September 21, 2025 • 32 mins
Dan Hoard recaps Sunday’s loss in Minnesota with radio replays, locker room comments, and postgame analysis from Dave Lapham. Then, in this week’s “Fun Facts” conversation, you’ll get to know defensive lineman/cancer survivor/masterchef Mike Pennel.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading
The Bengals Booth Podcast. The do you remember the twenty
first nine of September audition as the Bengals look to
quickly put that date and Sunday's game behind them and
move on after a lopsided loss to the Vikings. Coming
up radio replays, locker room comments, and postgame analysis from
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Dave Lapham. Then, in this week's fun Facts Conversation, you'll
get to know defensive lineman, cancer survivor and master chef
Mike Panell. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you
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the greatest thing since Kyle Brandt's full length interview with
Joe Burrow. Last week, before the Jacksonville game, the NFL
Network aired a three minute and thirty second interview with
the Bengals quarterback that was done by Kyle Brandt, But
after that version aired on TV, Kyle shared what he
called the director's cut on social media. It's sixteen minutes
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long and exceptional. Kyle clearly gave a lot of thought
to his questions, made Joe comfortable and got him to
open up. I think I've seen just about every long
interview that Joe has done since twenty twenty, and I
don't think anybody has done it better. If you haven't
seen it yet, just search for Joe Burrow Director's Cut.
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This is a podcast for Bengals fans, so I'm guessing
that you don't want to hear too many radio replays
from Sunday's game in Minneapolis, so let's boil it down
to just a few key plays.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
On second and ten, Browning, moving around in the pocket,
begins scrambling, throws a terrible throw, and it is intercepted
by Isaiah Rodgers. He's sprinting up the sideline into Bengals
territory and on his way to the end zone. Touchdown
Minnesota eighty six yards on the runback by Isaiah Rogers.
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In fairness to Jake Browning, I didn't see it live,
but that pass was tipped ever so slightly by safety
Harrison Smith, so the throw itself wasn't terrible, just the
end result. The Bengals fell behind seventeen to nothing before
Evan McPherson booted a forty five yard field goal about
five minutes left in the half. The defense promptly forced
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a three and out that included a sack by Chris Jenkins.
He had one and a half in the game, and
the Bengals offense drove to the Minnesota thirty six with
a chance to score again before getting the ball back
to begin the third quarter. Two minutes to go in
the half, Browning waiting for a shotgun snap with Drew
Sample in the backfield to block Browning with a quick
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pass out to the right, It is caught by Fant
He gets hit around the shoulders and loses the ball.
The Vikings are running it back and it looks like
they'll take it to the house. Isaiah Rodgers scored on
a pick six, and now he scores on a puffle
recovery That sixty six yard run back made it twenty
four to three and killed any momentum the Bengals were building.
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Here's Jake Browning.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Right for the half is really when it's I think
it's snowballed. And so, yeah, you're down.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I think it was seventeen to three.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
We're driving, We're gonna get the ball after halftime, you know,
I feel like we kind of got into a rhythm
a little bit across the fifty and you know, ended
up having another and so, you know, I think just
in general, I mean, anytime you turn the ball over
that much, you're gonna you're gonna get blown out. And
it's and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Two more lost fumbles in the second quarter and an
interception in the third made the turnover difference five nothing.
That's obviously the most significant stat in the Vikings forty
eight to ten win. It ended Cincinnati's seven game winning
streak going back to last year, and the Bengals will
need to put it behind them quickly before playing a
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Monday night road game in Denver next week. Here's more
from Jake Browning.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
We got work today and you got to sit in it,
and you gotta go through those emotions of like just
being miserable, and then you got to watch the tape
and and find your key things that you need to
focus on for me to do my part and making
sure that we move the ball better on offense and
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don't turn the ball over and get some points up
on the board and so so uh yeah, I mean
it's kind of the same process whether you whether you
win or lose, but obviously it's just much more painful
when you lose, especially the way we did. You gotta
be able to bounce back. I mean, very fortunate it
only counts as one loss, and uh, you know, I
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think for me, it's just a big emphasis on you know,
there's a lot of things that happen on offense that
that didn't go well, and for me, it's really focusing
on what my role was in that and what I
need to do to get better and collectively as a group,
we gotta we gotta respond, and so uh yeah, I
think that's that's the hardest part, is just going out
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and not playing well and dealing with all the emotions
after that, and uh and bouncing back. Nobody's happy about
what just happened, and obviously and so you know, finding
the balance of like knowing sitting in that feeling, knowing
how that feels, going through watching the film and addressing
the issues, but not letting this emotion of how you
feel after a game like that, you know, turn into people,
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you know whatever, turn it into a bad locker room.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I don't think that's the case at all. You know,
we got work today, but we had a lot of turnovers,
and that's kind of what happens. And so trying to
separate what you put on film from the emotion of
how you're feeling after having a very poor game.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Routing completed seventy percent of his passes and did throw
a touchdown pass in the fourth quarter. Routing in the
shotgun now back at the nine yard line. Sample in
the backfield to his left. Routing drops back, looking bouncing
in the pocket, floats a pass caught by Sample, great
inside cut runs toward the goal line, touchdown, Bengals. We're
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in the locker room with Drew. Sample caught a touchdown
pass for the Bengals today. One of the bright spots.
And what was an unfortunate game. How difficult was it
when they scored those defensive touchdowns in the first half
to kind of get the ball rolling for the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, obviously, turnovers killed us. You know, that's across the league.
