March 14, 2025 • 24 mins
Free agency begins on this episode of Best Podcast Available! Myles Garrett is back, and in this exclusive interview, Andrew Siciliano talks to him about his contract extension, and how he feels looking ahead to the 2025 Season!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you are scoring at home, and I sure hope
that you are. It's the off season.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are six weeks away from night number one of
the NFL's annual selection meeting, in which the Browns will
make at number two the best player available their selection.
This is the best podcast available, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
My name is Andrew Siciliano.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I am in the home office at the Cross Country
Mortgage Campus. Meantime, on the other side of your screen
or dial if you're listening, or it on the other headphone.
Jason Gibbs, how the heck are you?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm good, buddy, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
We're approaching Saint Patti's Day. The NCAA Tournament Pro Days
are underway. Free agency in the heart of six weeks
till the draft. Come on, let's go. This is the
best time of year.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Sorry about bowling green.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I expected, Yeah, managed expectations, meta expectations.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
That's exactly how we go.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Hey, we have it a George, It doesn't matter, yes,
heady George, come on.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Fun fact, actually not that fun.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I called Eddie George's very first game as head coach
at Tennessee State. It was actually in Canton at at
Tom Benson Hall of Fame Stadium.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Really, yes, network.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
He had he had a very good run. There got
a little boost from IRV and uh, you know when
Urban Meyer tells the BG powers the beat, give this
guy a look. Now he's the head coach of Bowling Green.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I couldn't be happier. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
If you want to laugh and show you the circuitous
path that took him to Bowling Green. I believe the
other coach that day, I gotta look it up. We're
already off on a tangent. The other coach that day
was Hugh Jackson.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Gay.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Hebby nods and says, let's get to the content, all right, So.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
We're gonna do that. Obviously, free agency opened this week.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
We waited a little bit until later in the week
to do this pod because we wanted to see all
the things.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That the Browns were going to do.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And as you know by now, there wasn't a massive headline.
But that's a reality of the team's offseason situation. Your
massive headline was last Sunday when Miles Garrett got his
deal done, a deal that I think kind of stunned everyone.
Not that eventually the two sides made peace. I think
we're all happy with that, but how it happened, when
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it happened, and the size of the number with which
it happened. It was forty million dollars a year. We
could break that down a little bit later. Let's go
through some of the other moves. There was not a
massive headline. Hey, here's thirty five million dollars on DK metcalf. No,
it was Miles that was the headline. The other moves
were slightly more affordable, and I think, actually, give you
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some of these are really good. Had a chance to
speak to Joe tryon Shriyanka yesterday. Now he didn't get
his fit here picked up. He was a first round pick,
thirty second overall, one of the COVID kids coming out
early out of the University of Washington. His sack numbers
were never huge there, but they were playing him in
a three four. A lot of people think, and I'm
one of them, that you put him at a Jim
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Schwartz defense, You line him up in the wide din,
you put him opposite.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Miles, and you let him go eat that.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
At four and a half million, this is a value
signing with some significant upside.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, maybe again, you get drafted maybe you just need
a change of scenery, Maybe you need a different system.
Jim Schwartz, the system seems to fit him very well.
He kept saying it yesterday. I can't wait to just
be unleashed and go eat. Let me go eat, let
me go feast, let me go after the quarterback. You
saw the interaction from Miles on the Browns digital platforms.
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The guy's just excited to get here, work out, start
getting ready, and turn him loose.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Here come fall.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I think a great value signing for the Cleveland Browns
and a guy that I think will be a good
rotation fit with on that defensive line linebacker it is
he is listed as defensive end, but I believe he
was drafted as a linebacker.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Am I correct? On You are correct? He's a three
to four backer. That was kind of the thing.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Todd Bowles tried to scheme Mo up a lot and
try to find ways for him to get after the quarterback,
but he was dropping a lot as well in that
three to four That isn't necessarily his forte. Again, if
they can unlock the pass rush, he has fifteen career
of sacks in four seasons. If they can unlock that,
this is a value deal. And I know often I
often equate things to the Rams. I see a Leonard
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Floyd situation here. He was a first round pick, grant
that he was a top ten pick. The Bears picked
up his fifth year option, then decided to get rid
of him before year five. He had eighteen career sacks
at that point. They bring him into LA. You put
him opposite Aaron Donald, and here we're putting him opposite,
maybe not opposite, but more more opposite than Aaron Donald.
Have played inside Miles Garrett, and it's good to be
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that other guy. And I think Joe Tryon Tryanka could
benefit from that elite Collins with Dalvin Tomlinson gone, and
I think both of us want to say thank you.
All Browns fans want to say thank you to Dalvin Tomlinson.
Put it a couple of really good years, great great
locker room guy, a hard worker and a good personality.
