September 8, 2024 • 40 mins
It’s the “Something In The Orange” edition of the Bengals Booth Podcast as Dan Hoard reviews a 16-10 loss to the Patriots with radio replays, locker room comments, and postgame analysis from Dave Lapham. Then, in this week’s Fun Facts conversation, team president Mike Brown joins Dan to reminisce about some of the funniest moments in team history.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, gain everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
the Bengals Booth Podcast. The Something in the Orange edition
as the Bengals open the season in Orange but come
up short on the scoreboard, losing to the Patriots sixteen
to ten. Coming up radio replays, locker room comments and
postgame analysis from Dave Lapham. Then, in this week's Fun
(00:26):
Facts Conversation, I'll discuss some humorous moments in franchise history
with team president Mike Brown. You will enjoy our trip
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time favorite line on a TV show, HBO ran a
Sopranos marathon over the last week or so, and when
I was flipping channels on the remote, I wound up
watching bits and pieces of several episodes, including one that
features perhaps my all time favorite line of dialogue. Christopher
is in the hospital having nightmares about going to Hell
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for his mob related sins. That freaks out Polly Walnuts,
who worries that he's headed there in the afterlife too,
so he quizzes Christopher about his nightmare and asks if
Hell was hot in his dream. After Christopher answers, I
don't know, Polly triumphantly says, the heat would have been
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the first thing you noticed. Hell is hot. That's never
been disputed. I have probably said hell is hot, never
been disputed a million times since first seeing that episode.
It cracks me up every time. Now let's get to
football and the radio replays from week one. The weather
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was perfect, and kudos to Bengals fans for turning the
jungle into an ocean of orange. It looked great in
person and on TV, and I, for one hope the
open and orange tradition is here to stay. The Bengals
offense got off to a slow start, but rookie punter
Ryan Rico didn't. His first NFL punt went fifty seven
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yards and his second set a franchise record wereco waiting
at the five. Snap is shoulder high, the right footed
punt is goosh, holy cow, it's going to fly to
the nine, bounce.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Us to the five, chip us toward the pylon and
just barely goes into the end zone that would.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Have been at the one foot line.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It's an eighty yard punt had traveled seventy yards in
the air. It's still sixty net yards despite bouncing into
the end zone.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Howard's a shot there.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That was the longest punt in team history, but not
the longest ever for Rico.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I think I had an eighty three at YU three. Yeah,
but that was a little while ago too, and they
come around every so often. It's fun, but yeah, definitely
couldn't be more grateful.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
The previous Bengals record was seventy five yards, shared by
Kevin Huber and Kyle Larson. Rico averaged sixty four and
a half yards on four punts in the game, and
that is also a new single game team record. The
Patriots took a seven to nothing lead on a three
yard touchdown run by Romandre Stevenson on the first play
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of the second quarter. But a few minutes later, the
Bengals offense started to cook Burrow in the shotgun. Moss
lines up to his right, Tanner Hudson motions out to
the left. Burrow drops back to throw fires caught by
Chase Jamar at the fifteen. The fourteen hits a first
down for Cincinnati. He took Christian Gonzales for a ride
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and the Bengals are in the red zone for a
first down. Two plays later, they went from the red
zone to the end zone. Drew Sample lines up in
the backfield to the left of Burrow. Shotgun snap Joe
looking right, He'll float it for the end zone.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
It if baby caught for the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Mike Kasiki against his former team with his first touchdown
in a Bengals uniform. He does his version of the gritty,
which isn't exactly perfectly executed, but the Bengals have scored
their first touchdown of the year.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Or so we thought. As the Bengals lined up for
the game tying extra point, the officials studied the replay
and determined that Kasiki did not complete the catch as
he went to the ground no touchdown, but the Bengals
still had the ball in the red zone. They're down
in eleven four the fifteen Burrow quick pass over.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
The minute cut by Tanner Hudson loses the football picked
up in.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
The end zone by the Patriots. They are running it
back to the ten to the fifteen and the tackle
is made at the seventeen yard line. Tanner Hudson, on
the verge of going into the end zone for a touchdown,
had the ball knocked away. Marcus Jones scooped up the
ricochet right at the goal line and ran it back
to the seventeen. Before Jamar Chase could make the stop.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
He exposed the football and Douger made him pay.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Instead of being a tie game, the Patriots were still
up by seven, and a field goal on the final
play of the half made it ten to nothing New England.
The Bengals defense promptly got a three and out to
begin the second half, but Cincinnati made another costly mistake.
The long snapper Cardona fires it back. Baringer launches a
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very very high punt. Charlie Jones, back pedaling and catching
at the ten, has a little bit of running room
He's to the fifteen to twenty the ball and the
Patriots recover at the twenty four yard line.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
That led to a field goal in a thirteen to
nothing lead. It was time for the offense to deliver
and the Bengals quickly drove into New England territory. The
Bengals line up to go for it on fourth and
two at the New England thirty six. Three receivers out
to the right burrow in the gun. He catches his
shoulder high snap, throws a screen out to the right.
Yo see Bosh tackle it to thirty five? What not
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short of the first down, oh Man. After five drives,
the Bengals still had not scored, but that changed the
next time. They got the ball, first and goal from
the five Burrow in the pistol again, turns left, gives
it to.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Moss right up the medal touchdown down Baby Bengals sack
Moss up the gut head into the end zone for
his first Bengals touchdown.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
What I liked on.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
That I saw a blocker finishing a defender into the
end zone on his backside. The Bengals were starting to
catch you control of the minus scrimmage. A little bit
mosses up the football field and boy, I'll tell you
watching this well, take him to the ground, finish him,
put him on his backside.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Good stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
It was thirteen to seven going to the fourth quarter.
A Patriots field goal made it sixteen to seven, but
the Bengals scored for the second drive in a row.
Shotgun snapped to Burrow four man rush throws down the
minute of the field, Chase with a catch in Patriots'
territory and he gets tackled in the middle of the
field at the thirty six huff New England by Jabril
Peppers twenty eight yards to Jamar Chase. That led to
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an Evan McPherson field goal that made it sixteen to ten,
and the defense forced to punt with about three minutes
to go. That gave the Bengals a chance for a
game winning drive. Unfortunately, it was not to be. The
Bengals elected to punt on fourth and five from their
own fifteen with two and a half minutes to go
in three timeouts remaining, but the Patriots were able to
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run for two first downs to win the game six
sixteen ten. Holding a team to sixteen points is usually
enough to win but not when you lose the turnover
battle to Zip, and not when you allow the opponent
to rush for one hundred and seventy yards on thirty
nine carries to dominate time of possession. Logan Wilson led
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the Bengals with thirteen tackles and three quarterback hits. And
I talked to them after the game, what aspect of
the game bothers.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
You them rushing for one hundred and seventy rushing yards.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
We've talked about all off season how we're going to
clean that shit up, and it's we didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So obviously we still I worked too. We gotta tackle better.
That starts with tackling.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, I was going to say, it seemed like there
were several of those running plays where you guys were
in position to get them down and maybe got two
more yards, four more yards, six more yards, whatever it
might have been.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
Yeah, it's seen those issues that were from last year.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I mean, we still have time to clean up.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
Obviously, we had sixteen more games, but we got to
let this one sting quite a bit, just because we
got to clean that that stuff up up the bath.
We gotta be better on defense. We gotta get turnovers.
We had no turnovers today, and when you win the
turnover battle, I think plus plus two in this league
is like winning percent, just like seventy eight.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So odds are high. When you get turnovers, you forced
to fumble.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Unfortunately, at the bottom of the pile, they guess they
willed that Stevenson held on long enough.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, I got he did. I thought Joseph came
up with it. I wasn't really sure who came up
with it. Everyone was seeing Osai came up with it,
and so I was hoping that we were. They were
letting him play through. But unfortunately it didn't go away.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into trying
to get off to a better start this year. Is
it a little bewildering it? For whatever reason, Week one
just has not gone well.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (09:44):
I mean, I'm not I'm not gonna panic, that's for sure.
