Big Blue Kickoff Live 10/10 | A Big Win in Primetime

John Schmeelk and Jonathan Casillas review the Giants 34-17 win over the Philadelphia Eagles on Thursday Night Football, talk about the Giants defensive performance, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Eagles review

23:30 - Calls

32:00 - Complementary football

38:20 - Giants offense

50:10 - Jaxson Dart

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Speaker 3 (00:23):
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Welcome to the Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Cadillact,
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We're joined by Jonathan can see Us. The Giants defeated
the Philadelphia Eagles thirty four to seventeen at MetLife Stadium.

(00:46):
Chase that and I'll put it this way, leasing the
Giants win games against some teams and you know, you
get all, okay, turnover walk, you know, a couple of
big plays, drop passes, whatever, and you're like, unerstand how
the Giants figured out how to win in this game?
To me, the Giants just outplayed a good football team

(01:08):
from really start to finish. In my opinion, on both
sides of the ball, they had a couple of late takeaways,
but they were already in control of the game when
those two plays happened, in my opinion, and just a
really really solid all around performance.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Absolutely, you know, right from the jump, you know, the
Eagles offense was moving the ball. First two runs by
Sakwan thirty yards. You know, I was like, oh man,
this is gonna be a long night. But they hammered
down on it, you know, they squeezed them. I don't
know how many yards Takuan had in the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
And by the way, then he hit another eighteen yard
run later in the game, so other than those three runs,
he basically had like nine garries for ten yards.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, for sure. So they did a good job. And
even though Jalen Hurts had a good completion percentage and
he was moving the ball kind of efficiently for them
in the first half, I feel like the defense was
still flustering the offense, you know, and they did hit
some runs here and there, but the defense stayed after
him the whole entire game. They were in the backfield.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Four rushes two yards in the second half for sake.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
One Yeah, yeah, that's that sounds about right. And then
in the second half, they didn't give them anything. And
then this offense, man, you saw some explosivity early on
with that, you know, pass the little Geordan Humphries to
open it up.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
By the way, the receivers making plays for the quarterback
for once, how about that?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, Jalen Hyatt showed up big time, you know, not
down the field, but getting first downs, getting good, great
catches on the side, contested catches, Sonda.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Rominson breaking the tackle the run for the thirty yard touchdown.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Jackson Darts legs led to literally both of those.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
And JC this is that. That was my big takeaway.
So I want to start that because you brought it up.
I apologize for cutting off. That was it so to
me last night before I rewatched it this morning, I'm like,
you know, I think three best consecutive games I've seen
a Giants offensive line play. Okay, but then I watched
the game this morning. Eagles actually were in the backfield

(03:03):
a fairmountain this game, and I thought Jackson Dart's sack
avoidance was the most important.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Part of this tier.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Top tier.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Now, I'm not sure if this is something he could
do every game, because there were some plays where guys
were coming up from behind them. I'm not even sure
he saw him and he happened to step in a void,
but maybe he did. Maybe he just has the spidery
sends back there, whatever it is. And by the way,
he did do well at that in college too. He
had a good pocket presence, he steps up in the pocket,
He does good with that sort of stuff. But his
ability to turn what looked like was going to be

(03:32):
a for certain negative play into either just a neutral
thoroughway even like an eight yard loss. Right he got
sacked for one yard loss, that's not as big of
a deal, or plays where he turned into the positive
where he hit Wander Robinson on the sideline. You know,
he just is able to make as Brian Dable calls them,
loose plays when things break down, where again, not Russell

(03:52):
Wilson's fault. He's a thirty seven year old quarterback. He
would be sacked on those plays. Jackson darts avoiding those
sacks and then again making it a neutral play or
turning it into a positive play. And that to me,
for the offense was the most important part of this game.
Where his legs, not just the rushing ars, but again
avoiding the sacks that then complete a pass to me

(04:12):
really made the difference. Frather Giants were able to move the.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Ball absolutely, and there were times where he actually sat
in the pocket when there was pressure in his face,
whether it was an extra guy or somebody you know,
got beat on the offensive line, and he sat in
the pocket, took a hit and threw a nice pass,
a very accurate pass a couple of times, you know.
And look, you can't take anything away from this kid's toughness,

(04:36):
you know, that's what I've seen from him. I've seen
a lot of physical toughness, and I think that's something
we might want to dial back maybe a little bit.
But the mental toughness that this kid have, man's second
to none. And you know, he's galvanized this team. Him
in scatable the energy that they bring not just to
the offense, but to the defense as well. Those defensive guys,
they're so jubilant and happy every time dark In Scatibul

(04:58):
makes a play, and you could just feel in the stadium.
You know, it was an electric night.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
How about they got the ball back with six minutes
to go and they just said, all right, we're gonna
run Giant, We're gonna run camp scattery down your throat
for six consecutive minutes. Now, was it a taunting penalty
or a personal fout? Whatever?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And what was that?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
He must have used the magic word and the reference
the F bomb?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Is that? Is that the magic word? The F bomb?

Speaker 3 (05:19):
I mean there are other magic words, but I think
that's one of the magic words.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Come on, almost said it just now.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I'm not gonna even try to speak to what is
said on the field and what's not you know that,
So I'm not I can't say anything about that.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
What is that? It was like he didn't like go
up to him his face, He just ran past him
and he said something I don't know, man, But yeah,
like you said, you know, they they ran the ball
Signletary got in in that in that mix as well. Uh,
you know, the Giants dominated a team that's been dominating
the Giants for a very significant amount of time, and

(05:55):
that's good to see. You know. It kind of is like, hey,
you punched them in the mouth when they come here,
and what were how many days away from them going
down near to play them? Not too long because it's
a short week, correct, Yeah, you know, so they're going
down to Philly in a few weeks. But this puts
them on notice, like, you know, you don't have our
number anymore.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
And jac we talked to the new Giants team and
that's the thing. We talked about it last night in
the postgame show. You know, and everyone talks about the
energy with Darton Scataboo, and I'm not disagreeing with any
of that. I think the energy wouldn't mean anything if
they're not executing on the field first or four hundreds,
So you get the energy because they're making good plays.
That aside, Jackson Dart and camp Scataboo could not care

