J.B. Long, D'Marco Farr, and Maurice Jones-Drew get together for the first time this offseason to talk free agency moves, wide receiver Cooper Kupp’s departure, the impact of Davante Adams in this receiving corps, competition in the NFC West, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Well, good to see everyone. Welcome back to Between the Horns,
presented by your Southern California Toyo the Dealers. It is
the first day of spring. Thank you for taking a
break from your brackets to check in and catch up
with Maurice Jones, Drew and to Marco far Is.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It the first day of spring? I didn't know that.
I have no idea what time of year it is?
Free agency though.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, how are you guys?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I just feet out that March madness was going on. Wow,
good to see you guys. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Man, it's so happy to be back. It's it's fun.
It's great. Glad Nine's back in the building.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, I loved you on Good Morning Football.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Fun, so much fun. I was getting dressed right in
front of his locker every single day. Absolutely. You had
a great story too about seventy five, which is awesome,
great storytelling. Yeah, yeah, that was awesome watching.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Are those mornings though?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Alarm kind of harsh but fun. You get used to
it though. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The car ride in and they set me a car
to pick me up home. Yeah, I got you, oh
big time. Yeah, I missed those rights.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
You know, this is all just a ruse. We're not
really doing a show today. We've all just gathered to
celebrate the fortieth birthday of Maurice Jones.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh look at your yes, thank you, Happy birthday the club. Wow.
You know back was hurting yesterday. Yeah, I got a
couple more days, but is already feeling like forty You know,
you wake up like what happened? Why does my toe hurt?
But then it hurts here? This is all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Get ready to spray in the neck, putting on a belt. See,
strange things happen. That's why I'm trying to get.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Any plans that you can share with us. Uh, clearly
we weren't invited to whatever they.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
No, no, no plans yet. I am taking the family
to China this summer, so that's the big plan. Nice,
So I'll to celebrate there, I guess congratulation. Yes, you
made it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
There you go, another modish, old tone of sorts. DeMarco
clearly predates us, and we love his history with this organization.
But the start of year ten want to call out,
Wow for Maurice, for me for the rams backard in
Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Weird, weird, weird, weird, It's weird?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Is it weird?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Because it's gone fast, but it hasn't gone fast. And
it's been ten years, but it doesn't seem like ten.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
It's so funny. I remember our first year being in
New York and as going to the bar to watch
the college game. That felt like yesterday, but it was
ten years ago. How do those things just pop up?
All those are good moments? Are you going to finish
that story in there? That's why I stopped it there
and I just left it at that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I don't remember that bus ride to the metal. M
All right, Well, we're reminiscing before we get to free agency,
before we get to our updated hopes and expectations for
the draft. We're also going to talk a little bit
about the lay of the land in the NFC West.
We got to say for farewell to Cooper Cup and
just kind of revisit some of what was I think
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a great chapter in Rams history that unfortunately ends here
this offseason. You want to start with your reactions. I
know there's some water under the bridge, but when you
kind of realize that he was no longer going to
be a Ram and when you found out he would
be a Seahawk, big picture thoughts.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's what I'm meant by weird.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
It's been ten years and you know, coming this September,
it'll be the first time without Cooper Cup, and that's
going to be strange. I guess not the first time,
but it's gonna be weird to not have him out there.
And that was the toughest thing when we got the
rundown for what we were about to do. Your favorite
Cooper Cup moment. I mean, my god, how do you
get beyond the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Right? You know what I mean? Or which era are
we talking about? The GoF era or the Stafford era?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Because he was pretty dominant with both guys, But it
seemed like when nine got here, Matthew Stafford, Cooper Cup,
they owned that front right pylon.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
That was their thing.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
But there's so many someone he catches it some when
he's just blocking someone, he's getting guys lined up. There's
so many Cooper Cup memories. It's just going to be
weird not to see him in a RAMS uniform.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah. I think that's the nature of this business, right,
And that's the one thing that you hate because you've
seen a player grow in front of you. You've seen
a player go from a third round pick to a
leader of a team, a captain of a team to
a super Bowl champion. The one play that does uh
they hits me is when he's playing the Saints and
he kindt like a uh option rout and made a
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move and I was like, oh man, he got some juice.
And JB was like, why, why don't you think he
has juice? I was like, well, JB, you know why
I don't think he has juice.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
But we can't talk about the Marshon Latimore stiff on.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, what he shook about four or five guys.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I was number two on my list.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
There see, there you go. I just it was the
energy that he brought. And then I'll say the last
one for me was the one where he was out
of character. You always talk about Cooper company out a character.
If you remember in the super Bowl, it was either
the Super Bowl, the NFC.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Champion going, that's number three on my list. Where he
gets up and he's like, ah, he roared, Yes, he
roared in celebration.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Unbelievable. Those are the two things that were that that
hit me when I think of Cooper.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Because he scored a couple of touchdowns in that game
and that was special. He scored twenty two touchdowns that year,
I think, and never did anything except hand the football
to the official ball. But when he caught that third
down in three and brought the Rams into what proved
to be game winning field goal range, he knew and
vicariously we knew where that was heading. Man. That gives
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me chills just thinking about it. Yes, you know what
number one on my list was, which is crazy because
of the game? No, that was that was right up there.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, although that would fit the theme.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
The Tampa Yes, because my theme was none of them
were touchdowns, which is crazy. None of my favorite memories,
as I try to get past, like the Super Bowl
and the Deal, were touchdown catches. And the one that
he dropped as a rookie in the Coliseum against the Seahawks,
I think was a defining moment for him and for
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the Sean McVay era and the Rams that came to
pass that year and beyond what you think.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That was at the goal post, right straight up, right
right up the scene, and it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Was like, Okay, if he can withstand that, if he
can spin that around, if the Rams can not like
let that moment define their first Sean McVay year. Then
a lot of good things are going to happen in
this chatter.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Remember that game again Minnesota in the coliseum where the
Vikings were trying to cover. Yeah, well they were trying
to cover like Cooper Cup with linebackers.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, like, hold on, relax, I'm just saying it shouldn't
have been that.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I get it your adherence to Tampa too, but it's
clearly not working. But yeah, just so many memories, yes,
big time.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And the rotating cast of characters around them. Like we're
going to talk later in this show about the latest
edition of what eleven personnel might look like for the
twenty twenty five rams. But think of the running mates
that he had and that he was kind of the
the nucleus that made it all work.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean, I just remember the way Robert Woods played
Sammy Watkins. We talked about like there was so many
Brandon Cooks, There were so many guys that came in
and played a certain role in this offense. But the
all one consistent was Third and Cup, no doubt that
was they come in to go, Hobs, they come and
they go.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I'll never forget that first training camp too, and we
won't mention who it was that kind of split out
with them. But seeing a rookie in his first summer
make an adjustment for teammate at the line of scrimmage,
you can understand why McVeigh and company quickly decided, Okay,
this is someone we have to build around and sooner
rather than later.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
As a sea I hope he doesn't turn into Steve
Largent up there, because he might, because you've given him
everything he needed. You're doubting him again. Remember what he
was like in high school when every Pac ten school
or Pac twelve school passed on him because they didn't
think he could play at the next level. What did
he do to every Pac twelve team he played?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Destroyed him? So you've given him what he wanted, and
I hope he doesn't turn in the Largent.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So you're saying underestimating keeper Cup is kind of the
quintessential ingredient and what he's become.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
As of course, yes, I think if you look at
what they're doing up there too, it fits right. It's
going to be a very similar system.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Sorry to interrupt you, but you're like one of the
few people who's used those words so far with it
fit to the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Good for Sam Darnold to have that guy up there.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, I think a lot of people are criticizing that
quarterback receiver from what they had before. Correct and in isolation,
I can justify just about every choice they've made. Yeah,
And that's kind of the wild card that they have
up their sleeve right now. It's clearly Koobiak and Cup
and you know they have a vision. I just don't
know what that vision.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I've talked to, I've talked a lot of their coaches
up there. I know what that vision is. The vision
is going to be. They won ten games last year
and didn't make the playoffs because they couldn't run the football.
They couldn't they couldn't control the line of scrimmage. Their
whole goal this year in Seattle is a control line
of scrimmage and takes shots down the field. I personally
thought Stefan Diggs was gonna go there right wow, because
again Kubiak was in Minnesota, same offense, similar quarterback to
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case Keenum and kind of what they did there. But
Cooper Cup going there now with js in and who
else they.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Do you mout wide?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I remember wide in their twenty one packages. Yes, they're
gonna be a twenty one team. They're not going to
be an eleven. There'll be a twenty one team. Then
they'll move to eleven and that's when you're gonna see
the option routes. But he's gonna be an outside guy
running those deep ends. They love deep ends, right, and
that's what you're gonna see a lot of those ones
that he caught early in Jared's career.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What do you think of Seahawks rams at SOFI Week one?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
As an opener, Yes, it has to be yes standing
O for the man too. Yes, really show your appreciation, absolutely,
show your appreciation standing oh, and then get after me.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
That's what he's gonna do. I don't know about standing out.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Schedule releases for a show somewhere down the line in
the future after the draft. Here on between the horns.
This one is about free agency mostly, and I thought
it would make sense if we kind of just continued
the chronology, right because I think there's a story to
be told and woven through. You know, how many weeks
has it been so we got together six or so,
whatever it's been, and it all starts with what I
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think of is like the February flow chart right, Because
I've said this before on this show and others. Every
off season begins with the question do you have the
quarterback with whom you can win a super Bowl? And
then yes and know off that tree lead to different
decision points. And I think every season since what February
of twenty eighteen, like after the first McVeigh, you're every
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off season for us, that answer has been yes. And
it continues with another go around with Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I think it was great. I think it was smart.
I'm glad both sides came to their senses and ended
this thing quickly. Never thought he would leave the building,
but you never know. Is the business of football. The
benefit is right, you have a super Bowl caliber quarterback
coming back. You have your leader coming back. Also, you
can hit the ground running come OTAs in many camps
and your weight training program. You don't have to introduce
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new you don't have to download a new offense, get
people used to everyone.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
He knows everyone. Having Stafford back in the building, keeping
him in the fold, I thought was huge. Your first
game could almost act as Game twenty from last season,
pick up right where you left off from Philadelphia. You
were that close.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Now take it to OTAs in many camps and continue that.
So I thought it was huge getting him back through
these doors.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, I think I always think of it when you
talk about having that consistency. Watching a TV show like
say Game of Thrones, for example, you have to wait
a whole year for the next that next season to
come around. And that's what you have if you have
a new quarterback. Where if it's a movie, right, that
movie's played out through one situation. And so to me,
when you don't have to have a new offense, you
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don't have to learn your quarterback. You don't have to
learn what they do best. You don't have to know
you know, he knows everything here, and then you can
implement other pieces to help really make him a better player.
