Big Blue Kickoff Live 10/1 | Turning the Page to New Orleans

Madelyn Burke and Shaun O’Hara give some final thoughts on the Chargers game, turn the page to the New Orleans Saints, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Turning the page to New Orleans

16:00 - Calls

25:30 - Quarterback and Offensive line

35:10 - Gunner Olszewski

40:00 - The tight end room

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Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's Wednesday. After a victory Monday, So we want to
hear all of the enthusiasm, the excitement, everything that built
off of that win. What a special day that was.
We were there the postgame show. We did a lot
of hugs, a lot of high fives, a lot of
dance moves. It felt good.

Speaker 6 (01:27):
Yeah, it felt good.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
And you know what, very excited for Jackson Dart. What
a great rookie performance for him. He is the first
rookie to win his first career start against a team
that was three and our better.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:40):
Good for at the quarterback position.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
That's incredible stat future Trivia Free Giants fans out there.
An incredible performance from Jackson Dart. Obviously, you know, we'd
be remiss not to mention how unfortunate it is the
loss of the leak neighbors. He's out for the season
with a torn acl Incredible talent and just somebody who
we know is just to come back stronger and better

(02:03):
than ever. You know, Luckily he's still twenty two years
old and early in his career.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
It's the worst part of the game, the injuries, and
when you see a guy go down like that at
any level, and any player, you know, you hate that.
You hate to see that. We saw a lot of
that this week in the NFL. You know, Tyreek Hill
went down as well the other night, and it's just
it's the most gruesome part of this game, and you
hate that it happened, you know, to a young star

(02:29):
like Malikaighbors. But he will come back from this. And look,
we saw Saquon Barkley go through something like this, Daniel
Jones went through something like this. You know, it's a
long road to recovery. But if you're ever going to
do something like this, it's better to do it early
in the year than do it in November December. You know,
that is worth whatever it's worth. But I know that

(02:50):
the team rallied after that, and you know, look in
the in the NFL, it's always an opportunity now for
somebody else to step up. So there's gonna be great
opportunities for Slaton, for Bo Collins, for Wandell, for all
these guys to step up and try to kind of
absorb some of the impact of losing a guy like Malik.
But I think the team rolly around him. And Dabele said,

(03:12):
you know, look like we you know, we feel bad
for him. We have to go win games. Now and
so do it for leak and.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Perhaps we'll see, you know, a player from the practice
squad have an opportunity like Lil Jordan Humphrey, who was
the receiver of Jackson Dart's first touchdown in the preseason.
They've got some chemistry bruin already, or you know, some
other players who might make an opportunity for themselves in
this void. It is a next man up league and
next man up mentality, and there's going to be an
opportunity there. And we've also seen, you know, Cam Scattabuo

(03:38):
really secure himself as a reliable target in the passing
game and in the running game.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, and a lot of his reps are due to
Tyrone Tracy being hurt. So now all of a sudden
Cam has stepped up to the plate. So you know,
it'll be interesting to see who can do that. But yeah,
great point with little Jordan because he and Jackson Dart
in the preseason, I mean it was pitch and catch
who was like stock them alone? You know, it was
Starks and Ewing was it was kind of butting into

(04:04):
that good symbiotic relationship.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, and it's great energy to see this team coming
up a win like this the offense. You know, we're
talking about him a lot because Jackson Dart obviously making
his first career start. With the defense, you don't get
a win like that without the performance that that defense had,
the pressure they were getting on the quarterback, the pass
rush that they were putting out there. What did you like,
especially now that you've kind of gone back and watched

(04:28):
that tape, what do you like about what you've seen
from that Giants defense?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah? I thought the front was physical right out of
the gate. And look, coming into this game, we were
talking about the charters O line last week, Ray Shaun
Slater out for the year, Trey Pitkins was kind of
hobbled with a knee injury. He was questionable going into
the game.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
So Joe All left the game.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, I mean he went out early on with an
ankle sprain, so you know, even before he got hurt,
this was going to be the emphasis. Like our defensive line,
we felt like we had a leg up on them
and that was a mismatch in the Giants favor and
then Joe All goes down and now it's you know,
I feel like there were blood in the water and
they were getting after him. But I thought they did
a really good job getting pressure on Herbert. He never
got comfortable. Even when they didn't get a sack. It

(05:08):
was a quarterback hit, it was a pressure. I think
they had twenty pressures in the game, and pressures lead
to turnovers. Right. Obviously the Dexter Lawrence play where he
gets it to himself.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Down the doubled on that play too, like he literally
he's got two men on him, yeah, double team, and
he's like, all right, fine, let me just put a
hand up in ten.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Then he gets double team a lot. So that's kind
of where that's kind of where he that's his office,
that's where he lived. But one of the things they
used to frustrate us as offensive lineman is if you
stoned your guy one on one at the line of scrimmage,
you could have him locked up, but he all of
a sudden throws his hand up and bats the ball down,
and now you're getting a minus on your report card
or on your grades from the coach. And you know,

(05:47):
you come to the sideline, the coach say, get their
hands down. What are you supposed to do?

Speaker 5 (05:50):
You know, like, right, that's a holding call.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
That was decks are just making a heck of a play,
and I think he was just trying to knock the
ball down and it actually went up. And then he
made a heck of a play and a heck of
a run.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Tackled by Justin Herbert.

Speaker 6 (06:03):
Is the hilarious part of that pace.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
She knew he was coming, like you can see even
though he's stumbling, he was like, I'm so close. I
want to get there. So that would have been fun.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
That six.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Everybody loves the thick six. It's it's great whenever a
big man gets it. But Drew Phillips also had a
big interception as well. So when you have a defense
that's hitting the quarterback harassing, I'm getting after him. And
then also those create turnovers. So two turnovers and look
you basically hand the ball to the offense at the
one or two yard line. You got to punch those in.

(06:34):
You don't want to sell for the field goal. But
that is a great recipe for.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
A victory, right absolutely.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
And you know you talk about that red zone struggles
kind of continued still in this one. They found themselves
inside the five a couple of times. How to settle
for a field goal? How does this team address that?
Moving forward.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I think what we have seen already with Jackson Dark
just through one game, is that now the run game
is going to be an intro part of that red
zone offense. I think previously, you know, when they got
down in the red zone, it was kind of like
even if you try to run, it was more of
an obligatory rush, just we're going to run the ball
just to keep it somewhat balanced. But it wasn't a
real threat. I think now it's a true threat. And

(07:15):
now Jackson Dart's ability with the RPO and with his
ability as a quarterback designed run that makes things tougher
defensively to now all of a sudden have to defend
that because now you have an extra blocker. So usually
as a defense you always have one more guy because
you know nobody has somebody as the quarterback. But now