(06:38):
less that in the last thirty four games against the Eagles,
the Eagles are twenty seven and seven against the Giants.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
He said that too.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Dark said that they won't hear for any of that.
They don't care, they don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
They don't even know, they don't do.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
The idea, Yeah, Old Dark knows is that he lost
like ten games through five years of college football. And
camp Scatabou went to the finals of the college fotball.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Playoffs and he beat the so called great yes, the
defending champions.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
And he almost beat I mean he probably thought almost
beating Texas last year in the playoffs are a bigger
deal than facing the Eagles based on what he's been
through the way, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, Like these.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Guys don't have a reference for this stuff. Seriously, they
just think, all right, well it's another game, gonna go out.
They were gonna beat them. Yes, the Eagles they're good,
so what Yeah, I don't miss we we we beat
good teams all the time.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Sometimes it's good to be young and dumb.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
That's what I'm saying. Like they they don't have any
of the battle scars.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Right, and it's not they He's never gonna get scatterble
all these younger guys, they're never gonna get Ah, there
goes again. They don't have that.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I said that same exact thing on the post game
do last night.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Absolutely they don't have that. So this is a new energy.
This team looks different. And I'm talking about the same
players that's been here before the rookies. They look different.
The Thibodeau was having a great, fantastic year.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
And Burns I don't think ever got there.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
But I think the health last year really hindered him.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Seven sacks.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Man, This dude is incredible, bro. They bring him off
the ball and he moves better than most linebackers.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
He had another the ball. He had another good playing
coverage in this game on the little when they dropped him.
He was a stand up rusher in the middle of
the line. And I don't think the Eagles thought he
was going to drop. It was a third and long.
They had Goddard on that little incut. They thought they'd
get a catch and run out of it, and there
comes Brian Burns, shot out of a damn ken and
tackled him in the open field. Yeah, he is one

(08:26):
of those a week now. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
He is tremendous. He's having a great year. He's probably
one of the better outside pass rushers in the league
full of great, tremendous pass rushers.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I think he's the league leader in sacks right now
with se him and the guy from Denver he has
seven also Benito Benito.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
And he plays this weekend, so let's see.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yes next week too.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
But Burns, this guy in the run game, like in
the past game off the ball, which I thought was
a weakness for him because not too many guys that
play with their hand on in the dirt consistently his
whole career. Can step in not just an athlete, but
how smart he is, you know, because like at the
end of the day, like you got to be smarter

(09:09):
as you get further away from the line. That's that's true,
because you you have to do more, you have to
talk more, you have to communicate more. The defensive lineman,
they're waiting to hear any and then they're going right.
You have to have a certain level of intelligence, and
he has it. And to see him do the things
that he does and the ability to create on his own.
You know, he can beat guys one on one. His

(09:29):
stunts are insane. He beat the guard clean when he
was off the ball and he just dipped his shoulder
like dude.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
He was just supposed to be the pick setting the
pick for Abduel Carter and he has up being so
fast he just goes right through.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, he's he's having an incredible year.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
And they're enjoying using him in Carter on the same side.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Oh yeah, Carter is getting close. He's he's he's doing
the right things. He's looking better, but the numbers haven't
really showed up for him, but eventually they will. With
you because his I feel like his his past rushing
abilities are second to none.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
And he also set the edge of the run game
on a couple of plays.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yep. And these are not big outside guys, you know,
like like yes, they're they're big men for NFL for
you know, being in the NFL, but they're not the
two hundred and seventy pound two hundred and sixty five
two hundred and eighty pound run stuffers. But they're doing
great job because they're using their quickness, they're using their
explo explosivity on the run game. Because usually that's a

(10:25):
that's a that's a pass game type trait, but they're
using it in the run game, like when kvon Tivodeau
beat the guard Pool, which just beat them cleanly, like
you know, like the plays like that happened because not
just because of their athleticism, because their awareness.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
And I look look the Giants heading into this game,
the Eagles had been vulnerable this year. Right, they played
all one score games this year, but they had won
on the margins. They had only turned it over once
all year.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
They know how to win. That's a team that knows
how to win. They prove they proved that for a
few years now.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, guess what in this game. The Giants turned the ball.
They turned the Egles over twice. They laid one all
year Jalen Hurts fumble heading into this game. They won that.
Eagles just one of nine on third down, Giants nine
of eleven of sixteen on third down.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Incredible.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
The Eagles were historically good. They were twelve of thirteen
or was it eleven to twelve, maybe eleven for twelve
in the red zone this year heading into this game,
and they were perfect in goal to go situations scoring
touchdowns in this game. The Giants only a lot of
them go two and three in the red zone, the
Giants better. They were the perfect team in the red

(11:29):
zone three of three. And if you count that Jackson
Dar'd run from the twenty yard line, you have to
be inside the twenty for it to be a red
zone thing, or they would have been four for four.
And I'll go back to one series, JC, and this
has been the difference for me. In the red zone.
They had it first and ten at the fifteen yard line.
They ran the ball four straight times. Two runs yep,
a Jackson dark quarterback sneak and then a Cam Skataboo

(11:50):
ron Eye Blues was first and goal at the four
and four runs get fifteen yards in the red zone,
that's a touchdown. You're not gonna have a lot of
them to throw the ball down there. You're not gonna
be that, you know, spread people out and you know,
do clever stuff in the past game. You got to
be able to run the ball down there. Yeah, And
with Cam Scataboo and his ability to always fall forward
for an extra couple of yards, their red zone run

(12:11):
game to me, has just been a complete game changer
since he became the primary back and they've been leaning
into him in the red zone. To me, it's just
been a complete complete reverse of some of the early
season struggles we saw. And now the Giants are very
good in the red zone. You combine Scataboo's running within
Dart's mobility, it's a very tough thing for teams to defend.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, you want to be good in the red zone.
You've run them boy efficiently down there, correct, you know,
And the Giants a lot of times we're facing you know,
they were good on first second down, they were facing
third and two, third and short third and ones, you know,
and that's something we haven't seen here. You know, it's
been a lot of third and longs for a long time.
Ever since I've been working with you, John, We've been
speaking about this a lot, you know, over the years

(12:54):
and the Giants you know, this season and look last week,
we haven't spoke since before the game last week. Last week,
that was atrocious. It was five turnovers, five consecutive turnovers
in a row. But that first half, that first quarter,
I should say that first quarter looked reminiscent of what
we've seen besides the end of that, Like we've seen

(13:16):
more of that from Dark the dart led Giants than
the five turnovers.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
She see three straight games where they've scored on their
first drive. Yeah, did you see that end?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Like not not running thirty five plays either two yards
of pop a big play, runs passes efficiently, he's layering
the ball very well. That touchdown pass that he threw
to jan Little Jordan Humphries, that was a beautiful throw
and great defensive play.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Was I forgot who's the Cuba I thing knocked it out?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, And that was a great play by him, but
Adri was on him and initially.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
It was a really nice throw.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Right was really good, beautiful pass and then I looked like, oh,
he dropped it. But then I looked again. I was like,
that's a great defense.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
And you know, that's the thing we talk about, some
of the loose plays and the sacaboid and stuff. I
thought there were a couple really good plays from the
pocket hit in this game. I thought maybe some of
the best ones we've seen since he became the starter.
That was one of them, even though it was incomplete.
Another one was it was it might have been earlier.
In that one same drive, he takes a snap, there's

(14:14):
a six van pressure. They protect it. He looks to
his left, tries to go to little Jeord Humphrey in
a little stop route. It's not there. He quickly turns
to the right, gets one of the Robinson coming across
the field on a backside crosser, hits him for like
a sixteen yard game. Then the other play where there
was a I'm not sure it was a free runner,
but there was definitely someone that got through and gave
pressure and he'd a man in his face and he