You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna look myself in the mirror. See,
but I gotta do better.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And then because the defense gotta sue we can do better.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
Especial teams offense is do the same, and we gotta
put our best foot forward because it's not like we're
going into an easy environment, going to Ahead and playing
in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Appreciate your time Offensively, Joe Burrow was twenty one for
twenty nine, that's seventy two percent, but he had to
settle for short passes with the Patriots taking away the
deep ball. Joe threw for one hundred and sixty four
yards and had a passer rating of eighty six. Zach
Moss was the team's leading rusher with forty four yards.
Jamar Chase was the leading receiver with six catches for
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sixty two. For more on the offense, here's tight end
Mike KASICKI. I thought you had your first touchdown in
a Bengals uniform. I guess after seeing the replay the
ball skidded on the ground.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
What did you think.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
Yeah, I don't know. I haven't seen a replay of
it yet, so unfortunately I can't really comment on it
too soon. But definitely thought I had it. You know,
Obviously I wouldn't have, you know, celebrated like I did. Yeah,
if I didn't, But unfortunately, I mean, that was the
call and it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Kind of a frustrating day for the offense. Arded slowly
from the fourth possession on you moved the ball well,
but for whatever reason, those first three drives just couldn't
get it going.
Speaker 9 (11:07):
Yeah, it is, like you said, unfortunate. You know, we
got a lot of good players, a lot of great coaches,
and I think the right people in this in this
locker room. So you know, we'll go back watch the tape, uh,
see what we can do better improve on, and come
back next week ready.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
To feel like t was badly missed today.
Speaker 9 (11:31):
Uh. Yeah, me and a guy of his caliber and talent, Uh,
that's always gonna you know, affect the offense. But you
know some other guys got to step up, including myself,
and you know, next week's a new week.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You were a Patriot last year, that game kind of
felt like a bella check performance to me. They didn't
turn it over, they led the clock, They did the
things that the Patriots had historically done well when they went.
Speaker 9 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we've lost the turnover battle and
they won the time in possession battle and all that
kind of stuff. So uh, you know, at the end
of the day, you know, we got some things that
we have to clean up, and we know that, and
you know we'll be ready to come back in tomorrow
and get to work.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Half of the league got a bounce back in week one.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
That's where we are unfortunately.
Speaker 9 (12:16):
Yeah, no doubt, it's a long season. It's only September eighth,
so plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Mike, appreciate you time.
Speaker 9 (12:21):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Now. Let's hear what Zach Taylor had to say as
he spent a couple of minutes with Lap after the game.
Speaker 10 (12:28):
We got to tackle better and we got to get
the ball of them losing the turn of battle two
to nothing, you know, and the chart Troy three to
nothing with a failed first fourth down. But that's not
unacceptable in week one. That's not gonna win you any games.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Last year ten Fumbals lost two of them all season
long Clubber only losing two fumbles none to lose two
and like just a little bit over half had to
be disappointed.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Yeah, two loose with the ball. I mean it's very
simple there. There's not a big mystery to what I happened,
and so we'll certainly address it and do a better
job moving forward.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
When when something happens like that, funnel like that in
a low red zone going into score, I mean, it
just picks the ear up of the balloom, doesn't it.
Speaker 10 (13:06):
Well, that's you talk about contrimary football. You know, that's
where another side's got to rise up and get a
big stop. Unfortunately, they got ten points off of our turnovers,
three of them. The defense did a great job off
of a sudden change on a pump fumble held them
to a field goal. Excellent job. We just we obviously
can't fumble in the red zone and then we got
to get stopped once they get the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Controlling the line of scrimmage. Winning in the trenches is
such a big deal. Did the Patriots move guys out
of gap control responsibilities? Did they not hit them right?
Was a combination? I know you haven't had time to
check it.
Speaker 10 (13:35):
Yeah, we'll I have to watch the tay see that.
Speaker 11 (13:37):
So what the.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Spot running the football as well? And want to get
that on tracks as well.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Well.
Speaker 10 (13:43):
We certainly got a ton of momentum there in the
second half. You know, it felt like we were moving
the ball well, finished with the ball in the end
zone on a great run, great drive. We'd run the
ball well. Unfortunately, the next possession we got the ball
eight minutes down two scores, and so that kind of
takes the ball out of the back's hands in that case,
and we knew we were probably on to get two
possessions left in the game down two posion, so we
had to throw the ball to try to maximize the clock.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Coach, what what did you What did you tell the
guys after the game? What was your What was the
biggest part of your message?
Speaker 10 (14:07):
That's what I told you to turn of a battle
and tackling. You know, you can't expect to one week
one when they get two more possessions than you do.
You take points off the board, you know, from one
on the two yard line and and you know, so
it's just in the way we tackle it. At the
end of the game, particularly, it wasn't good enough.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And I and finally, I know a big key for
you was, you know, getting off to that good start
and you did a lot of things to get that accomplishment,
and that just didn't work out. Has to be really frustrating.
Speaker 10 (14:32):
You just got to take a deep breath. This is
what we wanted. Uh, we have to be accountable for
why it happened. For row and one, we got sixteen
left to play, tremendous opportunity to go on the road
next week and flip all this momentum. And so again
that's that's how we got to look at it. We
got to handle ourselves internally, not worry about the external noise.
We know we'll be there and I know our guys
will do a great.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Job of that.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And final, final, how did you think Jamar Chase played?
Speaker 10 (14:54):
I thought he gave us enough to make some plays
and and we got to continue give him opportunities.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Appreciate you, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So the Bengals are zero and one, just like the
Ravens and Browns. The only team in the AFC North
to win its opener was Pittsburgh. Chris Boswell kicked six
field goals, including three from fifty plus as the Steelers
beat the Falcons eighteen ten. Up next for the Bengals
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a road game next Sunday afternoon against the two time
defending Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs. The Bengals Booth
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the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. Now time for
their radio guys recap lap. One of the biggest question
marks about this team going into the season was would
they be able to stop the run better than they
did a year ago? And unfortunately, in Week one the
answer is now. One hundred and seventy rushing yards for
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the Patriots. I haven't seen how many of those were
yards after contact, but I'm guessing it was a bunch
for Amandre Stevenson.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
No doubt, Dan, he had one hundred and twenty of
them on twenty five carries. He had ten carries of
five yards of more. So it wasn't he wasn't just
like you know, Nicol and Diamondum. He hit one for
fourteen yards, it hits one for sixteen, the next carry
for seventeen two carries later, nineteen yard run. I mean
he had multiple carries of nine yards or more. He
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had another twelve yard run. I mean he was consistently
gashing the Cincinnati Bengals front seven. And I asked Zach
after the game that could he tell if it was,
you know, not mental mistake about filling the wrong gap
or getting moved out of the gap, because we talked
about a couple of times during the during the game,
I thought they were getting moved out of the gap
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more so than the mental era. But I don't know
what their gap control responsibilities are, so Zach SAIDY have
to look at the tape a little a little closer
to find out. But whatever it was, it certainly wasn't enough.
It wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Against the team with a questionable offensive line. Left guard out,
left tackle not thought to be very good. Right guard
rookie dominated in the run game, only surrendered one sack.
That's a very disappointing performance for Cincinnati against that line.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Absolutely because they never got them to where they had
to pass protect. And when they did, I mean four times,
Jacoby Brissett tucked it and ran the football for thirty
four yards. I mean, he was his legs were a factor.
We talked about him. I mean, he's a grown man.
The guy sixty four and thirty five pounds, and he's
got a very quick first step. When he decides to
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step up in the pocket, he's sudden, and he's strong,
and he breaks through arm tackles. You know, when you're
trying to sack him. You're not going to sack him
by grabbing him with one hand and sling him to
the ground, and it's just not going to happen. I
thought he was a force. I thought he ran through contact.
