Big Blue Kickoff Live 10/2 | Zeroing in on the Saints

John Schmeelk and Jonathan Casillas zero in on the Saints, discuss the offense, and take calls from fans.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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mister Cassius. How are you, my friend?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I am good, bro? How are you, sir?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's a big rivalry game for the Casias taking on
your former teammate team in the Saints. So why don't
we start there? Playing in the Superdome. What's that's gonna
What is that gonna be like for the Giants on Sunday?
For a guy that's very familiar with the building.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
The Superdome is extremely loud, no matter if it's full,
you know, or if it's at about half capacity, which
is never at but it's always loud. You know, I
don't know about the engineering dynamics in there, but it's
extremely loud. When I was playing defense there, the number
one thing I wanted to do is get the crowd hype.
So the Giants offense will be up against I think,
you know, the noisiest environment, especially for this young quarterback

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that they have been in probably a long time, and
we have to see how the Giants do. The Giants
have made mistakes on offense pre snap penalties and communication
might be an issue for the offense because how loud
it is in a super dome.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
So let me ask you this part of it. Because
the Giants did use no huddle a fair amount in
that game last week at home against the Chargers. Is
that possible in an environment like that? And what's the adjustment?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Is it all that hand signals? Like? How does that work?

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I would say yes, But remember young quarterback only making
a second start. How familiar is he with all of
the hand movements right, all the hand motions, all of
the signals that you know that are you know, nonverbal, right?
How familiar is he? You know, it'd be really a
surprise to me if he just runs it without being
able to talk to his players, which some teams do.

(02:14):
I just don't know if he's there yet, and I
do expect there might be some type of issues that
the Giants might have because super Dume's loud. You got
a young quarterback who it's not that he's not familiar,
it's just he's learning.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
So many he has playing a bunch of loud stadiums
in the SEC.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's not that he doesn't
have familiarity, it's just this is a new offense for him.
You know, he's been here for a few months. Really,
let's really think about it. He's only been here for
a few months. Yep, he's only been started for two weeks. Right,
that's what six practices, you know. And I'm pretty sure
they was pumping, you know, in the right the noise
here at practice, but that can't replicate the super Dome.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
So if they do have issues, what does that look like?
Are we talking pre styt penalties? Are we talking out
of with maybe some of the pre snap motion stuff.
Are we talking not getting the protections right? What if
there are issues with the noise, how do those manifest
themselves into the game.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think you hit it right there, and those all
things that can break down an offense and then fall
start penalties from any position because you're probably going on
a silent count. You know that that has to be.
It has to be you know, chemistry there, and it
takes a while for that to develop. Schmolke, you know.
And like I said, it's only really been six practices
before he's starting this game that he's gonna have with

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the starting team. So best of luck to Jackson. Are
playing in a super dome. But look, the kids built
for it, you know. I think the kid, you know,
he's he's a guy that you know, plays up to
the competition. I think he's a guy that's that rises,
you know, to the occasion when to the occasion when
his number is called.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Things aren't too big for him. It doesn't seem like no.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Not at all. I just hopefully make some smart decisions,
especially when he's running the football down the field.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well and look and the other part of the smart
decision to Jay Siedem into drug ja. He never really
put the ball in danger last week except for the
one fumble snap.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Other than that, throwing the football, he really only threw
to the guys if they were really open.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, and he was decisive, right, he was decisive, he definitely.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I think he held it a little bit here, chucked
the ball.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Right, But I'm talking about when he decided to run. Yes, correct,
he made those really decisive things. I think those situations
that you're talking about when he held on, I think
that was just because he was trying to be a
passer and he did not want to run the football,
you know what I mean? I agree, So for him
trying to do that, there's still a clock that has
to be there because these guys, these defensive ends in

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this league. I mean, Cameron Jordan has one hundred and
twenty something career sacks, right, had one against Buffalo last week.
So he's gonna be we have pressure, he's gonna have
guys that are relentless after him. He has to have
that clock in his head.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, no question about it. And look, let's talk about
then the Saints defense. Brandon Staley. Fans should know him,
former head coach of the Chargers before that, defensive coordinator
for the Rams under Sean Bgvay. And this is not
gonna be all that dissimilar JC to what Dart saw
last week against the Chargers again near the bottom of