(14:35):
throws it to THEO Johnson as he's beginning to go
into his break on a little out route. As he's
getting you know, smashed by a defensive lineman and he
hits him right on the money on the out. So
I thought, we're seeing some progress now when maybe you know,
there's a lot of running around and you know, first
option stuff the first couple of games, I think we
saw all right, I'm seeing the pocket reading the field

(14:55):
stuff coming along a little bit better in this game.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, he's playing the quarterback position. The twenty twenty five
quarterback position is you know, a guy that can definitely
pass in the pocket, but then also a guy that
can extend the play with his legs to throw the football,
and then a guy that can run. And he's doing
that at a very high level right now. Mistakes last
week cost them. The mistakes last week costed them the

(15:20):
dumb play that we saw where he dropped the football.
And this is how I say you counter those plays,
because I've spoke about this before, Rookies will make mistakes.
That's a rookie mistake that he made, just losing the football,
Like no one does that in the NFL besides a rookie, right,
But you need your veterans to step up and make
a play. You know. I was very disappointed, and I

(15:43):
hate because I think he's so great for the Giants
and he's been so great. But Slaton, you know, it
was a big time dropped the fumble, the scoutable fumble.
We haven't talked about last week, but the ability to respond, Yeah,
they didn't do it in the same game. They kind
of just it's snowballed on him literally after drive. Mistake
after mistake. I looked for veterans to pull them out.

(16:04):
But then this week coming in, they responded. You know,
the first game of the season against the Commanders, I
wanted them to respond. The offense did. Defense kind of
took a step back. The charges they responded. Saints. They
started out so well and then it kind of the
mistakes kind of took over. And that's something that I

(16:24):
need to see improvement here. I need to see improvement
with the mistakes. I need to see improvement with the penalties,
especially in a defensive backfield. That's something that can haunt
the Giants.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
And missed the signmons too big time, like they were
lucky that for some reason, it hurts On he was
gonna have all year.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
That was a touchdown and he overthrew m by like
six yards.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
So it wasn't even close. And everyone was in cover
one on that play except for one guy and Cordoff
Loot squatted for some reason. I don't know if you
thought they were on cover two.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
And he's been having a phenomenal years playing very.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
I mean he basically, at least in this game, he
earned full time reps at that second quarterback spot.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
He's he'll see me one in my eyes. He sees
me one of my eyes. He's playing the best out
of any cornerback.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
You think, so, Yes, Yes, I don't disagree with.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Dbo is a little handsy. He's a little handsy. I've
heard from New Orleans from my guys when he first
got signed. He's a little feast or famine, you know.
But I expect him to settle in a little bit more.
He's a veteran in this league, you know. I talked
about it before about him being a little bit hesitant
on tackles and giving some additional yards. I think I've
seen a little bit of improvement this past week, so

(17:28):
I definitely accept them to make a step forward. What
I saw from the defense, though, was guys flying around,
whether they were making mistakes or not. Because mistakes will happen, John, Like,
no one's going to grade out one hundred percent for
the game. It doesn't happen, and if it does, it's
like once a year per player, perk, you know what
I mean. That's it. So there will be mistakes, but
you need to have guys flying around. One guy make mistakes,

(17:50):
ten guys flying around you can correct that mistake, right.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
And I'll just say this about the defense. Second half
much better than the first half. Them getting off the
field a lot, which I liked. Pass rush wasn't quite
as consistent in the backfield as I would have liked
in this game. Again, you didn't really get you one
pressure out of altbdul Carter. I think Burns had the
two sacks. I don't think in any of the pressures
before then they were okay. But I thought that the

(18:14):
pass rush could have been a little bit better, especially
against a bang up Eagles offensive line. Again, sometimes there's
a little too much room in the secondary. You're right,
they did play some tighter coverage in the second half,
but I think we're getting there. A couple other notes, yes,
before you do.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
That, yeah, please. They took away what the Eagles did
really well, which is basically running routes against man and
man coverage. That's what they excelled in in the Giants.
I found not mistaken. They played man and man coverage
the whole game.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
I will let me fact, I can look that up
for you.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Let me see. And the Flot interception that was man
and man. That was a beautiful play. You want to
talk about playing in the cornerback position defense cover zero,
that was yeah, that's no help. So he stuck on him,
like good, great break, And I was like, who caught him?
I'm like, who caught Flot? Because I know roll On,

(19:02):
the only person that could catch him on the field
caught him. But like the play he's been he's been
making and again limiting them mistakes. You know, mental errors
can can get you beat. You know, mental errors I
think got them beat against New Orleans last week. You know,
so they can limit that, then the sky is a
limit for this team. And it's such a different outlook

(19:23):
on this team than than after the Chiefs game, you know,
like and going into the building today, leaving the stadium yesterday,
we'll be looking at for that man and man.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Only twenty six percent fifteen and well twenty six and
will cover one and then four and cover zero, So
that's actually much lower. The Giants usually around forty percent
cover one team they have them covered two, ten percent,
cover three, twenty five percent.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Ok, I was saying more to cover three there, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
cover three looks like cover one.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, and then I think cover how much when they're
covered that they're only only cover six only once. But yeah,
so they did a little bit of actually mix up
the covers a little bit more than you Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
No, I think against this team you have to you
have to, you know, a team that you know they're
going to try to establish a run, a team that
has to basically number one wide receivers in an outside
fantastic tight and who had a pretty good game against
the Giants again yeah again, right again. You know, but
they they held, they held, they responded. The whole team
was poised, not just Jackson dark, the whole team is

(20:22):
poised like that. That interception came in the fourth quarter,
you know, at the end of the game when you
need to make a play. And the thing we haven't
seen from the Giants in a couple of years is
the poise to finish these tight games, right, the poise
to be able to make the play when you need
to make the play. And that's what you saw yesterday.
You saw a whole bunch of guys that were poised,

(20:44):
that responded, that got hit in the mouth early. The
Eagles did have a lead for a little bit, and
they responded, you know. And that's the word I wanted
to use, because that's the word I've been used since
the beginning of the season. And if they're doing it now,
you're seeing a team that's responding, a coach that's responding,
you know. And and look, I'm disappointed, to be honest,
and I love my Giants fans. Disappointing the Giants fans

(21:06):
a little bit because the stadium was a little empty.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I will say a lot of green Jersey. I will
give credit to the fans that were there, because you
did not hear the Eagles fans as much during the game.
I didn't get one fly Eagles flys chant. I got
none of that, which.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Was and it had success early. They were moving the
ball efficiently. Early they were I think at one point
Jalen was like eight of.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Nine, so I don't know. Yeah, the Eagles came out fast,
but the Giants kept scoring. It's funny. This is what
I'll close with this. I got two things to close it. Then,
I want to get to the calls. Make sure you
guys have a chance to get him. I got to
get off right at one thirty one. I want to
give the Giants schemers in the run game credit. I
thought they did a lot of interesting stuff with guys
pulling line tight ends and motion and stuff like that.

(21:50):
And the two of those outside pitch plays that I
thought worked well. So I thought very more creative than
usual in the run game. I thought it worked well.
Number two, this is fun. Did you see the Amazon
stat about the first quarter scoring?

