November 27, 2024 • 26 mins
Camryn Irwin, D'Marco Farr, and Stu Jackson talk takeaways after Week 12, rookie defensive end Braden Fiske's development, offensive lineman Rob Havenstein's possible return, keys to victory against the New Orleans Saints, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to Between the Horns, presented by your Southern California
Toyo to Dealers. I'm Cameron Irwood alongside Stu Jackson and
the Master of Ceremonies DeMarco Farr aka super Bowl champ.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I don't know about that. You know what, Surprisingly, I
felt more comfortable out there than anywhere. Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know what? You looked comfortable. You did a phenomenal job.
If you didn't get a chance to see, I mean,
my goodness, we'll show some clips right now, but we
got a chance to celebrate the ninety nine at Super
Bowl Champion team. It's a twenty fifth anniversary, and you
even got the kicks, you got it all. But DeMarco
Farr led the.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Way I felt good. I mean, that's a good group
of guys to have with you if you're on a
football field, right, A couple of Hall of Famers and
a bunch of tough guys. Yeah good stuff, Yeah so happy.
Thank you to the Rams for putting that on and
just special. Can't believe it's been twenty five years. I
don't look that.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Old, do I No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Work for you see, and I still got my hair
how about that? Right, hold on, let me put this up.
What do you think? See he's pretty good, same guy, right, Yeah,
I wish I had this. I wish I had this
guy's knees though. Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
An exact moment, right, Yes, this.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Is from the playoffs. This is the first ever playoff
game in Saint Louis history. And I had recovered a
fumble by your buddy Jeff George, and he dropped it
right there, said well, thank you very much. And I
was bringing this to my mother like she told me, yeah,
that's me.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Hey, mom, Well it was an incredible time. Give me
a chance to see that ninety nine team. Now, that
might have been probably our biggest highlight coming off the
loss to Philly. And it was pretty pretty rough in
some moments, and according to Sean McVay, what he called
somewhat humbling. However, there were some benchmarks that potentially could shift.
(01:55):
You're facing an amazing team in the Eagles, right, like
they bring so much skill offensive, defensive. I have to
start with where do you kind of assess this loss?
Where do you begin?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Wow? Well, you guys been how long have you guys
been watching ball? Like when did you start watching football
just average. Yeah, five six, Okay, that had to be
one of the best performances you've ever seen out of
a football player what Saquon Barkley did. So, if you
play this game long enough, eventually you're going to run
into a buzzsaw. And unfortunately it happened on primetime, so
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everybody saw it. But I mean, he's good, he has
a chance for MVP, So I'm not surprised by that.
I guess I am surprised because there is a path
to victory, to beat good teams, even if they're a
little bit better. And I thought the Rams were following
the script until you put the ball on the deck
and then things started to happen and they snowballed. You
got behind. That's where you don't want to be in
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Philadelphia Beaches. So I'm not surprised by that. So it's
not the end of the road. You've still got some
things to play for, So it's it's only one loss.
It just so happens that everybody saw it.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, And to your point of Marco two, I mean
it's goes to show the margin for arrogance. Teams like that,
you know that are in the upper echelon of the conference.
You just can't have the self inflicted mistakes like you
talked about the fumbles, some of the penalties, miss field
goals that the Rams had if you're trying to make
that competitive and come out with a win.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I'm not just picking on one guy and not
picking on Kyra, and there's a lot of them. I mean,
I think Jared Verse just learned a very valuable lesson.
That's Jalen Hurts. He can get outside if you go inside.
So make sure if you you know freelance and try something,
you don't violate lane integrity or he'll get out. So
there's lessons to be learned. Some of them in football
can be painful.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, it is Thanksgiving week and it's actually just the
day before Thanksgiving, so we have to talk a little
bit about what we're thankful for coming out of this matchup,
because I can tell you one the thing, I am
thankful we do not have to see Saq one again.
And the second thing, Brandon Fisk still putting on a performance.
He just seems to just stack. He had a sack
against Philly for pressures three hurries, and right now he
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is currently leading all rookies with six sacks this season,
and can you maybe speak to how he led in
this one?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Bro? He he is, I just called you, Bro, I'm sorry,
I thank you. I'm bad. But when I see him,
it's like, wow, he is absolutely flat ass balling. He
is really really balling his butt off. So there's a
lot more to go. And it's hard because we all
got to see the greatest to ever do it, Aaron,
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so I judge them a little bit differently. But the
hardest part of playing defensive line that spot is pass rushing.
You got to play you got to be viable in
the run game and in the pass game. The hardest
part is pass rushing. Well, he's got that. The other
stuff you can teach him and he's gonna learn. He
learned versus Philadelphia. But that was the first thing. And
the first guy that the Philadelphia guys wanted to talk about, Well,
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you got Stafford cup Pooka, Jared Versus is about to
be defensive Rookie of the Year, and the first guy
they wanted to talk about was Braden Fisk. So the
secret's out. He can get it home. When you can
rush the passer in today's game, it's very, very valuable,
and it helps your football team no doubt.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I go back to what Kobe Turner told me earlier
this season about how he views Braden Fisk, and he said,
I don't look at him like a normal rookie. And
with the ownership that he's shown and obviously the production
he's had, it's not difficult to see why he's held
in that high regard, even by some of his experienced teammates.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
JB. Long called him Kingpinn on the air. I think
it's gonna stick. Yeah, yeah, have you guys seen Kingpin
from Spider Man? Yeah? Now, I can't unsee it, so
JP might be right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well, I like to tell you guys on a little
bit of a roller coaster, especially after a loss. So
we're going to continue the climb here with another nice nugget.
Puka Nakua has just been impactful, especially after the catch.