(07:35):
that is a whole new wrinkle, and I think you're
going to see layered plays off of that. So they've
already you know, he ran for that fifteen yard touchdown
on a quarterback draw in the game, They're going to
layer some things off of that as well. You're going
to find different ways. Now that was up the middle,
maybe now it's more of a perimeter run things that
they already had in the offense. We saw Daniel Jones

(07:55):
run some of those plays a couple of years ago,
and I think that will be a wrinkle too. But
I also think Cam Scataboo this is his forte before
Tyron Tracy got hurt. This is what he was going
to do. He was going to be the short yards,
the goal line, get those tough yards. I think the
one thing, and I've said this now this is the
second week. Now, I want to see Cam Skataboo in

(08:16):
the home position. What does that mean? I want him
behind the center, all right, quarterback can be underneath, which
Jackson Dart did not do a lot of. He is
more of a shotgun guy. Fine, you want the quarterback
in the shotgun put the running back behind him in
the pistol formation. Because camp Scataboo needs to get his
momentum going. If he gets downhill, his force and how

(08:36):
powerful he is, he will find a way to get
in the hole and he will find a way to
get in the end zone. But when you put him
next to the quarterback, you shrink his running lanes. So
I want to see him in the home position. I
think that will benefit him and it will give the
offensive line more time to get that vertical push before
they have to peel off. For the second level defenders.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
Well, and also if you're behind the quarterback, it's like
when you put second somebody shows you the line. You
know you're behind quarterback. You see kind of what the
field is coming together as from their perspective rather than
kind of off angle.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, and it definitely helps their vision. Now all right,
I'm seeing the whole defense. I'm seeing everything, and when
you put them to the side. As a defense, you're
you're kind of restrictive. If he's run back to your right.
As a defender, you know he's not coming all the
way over here. So it's kind of like, all right,
he's going to be in this front side a gap
or cutting back. And now I think that makes it

(09:26):
easier on the defense. So, uh, those are a couple
of things. And then you know, look, I think THEO
Johnson was the recipient of the shovel pass, but I
think that his role in the red zone can grow
as well. And now you can you can layer things
off of that motion. We saw Jackson Dart in the
preseason score on a kind of a similar play like

(09:47):
he you know, faked that toss and then threw the
ball to THEO Johnson on a touchdown play Now was
the shovel pass. But I think that play action, just
that little movement moves the linebackers just a little bit,
which creates different throwing lanes, so that that red zone,
when you can create a little bit of space like that,
it helps. And when the ball comes out quickly and
on time, that is paramount in the red zone. And

(10:07):
I thought Jackson dar did a really good job of
getting the ball out quickly on a lot of those
quick throws. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yeah, And I mean it's one of those things too,
when you're trying to build off of this these teachable
moments to grow, it's so much easier, correct if I'm
wrong to be teaching after a win, right, the.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Energy is high.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
You're feeling optimistic, like, Okay, we got the win and
let's grow and continue to get even better. And yes,
you know, you look at the scheduled. I think going
into this season, you look at the schedule and you think,
all right, this Saints game is going to be the
first one where you could kind of exhale. Yes, the
Saints are zero to four to start the season, and
the Saints haven't won a game since last season. But
you know who the last team the Saints beat was

(10:43):
was the New York Giant, So don't count your chickens
on this one. And yes, it's a different team, and
you know they're still figuring things out with Kellen Moore's
offense and stuff, but you know it is a formidable opponent.
You're going down to New Orleans on the road. You
don't want to sleep on a roster just because they
haven't won a game yet this season.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, I think you know, when I was a player September,
I didn't care what anybody's record was, Like, don't tell
me you're one in three, don't tell me you're three
and one, because you're not as good as you think
you are and you're not as bad as they say
you are. So that is kind of, you know, throw
the record out the window. Look, the Giants were ering
three a week ago and everybody was like running them off.
That's it, it's done, fire everybody. So you know you

(11:21):
just kind of look at all, right, what are we doing? Well,
what do we need to fix? And I've always felt
like at this time of the year, you focus on
yourself more than the opponent. What are we doing well?
What are what do we need to work on, What
do we need to get better at so that we
can find a way to win games. And as the
season goes along, if you get better at those things,
taking care of yourself, what the other team is doing

(11:42):
doesn't matter as much. But after you were now going
into week five, so now you have four weeks worth
of film on your opponent. You know, Week two you
have one, Week three you have two weeks. So now
you actually have four full weeks plus they played last year,
like you mentioned, or and and so you also have
a chance to kind of go back and look at

(12:03):
different tendencies. Kellen Moore, his offense has been around for
a while, so you know some of the things offensively
that he's going to try to do in some of the.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Ring earlier one because he was with the Eagles, so division.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
He was with the Eagles, and he was in Dallas
before that too, so you know, I think there's obviously
some familiarity with that. But no, now you're going on
the road New Orleans. Honestly, we have not played well
in New Orleans as a franchise like that is. We've
been down there and we've gotten beat down a couple
of times. It was kind of like the Saints came
marching in and the band was playing the entire game.
They were just ripping up points. Yeah, so that is

(12:36):
a tough environment to play, especially when it gets loud
and when that place is packed. So the silent account
is going to be huge. Not going to be an
issue for the quarterbacks so much because Jackson Dart his
snap count in college was this. He didn't have acat
so he was basically working on the sound count. But
it's a challenge for the offensive line. It's really a
challenge when you get into short yards goal line situations

(12:59):
because now the tight ends and everybody that's further away
from the ball, they have a hard time seeing it,
so you can be a little delayed. So that's something
that will be working on internally this week in practice.
But I think when you go on the road, you
want to start fast. Yeah, they had an opening drive touchdown.
I can't remember the last time the Giants had an
opening drive touchdown. That is so huge. The defense was

(13:19):
playing with the lead. The Giants didn't trail a single
time at all against against the Charger, so that right there,
your defense plays with a different edge and a little
different you know, viciousness when they know the offensive scoring
points or we have a lead, so and a little
bit more.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
Of a sense of security rather than a sense of
urgency when you've got a lead in that play as well.
I'm talking to Jonathan Casius about this, and you know,
you can hear it on this week's Giants Hangout if
you want to check out that conversation with Casillas was
talking about because he's also.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
Played for the Saints.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
He won a Super Bowl with them shortly after Katrina,
and he mentioned how, you know, playing with the Giants
going into New Orleans, playing with the Saints is the
home team there, both sides of the coin.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
He's done.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
And that fan base, you know, whether they're four and
oh or zero and four, are such a pick you
up and rally and gas you up kind of fan
base that they're gonna still come loud, They're gonna still
come supportive there. It's not like, oh, if they're off
to a slow start in the season like some other
cities might be, that you know, the ticket sales might
go down or that the you know the crowd might

(14:20):
be more for the visiting team or whatnot. The Saints
fans really do show up loud and aggressive, So that environment,
as you mentioned, is going to be a rambunctious one
regardless of what the record.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, I think they refer to themselves as who Who
Dat Nation? Yeah, they come well represented. But I think
we have We're gonna have a good contingency of New York,
New Jersey. Try Sadaria people, because who doesn't want to
go down to Nola knowledge? Who doesn't want to go
down there? And you know, get some get some gumbo,
get some po boys, get some get some poe boys,
get some shrimp and grits. I know, Giants fans, they're

(14:52):
going to be down there, you ready to rock? And
I'm sure they're gonna be wearing lots of bees.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Shrimp, scampy, shrimp, stew, shrimp kebab.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
That's a all the.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Popcorn, shrimp, all the shrimp.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
Yeah.