That's the number one thing, you know, we can't do,
and so that's on us to be to be better,
and that was really the thing that kind of shifted
the game in their favor.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You know, we had some a few.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Explosives, a couple of drives that were starting to get going,
and I think we had a couple and then we
had the turnovers on all those, so that kind of
killed the momentum. And you know, Di did a good
job of capitalizing those on the you know, scoring and
then their offense did a good job, you know, not
giving up takeaways. So yeah, I mean that was obviously
a big part of the game, and you know, we
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just weren't good enough.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Really in any face, felt like that second defensive touchdown
was really the one that kind of made it difficult
because you just scored, you had the ball near midfield
two minute warning. It felt like maybe if you score
and you get the ball to begin the third quarter,
you're still in the game, and that one was really
difficult overcome.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, I mean I think I think they all might
have been on the other side of the fifty and
like plus territory. So you know that was just not
only giving them points, but taking away, like you said,
points that we could have you know, slowly crawled away
back in the game. And you know, obviously at the half,
we knew we had to come out and just try
to flush that and you know, go in the second
half and then you know, we were really just not
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able to get anything going.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So it was it was tough. Hats off to them,
but we definitely need to be better.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I know, you guys had a lot of confidence in
Jake Browning coming into the game. He earned that with
what he did two years ago. How do you feel
about the likelihood that he pushes this behind him and
moves on and plays well going forward.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah, I mean I think we all have to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Obviously, that's that hurts, that's I mean, you never want
to lose like that. It's and it's embarrassing. You never
want to put that on tape, But it happened, and
you know, I got on it. We got to own it,
you know, as a group, as a team, and you know,
we have an extra day this week. Going into Monday
night in the prime time. So you know, we got
to learn from it and and move on really and
try to figure out how we can do better not
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do that. And you know, I think we still have
a really talented, full of team. We got great players
on all sides of the ball. So we just gotta
we just gotta learn from it, flush it when it's
time to flush it and get back and you know,
get really playing our style football.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And you know, we gotta find that it's a noisy
place and aggressive defense. Does that feed on itself once
they start to build a lead.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I mean, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I mean I thought we did a pretty good job,
you know, communicating different things in the noise, but obviously,
you know, feeding on the turnovers, that's that's big for them.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
And you know their offense fed on that too.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Obviously took a lot of pressure off them us giving
up those points. So we made it hard on our
defense for sure. But like I said, we just gotta
we just gonna be better. I think no one's gonna
shy away from that. We're a team and we're gonna
bounce back from this. And that's all you can do.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
The biggest thing the Bengals have to get fixed. Is
the running game. Cincinnati averaged about two and a half
yards per carry and Chase Brown wound up with three
yards on ten attempts. Chase talked about it with the
reporters after the game.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
The main thing to take away from today is, you know,
it's not gonna get any worse than this, and we
got to learn from it and move on.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
What is that say to you guys after the game?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
After the game?
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Yeah, pretty much just that. I mean, you know, we
gotta put this behind us. Five turnovers is you know
that's gonna be the result every single time.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
You know, ball security was a.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Big issue today, so I mean, you know, a lot
of self inflicted wounds, you take those away. I mean,
we probably still didn't play good enough to win the game,
but you know it's it's not that big of a point.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Spread for you personally, Chase.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
How frustrating has this first three games been for your production?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Frustrating?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
You know for me, wins wins mean a lot, So
I mean put production aside. Obviously, you know the big
games will come and you know the production will come.
But I think the main thing is is winning games
and when you lose it it it it's it.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It it's different.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
So I mean, obviously we gotta look at ourselves in
the mirror and figure out where we gotta get.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Better and move on.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Because of the point differential, there will be a lot
of people that will look at this game and the
fact that it was the first game without Joe question
if you guys are going to be able to be
the offense that you want to be, what would you.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Say to that?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Yeah, that's fine. I mean, you know, let people, you know,
have their own opinion about us, and you know what
we're capable of. But as long as we stay tight
and you know, focus on getting better and you know,
get out of our feels and put this behind us,
we'll be just fine. I think we gotta take the
big main thing that you know, we gotta take away
as a team is, you know, we got to play
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with the chip on our shoulder, like whatever people say.
You know, as long as we're good in this locker room,
we'll be We'll be just fine.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
Where is the better run game to start with, Jason?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Where does that start? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And I think in the main thing that reflects a
good run game is physicality, just movement, breaking tackles, getting
up to the second level, making big plays. So I
think you know that'll come, and it'll come.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Now, let's hear from head coach Zach Taylor, who spent
a couple of minutes with Dave Lapham after the game.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Forty eight to ten is a tough pill to swallow.
What's your first thought? Turnovers?
Speaker 9 (12:05):
You know, you lose the turno bet on the first
half four to nothing, two of them for touchdowns on
the road. In this environment, that's gonna be tough to
be able to overcome that. Added a fifth one in
the second half, put another ball on the ground, didn't
get any on defense, and so it's a very simple
recipe for success or a lack of When you go
on the road and you turn the ball over five
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times and you get none of them, typically the score
might it's gonna be pretty ugly.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
And that's what it was today and road. There are
places to visit on the road, and then there are
other places to visit the road. In terms of crowd noise,
this is one of the loudest. I mean that they
can really get after it, they can get going. The
momentum can affect how they react to what's going on
in the football game. How difficult was that crowd noise
to deal with.
Speaker 9 (12:50):
I mean, we gave him point to sure about and
so the crowd didn't cause turnovers. The crowd didn't do
any of that. We just didn't perform well enough to
be able to win the game. And that's ultimately at
the end of the game, it was all phases. We
didn't do enough to make a play at the right time.
On defense, I thought in the first half the defense
gave us some positive things. We handed them fourteen points.
That's not on the defense. So again, just collectively, we
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got to find a way when when a unit's down,
for the other unit to somehow pick them up and
create a big play. And today we just as a
team failed in all phases.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
I think you make a great point the defense, really,
I mean, you know, it's hard to say they played
well when forty eight points were put up on the board,
but they were in a tough situation field position. But
all in all, I mean I thought that maybe the
defense might have been the best of the three units today.
Speaker 9 (13:35):
There's no question. I mean, we put them in a
terrible spot offensively in the first half, and I think
our you know, our red zone defense at times this
season has been has been impressive. We've got some takeaways
and some turnovers and downs. Today the red zone defense
wasn't good enough and so that led to some touchdowns
when we did give them short fields. So we got
to continue to improve there. But again it's it's this
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loss is collectively as a team, we're all going to
own this.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
So three weeks into the season, the Bengals are two
and one and tied for first in the AFC North.
The Steelers are two and one after a twenty one
to fourteen win at New England. The Ravens are one
in one heading into a Monday night home game against Detroit,
and the Browns got their first win, stunning the Packers
thirteen to ten as Cleveland rookie Andre Schmidt hit a
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fifty five yard field goal to win the game as
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Now time for the radio guys recap.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Lap.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You don't make it to the NFL if you don't
have a tremendous amount of pride, and the Bengals pride
took a hit, a big time hit today. How do
they deal with it?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Own up to it?
Speaker 8 (15:02):
You know, the whole story of the game, you know, beginning, middle,
and end is five turnovers and you know some be
in return for touchdowns. You just can't you can't survive
in the National Football League giving people that kind of
an advantage over you. The game was literally over at halftime,
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in the first thirty minutes of the football game. It
was it was way out of control. The Bengals had
a monumental comeback ahead of them, they didn't have it
in them to do it today.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So again we.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Boiled down to five turnovers. There were you know, mental
errors on the turnovers. I'm sure there were physical errors
in the turnovers, I know. So it's going to be
interesting to see how they bounce back, how quickly they
bounced back, both as you know, players and coaches.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You know, nationally, people are going to say, well, see
Joe Burrow is out. This team's in trouble. How do
the Bengals fight that and remain as confident in Jake
brown as they appeared to be prior to the game.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
Yeah, I think I think that the thing you have
to do is get over that as quickly as you
possibly can. I mean, make it a make it a
memory of the past. You can't let let it, you know,
you can't let it just weigh on you. You can't harbor,
you know, the wishing that Joe Burrow was you was
your starting quarterback, because he's not anymore. And that's just
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the nature of the beast. That's the reality of the situation.