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yes, that the Giants haven't scored more than.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Ten point seven.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I think it was seven And how long?

Speaker 3 (22:10):
How long was it eighty one games? Oh my gosh,
it was five seasons. Now. We've always talked about how
this team has started slow in a lot of these games.
I didn't quite realize the magnitude of that statistic. But
the good news is that and now that we know
what the statistic was, we know that it's broken. So
they did it this week's We don't have to talk
about that, all right. Two one nine three nine four

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five one three two, one, nine, three, nine, four five
one three Giants Tottle Podcast, folks, Baldy's breakdown is going
up later today. We're gonna have the plays that he
broke down. Those will be up on our social media platforms, YouTube,
uh reel shorts, all that good stuff, and then my
interview with him for our podcast will be up in
the Giants Huddle later on today. Just find the Giants
dot Com, slash podcast, your favorite podcast platform, Giants YouTube channel,

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and I'll just search for Giants podcast network for Giants
Huddle on your favorite podcast platform, it'll be there, and
of course on the Giants mobile app as well. All right,
let's get to the phones. We also some YouTube comments
and again I got to get off right a one
thirty today, folks, I had to do an interview with
one of our radio affiliates, so I got to get
to that. Let's go to Rob and Yonkers. He will
lead us off today. Hi Rob, good.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
Afternoon, guys. I'm happy. Happy victory Friday.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, absolutely, man. We haven't had many of those. The
Giants have been over the last ten on Thursday Night football,
so it's been a while since we've had a victory Friday.
Since Tom Coughlan was coaching Johnathan Casius didn't. Actually, you
weren't even here in twenty fifteen, right, I was here,
So that was it was so long ago. It was
pre Cassius was first. That was your first year.

Speaker 7 (23:41):
Well, it was definitely good.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
I'm happy Scatterbull got some new gloves because at the
same game he was complaining about his gloves.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
So yeah, Rob, I would say Kim Scatty was probably
just a little annoyed to himself at that point and
he was looking for something to be mad about, and
he blamed the girlves that. That would be my opinion
on that one.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
So quick things that that I'll get up for another
other callers. Uh, Holland number twenty one. There was a
big play down the field and if he could have
turned his head, he would have intercepted that ball.

Speaker 8 (24:13):
We we have that issue.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
Jason Sehan was like our best, our best cornerback ever.
But our receivers don't I mean, I mean our cornerback
don't turn their head.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Rob Rob Rob Rob Rob, Just real quick. Twenty one
is a D ball. It's not Holland.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
Sorry, okay, all right, I mean yeah, I'm in Holland. Okay,
all right, but yeah, like like our cornerback don't turn
their head. I feel that if they turned ahead, I
feel that day Definer could get some more some more interception.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
I'm not sure if if he necessary. I'm assuming you're
talking about the deep ball down the left side line
to DeVante Smith that he got called for defensive pass interference?
Is that the player call talking about?

Speaker 6 (24:46):
No, it was, it was actually it was actually on
the I think it was on the right side if
I'm correct, And and I don't, I don't think there.
I don't think there was a flag.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
On that one.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
I think he just basically said that our cornerback then
turn ahead and the ball they just went like right
past them.

Speaker 8 (25:02):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I don't remember that part.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
Yeah, And I just watched the game again and and
real quick, the high five to the ref by by
Jackson Dart was like really really really funny. And I
just love the way scattab was just running over people.
And one more thing, one more thing. If we keep winning,
I feel a boy the end of this season, these

(25:26):
records can be changed. I feel we're good enough to
basically still make it to the playoffs. That's just the
way I feel.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Sounds good, Robbie. I appreciate the call on you. If
you can keep playing this well against good teams like
the Eagles, you have a chance. You have a chance
even the two and four. The shame of it is
that you've had every opportunity to be three and three
if not for the five turnovers against the Saints and
then sixty four yard field or whatever it was against
the Dallas Cowboys. So look, it is what it is.
You are where you are. You got tough games coming.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Up that'd make good, that'll make the Giant fom two.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
I think asking for both of them, probably being a
little bit grady, I'll ask for one of them.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
No, I understand, but this, this is the thing with
the Giants, man, Like the season is still in front
of them. You know the statistically, you know, no team,
whatever percentage of the teams that started zering three didn't
make it. Those numbers don't matter, you know what I mean,
Like it might predict that maybe they won't because of
but this team is not the same team that started
season on.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
It might mean it's unlikely. It doesn't mean that it
can't happen.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's exactly what it means. But it doesn't mean that
it's impossible, right, exactly right. You know, even if it
says zero, it's still not impossible because there's still gonna
be one team that does it. Why not be the Giants,
you know, And I don't want to look down the road.
This is a tough week coming up against a really
good Denver team, and to play in Denver it's very difficult.
Almost like died when I was there and I was
only playing special teams. I couldn't breathe. It was very

(26:46):
difficult to play in Denver. But they're up for a
tall task. So what I want from these Giants is
just to respond. Let's not read the clippings. Let's keep
our focus because I feel like maybe it was a
lack of concentration against the Saints for all of mistakes
that was made. And let's not read the clippings. Let's
go in and say the Giants are still the underdog,
right and you have that mentality, go in and offensively,

(27:07):
they can keep scoring as early as they have that
can get the most out of this defense that just
filled with pass rushers that are hungry to get sacked.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Let's play with leads, man, play with leads. You can
run the football and you could rush the pass, and
if you could do that, you're great.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
That's the Eagles philosophy. That's the way the philosophy will last,
what five, six, seven years?

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Absolutely, let's go to Aiden in Boston. He's up next, Hi, Aiden.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Hey, how's it going guys? Happy victory Friday?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Go ahead? What are you at all?

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Right?

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (27:38):
So, first off, I want to say, like, how many
times it's been so long? I feel like it's been
since the coldst game when the Giants points the playoffs,
where like the Giants played like such a clean game
where they just run away from it in like the whole.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
It wasn't a clean game. It was not a clean game.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Though, well but year like in Seattle, I mean, that
was even clean. And then also I want you say
that like I feel like for just been so many
times where the Giants, like for a team like the
Eagles are, like I felt like it was a get
right game, like totally, and then like even the first player,

(28:21):
so Saquan ran for eighteen yards, I mean, is the
longest run the season was seventeen yards? And I felt like,
oh no, is this gonna be one of those games?
A j Brown and or not DeVante Smith A. J.
Brown gets back on track. But I mean the Giants
you always, you guys always talk about complementary football. I

(28:43):
mean all three sides. I mean we won this turnover bell,
I mean with how many points we scored, too, I
felt like, I mean, it wasn't perfect by every man.
I mean, like no game could ever be perfect, but
I feel like it's as good as it guess, And
I mean it's frustrating that, like not every game could

(29:04):
be like this, and I feel like, you're the Giants
did a good job taking care of the Eagles weaknesses,
just like they did against the Chargers. But it felt
really grave that like this was the game he could
finally run away with. And absolutely prime time narrative too,
I mean totally slipped in everybody counting the Giants out

(29:24):
in this game. I mean, I think the Eagles were
like a seven and a half point favorite Vegas.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, and look at it. But as Jackson Dard said
after the game, you know, I appreciate the call that
that stuff just doesn't matter at this point for the players.
They don't care about that stuff. But look for the
Giants to beat the Eagles. When the Eagles have all
their players playing and they're trying to win, to beat
them by three scores. Significant. You haven't seen the Giants
do that. And was it a completely clean game?