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It's the phone number. Let's head to the phone lines.
Jason and new Haven. Jason, welcome to the show. You're
on Big Blue Kickoff Live with Sean and Madeline.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
How's it going, Hello, Metal and Shaan. How you guys
doing great?

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Doing well?

Speaker 4 (15:44):
How are you good?

Speaker 7 (15:45):
Good?

Speaker 4 (15:47):
A three quick points and I'll get off so you
get other callers. Yeah, the team for being a really
good charges team. You know, they were undefeated, as you
too well know of course, and yeah, we we took
it to the old line. I know people will say
that all was out and Beckton was out and Joe

(16:08):
allt was out. But as a Giants fan, crime River
because it seems like every year, you know, unfortunately with Malik,
we always suffered some kind of injury. So you know,
I'm not going to give any caveats to a win
where we beat another team, whether.

Speaker 7 (16:22):
It was injuries, and that was my first point.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Secondly, you know, over the last few years, I've always
stayed a Sean. When you were you know, when you
were the Giants, even the eighties teams, maybe even some
of the good nineties teams, it always seemed like we
had a few guys, which I don't think we've had
the last few years, and I call them tone setters.
You know, with your team, it was the old line,

(16:47):
it was Bradshaw, it was Jacobs, it was straight hand,
you know, Pierce, you had guys that I don't want
to say. You know, everybody is a pro athlete, so
there's no fear in the game, but you know they're
going to stick the helmet and you've got to be
ready to play forty eight minutes going against this team.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
Or this this player.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
And watching Scataboo and Dark and that dual and Burns
and Dexter, to me, you know those are tone set
especially on offense. You know, Scataboo the way he runs
is infectious, especially wearing at forty four. I know they
are different players, but he does remind me a little
of Bradshaw. Maybe Bradshaw had a little quicker feet maybe,

(17:29):
but just having a tone setter man something that we
just I feel like we've been missing the last few
years with the team. So it was just good to
see us kind of give it to the Chargers. You know,
we didn't back down, we didn't lay down, and and
we gave it to them, and we beat them fair
and square, regardless of who was on their team or

(17:49):
who was hurting and was not. My last point is
it was sad to see the league go down. Of course,
I mean, he's such a big part of our offense.
But you know what I would like to see going
on now, Sean and Madeline is kind of a duplicate
of what we saw, and I know the personnela is
different maybe, but kind of what we saw in twenty

(18:12):
twenty two, which was our long playoff push that you know,
that twenty two playoff push that year, we were a
very run heavy team. Now, I know we had Sae Kwon,
who's definitely a difference maker, but in terms of the
play calling, shortening the field, making it easier for Dart,
a lot of play action boots. That's what I would
like to see the rest of the year, because you

(18:33):
really can't replicate or see you know, you really can't
replace Eleak. You know, he's such a talent you can't
really replace it. And I don't know if we have
a receiver on a roster that could take that kind
of that. But while I am a Slating fan, you know,
I don't see him taking that one role. So what
are you, Madeline and Sean? What do you think of

(18:54):
kind of replicating that twenty twenty two offensive kind of
philosophy where we there's a lot of two to three
tight end sets, a lot of running the ball, a
lot of play action, a lot of bout legs. What
do you think about it? And I'll take your answer
off the here.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Thanks so much for the call, Jason. I appreciate that
that insight and all that I mean. I think one
point that he made that I will absolutely agree with
is you can't easily replace a guy like Theleak neighbors,
but you know you could do it by a committee
of different players.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, you're never going to replace him with just one guy,
so everybody's kind of have to pick up the slack
and pick up the production. We appreciate the call, Jason.
I think you know you're going back to twenty twenty two.
The thing that I think struck me the most about
that team was they didn't have a Eliite neighbors. The
didn't have like a number one receiver. Slayton has been
the big play guy for years, and I think he's

(19:43):
got more catches over fifty yards, you know, than any
other receiver, certainly for the Giants, but maybe even in
the league the last couple of years. So he's been
kind of a big, big play sleigh if you will.
So I think he can fill that void in certain capacities.
But that game, that scene twenty twenty two, they went
into Minnesota and won a playoff game with Isaiah Hodges

(20:04):
as kind of his number Dan Jones number one target.
So you can find a way to manufacturer wins and
manufactured production. I think this offense, you're going to see
different types of offense. I think now the Giants need
to be able to go on ten, twelve, fourteen play drives.
You need to be able to possess the ball, convert
on third downs, and score that way. This is not
going to be Hey, we've got these huge explosive plays

(20:27):
like we saw in week two when Malik was running
past the defense. The other aspect of losing the leak
not just his ability, but what he does to the defenses.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Right, he's not drawing double teams anymore, So it's the.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Coverage has changed. So we saw Kansas City play a
lot of two high safeties. They had somebody over the top.
We're not going to let league neighbors beat them with
the deep ball. Well that's soft in the defense. Now
you have a six man box because now you have
basically four defenders, two safeties, two corners. So you end
up with a six man box if you bring a
slot receiver there because now they have a slot defender outside.

(21:02):
So that opens up your run game. So that could
be a challenge to try to run the football because
now people are going to come in and say, we
know what, We're going to load the box, not let
you run. We're going to make you throw. Somebody's going
to have to step up. Somebody's going to have an
opportunity to do that. So I think the Giants have
players that can do that. Wandell Robinson. Look, he has
just as many catches this year as Maleak, so he's

(21:23):
been just as big a part of this offense. And
he's been a great third down weapon, So you're gonna
have to step up from that capacity, you know. I
think you were talking about the tone setter, and I
think that's a great word. I look at in a
different way. There's other words that I can throw in
there too. This team has an identity. When is the
last time that you could say that the offense had

