Ep. 213: Keys to victory against the Cardinals & improvement from Rams since Week 2

J.B. Long, D'Marco Farr, and Maurice Jones-Drew talk takeaways from Week 16, the impact of Tyler Higbee's return to the Los Angeles Rams tight end room, playoff-clinching scenarios, keys to victory against the Arizona Cardinals, and more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hope you're enjoying an amazing holiday season. Welcome back to
a fresh new edition of Between the Horns, presented by
your Southern California Toyo to Dealers with Maurice Jones Drew
with DeMarco far I am JB Long. It is the
very best time of year to be in Los Angeles?
Don't you agree?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh my god, yes, it's December. We just said Christmas.
Fantastic Christmas. I hope right, good for me, have it
for you?

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Great for me?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
And we could have worn shirts if we want great
time to be you know what.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm gonna say. I finally started to thaw this morning
in the sixty five degree weather from the seventeen or
whatever it was. It feels like ten whatever was in
New York? Was it in the teens?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
You know what? Game balls for both of you guys.
I knew DeMarco was gonna get one. Well, he had
to brave in that sideline like he did. Got that
high five from Kyron. That was cool. Good eyes by.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Messed up though, what because he stuck his hand out
and I hit his helmet instead of his hand, so
I left him hanging.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
But it was good though.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, it worked race, Jones drew. I mean, we were
on this show last week saying you're not built for
this and having some laughs. But what did you say?
You thugged it out.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I thugged it out for him, man, I didn't look.
JB wanted that window open. He wanted to hear the crowd.
He wanted to feel the elements and all.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Like.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I didn't go to bed until two o'clock in the
morning because I had to really give myself psyched up
back I was playing again. Yeah, and I did. And
then and then you know, I got on that plane
and I went to sleep, and they take everything out
of me. I envy that as soon as we get
on the plane, he's out.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
But was it in the teams because I know I
was super cold, but I didn't I didn't hear the
exact tempt, so.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
A wind chill and it feels like temperature. For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
That was like a bear trap of a game, bro
And for the Rams to fight their way out of
that and to win that game I thought was huge.
I'm not sure what it meant for playoff seating or whatnot,
but to go there and to get a win in
those conditions at that time, of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
You know, I Alreadence didn't like me calling that a
trap game last week, but you agree it was a
potential bear trap.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
It was a trap. I think I definitely I could have.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Done a better job clarifying that you can win trap games.
They're just a matter of your schedule and how they
set up. But that was a professional effort to.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Every trap doesn't snare an animal or it's football team.
You fought your way out of that. That was a
great win for this football team.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah. I don't know if you ever watched those like shows,
the animal shows, when they catch the trap, they catch
like the bear, and then there's always a person that's
gonna come in there and help the bear out. They
gonna put a towel over, And that's kind of what
happened to the Rams, Like first drive, They're like, I'm
stuck my palm right, and then in all of as
a team that some of the other bears just came
over and opened it up.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So he yeah, you thought he was going down the naked.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
In No, no, no, we're not. I'm glad you stopped him.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
The other thing I love about this time you're in
Los Angeles, is you can drive anywhere this week between
Christmas and the new year. No school people aren't working.
There's parts of Los Angeles that you can visit that
you would never think about.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
It took me twenty five minutes to get from Lax
to here.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's nice.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
The best gift for Rams fans had to do that
clean injury right, wasn't not a thing to see on Tuesday.
We know Rob Hagnstein has popped up with a shoulder.
We'll get more details about that here today on Thursday.
But no better place to be than leading the division
and having the guys in the right seats out in front.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, I clean injury report, getting that win, having the
team starting to click. Can we say, where are we
on the road to the best game the Rams have
played this season? I think we're getting closer or maybe
that was it?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
I think it's still out there?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
You think so, okay, there's more points to be had.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
But as far as offense, defense, special teams, not hurting yourself,
digging yourself out of danger, I mean, that was one
of the best performances of the year.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
So that was a Christmas present for me. Yeah, I
felt like the rams. They put themselves in a little
bit of a hole, but they were usually they climbed
out of it quickly. To me, I think that it
starts off with the injury report having no one on
it right at the start of the week and Sean saying, yeah,
other than the normal bumps and bruises, we're clean a lot.

(04:00):
When you look at Arizona's injury report right there's like
twelve dudes on there, you know, And so this time
of the year to have no one really on that report.
You talked about Rob havenstau yet knock on wood, but
to have that means you have guys getting that cohesion
toss again, practicing catching the ball, just getting used to
each other and then yeah, and then coming off with
that type of win is the we always talk about confidence.

(04:21):
This game is about everyone's talented. It's who believes and
who doesn't. And that belief in each other is going
to continue to grow as long as they can stay
as healthy as they can.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
So you touched on some of the elements that will
dig deeper on on this edition between the Horns. Who
want to get your final thoughts on the win in
the Meadowlands. Definitely a deep dive on the matchup with
the Arizona Cardinals, the rematch after like the deepest of
low's probably this season, back in Week two, right, But
should we start with So we're here on a Thursday morning,
there's a big game tonight, as you probably know, Seattle

(04:50):
going to Chicago. Should we run through the clinching scenarios?

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Real? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah? The Rams, as you know, are winners of four
straight two games remain, both of them at home the
Arizona the Cardinals have been eliminated, and then the Seattle
Seahawks are the rams only remaining competition in the division.
Before we get into those scenarios, though, I think a
word on why it's important, because I hear I don't
know if you guys do too a lot of well,
just win them both, keep it simple, win them both.