I thought, you know, he was a huge factor with
his throwing arm, made enough plays with the throwing arm
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and then his feet. He really hurt the Bengals because
I'd say probably four of those carries were on Three
of the four carries were probably on third down where
he moved the chains and kept drives alive.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
This was the first time in twenty five years that
Bill Belichick was not the Patriots head coach. If you
watched this game with no video of who was on
the sideline, you would have said it was a Belichick win.
Win the turnover battle to nothing, control the clock, no
silly penalties. I mean, Gerrod Mayo coached for the guy,
played for the guy, and today his team won like
he was still the coach.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
At halftime, he came off the field and told the
TV crew were winning in the trenches. Well, you know,
as a former lineman, that's all I was saying the
whole game. I mean, it was so evident, so obvious.
You didn't have to be a football einstein. I mean,
this guy is obviously a brilliant football coach. But yeah,
I mean everything that had to be done, the boxes
that needed to be checked to beat a team like
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the Bengals, they did. And the thing that's unbelievable to
me is brought up during the game. They fumbled it
ten times all of last year and lost two two
fumbels the whole season. Best in club history. They have
two fumbels that they lose in this football game a
little over two quarters. So you know, it's it's like
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the self destruction, you know, no ball security, shooting yourself
in the foot, whatever you want to call it. It cropped,
its its reared its ugly head, and you know, going
into score Tanner Hudson just tucked that ball away. You know,
don't don't hold it out there and give them an
opportunity in the.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Worst case scenario, get tackled at the one exactly.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I mean, it's like, you know, make sure that you
secure the pig man. I mean, don't don't hold it
out there. You know, in the in the low red zone,
they're coming, there's not that much ground to cover. They're
there if you hold it out there, man, it's like
a big old bulls eye on it, and they're going
for it. And they did and they got it out,
you know, and then I mean everybody's guilty. Special teams,
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you know, crucial fum will give them a short field.
They scored ten points off the two fumbles. So you know,
in a game that the Bengals lose by six, the
two turnovers, they didn't turn it over. So yeah, I
mean they played Bill Belichick New York Giant, New England
Patriot football good defense. I mean, they shut down the
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running game the Bengals. The Bengals running game was about
one hundred yards less. It was just over seventy yards
to one hundred and seventy for the New England Patriots.
So it was a football feel differential there. And of
course they didn't run an anywhere near as many times.
I mean, shoot, I guess they probably had more than
twenty five carries that Stevenson had. But I mean it
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was I thought in the second half it got better
and I thought they played better in the second half.
That first half was I mean, that wasn't Bengals football.
I was like, what am I looking at? I just
didn't recognize what was going on out there.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I'm really mystified by the first three drives. I mean,
you come out, Joe Burrow's gone through camp. Yeah, you're
missing t Higgins. But one, two, three point one, two,
three point one, two three point on your first three
drives of the season.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Stunning, totally, you know, and you're you're looking at a
Patriots defense that's finished in the top ten to four
out of the last five years. They were number seven
last year, and they were returning nine to eleven stars.
But the two stars they lost were significant, but particularly
one a jew Done is a rusher. But man, I
mean they had a lot of guys returning that gave
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up only ninety three yards a game on the ground
last year, which was fourth in the league but third
best in Patriot history. Three point three yards of carry
was the lowest that any team has had since the
merger in nineteen seventy. So this team knows how to
stop the run, and they had nine guys returning that
were in the same spots knowing how to stop the run,
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and the Bengals really struggled to get their running game going.
I thought, again, you know, almost any level of football.
If it's that imbalanced in the trenches, you're gonna have
trouble winning the football game.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Let's talk about it. Mr Chase targeted six times, six catches,
sixty two yards. I mean, it wasn't the greatest game
he's ever played, but that's pretty impressive considering his lack
of training camp snaps.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
No doubt. And the last catch he had was twenty
eight yards, you know, and it looked, you know, in
the middle of the football field. He found a found
an alley, found a lane in there, and he had
a couple of catches double digit yards. You know, I
think he started to climb into a rhythm a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It's when you're going against a defense that good, that
has that good players in the secondary as well, those
guys stopping the run. That's just a very well put
together defense by players that totally understand what they're trying
to do inside out in terms of disguise and you know, confusion, chaos,
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all the things that they try to do. It's it
is they're just orchestrated so well. It's like watching you know,
a dance performance, you know, the way everybody just is
in total steps, total sync with each other when when
they're playing that way, it's a it's a beautiful thing
to watch. Unless you're trying to operate against it, it's
not so fun to watch. But man, that was That
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was definitely a challenge for him, without any real snaps
anywhere training camp, to go out against that high level,
a caliber of football player that has is in another
level of football conditioning than you are. It's challenging. But
this guy's unique. He's a freakazoid man. He really is.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
No complaints about Ryan Rico. In his Bengals debut as punter,
he set a franchise record with an eighty yarder that
traveled seventy yards in the air before going into the
end zone. Averaged more than sixty yards per punt. Very
very impressive work by the young man from BYU.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I asked him if he had one any longer eighty
three he had at BYU, and uh, that's rarefied air,
you know, I mean, that's I'm not saying everybody can
punt the ball eighty three yards of Byu or anywhere,
but for him to an eighty yard here and it
was within a whisker of going out at the foot line,
it could have been an eighty yard net. I mean
it's a sixty yard net, but man, it could have
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been an eighty yard net. You talk about flipping the field, man,
you know, and Uh talked to him in the post game.
He's very humble about it, you know. He said it
would have been a lot better to have that record
in a victory, obviously, but I said, you know the
way you flip the field, though, Man, it's gonna be
a weapon that, you know, in football games during the
course of the season, the Bengals gonna lean on you. You've
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proven you can do it, and that's gonna be that's
gonna be tough to match every single week.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Though.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
But man, and I kidded with him, I said, you
know those Nikes, they got a dynamite cap in that toe,
and you know what did Nike do for you to
get you to explode that ball off your off your toe,
off your foot like that? And he goes, now here's
a standard Nike order, you know, but it's he is. Uh.
He's a big kid. I mean solid six ' four ish,
i'd say two hundred and thirty five pounds. I mean
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he looks like a like a linebacker or you know,
something of that tight end, something of that ilk and
he has got some strength in that body. Man.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So the Bengals open with a loss against the team
most of us thought they would beat. Now they've got
to try to beat a team in Week two that
not many people think they're going to win, at least
down the road in Arrowhead against Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, Kansas City has a dogfight against the Baltimore Ravens.
I mean could have been either team's football game. Kansas
City comes out on top. That's good. You know, Baltimore
has a loss in the AFC unfortunately, now so of
the Bengals. So, I mean, you're gonna go to Kansas
City and try to give them, you know, an AFC loss.
And Joe Burrow has beaten Mahomes three times. He's three
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and one. He's the only guy I think with a
winning record against Mahomes. Hopefully he can build on that.
It's going to be going to be a challenge. I
mean that place, I mean, Dan, we've been there, but man,
the crowd is so crazy.
Speaker 8 (25:57):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The Bengals certainly know what to expect. This is the
fourth straight year they've played on the road at Kansas City.
All right. So far, this hasn't been the most enjoyable podcast,
but I promise we are ending with a segment that
you will thoroughly enjoy. Season fifty seven is about to
begin for the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's always a treat
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to visit with team president Mike Brown. Mike, we typically
go down memory lane in these visits, and I thought
it might be fun to reminisce about some of the
more amusing moments in franchise history. Let's start in nineteen
eighty eight when your then eighty year old father, I
kind of Hall of Fame coach Paul Brown, did the
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Icky shuffle in public. Were you as surprised as everybody else?
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Not?