If if if that's what we're talking about. Obviously we'll
get to that a little bit. But getting that piece
that that that key piece that cogged to your engine,
that that that that starter, whatever you want to call it,
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that's going to be the most important thing. Because he
touches the ball every play, right, Sean knows how he
likes plays called. He knows how Sean likes him. So
many times we've seen the back and forth of like, Okay,
I got, I got, I know what you want. If
it's a new quarterback, that's a completely different deal, right,
And then that pushes you back a little bit. I
think DeMarco, you hit it right where you don't have
to learn anything now, it's just we're going and calling.
(11:58):
We're a week seven now, right, we're working on week
seven stuff here in OTAs instead of day one install.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Given all that you said, though, I still think there's
a lot of branches off this tree where the Rams
can go offensively, you know what I mean by that?
Like we've seen them play different styles of football with
Matthew Stafford and with this reconstituted offense that we're going
to talk more and more about the course of this show.
Could we see more drop back game? Sure, you go
back to that. Could we go to what you call
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the Bible, that's where you gotta go. You could don't
have to.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Well, I feel like that's what we did. We will
not we but that's what they did towards the end
of the season. Yep. Right, we went back to well
you know where twenty seventeen eighteen where the Rams were
high flying, scoring points and it really started against Seattle,
but I think we're having it was just it was
just a lot of run, play action, pass right, making
sure that you're having eye violation on the other side,
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drop back pass, there's no eye violations.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I bet I wouldn't mind letting him drop back and
do his thing, depending on who I'm playing and how
he's playing that day.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, the feelings you've assembled for him, but essentially this
season zooming out a bit. I think in the four
year Stafford experience here, you've had two years where you
won because of Matthew Stafford, the Super Bowl year, and
then I think twenty three, which was sneakily one of
his best seasons. He had one year where he didn't
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win at all because things went sideways and he was
hurt in twenty two, and then last year felt like
a winning with Matthew Stafford year. He wasn't as good,
I don't think performance wise as twenty one or twenty three,
but he was still one of the ten best quarterbacks
walk in the face of the Earth. Big moments, yeah,
huge with big moments. And so I'm curious what the
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twenty five edition of that looks like. And I appreciate
the poise with which the Rams as an organization. It's
kind of the patient, sober mindset where they made their
preference known that they're not willing or or they don't
want to close this chapter, but if it has to
go that way because of what they've done the last
couple of off seasons. There is a future coming beyond
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Matthew Stafford that's gonna be okay, just like there is
beyond Cooper cup.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I think when I think of what the Rams did,
and it reminds me of that Denver Broncos with John
Elway late in his career. Right John could still throw
the ball all around the yard, but he was old
like can't get hit. We don't need you to get
taken these shots. We want you to be able to
be Matthew Stafford in moments, in that Matthew Stafford moment,
if there is a third and eight that we need
you to get like there was against afrigat was a
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buffalo where two two at well comes with that is
your moment, Shine, But you can't be the young gun
slinger that you've always been because one, we don't want
you taking those shots, and two this team is built
completely differently. They're built to control the line of screeners.
We're built to take over games. And then, like I said,
in those moments, when there's time to take shots, we'll
take those shots and we'll show it all the time I.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Played those that Denver buzz Saw tough, it wasn't about Elway,
was about that run game. And then when you finally
have that sewed up, Oh yeah, that's Lway back there
that can throw them all well. So if you want
to build that level of a run game all for it,
it's hard to stop. It's impossible to stop, especially when
you got that guy. But easier said than done. So,
but having him at quarterback, I think there's so many
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things you can do in your offense.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And everything we talk about from here on out is
downstream of that decision, right because the moment you know,
Matthew Stafford's coming back, the moment that Maurice Jones Drew
goes to work as Alaric Jackson's eight second agent, what role.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Do you play? I feel like, you know, just in
the building, I just kind of I spe you out
little things and they stick the wall. So like Alec
Jackson needs to get paid, what are we doing? Did
you put that out there. I've said it a couple
of good podcast good. That's awesome. I tell people all
the time. And we were just talking about beforehand. You know,
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when you listen to his story in college, Trisan Wurfs,
who's making all the money and all this, couldn't beat
him out at left tackle? All right? This guy was
a top five pick, signed multiple deals, a stable in Tampa.
Couldn't beat this young man out, and you get him
as an undrafted rookie like, okay, there's something there. We
got to figure it out. And then you finally put
him in and we talked about it JB. When he
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came back after the two game suspension, that was it.
We didn't hear anything about left tackle anymore. The first
couple of games. It was like whoa right? And I
think that showed his worth to the to organizations because
if you go back to was it twenty three, he
was awesome, like he had played really well and he
was one but he blocked Miles Garrett one on one,
Like he's a guy that you don't need to help
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all the time. If that makes it.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
No, he's a good left tackle, he really is. And
like I was thinking about this on the way over.
You have been given a gift, you have been paid
big money. Now you can just work on your craft.
So this is just a personal thing. I would tell
the all young dudes, don't buy anything, buy the big
house when you make all pro. But right now you
have been afforded the ability to just work on your
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game and not worry about whether I'm going to be
here or not.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
You used a couple of words there that I'm honing
in on. Good mm hm. This is a paid to
be good contract. This is a pay to be great contract. Yes,
and I'll pro right like. Whether or not you get
the actual Wikipedia recognition not important to me. But can
you step into that upper echelon because I like where
the Rams are at left tackle, because there are going
to be prospects drafted at the end of this cycle
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and at the end of April who are twenty three
and even twenty four years of age. Alyric's going into
his age twenty seven season with multiple years of starting
experience in this system and for system, I mean head coach,
offensive coordinator, position room coaches like I think that bodes
really well. Now, I don't know if they make that investment.
If Matthew Stafford is not a Ram currently. Maybe they do,
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maybe they don't, but it was very much the next
logical step once you committed to Stafford.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, I agree, you have to protect his blindside. We've
seen this game, right, and I think that's if you
go back to week one, Week two, you've seen what
Stafford would he could be if he doesn't have a
left tackle, which was he was still making plays. It
was pretty much chaos. He felt so much more comfortable
when Jackson got back at the left tackle spot that
you can see I saw personally call he was much
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more calm in the pocket. I remember it was. It
was it might have been the Detroit Lions game Week
one where he like spun, he like dropped back and
spun because he felt Hutchinson on him right away. Right
He couldn't even get back and look at that he
was already knowing the rush was coming. You can't play
quarterback that way. So you get your quarterback, you get
his protector. Now we can start to move on and
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fix other things.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Let's stay on the offensive line for what I think
has the potential to be go ahead and said the
most impactful move the Rams make this off season and
it's a subtle one, it's not a flashy one. From
the first snap in Detroit into the last snap in Philadelphia,
I think the rams inability to get the interior of
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their offensive line letter perfect cost them the chance to
win what Week one cost them the chance to host
the NFC Championship Game. So while I I think you
have something really nice in bo Limmer, I am not surprised,
speaking only for myself, to see them bring back Coleman
Shelton because committing to Matthew Stafford I think means recommitting
to getting that right pre and post snap in a
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way that maybe we didn't appreciate how much Coleman.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Was doing, no doubt, And as soon as I saw
when he was when Coleman Shelton was signed here, I
went back and looked. I think he's made forty seven
starts in the last three seasons.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I don't think he's coming here to back up. I
think I think he's coming here to compete for a job.
And I thought the word you were trying not to
use was controversy. I don't mind that competition even works better.
So if Limber can hold on to the spot, great,
that makes him a better center. If Shelton ascends to
the number one spot, great, that's an experienced center with
damn near fifty snaps fifty starts in three years. That's
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only going to help your offense. I think the biggest thing,
and Jamie we talked about it a little bit, was
the communication.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That was the c word. Competition is a good one,
but that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Carter, that's what you saw when you go back and
watch the Philadelphia Eagles game on that last drive, Carter
wasn't blocked because there was a lack of communication. You
have the center looking to help left and the right
guard looking to help right, and you got the guy
that's been disrupting everything right between them right and so
communicating and being on the same page as the offensive line.
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All those things are all about Matthew Stafford right, being
able to set that pocket where he can step up
in and see and make those throws. That's going to
be important. And you saw even though I thought bo
Limber played lights out, I thought he did an awesome
job and physically was there, but because he's a rookie,
the communication was lacking right. And in the NFL, I've
always again talked play with a bunch of coaches and
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coached by a bunch of guys. They all said the
same thing. Communication is key. There is no communication that's
in everything, relationships, life. If you can't communicate, there's no
success that's going to happen. So you're got to get
one of the better communicators at center in your system
back a starter.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, I think probably the name in the early years
of this era that we don't talk nearly enough about,
John Sullivan.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Oh my god, Sully. Yeah. Man, until the legs gave out,
he was great.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And then the Super Bowl season people don't remember. You
kind of got a Pro Bowl season out of Brian Allen.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You did.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
And then again like things happened with Coleman Shelton in
that place.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So what's the most important thing about Coleman Shelton.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
He went to your he's a husky.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
There you go. Communication. Here you go.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
As great a football communicator as he is. He's a
man of very few words though, so he may not
say it at the podium, but he'll say it. I
promise we're going to get the DeVante Adam to stand by.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
But if you check the tape from our season finale
edition of Between the Horns, I forget what.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
We called it.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
One of our closing thoughts was if the goal, if
the ambition this offseason is to get faster and more
explosive at the skill positions, then how can you let
the fastest, most explosive skill player that you have get
out of the building and you know that we're all
to two stands here on this set. Good to have
two to two at will back because now that you
see the vision, I don't think he can do it
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without someone of his explosiveness.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I just don't know how he's He's literally wide open
all the time, like, regardless of what goes on, the
fact that every time Stafford throws in the ball, there's
five yards or more in between him and the next
defender tells me he should have been here.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And I get the criticism or the caution will they
use him? Will they use them?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Criticism?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, I think this contract says their planning years.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's always weird defending to to because you would think
that he can't play. He can play. He's a really
good receiver. They just didn't use him a lot. I
think that might change now. When you guys look up
receiver stats, what numbers do you look at touchdowns will
be number one. Yards what about yards per catch? Sure
he's up over thirteen. I mean that's Jamar Chase. I'm
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on Saint Brown is at ten.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
And that's not baking in the past interference penalties that
he draws. Otherwise the number.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Would be he can play. So I hope, like I
said to to stays healthy. He did last year one
of I think there were two receivers that were healthy
for all seventeen. He was one of them, including the
playoff game. So tough as nails. I hope he gets
used in a way that you could he could show
off that speed.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I still think they were trying to figure out how
to utilize him too, because there was you started seeing
him aout motions, but towards the end of the season
he started becoming running dig routes. I mean, he did everything.
And so to me, when I think it's hard when
you have Cooper Cup who runs a lot of the
intermediate routes, and then you only put him in a
position to say, hey, you're going to be the deep guy.
But also DeMarcus Robinson's going to be that guy too,
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and also Puka's going to have his deep shots too,
So your reps are going to come down. Now you're
kind of being in a position to be able to
do everything again with obviously the addition.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Of the next guy we'll talk about, all right, go ahead,
you talk about him first.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah. I think Davante Adams is the Krim Dela Krim
of release game. And one of the issues that the
Rams have had is getting off of press and getting
off of releases. As of late, it wasn't like younger
younger years, you have the motions and guys are finding ways.