(05:15):
And I agree, I want to win them both. But
there's tremendous value I think for the Rams, especially when
you talk about that injury report, to be able to
potentially rest starters in Week eighteen. That's why I think
we're so anxious to get it done in Week seventeen
and why these scenarios are worth examining. Do you feel differently, No,
I know some people don't like to rest start as
in Week eighteen, but this coach, this organization, we know

(05:38):
if given the choice, that's what they want to do.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Those same people, are they not believing in trap games?
Those same Okay, I'm just saying it's a little bit.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
I would say this too. Think of how important the
Chiefs get in the one seed was where they played
Patrick Mahomes in two games and five days on a
bum ankle supposedly right when we saw we thought he
was done, and they were like, no, we got to
win these That rest week is so important for the
second season.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
That's kind of Ryan. Would it be nice to sweep Seattle?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Would it be cool to get to eleven wins?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yes, I think it's more fun not to play your
starters against your division, right.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Fair enough? Yeah, we can talk about the three seed too.
I think that would be absolutely beneficial. But I would prefer,
speaking only for myself, to do all those things with
Stetson Bennett throwing his first NFL pass and Jordan Whittington
and Tyler Davis and Emmanuel Forbes and Charles Woods doing
it against the Seattle Seahawks. All right, So two paths.
Depending on when you're watching or listening to this show,

(06:30):
you might already know one of these outcomes. A Seattle
loss to Chicago on Thursday night football is the most
direct path of the Rams, because then win and clinch
Saturday is on the table. For the purposes of this
moment in time, let's assume, maybe wrongly, that Seattle gets
the win tonight. The other scenario is you need a
Rams win over the Cardinals, and at least four wins

(06:52):
by this group of teams all playing at home this weekend.
Cincinnati on Saturday against the Broncos, Washington against the Falcons,
Buffalo against the Jets, Minnesota against the Packers, Cleveland against
the Dolphins. And I'll finish on this one Monday night
San Francisco against the Lions. Which leads me to the question,

(07:13):
could you bring yourself to root for the Niners on
Monday night football? I don't know if that's what it
came down to.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
I don't think you have.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
You were counting on your fingers there, yeah, raise your head.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
I was counting the games. I Detroit I think goes
into San Fran. They may win. San Fran is always
known to like play spoiler they play hard, and that
may happen. But to me, the Dolphins going to Cleveland,
that's a game that I could see Cleveland winning regardless
regardless of who's a quarterback. It's cold. They don't play
well in the cold, right, and yeah, so you have

(07:44):
a you have an issue there. Cincinnati is just rolling
right now. They're they're mowing teams down left and right,
which for the AFC, I know that's scary.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
That's the only one the Rams will know when they
kick off Saturday against the cart.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
And so to me, that you have a chance, it's
there to have to have at least three of those
three of the six happening with the possible fourth. So funny.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
So this is three sides of one football team. So
I would let JB handle the math part. Like you said,
you're trying to go through and parse through. All I
heard is Rams win.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
That's That's all I would be focused on if I'm
coaching or playing, is just the Arizona Cardinals and whoever's next.
If they tell me we're off the next week against Seattle, great,
But all I am focusing on is Kyler Murray and
the Arizona Cardinals and what will be will be, So
it's three sides of the same thing we're talking about.
I think it's smart to keep an eye on what's

(08:37):
going on, but you can't lose sight of what's important.
The first thing you mentioned was Rams win.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
There's no scenario on my sheet where the Rams lose
this weekend. We'll still clinch this week. That's got to
be number one. And I would rather like take care
of this and not have to go to the end
and fight them. Yeah, because what's better than making the
playoffs sending somebody else home, especially your division rival. So
focus on what's the main thing?

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Is the main thing? Beat the Cardinals? Well, I think
they did that last week because I remember last week
was kind of like if you win this game, you lose,
this game doesn't really matter. No, you go out there
and win because now you put yourself in a cleansing
scenario this week, right, So yeah, always take care of
your business first. But for everyone else, for all the
rest of us, I'm looking and I'm counting fingers, and
I got the board up and we're moving, we're sliding

(09:20):
stuff around to figure out how can we rest guys
A week eighteam.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
And just to spell that out, because I know we
just threw a lot of games, some of which are
AFC at our audience, if you haven't really studied at
why do those games matter? It would come down to
strength of victory potentially that fifth tiebreaker, and so to
simplified it as best I can, teams the Rams have beaten,
but the Seahawks have not, you want them to win.
And teams that Seattle has beaten, like the Denver Broncos,

(09:46):
that the Rams have not, you want them to lose.
Rams have a strength of victory margin that you want
to maintain through this weekend.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
That's the count room and they just high level. There.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, one other kind of corrollary that I want to
ask you about, which is the by virtue of winning
last week in New York and Tampa Bay losing in Dallas.
They're not the three seed. Does the three seed potentially
holding on to it in these next two weeks matter
to you or is it just the division in the
home game that you care about.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
You know, when I saw that on the sheet, I
wouldn't look. I don't care, wild card for one seed, whatever,
just get in.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
But I looked.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I didn't know the three seed was dare I say curse?
Did you guys know that, like three seeds get knocked
out by six seeds more often than not or whatever?