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the league in the terms of number of times they
played cover one makes sense. They don't have a bunch
of really top cornerbacks on this team to man up.
They're not gonna blitz a ton. It is more than
what the Chargers did last week, but I don't think
you can see a ton of blitzes. And it's it's
a lot of own and it's a lot of trying
to keep two guys over the top, not let guys

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get behind you. So that at least for Dart should
look pretty familiar going from last week to this week.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, unless they just switch up the game plan right.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Which, by the way, and it's funny, I was.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
They were going to get Josh Alten last week.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Right Well, No, I just mean it in terms of
what the Chargers did to the Giants last week. With
the Saints did it'll be similar. I think what they
did to the Giants, But and I think this is
what we're gonna see moving forward now. And I'm gonna
get back to the neighbor's part of this whole thing,
but he's not here anymore. And jac you can speak
to this when your defense and you go up to
a team and you're playing a team in any given

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week and you don't have really any real fear for
their wide receivers. What do you want to do? Get
the quarterback but outside with your secondary? How do you
want to play those who.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Play them tough? Play them up front, keep the guys
in their faces.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
You're pressing your play man.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, for sure, that's what you can. That's frustrated quarterback
because you're getting hands on his targets.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Now, that's not what the Chargers do. And they didn't
make that adjustment last week after Neighbors went after out
of the game, they kept playing two safeties deep. They
kind of let the Giants run the ball as they
wanted to. Now, they weren't getting huge chunks, but they
were getting you know, three four five yards at a clip.
And I wonder if the Chargers are going I know
some teams are like when they put the eglesivic Fangio,

(06:46):
they're not going to give the Giants receivers any breathing space, right,
They're just not. Will the Chargers make that adjustment based
on who the Giants wide receivers are to be? As name?
What did I say the Chargers? Will the Saints make
that adjustment sorry this week based on who the Giants
have out there and wide receiver, given neighbors lack of
explosiveness on the.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Field, they should because Neighbors is a game changer. Right,
every week you go in as a defense, you go
to look at who's the blue chip players, right, and
they're literally in blue on a scattering port because they're
elite players. Neighbors is gone. The Giants really don't have
another guy that maybe he's even even in the category
right underneath elite, which is great or whatever you want
to call it. Besides Andrew Thomas, Right, so what do

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you want to do? You got a rookie quarterback? What
are you supposed what do you do a rookie quarterback?
You fluster him? So I think we're going to see
some things that maybe we haven't seen on film from
this defense and the Saints because of the rookie quarterback,
because of the assence of movie.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
And that was my question, that's exactly I want to know.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, But I mean that's what you do is like,
who do we figure out how to stop? It's like, well,
the quarterback, because he's young, so let's give him different
looks and they move around a lot. I see a
lot of similarities to both offense and defense with the
Saints and the Giants like both sides of the ball.
The defense, especially last week against against the Bills. I
haven't watched the games. I'm gonna do that, but I've

(08:02):
broke down to the twenty two and I'm watching. I'm like, man,
there's a lot of problems, a lot of young DB's,
a lot of safeties not being in the right position.
That allowed a lot of big runs. That's the Giants.
That's what the Giants have been doing a lot this
year against the run.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
They missed tackles against James Week.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Oh yeah, a lot of miss tacks, a lot of missackles.
Their dbs didn't tackle that well. Uh, I mean, David,
he's one of the great tackles in the league. He
didn't tackle that well. I mean, there are the Bills
receiver what's the guy named Shazir uh Shakira Shakuir. They
he missed the tackle in the big on the big
the big touchdown that you had early in the game.
And this is this is one of the best tacklers

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in the league. In the tomorrow Davis, So I think
they will improve there. And look, if you're going against
the Giants this week, for me, you don't have neighbors.
The Giants want to run a football. You think about
a team that struggles in the red zone, what are
they going to do? They want to run a football.
That's the Giants. So I think the number one goal
for the same defense is gonna stop the Giants run game.
Jackson Darts run game too.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
You took the words out of my mouth, so I agree.
I think you start talk. You stop cam Skataboo early.
You try to get Jackson Dart into second and third
and lungs and then jac at some point. And I
don't know if it's gonna be a spy. I don't
know if it's just gonna be keeping a couple of
linebackers a little bit more shallow in their his own coverages. Eventually,
teams are gonna say, look, we're not gonna let this
guy beat us with his legs. Remember he's not Lamar Jackson,