Now that he's back on the field for the Los
Angeles Rams, his tenth one hundred yard receiving game of
his career, he's now tied for second most in NFL
history in a player's first twenty three games. Well, I
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mean he was the target time and time again in
this matchup. And we're going to need him against the
Saints now, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I think you need him. You know, he's an extension
of the run game. He's a great route runner. So
being on the sidelines is funny and it's fun and
it's funny sometimes because you see these corners and when
Puka catches it, especially when the ball is delivered on
time where he could spin around and get north and south,
and he faces up these smaller corners and it's like
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dawns on them for the first time how big he is,
and their eyes get so big and he can feel
that and just go right through him. So so valuable,
and not just in the passing game. The guy is
willing to block anyone, just like Cooper Cup So there's
so many things you can do with him offensively. So
I just hope that you can get more opportunities. And
when you have those scoring ops, you keep them by
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not turning the ball over. So I think that's what's
been killing the team. But Puka has been absolutely lights
out for this football team for a while.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Love the physicality that he plays with, and I think
to what DeMarco was just saying, you know, that's a
one of the biggest reasons why he's able to make
so much happen after the catch, I mean, speeding Agilli's
is there too, of course, but that physicality is has
been his calling card.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
What do you think of the hair? I like it.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
It was flowing in pregame interview, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Catching New England with the hair flying back. I was
kind of jealous it once. I know, right, if it's
out there, it's legal, So just know that.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm tying that up. All right. Well,
now that we've hit the top of the roller coaster,
let's bring it back down a little bit to reality.
Now on both sides of the trenches, the Rams were
presented with some benchmarks for line play at the top
of the league right both offensive and defensively. We have
some youth, especially on our defensive front. What can they
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take in terms of a learning lesson having faced off
against the team like the Eagles offensive line.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I know, it's it's it's it's been great, and there's
been some some moments where they're young, like against Philadelphia
where it just didn't go as well. Saquon had a
great day on you. But all that stuff they're going
through when they're being asked to go back out on
the field like in New England to win the football game,
or other situations where they're putting bad situations, either they
they get the stop or they don't. They're all learning.
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This is all information they can use for later on
at some point, and it might happen starting Sunday in
New Orleans where they've seen everything they need to see
to become a great defense. So the more reps you get,
the more bad situations you're put in, the more times
you have success, the better you're going to become. Everybody
is learning. They're all young, so I wish you didn't
have to have groin pains in football, but you do.
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So what happened against Philadelphia will help them in the
long run. So it seems bad now, but you know,
trust me, if they stay the course and they stay
healthy and you keep drilling the same values into them,
at some point, this defense is going to be top ten,
maybe even beyond.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Rushling integrity, gap integrity especially. I mean that's to your
point about painful lessons earlier. I mean, that's a team
that if you miss one gap or pick the wrong one,
or miss that assignment in some way. They're going to
make you pay in multiple different ways, especially with the
threat that Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley present out of
the backfield. So yeah, there won't be teams that present
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as big of a threat as those two in the
in the same backfield. But still, I mean, if if
you're if you're gonna pick a game where it's like,
you know, knowing your gaps and being gap sound and
rustling sound.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Oh yeah, Omar Spates and Rose Boom had him dead
to rights in the A gap and you're thinking there's
no way he can get from there all the way
out to there. Oh yes, you can, bet bam. So
you learn that's that I've never seen that before. Now
you have. Now you have to guard for it. You
get better.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
DeMarco, do you like cranberry sauce with your turkey? Do
you like the salty sweet combination? Come on, yes, well,
because this is a little bit salty, a little sweet
talking about the run defense. But I got to give
my guy MJD a little love. Last time that somebody
had two touchdowns for over seventy yards in a single
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game before Sunday Night was, in fact, our friend Maurice
Jones drew so shut out that.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Okay, so they I heard that, and they also said
Maurice was really good outside in the cold when he
was a player. What happened to that?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Come on, He's getting bundled up, that's for sure. And lastly,
I'll leave you with this thinking back to Philly. I
love what Sean McVay had to say this week in
regards to his team, saying he's looking forward to learning
about themselves this week and especially down this stretch. How
does that resonate with you as we're heading into the
last few games of the season.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I think that's entirely fair, don't you. I really do
because they say this, and I've been on some teams
obviously before we won the super Bowl and doing this
job that we're out of it before Thanksgiving, like you
were out of the super Bowl race mathematically, and they
always say the same thing, We're going to see who
loves to play football from here. We got seven games ago.
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They don't really matter that much as far as super Bowl,
but we're going to see who loves it. Same thing.
You're in the hunt here, thank god, but you are.
You're going to find out a lot about who your
players are, who your coaches are, how do they feel
about this game, and how much do you want to win?
You just got sherlocked on national TV. How are you
going to respond to that? There's only two ways. I
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don't care, or we're gonna never have that happen again.
So we're gonna find out in New Orleans. So I
think that's the exact right tone you want to you know,
hit with this team right now.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
It's about how you respond, right Just like you mentioned
and like McVeagh mentions all the time, I mean, divisions
still very much up for grabs. And you look at
you know, the circumstances of team faced last year and
the way they were able to respond from those adverse
that adverse situation and make a run and end up
getting a wild card birth. So still yeah, still within reach.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I you know, me, us up here, everybody in this room,
We're not going down without a fight. So without a doubt,
we're gonna find out.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, Well, let's dig into it. The NFC West and
where it now stands. We got a little help this
week thanks to the Seahawks and of course the Packers.
The Yuks win over the Cardinals, Packers win over the
forty nine ers. Still within grass this is this is
a wild division right now, Everyone just within one game
of each other could play to our favor and consideration
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as to what's still to come. But what do you
feel like the Rams need to improve upon down the
stretch here to be able to have a chance.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Just one, just one thing, Okay, I think the most
important thing in the room going all the way back
to July. Protect your quarterback. Protect Matthew Stafford. I'll give
this dude credit, and I give him a lot of credit.
I think he's one of the best arm talents I've
ever seen. He's a great leader. He's tough his nails,
but you get to see that toughness on display. That
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shot he took from Brandon Graham right to the face
where you couldn't see it coming, and that would scare
the bags out of anybody he.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Popped right up to the sideline. I noticed it too.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Even if he was hurt, He's not gonna show them
that and give his team that. He's got to be
a leader, so I would rather him not take those shots.