Dalvin Tomlinson cab casualty. He is now in Arizona. And
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the Browns bring in the former forty nine er, well
traveled Molike Collins, who is a defensive tackle, not as
big as Dalvin.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
He is a get up the field and get after
the quarterback guy.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Very much, a guy like Tryon Tryanka that in Jim
Schwartz's defense is going to get to the quarterback, and.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I think that that's a priority.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You can see it in free agency with the guys
that this organization is bringing in. They want to be
more aggressive. They want to be in the backfield. They
want to be making plays with that front seven that
they've got the back end lockdown with it with three
great corners to start off with, and then Grant delp
It in the safety spot. They know they have playmakers
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in the back, but you have to be able to
force the quarterback to make mistakes or force turnovers and
force sex. And this is another one. I really like
this one, and I love Dalvin Tomlinson. I'm sorry to
see him go, Sam, the good news is, don't feel
too sorry for him. The man got a nice little
payday in Arizona and is able to continue his career
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a little sonnier, maybe even.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
A little warmer year round.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Malik Collins, though, I just think I think it's a
good pick up. Again, it's a veteran comes from a
winning culture and he can bring that to the table
as well. And his ability to get upfield has been
well documented I think from Brian Baldinger, your friend and mine,
and a few others who are good under the radar.
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Signing for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Absolutely, we're getting to the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I promise, I promise We're not avoiding the tations. Cornelius
Lucas was signed as well, most recently with the Commanders.
He replaces James Hudson who went to the Giants. He's
basically your swing tackle right if you need him to start,
and he has started both left and right, he can
be that guy. He is your swing tackle, your third
or fourth tackle. He is the guy that you plug
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in in case of emergency. James Hudson was that guy,
though he got plenty of starts over the years with
the multiple injuries on either side of the line.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
He is older than Hudson.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Cornelius Lucas, who is in the building I know later
this week, actually late this week, is in the building
on Thursday, is also a signee and.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Then we get We had him on Cleveland Browns Daily yesterday.
He was great.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Boo Bookend on the basketball team six eight three twenty seven.
He's he has worked hard and been doubted ever since
he came into the league.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He has a chip on his shoulder. I loved him.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
We thought he was really really good on the air
with us. He's got the right mindset, a good veteran
presence in that offensive line room.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And he brought the whole family in there. Great to
see the little ones running around the building as well.
It is the off season. Cornelius Lucas is your new
swing tackle. Devin Bush resigned.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
There's an example you want to go to, Joe Tryon Tryanka.
There's an example of a former first round pick at
linebacker given another shot. For Bush, it was his third shot,
had that one year in Seattle. He played well last year,
especially against the run. A lot of my friends blowing
up my phone going who's playing linebacker? Devin Bush is
coming back. It's a good move. It's an affordable move
as well. And then we have the quarterbacks. Kenny Pickett
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yesterday in the building as well. Nathan sat down with him.
He did the podium for the media. Kenny Pickett is
coming over from Philadelphia speaking a former first round picks
in exchange for DTR and a five first off love DTR.
I'm going to them and this goes back to his
days at UCLA. Obviously, I am in the home office.
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I got to see him there. I got to interview
him an NFL network long before the Browns drafted him.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I love the kid. I think he can play in
this league.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And obviously with the chances he was given here did
not happen. Preseason, yes, regular season no.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I wish him the best.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm really happy he gets a fresh start, and I'm
happy he's in a good room with Jalen Hurts and
hopefully the future continues to be bright and he gets
another shot and he kills it because I know that
he will. And Kenny Pickett and again, I know my
phone was blown up give you. I know yours was
as well from Browns fans who A hate the Steelers
and b had their eyes set on this huge, huge
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splash maybe at quarterback there.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
What is going on here? I'll tell you what's going
on here.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
For two point six million dollars, a guy that has
started twenty five games was a first round pick. By
the way, the Steelers won fifteen of those twenty five.
Actually the Eagles, you know, throw them in as well.
Fifteen of those twenty five games Is he year two?
Is he year three? He does get a chance, he
said Thursday, to compete for number one for what you
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gave up. When you see how many teams need multiple
starting quarterbacks. We've seen this movie before. This is a
solid piccup truly, like, look at the big picture here
and don't just go I can't believe we traded for
that Steelers quarterback that dtr beat.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It's March fourteenth. It is saitting this on Friday, March fourteenth.
The quarterback room is not even close to being done
being formed.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Can he Pickett as a piece of that?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
You know, it's giving him another chance. It's another guy
that again when maybe just given a change, change of scenery,
what he's learned from being in Philadelphia and being under
their tutelage. I'm not saying that Pittsburgh gave him bad tutelage,
but I don't know what he had in Pittsburgh from
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an offensive standpoint. Get another chance here and get him
some reps, coach him up, see what he can do.
He's going to be one of a couple different pieces
in that quarterback room. They're not done, meaning the Cleveland Browns.