Speaker 8 (29:50):
Now?

Speaker 3 (29:50):
They had six penalties fifty five yards, but no turnovers
in the game for the Giants, and they played a
very good game. They played. They were pretty good against
the Chargers two weeks ago too. So that's two straight
home games where you can send Giant fans happy with
wins against good teams. So you can't argue with that.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Man, No, oh not at all, you know. And and
for the whole clean game, you're not gonna see a
clean game. But the turnovers is I think.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Only two the Giants have the two games that they
were on the positive turnover margin plus two in both games.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
That's it, and that's most likely. That's how you look
at all teams probably going to follow the same thing,
the same statistical type, you know, trend. That's just what
it is. It's the most important thing in football besides
actually scoring points is the turnover battle. And if they
can they can limit those. Man, I just I just
feel like this the offense and the ability with Kafka
can do with Dart, and it looks like they're trusting

(30:40):
it more, they're opening it up more. You know. I
feel like his passing yards will increase as time goes on,
especially if they are not playing with the lead and
they do have to pass the ball. I'm very comfortable
with that guy throwing the ball. You know, I hope
he doesn't throw the ball forty five times a game.
But I feel like the way he poised himself in
the pocket, his ability to escape, his ability to create

(31:03):
like that Wandale touchdown was was Jackson Dart. He created
that he was like pressured, He got out, rolled to
his right, kept his eyes downfield through a dime, and
then Wandelle Robinson did the rest. But Jackson Dart led
those first two touchdowns with his legs. He ran the
first one in and created more with his legs and
extended the time. And that's what you saw in college.
You know, I don't you know, I know, I don't

(31:23):
watch college ball. So when they when we drafted Jackson Dart, didn't,
I didn't know anything. And then I started watching him
a little bit. I said, Okay, I like that dude,
and and that is showing up here. You know, the
RPO game wasn't as prevalent as it was even against
the Chargers. Right, they're mixing it up a little bit
because I think they're trusting trusting him a lot more.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
I agree, and you should. The more he plays, the
more he should be able to do. Tim and Charleston.
He's up next, high.

Speaker 9 (31:46):
Tim John j. C.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
It feels like this is the second time I'm talking
to you today.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
It might be, well, well, well it was because I
think you called it what twelve forty five last night
on the post game show.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
It sounded like he texts me, so I was just
going to bed too.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Honestly, it's funny, I was. I will I will tell
you joke about that a second. Tim. It's sound in
the last night on the post game called that maybe
you had a couple of adult beverages watching that football
game last night. Is that true?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
A couple?

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Uh yeah, a couple. I thought I was out of
my patio one in the morning smoking a cigar, my
second victory cigar and neighbors. Now it can be my
normal labs out that anyway, Just just a complete team
victory offense, defense, special teams, our coverage teams were great.

(32:34):
That average starting field position. As Paul mentioned last night
thirty six Prus twenty two for them that you know
field position games, it just tilts the field. The other
things I just wanted I wanted to mention, you know,
second game in a row, we held the running check
after those first two to take the saquon slashing runs.

(32:54):
We allowed them under fifty yards rushing. I was very
happy to see Jalen get involved. Maybe that'll boost his
confidence and the kid kids start showing something in that
DPI in the end zone is spewed. And all the
Philly teams lost last night, which was icing on the cake,
and and and one thing at the at the end

(33:18):
of the game. On the broadcast, they called Dart and Scataboo.
They referred to them as the frat brothers. The frat
brother that.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
That is.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Not incorrect, that is not.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
And that's what they seem. Even though I'm not a
big fan of frat boys and New Yorkers generally aren't either,
but but that works for me.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
I mean, guys, Kim Scataboo ripped off his shirt and
flexed on the Amazon post game show. If that is
not frat boy behavior, I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I have done tons of sweet visits at stadium for
Giants fans, and there are tons of frat boys in
the see for sure.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah, well that's when they belong. They don't belong out
of them in the seats with the regular people. But anyway,
I don't want.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
To, but I feel like you had a bad experience
at a frat one day. Is that what happened on No.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
No, no, I never joined one, but one last thing,
I just wanted to say, on that last drive when
we just kept running it up the gut and count
them with scataboo, I'll tell you I had tears that
happened as literal tears in my eyes because it just
reminded me of old school Giants football. And in the
locker room speech that when Dave Ole did and he

(34:36):
put when he said, and the offensive line played great,
the whole rocker room route locker room erupted in the
clause and then he said, and on that last drive
when we ran it and that's really hard to do.
One guy yelled out, that's football, that's New York football,
and I was like, it just felt it just felt
so tricking old school guys. Thank you very much. Next

(34:58):
week and I'll take the rest up.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
There, and I love them giving mister Matrath the game
ball afterwards too.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, that was awesome, awesome. That was awesome actially with
the lugs that we got not too long ago. Correct,
And you know, there was a point that I wanted
to make earlier. I know why I did it, and
I got a lot of respect for Zach Bond. Cam
Scattabul ran through him all night.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Oh see, I thought you're going to talk about the
Jackson dar twenty yard touchdown run.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Went back to that. That's what I saw just now.
But then I was remember that cam scattabul ran him
over on the sideline and then ran through him for
a touchdown. I think it was consecutive place if I'm
not mistaking, you know. And I have a lot of
respect for Zach bard. Oh.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
He's a great player.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
He's a guy that stuck around in the league. You know.
It was in the New Orleans for a little bit
and not really and then he was All Pro last year.
And the Giants made Zack barn look a little.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Silly last year and timber up the special teams, I
should give some love. Paul's not here as usually our
special teams rep on on this show, Jimmy Gillen for
the second straight week. On these kickoffs, he's placing the
ball on the right spot.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Not the first one.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Not the first one, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
That's why I want He was like special teams. I
was like, there was some mistakes.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
No, the first one, you're right, because they got the
ball to forty. After that he forced Bigsby to drop
two kicks.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Is he putting like a spin of backspin on it
or something.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Like sideways spin? And then last week against the Saints,
he was putting the ball right at the goal lines,
so they had to return it in the same deal.
They down sometimes make tough desitation and the guys having
trouble catching it. So give Jamie Gillen some credit. Again,
he had the one bad one that went out to
the forty, but I'll take that if you're getting the
other really good plays that he's gotten them as the