But now you have an X receiver in the tight
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red zone where you can say here, run a slant
or run a fade, or here we can put you
a slot and you can run that option route and breakout.
And we have a guy you could do so much
more with him because of his releases and how physical
he is as a wide receiver. And then he still
has the ability to stretch the field if you need
him to to get one A, one B type of receivers.
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And I and again people are gonna say, well, Cooper Cup,
and you're right, but I think Cooper Cup's ability to
not be available over the last couple of seasons it's
hurt him where DeVante Adams has been available over the
last couple of seas. Wow, if you're trying to compare
the two, I'd say DeVante Adams is more dynamic than Cooper.
I don't know. I mean, that's hard. I don't even
want to go there.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
But guy, as a future Hall of Famer, we don't
have to compareison.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
But I'm with you he is.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
He presents too many unanswered questions in press coverage because
I haven't seen anybody jam him off.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The line yet.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And I talked to him on the radio and I
didn't know he was a basketball player. So all this
stuff that we're seeing his point guard stuff, I'm like, Oh,
that's why it looks so familiar. That's why he gets
so open. But when I started thinking about him, I
started thinking about the red zone and how many times
the Rams actually attacked that back pylon. I think that
might change now with Davonte Adams. There's so many options
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with him in the open field from twenty to twenty
and twenty in that's going to make you a better offense.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I've already heard that this is the closest the Rams
have had to since OBJ got it figured out in
the second half of that season, right, I could see
some of that big time. But the name that came
to mind for me is this is the closest thing
they've had since Sammy Watkins year because of the words
that you mentioned, which were red zone. Yeah, I think
the way they operated with Sammy Watkins. I'm not saying
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they're going to use the same blueprint, but I think
you could get the same efficiency on short fields that
you had because that, to me, was what Sammy Watkins
did best. And they had eight touchdowns that year.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Sammy couple had had like the courage of all thousand men. Yeah,
facing gun because like he would run right in the
middle of it and just catch the ball.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
And then even though like you know, throwing the fade
ball is no longer in vogue, it's not like a
high percentage football play. If you were to come up
with a short list of guys to whom it's worth
throwing fadeballs, this guy's on that list.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
But I also think this, Jamie, when you get inside
the five, there's only so many routes that you can run, right,
it's either crossing routes on the front of the goal
line or back in line. But if I could put
everybody to one side Davante one on one and not
see a safety there and say here, what off of
the levers that he's playing. Yeah, you better have an
all program or have a chance to win that.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
In our time together, we've seen some great trios in
that huddle. I think for me, cup Woods Cooks was
like the best that it ever fit together. But if
you're going to have to be able to run with
two two, stick to Devonte Adams and tackle Puka ten
to twelve times per game, there's a good luck element
to that, And I wonder what your coverage options are
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as a defense. That's how the Rams break the huddle.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
You better have a pro bowler somewhere. Yeah, you're gonna
one on one with somebody, well, I think I think, Look,
there's two things you It's two ways to slices. Either
you're gonna play coverage and let Stafford sit back there,
so you better have a tremendous pass rush. Right, you're
gonna play cover two zone and he's gonna find the
soft areas and hit guys in the in the in
the in the soft air on his own. Or you're
gonna play man. Somebody's then they're gonna get ran off.
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You're gonna run a crossing routes. It's gonna make Adding
these pieces forces the game for Sean McVay to be
so much more simple in the passing game. It doesn't
have to be design all this stuff. It's gonna be okay,
as a manner zone. If it's man, we're gonna do this.
If his zone's gonna do that with a QB that
can get it there. Yeah, with velocity.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
What's it mean for Jay Witt? Have you thought at
all about year two for him? Given the companies keeping.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
He's got a good role, don't you. I think he
has a great role. Team's uh the part time receiver.
I think he's Pooka. He's Pookah number two.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, yeah, right, So he'll come in the better he does,
the more perceptions he gets, more targets he gets.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
But yeah, he's got a role.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It doesn't change my appetite for another pass catcher in
this draft class, perhaps as early as twenty six? Does
that change anything for you?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Would never say no, I don't. Twenty six is a
tough place to pick. It's not like thirty two, or
it's not like.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Twenty Okay, fair right, like say that for later.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, but it's tough.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You would not be surprised. I'm not surprised if the
Rams fortify that room.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Maybe I would be surprised. You would. They went and
drafted a receiver one and I would one drops at one? Yeah,
at one.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, I'm not necessarily saying that one. Although Tetua McMillan's
four five forty did have me thinking.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
If t Maac falls that O, Lord have mercy, then
I'm gonna run the I'm gonna run it up to him, to.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Him, sorry to Marco. We may get through all this
no discussion. I know the player that you want to
talk about, because I think I texted you as soon
as the Punaford contract. Yeah, his finalized that I I
celebrated on behalf of Kobe Turner. Am I wrong to
be thinking along those lines?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It depends on how he likes playing the five or
which guy do you have playing the five? Because I
would have Fisk at the three because he's a good
pass rusher. So you got to put Kobe somewhere, So
that would be the Michael Brockers five spot, tough against
the run, straightened out against the pass, and be active,
but with all due respect, and I have to respect
the position more than the players and the name on
the back of the jersey. Pooniford is an upgradedt nose tackle,
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he really is. So there's three ways you could judge
good nose tackles. You could look at his tackle stats.
If he's got sixty six tackles, he's obviously making plays.
If he's got forty four, look behind him. If the
guys behind him are up over one hundred, that means
he's doing his job. Another way is when you see
that guy shaded over the center to the right side
or the left side, especially snaphand. If that guy doesn't
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get cut off ninety percent of the time, he's a
damn good nose tackle. When you watch poon a Ford,
it never happens. He breaks down and diagnoses blocks like that.
He will absolutely destroy your run game. For the first
six or seven weeks of this year. Of last season,
when he was in a Chargers uniform, I don't think
they had a run that broke for over twenty yards
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all because of what he was doing in the middle.
This is a definite upgrade for this entire defense. It
will get you the obvious passing downs faster, which is good.
It sets you up for Verse Fisk and Kobe Turner.
This is an upgrade on defense.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So you say that, I just remember going to Seattle
and him just destroying the deer in the line, Like, okay,
so why can't we find this guy? And I thought
last year the Rams would try to make a play
for him, but it didn't happen, and so it's all good,
but to get him in the middle. I believe you're
exactly right, and I don't. I thought Bobby Brown did
a really good job and he showed up big in moments.
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This more consistency would put afford and I think because
of his stature, it's gonna be harder for o' lineman
to get after. I played with the guy by the
named Roy Miller out of University of Texas. Roy was
like five eleven, three hundred and thirty five pounds, very
similar to putting forward, and he was like, I can
beat every cinner that's over six foot, Like, if you're
six to three, I can get I'll get under your automatically.
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It's the little centers that give me the problem. And
there's not many of those guys in the game today.
There's not gonna be mini centers like Brian Allen that
we had here that are shorter, squadier guys, and so
that's where you're going to dominate. He'll be able to
two gap, he gets sacks out of that. Whatever you want,
yeahever you want, he could do it all he is
and he has, say.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yes, perfect size for nose cycle. You got to come
down there to block him.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And you look at the competition within the division. These
are not finalized rosters in Seattle or San Francisco. I
get it, but there are some deficiencies across the NFC
West on the interior of the offensive line right now,
and I think that's an area we'll see those opponents
address sooner rather than later. But it's nice to feel
that you've got an advantage in the trenches going up
against the opponents that you're gonna play twice per year.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
And we mentioned Coleman Shelton and what happened in that
playoff game and what else happened in that playoff game.
Saquon got out at gosh about four or five times
both in both games. So sew that up and like
you said, force them to throw. You've got guys that
can get there.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I'm not surprised to hear you say that whoever's playing
off ball linebacker behind him is a winner in this signing.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
M hmm, yeah, well, I mean that's the thing. I mean,
it depends on who that guy is, but I mean
he is going to take up to he is not
going to be out of his gap, and he makes
everybody better. That's the thing that I like most about
him coming out of the charge. Everywhere he's been, every
coach raves about him making other people better. So that
could be the guys behind or the guys lining up
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right next to.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Him, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Continuing the theme, I think the Rams doing a very targeted,
efficient job at addressing what you would qualify as needs
before the draft puts him in a great position turning
towards the spring. And I think that puzzle was completed
this week with a Kella Witherspoon back for more at corner,
because when you look at the cards that the Rams
can play off that deck at that spot, A Kello,
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Darius Kobe, Derrionn Kendrick coming back healthy. Saw him today
at the facility. A couple of rookies they like in
Josh Wallace and Charles Woods and do not forget about
a former number one pick and Emmanuel Forbes who they
threw a dart with in the middle of last season,
and they'll almost certainly later into that group. I get it.
But you could do worse going into OTAs than that
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group returning that corner. Oh oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I mean, I don't know what if Keller Wismom was
like drinking acid and eating razor blades last year, but
he had it become a physical player, yeah, and that
physicality really took his game to the next level. I
thought Darris Williams going there just being a guy where
he's supposed to be all the time. That interception against
the Niners is still that game. That is what you
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get from Darres. He's always going to be where he's
supposed to be, and he'll gamble and take a chance
when he knows it's there and it's right. But he's
always where he's supposed to be. And when you have
two cores that can do that, you can then allow
other guys to feel in. Kobe Durant comes in and
becomes this you know, that playoff game crazy like you know,
interceptions and getting sacks and it just the way they
play together. And if you do add to that, there's
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already competition in this room. If you do add to that,
it's only going to make it better. And I only
think that that secondary works because of what you did
with the defensive line though, oh no doubt.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
But it's funny when you see players and I talked
a lot about a Kello and when you see the
light come on physically, you can see it how the
game just slows down and he gets more and more confident,
like I can make this play, I can step in front.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
It's not luck. He's actually saw it. He made the play.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
So but I wouldn't be shy about adding talent to
that room at all, especially if I could add premium
talent to that room.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So be it. In my opinion, you can never have
enough good coins.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Well, that's a position where any chance you get to
add premium talent. But I think you can take it
with an eye towards contributing in twenty five, starting in
twenty six, differently than if you didn't have a Kello Witherspoon.
I don't know, if you didn't have a Punaford signed
and free agency, you might have to operate differently come April.
Even Nate Lanman signing this week. Special team's depth perhaps
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linebacker depth for sure played in a adjacent system in Atlanta.