So everybody just take a deep breath. Let's see how
this all plays out. He has talent. Why not see
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what he can do? I mean, especially if you're remaking
this quarterback room, which seems to be the case.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Kenny Pickett has twenty five career starts. As mentioned, he
has six fourth quarter comebacks and seven game winning drives
in his twenty five career starts, so in the fourth
quarter when the money was on the table, including as
a rookie. Four of those came his rookie year, including
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at one point weeks fifteen and sixteen down the stretch
when that team was fighting for the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Can he Pickett performed?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I mean, gibby you as the Steeler fan wanted Matt
Cannada out of there, I mean how much I'm kidding
you get my point? He gets another start, he gets
a fresh start. It's going to be in a different room.
Whether it's Russell Wilson or quarterback to be named later
or rookie quarterback. He gets a chance to compete. And
instead of saying, hey, we desperately need a quarterback at
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the trade deadline, who can we trade for?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You have a guy who best case, look.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Maybe he's starting. He wants I'm not going to tell
him he can't. He says he was told he has
the chance to compete. That's all anybody wants. But if
he's door two or door three, it's not a bad situation.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean, those are my.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Two cents, because I know everybody wants the big splash
headline at quarterback right now, that's not going to happen.
Even though Russell Wilson was in the building on Thursday,
did you guys get out?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I didn't see him at all. They kept him away
from us. Okay, it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
He got in about eight thirty. I guess left around
two thirty.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
That wasn't your shaky cells video outside with the suv
pulling away.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It was not.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I did say hello to the media contingent that was
camped out literally for seven hours out front. I thought
about ordering them pizzas.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You could have done that. I mean, they're all good people.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I like them in all seriousness. If it is Russ
and then maybe we have to cut this out. But no,
let's keep it. If it is Russ, people are gonna
like him. He's a likable guy.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
He's won a super Bowl. He there, he's a winner.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
He's a winner and a leader, okay, and he's tough
as all get out. We're gonna remember the Thursday night
game as the snow Globe game a year ago, and
it was amazing on so many levels. Okay, but go
back and watch the football and take your eyes off
the snow Miles and the Browns front seven beat the
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living snot out of Russell Wilson, and he kept getting up.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Look at the Hail Mary at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Everybody wants to focus on George Pickens and Greg Newsom
in the back of the end zone. Focus on the
hit that Russell Wilson took. He gave his guys time.
He ran around a little bit to make sure his
guys got to the end zone. George Pickens, remember I
gave him so much time, was already the dog pad
at that.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Point, actually the other end of the other end of
the stadium. To get my point right.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
He was running through the end zone picking a fight.
But he did that knowing he was going to get killed.
He was destroyed and he got up. So he is
a tough you know what, and you know what, if
it's Russell Wilson dog pound, let's bark.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
We are literally three days into the formal beginning of
the NFL new year.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Let's bark. We are six.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Weeks from the draft, in six months from the season, right,
there's your headline. Okay, so this is the best podcast available.
I ran through. We ran through the list of free agents.
The most notable name on that list wasn't a free agent,
but he has a fantastic new contract.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Miles Garrett, did uh did you bring me a cupcake?
How were those?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Uh? Well, you know, I'm not a squeet sweets guy myself,
but I saved the one for you.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Okay, well, thank you. Congratulations man. Do you feel better
that this is all over?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah? I mean it's stop, you know, dominating them some
of some of the aspects of my life. You know,
I try to try to keep a pretty low key profile.
So go back to doing that, staying out of the
the news cycle, to working out, recovering and get ready
to have the best season that I've had in my career.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Let's let's talk about that, because I know what it
was like for the fans, and you were asked about
that a lot on the podium, and I know it
was like for people in the building.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
What has Miles the last month been like for.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
You, Uh, it's been long. No just you know, trying
to turn on Sports Center, you know, seeing the news,
trying to watch some basketball, and you know, I'm going
getting out of the news cycle and seeing my name
no pup with different teams and and just being no
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used and uh toss around so much. I prefer to
be out of that kind of stuff. I prefer to
just be another team, and I prefer to work in silence.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
February third, And I know you probably have talked about
it over the weekend, but that Monday of the Super
Bowl when you decided to hit send, like you decided,
all right, we're doing this, We're putting this out into
the ether, into the world.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Did you think you'd be sitting here again.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I knew it was a possibility that'd be sitting sitting here.
I mean ab had been uh steadfast and his opinion
that uh, you know, we're not trading away, uh Miles
Garrett and you I trust his his patience and his
fortitude and uh that kind of that kind of uh
you know, loyalty to to me doesn't doesn't go unnoticed.
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I appreciate him, you know, standing by me, and uh,
you know having patience for the situation, you know, just
talking me through things and don't get it, getting us
both on the right page and and uh no, seeing
how this this future that that we both want can
can be here sooner than than we than I would expect.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And you said that it opened up the discourse. There
was constant communication like what did that look like? Did
is ab Like the guy that texts you at three
in the morning that says, hey, what if we did this?
Like what's that back and forth?
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Uh, I wouldn't say he's a three in the morning guy.