A lot of times, reality sucks, and reality sucks a
big time right now for this football team. But Jake
Browning is going to have to do everything he possibly can,
both mentally and physically to get this team, you know,
out of the doldrums.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The biggest mystery of the year through three games is
why the Bengals have not been able to get Chase
brown going. He was so good in the last eight
games that he played last year. The numbers today are staggering.
Ten carries a total of three yards. His long run
of the day was four. How do they get Chase
brown going in the running game?
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Those numbers are almost impossible. I mean it literally is
almost impossible to think that on ten carries, Chase Browns
will only generate a third of a first down three yards,
I mean less than a third of a first down.
If I'm an offensive lineman, I'm embarrassed by that. I
won't I couldn't stand to look at it. If a
coach put it up on a board, I'd throw up.
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And you just you just can't have that. I mean,
if if your running game is that bad, if you
if you you know you can't get anything done on
the ground and make a defense at least think that
you have a chance or shot to run the football.
You get no chance in a football game. I don't
care if it's junior high school, high school, college, or
the National Football League, you just can't have that. As
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a former offensive lineman, that that to me is mind boggling.
I just can't wrap my mind around that one that
And you know, I'm sure Jake Browning feels the same way.
He can't wrap his mind around it either. I mean,
I bet when guys came trudging back to the huddle
after another, you know, less than sound effort. I'm sure
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he was like, come on, what the hell is going
on here, Let's shake ourselves, let's get this going. We're
a much better football team than we're showing today. And
I think that was kind of the theme of the entire day.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Jake was nineteen for twenty seven. That's a pretty good
completion percentage, one hundred and forty yards, one touchdown, two
pick six, two interceptions rather including one pick six. How
do you think that he weathered the storm, so to speak,
considering that there was quite a bit of pressure applied
by the Minnesota Vikings defense during the course of the game.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Yeah, I think that everybody has to take a look
at that. I think, you know, coaching staff, quarterbacks, running backs,
tight ends, wide receivers, offensive line, everybody has to take
a look at why the pressure was so extraordinary, why
it was so extreme, why the Bengals didn't have time
to operate. You know, I thought it was unfair to
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Jake Browning. You know, hanging this loss on Jake grinning
is is a disservice. I think, you know, I've looking
at him in the locker room. I felt my heart
was aching for the guy. I felt badly for the guy.
As a foreign player. I know what's going through his mind,
and uh, you know it's not it's not pretty thoughts
right now. So you know, hopefully, uh, he's able to regroup,
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shake himself, pull himself up out of the you know,
out of the doldrums, and and go compete next week.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He played twelve years of pro football, four years of
major college football at Syracuse. There were probably games like this,
if not quite this bad, what was the next week?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Like?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Tough?
Speaker 8 (19:39):
You know, it's uh, you're you're you're taking a look
at everything about yourself from the inside out. What are
you made of? How important is the game? And uh,
I mean it's it's it's painful and it's difficult to
lay an egg like that, but you did it. So
now what do you do? Well? Do you quit? No,
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you can't quit. You don't do that. Everybody's looking, everybody's watching.
What's the next thing you're gonna do? How you're gonna
rectify the situation? You know, you're gonna listen to your coaches,
You're gonna listen to your teammates, and everybody's gonna have
some input as to how it can be better on
a snap by snap basis, because that's what it's gonna take.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Nobody in the NFL is gonna feel sorry for you.
Nobody's gonna play any uh, you know, any easier against
you and make your job less, uh less of a challenge.
They're coming after you.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
They had some lopsided losses with Joe at quarterback. It happens.
Do you think it affects a team's confidence more when
the backup quarterback is in.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
That's an interesting question, you know. I think as a
form alignment, I would feel worse that. You know, we
just could not figure out a way to hit it
done and to put together drives and and and make plays. Yeah,
I mean we had games like that, you know. I
mean Bob Trumpy, Kennyan and Bob Johnson when I was
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younger player games like that, and those guys taught me to, okay,
just let it roll off your back like water off
off the duck's back. You know, it's there's nothing more
you can do about it. You know, if you uh,
if you harbor, if you go home and think about
it every night, you're you're you know, retarding the the
opportunity you might have to bounce back against the next opponent.
So you know, just go home at night and get
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some get some rest at night. It's because I'm telling you,
after a game like this, got zero sleep. I didn't
sleep a wink man. I mean it was you know,
every time I close my eyes would be nightmares about
the football game. So but you know, you got to
get your proper rest, You got to get your proper diet.
Uh train right and uh let the trainers and equipment
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guys and everybody help you and get back on course.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So it's on to Denver next Monday night. The Broncos
are one and two after losing by a field goal
to the LA Chargers. Now time for this week's fun
fact segment. On Monday September first, six days before the
season opener in Cleveland, the Bengals signed thirty four year
old eleven year VET Mike Panell, a three hundred and
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thirty two pound run stopping defensive tackle. Here's defensive coordinator
Al Golden. Shortly after Panell signed with Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
His stature, his reputation, the fact that he wanted to
be here, those are important. Those are important to us,
and he brings a physical presence, and obviously he can
still do it at his age, which is great. So
I'm excited to see where he's at today and then
go from there.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
So you like about a statue?
Speaker 7 (22:39):
What do I like about it?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Have you seen him?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Once you see him, you understand why Panell has had
such a long NFL career. He is physically imposing and
hard to move. Now let's meet the person under the pads.
Time for some fun facts with defensive linemen and two
time Super Bowl champion Mike Panell. Mikey won those rings
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with Kansas City in the twenty nineteen and twenty twenty
three seasons. Describe what it's like when the confetti is
falling and you've just won a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Oh man, it's a dream comes true.
Speaker 10 (23:15):
I was fortunate enough to have my son there and
we able to have that ever lasting memory of playing
in the confetti together.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Now that is awesome. How old was he the first
time you won?
Speaker 10 (23:25):
The first time we won, he was about four, But
we were in confetti the last time he was six,
So that was good.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
What a great thrill that must be for him. On
what occasions do you wear either or both super Bowl rings?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (23:39):
It has to be a very special occasion, usually a
ceremony or two, but usually these momentos that the family
went to see. So I bring a good little barbecue
conversation piece.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Certainly better than anything I have in my jewelry collection.
We're visiting with Mike Panell. You've lived remarkable life, and
I want to start. When you were two years old,
were diagnosed with kidney cancer. You had chemo for eighteen
months before your fifth birthday. Do you remember that at
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all and how did it affect you in the years
that followed.