I think another shrewd move tackling machine, underrated coverage ability
generates takeaways, and Ronnie Rivers back as well.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Speaking of special team's depth and another running back option,
all right, I want to talk some draft.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
How have the last few weeks shaped your thinking about
what the Rams are going to attempt to do in
a month's time.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Uh, I've been looking at inside linebackers.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Okay, is that fair?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
At what? What round? Any round?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I'm just looking at the depth of field of inside
linebackers and adding some quickness and some speed there. I
mean when you look at the roster, I mean I
know you're you. You mentioned tight ends, right.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
And if I haven't yet, I'll say it now.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Oh my bad?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Okay, well yeah, just but when you look at the
roster the way it is now, I guess the biggest
hole would be at inside linebacker. You could add more
talent there. So that's what I've been looking at. Outside
of corners. I don't think you need pass rushers running
back you might be set quarterback, receiver maybe so so
definitely looking on the defensive side, and at linebacker.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You always can add pass rushers. Always like to me
at the position, I look at it as what I
would do. Whatever I do at twenty six determines what
the rest of this draft is going to be. If
there is a dominant or pastors that I feel comfortable with,
I'm gonna take them because I have space for a
guy like that where Michael Hoyt left. Yeah, I can
implement him there right, or pass protection or tackle right.
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I think you need another tackle to go in and
be able to work behind Havenstein. As he gets going
and he gets older, you want to have his replacement there,
and you always want to build in the trenches. I
think then you look to off ball linebacker maybe fourth
or fifth round later this guys again, athletic guys that
can run, because we don't need a guy that's going
to be a traditional three to four hit the guard,
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but the gard up you have those guys taking up
in front. I need guys that can cover and run.
Tight End is always there, but like see, the problem
with me is tight ends a position. If you don't
have the top two guys, you can wait right and
then that And that's that's very different from pass rusher, right,
because I think pass rusher, you want those top guys
because it's a big difference between the other guys, right
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and so, and I still think, yeah, you're looking for
a running back. I'm still want to add to that
running back room. I want to I want to continue
to add to that.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
You've done your homework. This is reputed as a great
running back draft on all three days. How does it
shake out in your estimation?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
It's it's a there's a lot of guys that fit
the system that we run. There's a lot of guys
that fit the outside zone systems you see in San Francisco,
we'll see in Seattle. Though, there are those guys. I
think you could get those guys. To me, this is
a draft of there's probably seven guys that I can
say are day one, Day two guys that can fit
most systems. There's four that can fit every system that
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would if you're a running back away like a Philly
was last year. If you feel like we just need
a running game, there's three dudes in this draft that
can be that guy for you. Really, at least.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Three because of what the Rams have done in recent weeks.
I don't think there's a position group that would surprise me,
you know, come that last weekend in April. In terms
of the day one opportunity, I tend to think because
of the premium value, you got to go for a
premium position there, and that means pass throwers, pass catchers,
pass rushers, or pass defenders. Those are typically the four
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categories that I look for in a first round pick.
But I love the time on task for this group
right front office coaching staff, because I think last year
was really informative. Were any of us sitting here twelve
months ago saying they gotta have Jared Verse. If there's
any path to Jared Verse, they got to take it.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I don't know the other guy, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But then six quarterbacks go and fourteen straight offensive players go,
and next thing you know, you're sitting there like drafting
in your top five in terms of your defensive board,
and you end up with not just one defensive rookie
of the year, but two. For all intents and purposes.
I don't know that that same formula is going to
work this year, but I do think there's a privilege
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to being patient that who knows, Like maybe at twenty
six the quarterbacks that someone's interested in is still there.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
That would surprise me.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And a quarterback needy team that doesn't want to sleep
on Thursday night without knowing who their next option is
picks up the phone like that would be ideal because
to me, the gap, I think it's like sixty picks
between twenty six and ninety that's too much. That's too
much for my liking to not have a second round.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Wow, which quarterback may slip the twenty six dark dark?
You know what's funny? It reminds me of what Baltimore
did with Lamar Jackson that year. Yea, all those quarterbacks
went and Lamar was still sitting there, and then Baltimore
creeps up and goes and gets them, all of them.
You can see that as well. You can see that
ability happening. Man. That is a lot of picks.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
That's a lot of picks, a lot of players off
the board. I think the only thing that would surprise
me is if you draft a punter.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
But no, that's different.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
It is nice going into your offseason feeling like you
know who your specialists are. That's a good feeling. Do
you guys, mind taking a quick lap around the NFC
West because obviously you're kind of watching the Niners, the Seahawks,
and the Cardinals go through their offseason.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Hold on, did you see Ethan Evans squat on video?
Did you?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Did?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
You? Did you? Did you see that? I did?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I thought he was told to stop doing that.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
That's the punter.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I'm sorry, squatting like seven hundred pounds too much. That's ridiculous. Okay, sorry,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Uh pick a team you want, Niner, Seahawks, Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Where do you want to score? Niners? First? Yeah? Is
the window closed? It might be you gotta pay you
gotta pay your quarterback now. Yeah, it's an all fucking games? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
How about the purging of this Super Bowl roster? Debo Banks,
Hard Grave, Floyd greenlaw Ward Funga, even Mason.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
There's rumors up there that I may be on the
on the trade block story.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I don't know, though, don't forget the fourth place schedule.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
That's the thing, the fourth race. I mean I saw that. Wow.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I mean they play the Giants, Bears, Browns instead of Eagles, Lions, Ravens.
Just in terms of apples to apples.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
That's scheduleless number less. Yeah, happy happy, some of those
ram killers are gone and their old line is yesled
big time. Yes good. I don't know how to say it,
but good. I will say this the biggest one that
I was so happy about. And again I'm in the Bears,
all my friends and everyone's Niner fans. Debo, No, I
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love to keep debo. Oh green Laws not around. Oh yeah,
my goodness. When he came back on that Thursday night,
he had about seven hundred tackles in the first seven
it was like he was tackling everybody. Warner and green
Law dangerous. Yeah, I'm okay with Warner. Yeah yeah, but
both Yeah, remember we were It was like he made
every tackle for like twenty plays in a row. It
was like, okay in the first half, yeah, it was
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like this guy, we can't have this guy out in
New York.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
So let me jump to The Cardinals signed Josh Schwett
as kind of the Eagles makeover. In the Desert continues
Dalvin Tomlinson for to find their interior L J. Collier
and I think pick sixteen is will to go with
it and money still to spend. Why you cringing?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
They're they're building something down there. I don't know what
it is. They fixed last year with the three tight
ends and the physicality on offense and they kind of
started figuring something out then. Defensively, Dalvin Thompson scares me
because that is a big man in the middle. And
if you are building what you had in Philly, you
build it on the inside. You build literally from the
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inside out. You get two defensive tackles that have to
take up double team, so your edge guys can just
go that's all they want to do.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Sweat is one of the best edge guys out there.
Best edge guy they've had since Chandler Jones, I think
that or.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
The guy that we played in Week two.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Oh well yeah, yeah he went crazy because Jackson wasn't there.
But yeah, I mean, he might be their best edge
guy in years. So always a problem. The only thing
that you can't predict about Arizona is their quarterback. If
you catch Kyler when he's on, when he's on one,
he's almost unstoppable. But the problem is the bad when
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call of duty is not on that right right right,
double time.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
You've got the gaming creds to say something.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I just I just I just I've just heard.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
I just heard, and I know we touched on the
Seahawks a little bit, but just to circle back again
in isolation, can I understand going from Gino to Donold,
especially given the offensive system change, the pick comp the money,
The money money sure huge.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Can you can you.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Make the case that DK isn't worth top three or
four wide receiver money? I get that, But did the
Seahawks get better so far this off season? I think
that's a difficult case to make.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
I don't think. I don't know if they got better
or not. But you're losing a lot of talent, but
you're also losing when they fired their o C. I
knew that whole thing was going to change yet right,
and you have to now build for whatever this OC wants.
And the only part about it is, you know how
it is in Seattle, like it's old wet that run
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game when they were when Seattle's been at their best,
and they hear them talk about this, and I don't
know if you guys heard, they felt like they they
lost their home field advantage in Seattle when we was
Seattle always that was when you were handing the ball
to Marshawn Lynch and playing a crazy defense, and that's
what they're trying to get back to. So maybe they
have gotten better, right, well went out? Yeah, just because
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they're they're switching up to their.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Mentality, getting back to that their identity. You know what
I thought. It seems like they are sweeping the last
of the Pete Carroll guys out the door. And this
is an entirely new thing we're doing here, and it
makes sense you want to put your own staff on
this football team. So yeah, did they get better or worse?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
We're going to see and loan behold piece back to
receive at least one of those getting Yes. I had
one other early thought on the NFC that I just
wanted to kind of plant this seat because I have
a feeling that's going to be a theme when we
start to get together next fall. I got three teams
that need to improve for the good of the Rams,
and you might not expect to hear these. I got
the New York Giants, the Dallas Cowboys, and the Chicago Bears.
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Here's why the NFC East crosses over with the NFC North,
and those divisions produce five of the seven playoff teams
last year. So I need the Giants and the Bears
to take a game off the Niners. I need the
Cowboys to not let the Eagles and the Lions and
the Packers and Vikings win fourteen. I think they've taken
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a nice step.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I think they've done a great job. Again, a lot
of teams are building that guard center, guard area. They
did an awesome job of doing that. And then you're
gonna probably add another running back, which rumor is gent
in the first round. Yeah, you get that. Now you
have your two headed monster, you have your receivers on
the outside.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
I've asked this before. Give me your greatest Chicago Bear quarterback.
Everybody goes down Cutler before or after maybe Cutler, maybe McMahon.
That is a meat grinder for quarterbacks. It is, it is,
it's cold. That place is built to run the football
and play the Anything outside of that, I think you're
whistling Dixie.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Just saying the Giants, Cowboys, and Bears taking a step
forward in terms of the rams competition in the NFC
this year could be critically important.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
I understand the Cowboys, Giants, I just.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Right what the quarterback is going to be yet, So
they don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
They've given everyone else their top player. Like the Eagles
got another guy just went from the Giants at the
Eagles that can rush the quarterback. It's just like, hey,
you know what, don't worry about it. Just go to Philly.
We'll take well, we'll worry about it later. I know
a quarterback that was in New York.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Looking for a place there. I mean, you plug him
in to that offense, you could do work.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
You're instantly better. I don't know how good you're going
to be, but you're better. Yeah, he's not gonna no,
he can't make any they can't protect him. Yeah, he
has to the best place that I know is a
little off. The best place for him to go is
Pittsburgh because they have an offensive line in front, they
have those two guys with the outside. He'll be happy.
Just no media, well there's no media in Pittburg. Yeah,
think about that. No home studio. You're just a quarterback. Now,
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there you go.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Here's the year ten. I know you. Last year was
your twenty fifth anniversary, which was awesome to celebrates forty
of the Super just the rams of the championship. Here's
to year ten together. Love you guys, I love you guys. Awesome,
let's go. I love you guys, love you. Yes, it
is nice to be back. Thank you for your patience
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with us this offseason and for spending some time as
we get our mind locked back in for twenty twenty
five RAMS football. Maurice Jones Drew, DeMarco Farr j B
Long between the horns, always presented by your Southern California toy.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
The Dealers. Forty year old Maurice Jones drew, that's
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Right, next time we see him.