You know he has a little bit more respectful my time,
but uh you know that that early morning, you know,
mid afternoon, no text of just walking me through things,
his ideas, you know, his opinion on things, and knowing
that you know, nothing that I did was out of
spite and just not handling the thing with emotion, just
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being very very respectful, but giving me a abressive the
situation on Drein and just talking through it with him
and Nicole, and just like I said, just continue to
get us both on the same page, all right.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
The cynic would say, the money change your mind, I
get it. I mean that's human nature here but listening
to you in the podium, they're also I know, you
can't play the team's cards here.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
It sounds like ab was able to change your mind
as well. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah? I mean for the point after the season where
I was, you know, I was beat up and I
was tired, I was, I was frustrated from you know,
the outcome of that season, it was it was a
pointing no from from all aspects now to the to
the point now he continued to be no consistent and
persistent you know, with his with his messaging on and
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know as things have developed, like I said, no, we've
we've seen more and more changes, you know, throughout the league,
and no seeing more from this this young draft class,
and uh, you know, how can they can come in
and make an immediate impact and really turn this thing around?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Okay, I'm not trying to get too deep here. It's
a Friday of Saint Patrick's Eate weekend. But we've talked
before about philosophy. Obviously, books on your nightstand for those
who don't know, you got a lot of philosophy books
over there. Is there a philosophic approach that you took
to this? Is there some stoicism with rationality and trying
to accept things as they are. Did did you go
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down that road as well in the last month?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Uh? Stoicism was last year, you know, that was that
was meditations, That was Marcus Aurelius, that was That was
all last year. And now we're now we're you know,
we're focusing on how to be the best versions of ourselves,
how we uplift others, not just you know, developing the
man on the inside, but how how we can elevate
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everyone around us.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And I spoke to Russell on Thursday. Did you really
tell him that you wouldn't sack them three or four times?
That's why you should be here?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Uh, that's what I told Setanski. I told him good
to get that as a as a as a point,
and I wouldn't want to, uh you know, have that
be our last conversation, but that that would be pretty
memorable for him.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I mean, you already have Kenny Pickett there right, Yeah,
he's not getting sacked three or four times a.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Year either, true, but uh, you know, if he makes
a run decision, it could be in.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
All serious is do you know who the quarterback is
going to be? I mean, do you have an idea.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
After conversations, I do have an idea.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Okay, do you like the idea?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I like it enough to to be here smiling in
front of you, because I think we have a good
chance of that happening and making the most out of it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Can you tell us who it is?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Miles? You know I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I do know that.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But I also remember that Ab was sitting there and
mobiles saying that he's not a patient guy. He wants
the draft to be tomorrow. We're six weeks from the draft.
We are six months from the first game. I want
to circle back to the fans here, for the fans
who are impatient and like my old man being one
of them, on one of them, like, what would you
tell them?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Trust in the process. No, there, No, there's been some
some ups and downs. You No, the discipline of last
year will be replaced by the elation and joy of
next year because you no, continue to put this plan
in place and we have a lot of things to
build upon. But that's that is also the great part
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about it. No, we have a head of a foundation. Now,
we just got to get to work.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I think the first time I saw a smile on
the podium and we're taping this after you wrapped up
talking to everyone else. Was when you were asked about
I think the relief of being able to stay home home,
being Northeast Ohio.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Is there a sense of.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Relief that there is normalcy back in your life here?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Absolutely. I wouldn't want to, you know, pick up and
move my life, you know. I think all that goes
unnoticed about a person's transition to another team, you know,
having to uh no move their their families, their belongings,
no there they are, the homes to to somewhere else,
and you know, being able to you know, keep all
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those things status called being able to stay here with this,
this community, this family and uh nungteens to uh to
to work with this this goal that we passed this
day one. No, that's that's what I want it. So
I'm glad we can all come together and make this happen.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
All right, last thing, I'll get you out of here.
Who are the Calves getting in the finals?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I think the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Honestly really not not Lebron and.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I just don't know if they have what it takes
this year without a big and uh I think the
the thunder is just still a little bit too green,
and I think the Nuggets have that the championship DNA
to get there. But I think the Calves are the
most complete team in the NBA right now. So it's
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a it's our it's our tip to lose, honestly, all.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Right, I I lied one more thing. Your reaction when
the Luca trade went down.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
It was the same reactions to everyone else. It was
complete shock. And it's not like my little minority state
got me a little bit of a tip before anyone else.
I was completely completely lost, just like everyone else. That
was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I'm personally rooting for Calves Lakers, but you know whatever,
I'll take Calves against anyone. I'll take Browns against anyone
next year as well in Santa Clara, So let's build
towards that. Miles Garrett, congratulations again. It's great to have
you back in the building. Hope you're climbing a mountain.
They're doing something fun of the off season. Time to
get back to work, man. I appreciate you, yes, sir,
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thank you
If you are scoring at home, and I sure hope
that you are. It's the off season.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are six weeks away from night number one of
the NFL's annual selection meeting, in which the Browns will
make at number two the best player available their selection.