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I mean, Like I think the five to twelve game
in the NCAA tournament or something.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
There's there's something about three seeds, especially in the last
five or six seeds like Green Bay. Yeah, but I
don't care where you're seeded, just get in the dance.
But I heard the three seed is cursed. I thought
you guys might know that too.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
No, yeah, it happens a little bit to me. To me,
if you're the Rams, it really doesn't matter where you
get in. But I always want to go and be
the highest seed I can, right, Like, it is what
it is, unless unless you can match up and be
the four seed, and you could play a team maybe
the Vikings, right that you've already beaten, that you're you know,
you have a better understanding for. But even then, the
Vikings could be the one seed. You could be the

(11:07):
four seed and run into Detroit. Yeah right, So you
you just don't know what may happen in this situation.
To me, you always fight to be the highest seed
you always can, and then you just figure it out.
From there, right, Yeah, if you catch a hot team,
you catch a hot team, but you're a hot team
as well.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's not an Olympic badminton where you try to pick
your favorable match No, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
No, that was my next question. Do you have any
preferred playoff matchups? But you're saying you can't control that
between now and then.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Anyway, the only thing I would prefer is that I
play them at home.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Well to that point, then I think the three seed
does have value because if you do catch an upset,
you might have the right to host a second playoff game.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
If I can keep my team here, great, That's the
only thing I'd be gunning for now. If you told
me we need this one or we don't because of that,
I may listen, But I'm with you. I try to
go for the highest seeding. I don't care who we
match up against. But if I could keep everything at
home and do that chess wise, I would do that.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
It's so funny though, remember when the twenty twenty one
when the Rams won and they were the four seed.
You beat Arizona, you go to Tampa, you win at Tampa,
and it was like all right, like looks like we
may have to go to Green Bay and then the
Niners pull that one out, and then you get a
home NFC championship game. You, like you said, you always
want to go for the highest seed just because to me,

(12:20):
you just never know.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Last year, you remember being in Detroit and watching Green
Bay go put it on Dallas, and you're thinking, Okay,
this this reshapes the thinking in the NFC. I think
there's at least muddy as much firepower in the five, six,
seven seeds that are shaping up in the NFC this year,
don't you.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Oh my gosh, Like you're talking about Washington. They don't
even know. They're young, They have no idea they're young.
Bobby Wagner is like he's over here breaking up fights
and young guys going. It's like, what is going on?
They're flying around for them to beat Philly the way
they beat Philly, and I know that Philly didn't have
Jaalen Hurts, but to go toe to toe with them
and find a way to win that game. And now
you're the seventh seed.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, Like, let me step out of la for one second.
I'm not shocked by the commanders at all. And it's
not because of the quarterback it's because of their coach, as.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
You gonna say it, because of ownership, that the whole organization.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Everything's changed, but him in particular. Yeah, I'm not surprised
they're in the mix at the end.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Let me ask another question week eighteen and we're assuming
nothing here, But if Week eighteen becomes quote unquote meaningless
in terms of win loss for the Rams, what do
you need to see Saturday night at Sofi Stadium to
know that the Rams are ready for wild Card weekend?
Said another way, Okay, if this Saturday Night is the
last regular season game that we see Matthew Stafford play

(13:33):
this season, Pukinakua, Cooper Cup, Kiren Williams, et cetera, what
do you need to walk out of so Fi feeling
to know that the Rams are going to be dangerous
in the playoffs?

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Well?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I saw something. It's I don't know if we're going
to use video on this this this episode, but there
was a play. It's the top of the second quarter
in New York. This is after Aaron Rodgers had ground
out the first quarter, right, So this is Stafford's second possession.
It's a third and seven and they are backed up.
The Rams are so This is the Jets moment, and
they're what seventh rank defense, they can rush the passers.

(14:03):
This is where they go win the football game on
a third and seven obvious passing down. So they give
you that exotic five look where they have a guy
standing in that Micah Parsons position. They're going to attack
bow Lumbert. At the last minute, the safety comes up,
so it's gonna be six on six. Kyron's in the
backfield snap of the football, they go hat on the hat,
they pick everybody up. Limber gets a piece and then

(14:25):
redirects and gets him again, and Kyron Williams picks up
that blitzer like that and before they even know what
the ball was out to two round a great route,
great execution, picked up the first down. That to me
says they're clicking. Everybody's on the same page. There's no panic,
he's delivering the football. So if I see more stuff
like that, regardless of how many points you score or

(14:46):
what happens at the end of that drive, I know
that offense is ready for the next step when you're
all on the same page and you're executing.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
So you saw some of that in New York. If
you see more of that versus Arizona and you win
the game. I'm good. It's funny you say that because
I remember. I remember that exact moment how it's feeling.
I was nervous because I was like, oh no, you're
backed up, backed up. You got to get this first
down like they're going to they're pinning their ears back
and then two to Adwall's wide open. Give them the ball.

(15:14):
Makes a guy miss first down, like little things like that. Yes,
I will say there was another play. It was later
in the second half. Kyron came up and picked up
a blitz. I don't know what the row was for,
but it was the thing about picking up the blitz
is when the o lineman there is no second guessing
and you know exactly who you have, it makes it

(15:34):
easier for the running back to pick up, to create
that pocket, and it's easier for the quarterback to go.
If you remember earlier in the year, guys were like
half touching a guy and sliding off, or guys are
coming free. Yeah, and to me that you're exactly right.
For me personally, it would be I'm looking more in
the kicking game. I think for the rams to really
be six, So I know offensive defense are doing a

(15:55):
great job. They have to start winning special teams a
little bit cleaner. And I love the the play with
Winnington at the end of the game to secure that.
I thought Evans did a great job of putting the ball.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
It put went down for the one yard line. Unfortunately
it went ninety nine in the other direction.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
But he still yeah. Like to me, you have to
win those games. If you watch Christmas, the Baltimore Ravens
dominated every facet of that game. It wasn't a play
where they didn't have a phase of the game where
they didn't have success. And to me, that is where
if the Rams want to compete in that championship game,
all three phases have to impact the game in a

(16:30):
way that the way they did against the Jets. They
have to do that and continue to be consistent.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I'm looking for a dominant first quarter. I continue to
feel stressed that the Rams lived dangerously by not putting
up points in the first quarter, not getting off the
field early enough, and allowing a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers
to shorten that game on you. It's not just in
the first quarter. I mean there was nearly an hour
of real time between the second and the third between