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he's not Josh Allen. He's a good scramble, he's a
good athlete. He's not elite, right, He's not some guy
that's gonna be shaking guys and making guys missing in
the open field. So at some point, and does it
happen this week? Do team say Jackson, We're gonna take
away the scramble part of your game. You can do
that if you're a defense and you want to sit
to something to do that.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
It's hard to do that, though.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
We talk about some of the ways the defense can
do that and how maybe that might open some other
things up to the Giants.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
With number one, you can't ever you can't ever let
the offense know exactly what you're doing, right, Like if
you line up guys which I've seen the Giants do
with with abdub Carter, he's obviously the spy in the situation.
You know, like he's off the ball, he's kind of
moving around and he stays there. It's easy when you
know where this spy is at. Even if you have
a spy, it's easy when you know because you can

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manipulate him by stepping up one weight and going the
other way. Right, you have to give different looks to
this offense. And like I said, when you got a
young quarterback, you give him different looks, right, You make
him see something before the snap, and on the snap
he sees something else right, Maybe he thought this the
pressures coming from this side and it's coming from the
other side. It's no real recipe on how to exactly
do it. Because Lamar Jackson's of the world. The guys

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that you know built scrambling into their playmaking abilities, like
Josh Allen, they just torch you, like no matter what
defense you have. It's a little bit of luck that's involved,
you know, in situations like that. But I love the
confidence that Jackson Dark plays with. I love the confidence
that Scatable has because when you look at the loss
of elite Davers, which is huge, you're losing a primary target,

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one of the better receivers in the league. He's not
a better young receiver, he's one of the top guys
in the league.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
You cannot overstate how losing a guy like that get
impact an offense.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
It's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
But if you look at the Giants last week without him,
who was the guys? It was dark and it was scatterable,
and it wasn't just their play on the field and
how they they basically were both physical beings running a football.
I don't know why Jackson Dark tried to do that.
Stiff Ford late he had coming out for a player too,
but like.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
And he has to learn, and he even said, like, dude,
that was a mistake. That might have been a bad idea.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
He has to learn. And even Cam Scattable he's not
a big guy, he's small, but the physicality that he
brings to this offense, I think they feed off of it.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
No, I think they do too. I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
And that's gonna be the for the Giants. It's like,
all right, what do we do against the Saints offense?
It's like, all right, I mean the same defense. We're
gonna run the ball. We're gonna establish a physical mentality.
So on the Saints, you have to be thinking the
same thing. We're not gonna allow them to run the
ball on us. I mean, they give up a lot
of rushing yards last week. Buffalo can run against anybody,
but they also ran the ball very well, especially in

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the first half last week against Buffalo. So I think
there's gonna be another game like we saw last week
from the Giants offensively trying to run the football, and
I think the Saints are gonna take the same approach.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I agree with you, all right, So let's look at
the Saints offense. Now, it's funny Spencer Rattler coming out.
If you watched him in college, he was kind of
like this free wheeling throw the ball down the field,
make big plays, but he was inconsistent. You would make mistakes,
he'd throw picks. And he's kind of pulled that back
a lot here this year. Five touchdown, just one interception

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on the year. Good touchdown to their scepti ratio. But
the Saints only four pass completions of twenty yards or
more this year. Everything's been stationed a station. They have
not made chunk plays. And their offense, they have some
players that are good players. They have some high draft
picks on the offensive line, but jac there's just no
dynamous dynamicism to this offense. Yeah, where you're getting explosives