(21:45):
this identity and this personality.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, and we sort of felt that coming into the
season a little bit. Positions and the kind of swag
and the little bit of having fun.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
So I think that's that's what is so great from you.
For Giants fans, you want to come and see good football,
but you also want to see you want to be entertained.
You want to see guys that look like they're having fun.
They enjoy what they're doing. They're celebrating, they're doing it well,
They're doing with passion, They're doing it with a flare.
Jackson Dart, he's got plenty of flare. I mean, if
he works at Chochke's, he would have twenty five pieces
of flair.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Well over the bear men.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
I think that has stimulated the entire offense. Cam Scattabu
doing what he's doing that has been contagious and you
see the guys now, hey man, he just trucks somebody,
or hey, you see that block, Like everybody kind of
wants to get in on that. So if we haven't
had offensive, electric.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
Personalized high fives and the celebrated.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Got the everyone's got chances.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
And I don't know, I'm in awe. Especially Tyler Nuban
has like a secret handshake with half the roster. I'm like,
how do you remember all? It's like choreography and da
da da, it's remembering a whole nother playbook of just handshakes.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
But you know what, I respect that.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well, yeah, the only reason you can get away with
that is because they don't have two days anymore, so
you only have one practice the other instead of practicing
the second time. Now we work on our handshakes and celebrate.
But that's you know, the fans like to see that.
And then I think defensively, you know, the defensive line
is I mean they are the driving force. I mean,
these guys are taking over games. Kevon Thibodau has been

(23:12):
playing lights out Brian Burns right now and his Spider
Man thing, you know, like he's been saving some of
those because I think he wanted it to be like
a monumental play, and that sack on third down was huge.
That was basically a game clincher. So I think his
impact and his tone setting, uh, to use Jason's term,

(23:33):
that identity on defense. Now, look, people are turning on
the film and they're like, this is a scary crew,
Like if I'm spending Spencer Rattler, like I got to
get the ball out. Yeah, and let's we didn't even
talk about a duel Carter. He's leading all rookies in
quarterback pressures and hits.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
So a significant marget.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
That's you know what we're seeing from this Giants team.
We're starting to see an identity. Here's who we are
on offense and here's what we're doing on defense. And
I think that equates to some good wins.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
My only note with Jason's call is is he mentioned Sean.
He alluded to the era in which you played and
said it was the eighties and nineties, which I would
like to say, Jason, while we do know that Sean.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I heard it differently.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
He said I appreciate it when you played, and then
he said, also back when eight nine. Okay, he wasn't
calling me Bardos.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I was like, holl On, I caught you to I'm
with you.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
I'll like Jason. We can't add a couple decades to Jean.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I got some grays, but I'm not that old.

Speaker 6 (24:26):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
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three nine four five one three. Let's go back to
the phone lines which are lighting up on a Wednesday.
We've got Anthony in South Carolina. Anthony, Welcome to Big

(25:11):
Blue Kickoff Live. You're on the shown and Madeline, Hi,
you doing.

Speaker 8 (25:15):
How are you doing?

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Battling doing well?

Speaker 5 (25:17):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Anthony?

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, I'm doing good. I love your energy.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Oh g Man, I just want to say thank you for.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
The Super bowls.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Man.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
I grew up my brother was a Patriots fan, so
you gave me the ability to win all arguments.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I love that we got a little canaan Abel going here, Anthony.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Thanks. At first, I want to say man prayers out.

Speaker 8 (25:39):
To elite neighbors.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
And I know he was going to be electric in
New Orleans is homecoming, so I just want to say
praiers out to him. And I want to say prayers
out to John Merritto, So yeah, thank you for that.
Before I want to ask you, how can Jacklyn Dark
and John michael Is get like a better connection on

(26:02):
the center and stuff like, well, what do they gotta
do is like work work on that, And that's really
all I wanted to know, And I just want to
with that, all right.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
Thanks so much for the call of Anthony.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, Anthony, we appreciate it. I think really Jackson Dart
when in college he was in Shotgun almost the whole time,
So this is not a JMS Jackson Dart issue like, hey,
he's not under center because of that, but I do
I do think you know, look, it's different. You know,
JMS has been working with Russell, you know, pretty much

(26:36):
all through camp and then to start the season. So
anytime a new quarterback comes in, there's a different rhythm
with the cadence, there's a different obviously when he's under center,
you kind of get used to that. But just to
kind of peel back the onion on practice schedules, So
the first people out on the field are usually in
practice on a Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. It's usually the kickers,

(26:56):
the specialists, but along with them, it's we would have
quarterback center exchange and we would do that for probably
ten to twelve minutes before practice even started. So I
was always out there early. Quarterbacks were out there early,
and all we did was snap the ball to each other.
They would call out plays, they would visualize the play,
they would go through all the calls, and we would
be under center for a lot of them, in shotgun

(27:17):
for a lot. But it was kind of a way
for us to just make sure this center quarterback exchange
it has to be automatic. It's like breathing. You don't
think about it, you just do it. It just happened,
So you get that automatic and then you also do
it in shotgun. Obviously, I mentioned this week they're going
to be in silent count a lot because of the noise
down in New Orleans. So you're working on the shotgun,

(27:38):
you're working on the soilent count, making sure that that
is a smooth transition. One of the challenges anytime you're
on the road is when you're at the line and
you're you know, two minute offense or you're trying to
go in no a huddle, you can barely hear, so
you kind of have to have code words and you're
saying things to one side of the line, one side
of line, and then you have to be aware of
the clock as well. So as a center, every time

(28:00):
we played in away game, when I would go out
and walk up the field on my own and do
my own warm up, I would walk up and down
the field and find the play clock. On each stadium,
it's in a different location. Sometimes it's up a little higher,
sometimes it's down low. You find the clock so that
you always know what the clock looks like. If the
clock's running down. You know, I got to speed this up.
We don't want to get at the lay of game.
So quarterbacks and centers you always know where that play

(28:22):
clock is, so you're aware of that and you got
to be in lockstep with that so that the rhythm.
And I think that's something that they'll continue to get
better at. But you know, I think for it's to me,
it's less about the snapping, it's more about the blocking, Like,
we still have some room for improvement. We got to
get better. There's too many times where we're running the

(28:44):
ball and we're getting zero, we're getting stuffed. So I
think that there's still room for improvement. I feel like
they have gotten better every week as a as a unit,
as a group. Obviously Andrew Thomas coming back has helped
all that, but I still think, you know, JMS is
still he's still trending up, you know. I'd like to
see him start stacking weeks.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Yeah, and like you mentioned too, just developing that chemistry
that Jackson Dart is going to come with time and
with repetition. But it's not necessarily I think to the
college point, it's not necessarily about oh we's in shotgun.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
That must mean X y Z.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
It's just that's more of a comfort level in terms
of how you.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
You know, position yourself in the offense for the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
And a lot of that is because we saw right
out of the gate way more RPOs right the run
plass option, Well, you have to do that out of
shotgun because boom, with shotgun you catch it and you're
faking here and then now you either run or throw it.
So that has to be done out of shotgun. And
I think that's really where Jackson Dart is comfortable.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Yeah, speaking of Jackson Dart's comfort, we know that in
the game on Sunday against the Chargers, he did kind
of pull up and was dealing with a hamstring injury.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
It was like a cramp almost, and then yeah, they
seemed like he was all right. He was definitely favoring it.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Yeah, they called it a hamstring injury, the PR department did.
But he didn't leave the game, He didn't miss any time.
He was favoring it quite a bit. But after the
halftime he came out and you know, as you pointed
out in the postgame show, he was running and didn't
seem hobbled in that Brian Dable in his media availability
this morning, said that there will be no limitations on
Jackson Dart so just a little game soreness. It's great