Well, good to see everyone. Welcome back to Between the Horns,
presented by your Southern California Toyo the Dealers. It is
the first day of spring. Thank you for taking a
break from your brackets to check in and catch up
with Maurice Jones, Drew and to Marco far Is.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It the first day of spring? I didn't know that.
I have no idea what time of year it is?
Free agency though.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, how are you guys?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I just feet out that March madness was going on. Wow,
good to see you guys. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Man, it's so happy to be back. It's it's fun.
It's great. Glad Nine's back in the building.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, I loved you on Good Morning Football.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Fun, so much fun. I was getting dressed right in
front of his locker every single day. Absolutely. You had
a great story too about seventy five, which is awesome,
great storytelling. Yeah, yeah, that was awesome watching.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Are those mornings though?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Alarm kind of harsh but fun. You get used to
it though. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The car ride in and they set me a car
to pick me up home. Yeah, I got you, oh
big time. Yeah, I missed those rights.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
You know, this is all just a ruse. We're not
really doing a show today. We've all just gathered to
celebrate the fortieth birthday of Maurice Jones.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh look at your yes, thank you, Happy birthday the club. Wow.
You know back was hurting yesterday. Yeah, I got a
couple more days, but is already feeling like forty You know,
you wake up like what happened? Why does my toe hurt?
But then it hurts here? This is all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Get ready to spray in the neck, putting on a belt. See,
strange things happen. That's why I'm trying to get.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Any plans that you can share with us. Uh, clearly
we weren't invited to whatever they.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
No, no, no plans yet. I am taking the family
to China this summer, so that's the big plan. Nice,
So I'll to celebrate there, I guess congratulation. Yes, you
made it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
There you go, another modish, old tone of sorts. DeMarco
clearly predates us, and we love his history with this organization.
But the start of year ten want to call out,
Wow for Maurice, for me for the rams backard in
Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Weird, weird, weird, weird, It's weird?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Is it weird?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Because it's gone fast, but it hasn't gone fast. And
it's been ten years, but it doesn't seem like ten.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
It's so funny. I remember our first year being in
New York and as going to the bar to watch
the college game. That felt like yesterday, but it was
ten years ago. How do those things just pop up?
All those are good moments? Are you going to finish
that story in there? That's why I stopped it there
and I just left it at that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I don't remember that bus ride to the metal. M
All right, Well, we're reminiscing before we get to free agency,
before we get to our updated hopes and expectations for
the draft. We're also going to talk a little bit
about the lay of the land in the NFC West.
We got to say for farewell to Cooper Cup and
just kind of revisit some of what was I think
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a great chapter in Rams history that unfortunately ends here
this offseason. You want to start with your reactions. I
know there's some water under the bridge, but when you
kind of realize that he was no longer going to
be a Ram and when you found out he would
be a Seahawk, big picture thoughts.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's what I'm meant by weird.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
It's been ten years and you know, coming this September,
it'll be the first time without Cooper Cup, and that's
going to be strange. I guess not the first time,
but it's gonna be weird to not have him out there.
And that was the toughest thing when we got the
rundown for what we were about to do. Your favorite
Cooper Cup moment. I mean, my god, how do you
get beyond the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Right? You know what I mean? Or which era are
we talking about? The GoF era or the Stafford era?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Because he was pretty dominant with both guys, But it
seemed like when nine got here, Matthew Stafford, Cooper Cup,
they owned that front right pylon.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
That was their thing.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
But there's so many someone he catches it some when
he's just blocking someone, he's getting guys lined up. There's
so many Cooper Cup memories. It's just going to be
weird not to see him in a RAMS uniform.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah. I think that's the nature of this business, right,
And that's the one thing that you hate because you've
seen a player grow in front of you. You've seen
a player go from a third round pick to a
leader of a team, a captain of a team to
a super Bowl champion. The one play that does uh
they hits me is when he's playing the Saints and
he kindt like a uh option rout and made a
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move and I was like, oh man, he got some juice.
And JB was like, why, why don't you think he
has juice? I was like, well, JB, you know why
I don't think he has juice.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
But we can't talk about the Marshon Latimore stiff on.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, what he shook about four or five guys.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I was number two on my list.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
There see, there you go. I just it was the
energy that he brought. And then I'll say the last
one for me was the one where he was out
of character. You always talk about Cooper company out a character.
If you remember in the super Bowl, it was either
the Super Bowl, the NFC.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Champion going, that's number three on my list. Where he
gets up and he's like, ah, he roared, Yes, he
roared in celebration.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Unbelievable. Those are the two things that were that that
hit me when I think of Cooper.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Because he scored a couple of touchdowns in that game
and that was special. He scored twenty two touchdowns that year,
I think, and never did anything except hand the football
to the official ball. But when he caught that third
down in three and brought the Rams into what proved
to be game winning field goal range, he knew and
vicariously we knew where that was heading. Man. That gives
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me chills just thinking about it. Yes, you know what
number one on my list was, which is crazy because
of the game? No, that was that was right up there.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, although that would fit the theme.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
The Tampa Yes, because my theme was none of them
were touchdowns, which is crazy. None of my favorite memories,
as I try to get past, like the Super Bowl
and the Deal, were touchdown catches. And the one that
he dropped as a rookie in the Coliseum against the Seahawks,
I think was a defining moment for him and for
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the Sean McVay era and the Rams that came to
pass that year and beyond what you think.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That was at the goal post, right straight up, right
right up the scene, and it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Was like, Okay, if he can withstand that, if he
can spin that around, if the Rams can not like
let that moment define their first Sean McVay year. Then
a lot of good things are going to happen in
this chatter.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Remember that game again Minnesota in the coliseum where the
Vikings were trying to cover. Yeah, well they were trying
to cover like Cooper Cup with linebackers.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, like, hold on, relax, I'm just saying it shouldn't
have been that.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I get it your adherence to Tampa too, but it's
clearly not working. But yeah, just so many memories, yes,
big time.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And the rotating cast of characters around them. Like we're
going to talk later in this show about the latest
edition of what eleven personnel might look like for the
twenty twenty five rams. But think of the running mates
that he had and that he was kind of the
the nucleus that made it all work.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean, I just remember the way Robert Woods played
Sammy Watkins. We talked about like there was so many
Brandon Cooks, There were so many guys that came in
and played a certain role in this offense. But the
all one consistent was Third and Cup, no doubt that
was they come in to go, Hobs, they come and
they go.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I'll never forget that first training camp too, and we
won't mention who it was that kind of split out
with them. But seeing a rookie in his first summer
make an adjustment for teammate at the line of scrimmage,
you can understand why McVeigh and company quickly decided, Okay,
this is someone we have to build around and sooner
rather than later.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
As a sea I hope he doesn't turn into Steve
Largent up there, because he might, because you've given him
everything he needed. You're doubting him again. Remember what he
was like in high school when every Pac ten school
or Pac twelve school passed on him because they didn't
think he could play at the next level. What did
he do to every Pac twelve team he played?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Destroyed him? So you've given him what he wanted, and
I hope he doesn't turn in the Largent.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So you're saying underestimating keeper Cup is kind of the
quintessential ingredient and what he's become.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
As of course, yes, I think if you look at
what they're doing up there too, it fits right. It's
going to be a very similar system.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Sorry to interrupt you, but you're like one of the
few people who's used those words so far with it
fit to the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Good for Sam Darnold to have that guy up there.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, I think a lot of people are criticizing that
quarterback receiver from what they had before. Correct and in isolation,
I can justify just about every choice they've made. Yeah,
And that's kind of the wild card that they have
up their sleeve right now. It's clearly Koobiak and Cup
and you know they have a vision. I just don't
know what that vision.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I've talked to, I've talked a lot of their coaches
up there. I know what that vision is. The vision
is going to be. They won ten games last year
and didn't make the playoffs because they couldn't run the football.
They couldn't they couldn't control the line of scrimmage. Their
whole goal this year in Seattle is a control line
of scrimmage and takes shots down the field. I personally
thought Stefan Diggs was gonna go there right wow, because
again Kubiak was in Minnesota, same offense, similar quarterback to
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case Keenum and kind of what they did there. But
Cooper Cup going there now with js in and who
else they.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Do you mout wide?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I remember wide in their twenty one packages. Yes, they're
gonna be a twenty one team. They're not going to
be an eleven. There'll be a twenty one team. Then
they'll move to eleven and that's when you're gonna see
the option routes. But he's gonna be an outside guy
running those deep ends. They love deep ends, right, and
that's what you're gonna see a lot of those ones
that he caught early in Jared's career.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What do you think of Seahawks rams at SOFI Week one?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
As an opener, Yes, it has to be yes standing
O for the man too. Yes, really show your appreciation, absolutely,
show your appreciation standing oh, and then get after me.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
That's what he's gonna do. I don't know about standing out.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Schedule releases for a show somewhere down the line in
the future after the draft. Here on between the horns.
This one is about free agency mostly, and I thought
it would make sense if we kind of just continued
the chronology, right because I think there's a story to
be told and woven through. You know, how many weeks
has it been so we got together six or so,
whatever it's been, and it all starts with what I
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think of is like the February flow chart right, Because
I've said this before on this show and others. Every
off season begins with the question do you have the
quarterback with whom you can win a super Bowl? And
then yes and know off that tree lead to different
decision points. And I think every season since what February
of twenty eighteen, like after the first McVeigh, you're every
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off season for us, that answer has been yes. And
it continues with another go around with Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I think it was great. I think it was smart.
I'm glad both sides came to their senses and ended
this thing quickly. Never thought he would leave the building,
but you never know. Is the business of football. The
benefit is right, you have a super Bowl caliber quarterback
coming back. You have your leader coming back. Also, you
can hit the ground running come OTAs in many camps
and your weight training program. You don't have to introduce
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new you don't have to download a new offense, get
people used to everyone.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
He knows everyone. Having Stafford back in the building, keeping
him in the fold, I thought was huge. Your first
game could almost act as Game twenty from last season,
pick up right where you left off from Philadelphia. You
were that close.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Now take it to OTAs in many camps and continue that.
So I thought it was huge getting him back through
these doors.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, I think I always think of it when you
talk about having that consistency. Watching a TV show like
say Game of Thrones, for example, you have to wait
a whole year for the next that next season to
come around. And that's what you have if you have
a new quarterback. Where if it's a movie, right, that
movie's played out through one situation. And so to me,
when you don't have to have a new offense, you
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don't have to learn your quarterback. You don't have to
learn what they do best. You don't have to know
you know, he knows everything here, and then you can
implement other pieces to help really make him a better player.
If if if that's what we're talking about. Obviously we'll
get to that a little bit. But getting that piece
that that that key piece that cogged to your engine,
that that that that starter, whatever you want to call it,
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that's going to be the most important thing. Because he
touches the ball every play, right, Sean knows how he
likes plays called. He knows how Sean likes him. So
many times we've seen the back and forth of like, Okay,
I got, I got, I know what you want. If
it's a new quarterback, that's a completely different deal, right,
And then that pushes you back a little bit. I
think DeMarco, you hit it right where you don't have
to learn anything now, it's just we're going and calling.