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and you're getting down the field and I think they're
talking to a couple guys that cover the Saints. That's
something that everyone knows has to come and they just
just hasn't showed up yet.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, they're trying to figure it out what they are
on offense. You know, Spencer Ratler, to be honest with you,
he looks like Jackson Dart on film against the Bills.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
The way he ran last week, it was very similar.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I agree with you, you know, the RPO game. They were
doing a lot of RPO stuff with him, you know.
And I'm looking at their big players. The biggest play
is to Rahiet. Shit, he thirty nine yards.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Chrystal Lovey does not have a completion of over fifteen
yards yet, that's crazy. He's a good player, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah he is. I mean they're leading receivers, they're tight
end Jawan Johnson, who's a great tight end.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Now and also a misspractice yesterday by the way.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
What meaning like injured? Yes, okay, let's say he just
missed it. Also, yeah he I remember the catch that
he hurt himself on. But yeah, So the Giants are
gonna have to do a good job. I believe in
the run game. And if you do a good job
in a run game, you can make them one dimensional.
And I don't think Spencer Ratler is going to be
the guy to beat you, especially what the Giants did
to Justin Herbert last week. Right, And I said this

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on Hangouts the other day. I don't watching the film again.
I don't know why the Chargers through the ball as mine.
They did neither do I when the run game was
working for them, and it wasn't just one or two plays,
it was not which Paul Detina was like, Jayce was
just if you take away the long run by the
running back and then you take away to the Herbert scrambled.
He was like yeah, And I'm like, no, Paul, that

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wasn't what happened. The Giants were leaky the whole game.
They were getting big first downs throughout the game, the
average eleven yards to carry.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I mean they I think he'd only want one, maybe
two negative runs the whole game.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Everything was getting the first downs, you know. And look,
when you watch that on film, you gotta say, how
do we beat this offense? I mean, how we beat
this defense? The defense made a point last week, good
luck passing the ball against us. That's what they said
on film. That's what that film looked like. Good luck
passing the ball on us. So if I was a Giant,
I mean the Giants, the Saints. If I was the Saints,
I would say, Okay, we're not gonna try to throw

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the ball fifty times against them. We're gonna run the
ball as much as possible. We're gonna do the rpo game.
We're gonna put the ball in Spencer Ratler's hands to
run the football because that gives us an extra block.
So I do see the offense for the Saints attacking
the Giants defense in the run game because the lack
of explosivity right on offense, they just don't have it there.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, I agree with you, and I was impressed by
both running backs against the Bills. Kamar still looks pretty good.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yep, credit Mill look great against them.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Hendrey and Miller excellent. Ran with power, explosion downhill between
the tackles. I liked how they kind of kept using Kamar.
They kind of ran right at the offensive tackle and
if he gets blocked out, I mean, and then if
he blocks the edge player out, he goes inside. If
he blocks the edge player in, then he'll just kind
of try to get to the sideline a little bit.

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So this Saints run game is good. So you're gonna
have to do a good job again.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
And they have lineman now, so what you don't want
to do is have younger guys in there and put
them in a lot of passing situations, give them confidence
to run the ball early. This is I see a
fast game early, meaning a lot of runs early from
both sides.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
I see it being low scoring, you know, I see
it being a battle kind of who can run the ball,
who can establish that? And the Giants got to do
good and third and good in the red zone. These
teams haven't been good on either one of those situations.
Haven't been good in red and haven't been good in
the red zone. So I mean on third down yep.
So this is a game. It's like, all right, this
team is on four, right, the Giants are one and three.
This is a team is like, all right, we can

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do something. Both sides are thinking that. Both sides are
thinking like, we can go into this game and do
what we need to do to get back on tracks.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I Joe. Giant fans are all pumped. Oh, you're playing
an all four seats team. You've a chance to go
two and three. You know what The Saints are saying, right,
the Giants are the last team we beat last year.
The Saints have lost like ten straight games the last
I didn't know that the last team the Giants beat
the Saints beat.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
We're the Giants.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Spencer Rava has not won an NFL start.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yet, right, He's all in ten. I believe that's insane.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
It's crazy, that's insane. So the Saints are sitting there
looking their chops like it's time to get off the
schneid here for us. Yeah, so that's kind of both.
That's how both teams are looking at that.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
And for for any fans out there who are real fans,
there is no such thing as an easy game. I'm sorry,
it's just not. I don't care what their record is.
They're all pro they're all pros. Sometimes the ball doesn't
bounce their way. There's not a lot of blowouts in
the NFL, and if it happens, it's not even the
worst team. Last year, what was it, Bills beat Miami
like seventy to twenty after Miami beat somebody like fifty.