(16:54):
when the Rams got touches on the football. But I
think it all starts on that first opportunity, either on
offense to finish that drive and go up early, or
on defense to tackle better in space, to rally up
to the check down to get off the field.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
They started faster. Wasn't it three and out this time? No?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I know, but I'm saying there's a big difference between
even punting down to the one yard line versus grabbing
a seven zero lead. I think there's a great opportunity
to because it's Kyler Murray this week, to feel really
good about handling an elusive quarterback too, because if you
are going to where you want to go in this
NFC playoff picture, there's almost no path to it without

(17:31):
solving for that. And I'm really excited to see how
much progress this defense is made in that regard.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Everybody's moving and this is weird, just as just looking
at Arizona for a hot minute and thinking about their future.
So it seems like Kyler is settling into a more
of a passer role and letting John Connor do the legwork.
I know he's he's banged up right now, but that
could be a mistake for them. But I am so
with you from here.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
On out talking about the terminator, James Connor, I did
not say, James Connor. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I don't even correct you when you do that because
I think that's perfect.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
You know what I mean. I just want to make
sure because that's how he's running.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
But he is, he's a monster, but he's more settling
into like a pocket passer role. Okay, that's what you
want to do, find so be it. But from here
on out, every quarterback is mobile. Every quarterback's a threat.
Even Aaron Rodgers with in his advanced age, was a
threat running the football, and you have you've had problems
with that. So Kyler's not running like he did in

(18:27):
Week two, right, but there's always a chance he could
turn that on. So I think you have to guard
against that for this week, this Saturday, and get ready
for what's coming down the road.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Before we go deeper into the Arizona Cardinals. One other
thing from New York that I know we all want
to touch on, and that is the return of Tyler Higbee. Like,
take me inside that emotional moment for an organization, for
a locker room to have one of your captain caliber
players return to the field after eleven months of rehab
and pay that off with a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
I had a similar situation. We had a guy, Chris
Naoli who was cut and then we brought him back
and like it was exciting in practice and all this stuff,
and then he broke his hand and during warm ups
and it was it collapsed, Like we collapsed at that point,
like we were done for the year, just because like
you had all that energy. So I know what it's

(19:16):
like to have a guy battle back right off of injury.
I think he towards quad first, his quad did and
they let him go. He can battle back. But to
have Tyler Higbee all those surgeries come back, You see
him on the side working out, you're talking to him,
and then to get him in the game, to start
the game with him, you could see kind of how
it was like everybody was feeling good, and then to
see him score a touchdown was like to me, like

(19:37):
little things like that are stepping stones for that team
to keep playing at a high level.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
They see him break down the after the game and
all that stuff, like they love him and what he
brings to the game. This year just fantastic and I
did play. Note Naoli, He's on the short list of
guys that have kicked my ass. He's a tough guy.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
He was good. Oh my god, he was good.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
But seeing Higgs come back and see in the emotion
and before that, seeing how much his face when he
wasn't allowed to play, he wasn't healthy enough to play,
you could tell he wanted to. And then now he's
in pads and he was damn near glowing before the game.
So I didn't think he was going to score, but
I knew there was going to be a train wreck

(20:17):
at the end of that first reception somewhere, And yeah,
the reaction of the team and the coaching staff when
he did score. He means a lot to this offense.
He means a lot to this football teams. So to
have him back, to see him score was huge. We
have been looking for a spark, a thing that could
just galvanize this football team. It could be that because

(20:38):
I haven't seen any play or a player that brought
everybody to the sideline or off the sideline when he scored.
So having him back was huge for this football ta.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Remember in the first month of the year when we
were talking about guys were just being asked to do
a little bit too much like reserves were asked to
be starters. Starters were asked to be stars. I feel
like that could be happening right now in the tight
end riom. And what I mean by that is Tyler
might be the best receiving and blocking tight end on
the roster, but using him in conjunction with Hunter Long

(21:07):
looked really good. Using him in conjunction with Kobe Parkinson,
I think stresses a defense differently than when you're just
living out of eleven without Tyler Higby? Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (21:17):
I completely agree? You have You got to think about it.
Higby was six to six. You have him in six seven,
stretching the field vertical. That's that's tough for anybody to
go and get. Who do you stop on the top
of having Pookinnakua and Cooper Cup on the outside with
Kyra in the backfield, it just makes you more of
a versatile offense, right because now we saw it, David
Allen got in for a play and now guys are
just moving in. How do you play all these different

(21:39):
sets in formations with these different personnels, and not only
different personnels, now it was different people in He like,
now there's a Mark slide leak. Yeah, yeah, Now it's
DeMarcus Robinson. Now it's this like, now you have to
you're forcing the decordinator stay up late at night to say, well,
this is what they like to do with this guy,
and this is what they like to do with this guy,
and maybe we have to call like each each play.
And it's so funny because I just got off the