(11:58):
We're a week seven now, right, we're working on week
seven stuff here in OTAs instead of day one install.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Given all that you said, though, I still think there's
a lot of branches off this tree where the Rams
can go offensively, you know what I mean by that?
Like we've seen them play different styles of football with
Matthew Stafford and with this reconstituted offense that we're going
to talk more and more about the course of this show.
Could we see more drop back game? Sure, you go
back to that. Could we go to what you call
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the Bible, that's where you gotta go. You could don't
have to.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Well, I feel like that's what we did. We will
not we but that's what they did towards the end
of the season. Yep. Right, we went back to well
you know where twenty seventeen eighteen where the Rams were
high flying, scoring points and it really started against Seattle,
but I think we're having it was just it was
just a lot of run, play action, pass right, making
sure that you're having eye violation on the other side,
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drop back pass, there's no eye violations.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I bet I wouldn't mind letting him drop back and
do his thing, depending on who I'm playing and how
he's playing that day.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, the feelings you've assembled for him, but essentially this
season zooming out a bit. I think in the four
year Stafford experience here, you've had two years where you
won because of Matthew Stafford, the Super Bowl year, and
then I think twenty three, which was sneakily one of
his best seasons. He had one year where he didn't
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win at all because things went sideways and he was
hurt in twenty two, and then last year felt like
a winning with Matthew Stafford year. He wasn't as good,
I don't think performance wise as twenty one or twenty three,
but he was still one of the ten best quarterbacks
walk in the face of the Earth. Big moments, yeah,
huge with big moments. And so I'm curious what the
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twenty five edition of that looks like. And I appreciate
the poise with which the Rams as an organization. It's
kind of the patient, sober mindset where they made their
preference known that they're not willing or or they don't
want to close this chapter, but if it has to
go that way because of what they've done the last
couple of off seasons. There is a future coming beyond
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Matthew Stafford that's gonna be okay, just like there is
beyond Cooper cup.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I think when I think of what the Rams did,
and it reminds me of that Denver Broncos with John
Elway late in his career. Right John could still throw
the ball all around the yard, but he was old
like can't get hit. We don't need you to get
taken these shots. We want you to be able to
be Matthew Stafford in moments, in that Matthew Stafford moment,
if there is a third and eight that we need
you to get like there was against afrigat was a
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buffalo where two two at well comes with that is
your moment, Shine, But you can't be the young gun
slinger that you've always been because one, we don't want
you taking those shots, and two this team is built
completely differently. They're built to control the line of screeners.
We're built to take over games. And then, like I said,
in those moments, when there's time to take shots, we'll
take those shots and we'll show it all the time I.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Played those that Denver buzz Saw tough, it wasn't about Elway,
was about that run game. And then when you finally
have that sewed up, Oh yeah, that's Lway back there
that can throw them all well. So if you want
to build that level of a run game all for it,
it's hard to stop. It's impossible to stop, especially when
you got that guy. But easier said than done. So,
but having him at quarterback, I think there's so many
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things you can do in your offense.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And everything we talk about from here on out is
downstream of that decision, right because the moment you know,
Matthew Stafford's coming back, the moment that Maurice Jones Drew
goes to work as Alaric Jackson's eight second agent, what role.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Do you play? I feel like, you know, just in
the building, I just kind of I spe you out
little things and they stick the wall. So like Alec
Jackson needs to get paid, what are we doing? Did
you put that out there. I've said it a couple
of good podcast good. That's awesome. I tell people all
the time. And we were just talking about beforehand. You know,
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when you listen to his story in college, Trisan Wurfs,
who's making all the money and all this, couldn't beat
him out at left tackle? All right? This guy was
a top five pick, signed multiple deals, a stable in Tampa.
Couldn't beat this young man out, and you get him
as an undrafted rookie like, okay, there's something there. We
got to figure it out. And then you finally put
him in and we talked about it JB. When he
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came back after the two game suspension, that was it.
We didn't hear anything about left tackle anymore. The first
couple of games. It was like whoa right? And I
think that showed his worth to the to organizations because
if you go back to was it twenty three, he
was awesome, like he had played really well and he
was one but he blocked Miles Garrett one on one,
Like he's a guy that you don't need to help
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all the time. If that makes it.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
No, he's a good left tackle, he really is. And
like I was thinking about this on the way over.
You have been given a gift, you have been paid
big money. Now you can just work on your craft.
So this is just a personal thing. I would tell
the all young dudes, don't buy anything, buy the big
house when you make all pro. But right now you
have been afforded the ability to just work on your
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game and not worry about whether I'm going to be
here or not.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
You used a couple of words there that I'm honing
in on. Good mm hm. This is a paid to
be good contract. This is a pay to be great contract. Yes,
and I'll pro right like. Whether or not you get
the actual Wikipedia recognition not important to me. But can
you step into that upper echelon because I like where
the Rams are at left tackle, because there are going
to be prospects drafted at the end of this cycle
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and at the end of April who are twenty three
and even twenty four years of age. Alyric's going into
his age twenty seven season with multiple years of starting
experience in this system and for system, I mean head coach,
offensive coordinator, position room coaches like I think that bodes
really well. Now, I don't know if they make that investment.
If Matthew Stafford is not a Ram currently. Maybe they do,
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maybe they don't, but it was very much the next
logical step once you committed to Stafford.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, I agree, you have to protect his blindside. We've
seen this game, right, and I think that's if you
go back to week one, Week two, you've seen what
Stafford would he could be if he doesn't have a
left tackle, which was he was still making plays. It
was pretty much chaos. He felt so much more comfortable
when Jackson got back at the left tackle spot that
you can see I saw personally call he was much
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more calm in the pocket. I remember it was. It
was it might have been the Detroit Lions game Week
one where he like spun, he like dropped back and
spun because he felt Hutchinson on him right away. Right
He couldn't even get back and look at that he
was already knowing the rush was coming. You can't play
quarterback that way. So you get your quarterback, you get
his protector. Now we can start to move on and
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fix other things.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Let's stay on the offensive line for what I think
has the potential to be go ahead and said the
most impactful move the Rams make this off season and
it's a subtle one, it's not a flashy one. From
the first snap in Detroit into the last snap in Philadelphia,
I think the rams inability to get the interior of
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their offensive line letter perfect cost them the chance to
win what Week one cost them the chance to host
the NFC Championship Game. So while I I think you
have something really nice in bo Limmer, I am not surprised,
speaking only for myself, to see them bring back Coleman
Shelton because committing to Matthew Stafford I think means recommitting
to getting that right pre and post snap in a
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way that maybe we didn't appreciate how much Coleman.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Was doing, no doubt, And as soon as I saw
when he was when Coleman Shelton was signed here, I
went back and looked. I think he's made forty seven
starts in the last three seasons.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I don't think he's coming here to back up. I
think I think he's coming here to compete for a job.
And I thought the word you were trying not to
use was controversy. I don't mind that competition even works better.
So if Limber can hold on to the spot, great,
that makes him a better center. If Shelton ascends to
the number one spot, great, that's an experienced center with
damn near fifty snaps fifty starts in three years. That's
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only going to help your offense. I think the biggest thing,
and Jamie we talked about it a little bit, was
the communication.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That was the c word. Competition is a good one,
but that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Carter, that's what you saw when you go back and
watch the Philadelphia Eagles game on that last drive, Carter
wasn't blocked because there was a lack of communication. You
have the center looking to help left and the right
guard looking to help right, and you got the guy
that's been disrupting everything right between them right and so
communicating and being on the same page as the offensive line.
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All those things are all about Matthew Stafford right, being
able to set that pocket where he can step up
in and see and make those throws. That's going to
be important. And you saw even though I thought bo
Limber played lights out, I thought he did an awesome
job and physically was there, but because he's a rookie,
the communication was lacking right. And in the NFL, I've
always again talked play with a bunch of coaches and
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coached by a bunch of guys. They all said the
same thing. Communication is key. There is no communication that's
in everything, relationships, life. If you can't communicate, there's no
success that's going to happen. So you're got to get
one of the better communicators at center in your system
back a starter.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, I think probably the name in the early years
of this era that we don't talk nearly enough about,
John Sullivan.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Oh my god, Sully. Yeah. Man, until the legs gave out,
he was great.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And then the Super Bowl season people don't remember. You
kind of got a Pro Bowl season out of Brian Allen.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You did.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
And then again like things happened with Coleman Shelton in
that place.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So what's the most important thing about Coleman Shelton.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
He went to your he's a husky.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
There you go. Communication. Here you go.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
As great a football communicator as he is. He's a
man of very few words though, so he may not
say it at the podium, but he'll say it. I
promise we're going to get the DeVante Adam to stand by.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
But if you check the tape from our season finale
edition of Between the Horns, I forget what.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
We called it.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
One of our closing thoughts was if the goal, if
the ambition this offseason is to get faster and more
explosive at the skill positions, then how can you let
the fastest, most explosive skill player that you have get
out of the building and you know that we're all
to two stands here on this set. Good to have
two to two at will back because now that you
see the vision, I don't think he can do it
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without someone of his explosiveness.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I just don't know how he's He's literally wide open
all the time, like, regardless of what goes on, the
fact that every time Stafford throws in the ball, there's
five yards or more in between him and the next
defender tells me he should have been here.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And I get the criticism or the caution will they
use him? Will they use them?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Criticism?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, I think this contract says their planning years.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's always weird defending to to because you would think
that he can't play. He can play. He's a really
good receiver. They just didn't use him a lot. I
think that might change now. When you guys look up
receiver stats, what numbers do you look at touchdowns will
be number one. Yards what about yards per catch? Sure
he's up over thirteen. I mean that's Jamar Chase. I'm
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on Saint Brown is at ten.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
And that's not baking in the past interference penalties that
he draws. Otherwise the number.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Would be he can play. So I hope, like I
said to to stays healthy. He did last year one
of I think there were two receivers that were healthy
for all seventeen. He was one of them, including the
playoff game. So tough as nails. I hope he gets
used in a way that you could he could show
off that speed.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I still think they were trying to figure out how
to utilize him too, because there was you started seeing
him aout motions, but towards the end of the season
he started becoming running dig routes. I mean, he did everything.
And so to me, when I think it's hard when
you have Cooper Cup who runs a lot of the
intermediate routes, and then you only put him in a
position to say, hey, you're going to be the deep guy.
But also DeMarcus Robinson's going to be that guy too,
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and also Puka's going to have his deep shots too,
So your reps are going to come down. Now you're
kind of being in a position to be able to
do everything again with obviously the addition.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Of the next guy we'll talk about, all right, go ahead,
you talk about him first.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah. I think Davante Adams is the Krim Dela Krim
of release game. And one of the issues that the
Rams have had is getting off of press and getting
off of releases. As of late, it wasn't like younger
younger years, you have the motions and guys are finding ways.