(30:20):
news for the quarterback in terms of practice on Wednesday, though,
Greg Van Roten is getting a VET day so he
won't be in there and anticipate that means a lot
of reps for Evan Neil. Perhaps Tyrone Tracy is getting closer,
but he's not ready yet dealt with that shoulder injury
a couple of weeks ago, still working through that.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
They will be pacing him as needed.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
And then Dexter Lawrence is out of practice today because
he's sick. So hopefully Des drink up on that chicken
noodle soups, some bone broth, hydrate and get well soon.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Dex. Yeah, I think Dex will be all right. Greg
Van roadin the veteran day, I just I mean, I wish,
I wish, I wish that veteran day existed back when
I play. I don't think I ever got a veteran
day off. So cheers to you, GVR. He's got a babe.
But yeah, that's basically I think of that.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Day is just like, oh, you're still really sore because
you're on the back nine of the career, so let's
give those muscles an extra data.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
It's a break because you're you're old. It means you're crusty.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
It's a nice way of saying, you can you can
order off the back page at Denny's soon.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
But to your point, you know what, like it's a
great opportunity for a guy like Evan Neil Aaron Stinny
also is I think he was out last week. Stinny was.
But you know, it gives guy other guys some reps
at that position, and you know, without kind of beating
up your guy. But yeah, later on in my career,
I'll be honest with you, I was still sore on Wednesdays.
Like it used to be your first four years in

(31:46):
the league, You're sore on Monday, and then by Tuesday
you're good. As you kind of get into years eight,
nine and ten, it's like, all right, I'm not that
bad on Monday. Tuesday was like the really sore day.
And then sometimes later on in the career and as
the season progresses, it's like Wednesday, you're still trying to
get up. So I think that's just kind of more

(32:07):
of a load management thing.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
Yeah, yeah, I got to manage it, Giants fans.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
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Sean that five k is on a Sunday. What day
do you think you'll be done being sore from running?

Speaker 4 (32:43):
That?

Speaker 6 (32:44):
One?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Good question? You know what. I ran it last year
and I really wasn't that sore. That's I think. The
next day my quads were just a little bit sore,
but it just felt like a good leg day workout. Yeah,
you know, if I was running a marathon, I probably wouldn't.
I feel like, take me a couple days to recover
from that. But this is such a great event and
that's why that's why I love it and I try
to do it every year because you know, look, it's

(33:07):
it's five k. Which is like three point one mile,
and you can run like you don't have to be
you know, you don't have to be you know, the
road runner. You know, you don't have to be the
energizer bunny to run this. You can do it at
your own pace. There are people that jog it. There
are people that run it aggressively and they're trying to
beat their personal best. Some people run and walk. There

(33:29):
are women pushing strollers. There are kids riding bikes. So
it's great. I feel bad then I have to throw
the kids out of the way because I'm you know,
I'm like, I'm on my pace.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I'm trying to keep it under nine minute mile.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
We're going yeah, so kids watch out. You know, sometimes
you feel like Frank the Tank when you're trying to
get them out of the way. You're mushing this kid
and that kid.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
But I'm kidding, he's gonna have his fingers taped up,
you know.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Ready to I'm gonna have to EyeBlack. I'm we're ready
to rock. We came to conquer the world.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
But it is, it's such a cool event and it
does finish right Life Stadium. So what a cool experience
to be able to get on the field and check
it out.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
In that regard, that's the best part. So like the
finish when you come into the stadium, because everybody's kind
of lined up on the finish line and it's really
cool moment for everybody to kind of come through and finish.
But hopefully we get as gorgeous of a day as
we had this past Sunday and you had your your
women's tailgate, kind of ask for a better day. Although
it got a little crispy there, it was toasty.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
I got a little bit of a sunburn on my
shoulder out there, but you know what, I'm here for
a late September sunburn.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
Sign me up.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
I'll take I'll take this. I'm a California girl at all. Right,
take the sunshine any day.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Hell yeah, we'll take that Indy in summer.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
All day exactly exactly.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
It's still nice out today too. I mean, I know
it's officially fall, it's officially October, can you believe it?
But you know what, we still got some beautiful weather
up here.

Speaker 6 (34:47):
In the northeast.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
All right to a one nine three nine four five
one three. Let's get back to the phone lines. Jeff
in Maine. Jeff, welcome to the show. You're on Big
Blue Kickoff Lives Sewn and Madeline.

Speaker 9 (34:57):
Hey, thanks so much for taking my call. It's so
great to talk to you guys. What would you think
about playing Gunner Oshski uh, more like in the slot
on offense, and then maybe that would pretty Uplandale to
play more outside. You know, I'm thinking he had a
great rapport with Jackson Dart in the preseason, and maybe
he could be kind of that possession receiver type like
Isaiya Hodgens was like in twenty two.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, look, I think Gunnar would love that. He would
love to get more reps on offense. You know, I
think right now he's he's kind of designated as special teams.
I think Wandell is the slot guy. Like they're not
going to move onndlle out of the slot, so it's
really who's going to take the place outside for the leak.
So that's Darius Slayton, you know, that's Bo Collins. I
think you mentioned little Jordan Humphrey. It's kind of one

(35:42):
of those bigger receivers. But listen, I'm sure I'm sure
Gunner would love to get a couple opportunities to touch
the football. And and you know, look, if if you
you find a way to get him out there, he's
gonna he's gonna give you as all. That's for sure.
I think they love Gunner. Part of the reason why
they brought him back is soon is Bryce Ward, Bryce Ford, Wheaton, Ford,

(36:03):
Wheaton towards Achilles. Gunners one of those guys that man,
whatever you ask him to do, he's gonna do it.
He's going to give you one hundred and twenty percent.
So I think he would welcome that. But I think
Wandell is you know, he's the slot receiver. He's done
a great job with that, and he's got such a
great set of skills for getting in and out of
the breaks. And then also he kind of sets you up.