(22:00):
phone last night with my buddy who coaches defense. He
was like, depending on the personnel and the people in
that personnel depends on the play call that I'm going
to have. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah right. So if
it's eleven personnel with DeMarcus Robinson and Tyler Higby's a
different eleven personnel with two two out well and Kobe Parkerson.
That's a different play call for them.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well I got this defensively right, it's eleven personnel, and
I got Pooka on the move and Cooper over here,
so I got a lot of attention here.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Now what you just saw on film is I got.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
To worry about backside too, exactly, because if we're short
handed or we leave this guy one on one, it
used to be with, we're comfortable going against Rams tight
ends one on one.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Now this guy's a problem. Yeah, you spread the entire defense.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
So, like I said, huge for this offense having him back,
because I agree I hands down he's the best tight
end you have.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
I think he just proved that.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
So that creates problem defensively, and he's also giving you
a lift emotionally. He's one of your leaders, coming back
to the field when you need him the most.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
But you're saying the Rams are better in eleven and
they're better in twelve.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Twelve, Yes, he just he adds, and don't expect thirteen.
You'll see some thirteen. You're gonna see a lot of
different things coming at you because of their ability to
catch the ball and block.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I know that illegal shift on Hunter was frustrating, but
it doesn't negate the fact that that play hit Oh
oh no big time.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah. Yeah, frustrating, But at the end of the day,
like you know, you have again, there's just different guys
that can do different things. Like I'm literally talking to
this My friend was like, how do you he goes,
I have to have play calls for like eleven personnel,
Higbee eleven personnel to too at well, so now this
is just you can't just be like Cover three like

(23:37):
they were. Another part is think about when you're talking
about when the Rams had all the different reserves playing,
you can just go out there and call whatever coverage
you wanted because you felt like you had an advantage.
Now you have to be specific in what you do,
which puts more pressure on you as a coach, but
more pressure on your players to execute because it's depending
on where guys are and the motions and the shifts.
It's gonna be tough.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
To your point about the illegal motion on Hunter Long,
I don't think that helped to play pop That play popped.
He just yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a hell of
a run play and great blocking up front.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I'm just saying some people might be listening saying, why
are they talking about Hunter Long?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
That was? That was No.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I think I think he's really emerged as a second
tight end or a complimentary tight end in recent weeks,
especially with respect to the running game.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah yeah, but just you know, on the launch time, two.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Elements to this game with the Cardinals, and we'll get
to where the Cardinals are in week seventeen in just
a second. But let's rewind time to week two. I
want your recollections of that loss and what bearing, if any,
it has on what we're about to see Saturday.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, so I'm sure we've both been through this. We've
been on teams that weren't so good and teams that
were very good. Right, So we've matched up against the
opposite on game day, and every now and then you
get a perfect storm. I think Arizona was clicking that
day because that was their best day by far, And
I think as much as they were clicking, the Rams weren't.

(24:56):
And you both met in Arizona and it just looked
the way it looked. I don't think they're forty one
points better than you. I think that just happened way
back then. So the team that the Cardinals will see
this Saturday is not the team they played in September
at all.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
So well, yeah, for sure, because you had half the
team was on ir right, Trey White was here, which
he's not here anymore, and he was playing tight coverage
on Marvin Harrison. You're being nice. I mean he was
on on that first touchdown, he was on them the
second one. But what I will say this, watching the
hard knocks with the AMC North and them talk about

(25:34):
certain rules for certain quarterbacks. You have to have Kyler rules, right.
Kyler rules are you want to be a passer awesome,
that's what we want you to be. Stay in the pocket,
make them throw through the trees. When the Rams have
been successful, they've always found a way to keep them
in the pocket. They didn't do stunts. They just collapsed
the pocket on them, and then Aaron would always puncture
and go through. Well, you have four guys that can

(25:55):
pretty much puncture the pocket, so you don't need a
stunt and do all though. You don't need to blitz staying.
Let those those guys rush and cover right, and that's
when the Rams have been best. Defensively. The other thing
is is when you get a chance to hit him,
you have to try to go hit him, which makes
him slide.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
He gets a little flustered. Against some coups, we have
to have Kyler rules defensively. Some problem, no one gets
to hit him.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Let me push back and let me play Devil's after.
I completely understand and agree with what you're saying. But
this guy had a perfect passer rating against the Rams
in week two. Why would you want to let him
beat you from the pocket the.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Same way because I know, because I know what it's
like when he gets outside. Yeah, yea, yeah, it's like
it's like Aaron Rodgers where we had the conversation last
week about like, look like you don't want Aaron on
the move because he's When he's on the move, it's deadly,
it's scary. And that's what he was when when the
Rams kept him in the pocket. Even though it sounds crazy,
it's the same with Josh Allen. All these quarterbacks keep
him in the pocket because at least you know where

(26:45):
they are and you have eyes on them. Once they
get out of the pocket and now you're chasing, that's
when your coverage gets a little wonky.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
So I would add this right part of Mike Kyler
rules is if he's going to scramble and he's going
to the guy is like you said, we all love
his talent, appreciate his talent, but if he and he's
gonna break contain at some point. But if he does,
and this is an edge rusher's game, you have to
make him go up the field and stay between the
hashmarks so you can get a shout out exactly I
think he's one of the hardest quarterbacks to hit period.

(27:14):
When he's in the pocket, he just doesn't get hit.
And the guy can absolutely flat move. So I would say,
if he does scramble, make him pay for it. And
if he's a pocket passer, like I said, make him
throw from a hole from the pocket.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Because he's not that tall exactly. That's just to get
the ball out. So but it's easier said than done
to keep that little hamster guy in the cage. It's tough.
I would say. I remember a couple of years ago
when the Rams lost the Cardinals at home and Raheem
Morris was doing all these blitzes and stunting and trying
to get him on the move. And I understand that,
like you're like, we're gonna do this, We're gonna have

(27:47):
a guy waiting on him. Yeah, but Kyler Murray runs
a four two forty, Like there's no one on your
defense that's gonna run with this young man. So that's
why I get. That's why I say keep him in
the pocket. The other part I say keep him in
the pocket, I mean he has to go to Russians.
And if you watch Kyler Murray, he doesn't really go
through progressions. It's one two and the balls out or
one two and he's taken off right, and so force