So protecting your quarterback, I think from here on out
has got to be paramount.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Being better on third down for me. You know, this
was something that McVeigh acknowledged post game that you know,
that's an area that they need to better are at.
And you know, until you can start getting into some
of those more manageable down in distances with you know,
being getting ahead of the change on chains on perst
and second down, you know when you are in those
third and lungs, well, trying to avoid those third and
lungs is really you know where it starts. That ties
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into better protection as well. But getting there would solve
quite a few problems.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And don't fumble, Yeah, that would help us. Well, yeah,
a little ball security. We'll get there. We'll get there.
But you know, we were in this situation it doesn't
feel like too long ago. And the Rams winning seven
of their last eight games in the twenty twenty three season,
so things were a little little bit similar. We talk
about building momentum, they have still picked up a significant
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wave of momentum. This Philly team was a tough task
to have to take on. How do you kind of
bridge the gap between winning four or five, taking a loss,
and then all of a sudden still trying to carry
that momentum, when you know the team, you just face.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I think even the best teams go week by week.
So I think this team should go week by day
by day. You're trying to get better incrementally, and it's
all about just building those wins. It could be, you know,
a good practice, It could be not a ball hits
the ground in a certain period of practice. It could
be cleaning up the locker room, could be small things.
But you have to start stacking wins. So when Wednesday,
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when Thursday, win Friday, definitely win on Sunday and then
start again on Monday. I don't think right now any
team is good enough to say we have to win
x amount of the next games to It's not that
you got to win each day, each moment and then
start with Sunday.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Being in the now is a lot more favorable compared
to say, looking ahead and counting the number of games
left and looking at the standings and trying to figure out,
to Cameron's point, like that exact number of that magic number.
So taking a week by week makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I guess the easiest way stay off your phones.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, I know, and Stu we were talking about it.
Just be prior to the show. But the rams potentially
you want to be in the position to control your
own destiny. How do they kind of get there?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah, just exactly what DeMarco was talking about. I mean,
it's really just you know, winning obviously, and and relying
more on yourselves than having to be in a situation
where you're relying more on the help of others, especially
teams in the division, in order to uh, you know,
be in the position you want to be and obviously,
which is reaching the postseason.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, let's start with Alvin Kamara and Taysom Hill and
everybody else there, and then we'll keep going. Then we'll
worry about somebody else. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You talk about staying off your phones just reminded me.
I know somebody who's been staying off their phones. That's
Puka and Akua. By the way, we are in the
NFC West, which is great. I don't know if you
saw that this week.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Well, he he was asked about in his weekly press
conference and he apparently at that moment was when he
found out that we were in the NFC West.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
He's we're in No, that's so brand I love it.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, exactly to who He is.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Just ball catch go love it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Very focused on what's h exactly exactly, Well, let's focus
on what's important coming up this week as we have
the New Orleans Saints on the road, and you guys
already mentioned it. Kamara is a scary task to have
to face, and maybe there is a bright light having
you know, in the sense having had to face Saquon,
maybe there's something we can.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Sure up, no doubt. Yeah, when something bad happens when
you were a kid and your parents found out, that's
the last time that happened, right, Well, the same thing.
So all the mistakes you made or the stuff you
didn't think a running back can do, all that's out
the window. So it just it's gonna make you a
better player. And in my opinion, I think Kamara is
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basically a smaller Saquon. He's a guy that could start
front side and break out the backside seagaps, so it
takes all eleven to stop him, and he's a problem
out of the backfield. And I think New Orleans is
it might be the most tricky offense or the most
intricate because of Taysom Hill and what they can do.
So you have to be laser focused in the meeting room,
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and you have to be even more physical and better
on the field. So it's a tough matchup for this
Rams defense.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well, it's good that you bring up Kamara and Taysom Hill,
especially because with all the injuries they've dealt with that
wide receiver Chrystal Lave being out, especially they're number one.
I mean, they've still been a productive and functional offense
even just having Kamara and Hill available, and so certainly
starts with those guys this week.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Isn't it crazy? We're talking about an NFL offense and
we haven't even mentioned the starting quarterback yet. Well, that's
how crazy it is.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, it's insane. And especially they're currently sitting at four
and seven. They're coming off back to back wins and
a buy leading into this, so they have plenty of
prep time and for us to now kind of prep
in this condensed sense, you're going, where are we even looking?
The first drive versus the Browns for the Saints, Taysom
Hill threw a pass, caught a pass, and a ran
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in for a touchdown. Like he's also in the return game,
he had one of the best performances that I've seen.
How do you go about trying to low a guy
like that down? Where does the pepper preparation even begin?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I think I want to date myself here. But he
is the pro version of Gordy Lockbaum. Anybody ever heard
of him. He's a guy that could do everything. He
just he played every position in college. He was but
he didn't turn out to be a good pro. But
I didn't think that was possible in the professional leagues
and today's NFL or the past. But he is that guy.
I mean, that is so tough to defend. But I
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would say this if I was coordinating, and I think
Chris Shula is going to say something like this to
his guys. Just forget the number and just wherever he
lines up, that's what he is. If he's in the
backfield as a full back, treat him as a fullback.
We're going to go twenty one. If he's out here
at tight end, treat him as a tight end. If
you're always waiting for him to take the snap and
throw it, that's when they kill you. So wherever he
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lines up, that's what he is. Treat him as such,
and then go knock his teeth.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Out, especially on those first and second levels. You'd better
be communicating and getting that back to the secondary as well,
knowing where he is at all times.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, And I watched that game versus Browns, and I'm
sitting there going like if I'm young defender trying to
picture exactly where he's aligning, Like, that's a nightmare to me,
and I would not want to have to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I would just take like I said, take the guesswork
out wherever he is. That's what you are, and this
is what I call to it. But I think the
only he still presents problems when he lines up a
quarterback and they start running the read option. He is
really good at it, and that's how he scored. I
think his first touchdown was running. So he's a problem.
I didn't I thought it was a gimmick. I didn't
think it would last this long. But here we are.
