we've been able to do in camp
so far, but nowhere satisfied.

Speaker 9 (15:37):
We got to just keep stacking days.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
To save the ball after a preseason.

Speaker 11 (15:40):
Pick, absolutely, I just I asked him where it was.
They said, I'll get it tomorrow. So looking forward to,
you know, keeping that in my house forever whenever I
get a house.

Speaker 9 (15:49):
But definitely save that ball.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Congrats time the pick and the win.

Speaker 9 (15:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
It's going to be a quick turnaround. As the Bengals
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born Mitch Tinsley two touchdown catches in a twenty second
span in the second quarter. I sit after the game.

(16:38):
Oddly enough, it might make it hard for the Bengals
to hold on tool because if he's not on the
fifty three man roster, raft or performance like that, some
other NFL teams are going to be temp.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Oh there's no doubt.

Speaker 12 (16:49):
I mean, And the one thing you know for sures,
NFL scouting departments, management teams, they're watching, they're scouring, you know,
being taped, trying to find ways to prove their football team,
whether it be by trade, trading for a veteran player
picking up somebody, a team, let's go, and yeah, they
didn't have to make a decision. I think he's making

(17:13):
the decisions easy for him. I mean, I think he's
playing at a really high level, doing a lot of
really good things for him. So I think he's made
the team. That's just a matter of who hasn't.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Those were great catches and great throws by Jake Browning.
Jake was not pleased with his own performance in Philly,
but he was terrific tonight.

Speaker 12 (17:33):
He was and getting a little treatment in the locker
room and the training after the game. I don't know
his shoulder or what they were working on, but I
mean he threw the ball I thought exceptionally well. He
was very accurate. I had velocity on it, had touch
on it. Everything he needed to do to make completions
he did. I thought Washington had a decent group of

(17:55):
players in the secondary, and I thought he made them
look bad at times.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Al Golden is emphasizing getting takeaways. Unfortunately, the first team
defense didn't play very well. But once the second teamers
were in there, Tyson Anderson and Barrett Carter came up
with huge picks.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
They did.

Speaker 12 (18:11):
They made big plays, and you know, they know that
that's what they have to do. They know when they
get their opportunity to go out there and then try
to get something done that they need to do exactly
that they need to show up and they need to
show up on the stat sheet. They need to show
up on the on the film as coaches and teammates
and everybody's watching that and they have to They know
that they want to make it a clear Cup decision,

(18:33):
not you know, win at the at a photo finish.
They want to make sure that they've got a spot
on the on the roster.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
We said at the beginning of the broadcast, the defense
has practiced pretty well by and large, didn't look very
good against Philly. We hoped it would look better in
the game tonight, and unfortunately the first team defense really struggled.
What's the concern level at this point after basically four
preseason drives.

Speaker 12 (18:59):
Yeah, I mean it's hasn't been productive enough, that's for sure.
I mean, you know, you don't necessarily have to have
takeaways and stops on every single possession, but you know,
at some point show that there's a light at the
end of the tunnel that you know you're going to
be able to keep people out of the end zone,
You're going to be able to keep people from attempting

(19:19):
you know, very chip show a makable field goals. I mean,
the percentage of the drives against the first team defense
and the points scored off of those drives is Astronautal,
it's somebody as Haigen yet, so I know, Al Golden's
got to be there's going to be some concern there.
I don't think there's panic, but I think there's got

(19:39):
to be some concern, and they have to get their
nose to the grindstone collectively and do something about it
remedy it.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I have not heard why Lucas Patrick exited the game
fairly early tonight. Jalen Rivers logged a lot of snaps
at right guard. He has been practicing at guard for
the last week or so. Dalton Reisner is coming in
for a visit tomorrow. This right guard situation is getting
very intriguing.