(36:32):
kickoff guy the last two.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Weeks at you question sure right before the half was over,
the time I was called by the Giants when the
clock was running down, was there any like what was
the reason for that?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
I was so well, the Eagles called three timeouts as
the Giants were, Well, it was.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
It was the last possession for the Eagles. They had
a few seconds.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Well, I would imagine the Giants were just trying to
get their defense.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Set okay, because they probably sub sub laided or something
like that. Maybe they wasn't going to get that snap off.
The clock was going to run.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
The Giants called the timeout when the clock was mousing.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
No, no, it was. It was it was the passing complete.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Oh, the play clock was down that I didn't notice that.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I'm not sure it was the play clock, and I
didn't notice that at the stadium, but I noticed it
when I was watching the game today.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
I didn't realize and I was like why.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
But you might be right. It was probably trying to
get their defense signed. Toup probably was. I looked, you know,
off kilter. But then the half ended. The next place
is Jordan kept the ball.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
On a play like that, you just don't want them
to get over the top. Maybe they saw something within
like a formation, or maybe one of their guys wasn't
deep enough or something like that. They wanted to make
sure they had things right.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Because when I saw I was like what, Because I
know what happened, but I didn't know that the Giants
called time out when I was at the stadium, So
when that happened, I was like, what like trying to
figure out what exactly is going on for the Giants
to do that, because you stopped the clock and they
would have probably got a penalty and got pushed back.
I don't know. You never know these things though. That's

(37:54):
why I asked you, because I didn't know if you
knew or not.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I did not. Let's go to Steven Stein on He's
up next, Steve, what's happening many John?

Speaker 9 (38:00):
Johnthan how you doing? And Hey John, how are you good?
Good talking to you guys? Yep, oh yeah, listen, you
know real. I actually I have a question, but I'll
get to that in a second. But I just like
kind of just to echo ninety nine percent of everyone
today seeing that game. Watching that game last night, I

(38:22):
have to say, brought back a lot of memories for me.
Uh watching some really good old Fish and Giant games.
Uh it did it just And I too, am not
ashamed to admit there was a couple of moments of
some tiers of happiness. But of course I blame my
wife because I told that the hot Wings are too hot.
But you know I needed an out, but uh yeah,

(38:45):
I need it and out, Jonathan. I needed it out,
you know.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
But that's great.

Speaker 9 (38:50):
It did, dude, that plausable deniability if you could get
away with it, get away with it. Because I couldn't move,
you know. My daughter's like, what's wrong with you? I'm like,
these wings are killing me.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
That lapped.

Speaker 9 (39:02):
I'm like, do you not feel the heat coming?

Speaker 8 (39:04):
Oh my god?

Speaker 4 (39:05):
But it was. It was funny.

Speaker 9 (39:07):
But my wife's like, yeah, okay, the sauce said mild,
but we'll go with it.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
But uh can't fool the wife, Steve. The wife always
knows the wife always.

Speaker 9 (39:16):
I mean, after about five minutes, she's like, something's not
right here because it says mild.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
You moron.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Me out.

Speaker 9 (39:24):
But my thing was it's you know, I will admit
I was one of those fans that I didn't want
Darth to start. I said, listen, let this kid learn.
They win one game, they can win ten games at
Russell Wilson. Just let him learn, let him watch. Let's
not let's not burn him out, you know, let's not.

(39:45):
Let's not have another Daniel Jones replay. But I have
to say up to this point, I think this was
a good move. And I love what I see because again,
that game yesterday was so early reminiscent of some good
old thing Ash and Giants football.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Man.

Speaker 9 (40:01):
I mean, I could remember watching back in the day
Giants Eagles games, them old NFC titled you know those
old NFC Sunday games two o'clock on Channel two. It
brought back a lot of memories. And you know, it's
good to see it. And and you know, listen, hopefully
they learned after the same New Orleans fiasco obviously, and
and I have to say, honestly, kudos kudos to that

(40:24):
offensive line, who, in my opinion, have really I'm going
to go back John and say, since week two I
noticed the subtle little changes and up to yesterday, I
thought that was one hell of a cohesive unit.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Bro.

Speaker 9 (40:36):
I mean they just connected.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, I would say, Steve, the big difference happened, of
course when Andrew Thomas got back in the lineup. I
mean that that god that he changes everything. And look
and Steve, look, I think you make a really good point.
Appreciate the call. Lay off the hotway one quick, yeah,
real quick, real quick, real fast.

Speaker 9 (40:56):
I have to ask and again loved what they did
yesterday freaking awesome. But why is it that shamee b
when it's just so in love with this zone defense?
You know, I'm kind of wondering what a guy like
who is a missile? Don't you think once in a
while you kind of wanted to send him over the middle.
I'm just curious. Do you think going into Denver's game

(41:17):
and then the rematch with Egles, do you kind of
see him being maybe mixing up the schemes? Thank you, guys.
You guys a go big blue.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Go big blue, see Steve. They play off man a lot,
so maybe that's why it's confusing you. But the Giants
play man at the second or third highest rate of
any team in the National Footballer. They're almost forty percent
this year.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, and it was less a little bit yesterday, But
I thought it was more because they've played a lot
more Cover three, which kind of is man with certain routes.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
And by the way, Corns can kind of look like
man too sometimes depending on how teams run against it.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, well, I mean I don't really know that because
he kind of is wrong about the last point that
he made. But man and man defense, if you can
play man and man defense. It's the best defense to play.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
What I Here's the thing. Bowen's play calling becomes so
creative and upfront when the team's playing with the lead.
It's almost like watching a different defensive coordinator, Like, don't
you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
The formations, the guys standing up, the stunts, the twists,
the movement, the fake, but the dropping out.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Again as the season goes on. But we've been playing
with leads.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Well, you know, maybe maybe you're right, maybe it is
that I don't know, whatever the case might be. These
two games where they've had leads and they're able to
play from ahead, I've seen some lot of fun stuff
that they're doing upfront and different things with these guys
to create pressure.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
And when you can get creative, you know, you you
give a quarterback different things to look at, you know,
you show something and the hesitation, the not knowing exactly
what a defense is in when you snap that ball.
When you do that, most quarterbacks in the league can
pretty much pick you apart. The decent ones can. The
decent ones can do a good job against that. The

(42:54):
really good ones will shred up.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Yeah, and look, I know there's a lot of talk
last week about all the giants they have like one
of the lowest disguise rates in the league and stuff
like that. I don't know. To me, they start with
two safeties deep almost all the time and then they
move into other stuff. So to me, I don't think
they're they're before the snaps signaling all right, we're single
high here, will work too high here, you're the defensive guy.
You correct me. But I feel like they rarely play

(43:17):
with a loaded box. They play with light boxes. They
play two safeties high, and then they do everything off
of that. Or am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (43:23):
No, it looks like that. Yeah, it looks like that.
I talked about a couple of weeks ago about like
some some motions that they kind of got down late
with because their safety was basically high up right, you know.
So it's it's good when you can look the same
every time the ball is snapped. That's confusing, too, right,
because if you don't show your hand, like because you know,

(43:45):
first down, second down, third down, and you look exactly
the same on defense, but you're running different defenses, that
complicates a lot.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
It's the same thing with same things, like they always
about Sean mcvah and the offense. Right as runs look like passes,
this pass it look like runs. Everything looks the same
and look hopefully you will see more of that the
sky stuff as you get further into the season, to
your point and the secondary, the communication gets better. They
get used to playing with each other. Two points. I
want to the build times. I thought sty've made some
really good ones. The offensive line. The protection is certainly
better than run blocking. I thought this week was even