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He's still playing.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
There's no doubt he is still playing. Well, let's turn
to the other side, because you talked about protecting Matthew
Stafford and the Saints, they can actually get after the quarterback.
They had three sacks in each of their last two games.
The good news for the Los Angeles rams Rob Havenstein
potentially back on the offensive line. How much of a
difference can he make?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Darth Vader returns, that's my guy. Yeah, when he walks
down the plane with that bag, doesn't he fill up
the whole aisle. That's just a big dude. So having
him back, the size is going to help. A veteran
presence will definitely help the communication. You have a young center,
so that will definitely you know, it's a benefit having
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him back on the field, but I think it's also psychological.
He's one of your oldest guys. When he's out there,
you want to play your best football to make sure
that you impress him. That's what being a veteran is about.
So having him back should be a lyft for this
football team and you get better. It's one of your
better tackles.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well said, well, we're all about being complimentary on Between
the Horns in terms of keys to victory for this matchup.
As we were flying through this Between the Horns episode,
what needs to take place to pick up the win?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You told me, so I can say, well, you know,
I think to tie in some of the other topics
that we've we've touched on in this conversation starts with
running the ball, especially with where the Saints franks statistically.
We're talking about trying to have more manageable third downs
and taking some of that pressure off of Stafford, helping
the protection. Especially when you look at how this team
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got itself out of the circumstances of last season that
I talked about. You look at their numbers. What was
the biggest difference Rushing yards just way up compared to
where it was the first half of the season during
some of those struggles. So you can establish the run
that's going to go a long way to a win
on Sunday, and also, like I said, taking care of
some of those other things.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know, I wouldn't mind seeing that too. And there
are stretches where it seems like Sean McVay goes to
the ground and he stays there and he's trying to
prove a point and it starts to work, and then
he starts to like it. Remember back in the day
when Andrew Whitworth was still here, when he would look
to the sideline and do this, like, let's keep running
the football at him. So you might start to see
some of that. The best way to start over on offense,
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especially on offense is if we want to get back
to basics, you start with running the ball because everything
flows off that. Even coach McVeigh says that if you're
running the football, well everything opens up, play action open up.
Your quarterback is better protected. So I am so down
with you. Well said, well said, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
To your point, the Saints rush defense rings twenty fifth
in the NFL. But I want to think too, back
to our run game because I was so hopeful facing
off against Philly. I think back to the first quarter
and kyn he actually had a couple explosives. There was
one for twenty seven yards, another for eleven yards if
I'm correct, obviously before what took place and the turnover.
But I'm going, oh man, we might be able to
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find some big chunks, and I'm hoping that's going to
be what takes place in New Orleans. We need it,
whether it's from him or quorum. At this point, what
about you.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Reminded me of like my term papers in college. Great paper,
great ideas forgot to put on the title page. So
it goes from Anata will be so, I mean, some
great runs. But then because he's been awesome before the fumble,
right and he's better after So can we just eliminate
the middle and stay with that? Because who knows? If you,
like you said, if you had a chance to get
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ahead of a great team like Philadelphia and keep the
pressure on them, who knows how that turns out. Maybe
they're just better. Uh, but you can put the heat
on them. If you get ahead of teams like New Orleans,
there's no way there's they're coming back, not with the
young pass rushers you have. So I think this team
was designed to be ahead. So if running the football
gets you ahead and can keep your head, then so
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be it.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, no doubt. What about a key to victory for you?
You got anything else? You said? You said you had
more than one.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I got one one more. Protect your quarterback, get after
the passer, don't make mistakes, you know, learn from what
just happened. The other thing is special teams, and it's
not picking on a guy, just the entire operation. You
got to make your kicks. Those points matter, especially when
you're in a tight race like this. So and usually
when guys miss you point to one guy and said
he missed. Well, there's a whole operation there, and there's
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a lot that we don't know, snap to hole to kick.
So whatever it is, you've got to streamline that. When
you have a chance for three or one, you've got
to get it. So when you're in a tight race,
when you're five and six, every point matters, so you
got to hit those kicks.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I love it. All right?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Well again, yeah episode title.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
By the way, this is what teamwork looks like right here.
All right, Well, those are your keys to victory. Guys.
We said it was gonna be a quick episode. Finally
I got got it done thirty minutes. Thanks story could
be happy, well said, Well said the episode last and final,
I mean Thanksgiving just around the corner, anything to be
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thankful for. I feel like this is like my mom
sitting at a dining room.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Table, which you guys, yeah listening intently. I'm gonna go
with Kevin Dotson one because of his play not only
as a past blocker run blocker and what he's meant
to the offensive line this season, but also if you
haven't seen his micd up, please go do yourself a
favor and watch it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Oh yeah, just okay.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
The genuine and authentic joy that this guy plays with
is what makes football fun and and it just every
time I see it, it just brings a smile to my face.
So yeah, for both of the all of those reasons,
I'm thankful for ket I've.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Never seen that guard wear a guardian helmet, so he
must be interesting. I got. I love this, and I
think he's doing it as a fashion statement, not for safety.
But I got to hear that. But you pick Kevin
Dotson to be thankful for Thanksgiving? I like my family,
my friends, all the people that I work with. Yes,
Kevin Dotson, Okay, we'll stick.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I like where you going with this?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, so thankful for the Rams.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I can think of one for you.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Okay, So I got one to be honest, I am
really and we all are. This team is everyone in
Los Angeles thankful that the NFC West is wide open
below five hundred and you still have a shot. We
should all be thankful for that. So that's that's kind
of where Earlene. Yeah. And Kevin Dotson.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And for my friends and family who are Yes, I
am thankful for you having a documented love you.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Mom, Yes, I love you. You know.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I will say the young defensive front because I think
there is a future there for the Los Angeles Rams
and It's one that gives me a ton of hope.
They have just been a pleasant surprise right off the bat,
and they are so fun to watch, so physical, so explosive,
and you know, I'm looking forward to years to come.