(36:25):
He's got he runs that little whip route, you know,
and kind of brings the defenders in and then on
the next play he runs right by you. So this
is I think, Wandell, this is the fastest I've seen
him in a while, and this is the best that
he has looked. So I expect his production to really increase.
But appreciate the call.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
Jeff, Yeah, thank you so much for calling in Jeff
and I like the insight. Another piece of information just
wanted to share with you all. I know we mentioned
Brian Able said, Jackson Dart will not be limited at all.
He is out there on the practice field warming up.
He's got K tape on his left life leg, on
the back of his left leg, which is going to
be helpful.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
So he's still you.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Know, powering through that hamstring, but again not limited in
K tape. If you're not familiar, it's that you know,
black tape that you see kind of players have on
muscles at times. It's helpful in supporting without limiting your movement.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
So it's just like it Also it increases circulation, yes,
so you're it's trying to promote the healing. It keeps
the muscle warm. So it's kind of this new technology
that it's probably been around for a couple of years.
But you kind of put it on if it's for
if it's a soft tissue injury, you can kind of
put on there and it keeps it warm, keeps it
help expedite the healing process.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
It kind of stabilizes a little bit too.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, I think it gives you a little gives you
a little extra reinforcement, so that that's good that he's
wearing that. I will say this too. Look if I'm
Brian Dable and I my quarterback has a ham fore injury,
I'm not telling anybody. Yeah, and guess what we're full go.
I don't want to I don't want to let give it.
I don't want to take anything away. I don't want
to give anybody any more information. So you know, like
just hey, yep, one hundred percent. And Jackson Dartine said

(38:03):
as at the press conference, they said, how you feeling
are you doing? I'm great? Yeah, go yeah, like whether
you're feeling great, whether or not. The answer is, I'm great.
Let's roll.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
I'm great, Let's roll.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
And if he wasn't able to do it, he wouldn't
be out there doing it.

Speaker 6 (38:15):
So he's going to be just fine.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
By Sunday to one nine three nine four five one
three is the phone number. Phone lines booked and busy today.
Let's get back to him. Coach Kevin from Arizona. Kevin,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
One second, We're.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
There we go, Kevin, You're on Big Blue, Kioff lab
sewn and Madeline.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
How's going all right?

Speaker 9 (38:33):
Him?

Speaker 7 (38:33):
Madelin Hi, Sean, that's going great. How are you guys
doing doing well?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Fantastic?

Speaker 7 (38:38):
Hey, I just wanted to you know, I called you
several times in the past, but I wanted to share
some thoughts. You know, I was a little disappointed in
the red zone offense than that way for the last
couple of weeks, especially inside the ten you know, back
back in nineteen ninety or so, I had I had
a kid very much like Jackson, a very athletic kid,

(38:59):
and and Ronnie was really good at doing boot legs
and that type of stuff, boot passes and all that,
and we ran up on offense when we got in
that in that red zone area, we kind of ran
a double tight uh, double wide out off ball receivers
with a single back or like a pistol type formation,
but we always made it look the same, so the

(39:21):
defense really didn't know which side we were going to attack.
But we went double tight uh in that area because
we could do a lot of things with our tight ends.
And that's what I'd like to see happen more, uh
with the offense, especially in that ten yards and in
where you can use those tight ends, like on a
smash route. Have the have the boot side tight end

(39:43):
smash in block for a second and then then flare
out to the flat on the upper part of the
of the goal line, and then the wide out does
a deep z out. In other words, he's slant in corner,
but it's deep. It's flat and deep and that and
it puts it puts that corner back and terrible conflict
because he's got the tight end flaring out in front

(40:04):
of him, he's got the backside guy. He'll probably lose
sight of him because we used to hit that pass
a lot in the back corner all the time. And
then you got the rollout with the quarterback on the bootleg,
and then you got a drag coming from the backside
tight end coming right across the formation. I mean that
we're flooding the whole right side or left side just
on that bootleg faked to the back bootleg action where

(40:29):
you know, my quarterback had four or five options or
he could just run it. I mean, it just puts
so much conflict on the defense, especially and you don't
know which way you're going because they can't they can't cheat.
All they could do is maybe try to blitz or something.
But I just think I just think with Jackson's ability
reminds me so much of Ronnie when I coached him

(40:50):
back in ninety when he got a full right scholarship.
The Boise states, I mean they come and got him
right away because he could run and throw just like
Jackson does. It was so similar. In fact, I even
sent something to coach table on my three plays that
I ran all the time out of that double double
tied in double wide out, single back, pistol and h

(41:11):
and we we just we ran an inside trap off,
but we ran a zone run like a stretch play
forward either side, and then we let the back just
pick us hole, let him cut back on a stress
kind of like a deep outside zone block with a cutback,
and that way you're hitting the middle with it like
an inside trap or a power or we did the
stretch play to hit like the six hole or something

(41:33):
like that, and then we had that bootleg and they
just couldn't stop us. We scored. I don't think we
ever got stopped on the goal line ever, unless Ronnie
dropped the ball or fumbled it.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
But he was great at it.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
And that the out pass that that deep flat plant
corner always open, always open.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Kevin, you got a question somewhere, Kevin, Kevin, but we
got other callers too, So you got a question, let's
say no, that's all.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
That's I just wanted to say four tight ends, even
three tight ends. I like to see the tight ends
get more involved. We lost the receiver, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
We love what you call in. We appreciate all the
insight and listen. I guarantee yous Yan Dabele has been
coaching for twenty five years. I guarantee you he has
all those plays. I guarantee you he is going to
find ways to get Jackson Dart out of the pocket.
He also coached Josh Allen up in Buffalo, so he
had the same kind of quarterback. Look, we're going to
find a way to stress the defense by moving the
pocket using his legs. Theo Johnson, we already saw him

(42:33):
use him in a very creative shovel pass type scheme.
We had not seen that play before from the Giants.
We've seen it from the Chiefs before. We've seen some
from the Bills before. But those kind of wrinkles are
exactly what you get.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
And I think when you go back and look at
it coming from the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Also, yeah, they have they have. Listen, the play design
is not the problem. It's the execution that becomes an
issue in the red zone. But even on that fourth
down play when Jackson Dart found a way to kind
of make up play, gets the ball to Wan Dale,
like you got to catch that, Like he made a
heck of a play to even get out of trouble
and then to find a way you know, you can

(43:10):
break the pocket with your legs as a quarterback in
the red zone. It definitely puts a lot of stress
on the defense. So yeah, I'm sure we'll see a
lot of that. And Dable loves his two tight end,
three tight end packages, so you know, we appreciate all that, Kevin.
Appreciate you calling in and and love hearing from you.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
Yeah, and respect the passion for the game and for
the for the coaching element of that, and you always
a pleasure. We're getting a lot of comments on YouTube
as well, so I want to kind of chime in
with some of those. Ryan Johnson says he's at work
so we can't call, which is unfortunate, but he says,
love you, Sean, what was the worst you've seen at
the bottom of the pile.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well, listen, the Family Show. Those who live in glasshouses
don't throw stones. I've been at the bottom of the
pile doing some stuff too, so I'm not going to
throw stones. I'm not gonna throw any shade at anybody.
It's not as crazy as you think, like nobody's you know,
gouging eyeballs out or whatever. But yeah, I mean, you're
gonna give somebody the business right now and then. Yeah,
but you also got to make sure that you know

(44:03):
who you're poking, right. You don't want to poke the bear.
Now you got the best defensive player on their team
mad at you, and now he's coming after you. So
you kind of got to use your discretion, just like
you're using your discretion at work. So we appreciate you
listening on job.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yeah, thanks for calling in and or thanks for chiming
in on YouTube. Thunder Thunder wants to know do you
see Turbo getting called up anytime soon? He'll add some
juice to the run and screen game for sure. I
feel salute emoji lightning emoji lightning emoji thunder thunder with
the lightning lightning, I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Before the lightning lightning for the thunder thunder, which one
comes first?