Speaker 11 (26:48):
Really, I knew how supple he was. He was an
extremely well coordinated man, and that stayed with him until
very close to the end. He was athletic as a youngster.
He could pull ball, played baseball, played center field, he
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played football, he played basketball. That part of it never
left him. As a kid. I would get involved with
him out in the backyard shooting baskets, and I thought,
you know, we got this old guy here. He won't
be able to do much in the heck, he could
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shoot far better than any of us could. He was
very accurate, and it's hard to lay off and then
go out and put it through, but he could do that.
Was more embarrassed by.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
It than.
Speaker 11 (27:49):
I know I should have been. I didn't look at
it like others did. I said, oh my god, he's
not doing that.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
He did you ever attempt the icky shuffle yourself?
Speaker 11 (28:01):
Not even to this moment were there any plans to
do shit, it's.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Not too late.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
One year later, in December of nineteen eighty nine, after
fans threw snowballs on the field at Riverfront Stadium, Sam
Whitch took the microphone into his hands and said, you
don't live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati. When he
grabbed that microphone, did you instantly think.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
Oh, oh, Sam was Sam and he had these moments
that would come upon him when he would act in
unexpected ways. I'll put it, and that was one of them.
I don't think it was pre thought or pre planned.
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I think it just blurted out and it was absolutely
perfect because our audience responded to that. They thought it
was funny, they thought it was appropriate, and they stopped
throwing snowballs. I've seen way back during that period when
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a league rule required coaches to ask for good behavior
from the stands or for the stands to quiet down
or whatever. And I've seen people like Chuck no and
top coaches, historically famous coaches, they just pretended because they
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knew they couldn't do anything about it. They try controlling
a group of fans when they're up in the bit.
It isn't something that's very easy. But Sam, to his credit,
managed it, and I give him great credit.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
For the moment.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Here's another Samwich moment, the time he ran up the
score on a coach he didn't like, Jerry Glanville. Sam
successfully tried non side kick up forty five nothing. He
kicked the field goal in the final thirty seconds up
fifty eight to seven. Needless to say, there was no
postgame handshake. Were you amused or horrified?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (30:13):
I thought it was probably not the thing to do.
But that was also Sam being Sam. He could have
those moments again. This one I would not have been
so approving.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
But.
Speaker 11 (30:31):
It didn't mean anything.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
It was maybe just.
Speaker 11 (30:39):
Being let's say, unpolite.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Any list of amusing moments in Bengals history has to
include something about Chad Johnson I've got a couple of things. First,
the two thousand and nine preseason game, after kickers Shane
Graham strained his groin, Chad drilled a game winning extra point.
Did you have any idea he could kick well?
Speaker 11 (31:05):
He always said he was a great soccer player, and
that was a preseason game, if I remember right up
in Boston. He went out and kicked the extra point through.
I think he did a kickoff which went fairly well,
and he did it with never having practiced doing this
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sort of thing. Belichick noticed it, and in my mind
the years later he picked up Chad. I thought, maybe
I'm wrong on this. That Chad's performance that day des
grabbed his attention and made the Chad register in his mind.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
In two thousand and four, Chad sent bottles of pepto
bismol to the Browns defense backs before a game, implying
that they would be sick to their stomachs after facing him.
Harmless fun or bulletin board material.
Speaker 11 (32:09):
I'd put that in the rather stupid department. If you're
going to go toe to toe with somebody, you don't
need to pretend it's professional wrestling. Don't rev them up.
That was what I was taught, and when he did
things like that, I probably wished he had not.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
For many fans, the greatest win in franchise history was
the Freezer bowld in nineteen eighty one AFC Championship game.
What was your reaction when my broadcast partner Dave Lapham
convinced his fellow offensive lineman to go sleeveless despite the
minus fifty nine Winshill.
Speaker 11 (32:52):
Well, you're bringing up all these stupid actions, that question,
and that was cold. That was so cold that it
didn't feel cold. It felt like burning sensation almost. And
I know the Army books say that you can withstand
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that kind of cold if you're appropriately dressed. Well, being
short sleeved as not being appropriately dressed. Our guys thought
it sent a message. Maybe it did. I think that
sent the message was when that door went up and
chargers came out on the field. It was cold. They
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weren't used to that. They right there and then I
think put their tails between their legs. They didn't want
any part of that weather. Our guys had practiced in
it forrested make him practice in that, and he wouldn't
let them think that it was anything out of the way.
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They were tough and coming from the West Coast when
you hadn't encountered any frigid weather, that would have been
a hard thing to.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Claim, didn't the Charger's owner generously offer to move the
game to San Diego.
Speaker 11 (34:14):
Yeah. He came up to me and said, I have
a good idea. He wanted to move the game out
to San Diego, and I said, I don't think so.
Our fans would be disappointed.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They said, all right, I know. This next one probably
was not amusing at the time, but Tim Crumrai broke
his leg in four places in Super Bowl twenty three
and refused to go to the hospital, insisting on watching
the game in the locker room for as long as
he was allowed. This was before cell phones. Were you
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aware that that was going on?
Speaker 11 (34:50):
I don't think so. It might have been aware later on,
but not immediately, as I recall, And Timmy is a
tough nut, about as rough and tough as they come.
If anyone could have he would have played with that.
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But it was obviously an impossibility. It was a serious injury.
The turf was bad. We went down there and that
was a grass field, but it was on a sand
base and overnight the ground's crew made a mistake. They
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left the suction on, so all the water was drained
out of the field and it took enough water to
keep the sod attached to the sand. You dig up
these huge divots like bathroom rugs and timmy, I always
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thought paid the price for them. That was the thought
that was in my mind. I didn't know about some
of the other aspects until later.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Before drafting Anthony Munio's number three overall in nineteen eighty,
you sent Forrest greg to Los Angeles to work him out,
and in a pass rushing drill, Anthony slammed him so
hard that he knocked Forrest to his backside. Was that
the final confirmation you needed to know that Anthony Munoz
was healthy and your guy.
Speaker 11 (36:29):
That was for Forrest the final cont For some of
the rest of us, it probably came along at different points.
I remember at the Rose Bowl game, I was with
my dad and brother and we were sitting watching it
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on TV. Anthony played and he just dominated the Ohio
State guy in front of it. That's when I became convinced.
But the thing with Anthony was that not everyone thought
he was going to heal up and be able to
handle our doctor George Balou said he would, and George
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was right, and of course Anthony had a Hall of
Fame career.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Forrest Gregg wanted players to wear suits on road trips,
so Harvard educated punter Pat mcinally showed up in a
limo wearing a tuxedo complete with top hat and cane.
Do you remember seeing that?
Speaker 11 (37:35):
I fortunately do not, and I wouldn't have cared if
I had. Pat was a live wiren he meant to
be funny and have fun. Forrest would have laughed. I think,
if I remember right, he did. He wouldn't have taken
exception to it at all. It was just any funny
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moment for the guys.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
All right.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Final one, This one is more touching than amusing. You
gave Adam Jones a chance to revive his career.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
He had eight.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Fine seasons with Cincinnati, and he was so appreciative of
your support that he commissioned an artist to do a
sketch of you and your father watching practice together. What
was your reaction when you receive that gift.
Speaker 11 (38:28):
I like Adam Jones. I know he had these incidents
off and on, but Adam Jones is quite bright. He's smart,
he's quick minded. He didn't come up the easy way,
and some of the discipline.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
That you lose that you learn with the.
Speaker 11 (38:52):
Normal average upbringing. He didn't come across the so there
be times when he would flare out instantly and suffer
the consequences. But if you knew him as a person,
you would admire him because he was fun to talk to,
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quick a mind, and I'll never forget how he was
when his little daughter was a premie and it was
predicted that the odds were against her. We were down
at training camp in Georgetown. After practice. He'd get in
his car every night and drive up the Cincinnati to
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tap on the window and look at her in the
nursery at the hospital. And the little girl today is
grown and is a wonderful young lady. So when I
think of Adam Jones, I think of things like that,
not some of these other problems that have I've cropped up.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Mike, I always enjoy our visits.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Thank you so much for your time and best of
luck this year.