All thanks, yes, thanks for joining us on Between the Horns,
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presented by your Southern California Toyota Dealer. Of course, the
Rams going on the road to face the Saints for
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I'm Cameron ir went alongside Stu Jackson and our Super
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Welcome to Between the Horns, presented by your Southern California
Toyo to Dealers. I'm Cameron Irwood alongside Stu Jackson and
the Master of Ceremonies DeMarco Farr aka super Bowl champ.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I don't know about that. You know what, Surprisingly, I
felt more comfortable out there than anywhere. Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know what? You looked comfortable. You did a phenomenal job.
If you didn't get a chance to see, I mean,
my goodness, we'll show some clips right now, but we
got a chance to celebrate the ninety nine at Super
Bowl Champion team. It's a twenty fifth anniversary, and you
even got the kicks, you got it all. But DeMarco
Farr led the.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Way I felt good. I mean, that's a good group
of guys to have with you if you're on a
football field, right, A couple of Hall of Famers and
a bunch of tough guys. Yeah good stuff, Yeah so happy.
Thank you to the Rams for putting that on and
just special. Can't believe it's been twenty five years. I
don't look that.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Old, do I No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Work for you see, and I still got my hair
how about that? Right, hold on, let me put this up.
What do you think? See he's pretty good, same guy, right, Yeah,
I wish I had this. I wish I had this
guy's knees though. Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
An exact moment, right, Yes, this.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Is from the playoffs. This is the first ever playoff
game in Saint Louis history. And I had recovered a
fumble by your buddy Jeff George, and he dropped it
right there, said well, thank you very much. And I
was bringing this to my mother like she told me, yeah,
that's me.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Hey, mom, Well it was an incredible time. Give me
a chance to see that ninety nine team. Now, that
might have been probably our biggest highlight coming off the
loss to Philly. And it was pretty pretty rough in
some moments, and according to Sean McVay, what he called
somewhat humbling. However, there were some benchmarks that potentially could shift.
(01:55):
You're facing an amazing team in the Eagles, right, like
they bring so much skill offensive, defensive. I have to
start with where do you kind of assess this loss?
Where do you begin?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Wow? Well, you guys been how long have you guys
been watching ball? Like when did you start watching football
just average. Yeah, five six, Okay, that had to be
one of the best performances you've ever seen out of
a football player what Saquon Barkley did. So, if you
play this game long enough, eventually you're going to run
into a buzzsaw. And unfortunately it happened on primetime, so
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everybody saw it. But I mean, he's good, he has
a chance for MVP, So I'm not surprised by that.
I guess I am surprised because there is a path
to victory, to beat good teams, even if they're a
little bit better. And I thought the Rams were following
the script until you put the ball on the deck
and then things started to happen and they snowballed. You
got behind. That's where you don't want to be in
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Philadelphia Beaches. So I'm not surprised by that. So it's
not the end of the road. You've still got some
things to play for, So it's it's only one loss.
It just so happens that everybody saw it.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, And to your point of Marco two, I mean
it's goes to show the margin for arrogance. Teams like that,
you know that are in the upper echelon of the conference.
You just can't have the self inflicted mistakes like you
talked about the fumbles, some of the penalties, miss field
goals that the Rams had if you're trying to make
that competitive and come out with a win.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I'm not just picking on one guy and not
picking on Kyra, and there's a lot of them. I mean,
I think Jared Verse just learned a very valuable lesson.
That's Jalen Hurts. He can get outside if you go inside.
So make sure if you you know freelance and try something,
you don't violate lane integrity or he'll get out. So
there's lessons to be learned. Some of them in football
can be painful.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, it is Thanksgiving week and it's actually just the
day before Thanksgiving, so we have to talk a little
bit about what we're thankful for coming out of this matchup,
because I can tell you one the thing, I am
thankful we do not have to see Saq one again.
And the second thing, Brandon Fisk still putting on a performance.
He just seems to just stack. He had a sack
against Philly for pressures three hurries, and right now he
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is currently leading all rookies with six sacks this season,
and can you maybe speak to how he led in
this one?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Bro? He he is, I just called you, Bro, I'm sorry,
I thank you. I'm bad. But when I see him,
it's like, wow, he is absolutely flat ass balling. He
is really really balling his butt off. So there's a
lot more to go. And it's hard because we all
got to see the greatest to ever do it, Aaron,
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so I judge them a little bit differently. But the
hardest part of playing defensive line that spot is pass rushing.
You got to play you got to be viable in
the run game and in the pass game. The hardest
part is pass rushing. Well, he's got that. The other
stuff you can teach him and he's gonna learn. He
learned versus Philadelphia. But that was the first thing. And
the first guy that the Philadelphia guys wanted to talk about, Well,
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you got Stafford cup Pooka, Jared Versus is about to
be defensive Rookie of the Year, and the first guy
they wanted to talk about was Braden Fisk. So the
secret's out. He can get it home. When you can
rush the passer in today's game, it's very, very valuable,
and it helps your football team no doubt.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I go back to what Kobe Turner told me earlier
this season about how he views Braden Fisk, and he said,
I don't look at him like a normal rookie. And
with the ownership that he's shown and obviously the production
he's had, it's not difficult to see why he's held
in that high regard, even by some of his experienced teammates.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
JB. Long called him Kingpinn on the air. I think
it's gonna stick. Yeah, yeah, have you guys seen Kingpin
from Spider Man? Yeah? Now, I can't unsee it, so
JP might be right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well, I like to tell you guys on a little
bit of a roller coaster, especially after a loss. So
we're going to continue the climb here with another nice nugget.
Puka Nakua has just been impactful, especially after the catch.