But now you have an X receiver in the tight
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red zone where you can say here, run a slant
or run a fade, or here we can put you
a slot and you can run that option route and breakout.
And we have a guy you could do so much
more with him because of his releases and how physical
he is as a wide receiver. And then he still
has the ability to stretch the field if you need
him to to get one A, one B type of receivers.
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And I and again people are gonna say, well, Cooper Cup,
and you're right, but I think Cooper Cup's ability to
not be available over the last couple of seasons it's
hurt him where DeVante Adams has been available over the
last couple of seas. Wow, if you're trying to compare
the two, I'd say DeVante Adams is more dynamic than Cooper.
I don't know. I mean, that's hard. I don't even
want to go there.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
But guy, as a future Hall of Famer, we don't
have to compareison.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
But I'm with you he is.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
He presents too many unanswered questions in press coverage because
I haven't seen anybody jam him off.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The line yet.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And I talked to him on the radio and I
didn't know he was a basketball player. So all this
stuff that we're seeing his point guard stuff, I'm like, Oh,
that's why it looks so familiar. That's why he gets
so open. But when I started thinking about him, I
started thinking about the red zone and how many times
the Rams actually attacked that back pylon. I think that
might change now with Davonte Adams. There's so many options
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with him in the open field from twenty to twenty
and twenty in that's going to make you a better offense.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I've already heard that this is the closest the Rams
have had to since OBJ got it figured out in
the second half of that season, right, I could see
some of that big time. But the name that came
to mind for me is this is the closest thing
they've had since Sammy Watkins year because of the words
that you mentioned, which were red zone. Yeah, I think
the way they operated with Sammy Watkins. I'm not saying
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they're going to use the same blueprint, but I think
you could get the same efficiency on short fields that
you had because that, to me, was what Sammy Watkins
did best. And they had eight touchdowns that year.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Sammy couple had had like the courage of all thousand men. Yeah,
facing gun because like he would run right in the
middle of it and just catch the ball.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
And then even though like you know, throwing the fade
ball is no longer in vogue, it's not like a
high percentage football play. If you were to come up
with a short list of guys to whom it's worth
throwing fadeballs, this guy's on that list.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
But I also think this, Jamie, when you get inside
the five, there's only so many routes that you can run, right,
it's either crossing routes on the front of the goal
line or back in line. But if I could put
everybody to one side Davante one on one and not
see a safety there and say here, what off of
the levers that he's playing. Yeah, you better have an
all program or have a chance to win that.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
In our time together, we've seen some great trios in
that huddle. I think for me, cup Woods Cooks was
like the best that it ever fit together. But if
you're going to have to be able to run with
two two, stick to Devonte Adams and tackle Puka ten
to twelve times per game, there's a good luck element
to that, And I wonder what your coverage options are
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as a defense. That's how the Rams break the huddle.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
You better have a pro bowler somewhere. Yeah, you're gonna
one on one with somebody, well, I think I think, Look,
there's two things you It's two ways to slices. Either
you're gonna play coverage and let Stafford sit back there,
so you better have a tremendous pass rush. Right, you're
gonna play cover two zone and he's gonna find the
soft areas and hit guys in the in the in
the in the soft air on his own. Or you're
gonna play man. Somebody's then they're gonna get ran off.
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You're gonna run a crossing routes. It's gonna make Adding
these pieces forces the game for Sean McVay to be
so much more simple in the passing game. It doesn't
have to be design all this stuff. It's gonna be okay,
as a manner zone. If it's man, we're gonna do this.
If his zone's gonna do that with a QB that
can get it there. Yeah, with velocity.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
What's it mean for Jay Witt? Have you thought at
all about year two for him? Given the companies keeping.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
He's got a good role, don't you. I think he
has a great role. Team's uh the part time receiver.
I think he's Pooka. He's Pookah number two.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, yeah, right, So he'll come in the better he does,
the more perceptions he gets, more targets he gets.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
But yeah, he's got a role.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It doesn't change my appetite for another pass catcher in
this draft class, perhaps as early as twenty six? Does
that change anything for you?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Would never say no, I don't. Twenty six is a
tough place to pick. It's not like thirty two, or
it's not like.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Twenty Okay, fair right, like say that for later.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, but it's tough.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You would not be surprised. I'm not surprised if the
Rams fortify that room.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Maybe I would be surprised. You would. They went and
drafted a receiver one and I would one drops at one? Yeah,
at one.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, I'm not necessarily saying that one. Although Tetua McMillan's
four five forty did have me thinking.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
If t Maac falls that O, Lord have mercy, then
I'm gonna run the I'm gonna run it up to him, to.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Him, sorry to Marco. We may get through all this
no discussion. I know the player that you want to
talk about, because I think I texted you as soon
as the Punaford contract. Yeah, his finalized that I I
celebrated on behalf of Kobe Turner. Am I wrong to
be thinking along those lines?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It depends on how he likes playing the five or
which guy do you have playing the five? Because I
would have Fisk at the three because he's a good
pass rusher. So you got to put Kobe somewhere, So
that would be the Michael Brockers five spot, tough against
the run, straightened out against the pass, and be active,
but with all due respect, and I have to respect
the position more than the players and the name on
the back of the jersey. Pooniford is an upgradedt nose tackle,
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he really is. So there's three ways you could judge
good nose tackles. You could look at his tackle stats.
If he's got sixty six tackles, he's obviously making plays.
If he's got forty four, look behind him. If the
guys behind him are up over one hundred, that means
he's doing his job. Another way is when you see
that guy shaded over the center to the right side
or the left side, especially snaphand. If that guy doesn't
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get cut off ninety percent of the time, he's a
damn good nose tackle. When you watch poon a Ford,
it never happens. He breaks down and diagnoses blocks like that.
He will absolutely destroy your run game. For the first
six or seven weeks of this year. Of last season,
when he was in a Chargers uniform, I don't think
they had a run that broke for over twenty yards
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all because of what he was doing in the middle.
This is a definite upgrade for this entire defense. It
will get you the obvious passing downs faster, which is good.
It sets you up for Verse Fisk and Kobe Turner.
This is an upgrade on defense.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So you say that, I just remember going to Seattle
and him just destroying the deer in the line, Like, okay,
so why can't we find this guy? And I thought
last year the Rams would try to make a play
for him, but it didn't happen, and so it's all good,
but to get him in the middle. I believe you're
exactly right, and I don't. I thought Bobby Brown did
a really good job and he showed up big in moments.
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This more consistency would put afford and I think because
of his stature, it's gonna be harder for o' lineman
to get after. I played with the guy by the
named Roy Miller out of University of Texas. Roy was
like five eleven, three hundred and thirty five pounds, very
similar to putting forward, and he was like, I can
beat every cinner that's over six foot, Like, if you're
six to three, I can get I'll get under your automatically.
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It's the little centers that give me the problem. And
there's not many of those guys in the game today.
There's not gonna be mini centers like Brian Allen that
we had here that are shorter, squadier guys, and so
that's where you're going to dominate. He'll be able to
two gap, he gets sacks out of that. Whatever you want,
yeahever you want, he could do it all he is
and he has, say.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yes, perfect size for nose cycle. You got to come
down there to block him.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And you look at the competition within the division. These
are not finalized rosters in Seattle or San Francisco. I
get it, but there are some deficiencies across the NFC
West on the interior of the offensive line right now,
and I think that's an area we'll see those opponents
address sooner rather than later. But it's nice to feel
that you've got an advantage in the trenches going up
against the opponents that you're gonna play twice per year.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
And we mentioned Coleman Shelton and what happened in that
playoff game and what else happened in that playoff game.
Saquon got out at gosh about four or five times
both in both games. So sew that up and like
you said, force them to throw. You've got guys that
can get there.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I'm not surprised to hear you say that whoever's playing
off ball linebacker behind him is a winner in this signing.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
M hmm, yeah, well, I mean that's the thing. I mean,
it depends on who that guy is, but I mean
he is going to take up to he is not
going to be out of his gap, and he makes
everybody better. That's the thing that I like most about
him coming out of the charge. Everywhere he's been, every
coach raves about him making other people better. So that
could be the guys behind or the guys lining up
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right next to.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Him, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Continuing the theme, I think the Rams doing a very targeted,
efficient job at addressing what you would qualify as needs
before the draft puts him in a great position turning
towards the spring. And I think that puzzle was completed
this week with a Kella Witherspoon back for more at corner,
because when you look at the cards that the Rams
can play off that deck at that spot, A Kello,
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Darius Kobe, Derrionn Kendrick coming back healthy. Saw him today
at the facility. A couple of rookies they like in
Josh Wallace and Charles Woods and do not forget about
a former number one pick and Emmanuel Forbes who they
threw a dart with in the middle of last season,
and they'll almost certainly later into that group. I get it.
But you could do worse going into OTAs than that
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group returning that corner. Oh oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I mean, I don't know what if Keller Wismom was
like drinking acid and eating razor blades last year, but
he had it become a physical player, yeah, and that
physicality really took his game to the next level. I
thought Darris Williams going there just being a guy where
he's supposed to be all the time. That interception against
the Niners is still that game. That is what you
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get from Darres. He's always going to be where he's
supposed to be, and he'll gamble and take a chance
when he knows it's there and it's right. But he's
always where he's supposed to be. And when you have
two cores that can do that, you can then allow
other guys to feel in. Kobe Durant comes in and
becomes this you know, that playoff game crazy like you know,
interceptions and getting sacks and it just the way they
play together. And if you do add to that, there's
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already competition in this room. If you do add to that,
it's only going to make it better. And I only
think that that secondary works because of what you did
with the defensive line though, oh no doubt.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
But it's funny when you see players and I talked
a lot about a Kello and when you see the
light come on physically, you can see it how the
game just slows down and he gets more and more confident,
like I can make this play, I can step in front.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
It's not luck. He's actually saw it. He made the play.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
So but I wouldn't be shy about adding talent to
that room at all, especially if I could add premium
talent to that room.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So be it. In my opinion, you can never have
enough good coins.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Well, that's a position where any chance you get to
add premium talent. But I think you can take it
with an eye towards contributing in twenty five, starting in
twenty six, differently than if you didn't have a Kello Witherspoon.
I don't know, if you didn't have a Punaford signed
and free agency, you might have to operate differently come April.
Even Nate Lanman signing this week. Special team's depth perhaps
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linebacker depth for sure played in a adjacent system in Atlanta.