Speaker 12 (20:03):
It is it is. I mean, I think it's something
that from an organizational standpoint and coaching staff standpoint, when
they have meetings, that's a topic of discussion. It's probably
very high in the list, if not number one on
the list. So they're talking about options that they had
there currently on the roster or options that might be
out there in terms of you know, waver wire for

(20:27):
a veteran understrict you know, an unrestricted free agent that's
that's let go. It's a way by his football team,
or a rookie that was drafted this way by his
football team. So in the next few days, it's going
to be interesting to see what kind of metamorphosis there is,
if any, with the roster based on the ways that
they have to you know, obtain players and make decisions

(20:50):
and let other ones go. And I don't think they're
going to be shy or bashful about trying to make
this team is as trong as they possibly can.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
From a depth down time and offensive line depth is
becoming a bigger and vigrantycern. Cordell Bowlson dealing with a
shoulder issue, Cody Ford has been out for a few days.
There have been other guys banged up on the old line,
dult Reisner, nothing else would certainly help the depth.

Speaker 12 (21:13):
No, no doubt. I think he's going to be a
sight for sore eyes when he shows up. I think,
you know, they you can always use another offensive lineman
that's got the experience that he does and his competed
in as many games as he has, you know, with
your offensive line no matter what team you are. So
I think that st'll it will be greeted with open

(21:35):
arms by my coaches and management.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Team hadn't won a preseason game in a couple of years.
You talked to Zach Taylor after the game. Did you
get the sense that a win was meaningful even though
it doesn't count the standings?

Speaker 9 (21:47):
I do. I do.

Speaker 12 (21:48):
He seemed very happy, almost ecstatic really, And you know,
I was having a real good time with the other
coaches and the players in the locker room, and he said,
you know, it's important to establish an earning habit and
hadn't gotten that done for a while in the preseason.
He'll carry over. That carries over to the regular season.
So hopefully if they finished with two wins at the

(22:10):
end of the preseason, will carry over to a fast start,
because obviously that's something that's plagued them the last couple
of years.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Joe Burrow wanted to play in the preseason. We assume
he's not going to play against the Colts, but he
was in there for five or four series, three touchdown drives.
Very successful preseason for Joe and for the first team offense.

Speaker 12 (22:28):
I agree, you know, I think when they decided that
what they were going to do and how much they
were going to play Joe and what they were going
to do with them, I think if they could seeing
in their crystal ball what it were going to turn
out to be, I think they would be more than happy.
Was Hissy be very very pleased. So you know, I
think I think it turned out exactly the way they
wanted it to. And I think my map was off.

(22:50):
Five drives, four touchdowns while Joe, as I am right,
that's producing at a high level. That's a high percentage
the conversion.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
For sure. That puts a rap on the Washington game. Now,
time for this tweek's fun fact segment. Prior to the draft,
there was a lot of speculation that the Bengals would
take a defensive player from Notre Dame that had been
coached by Al Golden, and they were surely interested in
cornerback Benjamin Morrison, who went in the second round, and

(23:16):
safety Xavier Watts, who went in the third. As it
turned out, the Bengals didn't draft a Notre Dame defender,
but they did sign one as a college free agent,
defensive tackle Howard Cross, who was a second team All
American each of the last two years for the Fighting Irish.
Now let's get to know the person under the pads.

(23:37):
Time for some fun facts with rookie defensive tackle Howard
Cross from Paramus, New Jersey, about twenty minutes from MetLife Stadium,
the home of the New York Giants, the team your
dad played for for thirteen years. He's also Howard played
in more than two hundred NFL games. What was it
like for you to grow up Howard Cross in New Jersey?

Speaker 10 (23:59):
I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Was I was.

Speaker 13 (24:01):
I was living every kid's dream, you know. I'm like
anytime or anywhere in like elementary school, I'm like, yeah,
my dad played for the Giants, and I know all
the like I knew Tiki Barber and and I'mnti Tumor
and I knew all these guys and like I would
like go tell my friends. I'm like, yeah, I'm I
know Ticky Barber and you know, uh and like, you know,
just being stopped at any point like oh, like how
are Cross and the like, yeah, these are my kids,

(24:21):
Like all right, cool Howard Cross.

Speaker 10 (24:24):
But you know, it was it was it was good.

Speaker 13 (24:26):
You know, it was a it was It was a
cool experience being around football most of my life, just
just learning uh, the ins and out and it helped
me kind of be where I am today. Like I
knew the ins and outs of like the NFL and
how it worked, like back before I even assumed that
I could even make it to this level, Like like
I used to watch Hard Knocks with my dad when
I was like, I don't know, in middle school, I

(24:46):
was really interested in the NFL. But he was like,
this is how it works, is this is what's gonna happen.
These are this is the process.