(28:09):
him to have to sit in that pocket, feel those
linemen around him, all those different things, and then that
helps on the other side of it. Though, I'll say,
and we've said this before, it was supposed to be
a tight ends game against Arizona and it wasn't a
tight ends game against Arizona. And I think that's part
of your Arizona rules is that it's time for your
tight end. They have to step up in this game

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in order to make plays. Granted you didn't have Puka
Nakupa and Cooper Cup got hurt in that game. But
if your tight ends get going, like we talked what
we just kind of talked about, all of a sudden,
now those linebackers have to cover. They can't fit in
that run game. They have to worry about a tight
end going to the flat, or they have to second
guests a little bit. They have to start guessing. They
can't focus on their keys. And so to me, when

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you play the Arizona Cardinals over the last couple of years,
and we've always talked about this and granted, I'm in
the Fantasy Championship, so may I may figure it out,
but it has to be a tight ends game for
the Rams win when they've always won. It's been a
tight ends game against the Cardinals, and then they've kept
Connor in the pocket. Those are two things I remember
more than anything. I know. C. J. Anderson ran well,
but it was still a tight ends game. And so

(29:13):
if your tight ends get going, you have success.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I literally forgot until this moment how much you love
Tyler Higbee against the Arizona car level.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
He's still out there too. I may go get him,
but we'll see.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Do you have James Connor? No, all right, we'll see
about him running back. Michael Carter might get a lot
of carries. If Connor and Trey Benson don't play, we
shall see You've got both. Done a great job laying
out a lot of the similarities and differences. Let me
just fill in some blanks, because for those of us
who don't remember, Warren McLendon and Jonah Jackson started on
the offensive line that day. Alaret Jackson and Steve Avila

(29:46):
will start on Saturday. I think Kay Dot's a different player.
Kevin Dotson in September versus where he is right the
right side, completely different.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
I think he's I think because of Haven style, he's
so much more comfortable there. And then with Bo, those
two guys made him comfortable. Yeah, and now you're seeing
the version of him that you want to see.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
You said. Puka did not play that day. Of course,
Cooper was injured before the half on the defensive side
of the football. Not only was Darius Williams on injury
reserve for that first month. He'll play this weekend. Keller
Witherspoon had not been signed to the active roster, and
I think he's had two really good weeks against the
Niners and the Jets, and Cam Kinchen's only played nine snaps.
I don't think we've probably talked enough about the way

(30:25):
he's grown into his rookie role.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Big hit, yeah, mat big hits. It's funny.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
This football team's This football team here grows safeties, they
really do. Safeties come in and they get better and
they become solid pros. Either you keep them or they don't.
I think he's on that same career path. I mean,
from moment one he's got nothing but better to where
you can't even say he's a rookie anymore, the way
he's playing.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
And then last thing about this particular portion of the
conversation before we went on the air with this edition
between the Horns, there was a great argument going on
between these two that I want to rekindle here ar
how I'll bubble it up. One of the biggest differences
I went back and looked at is that day against
the cardinalson Week two, Jared Verse miss four tackles. Yeah,
it was like, okay, Wow, this guy's got the juice,
but it needs to be refined. He's missed five tackles

(31:12):
in the rams last six games. I think Jared Verse
is a much different player at this stage of the season.
You guys go ahead and help.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Oh, I totally.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I mean, so when I saw the rundown, how is
this defense or how's how are the Rams different? So
I go back and watch some New Orleans, I go
back and watch some New England. I go back and
watch Buffalo Jets on and then flip quickly back to
week two. It's night and day difference. Like you said,
the names on the jerseys, some of them are different.

(31:39):
There's some alignment switches, but that in particular they're still
feeling each other out. This was his what second game
as a pro. He's still learning so and they're learning him. Oh,
this dude is a menace. So if I'm on the
backside of Jared Verse, I want to make sure I
cast a wide net because he is going to win.

(32:00):
The last thing I want to do is waste a
good rush and let him out the back door. So
yet they're learning, he's learning. Same with with with Kinchins.
They're not rookies anymore. These these are season pros. So
I think they've learned to play with him, and I
think he's learned how to be a better pro. You
can't let sacks and tackles go by, you can't.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Miss You've got to make those with the disagreement that
we had, or the debate that we had, was that
against the Jets, the Rams would crash those tackles into
Aaron Rodgers and then right when they get there, they
would stop and try to jump and like try to
grab them. My concern and my question is DeMarco, why
not just run the tackle into the quarterback?

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Don't look at me.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
If you want to take every carry to the house,
then every time trying to stop me.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
That's one on Like, if you have a guard, there's
a dude that gets paid to block me, and I'm
bullying him.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
You think it's gonna be that easy? Just if you
got them on cases, run him into the quarterback. I've
seen him do it before. Yeh.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Here's part of the reason why it's relevant this week.
Paris Johnson left tackle, Jona Williams right tackle. They've already
been ruled out for the Cardinals. So this is a
big edge rush game for all the reasons. Because you're
facing back us and because you get a second swing.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I don't want you to win. I don't want you
to win like outside, because you're giving him away to
step up. Yeah. Right, So you have to penetrate the
pocket inside. And that's what I was saying. If if
if Jared verse with his boris, which I love and
I love it. I love that. I love that. Yeah,
why not just run him into Kyler like you did
in Florida State. He did that a bunch of times

(33:31):
at Florida State.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Just run those guys right into you take a delay handoff,
then you need to go ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I listen.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
If I'm just saying, I'm just telling you if all
guys are blocked, yeah, yeah, no, But I'm right there
with you. But this is what going back to, like
the first segment when you were facing mobile quarterbacks, it's
something you have to do. You have to take some
smoke off if you are going power. You got to
make sure that guy doesn't get out.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Okay. At the same it's kind of like Philly when
he ran through the left tack.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Kind and he kind of gotta be smart. So, like
I told you, this is how we started this. If
I'm Jared Versu in the off season, I would pitch
a tent in front of Aaron Donald's house and just
pray he teaches me that wisdom because there's some stuff
that goes beyond coaching. They can help you, and they're
great coaches, but this is one of the all time
greats and you've got like all time great ingredients. Somebody's