I think another shrewd move tackling machine, underrated coverage ability
generates takeaways, and Ronnie Rivers back as well.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Speaking of special team's depth and another running back option,
all right, I want to talk some draft.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
How have the last few weeks shaped your thinking about
what the Rams are going to attempt to do in
a month's time.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Uh, I've been looking at inside linebackers.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Okay, is that fair?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
At what? What round? Any round?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I'm just looking at the depth of field of inside
linebackers and adding some quickness and some speed there. I
mean when you look at the roster, I mean I
know you're you. You mentioned tight ends, right.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
And if I haven't yet, I'll say it now.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Oh my bad?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Okay, well yeah, just but when you look at the
roster the way it is now, I guess the biggest
hole would be at inside linebacker. You could add more
talent there. So that's what I've been looking at. Outside
of corners. I don't think you need pass rushers running
back you might be set quarterback, receiver maybe so so
definitely looking on the defensive side, and at linebacker.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You always can add pass rushers. Always like to me
at the position, I look at it as what I
would do. Whatever I do at twenty six determines what
the rest of this draft is going to be. If
there is a dominant or pastors that I feel comfortable with,
I'm gonna take them because I have space for a
guy like that where Michael Hoyt left. Yeah, I can
implement him there right, or pass protection or tackle right.
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I think you need another tackle to go in and
be able to work behind Havenstein. As he gets going
and he gets older, you want to have his replacement there,
and you always want to build in the trenches. I
think then you look to off ball linebacker maybe fourth
or fifth round later this guys again, athletic guys that
can run, because we don't need a guy that's going
to be a traditional three to four hit the guard,
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but the gard up you have those guys taking up
in front. I need guys that can cover and run.
Tight End is always there, but like see, the problem
with me is tight ends a position. If you don't
have the top two guys, you can wait right and
then that And that's that's very different from pass rusher, right,
because I think pass rusher, you want those top guys
because it's a big difference between the other guys, right
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and so, and I still think, yeah, you're looking for
a running back. I'm still want to add to that
running back room. I want to I want to continue
to add to that.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
You've done your homework. This is reputed as a great
running back draft on all three days. How does it
shake out in your estimation?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
It's it's a there's a lot of guys that fit
the system that we run. There's a lot of guys
that fit the outside zone systems you see in San Francisco,
we'll see in Seattle. Though, there are those guys. I
think you could get those guys. To me, this is
a draft of there's probably seven guys that I can
say are day one, Day two guys that can fit
most systems. There's four that can fit every system that
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would if you're a running back away like a Philly
was last year. If you feel like we just need
a running game, there's three dudes in this draft that
can be that guy for you. Really, at least.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Three because of what the Rams have done in recent weeks.
I don't think there's a position group that would surprise me,
you know, come that last weekend in April. In terms
of the day one opportunity, I tend to think because
of the premium value, you got to go for a
premium position there, and that means pass throwers, pass catchers,
pass rushers, or pass defenders. Those are typically the four
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categories that I look for in a first round pick.
But I love the time on task for this group
right front office coaching staff, because I think last year
was really informative. Were any of us sitting here twelve
months ago saying they gotta have Jared Verse. If there's
any path to Jared Verse, they got to take it.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I don't know the other guy, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But then six quarterbacks go and fourteen straight offensive players go,
and next thing you know, you're sitting there like drafting
in your top five in terms of your defensive board,
and you end up with not just one defensive rookie
of the year, but two. For all intents and purposes.
I don't know that that same formula is going to
work this year, but I do think there's a privilege
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to being patient that who knows, Like maybe at twenty
six the quarterbacks that someone's interested in is still there.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
That would surprise me.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And a quarterback needy team that doesn't want to sleep
on Thursday night without knowing who their next option is
picks up the phone like that would be ideal because
to me, the gap, I think it's like sixty picks
between twenty six and ninety that's too much. That's too
much for my liking to not have a second round.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Wow, which quarterback may slip the twenty six dark dark?
You know what's funny? It reminds me of what Baltimore
did with Lamar Jackson that year. Yea, all those quarterbacks
went and Lamar was still sitting there, and then Baltimore
creeps up and goes and gets them, all of them.
You can see that as well. You can see that
ability happening. Man. That is a lot of picks.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
That's a lot of picks, a lot of players off
the board. I think the only thing that would surprise
me is if you draft a punter.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
But no, that's different.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
It is nice going into your offseason feeling like you
know who your specialists are. That's a good feeling. Do
you guys, mind taking a quick lap around the NFC
West because obviously you're kind of watching the Niners, the Seahawks,
and the Cardinals go through their offseason.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Hold on, did you see Ethan Evans squat on video?
Did you?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Did?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
You? Did you? Did you see that? I did?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I thought he was told to stop doing that.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
That's the punter.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I'm sorry, squatting like seven hundred pounds too much. That's ridiculous. Okay, sorry,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Uh pick a team you want, Niner, Seahawks, Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Where do you want to score? Niners? First? Yeah? Is
the window closed? It might be you gotta pay you
gotta pay your quarterback now. Yeah, it's an all fucking games? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
How about the purging of this Super Bowl roster? Debo Banks,
Hard Grave, Floyd greenlaw Ward Funga, even Mason.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
There's rumors up there that I may be on the
on the trade block story.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I don't know, though, don't forget the fourth place schedule.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
That's the thing, the fourth race. I mean I saw that. Wow.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I mean they play the Giants, Bears, Browns instead of Eagles, Lions, Ravens.
Just in terms of apples to apples.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
That's scheduleless number less. Yeah, happy happy, some of those
ram killers are gone and their old line is yesled
big time. Yes good. I don't know how to say it,
but good. I will say this the biggest one that
I was so happy about. And again I'm in the Bears,
all my friends and everyone's Niner fans. Debo, No, I
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love to keep debo. Oh green Laws not around. Oh yeah,
my goodness. When he came back on that Thursday night,
he had about seven hundred tackles in the first seven
it was like he was tackling everybody. Warner and green
Law dangerous. Yeah, I'm okay with Warner. Yeah yeah, but
both Yeah, remember we were It was like he made
every tackle for like twenty plays in a row. It
was like, okay in the first half, yeah, it was
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like this guy, we can't have this guy out in
New York.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
So let me jump to The Cardinals signed Josh Schwett
as kind of the Eagles makeover. In the Desert continues
Dalvin Tomlinson for to find their interior L J. Collier
and I think pick sixteen is will to go with
it and money still to spend. Why you cringing?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
They're they're building something down there. I don't know what
it is. They fixed last year with the three tight
ends and the physicality on offense and they kind of
started figuring something out then. Defensively, Dalvin Thompson scares me
because that is a big man in the middle. And
if you are building what you had in Philly, you
build it on the inside. You build literally from the
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inside out. You get two defensive tackles that have to
take up double team, so your edge guys can just
go that's all they want to do.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Sweat is one of the best edge guys out there.
Best edge guy they've had since Chandler Jones, I think
that or.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
The guy that we played in Week two.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Oh well yeah, yeah he went crazy because Jackson wasn't there.
But yeah, I mean, he might be their best edge
guy in years. So always a problem. The only thing
that you can't predict about Arizona is their quarterback. If
you catch Kyler when he's on, when he's on one,
he's almost unstoppable. But the problem is the bad when
(43:03):
call of duty is not on that right right right,
double time.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
You've got the gaming creds to say something.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I just I just I just I've just heard.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
I just heard, and I know we touched on the
Seahawks a little bit, but just to circle back again
in isolation, can I understand going from Gino to Donold,
especially given the offensive system change, the pick comp the money,
The money money sure huge.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Can you can you.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Make the case that DK isn't worth top three or
four wide receiver money? I get that, But did the
Seahawks get better so far this off season? I think
that's a difficult case to make.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
I don't think. I don't know if they got better
or not. But you're losing a lot of talent, but
you're also losing when they fired their o C. I
knew that whole thing was going to change yet right,
and you have to now build for whatever this OC wants.
And the only part about it is, you know how
it is in Seattle, like it's old wet that run
(44:01):
game when they were when Seattle's been at their best,
and they hear them talk about this, and I don't
know if you guys heard, they felt like they they
lost their home field advantage in Seattle when we was
Seattle always that was when you were handing the ball
to Marshawn Lynch and playing a crazy defense, and that's
what they're trying to get back to. So maybe they
have gotten better, right, well went out? Yeah, just because
(44:22):
they're they're switching up to their.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Mentality, getting back to that their identity. You know what
I thought. It seems like they are sweeping the last
of the Pete Carroll guys out the door. And this
is an entirely new thing we're doing here, and it
makes sense you want to put your own staff on
this football team. So yeah, did they get better or worse?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
We're going to see and loan behold piece back to
receive at least one of those getting Yes. I had
one other early thought on the NFC that I just
wanted to kind of plant this seat because I have
a feeling that's going to be a theme when we
start to get together next fall. I got three teams
that need to improve for the good of the Rams,
and you might not expect to hear these. I got
the New York Giants, the Dallas Cowboys, and the Chicago Bears.
(45:05):
Here's why the NFC East crosses over with the NFC North,
and those divisions produce five of the seven playoff teams
last year. So I need the Giants and the Bears
to take a game off the Niners. I need the
Cowboys to not let the Eagles and the Lions and
the Packers and Vikings win fourteen. I think they've taken
(45:27):
a nice step.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I think they've done a great job. Again, a lot
of teams are building that guard center, guard area. They
did an awesome job of doing that. And then you're
gonna probably add another running back, which rumor is gent
in the first round. Yeah, you get that. Now you
have your two headed monster, you have your receivers on
the outside.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
I've asked this before. Give me your greatest Chicago Bear quarterback.
Everybody goes down Cutler before or after maybe Cutler, maybe McMahon.
That is a meat grinder for quarterbacks. It is, it is,
it's cold. That place is built to run the football
and play the Anything outside of that, I think you're
whistling Dixie.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Just saying the Giants, Cowboys, and Bears taking a step
forward in terms of the rams competition in the NFC
this year could be critically important.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
I understand the Cowboys, Giants, I just.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Right what the quarterback is going to be yet, So
they don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
They've given everyone else their top player. Like the Eagles
got another guy just went from the Giants at the
Eagles that can rush the quarterback. It's just like, hey,
you know what, don't worry about it. Just go to Philly.
We'll take well, we'll worry about it later. I know
a quarterback that was in New York.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Looking for a place there. I mean, you plug him
in to that offense, you could do work.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
You're instantly better. I don't know how good you're going
to be, but you're better. Yeah, he's not gonna no,
he can't make any they can't protect him. Yeah, he
has to the best place that I know is a
little off. The best place for him to go is
Pittsburgh because they have an offensive line in front, they
have those two guys with the outside. He'll be happy.
Just no media, well there's no media in Pittburg. Yeah,
think about that. No home studio. You're just a quarterback. Now,
(46:58):
there you go.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Here's the year ten. I know you. Last year was
your twenty fifth anniversary, which was awesome to celebrates forty
of the Super just the rams of the championship. Here's
to year ten together. Love you guys, I love you guys. Awesome,
let's go. I love you guys, love you. Yes, it
is nice to be back. Thank you for your patience
(47:20):
with us this offseason and for spending some time as
we get our mind locked back in for twenty twenty
five RAMS football. Maurice Jones Drew, DeMarco Farr j B
Long between the horns, always presented by your Southern California toy.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
The Dealers. Forty year old Maurice Jones drew, that's
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Right, next time we see him.
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