Now that he's back on the field for the Los
Angeles Rams, his tenth one hundred yard receiving game of
his career, he's now tied for second most in NFL
history in a player's first twenty three games. Well, I
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mean he was the target time and time again in
this matchup. And we're going to need him against the
Saints now, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I think you need him. You know, he's an extension
of the run game. He's a great route runner. So
being on the sidelines is funny and it's fun and
it's funny sometimes because you see these corners and when
Puka catches it, especially when the ball is delivered on
time where he could spin around and get north and south,
and he faces up these smaller corners and it's like
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dawns on them for the first time how big he is,
and their eyes get so big and he can feel
that and just go right through him. So so valuable,
and not just in the passing game. The guy is
willing to block anyone, just like Cooper Cup So there's
so many things you can do with him offensively. So
I just hope that you can get more opportunities. And
when you have those scoring ops, you keep them by
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not turning the ball over. So I think that's what's
been killing the team. But Puka has been absolutely lights
out for this football team for a while.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Love the physicality that he plays with, and I think
to what DeMarco was just saying, you know, that's a
one of the biggest reasons why he's able to make
so much happen after the catch, I mean, speeding Agilli's
is there too, of course, but that physicality is has
been his calling card.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
What do you think of the hair? I like it.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
It was flowing in pregame interview, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Catching New England with the hair flying back. I was
kind of jealous it once. I know, right, if it's
out there, it's legal, So just know that.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm tying that up. All right. Well,
now that we've hit the top of the roller coaster,
let's bring it back down a little bit to reality.
Now on both sides of the trenches, the Rams were
presented with some benchmarks for line play at the top
of the league right both offensive and defensively. We have
some youth, especially on our defensive front. What can they
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take in terms of a learning lesson having faced off
against the team like the Eagles offensive line.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I know, it's it's it's it's been great, and there's
been some some moments where they're young, like against Philadelphia
where it just didn't go as well. Saquon had a
great day on you. But all that stuff they're going
through when they're being asked to go back out on
the field like in New England to win the football game,
or other situations where they're putting bad situations, either they
they get the stop or they don't. They're all learning.
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This is all information they can use for later on
at some point, and it might happen starting Sunday in
New Orleans where they've seen everything they need to see
to become a great defense. So the more reps you get,
the more bad situations you're put in, the more times
you have success, the better you're going to become. Everybody
is learning. They're all young, so I wish you didn't
have to have groin pains in football, but you do.
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So what happened against Philadelphia will help them in the
long run. So it seems bad now, but you know,
trust me, if they stay the course and they stay
healthy and you keep drilling the same values into them,
at some point, this defense is going to be top ten,
maybe even beyond.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Rushling integrity, gap integrity especially. I mean that's to your
point about painful lessons earlier. I mean, that's a team
that if you miss one gap or pick the wrong one,
or miss that assignment in some way. They're going to
make you pay in multiple different ways, especially with the
threat that Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley present out of
the backfield. So yeah, there won't be teams that present
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as big of a threat as those two in the
in the same backfield. But still, I mean, if if
you're if you're gonna pick a game where it's like,
you know, knowing your gaps and being gap sound and
rustling sound.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Oh yeah, Omar Spates and Rose Boom had him dead
to rights in the A gap and you're thinking there's
no way he can get from there all the way
out to there. Oh yes, you can, bet bam. So
you learn that's that I've never seen that before. Now
you have. Now you have to guard for it. You
get better.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
DeMarco, do you like cranberry sauce with your turkey? Do
you like the salty sweet combination? Come on, yes, well,
because this is a little bit salty, a little sweet
talking about the run defense. But I got to give
my guy MJD a little love. Last time that somebody
had two touchdowns for over seventy yards in a single
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game before Sunday Night was, in fact, our friend Maurice
Jones drew so shut out that.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Okay, so they I heard that, and they also said
Maurice was really good outside in the cold when he
was a player. What happened to that?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Come on, He's getting bundled up, that's for sure. And lastly,
I'll leave you with this thinking back to Philly. I
love what Sean McVay had to say this week in
regards to his team, saying he's looking forward to learning
about themselves this week and especially down this stretch. How
does that resonate with you as we're heading into the
last few games of the season.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I think that's entirely fair, don't you. I really do
because they say this, and I've been on some teams
obviously before we won the super Bowl and doing this
job that we're out of it before Thanksgiving, like you
were out of the super Bowl race mathematically, and they
always say the same thing, We're going to see who
loves to play football from here. We got seven games ago.
(10:44):
They don't really matter that much as far as super Bowl,
but we're going to see who loves it. Same thing.
You're in the hunt here, thank god, but you are.
You're going to find out a lot about who your
players are, who your coaches are, how do they feel
about this game, and how much do you want to win?
You just got sherlocked on national TV. How are you
going to respond to that? There's only two ways. I
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don't care, or we're gonna never have that happen again.
So we're gonna find out in New Orleans. So I
think that's the exact right tone you want to you know,
hit with this team right now.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
It's about how you respond, right Just like you mentioned
and like McVeagh mentions all the time, I mean, divisions
still very much up for grabs. And you look at
you know, the circumstances of team faced last year and
the way they were able to respond from those adverse
that adverse situation and make a run and end up
getting a wild card birth. So still yeah, still within reach.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I you know, me, us up here, everybody in this room,
We're not going down without a fight. So without a doubt,
we're gonna find out.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, Well, let's dig into it. The NFC West and
where it now stands. We got a little help this
week thanks to the Seahawks and of course the Packers.
The Yuks win over the Cardinals, Packers win over the
forty nine ers. Still within grass this is this is
a wild division right now, Everyone just within one game
of each other could play to our favor and consideration
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as to what's still to come. But what do you
feel like the Rams need to improve upon down the
stretch here to be able to have a chance.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Just one, just one thing, Okay, I think the most
important thing in the room going all the way back
to July. Protect your quarterback. Protect Matthew Stafford. I'll give
this dude credit, and I give him a lot of credit.
I think he's one of the best arm talents I've
ever seen. He's a great leader. He's tough his nails,
but you get to see that toughness on display. That
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shot he took from Brandon Graham right to the face
where you couldn't see it coming, and that would scare
the bags out of anybody he.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Popped right up to the sideline. I noticed it too.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Even if he was hurt, He's not gonna show them
that and give his team that. He's got to be
a leader, so I would rather him not take those shots.
So protecting your quarterback, I think from here on out
has got to be paramount.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Being better on third down for me. You know, this
was something that McVeigh acknowledged post game that you know,
that's an area that they need to better are at.