Speaker 11 (40:06):
Thanks very much.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
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time favorite line on a TV show, HBO ran a
Sopranos marathon over the last week or so, and when
I was flipping channels on the remote, I wound up
watching bits and pieces of several episodes, including one that
features perhaps my all time favorite line of dialogue. Christopher
is in the hospital having nightmares about going to Hell
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for his mob related sins. That freaks out Polly Walnuts,
who worries that he's headed there in the afterlife too,
so he quizzes Christopher about his nightmare and asks if
Hell was hot in his dream. After Christopher answers, I
don't know, Polly triumphantly says, the heat would have been
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the first thing you noticed. Hell is hot. That's never
been disputed. I have probably said hell is hot, never
been disputed a million times since first seeing that episode.
It cracks me up every time. Now let's get to
football and the radio replays from week one. The weather
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was perfect, and kudos to Bengals fans for turning the
jungle into an ocean of orange. It looked great in
person and on TV, and I, for one hope the
open and orange tradition is here to stay. The Bengals
offense got off to a slow start, but rookie punter
Ryan Rico didn't. His first NFL punt went fifty seven
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yards and his second set a franchise record wereco waiting
at the five. Snap is shoulder high, the right footed
punt is goosh, holy cow, it's going to fly to
the nine, bounce.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Us to the five, chip us toward the pylon and
just barely goes into the end zone that would.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Have been at the one foot line.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It's an eighty yard punt had traveled seventy yards in
the air. It's still sixty net yards despite bouncing into
the end zone.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Howard's a shot there.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That was the longest punt in team history, but not
the longest ever for Rico.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I think I had an eighty three at YU three. Yeah,
but that was a little while ago too, and they
come around every so often. It's fun, but yeah, definitely
couldn't be more grateful.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
The previous Bengals record was seventy five yards, shared by
Kevin Huber and Kyle Larson. Rico averaged sixty four and
a half yards on four punts in the game, and
that is also a new single game team record. The
Patriots took a seven to nothing lead on a three
yard touchdown run by Romandre Stevenson on the first play
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of the second quarter. But a few minutes later, the
Bengals offense started to cook Burrow in the shotgun. Moss
lines up to his right, Tanner Hudson motions out to
the left. Burrow drops back to throw fires caught by
Chase Jamar at the fifteen. The fourteen hits a first
down for Cincinnati. He took Christian Gonzales for a ride
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and the Bengals are in the red zone for a
first down. Two plays later, they went from the red
zone to the end zone. Drew Sample lines up in
the backfield to the left of Burrow. Shotgun snap Joe
looking right, He'll float it for the end zone.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
It if baby caught for the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Mike Kasiki against his former team with his first touchdown
in a Bengals uniform. He does his version of the gritty,
which isn't exactly perfectly executed, but the Bengals have scored
their first touchdown of the year.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Or so we thought. As the Bengals lined up for
the game tying extra point, the officials studied the replay
and determined that Kasiki did not complete the catch as
he went to the ground no touchdown, but the Bengals
still had the ball in the red zone. They're down
in eleven four the fifteen Burrow quick pass over.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
The minute cut by Tanner Hudson loses the football picked
up in.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
The end zone by the Patriots. They are running it
back to the ten to the fifteen and the tackle
is made at the seventeen yard line. Tanner Hudson, on
the verge of going into the end zone for a touchdown,
had the ball knocked away. Marcus Jones scooped up the
ricochet right at the goal line and ran it back
to the seventeen. Before Jamar Chase could make the stop.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
He exposed the football and Douger made him pay.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Instead of being a tie game, the Patriots were still
up by seven, and a field goal on the final
play of the half made it ten to nothing New England.
The Bengals defense promptly got a three and out to
begin the second half, but Cincinnati made another costly mistake.
The long snapper Cardona fires it back. Baringer launches a
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very very high punt. Charlie Jones, back pedaling and catching
at the ten, has a little bit of running room
He's to the fifteen to twenty the ball and the
Patriots recover at the twenty four yard line.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
That led to a field goal in a thirteen to
nothing lead. It was time for the offense to deliver
and the Bengals quickly drove into New England territory. The
Bengals line up to go for it on fourth and
two at the New England thirty six. Three receivers out
to the right burrow in the gun. He catches his
shoulder high snap, throws a screen out to the right.
Yo see Bosh tackle it to thirty five? What not
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short of the first down, oh Man. After five drives,
the Bengals still had not scored, but that changed the
next time. They got the ball, first and goal from
the five Burrow in the pistol again, turns left, gives
it to.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Moss right up the medal touchdown down Baby Bengals sack
Moss up the gut head into the end zone for
his first Bengals touchdown.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
What I liked on.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
That I saw a blocker finishing a defender into the
end zone on his backside. The Bengals were starting to
catch you control of the minus scrimmage. A little bit
mosses up the football field and boy, I'll tell you
watching this well, take him to the ground, finish him,
put him on his backside.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Good stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
It was thirteen to seven going to the fourth quarter.
A Patriots field goal made it sixteen to seven, but
the Bengals scored for the second drive in a row.
Shotgun snapped to Burrow four man rush throws down the
minute of the field, Chase with a catch in Patriots'
territory and he gets tackled in the middle of the
field at the thirty six huff New England by Jabril
Peppers twenty eight yards to Jamar Chase. That led to
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an Evan McPherson field goal that made it sixteen to ten,
and the defense forced to punt with about three minutes
to go. That gave the Bengals a chance for a
game winning drive. Unfortunately, it was not to be. The
Bengals elected to punt on fourth and five from their
own fifteen with two and a half minutes to go
in three timeouts remaining, but the Patriots were able to
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run for two first downs to win the game six
sixteen ten. Holding a team to sixteen points is usually
enough to win but not when you lose the turnover
battle to Zip, and not when you allow the opponent
to rush for one hundred and seventy yards on thirty
nine carries to dominate time of possession. Logan Wilson led
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the Bengals with thirteen tackles and three quarterback hits. And
I talked to them after the game, what aspect of
the game bothers.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
You them rushing for one hundred and seventy rushing yards.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
We've talked about all off season how we're going to
clean that shit up, and it's we didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So obviously we still I worked too. We gotta tackle better.
That starts with tackling.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, I was going to say, it seemed like there
were several of those running plays where you guys were
in position to get them down and maybe got two
more yards, four more yards, six more yards, whatever it
might have been.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
Yeah, it's seen those issues that were from last year.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I mean, we still have time to clean up.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
Obviously, we had sixteen more games, but we got to
let this one sting quite a bit, just because we
got to clean that that stuff up up the bath.
We gotta be better on defense. We gotta get turnovers.
We had no turnovers today, and when you win the
turnover battle, I think plus plus two in this league
is like winning percent, just like seventy eight.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So odds are high. When you get turnovers, you forced
to fumble.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Unfortunately, at the bottom of the pile, they guess they
willed that Stevenson held on long enough.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, I got he did. I thought Joseph came
up with it. I wasn't really sure who came up
with it. Everyone was seeing Osai came up with it,
and so I was hoping that we were. They were
letting him play through. But unfortunately it didn't go away.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into trying
to get off to a better start this year. Is
it a little bewildering it? For whatever reason, Week one
just has not gone well.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (09:44):
I mean, I'm not I'm not gonna panic, that's for sure.