Speaker 10 (24:13):
Fortunately, I mean, you know, under those circumstances, I didn't
have so much of a memory of it, just from
what my family told me. But you know, making it
through that, and you know I didn't really shape or
feel any differently, And you know my childhood, my family
was really supportive. So it was just a blessing. You know,
try to live every day, you know, appreciative of the
gift that was given to me.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
About ten years later, you got the news that the
chances of it coming back were slim to none. But
you were still a young kid at that point. Was
the fear behind you when you got that news?
Speaker 10 (24:44):
I mean absolutely, I think My mother did a great
job of displaying strength and confidence through that situation to
where I wasn't even thinking about it. So when we,
you know, thankfully got the news, I was in remission
and you know there was very very slim chance of
it coming back.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
More relief from my mom.
Speaker 10 (24:59):
You know, she kind of kept me in the bubble
where she always you know, had me just living life,
not thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Speaking of your mom, going to ask you about one
other traumatic incident, and then we'll move on to football.
You grew up in Aurora, Colorado. It's obviously known for
the shooting at the movie theater. You thought that your
mom was at a movie that night, is that correct?
Speaker 10 (25:21):
Yes, she was actually supposed to attend that. I believe
it was a dark night when it released. But fortunately,
and thank god, she fell asleep. So that was a
big relief for our family, and you know, just thankful
that turned out the right way.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
All right, let's turn to football. You started your college
football career at Scottsdale Community College. After starring there, you
went to Arizona State. Unfortunately it wasn't a good fit.
Did you feel like your chances of doing what you're
doing now were slipping away.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
No, not necessarily. My mother. You know, my family, we
always had a strong foundation.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
I've always had a supreme confidence and you know, my
ability to play football through the circumstances. You know, I
always knew what I had to do to get there.
And you know, focus was more one of the bigger
things I need to get in on and maturing a
little bit. So through all that adversity, I still had
my you know, eyes and vision on the goal of
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
We're chatting with Mike Panell. You finished your college football
career at Colorado State Pueblo. It's a Division two school
playing for the thunder Wolves. It's quite a ways from
the bright lights of the NFL. What was that year like?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It was actually awesome.
Speaker 10 (26:31):
You know, thank God for John Ristin that whole coaching
staff that really guided me through the process, play some
good ball. There was still getting you know, recruited, end
up getting invited to the Combine.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
So it was good for me, very humbling and I
feel like what I needed at that time.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
The coach you just mentioned, the head coach there, said
he knew you were different when he saw you do
a backflip. Now you are six now When was the
last time you did a backflip?
Speaker 10 (26:58):
Probably in the off season. I do it a couple
of times just to test my still athletic ability.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So yeah, last offseason.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Now that is impressive. We would like to see video
of that, but I'm gonna take your word for it.
You're in your twelfth NFL season, you are playing for
your sixth NFL team. You've had a lot of teammates
over the course of the last decade. Who are some
of your closest friends on other NFL rosters?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (27:22):
Man, that list is, you know, pretty long. But you know,
I had a great group of veteran guys. You know,
Clay Matthews, you know, Leonard Williams are very close. Chris
Jones is one of my best friends, and you know
we talked football all the time. George Karloff Kiss, I mean,
to Mario Davis, Tymon Matthew. The list goes on, man,
Michael Bennett. I mean, just those were guys that are
really instrumental in, you know, just the process of maturity
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and becoming a veteran.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Do you look at it as a plus that you
have been with a few different teams and therefore just
have gotten to know so many great players.
Speaker 10 (27:52):
Absolutely, and I think you know, in any circumstance, you
know that many teams have called you and use your
abilities on.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
The football field.
Speaker 10 (27:59):
You have to take that a little bit, a little
pride in that that you're able to fit in multiple systems,
that you're able to play multiple schemes with different coaches.
So for me, I take pride in it.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
So I read an interview where you said, I want
to be part of something where I am more needed
than wanted. Did you feel needed when the Bengals reached
out to you?
Speaker 10 (28:21):
You know, the unfortunate circumstances while I left Kansas City
and coming here and speaking with the coaching staff, you know,
the assistant coast, a GM, everybody being on the same page.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It was very welcome in and I knew that that's
where I needed to be.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You've earned the reputation of being a great run stopper.
That's a gritty job. What makes a great NFL run stopper?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I think this technique mentality.
Speaker 10 (28:45):
Man, you gotta become a student of the game, and
it's just want to at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
And I take great pride in that.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
All Right, A few wild card topics. Now for Mike Panell,
who is your all time favorite athlete in any sport?
Speaker 10 (28:58):
Ooh, all time favorite a fleet in any sport. I
have to give it to Mike Tyson. Why Iron, Mike?
He was just iconic, man, you know the way he
came in, you know, being the youngest heavyweight world champion ever.
He was just very you know, iconic as someone to
look up to in the nineties, what he did with
sports and business.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
When you spend twelve years playing in the NFL, you
do well financially. What do you like to splur John?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (29:21):
Well, now you know my kids is what my kids
likes to splurgs on. But you know, for me, it's
traveling usually. You know, I go to Tokyo every off season.
I've been to Iceland and all of the islands, Greece, Australia.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
So really just traveling eating good food.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Tokyo every off season. Why Tokyo.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
Oh, I love the food, love the culture. So you know,
I try to spend at least ten to twelve days
out there every off season, usually cherry blossom season, and
enjoyce food.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
How did you choose it the first time?
Speaker 10 (29:50):
It's just always somewhere I wanted to go, and you know,
after the season was over, COVID hit then I couldn't go.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Then I say, as soon as it opens up on
my ghost.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Do you have any talents than playing football.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I'm an amazing chef.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
I can cook, you know, I can plate, So I'll
definitely put my head on that for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, I'm glad that you didn't say I'm a good cook.
You said I'm an amazing chef.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
That's next level amazing chef. You know I can do
it all. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So if you're trying to impress somebody, what's your go
to dish?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I'm I try and puss my lady friend. Or this
is just a family type thing.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Let's go lady friend a lady friend.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
We're probably going to do a dry age steak, and
we're going to do a black truffle lobster risotto with
a little bit of broccolini on the side, and then
we're gonna make sure we do a dessert. I'll probably
do a pumpkin turnover with vanilla being ice cream and
candy pecans with carmar drizzle. If I'm trying to press her, Yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Right, now you are being interviewed by the right person
because I am a foodie and that sounds amazing. What
is your favorite memory in twelve years in the NFL.
Speaker 10 (30:52):
He'll do the first time I went the Super Bowl.
That was awesome. You know, my mom being there. You know,
a lot of hard work into that and just reach
a pinnacle in that moment. So one of the first ones.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
All right.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Final question, This one's a little bit deep. If you
could meet anybody in history, living or deceased, who would
that person be?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Nikolai Tesla M.