And you know, until you can start getting into some
of those more manageable down in distances with you know,
being getting ahead of the change on chains on perst
and second down, you know when you are in those
third and lungs, well, trying to avoid those third and
lungs is really you know where it starts. That ties
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into better protection as well. But getting there would solve
quite a few problems.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And don't fumble, Yeah, that would help us. Well, yeah,
a little ball security. We'll get there. We'll get there.
But you know, we were in this situation it doesn't
feel like too long ago. And the Rams winning seven
of their last eight games in the twenty twenty three season,
so things were a little little bit similar. We talk
about building momentum, they have still picked up a significant
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wave of momentum. This Philly team was a tough task
to have to take on. How do you kind of
bridge the gap between winning four or five, taking a loss,
and then all of a sudden still trying to carry
that momentum, when you know the team, you just face.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I think even the best teams go week by week.
So I think this team should go week by day
by day. You're trying to get better incrementally, and it's
all about just building those wins. It could be, you know,
a good practice, It could be not a ball hits
the ground in a certain period of practice. It could
be cleaning up the locker room, could be small things.
But you have to start stacking wins. So when Wednesday,
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when Thursday, win Friday, definitely win on Sunday and then
start again on Monday. I don't think right now any
team is good enough to say we have to win
x amount of the next games to It's not that
you got to win each day, each moment and then
start with Sunday.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Being in the now is a lot more favorable compared
to say, looking ahead and counting the number of games
left and looking at the standings and trying to figure out,
to Cameron's point, like that exact number of that magic number.
So taking a week by week makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I guess the easiest way stay off your phones.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, I know, and Stu we were talking about it.
Just be prior to the show. But the rams potentially
you want to be in the position to control your
own destiny. How do they kind of get there?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah, just exactly what DeMarco was talking about. I mean,
it's really just you know, winning obviously, and and relying
more on yourselves than having to be in a situation
where you're relying more on the help of others, especially
teams in the division, in order to uh, you know,
be in the position you want to be and obviously,
which is reaching the postseason.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, let's start with Alvin Kamara and Taysom Hill and
everybody else there, and then we'll keep going. Then we'll
worry about somebody else. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You talk about staying off your phones just reminded me.
I know somebody who's been staying off their phones. That's
Puka and Akua. By the way, we are in the
NFC West, which is great. I don't know if you
saw that this week.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Well, he he was asked about in his weekly press
conference and he apparently at that moment was when he
found out that we were in the NFC West.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
He's we're in No, that's so brand I love it.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, exactly to who He is.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Just ball catch go love it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Very focused on what's h exactly exactly, Well, let's focus
on what's important coming up this week as we have
the New Orleans Saints on the road, and you guys
already mentioned it. Kamara is a scary task to have
to face, and maybe there is a bright light having
you know, in the sense having had to face Saquon,
maybe there's something we can.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Sure up, no doubt. Yeah, when something bad happens when
you were a kid and your parents found out, that's
the last time that happened, right, Well, the same thing.
So all the mistakes you made or the stuff you
didn't think a running back can do, all that's out
the window. So it just it's gonna make you a
better player. And in my opinion, I think Kamara is
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basically a smaller Saquon. He's a guy that could start
front side and break out the backside seagaps, so it
takes all eleven to stop him, and he's a problem
out of the backfield. And I think New Orleans is
it might be the most tricky offense or the most
intricate because of Taysom Hill and what they can do.
So you have to be laser focused in the meeting room,
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and you have to be even more physical and better
on the field. So it's a tough matchup for this
Rams defense.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well, it's good that you bring up Kamara and Taysom Hill,
especially because with all the injuries they've dealt with that
wide receiver Chrystal Lave being out, especially they're number one.
I mean, they've still been a productive and functional offense
even just having Kamara and Hill available, and so certainly
starts with those guys this week.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Isn't it crazy? We're talking about an NFL offense and
we haven't even mentioned the starting quarterback yet. Well, that's
how crazy it is.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, it's insane. And especially they're currently sitting at four
and seven. They're coming off back to back wins and
a buy leading into this, so they have plenty of
prep time and for us to now kind of prep
in this condensed sense, you're going, where are we even looking?
The first drive versus the Browns for the Saints, Taysom
Hill threw a pass, caught a pass, and a ran
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in for a touchdown. Like he's also in the return game,
he had one of the best performances that I've seen.
How do you go about trying to low a guy
like that down? Where does the pepper preparation even begin?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I think I want to date myself here. But he
is the pro version of Gordy Lockbaum. Anybody ever heard
of him. He's a guy that could do everything. He
just he played every position in college. He was but
he didn't turn out to be a good pro. But
I didn't think that was possible in the professional leagues
and today's NFL or the past. But he is that guy.
I mean, that is so tough to defend. But I
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would say this if I was coordinating, and I think
Chris Shula is going to say something like this to
his guys. Just forget the number and just wherever he
lines up, that's what he is. If he's in the
backfield as a full back, treat him as a fullback.
We're going to go twenty one. If he's out here
at tight end, treat him as a tight end. If
you're always waiting for him to take the snap and
throw it, that's when they kill you. So wherever he
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lines up, that's what he is. Treat him as such,
and then go knock his teeth.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Out, especially on those first and second levels. You'd better
be communicating and getting that back to the secondary as well,
knowing where he is at all times.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, And I watched that game versus Browns, and I'm
sitting there going like if I'm young defender trying to
picture exactly where he's aligning, Like, that's a nightmare to me,
and I would not want to have to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I would just take like I said, take the guesswork
out wherever he is. That's what you are, and this
is what I call to it. But I think the
only he still presents problems when he lines up a
quarterback and they start running the read option. He is
really good at it, and that's how he scored. I
think his first touchdown was running. So he's a problem.
I didn't I thought it was a gimmick. I didn't
think it would last this long. But here we are.
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He's still playing.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
There's no doubt he is still playing. Well, let's turn
to the other side, because you talked about protecting Matthew
Stafford and the Saints, they can actually get after the quarterback.