Speaker 5 (44:42):
Yeah, you know, thunder only happens when it's raining, according to.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
But interesting.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
I do, we're just off the rails. I think you're right,
Like there is a potential opportunity. I think there's a
lot of questions to be answered in terms of practice
squad call ups.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
So it's a possibility.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
Brandon Davis also wants to know will they elevate elevate
there we go, we got there? Will they elevate Humphreys
from the practice squad? It's something that we talked about
at the beginning to show Lil Jordan Humphries and Jackson
Dart show that they clearly had chemistry in the preseason together.
They've worked together quite a bit during practices.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, there's some games, there's some gamesmanship with that whole thing,
and usually that those moves don't get transactionally processed until Friday.
And the reason why is because why would we announce
that today, Like if we are going to activate somebody
from the practice squad, you have them in practice running
with the ones and twos, knowing that, hey, they're going
to be a part of the game, but you don't

(45:40):
actually have to make it a transaction until Friday or whenever.
That that is Friday or even or Saturday one the
card day, So that's something that you know you'll find
out after that. But yeah, Dantane Muller looked great in preseason.
I think he would be a nice edition. I thought
Devin Singletary did a nice job. And you know he's
a veteran running back. Yeah, you know. I think him

(46:01):
and Camp Scattaboo right now are a pretty good one
two punch. But the key is we got we have
to stay with it. Forty two runs in that game. Now,
some of them were not designed runs, they were scrambled
with count as rushes. But I think that that is
winning football right there. If you can run the ball
thirty five to forty times in a game, you're doing
something right and you're converting on third down. So that

(46:23):
was a big part of the Giants success. I think
they were seven of fourteen giants.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
Have youet to have one hundred yard rushery at this season?

Speaker 5 (46:29):
Though Camp Skataboo's gotten up to seventy nine, that's.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Been spread around. Yeah, I mean, but look if Camp's Kattaboo,
if he gets on hundred yards rushing, if the Giants
are winning the game like that, if he's taken over
the game, then good things are happening.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
Good things are happening.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Armand picking up what I'm laying down. Thunder only happens
when it's raining. Fleetwood Mac so loot, you're mowing what
I'm growing.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
I'm just we're just saying, Brandon Day, what would you
guys say should be Dart's main focus when facing the Saints?

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Take care of the football.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I think that was the biggest thing to take away
from that game. I mean, he's a rookie in the NFL.
Zero turnovers. We'll take that every week. And I think
that's the biggest thing. Took care of the football, take
care of yourself. But I think, you know, I think
he did a great job with just you know, making
some plays and you could just see it was natural
to him. You know, even on that first drive, you

(47:28):
know he stepped up in the pocket, climbed the pocket,
slid out, He's waving to his receiver telling him what
to do. He took a media command of the offense.
I thought he had great rhythm and a lot of
the RPOs and good decision making. So I think those
are all things to build on, but take care of
the football. That's that's always first and foremal And.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
To that I will add to just protect the ball
and protect yourself. You know, we saw in the preseason
he said, you know, even posted an Instagram story like okay,
I will slide more. I think he and cam' scataboo
have such a clear romance because they were made from
the same factory. They both all are just tough physically,
not afraid of physical contact in the game. And I
think we see that with the way that Jackson runs.

(48:08):
He doesn't shy away from contact. He thinks, Okay, how
can I get this a little bit more? But you know,
the little self preservation in certain moments he will learn,
he will grow into that, and hopefully he will learn
that before it becomes an expensive lesson. But yeah, you know,
get down and slide, you know, take take what you
got and live to see another down.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, you want to kind of just diminish the risk, yes,
when possible. But they are definitely both made of the same.
Like you mentioned toys, like, I think back that they
both had Tonka trucks. Like when you were a kid,
if you had a big Tonka truck, it was actually metal,
like back when kids were allowed to have toys that
were heavy and that were actually made of substance Tonka trucks.
There was also a toy called the Animal. And it

(48:47):
was like this car that it was. It was kind
of like a like a truck like car transformer almost
well no, but it had like big four wheels and
there was claws that came out of the wheels when
it needed to climb. And it was like the Animal.
Nothing can anything stop the Animal. And it was like
the first car that could climb over anything, climb over rocks,
climb over dirt, grass, mud, whatever, your sister, your dog, whatever.

(49:11):
They would climb over everything. And it was called the Animal.
And that's what Cam Scattaby reminds me of.

Speaker 6 (49:15):
Works up. You know, al Michael's also a sund Noble.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Oh so there we go.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
We get that one going for us, which is which
is nice Giants fans. The Giants official connected TV streaming app,
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(49:40):
Brandon in Shelton, Connecticut. Thanks for calling in. You're on
Big Blue Kickoff Live with Sean and Madeline.

Speaker 8 (49:47):
Hey, sewing man, how you guys doing today?

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Great?

Speaker 6 (49:50):
Doing well? How are you? Brandon?

Speaker 8 (49:52):
Nice? Nice? I'm doing well. This is my very first
time being on the show. I've been the Giants fans
for over twenty two years, in back two thousand and
three when we beat the Washington Redskins at the time
by a field goal. My question to you guys is
should the offense focus on RPO's quick action game and

(50:15):
run heavy plays or what should what should what should
they be really focusing on that? I believe we should
continue to run the ball, take care of the ball,
ground to pounds, just like we did when we beat
the Patriots in two thousand and seventy twenty eleven.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
Thanks so much for the call, Brandon, first time, long
time over here. I mean, I think you know what
you said is kind of accurate, and what we've kind
of spoken about too, is, you know, Sean to the
point that you made earlier that you know, establishing the
run game is so important, but we've seen how with
the quick tempo Jackson Dart does kind of thrive in
that situation as well, and also kind of throws the
defense off gives them a little bit less time to set.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, I think, look, the run game is crucial to
the RPO, that whole concept. If you if you can't
run the ball, they're not going to respect that aspect
of the RPO. So I think that's huge. We saw
in that opening drive the RPO. I mean they would
ran it. I want to say three maybe even four
plays in a row. And what Jackson Dart did a

(51:10):
great job of is once he saw that there was
a blitzer or there was some sort of a weak
blitz the week zone coming, he just tucked the ball
and ran. So it's it's really a three headed monster.
You know, he can hand the ball off in the
run game. If the defense all of a sudden you're
seeing a void, you can make that quick throw, which
ends up being kind of like a run play anyways,
if it's a little three yard throw. But I think