(34:19):
gonna help you bring that together. It might be him,
you know.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Mike Hoyight told me earlier this week that Aaron was
here a couple of weeks ago working out, So you
might not have to go to his house. He might
come to his wisdom here because not to come out
of retirement and ployees to work out and influence the right.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Well, when you talk about versus power, rush, I kid
you not. He's got some unnatural powers. Like when it's
short area from six inches away, he goes to one
thousand miles an hour and he affects that blocker, they
jump backwards. If you can teach off that and learn
stuff off that, you might be unblockable.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Well, I was going to tell you too, uh Fashanu,
Like it wasn't the injury that he had wasn't just
because he got hit or rolled up. It was he
had been putting pressure on that ankle. Well every time
you want again, trying to like hold up and eventually
he just got caught, right J I think he's hurt
a few tackles, Yeah, more than a few. Yes.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I want to bring this back to you know, unanimous
consent and agreements, and I think one thing we can
all agree on is our larger point there in that
segment is that the week seventeen Rams would potentially blow
out the Week two Rams in a way that the
Arizona Cardinals did. Right, So, looking forward to a revenge opportunity,
I'm curious about one more thing in this matchup before
we get to keys at the game. I would love

(35:31):
to see and I think you would to the Rams
going into the postseason. Should they be fortunate enough to
win Humming on all cylinders, especially getting some explosiveness back
in their offense. Right, But in terms of winning this
game Saturday, are you looking for chunk plays over the top,
or do you want to keep winning with the power
running game that's taken him through the last couple of

(35:51):
weeks on the road in bad weather. Here here's why
I'm asking. The Cardinals just gave up two forty three
rushing Yeah, highest total this season, one fifty two to Hubbard,
including the walk off in overtime. So are you seeing
that saying hey, we've got this blueprint, let's just lean
right into it. Or do you want to see Stafford
back in a climate controlled environment slinging it?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Oh? You asking me.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
To me?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
I want the Rams to do what the Rams do, right.
They take shots, they play it, but they're gonna they
become a run first team. And I want to see
you run the football downhill. I would love to see
you run the football more than you throw the football.
That means you're you have control of the game you
have the the way the game playing is to your favor.
But I would love to see shots down the field.

(36:37):
I've always called for two two at well going down
the field. I'd love to see. To be honest, I
love to see you get guys in space. I think
part of your power running game is a screen to
Pooka Nakua. All right, hitched it. That's part of your
power running game too. That's what I would clarify it.
Anything under five yards of Pooka to me is a
run play.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Because we said that in New York. That basically what
the Rams have put on tape is that if you
want to beat them, you're gonna have to tackle Pukin
Nakua ten twelve times in the field of.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
That's their power.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
That's the starting point.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, enjoy that. That's their biggest guy. It's it's it's
like the Buffalo Bills. They have Josh Allen. That's your
biggest running back. So when they get in the red
zone one of those three plays before they kick a
field goal, you're gonna have to tackle him.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Demark. And the truth of the matter is this is
just you know, a sake of the show question because
it's not a zero sum game. On offense, you can
do both, and in fact, the way the Rams are
running the ball, if Stafford can get a grip on
the football and get the pass protection, the explosive should
come right with it.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
You know where I'm going. I think you're closer to
being a more physical brand of football like I think, Okay,
because of Sean mcvay's history, Matthew Stafford, Pokinakua, Cooper Cup,
all that stuff. We're expecting thirty five points, some sort
of offensive explosion, and I would love to see explosive.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see that.
But you got to give me a who and how

(37:50):
in this offense. Who and how is going to be
that guy explosive? So what I think you are right
now is a team that runs the ball and you
run it well. So this Saturday, I would not be
surprised if you see Kyron and more Kyron and Kyron again,
and more Kiren and little Blake.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
And then and Blake too.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
I do want to see Blake get ten touches in
his first NFL touchdown before yeah before this weekend.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Run run, run, set up, play action, the run becomes
the lead punch and the pass is the counter.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
So the defense will tell you when it's time to
take your explosive opportunity.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Because I think if if you're doing with this offensive
line is getting ready to start doing and is dominating
up front, and you're smart in pass protection and Kyron
is chipping away at you and you can stay with that,
I think they will.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I think it's eventually it's going to be time for
two to out well, to go seventy. I think it's there.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
So let me ask you, because I'm I woke up
thinking the same thing, like I want a down there
somewhere shot to to to out well. Do you want
that on tape this week against the Cardinals heading to
the postseason or you want that in your back pocket?
Or does it matter?