(44:12):
better than the pass protection. And again the pass protection
I thought wasn't as good as the last two weeks,
but I thought it was still good enough. The thing
about Dart, because that was one of the guys I
wanted to wait to put him into, so I want
to address his points. I think he made a good one.
I think there were a couple things that I underestimated. One.
Since he's coming to be the starter, I think the
protection has been a lot better. So I think that's

(44:33):
given him the chance to succeed. Yes, it certainly has
helped number two, and I do think this is important.
They've run the ball a lot better. I remember they
had in the two games that they won with Jackson Dart,
they ran the ball over forty times in one game,
and I think it was thirty nine times yesterday, right,
So that's going to help a young quarterback. John. How
many times have we seen this team be able to

(44:53):
run being able to run the ball forty times at
a game because of the game flow in the score
they can't, So again, that help the quarterback. And then
this is the last part of it in terms of
Darda as a passer, is he's looked exactly how I
thought he would look if they brought him in early
in the year. You know, this isn't a lot of
get back, get to year, fourth or fourth step, go
through three progressions and get rid of the ball. That's

(45:14):
not what we're seeing now. Again, there were a couple
players where we did see that, and I think we're
seeing more of it, and that's great. I didn't think
his athleticism would play as well as it has in
the NFL. I thought, yeah, in college he can move
around a little bit, he can create some space, and
not that he would be immobile in the pros. He
would still be able to move around, gain some yards

(45:34):
on scrambles. I didn't think he'd be shaking all pro
linebackers that were spying him in the middle of the field.
He was the spy on that play. I did not
think that was gonna be the level of his athleticism.
So I think his legs have impacted the game more.
And we've talked about this around draft time. I'm not
sure I've said it to you on any of our shows.

(45:55):
I've certainly said it on the air and to Paul.
It's very hard to draft pocket only quarterbacks now right
because it takes so long for the college kids to
figure out how to win in the pocket. In the NFL,
how do you survive the growing pains?

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Right?

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Not everyone's Joe Burrow where they figure this stuff out
right away. The only reason Josh Allen is able to
stay on the field the first two years of his
career is because of what he could do as a runner.
He was a mess as a passer, a mess. So
Dart will allow you to keep him on the field
because of the loose plays, keeping plays alive with his
legs running. So even it takes a while for the

(46:32):
other stuff to come around, the art of playing quarterback
in the NFL is what I'll call it. You can
still be successful because of the legs, because of the athleticism,
because of the creative plays that he can make. And
while I thought, again he had the mobility, I didn't
think the level of creativity would reach the level it
has against NFL defenders because it's different going from college

(46:54):
to the pros. But to his credit, he's been able
to do it, and that's why it's been able to work.
Coming in just in you know, week four.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
I fully agree. He's definitely surprised me because I never
thought that his legs would take him this far. Because
this is this is not the strongest part of his game.
His game is throwing the football, right, That's what he
did in the sec He threw the football.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Second very was it second player in NFL history to
have more than fifty rushing yards in his first three
starts as a rookie quarterback or something like that.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
That's crazy, that is crazy. And they were like the decisiveness, right,
the awareness to be able to pull those things off.
There was a play where he put his head down
and got the first down on the sideline. Right, I
need a little bit more discernment. I need a little
bit more of that.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
I'll live with it. If he's trying to get a
first down.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Yeah, but don't right, I agree with that. I agree
with that, but like just don't take unnecessary ones.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Yes, correct?

Speaker 2 (47:51):
You know this is literally the whole organization is depending
on you know, like his history, like the guys that's
called it in here, that's been fans for sixty years.
They're depending on you, Jackson, you.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Know, and do it for Steven Staten Island Jackson.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Oh, let me tell you. I watched the Saints game
and I was in down there. I was in I
was in Benson Sweet Rida Benson Sweet.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Wearing your little uh jersey? No, sir, oh really, there
was no Saint jersey.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I was neutral. I only wear Giants gear now now,
I mean I'll wear my Saints hat. I wear other teams.
But I didn't do it there.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
They didn't show it on TV. When you said to
the coin toss, did you have the Saints jersey on
the No?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
No, no, I didn't have a jersey on the whole time.
I had a white literally a white teacher, white Jordan's
on blue jeans.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
What was that like? Being the coin toss?

Speaker 2 (48:39):
It was cool, But Burns is looking at me like, bro,
really bro? Yeah, I posted a video. You see me
go like this because he was looking at me like that,
but like I'm with camp Jordan's like, you know my
former DA Tomorrio Davis, I've known for a long time.
I had like a twenty minute conversation with Drew Brees
before the game. We were just on the field, just

(48:59):
chopping it up and and that was good. And I
told him because he told me a couple of things
in my career that really kind of got my confidence up.
You know. I told him about the time where he
was like, hey sixty two. First of all, wore number
sixty two at linebacker, two hundred twenty five pounds.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
That is a bad line back number.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
It's a bad line So he said, hey sixty two, man,
you're doing a good job. Keep it up. And I
was like what, Like he don't know my name, but
like yo, like he's giving me acknowledgement. And then when
I was playing for Tampa, when we played in New
Orleans and they beat us, and I'm walking up the
field and I said by all my other guys and
Drew ran to me. He came over to me and
grabbed me and said, man, keep keep it up.

Speaker 9 (49:38):
Man.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I'm so proud of you, da da da, and again
the confidence that he had because it's Drew brees Man,
like hall fame quarterback, you know, like and his leadership
and all of that stuff. So I was able to
do that with him. I was in a suite. I was.
I did my Sweet visits in New Orleans and like,
I didn't do here for the Giants, and then I
get to the suite and then I don't know if
it was the first dart run or one of the

(49:59):
runw he was running and I was like slide and
the whole Sweet turned around and looked at me like this,
just go sit down, sit down. It was so hard
to watch.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
For the giants in the Saints Odors.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Sweet.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Next, MAO, shake your head, brother, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I sat down and that was really quiet. After that,
That is, I didn't really react to anything. I was like, okay,
that's not good.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
It's funny. I had in my head I wanted to
ask you about that stuff. I completely forgot about it
with everything that happened last night, But now that you
mentioned it, that's it was. It was, that's we have
to talk about that. That's very funny. All right, let's
go to is this ke Jon keywan kwan in Patterson?
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Mans is a key.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Key one. What's going on?

Speaker 8 (50:52):
Man?

Speaker 3 (50:52):
How are you doing?

Speaker 8 (50:53):
Man? Well?

Speaker 7 (50:55):
Well man, it is just on my cam scatter blue
stuff right now, man, great win. All I'm gonna say
is next two weeks, I think we're gonna get back
to five hundred fellas. This quarterback is amazing. He's he's
definitely the future. He's the real deal. Way better than
Daniel Jones, no disrespect and.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
And and Kean. Just just just remember what Daniel Jones
looked like as a rookie and the phone calls we
were taking on these shows. And he was a rookie.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Hear game.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
He won his first two games as a starter.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
It's incredible.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
He was good.