(51:32):
it kind of also allowed him the ability to get
away from pressure at me because in the RPO, you're
keeping your eyes on the defense all the time you're
catching the ball, but you're reading that defender, so it's
it kind of you know, they kind of pay each
other off running the ball. Well, the RPO has even
more teeth and it kind of draws the linebackers in.
That's really what you're trying to do is to bring

(51:53):
those second level defenders and bring the linebackers in, get
him to step up, and then now you could throw
the ball behind them. That's the ideal concept. But I
think that you know, once you start building that, then
you layer other plays plays off of that. The other
aspect of the RPO is that now as an offensive line,
you can kind of focus on other defenders. You leave

(52:15):
one guy for the quarterback, so that defensive end on
the back side is who he's reading. So as he's
looking at the defense, you know he's faking the handoff
to the running back. I'm looking at that defensive end
to see what does he do. He's unblocked, so now
you've got an additional blocker and you're basically eliminating that
defender with that fake. If he runs up the field,
I hand the ball off to the running back. Nobody

(52:35):
ever blocked that guy, but he's out of the play
if he crashes down on the running back. Now I
pull it and I can either throw it or keep
it myself. So you've kind of you've kind of leveled
the playing field of eleven on eleven without having to
block that specific defender. So that's why it's such a
challenge for defenses because now it's almost like a chooser
on adventure and you can never be right.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
Yeah, yeah, but you gotta have uptions.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
I love the way that Sean breaks a game down
like that too. I'm just like, Okay, you see it
and you simplify it in a way that makes it
make so much more sense.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I try to get into the weeds a little bit,
but not not not too much. But yeah, it's it's
fun to talk football. It's hard sometimes when you can't.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
Draw, Yeah, but you do.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
You have a good way with words of describing it
that makes it that you can visualize it.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I'm trying to be like Kevin. There you go. Kevin
was breaking it down for.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
US coach Kevin had he's got he's got a playbook,
and honestly, how benevolent of him to just.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
Share it so freely.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah, he's not scared of copyright infringements.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
He's like, listen, the Giants are gonna be running the
coach Kevin plays pretty soon.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
We know that the.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
Giants fans watching and listening are also a big fan
of the way you break down the game. Marco Perez says,
we should get an O line report from Sean every week.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
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We're got a sponsor. We'll do anything.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
Sponsored, Bye nobody.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
It'll be like EJ's Needles out of the Week. But
it's like Sewan's needle O line breakdown of the week
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Speaker 2 (54:07):
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Speaker 5 (54:14):
The Nina the Pizza Santa Maria Mister Superman five eighty
five says, did Hyatt even get a play against the
Chargers and do you think he will get a chance
against the Saints. Hi was on the field a bit
during the Chargers game. We saw him out there.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Question. Let's let's turn to our our our little stats
over here.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
Let's see how many Dandy's step book, how many snaps
did one Jalen Hyatt.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Jalen Hyatt had twenty nine offensive snaps and that's not
special team. So he had twenty nine snaps, So yes,
he did. He did get in there. And absolutely we
were talking before about with Malie Dabors being out, this
is a great opportunity. Jalen Hyatt is one of those guys, Look,
you're going to get a shot. You're going to get
a chance now. And I think just kind of the

(54:58):
way that things have worked out, he hasn't gotten as
many opportunities in the regular season. We saw him in
the preseason. He can run by people like that's never
been a question with him. He can run by people.
Can he get off the press covers? And you know,
he had a little case of the drops he's there
in the preseason. He atoned for that later on that game.
But this is a great opportunity for Jalen Hiatt to

(55:19):
now be that vertical threat, to now be that big
playmaker that he was at Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
Yeah, and we'll see because what happens is, you know,
luck is when preparation meets opportunity, right, So sometimes people be, wow,
this person was so lucky they got that opportunity. Well, no,
they were just prepared and ready for when the opportunity
presented itself. So now for Jalen Hiatt, the opportunity may
present itself. Is he prepared? Is he ready to capitalize
on it? That's you know, that's up to him and

(55:45):
we'll see him.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
That's a great saying. It's a great quote. Everybody should
have that. And there's another quote that kind of adds
a layer to that. And it's amazing how the more
prepared I am, the luckier I get.

Speaker 6 (55:57):
That part exactly right. The more you do, the more
you know, DOT give.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
Well, now that we've motivated and informed you on a Wednesday,
I feel like that's a rep for our show this week.
Seawn are excited about Giants Saints.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
That was quick.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
I know it flew by, but it's a whole hour.
It's just time flies when you're having fun. I feel
like we're hanging out with Mad Dog and sixty cent.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
To two teams both with New New York, New Orleans.
A lot of ties.

Speaker 6 (56:24):
Where is the Old Orleans?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
It's probably underwater. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Orleans darkwise is.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
The new This is the New Orleans, just like the
Old York I don't know.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
That's the It's in England somewhere. It's somewhere where it's British.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yeah yeah, But I feel like the Saints and the
Giants there we have a long history relationship. You know,
obviously Eli being from New Orleans. And I'll never forget
when we actually played a home game at old Giants
Stadium against the Saints when Hurricane Katrina hit and you know,
their stadium and their whole city was devastated, and we

(56:58):
actually played them here in Giant Stadium and it was
a home game for the Saints. So that's peeling back
the years, going back a long ways. But this has
always been I feel like it's been kind of one
of those rivalries where like the home team always has
a little bit of a leg up. But this is
a great This is a great too, great fan bases.

(57:19):
As you mentioned before. Yeah, we got who that nation,
we got, we got the g men, got big Blue.
Here we go. I know there's a lot of Giants
fans that are headed down there to Nola. So I'll
say pace yourselves, be careful, all right, be careful, you know.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
Sipping on the Hurricanes on Bourbon Street.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yes, there Hurricanes are dangerous, both the weather ones and
the beverages.

Speaker 5 (57:40):
Any neon cocktails are going to be uh.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
And stay with memorable. Be careful if somebody hands you
something and says it's absinthe, that the absinthe house, that.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
Absynth does not have the heart grow fonder.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Absence can be very dangerous.

Speaker 6 (57:54):
It can be, it can be indeed, but have some fun.

Speaker 5 (57:56):
If you're going out there for big Oh my gosh.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
Can someone bring me back up ingnet. They don't travel well,
but they're so good.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
And there's still like, oh, yeah, you're not gonna not either,
the beautifully powdered sugar covered pastry like not no, Yeah,
I'll take one, I'll take them all right. Well, that's
our show for today. Thanks for joining us from the
Giants Podcast Studio presented by Hackensack Meridian Health. Keep getting better,
and thank you for listening to today's episode of Big

(58:26):
Blue Kickoff Live, which is presented by Cadillac, the official
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on Giants dot Com, Slash Podcasts. But the Super Bowl
champ Sean O'Hara, I'm Madeline Burke. We'll see you next time.