You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna look myself in the mirror. See,
but I gotta do better.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And then because the defense gotta sue we can do better.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
Especial teams offense is do the same, and we gotta
put our best foot forward because it's not like we're
going into an easy environment, going to Ahead and playing
in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Appreciate your time Offensively, Joe Burrow was twenty one for
twenty nine, that's seventy two percent, but he had to
settle for short passes with the Patriots taking away the
deep ball. Joe threw for one hundred and sixty four
yards and had a passer rating of eighty six. Zach
Moss was the team's leading rusher with forty four yards.
Jamar Chase was the leading receiver with six catches for
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sixty two. For more on the offense, here's tight end
Mike KASICKI. I thought you had your first touchdown in
a Bengals uniform. I guess after seeing the replay the
ball skidded on the ground.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
What did you think.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
Yeah, I don't know. I haven't seen a replay of
it yet, so unfortunately I can't really comment on it
too soon. But definitely thought I had it. You know,
Obviously I wouldn't have, you know, celebrated like I did. Yeah,
if I didn't, But unfortunately, I mean, that was the
call and it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Kind of a frustrating day for the offense. Arded slowly
from the fourth possession on you moved the ball well,
but for whatever reason, those first three drives just couldn't
get it going.
Speaker 9 (11:07):
Yeah, it is, like you said, unfortunate. You know, we
got a lot of good players, a lot of great coaches,
and I think the right people in this in this
locker room. So you know, we'll go back watch the tape, uh,
see what we can do better improve on, and come
back next week ready.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
To feel like t was badly missed today.
Speaker 9 (11:31):
Uh. Yeah, me and a guy of his caliber and talent, Uh,
that's always gonna you know, affect the offense. But you
know some other guys got to step up, including myself,
and you know, next week's a new week.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You were a Patriot last year, that game kind of
felt like a bella check performance to me. They didn't
turn it over, they led the clock, They did the
things that the Patriots had historically done well when they went.
Speaker 9 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we've lost the turnover battle and
they won the time in possession battle and all that
kind of stuff. So uh, you know, at the end
of the day, you know, we got some things that
we have to clean up, and we know that, and
you know we'll be ready to come back in tomorrow
and get to work.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Half of the league got a bounce back in week one.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
That's where we are unfortunately.
Speaker 9 (12:16):
Yeah, no doubt, it's a long season. It's only September eighth,
so plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Mike, appreciate you time.
Speaker 9 (12:21):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Now. Let's hear what Zach Taylor had to say as
he spent a couple of minutes with Lap after the game.
Speaker 10 (12:28):
We got to tackle better and we got to get
the ball of them losing the turn of battle two
to nothing, you know, and the chart Troy three to
nothing with a failed first fourth down. But that's not
unacceptable in week one. That's not gonna win you any games.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Last year ten Fumbals lost two of them all season
long Clubber only losing two fumbles none to lose two
and like just a little bit over half had to
be disappointed.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Yeah, two loose with the ball. I mean it's very
simple there. There's not a big mystery to what I happened,
and so we'll certainly address it and do a better
job moving forward.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
When when something happens like that, funnel like that in
a low red zone going into score, I mean, it
just picks the ear up of the balloom, doesn't it.
Speaker 10 (13:06):
Well, that's you talk about contrimary football. You know, that's
where another side's got to rise up and get a
big stop. Unfortunately, they got ten points off of our turnovers,
three of them. The defense did a great job off
of a sudden change on a pump fumble held them
to a field goal. Excellent job. We just we obviously
can't fumble in the red zone and then we got
to get stopped once they get the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Controlling the line of scrimmage. Winning in the trenches is
such a big deal. Did the Patriots move guys out
of gap control responsibilities? Did they not hit them right?
Was a combination? I know you haven't had time to
check it.
Speaker 10 (13:35):
Yeah, we'll I have to watch the tay see that.
Speaker 11 (13:37):
So what the.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Spot running the football as well? And want to get
that on tracks as well.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Well.
Speaker 10 (13:43):
We certainly got a ton of momentum there in the
second half. You know, it felt like we were moving
the ball well, finished with the ball in the end
zone on a great run, great drive. We'd run the
ball well. Unfortunately, the next possession we got the ball
eight minutes down two scores, and so that kind of
takes the ball out of the back's hands in that case,
and we knew we were probably on to get two
possessions left in the game down two posion, so we
had to throw the ball to try to maximize the clock.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Coach, what what did you What did you tell the
guys after the game? What was your What was the
biggest part of your message?
Speaker 10 (14:07):
That's what I told you to turn of a battle
and tackling. You know, you can't expect to one week
one when they get two more possessions than you do.
You take points off the board, you know, from one
on the two yard line and and you know, so
it's just in the way we tackle it. At the
end of the game, particularly, it wasn't good enough.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And I and finally, I know a big key for
you was, you know, getting off to that good start
and you did a lot of things to get that accomplishment,
and that just didn't work out. Has to be really frustrating.
Speaker 10 (14:32):
You just got to take a deep breath. This is
what we wanted. Uh, we have to be accountable for
why it happened. For row and one, we got sixteen
left to play, tremendous opportunity to go on the road
next week and flip all this momentum. And so again
that's that's how we got to look at it. We
got to handle ourselves internally, not worry about the external noise.
We know we'll be there and I know our guys
will do a great.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Job of that.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And final, final, how did you think Jamar Chase played?
Speaker 10 (14:54):
I thought he gave us enough to make some plays
and and we got to continue give him opportunities.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Appreciate you, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So the Bengals are zero and one, just like the
Ravens and Browns. The only team in the AFC North
to win its opener was Pittsburgh. Chris Boswell kicked six
field goals, including three from fifty plus as the Steelers
beat the Falcons eighteen ten. Up next for the Bengals
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their radio guys recap lap. One of the biggest question
marks about this team going into the season was would
they be able to stop the run better than they
did a year ago? And unfortunately, in Week one the
answer is now. One hundred and seventy rushing yards for
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the Patriots. I haven't seen how many of those were
yards after contact, but I'm guessing it was a bunch
for Amandre Stevenson.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
No doubt, Dan, he had one hundred and twenty of
them on twenty five carries. He had ten carries of
five yards of more. So it wasn't he wasn't just
like you know, Nicol and Diamondum. He hit one for
fourteen yards, it hits one for sixteen, the next carry
for seventeen two carries later, nineteen yard run. I mean
he had multiple carries of nine yards or more. He
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had another twelve yard run. I mean he was consistently
gashing the Cincinnati Bengals front seven. And I asked Zach
after the game that could he tell if it was,
you know, not mental mistake about filling the wrong gap
or getting moved out of the gap, because we talked
about a couple of times during the during the game,
I thought they were getting moved out of the gap
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more so than the mental era. But I don't know
what their gap control responsibilities are, so Zach SAIDY have
to look at the tape a little a little closer
to find out. But whatever it was, it certainly wasn't enough.
It wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Against the team with a questionable offensive line. Left guard out,
left tackle not thought to be very good. Right guard
rookie dominated in the run game, only surrendered one sack.
That's a very disappointing performance for Cincinnati against that line.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Absolutely because they never got them to where they had
to pass protect. And when they did, I mean four times,
Jacoby Brissett tucked it and ran the football for thirty
four yards. I mean, he was his legs were a factor.
We talked about him. I mean, he's a grown man.
The guy sixty four and thirty five pounds, and he's
got a very quick first step. When he decides to
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step up in the pocket, he's sudden, and he's strong,
and he breaks through arm tackles. You know, when you're
trying to sack him. You're not going to sack him
by grabbing him with one hand and sling him to
the ground, and it's just not going to happen. I
thought he was a force. I thought he ran through contact.
I thought, you know, he was a huge factor with
his throwing arm, made enough plays with the throwing arm
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and then his feet. He really hurt the Bengals because
I'd say probably four of those carries were on Three
of the four carries were probably on third down where
he moved the chains and kept drives alive.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
This was the first time in twenty five years that
Bill Belichick was not the Patriots head coach. If you
watched this game with no video of who was on
the sideline, you would have said it was a Belichick win.