This is the best podcast available, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
My name is Andrew Siciliano.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I am in the home office at the Cross Country
Mortgage Campus. Meantime, on the other side of your screen
or dial if you're listening, or it on the other headphone.
Jason Gibbs, how the heck are you?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm good, buddy, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
We're approaching Saint Patti's Day. The NCAA Tournament Pro Days
are underway. Free agency in the heart of six weeks
till the draft. Come on, let's go. This is the
best time of year.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Sorry about bowling green.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I expected, Yeah, managed expectations, meta expectations.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
That's exactly how we go.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Hey, we have it a George, It doesn't matter, yes,
heady George, come on.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Fun fact, actually not that fun.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I called Eddie George's very first game as head coach
at Tennessee State. It was actually in Canton at at
Tom Benson Hall of Fame Stadium.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Really, yes, network.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
He had he had a very good run. There got
a little boost from IRV and uh, you know when
Urban Meyer tells the BG powers the beat, give this
guy a look. Now he's the head coach of Bowling Green.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I couldn't be happier. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
If you want to laugh and show you the circuitous
path that took him to Bowling Green. I believe the
other coach that day, I gotta look it up. We're
already off on a tangent. The other coach that day
was Hugh Jackson.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Gay.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Hebby nods and says, let's get to the content, all right, So.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
We're gonna do that. Obviously, free agency opened this week.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
We waited a little bit until later in the week
to do this pod because we wanted to see all
the things.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That the Browns were going to do.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And as you know by now, there wasn't a massive headline.
But that's a reality of the team's offseason situation. Your
massive headline was last Sunday when Miles Garrett got his
deal done, a deal that I think kind of stunned everyone.
Not that eventually the two sides made peace. I think
we're all happy with that, but how it happened, when
(02:31):
it happened, and the size of the number with which
it happened. It was forty million dollars a year. We
could break that down a little bit later. Let's go
through some of the other moves. There was not a
massive headline. Hey, here's thirty five million dollars on DK metcalf. No,
it was Miles that was the headline. The other moves
were slightly more affordable, and I think, actually, give you
(02:53):
some of these are really good. Had a chance to
speak to Joe tryon Shriyanka yesterday. Now he didn't get
his fit here picked up. He was a first round pick,
thirty second overall, one of the COVID kids coming out
early out of the University of Washington. His sack numbers
were never huge there, but they were playing him in
a three four. A lot of people think, and I'm
one of them, that you put him at a Jim
(03:14):
Schwartz defense, You line him up in the wide din,
you put him opposite.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Miles, and you let him go eat that.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
At four and a half million, this is a value
signing with some significant upside.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, maybe again, you get drafted maybe you just need
a change of scenery, Maybe you need a different system.
Jim Schwartz, the system seems to fit him very well.
He kept saying it yesterday. I can't wait to just
be unleashed and go eat. Let me go eat, let
me go feast, let me go after the quarterback. You
saw the interaction from Miles on the Browns digital platforms.
(03:51):
The guy's just excited to get here, work out, start
getting ready, and turn him loose.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Here come fall.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I think a great value signing for the Cleveland Browns
and a guy that I think will be a good
rotation fit with on that defensive line linebacker it is
he is listed as defensive end, but I believe he
was drafted as a linebacker.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Am I correct? On You are correct? He's a three
to four backer. That was kind of the thing.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Todd Bowles tried to scheme Mo up a lot and
try to find ways for him to get after the quarterback,
but he was dropping a lot as well in that
three to four That isn't necessarily his forte. Again, if
they can unlock the pass rush, he has fifteen career
of sacks in four seasons. If they can unlock that,
this is a value deal. And I know often I
often equate things to the Rams. I see a Leonard
(04:41):
Floyd situation here. He was a first round pick, grant
that he was a top ten pick. The Bears picked
up his fifth year option, then decided to get rid
of him before year five. He had eighteen career sacks
at that point. They bring him into LA. You put
him opposite Aaron Donald, and here we're putting him opposite,
maybe not opposite, but more more opposite than Aaron Donald.
Have played inside Miles Garrett, and it's good to be
(05:05):
that other guy. And I think Joe Tryon Tryanka could
benefit from that elite Collins with Dalvin Tomlinson gone, and
I think both of us want to say thank you.
All Browns fans want to say thank you to Dalvin Tomlinson.
Put it a couple of really good years, great great
locker room guy, a hard worker and a good personality.