Speaker 3 (38:55):
I don't think it matters because the way you're running
football right now, they're going to have to put eight
guys in the box, okay, right. And what I love,
what I love about all the run game is that
it all looks the same again. It's starting to it's
starting to all look the same. The play action, pass,
the bootleg, the run. It's all started to look the same. Guys,
are you have four or Five plays off of the

(39:15):
same motion and shift, which again causes confusion. I just
know whenever the Rams need a big play, or they
need a chunk play, or they need a game clinching play,
it's Five that shows up consistently. Against the Buffalo Bills.
Five showed up on a deep end route against the
Chicago Bears early in that first half. Five was showing

(39:38):
up consistently, like he just shows up game after game
after game. It's time to reward him with a nice touchdown,
because again he's he's when everyone's focused on everybody else,
he's the one that's creating separation.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
I was just reminded of something you said last week
to Marco, which was going to New York knowing it
was going to be tough weather and knowing that you
had two division games that are gotta have its on
the back side of that, these said you wanted to
see the Rams win with their grit, their temperament, not
necessarily their playbook. You're kind of saying, like, hold back
your best stuff for Arizona and Seattle. Do you feel

(40:10):
like they got that done? I do feel like that's
how they won.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I do they slugged it out. I don't think they.
I don't think they really told his hand or you know.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I forgot that. That's what you were hoping for flying
in the Metal Land, and they got it.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
And I think you can kind of open that up
against Arizona depending on what happens tonight with Seattle mm hm.
You may pull out all the stops versus Arizona, or
you may have to. But there's gonna be some stuff
you don't see, like some red zone stuff that you
probably won't want to give away until you need to
really have it unless you need to use it on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
But yeah, I'm with you on the deep shots with
two too.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
I would love or DeMarcus or anybody down the field
just pick your shots, because to get the ball down
the field, he's got to stand back there and hold it.
And that's the one thing. And the O line and
the play calling and the execution has been great. There's
been no sacks allowed, but you've also avoided those situations
where he's got to stand back there and hold it.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Who's the kid that had all the sacks a week too?
He's on IR right for the oh guys deck, He's
on IR.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he only had three sacks that game. Yeah,
he played seven.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
I'm but that was different. May have a little bit
of time then because the way he was going and
there was crazy.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
What do we give Aleric Jackson? Do we comeback player
of the Year or most important? Because we haven't said
his name.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
I've said it. Me and Jab had a conversation.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Not a lot is auditioning to be his agent.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Dude, listen, for whatever reason, when he's out there, that
side is protected. I told you against the Niners. I
knew it was something because all week in the pregame,
in the National Meedia, I was like, Yo, Larry Jackson
versus Bosa blah blah blah blah blah, and Bosa goes
to the other side. You want him?

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, did want none of that. So to me, I
would love to have been with Jackson during that Week
two game. And I hope this hurts. I hope it's
killing you to see what's happening without you. But yeah,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Yeah, Yeah, he's played like it's yes.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Credit to him, all right. I feel like we've shown
all of our cards, but let's finish with one key
to the game each Maybe as we anticipate Arizona Saturday night,
stressing Saturday night at SOFI Stadium. Hope you can join us.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Is Connor going to play? You got banged up? Thirty
one snaps? I don't know. He was bawling before he
got hurt.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
So if he's having a career year, if he does play.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Okay Alsome he's there. If he's going to play him.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
They seem to be hiding behind the run game right now,
and they're pounding defenses, or at least they tried with Carolina,
so that seems to be their lead punch stop six,
work your way to Kyler win the football game that way.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Man. We have to talk about Marvin Harrison junior.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
H Yeah, yeah, it's on my list. You take it.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Oh, you go ahead.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
I won thirty and two touchdowns, both of those season highs.
The word out of the desert right now is that
his inability to win fifty to fifty balls is the
new red flag. Remember week two, it is like, oh,
his GPS speed didn't look like a first round pick.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
You know what that means? They're gonna be throwing fifty
fifth two things. One, I think Kyroen has to continue
the run the way he's running. That is very important
that his physical nature running through guys still control your
your emotions, so he can't throw the ball. The guy
get the fifteen yarder. But the way he's running is huge.
It's it's it gives your team your offensive physicality, right

(43:23):
like the rams have always been known as like a
outside zone team play action, pass flash, but not physical.
And then over this last couple of years, he's became
the physical punch that you've needed. And to me, he
has to continue running. Away's running the last. The other
thing is gonna be you have to get If you
get to Kyler, you have to get him down. We
can't have too many more whiffs anymore. And that's gonna
be again. I believe that's gonna be a Kobe Turner

(43:45):
and Braydon Fisk. That's what I believe is going to be.
Even with those tackles out, I think that in order
to get Kyler, the only way I've seen Kyler get
got is from puncturing the pocket inside.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Well, if he knows his tackles are oute, isn't he
going to be thinking and I got to step up
and escape or dump it fast.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, And you sat right into those who was one
of the fastest winning, if not the fastest winning defensive
lineman in the game today. So if you can win quick,
you're gonna get pressure right away, which is going to
force them to go outside. So those two guys have
to have a Kobe.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Turner kingpin and Kobe against Kyle.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Another guy that should be in the tent with Verse
in front of Aaron's house. Teach me Edis.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I'll take your cue about this being a tight end game.
I'll just talk about the other tight end. Trey McBride's
had a year ninety two for nine to fifty eight
but no touchdowns, tied for the most catches before a
touchdown in a season in league history. Don't don't let
them in. Don't let the guy.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah, that's weird. That's like the longest non scoring run,
you know what I mean. That's like, Yeah, that's kind
of like it. That's like you're leading pressures but got
no sacks.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yes, looking forward to seeing you guys on Saturday. I
may not see you next week though we may not
see you next week. Well, if these guys clinch, I
can't be.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Here next week, you'll be here next week. Nah.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
I remember that time where I said if there was
and starters in week eighteen, I gotta eat chocolate on
this show.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Where's the chocolate?

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I might be calling in sick next week.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
No, you're coming. Yeah, you gonna eat chocolate, right, get you? Yeah,
we'll get you a milk chocolate were kit cat? Kit
cats are good like them?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
May be a champagne problem chocolate, but if I dodge next.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Week, No, what, you're a deli you'll eat it all right.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
For Maurice Jones Drew DeMarco far I'm JB. Loong. Once again,
it's a Saturday night prime time showdown against the Arizona Cardinals.
Hope you can join us in person in Inglewood. As always,
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