Speaker 9 (51:31):
He was good.

Speaker 7 (51:31):
Just my opinion. I just like there's something about dark
that it wasn't with him, and it's not very few
quarterbacks has it on my front. Well, everybody's preparing them
to Josh Allen. He has a long ways to go,
but once he gets there, definitely he's our guy.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
It is not it is not fair to compare anyone
the Josh Allen. Josh Allen is a mutant. He is
different exactly. Jackson Dart is going to be his own dude,
and that's okay.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Exactly exactly.

Speaker 7 (52:01):
But yeah, man, looking forward to great Giants football. I
enjoyed the win. I enjoyed the hell out of it.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
With some booze.

Speaker 7 (52:10):
You guys have a great uh. I actually reside in
Jersey City too, Man, I never knew you were from
Jersey City. Beautiful city. Beautiful city to live in a
great environment. The atmosphere is amazing.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
But gods, I have a good day, right man, Yeah, YouTube,
key one, thank you for the call. Man, really appreciate it.
On the Dart stuff, guys, just remember it's the first
three games, Jase. What's the most yards he's going for
in the game this year? Two of two actually against
the Saints. A lot of but some of that isn't.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Times and I think I over looked at.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
And that is and that is some garbage time yardage.
Two scores late. So let's guys, he's been and Dave
said it in US press conference today. You should be
excited about Jackson Dart. He has a lot We've talked
about all the great things. He's long way to go
before you know, you have your guy for the next
ten or fifteen years. Yeah, long way.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Tod, and I do expect a New Orleans game to
happen again for him because.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
He's a rookie. Of course it's going to Yeah, and
he's sure and that's okay.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
He can play. And as far as guys saying he's
not ready, he wasn't ready. No one is ready to
play quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 9 (53:26):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
No, It's like having a child for the first time.
It's like you're not ready until you have the child,
you know, but you can be prepared as much as
possible mentally and physically. And he was, you know, ready
to go.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Let's wrap this up. Jac Marcus in California is our
last call on Marcus? What's up?

Speaker 8 (53:42):
Hey, guys, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
We're great.

Speaker 8 (53:44):
I called it. I told John or Shawn and madaway
we were gonna win beat the Eagles. Man. JC trying
to get me to go to the New Orleans game,
and John talked to me out though the Dallas game.
What's going on with you guys?

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Man? Hey, what I tried to get you go to
the Denver game of the Giants win next week?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
That means I was right, Hey, I had a good time.
Wasn't so good, but I had a great time.

Speaker 8 (54:10):
I'm sure you did. I'm sure you did. Hey, So
this is my only question, like my staym in and
my question. So beginning of the year, all I really
was hoping for with Jackson Dart was for him to
look like Bo Nicks, right like that was I was
okay if he played like bo Nicks.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
And I think it's been similar. I think it's been similar.

Speaker 8 (54:27):
Yeah, I think he is. I do. I'm happy. I'm well,
I'm way happy. Man. I was telling my wife last night,
like I feel like we're back, Like we're not going
to win the Super Bowl this year, but I felt
like the Giants are back with Camon and Jackson. But
I like his attitude. I see more Jorge Burrow out
of him, Like he's not going to carve him up
with his arm and stuff because he doesn't have Chasing Higgins.

(54:48):
But I feel like his attitudes more Joe Burrow. But
my question is is if we go one in one
over the next two weeks, right either way, if we're
three and five, do we trade for a wide receiver
or do we just ride out the year and let
it be where it is?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Because I don't think go ahead.

Speaker 8 (55:07):
I'm sorry, No, I just I love the way the
guy stepped up and stuff. I just don't know that
it's like being able to be continued, you know, like
I got you, so if you like, I know that
we should be in great salary cap next year. So
if we do get somebody that does have a little
bit of a contract, I mean, we have Jackson Dart
on a rookie contract, we don't have to pay cave

(55:29):
On for another year, which I absolutely think we should
pay cave On at least until we have to pay
Abdel harder. And so yeah, I just if we win
another game, if we go one in one or even
you know, if we go to four and four, I
think we have to get a wide receiver. I just
know that we don't have a third round pick, so
I was thinking maybe next year's fourth and a twenty

(55:50):
seven like second round, and maybe they would trade for
T Higgins if you know, Joe Flacko loses the next
two games or yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah the market thanks for the call man.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
It would have been before the Higgins contract, correct.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah, look, I think you would trade for someone that
would be here long term. I don't think you made
a trade. You don't make a trade for a rental.
I'm not tree your young team you're developing. You don't
trade draft picks for a rental future draft picks. Somebody
that's locked up long term and it is going to
be here and his young guy. You don't have to
pay him right away. Sure, i'd be open to something
like that that does that player exist? But I don't
know the answer.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
He has just got signed, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Right, Yeah, that's yeah, So that we're gonna have to.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Give a leg to get him and coverage contract.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
And they're just not trading him, right, That's all right?
A couple of comments here, and then I have one
more question, Jason. We got about ninety seconds Avery Frederick.
People making plays for a quarterback a rarity in Giants
football over the last several years, except for the league numbers,
that is correct. A Hawkeye for twenty we have our
franchise quarterback. Won't even criticize overreactions to this game. Everyone
has earned the right to overreact to the win, however

(56:54):
they feel. We have been in the mudd for too
damn long. If there is a turnaround, the winner we
remember for starting it. No question, Hawkeye. We talk at
a littlely about stuff. Herbers a fan. Feel whatever you
want to feel, Johanni. The New York Giants have a ride.
I'm ready for the sights and sounds video. Mike Beckton
doesn't work at that right in the back, right now.
One of our great video editors, Avery again Brian burn'sman
and all pro. No argument for either one of us

(57:14):
on that one. Emmanuel Moore Burns is insane. But let's
make something clear. Having Katy Carter and DEXI helps him
and we cannot let Katie leave. Give that dude a contract.
MBO training a guard. I don't know. I think Illuminar
is more of the guy whould move in the guard
and have Bo start stay at at tackle. But I
would definitely resign a Luminari. He says that get a
frige and wide receiver or a wide receiver in the

(57:35):
first round. I get it. Sounds good, Greg Danim Thank god,
we needed that so bad. Can we turn the corner?
Go big blue for life? So happy Giant fans in
the chat today, jac this is the one question after
you a real quick got about thirty seconds before we
got a run. The way the Giants are winning games
this year doesn't remind you of how they won games
in twenty twenty two. It does, to me an awful lot.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah it does, but there winn't a lot of one
score games. This is a little beat down.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
This was a seventeen point win. Now the game because
the Charger is a little bit closer. But again, it
wasn't like a last possession type of game either. So
you're right, that is the difference between now and twenty two.
I just mean about how the offense is kind of
producing points, moving the ball, quarterback running a lot.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Is back in New York, and you can take a
mistake here, a mistake on defense and capitalize because you're
playing complimentary football.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Jac what was a pleasure man, brother, Let's see. We'll
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(58:49):
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