Speaker 10 (24:52):
And I'm like Oh that's that's.

Speaker 13 (24:53):
Kind of nerve racking and out I'm laughing about it.
Now I'm like fifteen years later, I'm here and it's
it's just funny to me.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
So he's part of the Giants radio broadcast crew. Now,
did he bring you around to the stadium quite a
bit when you were young?

Speaker 13 (25:05):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (25:05):
Yeah, no, I was.

Speaker 13 (25:06):
I was in there when he's when he's recorded multiple times.
I know all the reporters back at the Combi, when
the Giants reporters were at the Common.

Speaker 10 (25:15):
They're like, oh my god, our So it was good
to it was good to see all them. But yeah,
I was around. I was able to see all these
guys who like and again I remember I look at them.

Speaker 13 (25:24):
They were larger than life, like punintended like they were
giants Like I literally, I really thought they were large,
larger than life humans. And I can't even imagine, you know,
being anywhere near these people.

Speaker 10 (25:35):
And now then I'm in this position, this is it's
crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
We're visiting the Bengals. Ricky Howard Cross, I've read that
your folks encouraged you to try every sport growing up.
What did you participate in?

Speaker 13 (25:47):
Uh, honestly, a little bit of everything. Uh my dad,
I remember. So he said, you could do whatever you
want as long as it doesn't include so no boxing,
no UFC, taekwondo, no no hand to hand comment every anything.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
Also, you want to be world champion of dance.

Speaker 13 (26:03):
Go ahead, just as long as it's not hand to
hand combat, you could do whatever you want. So growing
up I played. My dad got me into golf. Okay, golfer.
If I have golf more than twice a year, I
played lacrosse.

Speaker 10 (26:16):
Growing up.

Speaker 13 (26:16):
I was a really really good baseball player, terrible terrible
at basketball, but I was a really really, really surprisingly
good tennis player.

Speaker 10 (26:25):
And I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 13 (26:26):
I always tell my friends, or I always tell my
friends that if I had never or if I chose
to play football, I might have actually been.

Speaker 10 (26:32):
Really good at It's funny enough.

Speaker 13 (26:34):
I was really good at baseball too, But again, it
was kind of in high school when I was in
the middle of baseball and Lacrosseuse lacrosse was big in
high school, and they were like, yeah, like I got
my first offer, and I was like, all right, I
guess it's football.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So your dad went to Alabama and it's in the
Alabama Hall of Fame.

Speaker 9 (26:52):
You chose Notre Dame?

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Why South End.

Speaker 13 (26:55):
A Yeah, I grew up with a dad who knew
the ins and outs of football, and after after football
night wasn't leave for thirteen years, and the biggest thing
for him was football is great.

Speaker 10 (27:06):
Football is awesome. But he always used to say, the
NFL stands for not for long.

Speaker 13 (27:10):
You know, there's a very like you could probably count,
I want to say, on not really one hand, but
I want to say, it's like maybe less than twenty
people who are able to play in the past like
fifteen years, that haven't been playing more than ten, ten,
twelve years, you know what I mean.

Speaker 10 (27:29):
So I mean what the maverage NFL lifespans what three years?

Speaker 13 (27:32):
So after that he got a good job, so he
you know, he always talked about getting a good job.
Justin Tuck, who was a world class dam for the Giants,
is the VP of Golden Sacks.

Speaker 10 (27:43):
Right now with Notre Dame.

Speaker 13 (27:45):
So obviously they were very big on obviously, yes, football school,
but like academics.

Speaker 10 (27:49):
So I was looking at.

Speaker 13 (27:50):
Duke Northwestern Stanford and then obviously a Nore Dame called
that was like the pinnacle of education. But obviously football,
So I jumped to the opportunity to go there.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
You played in sixty six games there, that's second most
all time at Notre Dame. And your defensive coordinator for
the last three years was Al Golden, So you know
him better than any other player in this locker room.
What do you admire and respect about Al?