Dalvin Tomlinson cab casualty. He is now in Arizona. And
(05:27):
the Browns bring in the former forty nine er, well
traveled Molike Collins, who is a defensive tackle, not as
big as Dalvin.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
He is a get up the field and get after
the quarterback guy.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Very much, a guy like Tryon Tryanka that in Jim
Schwartz's defense is going to get to the quarterback, and.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I think that that's a priority.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You can see it in free agency with the guys
that this organization is bringing in. They want to be
more aggressive. They want to be in the backfield. They
want to be making plays with that front seven that
they've got the back end lockdown with it with three
great corners to start off with, and then Grant delp
It in the safety spot. They know they have playmakers
(06:10):
in the back, but you have to be able to
force the quarterback to make mistakes or force turnovers and
force sex. And this is another one. I really like
this one, and I love Dalvin Tomlinson. I'm sorry to
see him go, Sam, the good news is, don't feel
too sorry for him. The man got a nice little
payday in Arizona and is able to continue his career
(06:34):
a little sonnier, maybe even.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
A little warmer year round.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Malik Collins, though, I just think I think it's a
good pick up. Again, it's a veteran comes from a
winning culture and he can bring that to the table
as well. And his ability to get upfield has been
well documented I think from Brian Baldinger, your friend and mine,
and a few others who are good under the radar.
(06:59):
Signing for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Absolutely, we're getting to the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I promise, I promise We're not avoiding the tations. Cornelius
Lucas was signed as well, most recently with the Commanders.
He replaces James Hudson who went to the Giants. He's
basically your swing tackle right if you need him to start,
and he has started both left and right, he can
be that guy. He is your swing tackle, your third
or fourth tackle. He is the guy that you plug
(07:24):
in in case of emergency. James Hudson was that guy,
though he got plenty of starts over the years with
the multiple injuries on either side of the line.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
He is older than Hudson.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Cornelius Lucas, who is in the building I know later
this week, actually late this week, is in the building
on Thursday, is also a signee and.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Then we get We had him on Cleveland Browns Daily yesterday.
He was great.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Boo Bookend on the basketball team six eight three twenty seven.
He's he has worked hard and been doubted ever since
he came into the league.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He has a chip on his shoulder. I loved him.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
We thought he was really really good on the air
with us. He's got the right mindset, a good veteran
presence in that offensive line room.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And he brought the whole family in there. Great to
see the little ones running around the building as well.
It is the off season. Cornelius Lucas is your new
swing tackle. Devin Bush resigned.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
There's an example you want to go to, Joe Tryon Tryanka.
There's an example of a former first round pick at
linebacker given another shot. For Bush, it was his third shot,
had that one year in Seattle. He played well last year,
especially against the run. A lot of my friends blowing
up my phone going who's playing linebacker? Devin Bush is
coming back. It's a good move. It's an affordable move
as well. And then we have the quarterbacks. Kenny Pickett
(08:44):
yesterday in the building as well. Nathan sat down with him.
He did the podium for the media. Kenny Pickett is
coming over from Philadelphia speaking a former first round picks
in exchange for DTR and a five first off love DTR.
I'm going to them and this goes back to his
days at UCLA. Obviously, I am in the home office.
(09:05):
I got to see him there. I got to interview
him an NFL network long before the Browns drafted him.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I love the kid. I think he can play in
this league.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And obviously with the chances he was given here did
not happen. Preseason, yes, regular season no.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I wish him the best.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm really happy he gets a fresh start, and I'm
happy he's in a good room with Jalen Hurts and
hopefully the future continues to be bright and he gets
another shot and he kills it because I know that
he will. And Kenny Pickett and again, I know my
phone was blown up give you. I know yours was
as well from Browns fans who A hate the Steelers
and b had their eyes set on this huge, huge
(09:46):
splash maybe at quarterback there.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
What is going on here? I'll tell you what's going
on here.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
For two point six million dollars, a guy that has
started twenty five games was a first round pick. By
the way, the Steelers won fifteen of those twenty five.
Actually the Eagles, you know, throw them in as well.
Fifteen of those twenty five games Is he year two?
Is he year three? He does get a chance, he
said Thursday, to compete for number one for what you
(10:12):
gave up. When you see how many teams need multiple
starting quarterbacks. We've seen this movie before. This is a
solid piccup truly, like, look at the big picture here
and don't just go I can't believe we traded for
that Steelers quarterback that dtr beat.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It's March fourteenth. It is saitting this on Friday, March fourteenth.
The quarterback room is not even close to being done
being formed.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Can he Pickett as a piece of that?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
You know, it's giving him another chance. It's another guy
that again when maybe just given a change, change of scenery,
what he's learned from being in Philadelphia and being under
their tutelage. I'm not saying that Pittsburgh gave him bad tutelage,
but I don't know what he had in Pittsburgh from
(11:06):
an offensive standpoint. Get another chance here and get him
some reps, coach him up, see what he can do.
He's going to be one of a couple different pieces
in that quarterback room. They're not done, meaning the Cleveland Browns.