Speaker 10 (31:16):
Yeah, I'd definitely want to meet him and see, you
know what type of person he is.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You into inventors, absolutely, but I just there's a lot
of mystery behind him. That's someone I would definitely like
to meet.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
All Right, this has been very interesting. Appreciate your time.
Best I've left the rest of the year.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
All right, thank you, boss.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
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the greatest thing since Kyle Brandt's full length interview with
Joe Burrow. Last week, before the Jacksonville game, the NFL
Network aired a three minute and thirty second interview with
the Bengals quarterback that was done by Kyle Brandt, But
after that version aired on TV, Kyle shared what he
called the director's cut on social media. It's sixteen minutes
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long and exceptional. Kyle clearly gave a lot of thought
to his questions, made Joe comfortable and got him to
open up. I think I've seen just about every long
interview that Joe has done since twenty twenty, and I
don't think anybody has done it better. If you haven't
seen it yet, just search for Joe Burrow Director's Cut.
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This is a podcast for Bengals fans, so I'm guessing
that you don't want to hear too many radio replays
from Sunday's game in Minneapolis, so let's boil it down
to just a few key plays.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
On second and ten, Browning, moving around in the pocket,
begins scrambling, throws a terrible throw, and it is intercepted
by Isaiah Rodgers. He's sprinting up the sideline into Bengals
territory and on his way to the end zone. Touchdown
Minnesota eighty six yards on the runback by Isaiah Rogers.
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In fairness to Jake Browning, I didn't see it live,
but that pass was tipped ever so slightly by safety
Harrison Smith, so the throw itself wasn't terrible, just the
end result. The Bengals fell behind seventeen to nothing before
Evan McPherson booted a forty five yard field goal about
five minutes left in the half. The defense promptly forced
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a three and out that included a sack by Chris Jenkins.
He had one and a half in the game, and
the Bengals offense drove to the Minnesota thirty six with
a chance to score again before getting the ball back
to begin the third quarter. Two minutes to go in
the half, Browning waiting for a shotgun snap with Drew
Sample in the backfield to block Browning with a quick
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pass out to the right, It is caught by Fant
He gets hit around the shoulders and loses the ball.
The Vikings are running it back and it looks like
they'll take it to the house. Isaiah Rodgers scored on
a pick six, and now he scores on a puffle
recovery That sixty six yard run back made it twenty
four to three and killed any momentum the Bengals were building.
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Here's Jake Browning.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Right for the half is really when it's I think
it's snowballed. And so, yeah, you're down.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I think it was seventeen to three.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
We're driving, We're gonna get the ball after halftime, you know,
I feel like we kind of got into a rhythm
a little bit across the fifty and you know, ended
up having another and so, you know, I think just
in general, I mean, anytime you turn the ball over
that much, you're gonna you're gonna get blown out. And
it's and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Two more lost fumbles in the second quarter and an
interception in the third made the turnover difference five nothing.
That's obviously the most significant stat in the Vikings forty
eight to ten win. It ended Cincinnati's seven game winning
streak going back to last year, and the Bengals will
need to put it behind them quickly before playing a
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Monday night road game in Denver next week. Here's more
from Jake Browning.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
We got work today and you got to sit in it,
and you gotta go through those emotions of like just
being miserable, and then you got to watch the tape
and and find your key things that you need to
focus on for me to do my part and making
sure that we move the ball better on offense and
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don't turn the ball over and get some points up
on the board and so so uh yeah, I mean
it's kind of the same process whether you whether you
win or lose, but obviously it's just much more painful
when you lose, especially the way we did. You gotta
be able to bounce back. I mean, very fortunate it
only counts as one loss, and uh, you know, I
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think for me, it's just a big emphasis on you know,
there's a lot of things that happen on offense that
that didn't go well, and for me, it's really focusing
on what my role was in that and what I
need to do to get better and collectively as a group,
we gotta we gotta respond, and so uh yeah, I
think that's that's the hardest part, is just going out
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and not playing well and dealing with all the emotions
after that, and uh and bouncing back. Nobody's happy about
what just happened, and obviously and so you know, finding
the balance of like knowing sitting in that feeling, knowing
how that feels, going through watching the film and addressing
the issues, but not letting this emotion of how you
feel after a game like that, you know, turn into people,
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you know whatever, turn it into a bad locker room.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I don't think that's the case at all. You know,
we got work today, but we had a lot of turnovers,
and that's kind of what happens. And so trying to
separate what you put on film from the emotion of
how you're feeling after having a very poor game.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Routing completed seventy percent of his passes and did throw
a touchdown pass in the fourth quarter. Routing in the
shotgun now back at the nine yard line. Sample in
the backfield to his left. Routing drops back, looking bouncing
in the pocket, floats a pass caught by Sample, great
inside cut runs toward the goal line, touchdown, Bengals. We're
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in the locker room with Drew. Sample caught a touchdown
pass for the Bengals today. One of the bright spots.
And what was an unfortunate game. How difficult was it
when they scored those defensive touchdowns in the first half
to kind of get the ball rolling for the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, obviously, turnovers killed us. You know, that's across the league.
That's the number one thing, you know, we can't do,
and so that's on us to be to be better,
and that was really the thing that kind of shifted
the game in their favor.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You know, we had some a few.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Explosives, a couple of drives that were starting to get going,
and I think we had a couple and then we
had the turnovers on all those, so that kind of
killed the momentum. And you know, Di did a good
job of capitalizing those on the you know, scoring and
then their offense did a good job, you know, not
giving up takeaways. So yeah, I mean that was obviously
a big part of the game, and you know, we
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just weren't good enough.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Really in any face, felt like that second defensive touchdown
was really the one that kind of made it difficult
because you just scored, you had the ball near midfield
two minute warning. It felt like maybe if you score
and you get the ball to begin the third quarter,
you're still in the game, and that one was really
difficult overcome.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, I mean I think I think they all might
have been on the other side of the fifty and
like plus territory. So you know that was just not
only giving them points, but taking away, like you said,
points that we could have you know, slowly crawled away
back in the game. And you know, obviously at the half,
we knew we had to come out and just try
to flush that and you know, go in the second
half and then you know, we were really just not
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able to get anything going.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So it was it was tough. Hats off to them,
but we definitely need to be better.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I know, you guys had a lot of confidence in
Jake Browning coming into the game. He earned that with
what he did two years ago. How do you feel
about the likelihood that he pushes this behind him and
moves on and plays well going forward.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah, I mean I think we all have to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Obviously, that's that hurts, that's I mean, you never want
to lose like that. It's and it's embarrassing. You never
want to put that on tape, But it happened, and
you know, I got on it. We got to own it,
you know, as a group, as a team, and you know,
we have an extra day this week. Going into Monday
night in the prime time. So you know, we got
to learn from it and and move on really and
try to figure out how we can do better not
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do that. And you know, I think we still have
a really talented, full of team. We got great players
on all sides of the ball. So we just gotta
we just gotta learn from it, flush it when it's
time to flush it and get back and you know,
get really playing our style football.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And you know, we gotta find that it's a noisy
place and aggressive defense. Does that feed on itself once
they start to build a lead.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I mean, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I mean I thought we did a pretty good job,
you know, communicating different things in the noise, but obviously,
you know, feeding on the turnovers, that's that's big for them.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
And you know their offense fed on that too.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Obviously took a lot of pressure off them us giving
up those points. So we made it hard on our
defense for sure. But like I said, we just gotta
we just gonna be better. I think no one's gonna
shy away from that. We're a team and we're gonna
bounce back from this. And that's all you can do.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
The biggest thing the Bengals have to get fixed. Is
the running game. Cincinnati averaged about two and a half
yards per carry and Chase Brown wound up with three
yards on ten attempts. Chase talked about it with the
reporters after the game.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
The main thing to take away from today is, you know,
it's not gonna get any worse than this, and we
got to learn from it and move on.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
What is that say to you guys after the game?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
After the game?