Speaker 13 (28:14):
I mean, I admire that he wants the best out
of us. He wants the best to have the defense.
You know, you can't be perfect, but you can be
damn near close. So that's kind of philosophy that he
goes by. And honestly, like, I don't really know anybody
that wouldn't like die on the field for him.

Speaker 10 (28:26):
He's a very big, no I.

Speaker 13 (28:29):
Want to say, father figure, Like he makes sure everybody's okay,
make sure he checks on everybody every once in a while,
and he passed them all the way. So I was like,
oh you doing just always wondering, like what's what's going
on outside of football? Like how's everything going? But again,
he just he cares about you as a person. He
definitely cares about you's a football player.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
My broadcast partner Dave Lapham played for the Bengals in
their first Super Bowl, and he describes when he ran
out of the tunnel, he felt like he could lift
the stadium. You played in the National Championship Game last
year for Notre Dame. What was that feeling like for
you to take the field.

Speaker 10 (29:01):
It was kind of surreal.

Speaker 13 (29:02):
I'm not gonna lie to you, Like I remember like
walking out with the captains and I just laughed. I'm like,
this is I this is just crazy, you know, and
my entire life, like watching the National Championship game the.

Speaker 10 (29:16):
Little what is it, the black and silver.

Speaker 13 (29:19):
Year number, so twenty twenty four twenty I'm like, oh,
that's so cool, Like just imagine that on my jersey,
and now I have a twenty twenty five jersey, which
looks sick by the way, but just but it was
just that whole thing. I remember just looking in the
mirror and just looking at the symbol like before the
game and just being like wow, And just the whole
process was crazy.

Speaker 10 (29:36):
I mean, like the.

Speaker 13 (29:38):
I can't even describe it like it was. I can't
think of a better way to go out of college.

Speaker 10 (29:43):
I can't. I can't. Like the first what is a
twelve man playoff?

Speaker 13 (29:47):
The first ever playoff game at Notre Dame, which is
my last ever game in Notre Dame. But it was
a night game, and by far in six years, it
was my craziest Notre Dame game playing in New Orleans,
being Georgia like it was.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
It was just I saw an old story in the
South Bend newspaper that referred to you as fast hands Howard.
What was the origin of that nickname?

Speaker 10 (30:10):
Coach Golden?

Speaker 13 (30:11):
Actually Coach Golden first came to Notre Dame all those
years ago, and again, I was just the little guy
on the field. And I mean that's everys first reaction
when they've seen the Notre Dame film, like exact guy.

Speaker 10 (30:25):
Uh, but you know I was.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I was.

Speaker 13 (30:26):
I'm known for, you know, using my hands quickly and
get me fun of a little bit for how large
my hand's on which is disproportional in my lot eight,
but just being able to use my hands and that
that's kind of what that's kind of what he'd even say.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
You were a second team All American each of the
last two years at Notre Dame, but you weren't selected
this year's NFL draft. The Bengals signed you quickly as
a free agent. Were you ticked off and what did
NFL teams miss?

Speaker 10 (30:52):
Obviously, you know I was a little I was a
little frustrated. Anybody would be. I was. You know, I
was projected to be drafted pretty high. I was drafted.
That's how, that's how it goes, you know what I mean.
And you know they don't really think they missed anything.
You know, I'm not gonna lie. I came.

Speaker 13 (31:07):
I came back for another year, hoping to raise my
draft sock harder than I already was.

Speaker 10 (31:11):
And but I got hurt.

Speaker 13 (31:13):
It's just so happened that the most ever d tackles
to ever be draftable in the modern era was this
past year.

Speaker 10 (31:21):
Like just everything, you know, just it. It was just
a bad bad role, bad hands.

Speaker 13 (31:26):
You know every time, every once in a while, your
delt a bad hand life, and you know you just
gotta make them most of it. So you know, yeah,
it's I remember like not receiving a phone call and
be like, you know what, I knew I was gonna
get an opportunity, and I have an opportunity now and
I'm using it.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
So it's not how you get here, it's what you
do once you're here. A few wild card topics. Now,
for Howard Cross, you are Howard Cross the third. If
you have a son at some point, will he be
Howard the fourth?

Speaker 13 (31:52):
I would believe, so, I'm sure I'll twenty am I
twenty three right now?