They had three sacks in each of their last two games.
The good news for the Los Angeles rams Rob Havenstein
potentially back on the offensive line. How much of a
difference can he make?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Darth Vader returns, that's my guy. Yeah, when he walks
down the plane with that bag, doesn't he fill up
the whole aisle. That's just a big dude. So having
him back, the size is going to help. A veteran
presence will definitely help the communication. You have a young center,
so that will definitely you know, it's a benefit having
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him back on the field, but I think it's also psychological.
He's one of your oldest guys. When he's out there,
you want to play your best football to make sure
that you impress him. That's what being a veteran is about.
So having him back should be a lyft for this
football team and you get better. It's one of your
better tackles.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well said, well, we're all about being complimentary on Between
the Horns in terms of keys to victory for this matchup.
As we were flying through this Between the Horns episode,
what needs to take place to pick up the win?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You told me, so I can say, well, you know,
I think to tie in some of the other topics
that we've we've touched on in this conversation starts with
running the ball, especially with where the Saints franks statistically.
We're talking about trying to have more manageable third downs
and taking some of that pressure off of Stafford, helping
the protection. Especially when you look at how this team
(21:05):
got itself out of the circumstances of last season that
I talked about. You look at their numbers. What was
the biggest difference Rushing yards just way up compared to
where it was the first half of the season during
some of those struggles. So you can establish the run
that's going to go a long way to a win
on Sunday, and also, like I said, taking care of
some of those other things.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know, I wouldn't mind seeing that too. And there
are stretches where it seems like Sean McVay goes to
the ground and he stays there and he's trying to
prove a point and it starts to work, and then
he starts to like it. Remember back in the day
when Andrew Whitworth was still here, when he would look
to the sideline and do this, like, let's keep running
the football at him. So you might start to see
some of that. The best way to start over on offense,
(21:48):
especially on offense is if we want to get back
to basics, you start with running the ball because everything
flows off that. Even coach McVeigh says that if you're
running the football, well everything opens up, play action open up.
Your quarterback is better protected. So I am so down
with you. Well said, well said, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
To your point, the Saints rush defense rings twenty fifth
in the NFL. But I want to think too, back
to our run game because I was so hopeful facing
off against Philly. I think back to the first quarter
and kyn he actually had a couple explosives. There was
one for twenty seven yards, another for eleven yards if
I'm correct, obviously before what took place and the turnover.
But I'm going, oh man, we might be able to
(22:28):
find some big chunks, and I'm hoping that's going to
be what takes place in New Orleans. We need it,
whether it's from him or quorum. At this point, what
about you.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Reminded me of like my term papers in college. Great paper,
great ideas forgot to put on the title page. So
it goes from Anata will be so, I mean, some
great runs. But then because he's been awesome before the fumble,
right and he's better after So can we just eliminate
the middle and stay with that? Because who knows? If you,
like you said, if you had a chance to get
(22:58):
ahead of a great team like Philadelphia and keep the
pressure on them, who knows how that turns out. Maybe
they're just better. Uh, but you can put the heat
on them. If you get ahead of teams like New Orleans,
there's no way there's they're coming back, not with the
young pass rushers you have. So I think this team
was designed to be ahead. So if running the football
gets you ahead and can keep your head, then so
(23:19):
be it.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, no doubt. What about a key to victory for you?
You got anything else? You said? You said you had
more than one.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I got one one more. Protect your quarterback, get after
the passer, don't make mistakes, you know, learn from what
just happened. The other thing is special teams, and it's
not picking on a guy, just the entire operation. You
got to make your kicks. Those points matter, especially when
you're in a tight race like this. So and usually
when guys miss you point to one guy and said
he missed. Well, there's a whole operation there, and there's
(23:49):
a lot that we don't know, snap to hole to kick.
So whatever it is, you've got to streamline that. When
you have a chance for three or one, you've got
to get it. So when you're in a tight race,
when you're five and six, every point matters, so you
got to hit those kicks.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I love it. All right?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Well again, yeah episode title.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
By the way, this is what teamwork looks like right here.
All right, Well, those are your keys to victory. Guys.
We said it was gonna be a quick episode. Finally
I got got it done thirty minutes. Thanks story could
be happy, well said, Well said the episode last and final,
I mean Thanksgiving just around the corner, anything to be
(24:32):
thankful for. I feel like this is like my mom
sitting at a dining room.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Table, which you guys, yeah listening intently. I'm gonna go
with Kevin Dotson one because of his play not only
as a past blocker run blocker and what he's meant
to the offensive line this season, but also if you
haven't seen his micd up, please go do yourself a
favor and watch it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Oh yeah, just okay.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
The genuine and authentic joy that this guy plays with
is what makes football fun and and it just every
time I see it, it just brings a smile to my face.
So yeah, for both of the all of those reasons,
I'm thankful for ket I've.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Never seen that guard wear a guardian helmet, so he
must be interesting. I got. I love this, and I
think he's doing it as a fashion statement, not for safety.
But I got to hear that. But you pick Kevin
Dotson to be thankful for Thanksgiving? I like my family,
my friends, all the people that I work with. Yes,
Kevin Dotson, Okay, we'll stick.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I like where you going with this?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, so thankful for the Rams.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I can think of one for you.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Okay, So I got one to be honest, I am
really and we all are. This team is everyone in
Los Angeles thankful that the NFC West is wide open
below five hundred and you still have a shot. We
should all be thankful for that. So that's that's kind
of where Earlene. Yeah. And Kevin Dotson.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And for my friends and family who are Yes, I
am thankful for you having a documented love you.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Mom, Yes, I love you. You know.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I will say the young defensive front because I think
there is a future there for the Los Angeles Rams
and It's one that gives me a ton of hope.
They have just been a pleasant surprise right off the bat,
and they are so fun to watch, so physical, so explosive,
and you know, I'm looking forward to years to come.
All thanks, yes, thanks for joining us on Between the Horns,
(26:18):
presented by your Southern California Toyota Dealer. Of course, the
Rams going on the road to face the Saints for
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