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Yeah, pretty much just that. I mean, you know, we
gotta put this behind us. Five turnovers is you know
that's gonna be the result every single time.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
You know, ball security was a.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Big issue today, so I mean, you know, a lot
of self inflicted wounds, you take those away. I mean,
we probably still didn't play good enough to win the game,
but you know it's it's not that big of a point.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Spread for you personally, Chase.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
How frustrating has this first three games been for your production?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Frustrating?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
You know for me, wins wins mean a lot, So
I mean put production aside. Obviously, you know the big
games will come and you know the production will come.
But I think the main thing is is winning games
and when you lose it it it it's it.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It it's different.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
So I mean, obviously we gotta look at ourselves in
the mirror and figure out where we gotta get.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Better and move on.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Because of the point differential, there will be a lot
of people that will look at this game and the
fact that it was the first game without Joe question
if you guys are going to be able to be
the offense that you want to be, what would you.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Say to that?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Yeah, that's fine. I mean, you know, let people, you know,
have their own opinion about us, and you know what
we're capable of. But as long as we stay tight
and you know, focus on getting better and you know,
get out of our feels and put this behind us,
we'll be just fine. I think we gotta take the
big main thing that you know, we gotta take away
as a team is, you know, we got to play
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with the chip on our shoulder, like whatever people say.
You know, as long as we're good in this locker room,
we'll be We'll be just fine.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
Where is the better run game to start with, Jason?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Where does that start? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And I think in the main thing that reflects a
good run game is physicality, just movement, breaking tackles, getting
up to the second level, making big plays. So I
think you know that'll come, and it'll come.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Now, let's hear from head coach Zach Taylor, who spent
a couple of minutes with Dave Lapham after the game.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Forty eight to ten is a tough pill to swallow.
What's your first thought? Turnovers?
Speaker 9 (12:05):
You know, you lose the turno bet on the first
half four to nothing, two of them for touchdowns on
the road. In this environment, that's gonna be tough to
be able to overcome that. Added a fifth one in
the second half, put another ball on the ground, didn't
get any on defense, and so it's a very simple
recipe for success or a lack of When you go
on the road and you turn the ball over five
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times and you get none of them, typically the score
might it's gonna be pretty ugly.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
And that's what it was today and road. There are
places to visit on the road, and then there are
other places to visit the road. In terms of crowd noise,
this is one of the loudest. I mean that they
can really get after it, they can get going. The
momentum can affect how they react to what's going on
in the football game. How difficult was that crowd noise
to deal with.
Speaker 9 (12:50):
I mean, we gave him point to sure about and
so the crowd didn't cause turnovers. The crowd didn't do
any of that. We just didn't perform well enough to
be able to win the game. And that's ultimately at
the end of the game, it was all phases. We
didn't do enough to make a play at the right time.
On defense, I thought in the first half the defense
gave us some positive things. We handed them fourteen points.
That's not on the defense. So again, just collectively, we
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got to find a way when when a unit's down,
for the other unit to somehow pick them up and
create a big play. And today we just as a
team failed in all phases.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
I think you make a great point the defense, really,
I mean, you know, it's hard to say they played
well when forty eight points were put up on the board,
but they were in a tough situation field position. But
all in all, I mean I thought that maybe the
defense might have been the best of the three units today.
Speaker 9 (13:35):
There's no question. I mean, we put them in a
terrible spot offensively in the first half, and I think
our you know, our red zone defense at times this
season has been has been impressive. We've got some takeaways
and some turnovers and downs. Today the red zone defense
wasn't good enough and so that led to some touchdowns
when we did give them short fields. So we got
to continue to improve there. But again it's it's this
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loss is collectively as a team, we're all going to
own this.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
So three weeks into the season, the Bengals are two
and one and tied for first in the AFC North.
The Steelers are two and one after a twenty one
to fourteen win at New England. The Ravens are one
in one heading into a Monday night home game against Detroit,
and the Browns got their first win, stunning the Packers
thirteen to ten as Cleveland rookie Andre Schmidt hit a
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Now time for the radio guys recap.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Lap.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You don't make it to the NFL if you don't
have a tremendous amount of pride, and the Bengals pride
took a hit, a big time hit today. How do
they deal with it?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Own up to it?
Speaker 8 (15:02):
You know, the whole story of the game, you know, beginning, middle,
and end is five turnovers and you know some be
in return for touchdowns. You just can't you can't survive
in the National Football League giving people that kind of
an advantage over you. The game was literally over at halftime,
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in the first thirty minutes of the football game. It
was it was way out of control. The Bengals had
a monumental comeback ahead of them, they didn't have it
in them to do it today.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So again we.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Boiled down to five turnovers. There were you know, mental
errors on the turnovers. I'm sure there were physical errors
in the turnovers, I know. So it's going to be
interesting to see how they bounce back, how quickly they
bounced back, both as you know, players and coaches.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You know, nationally, people are going to say, well, see
Joe Burrow is out. This team's in trouble. How do
the Bengals fight that and remain as confident in Jake
brown as they appeared to be prior to the game.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
Yeah, I think I think that the thing you have
to do is get over that as quickly as you
possibly can. I mean, make it a make it a
memory of the past. You can't let let it, you know,
you can't let it just weigh on you. You can't harbor,
you know, the wishing that Joe Burrow was you was
your starting quarterback, because he's not anymore. And that's just
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the nature of the beast. That's the reality of the situation.
A lot of times, reality sucks, and reality sucks a
big time right now for this football team. But Jake
Browning is going to have to do everything he possibly can,
both mentally and physically to get this team, you know,
out of the doldrums.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The biggest mystery of the year through three games is
why the Bengals have not been able to get Chase
brown going. He was so good in the last eight
games that he played last year. The numbers today are staggering.