Win the turnover battle to nothing, control the clock, no
silly penalties. I mean, Gerrod Mayo coached for the guy,
played for the guy, and today his team won like
he was still the coach.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
At halftime, he came off the field and told the
TV crew were winning in the trenches. Well, you know,
as a former lineman, that's all I was saying the
whole game. I mean, it was so evident, so obvious.
You didn't have to be a football einstein. I mean,
this guy is obviously a brilliant football coach. But yeah,
I mean everything that had to be done, the boxes
that needed to be checked to beat a team like
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the Bengals, they did. And the thing that's unbelievable to
me is brought up during the game. They fumbled it
ten times all of last year and lost two two
fumbels the whole season. Best in club history. They have
two fumbels that they lose in this football game a
little over two quarters. So you know, it's it's like
(19:16):
the self destruction, you know, no ball security, shooting yourself
in the foot, whatever you want to call it. It cropped,
its its reared its ugly head, and you know, going
into score Tanner Hudson just tucked that ball away. You know,
don't don't hold it out there and give them an
opportunity in the.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Worst case scenario, get tackled at the one exactly.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I mean, it's like, you know, make sure that you
secure the pig man. I mean, don't don't hold it
out there. You know, in the in the low red zone,
they're coming, there's not that much ground to cover. They're
there if you hold it out there, man, it's like
a big old bulls eye on it, and they're going
for it. And they did and they got it out,
you know, and then I mean everybody's guilty. Special teams,
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you know, crucial fum will give them a short field.
They scored ten points off the two fumbles. So you know,
in a game that the Bengals lose by six, the
two turnovers, they didn't turn it over. So yeah, I
mean they played Bill Belichick New York Giant, New England
Patriot football good defense. I mean, they shut down the
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running game the Bengals. The Bengals running game was about
one hundred yards less. It was just over seventy yards
to one hundred and seventy for the New England Patriots.
So it was a football feel differential there. And of
course they didn't run an anywhere near as many times.
I mean, shoot, I guess they probably had more than
twenty five carries that Stevenson had. But I mean it
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was I thought in the second half it got better
and I thought they played better in the second half.
That first half was I mean, that wasn't Bengals football.
I was like, what am I looking at? I just
didn't recognize what was going on out there.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I'm really mystified by the first three drives. I mean,
you come out, Joe Burrow's gone through camp. Yeah, you're
missing t Higgins. But one, two, three point one, two,
three point one, two three point on your first three
drives of the season.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Stunning, totally, you know, and you're you're looking at a
Patriots defense that's finished in the top ten to four
out of the last five years. They were number seven
last year, and they were returning nine to eleven stars.
But the two stars they lost were significant, but particularly
one a jew Done is a rusher. But man, I
mean they had a lot of guys returning that gave
(21:26):
up only ninety three yards a game on the ground
last year, which was fourth in the league but third
best in Patriot history. Three point three yards of carry
was the lowest that any team has had since the
merger in nineteen seventy. So this team knows how to
stop the run, and they had nine guys returning that
were in the same spots knowing how to stop the run,
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and the Bengals really struggled to get their running game going.
I thought, again, you know, almost any level of football.
If it's that imbalanced in the trenches, you're gonna have
trouble winning the football game.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Let's talk about it. Mr Chase targeted six times, six catches,
sixty two yards. I mean, it wasn't the greatest game
he's ever played, but that's pretty impressive considering his lack
of training camp snaps.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
No doubt. And the last catch he had was twenty
eight yards, you know, and it looked, you know, in
the middle of the football field. He found a found
an alley, found a lane in there, and he had
a couple of catches double digit yards. You know, I
think he started to climb into a rhythm a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It's when you're going against a defense that good, that
has that good players in the secondary as well, those
guys stopping the run. That's just a very well put
together defense by players that totally understand what they're trying
to do inside out in terms of disguise and you know, confusion, chaos,
(22:48):
all the things that they try to do. It's it
is they're just orchestrated so well. It's like watching you know,
a dance performance, you know, the way everybody just is
in total steps, total sync with each other when when
they're playing that way, it's a it's a beautiful thing
to watch. Unless you're trying to operate against it, it's
not so fun to watch. But man, that was That
(23:12):
was definitely a challenge for him, without any real snaps
anywhere training camp, to go out against that high level,
a caliber of football player that has is in another
level of football conditioning than you are. It's challenging. But
this guy's unique. He's a freakazoid man. He really is.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
No complaints about Ryan Rico. In his Bengals debut as punter,
he set a franchise record with an eighty yarder that
traveled seventy yards in the air before going into the
end zone. Averaged more than sixty yards per punt. Very
very impressive work by the young man from BYU.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I asked him if he had one any longer eighty
three he had at BYU, and uh, that's rarefied air,
you know, I mean, that's I'm not saying everybody can
punt the ball eighty three yards of Byu or anywhere,
but for him to an eighty yard here and it
was within a whisker of going out at the foot line,
it could have been an eighty yard net. I mean
it's a sixty yard net, but man, it could have
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been an eighty yard net. You talk about flipping the field, man,
you know, and Uh talked to him in the post game.
He's very humble about it, you know. He said it
would have been a lot better to have that record
in a victory, obviously, but I said, you know the
way you flip the field, though, Man, it's gonna be
a weapon that, you know, in football games during the
course of the season, the Bengals gonna lean on you. You've
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proven you can do it, and that's gonna be that's
gonna be tough to match every single week.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Though.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
But man, and I kidded with him, I said, you
know those Nikes, they got a dynamite cap in that toe,
and you know what did Nike do for you to
get you to explode that ball off your off your toe,
off your foot like that? And he goes, now here's
a standard Nike order, you know, but it's he is. Uh.
He's a big kid. I mean solid six ' four ish,
i'd say two hundred and thirty five pounds. I mean
(24:56):
he looks like a like a linebacker or you know,
something of that tight end, something of that ilk and
he has got some strength in that body. Man.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So the Bengals open with a loss against the team
most of us thought they would beat. Now they've got
to try to beat a team in Week two that
not many people think they're going to win, at least
down the road in Arrowhead against Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, Kansas City has a dogfight against the Baltimore Ravens.
I mean could have been either team's football game. Kansas
City comes out on top. That's good. You know, Baltimore
has a loss in the AFC unfortunately, now so of
the Bengals. So, I mean, you're gonna go to Kansas
City and try to give them, you know, an AFC loss.
And Joe Burrow has beaten Mahomes three times. He's three
(25:41):
and one. He's the only guy I think with a
winning record against Mahomes. Hopefully he can build on that.
It's going to be going to be a challenge. I
mean that place, I mean, Dan, we've been there, but man,
the crowd is so crazy.
Speaker 8 (25:57):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The Bengals certainly know what to expect. This is the
fourth straight year they've played on the road at Kansas City.
All right. So far, this hasn't been the most enjoyable podcast,
but I promise we are ending with a segment that
you will thoroughly enjoy. Season fifty seven is about to
begin for the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's always a treat
(26:19):
to visit with team president Mike Brown. Mike, we typically
go down memory lane in these visits, and I thought
it might be fun to reminisce about some of the
more amusing moments in franchise history. Let's start in nineteen
eighty eight when your then eighty year old father, I
kind of Hall of Fame coach Paul Brown, did the
(26:41):
Icky shuffle in public. Were you as surprised as everybody else?
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Not?
Speaker 11 (26:48):
Really, I knew how supple he was. He was an
extremely well coordinated man, and that stayed with him until
very close to the end. He was athletic as a youngster.
He could pull ball, played baseball, played center field, he
(27:09):
played football, he played basketball. That part of it never
left him. As a kid. I would get involved with
him out in the backyard shooting baskets, and I thought,
you know, we got this old guy here. He won't
be able to do much in the heck, he could
(27:30):
shoot far better than any of us could. He was
very accurate, and it's hard to lay off and then
go out and put it through, but he could do that.