So everybody just take a deep breath. Let's see how
this all plays out. He has talent. Why not see
(11:29):
what he can do? I mean, especially if you're remaking
this quarterback room, which seems to be the case.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Kenny Pickett has twenty five career starts. As mentioned, he
has six fourth quarter comebacks and seven game winning drives
in his twenty five career starts, so in the fourth
quarter when the money was on the table, including as
a rookie. Four of those came his rookie year, including
(11:59):
at one point weeks fifteen and sixteen down the stretch
when that team was fighting for the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Can he Pickett performed?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I mean, gibby you as the Steeler fan wanted Matt
Cannada out of there, I mean how much I'm kidding
you get my point? He gets another start, he gets
a fresh start. It's going to be in a different room.
Whether it's Russell Wilson or quarterback to be named later
or rookie quarterback. He gets a chance to compete. And
instead of saying, hey, we desperately need a quarterback at
(12:30):
the trade deadline, who can we trade for?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You have a guy who best case, look.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Maybe he's starting. He wants I'm not going to tell
him he can't. He says he was told he has
the chance to compete. That's all anybody wants. But if
he's door two or door three, it's not a bad situation.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean, those are my.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Two cents, because I know everybody wants the big splash
headline at quarterback right now, that's not going to happen.
Even though Russell Wilson was in the building on Thursday,
did you guys get out?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I didn't see him at all. They kept him away
from us. Okay, it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
He got in about eight thirty. I guess left around
two thirty.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
That wasn't your shaky cells video outside with the suv
pulling away.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It was not.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I did say hello to the media contingent that was
camped out literally for seven hours out front. I thought
about ordering them pizzas.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You could have done that. I mean, they're all good people.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I like them in all seriousness. If it is Russ
and then maybe we have to cut this out. But no,
let's keep it. If it is Russ, people are gonna
like him. He's a likable guy.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
He's won a super Bowl. He there, he's a winner.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
He's a winner and a leader, okay, and he's tough
as all get out. We're gonna remember the Thursday night
game as the snow Globe game a year ago, and
it was amazing on so many levels. Okay, but go
back and watch the football and take your eyes off
the snow Miles and the Browns front seven beat the
(13:59):
living snot out of Russell Wilson, and he kept getting up.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Look at the Hail Mary at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Everybody wants to focus on George Pickens and Greg Newsom
in the back of the end zone. Focus on the
hit that Russell Wilson took. He gave his guys time.
He ran around a little bit to make sure his
guys got to the end zone. George Pickens, remember I
gave him so much time, was already the dog pad
at that.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Point, actually the other end of the other end of
the stadium. To get my point right.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
He was running through the end zone picking a fight.
But he did that knowing he was going to get killed.
He was destroyed and he got up. So he is
a tough you know what, and you know what, if
it's Russell Wilson dog pound, let's bark.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
We are literally three days into the formal beginning of
the NFL new year.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Let's bark. We are six.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Weeks from the draft, in six months from the season, right,
there's your headline. Okay, so this is the best podcast available.
I ran through. We ran through the list of free agents.
The most notable name on that list wasn't a free agent,
but he has a fantastic new contract.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Miles Garrett, did uh did you bring me a cupcake?
How were those?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Uh? Well, you know, I'm not a squeet sweets guy myself,
but I saved the one for you.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Okay, well, thank you. Congratulations man. Do you feel better
that this is all over?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah? I mean it's stop, you know, dominating them some
of some of the aspects of my life. You know,
I try to try to keep a pretty low key profile.
So go back to doing that, staying out of the
the news cycle, to working out, recovering and get ready
to have the best season that I've had in my career.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Let's let's talk about that, because I know what it
was like for the fans, and you were asked about
that a lot on the podium, and I know it
was like for people in the building.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
What has Miles the last month been like for.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
You, Uh, it's been long. No just you know, trying
to turn on Sports Center, you know, seeing the news,
trying to watch some basketball, and you know, I'm going
getting out of the news cycle and seeing my name
no pup with different teams and and just being no
(16:23):
used and uh toss around so much. I prefer to
be out of that kind of stuff. I prefer to
just be another team, and I prefer to work in silence.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
February third, And I know you probably have talked about
it over the weekend, but that Monday of the Super
Bowl when you decided to hit send, like you decided,
all right, we're doing this, We're putting this out into
the ether, into the world.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Did you think you'd be sitting here again.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I knew it was a possibility that'd be sitting sitting here.
I mean ab had been uh steadfast and his opinion
that uh, you know, we're not trading away, uh Miles
Garrett and you I trust his his patience and his
fortitude and uh that kind of that kind of uh
you know, loyalty to to me doesn't doesn't go unnoticed.
(17:16):
I appreciate him, you know, standing by me, and uh,
you know having patience for the situation, you know, just
talking me through things and don't get it, getting us
both on the right page and and uh no, seeing
how this this future that that we both want can
can be here sooner than than we than I would expect.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And you said that it opened up the discourse. There
was constant communication like what did that look like? Did
is ab Like the guy that texts you at three
in the morning that says, hey, what if we did this?
Like what's that back and forth?
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Uh, I wouldn't say he's a three in the morning guy.