Ten carries a total of three yards. His long run
of the day was four. How do they get Chase
brown going in the running game?
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Those numbers are almost impossible. I mean it literally is
almost impossible to think that on ten carries, Chase Browns
will only generate a third of a first down three yards,
I mean less than a third of a first down.
If I'm an offensive lineman, I'm embarrassed by that. I
won't I couldn't stand to look at it. If a
coach put it up on a board, I'd throw up.
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And you just you just can't have that. I mean,
if if your running game is that bad, if you
if you you know you can't get anything done on
the ground and make a defense at least think that
you have a chance or shot to run the football.
You get no chance in a football game. I don't
care if it's junior high school, high school, college, or
the National Football League, you just can't have that. As
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a former offensive lineman, that that to me is mind boggling.
I just can't wrap my mind around that one that
And you know, I'm sure Jake Browning feels the same way.
He can't wrap his mind around it either. I mean,
I bet when guys came trudging back to the huddle
after another, you know, less than sound effort. I'm sure
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he was like, come on, what the hell is going
on here, Let's shake ourselves, let's get this going. We're
a much better football team than we're showing today. And
I think that was kind of the theme of the entire day.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Jake was nineteen for twenty seven. That's a pretty good
completion percentage, one hundred and forty yards, one touchdown, two
pick six, two interceptions rather including one pick six. How
do you think that he weathered the storm, so to speak,
considering that there was quite a bit of pressure applied
by the Minnesota Vikings defense during the course of the game.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Yeah, I think that everybody has to take a look
at that. I think, you know, coaching staff, quarterbacks, running backs,
tight ends, wide receivers, offensive line, everybody has to take
a look at why the pressure was so extraordinary, why
it was so extreme, why the Bengals didn't have time
to operate. You know, I thought it was unfair to
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Jake Browning. You know, hanging this loss on Jake grinning
is is a disservice. I think, you know, I've looking
at him in the locker room. I felt my heart
was aching for the guy. I felt badly for the guy.
As a foreign player. I know what's going through his mind,
and uh, you know it's not it's not pretty thoughts
right now. So you know, hopefully, uh, he's able to regroup,
(19:22):
shake himself, pull himself up out of the you know,
out of the doldrums, and and go compete next week.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He played twelve years of pro football, four years of
major college football at Syracuse. There were probably games like this,
if not quite this bad, what was the next week?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Like?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Tough?
Speaker 8 (19:39):
You know, it's uh, you're you're you're taking a look
at everything about yourself from the inside out. What are
you made of? How important is the game? And uh,
I mean it's it's it's painful and it's difficult to
lay an egg like that, but you did it. So
now what do you do? Well? Do you quit? No,
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you can't quit. You don't do that. Everybody's looking, everybody's watching.
What's the next thing you're gonna do? How you're gonna
rectify the situation? You know, you're gonna listen to your coaches,
You're gonna listen to your teammates, and everybody's gonna have
some input as to how it can be better on
a snap by snap basis, because that's what it's gonna take.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Nobody in the NFL is gonna feel sorry for you.
Nobody's gonna play any uh, you know, any easier against
you and make your job less, uh less of a challenge.
They're coming after you.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
They had some lopsided losses with Joe at quarterback. It happens.
Do you think it affects a team's confidence more when
the backup quarterback is in.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
That's an interesting question, you know. I think as a
form alignment, I would feel worse that. You know, we
just could not figure out a way to hit it
done and to put together drives and and and make plays. Yeah,
I mean we had games like that, you know. I
mean Bob Trumpy, Kennyan and Bob Johnson when I was
(21:02):
younger player games like that, and those guys taught me to, okay,
just let it roll off your back like water off
off the duck's back. You know, it's there's nothing more
you can do about it. You know, if you uh,
if you harbor, if you go home and think about
it every night, you're you're you know, retarding the the
opportunity you might have to bounce back against the next opponent.
So you know, just go home at night and get
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some get some rest at night. It's because I'm telling you,
after a game like this, got zero sleep. I didn't
sleep a wink man. I mean it was you know,
every time I close my eyes would be nightmares about
the football game. So but you know, you got to
get your proper rest, You got to get your proper diet.
Uh train right and uh let the trainers and equipment
(21:44):
guys and everybody help you and get back on course.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So it's on to Denver next Monday night. The Broncos
are one and two after losing by a field goal
to the LA Chargers. Now time for this week's fun
fact segment. On Monday September first, six days before the
season opener in Cleveland, the Bengals signed thirty four year
old eleven year VET Mike Panell, a three hundred and
(22:12):
thirty two pound run stopping defensive tackle. Here's defensive coordinator
Al Golden. Shortly after Panell signed with Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
His stature, his reputation, the fact that he wanted to
be here, those are important. Those are important to us,
and he brings a physical presence, and obviously he can
still do it at his age, which is great. So
I'm excited to see where he's at today and then
go from there.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
So you like about a statue?
Speaker 7 (22:39):
What do I like about it?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Have you seen him?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Once you see him, you understand why Panell has had
such a long NFL career. He is physically imposing and
hard to move. Now let's meet the person under the pads.
Time for some fun facts with defensive linemen and two
time Super Bowl champion Mike Panell. Mikey won those rings
(23:02):
with Kansas City in the twenty nineteen and twenty twenty
three seasons. Describe what it's like when the confetti is
falling and you've just won a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Oh man, it's a dream comes true.
Speaker 10 (23:15):
I was fortunate enough to have my son there and
we able to have that ever lasting memory of playing
in the confetti together.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Now that is awesome. How old was he the first
time you won?
Speaker 10 (23:25):
The first time we won, he was about four, But
we were in confetti the last time he was six,
So that was good.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
What a great thrill that must be for him. On
what occasions do you wear either or both super Bowl rings?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (23:39):
It has to be a very special occasion, usually a
ceremony or two, but usually these momentos that the family
went to see. So I bring a good little barbecue
conversation piece.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Certainly better than anything I have in my jewelry collection.
We're visiting with Mike Panell. You've lived remarkable life, and
I want to start. When you were two years old,
were diagnosed with kidney cancer. You had chemo for eighteen
months before your fifth birthday. Do you remember that at
(24:09):
all and how did it affect you in the years
that followed.
Speaker 10 (24:13):
Fortunately, I mean, you know, under those circumstances, I didn't
have so much of a memory of it, just from
what my family told me. But you know, making it
through that, and you know I didn't really shape or
feel any differently, And you know my childhood, my family
was really supportive. So it was just a blessing. You know,
try to live every day, you know, appreciative of the
gift that was given to me.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
About ten years later, you got the news that the
chances of it coming back were slim to none. But
you were still a young kid at that point. Was
the fear behind you when you got that news?