Was more embarrassed by.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
It than.
Speaker 11 (27:49):
I know I should have been. I didn't look at
it like others did. I said, oh my god, he's
not doing that.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
He did you ever attempt the icky shuffle yourself?
Speaker 11 (28:01):
Not even to this moment were there any plans to
do shit, it's.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Not too late.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
One year later, in December of nineteen eighty nine, after
fans threw snowballs on the field at Riverfront Stadium, Sam
Whitch took the microphone into his hands and said, you
don't live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati. When he
grabbed that microphone, did you instantly think.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
Oh, oh, Sam was Sam and he had these moments
that would come upon him when he would act in
unexpected ways. I'll put it, and that was one of them.
I don't think it was pre thought or pre planned.
(28:48):
I think it just blurted out and it was absolutely
perfect because our audience responded to that. They thought it
was funny, they thought it was appropriate, and they stopped
throwing snowballs. I've seen way back during that period when
(29:11):
a league rule required coaches to ask for good behavior
from the stands or for the stands to quiet down
or whatever. And I've seen people like Chuck no and
top coaches, historically famous coaches, they just pretended because they
(29:35):
knew they couldn't do anything about it. They try controlling
a group of fans when they're up in the bit.
It isn't something that's very easy. But Sam, to his credit,
managed it, and I give him great credit.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
For the moment.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Here's another Samwich moment, the time he ran up the
score on a coach he didn't like, Jerry Glanville. Sam
successfully tried non side kick up forty five nothing. He
kicked the field goal in the final thirty seconds up
fifty eight to seven. Needless to say, there was no
postgame handshake. Were you amused or horrified?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (30:13):
I thought it was probably not the thing to do.
But that was also Sam being Sam. He could have
those moments again. This one I would not have been
so approving.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
But.
Speaker 11 (30:31):
It didn't mean anything.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
It was maybe just.
Speaker 11 (30:39):
Being let's say, unpolite.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Any list of amusing moments in Bengals history has to
include something about Chad Johnson I've got a couple of things. First,
the two thousand and nine preseason game, after kickers Shane
Graham strained his groin, Chad drilled a game winning extra point.
Did you have any idea he could kick well?
Speaker 11 (31:05):
He always said he was a great soccer player, and
that was a preseason game, if I remember right up
in Boston. He went out and kicked the extra point through.
I think he did a kickoff which went fairly well,
and he did it with never having practiced doing this
(31:29):
sort of thing. Belichick noticed it, and in my mind
the years later he picked up Chad. I thought, maybe
I'm wrong on this. That Chad's performance that day des
grabbed his attention and made the Chad register in his mind.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
In two thousand and four, Chad sent bottles of pepto
bismol to the Browns defense backs before a game, implying
that they would be sick to their stomachs after facing him.
Harmless fun or bulletin board material.
Speaker 11 (32:09):
I'd put that in the rather stupid department. If you're
going to go toe to toe with somebody, you don't
need to pretend it's professional wrestling. Don't rev them up.
That was what I was taught, and when he did
things like that, I probably wished he had not.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
For many fans, the greatest win in franchise history was
the Freezer bowld in nineteen eighty one AFC Championship game.
What was your reaction when my broadcast partner Dave Lapham
convinced his fellow offensive lineman to go sleeveless despite the
minus fifty nine Winshill.
Speaker 11 (32:52):
Well, you're bringing up all these stupid actions, that question,
and that was cold. That was so cold that it
didn't feel cold. It felt like burning sensation almost. And
I know the Army books say that you can withstand
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that kind of cold if you're appropriately dressed. Well, being
short sleeved as not being appropriately dressed. Our guys thought
it sent a message. Maybe it did. I think that
sent the message was when that door went up and
chargers came out on the field. It was cold. They
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weren't used to that. They right there and then I
think put their tails between their legs. They didn't want
any part of that weather. Our guys had practiced in
it forrested make him practice in that, and he wouldn't
let them think that it was anything out of the way.
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They were tough and coming from the West Coast when
you hadn't encountered any frigid weather, that would have been
a hard thing to.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Claim, didn't the Charger's owner generously offer to move the
game to San Diego.
Speaker 11 (34:14):
Yeah. He came up to me and said, I have
a good idea. He wanted to move the game out
to San Diego, and I said, I don't think so.
Our fans would be disappointed.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They said, all right, I know. This next one probably
was not amusing at the time, but Tim Crumrai broke
his leg in four places in Super Bowl twenty three
and refused to go to the hospital, insisting on watching
the game in the locker room for as long as
he was allowed. This was before cell phones. Were you
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aware that that was going on?
Speaker 11 (34:50):
I don't think so. It might have been aware later on,
but not immediately, as I recall, And Timmy is a
tough nut, about as rough and tough as they come.
If anyone could have he would have played with that.
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But it was obviously an impossibility. It was a serious injury.
The turf was bad. We went down there and that
was a grass field, but it was on a sand
base and overnight the ground's crew made a mistake. They
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left the suction on, so all the water was drained
out of the field and it took enough water to
keep the sod attached to the sand. You dig up
these huge divots like bathroom rugs and timmy, I always
(35:57):
thought paid the price for them. That was the thought
that was in my mind. I didn't know about some
of the other aspects until later.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Before drafting Anthony Munio's number three overall in nineteen eighty,
you sent Forrest greg to Los Angeles to work him out,
and in a pass rushing drill, Anthony slammed him so
hard that he knocked Forrest to his backside. Was that
the final confirmation you needed to know that Anthony Munoz
was healthy and your guy.
Speaker 11 (36:29):
That was for Forrest the final cont For some of
the rest of us, it probably came along at different points.
I remember at the Rose Bowl game, I was with
my dad and brother and we were sitting watching it
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on TV. Anthony played and he just dominated the Ohio
State guy in front of it. That's when I became convinced.
But the thing with Anthony was that not everyone thought
he was going to heal up and be able to
handle our doctor George Balou said he would, and George
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was right, and of course Anthony had a Hall of
Fame career.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Forrest Gregg wanted players to wear suits on road trips,
so Harvard educated punter Pat mcinally showed up in a
limo wearing a tuxedo complete with top hat and cane.
Do you remember seeing that?
Speaker 11 (37:35):
I fortunately do not, and I wouldn't have cared if
I had. Pat was a live wiren he meant to
be funny and have fun. Forrest would have laughed. I think,
if I remember right, he did. He wouldn't have taken
exception to it at all. It was just any funny
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moment for the guys.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
All right.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Final one, This one is more touching than amusing. You
gave Adam Jones a chance to revive his career.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
He had eight.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Fine seasons with Cincinnati, and he was so appreciative of
your support that he commissioned an artist to do a
sketch of you and your father watching practice together. What
was your reaction when you receive that gift.
Speaker 11 (38:28):
I like Adam Jones. I know he had these incidents
off and on, but Adam Jones is quite bright. He's smart,
he's quick minded. He didn't come up the easy way,
and some of the discipline.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
That you lose that you learn with the.
Speaker 11 (38:52):
Normal average upbringing. He didn't come across the so there
be times when he would flare out instantly and suffer
the consequences. But if you knew him as a person,
you would admire him because he was fun to talk to,
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quick a mind, and I'll never forget how he was
when his little daughter was a premie and it was
predicted that the odds were against her. We were down
at training camp in Georgetown. After practice. He'd get in
his car every night and drive up the Cincinnati to
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tap on the window and look at her in the
nursery at the hospital. And the little girl today is
grown and is a wonderful young lady. So when I
think of Adam Jones, I think of things like that,
not some of these other problems that have I've cropped up.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Mike, I always enjoy our visits.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Thank you so much for your time and best of
luck this year.
Speaker 11 (40:06):
Thanks very much.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
That's going to do it for this episode of The
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