You know he has a little bit more respectful my time,
but uh you know that that early morning, you know,
mid afternoon, no text of just walking me through things,
his ideas, you know, his opinion on things, and knowing
that you know, nothing that I did was out of
spite and just not handling the thing with emotion, just
(18:15):
being very very respectful, but giving me a abressive the
situation on Drein and just talking through it with him
and Nicole, and just like I said, just continue to
get us both on the same page, all right.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
The cynic would say, the money change your mind, I
get it. I mean that's human nature here but listening
to you in the podium, they're also I know, you
can't play the team's cards here.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
It sounds like ab was able to change your mind
as well. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah? I mean for the point after the season where
I was, you know, I was beat up and I
was tired, I was, I was frustrated from you know,
the outcome of that season, it was it was a
pointing no from from all aspects now to the to
the point now he continued to be no consistent and
persistent you know, with his with his messaging on and
(19:10):
know as things have developed, like I said, no, we've
we've seen more and more changes, you know, throughout the league,
and no seeing more from this this young draft class,
and uh, you know, how can they can come in
and make an immediate impact and really turn this thing around?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Okay, I'm not trying to get too deep here. It's
a Friday of Saint Patrick's Eate weekend. But we've talked
before about philosophy. Obviously, books on your nightstand for those
who don't know, you got a lot of philosophy books
over there. Is there a philosophic approach that you took
to this? Is there some stoicism with rationality and trying
to accept things as they are. Did did you go
(19:49):
down that road as well in the last month?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Uh? Stoicism was last year, you know, that was that
was meditations, That was Marcus Aurelius, that was That was
all last year. And now we're now we're you know,
we're focusing on how to be the best versions of ourselves,
how we uplift others, not just you know, developing the
man on the inside, but how how we can elevate
(20:16):
everyone around us.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And I spoke to Russell on Thursday. Did you really
tell him that you wouldn't sack them three or four times?
That's why you should be here?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Uh, that's what I told Setanski. I told him good
to get that as a as a as a point,
and I wouldn't want to, uh you know, have that
be our last conversation, but that that would be pretty
memorable for him.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I mean, you already have Kenny Pickett there right, Yeah,
he's not getting sacked three or four times a.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Year either, true, but uh, you know, if he makes
a run decision, it could be in.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
All serious is do you know who the quarterback is
going to be? I mean, do you have an idea.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
After conversations, I do have an idea.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Okay, do you like the idea?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I like it enough to to be here smiling in
front of you, because I think we have a good
chance of that happening and making the most out of it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Can you tell us who it is?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Miles? You know I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I do know that.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But I also remember that Ab was sitting there and
mobiles saying that he's not a patient guy. He wants
the draft to be tomorrow. We're six weeks from the draft.
We are six months from the first game. I want
to circle back to the fans here, for the fans
who are impatient and like my old man being one
of them, on one of them, like, what would you
tell them?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Trust in the process. No, there, No, there's been some
some ups and downs. You No, the discipline of last
year will be replaced by the elation and joy of
next year because you no, continue to put this plan
in place and we have a lot of things to
build upon. But that's that is also the great part
(22:05):
about it. No, we have a head of a foundation. Now,
we just got to get to work.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I think the first time I saw a smile on
the podium and we're taping this after you wrapped up
talking to everyone else. Was when you were asked about
I think the relief of being able to stay home home,
being Northeast Ohio.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Is there a sense of.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Relief that there is normalcy back in your life here?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Absolutely. I wouldn't want to, you know, pick up and
move my life, you know. I think all that goes
unnoticed about a person's transition to another team, you know,
having to uh no move their their families, their belongings,
no there they are, the homes to to somewhere else,
and you know, being able to you know, keep all
(22:54):
those things status called being able to stay here with this,
this community, this family and uh nungteens to uh to
to work with this this goal that we passed this
day one. No, that's that's what I want it. So
I'm glad we can all come together and make this happen.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
All right, last thing, I'll get you out of here.
Who are the Calves getting in the finals?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I think the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Honestly really not not Lebron and.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I just don't know if they have what it takes
this year without a big and uh I think the
the thunder is just still a little bit too green,
and I think the Nuggets have that the championship DNA
to get there. But I think the Calves are the
most complete team in the NBA right now. So it's
(23:54):
a it's our it's our tip to lose, honestly, all.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Right, I I lied one more thing. Your reaction when
the Luca trade went down.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
It was the same reactions to everyone else. It was
complete shock. And it's not like my little minority state
got me a little bit of a tip before anyone else.
I was completely completely lost, just like everyone else. That
was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I'm personally rooting for Calves Lakers, but you know whatever,
I'll take Calves against anyone. I'll take Browns against anyone
next year as well in Santa Clara, So let's build
towards that. Miles Garrett, congratulations again. It's great to have
you back in the building. Hope you're climbing a mountain.
They're doing something fun of the off season. Time to
get back to work, man. I appreciate you, yes, sir,
(24:43):
thank you
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