Speaker 10 (24:44):
I mean absolutely, I think My mother did a great
job of displaying strength and confidence through that situation to
where I wasn't even thinking about it. So when we,
you know, thankfully got the news, I was in remission
and you know there was very very slim chance of
it coming back.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
More relief from my mom.
Speaker 10 (24:59):
You know, she kind of kept me in the bubble
where she always you know, had me just living life,
not thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Speaking of your mom, going to ask you about one
other traumatic incident, and then we'll move on to football.
You grew up in Aurora, Colorado. It's obviously known for
the shooting at the movie theater. You thought that your
mom was at a movie that night, is that correct?
Speaker 10 (25:21):
Yes, she was actually supposed to attend that. I believe
it was a dark night when it released. But fortunately,
and thank god, she fell asleep. So that was a
big relief for our family, and you know, just thankful
that turned out the right way.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
All right, let's turn to football. You started your college
football career at Scottsdale Community College. After starring there, you
went to Arizona State. Unfortunately it wasn't a good fit.
Did you feel like your chances of doing what you're
doing now were slipping away.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
No, not necessarily. My mother. You know, my family, we
always had a strong foundation.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
I've always had a supreme confidence and you know, my
ability to play football through the circumstances. You know, I
always knew what I had to do to get there.
And you know, focus was more one of the bigger
things I need to get in on and maturing a
little bit. So through all that adversity, I still had
my you know, eyes and vision on the goal of
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
We're chatting with Mike Panell. You finished your college football
career at Colorado State Pueblo. It's a Division two school
playing for the thunder Wolves. It's quite a ways from
the bright lights of the NFL. What was that year like?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It was actually awesome.
Speaker 10 (26:31):
You know, thank God for John Ristin that whole coaching
staff that really guided me through the process, play some
good ball. There was still getting you know, recruited, end
up getting invited to the Combine.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
So it was good for me, very humbling and I
feel like what I needed at that time.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
The coach you just mentioned, the head coach there, said
he knew you were different when he saw you do
a backflip. Now you are six now When was the
last time you did a backflip?
Speaker 10 (26:58):
Probably in the off season. I do it a couple
of times just to test my still athletic ability.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So yeah, last offseason.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Now that is impressive. We would like to see video
of that, but I'm gonna take your word for it.
You're in your twelfth NFL season, you are playing for
your sixth NFL team. You've had a lot of teammates
over the course of the last decade. Who are some
of your closest friends on other NFL rosters?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (27:22):
Man, that list is, you know, pretty long. But you know,
I had a great group of veteran guys. You know,
Clay Matthews, you know, Leonard Williams are very close. Chris
Jones is one of my best friends, and you know
we talked football all the time. George Karloff Kiss, I mean,
to Mario Davis, Tymon Matthew. The list goes on, man,
Michael Bennett. I mean, just those were guys that are
really instrumental in, you know, just the process of maturity
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and becoming a veteran.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Do you look at it as a plus that you
have been with a few different teams and therefore just
have gotten to know so many great players.
Speaker 10 (27:52):
Absolutely, and I think you know, in any circumstance, you
know that many teams have called you and use your
abilities on.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
The football field.
Speaker 10 (27:59):
You have to take that a little bit, a little
pride in that that you're able to fit in multiple systems,
that you're able to play multiple schemes with different coaches.
So for me, I take pride in it.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
So I read an interview where you said, I want
to be part of something where I am more needed
than wanted. Did you feel needed when the Bengals reached
out to you?
Speaker 10 (28:21):
You know, the unfortunate circumstances while I left Kansas City
and coming here and speaking with the coaching staff, you know,
the assistant coast, a GM, everybody being on the same page.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It was very welcome in and I knew that that's
where I needed to be.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You've earned the reputation of being a great run stopper.
That's a gritty job. What makes a great NFL run stopper?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I think this technique mentality.
Speaker 10 (28:45):
Man, you gotta become a student of the game, and
it's just want to at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
And I take great pride in that.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
All Right, A few wild card topics. Now for Mike Panell,
who is your all time favorite athlete in any sport?
Speaker 10 (28:58):
Ooh, all time favorite a fleet in any sport. I
have to give it to Mike Tyson. Why Iron, Mike?
He was just iconic, man, you know the way he
came in, you know, being the youngest heavyweight world champion ever.
He was just very you know, iconic as someone to
look up to in the nineties, what he did with
sports and business.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
When you spend twelve years playing in the NFL, you
do well financially. What do you like to splur John?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (29:21):
Well, now you know my kids is what my kids
likes to splurgs on. But you know, for me, it's
traveling usually. You know, I go to Tokyo every off season.
I've been to Iceland and all of the islands, Greece, Australia.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
So really just traveling eating good food.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Tokyo every off season. Why Tokyo.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
Oh, I love the food, love the culture. So you know,
I try to spend at least ten to twelve days
out there every off season, usually cherry blossom season, and
enjoyce food.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
How did you choose it the first time?
Speaker 10 (29:50):
It's just always somewhere I wanted to go, and you know,
after the season was over, COVID hit then I couldn't go.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Then I say, as soon as it opens up on
my ghost.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Do you have any talents than playing football.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I'm an amazing chef.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
I can cook, you know, I can plate, So I'll
definitely put my head on that for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, I'm glad that you didn't say I'm a good cook.
You said I'm an amazing chef.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
That's next level amazing chef. You know I can do
it all. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So if you're trying to impress somebody, what's your go
to dish?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I'm I try and puss my lady friend. Or this
is just a family type thing.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Let's go lady friend a lady friend.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
We're probably going to do a dry age steak, and
we're going to do a black truffle lobster risotto with
a little bit of broccolini on the side, and then
we're gonna make sure we do a dessert. I'll probably
do a pumpkin turnover with vanilla being ice cream and
candy pecans with carmar drizzle. If I'm trying to press her, Yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Right, now you are being interviewed by the right person
because I am a foodie and that sounds amazing. What
is your favorite memory in twelve years in the NFL.
Speaker 10 (30:52):
He'll do the first time I went the Super Bowl.
That was awesome. You know, my mom being there. You know,
a lot of hard work into that and just reach
a pinnacle in that moment. So one of the first ones.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
All right.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Final question, This one's a little bit deep. If you
could meet anybody in history, living or deceased, who would
that person be?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Nikolai Tesla M.
Speaker 10 (31:16):
Yeah, I'd definitely want to meet him and see, you
know what type of person he is.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You into inventors, absolutely, but I just there's a lot
of mystery behind him. That's someone I would definitely like
to meet.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
All Right, this has been very interesting. Appreciate your time.
Best I've left the rest of the year.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
All right, thank you, boss.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
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