Speaker 10 (31:58):
Twenty four?

Speaker 13 (32:00):
I probably h Yeah, I got a couple of years
before I think about that.

Speaker 10 (32:04):
Got a couple of years for that one. But yeah,
probably I would, I would assume. So yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
So you have a twin sister, Bella. Do you have
similar likes and dislikes?

Speaker 10 (32:15):
We're basically the same person. I'm not gonna lie to you.
If she would hate that, I would say that.

Speaker 13 (32:18):
If you're listening to this, well I'm sorry, but yeah,
we're basically the same person. We like the same things,
like I mean again, we grew up like we were
in the same front group growing up, like you know,
like I'm a nerd, like I read com books and
superheroes name all that stuff, and she does the exact
same thing.

Speaker 10 (32:34):
So yeah, we're basically the same person.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I have a notre dame hot take for you. Here goes.
Rudy is a terrible movie. He is an annoying whiner.
Did I just defend you? Have you seen Rudy.

Speaker 10 (32:49):
I don't know. If I shouldn't answer this question.

Speaker 9 (32:52):
Feel free to agree.

Speaker 13 (32:55):
I don't. I'm not a fan of the movie, and
I do know the true story of Rudy.

Speaker 10 (33:03):
That is all I will say about that. I'm not
a fan of the movie.

Speaker 13 (33:07):
You know, I'm sure he was a nice guy and
never really never had the opportunity to meet him.

Speaker 10 (33:12):
But I know the truth.

Speaker 13 (33:15):
I've heard from other players and coaches who have been
a part of the team that I know the true
story of Rudy, and that that is you know.

Speaker 10 (33:22):
That's all say.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
The movie is very embellished. We'll leave it at that.
Aside from football, do you have any talents cooking?

Speaker 13 (33:31):
Cooking is definitely my my biggest thing. Like, I love cooking.
I always kind of say, this is a real fun fact.
I really think about that if I didn't play football,
and like I I had enough money in the world
where I could choose any job I want to be,
I'll be like a five star culinary chef from like
a crazy Michelin star restaurant.

Speaker 10 (33:52):
I just I just think it's really cool, you know.

Speaker 13 (33:53):
I like I like I like cooking. I like the
way it smells. I like I like doing stuff in
my hands. I like kind of creating art that way.
And I don't know, I just I think that stuff
is amazing, you know. So yeah, if I never played
football and I was able to have any job in world,
that I would definitely be a culinary chef.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
All right, gourmet chef. Howard crossed the third final question.
This one's a little bit deep. If you could meet
anybody in history, living or deceased, who would that person be?

Speaker 13 (34:22):
Uh So, I have a family member and ever and
I have a genuine answer.

Speaker 10 (34:26):
The genuine answer would be Ali and.

Speaker 13 (34:29):
Just I don't know, just watching interviews and just like
I just I just want to be able to meet
somebody like that.

Speaker 10 (34:33):
And just like because I.

Speaker 13 (34:35):
You know, my entire life, I overthink a lot of things,
you know, but just like somebody who radiates like confidence constantly,
like no matter who he's talking to face with, literally
like being public at one point being public Enemy number
one of the country and really getting on live TV
and doing what he does best. Uh, and it was
it's just it's just all like anytime like I listen

(34:57):
to anything he says, I just think it's amazing. And
then like family wise, so had probably been a great
greatgrandfather Archie Cross. So it's that family member where like
you don't like there's not a lot of pictures.

Speaker 10 (35:08):
You don't know, but it's just legends. Like apparently he
was like back in.

Speaker 13 (35:12):
My great great grandfather said that I was back in
Alabama a long time ago, but like he was the
I think the strongest wrestler in the state or something
like that. He like was legend has it he was
wrestling bears and he was like throwing hay Bill. He's
able to like take on and be three people and
once in wrestling.

Speaker 10 (35:31):
Like I just hear.

Speaker 13 (35:31):
Legends about this guy, and I think that would be
the coolest thing I were to be able to meet him.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
This has been great. Really appreciate your time. You're having
an excellent camp.

Speaker 9 (35:39):
Keep it up.

Speaker 10 (35:39):
Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
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