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Like that happens every now and again. But most games
are one possession games, possibly two possession games. And if
you watch the film last week, Saint Saints were better
than the Bills in the first half last week.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
If they don't throw that interception on that Philly special,
they're winning the game at half time.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
They were winning the game at half time. They had
multiple opportunities in the second quarter. Yeah, take the lead. Absolutely,
they had an interception. Oh they had to drop on
third down.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
On third they had uncharacteristic drops this year. Yeah, weird
a good player.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
And then another time where they dropped the interception, which
like all those happening like the span of three to
five minutes, you could gotta leave then, you know, but
you know things don't happen that way. This is not like,
of course the season is still early, like teams haven't
given up, you know, like there's no there's no like
all this team's giving up. No, it's nobody's giving up.
I don't care what their record is. You're gonna get

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the Saint's best job. They're gonna play their best football
this Sunday in the super dumb that they played all year,
because that's what you do when you're own four. What
do we need to do? They've already improved their penalties, right,
They've been a penalty laden team and when the team
when they went up to Seattle, they have penalties all
over the place. I think they only had a couple
maybe four or five last week against the Bills. So
they're trying to show up. They're trying to make themselves

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a discipline team that can win football games, and it's
starting this weekend against the Giants.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
All right, before we get to your calls, a quick
look at the injury report. It is rather lengthy for
both these teams, so I want to make sure that
fans know what's going on. All right. For the Giants yesterday,
Tyron Tracy did not practice. He's not quite there yet.
He's gonna need a little bit more time to get
that shoulder right. Tyler Nuban did not practice with a
groin injury, and both other Giants safeties were limited, Dan
Belton with the shoulder, Javon Holland with the next. So

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that's position is one to watch for sure for the
Giants this week. Greg Van Roden had a rest ae,
Dexter Lawrence was sick. He was not in the building,
so you figure those two guys are gonna be fine.
DJ Davidson, Golston, John Michael SCHMIDTZ Nacho all limited. I
think the thought is that Nacho could make it back
this week after missing the last couple of games, and
then Dart with a hamstrings Scataboo with a knee. They

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both practiced in full. Dart said he feels great moving
forward and the Russell Wilson had ankle. He had a
full participation as well for the Saints. Again, sop to
keep an eye on this week. Juwan Johnson ankle did
not practice. He's been great for them this Year's put
almost like ninety go ahead. He's put almost like ninety
percent of the snaps. He's his Snapcat's been unbelievable. Trevor Penning,

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who did miss the first three games of the year.
He returned last week. I'm my guess is that's just
a maintenance thing because I don't think he left that
game last week, so he is an ankle. I would
expect him to play. Caesar Ruiz, they're starting guard. He's
out for probably about a month with an ankle injury.
His backup would be I think it's Dylan Radens. I
don't think it's Dunes. I believe it's Dylan Raidens. He

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is a toe. He would be the guy to play
if Ruiz can't go, and then if Raidens can't go,
it's gonna be tors Serah tors Selly Simpkins. I believe
that guard, a rookie that would go with guard, and
then Chase Young's not gonna play this week. He's been
out all the year with a calf injury. Taysom Hill
forced them a road just got brought off of IR.

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My guess is that it's gonna take more than a
week to get them going, so I'm thinking probably not
for them. And then Trey Promer, Justin Reid, Justin Ridgeway
also just got Tiken off Ir and Isaac Gyadam all
were limited. Former Giant Isac Gadam, by the way, so
a lot of injuries are both teams attract this week.
Important to keep an eye on those. Jac mentioned. The
Giants hangout well, that is, I believe up right now

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on Giants dot com. So go check that out. You
hang out as a sidetacker brand Alondon this week London,
so you got Casius, London, Mandelin and Russ. They have
some fun and I was a little annoyed Russ did
not ask the trivia question I wanted to ask, So
I'm gonna ask you the trivia question right now. Okay,
this Super Bowl winner with the Saints has I'm trying

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to remember the number. I had one and a half
career sacks for the Giants and started twenty one games.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Me. Yeah, I didn't think about it is it is you.
That's funny. I probably got that one roll out have
been bad.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I asked to the group, and you would have been like, oh,
I know who it is. I would I see a
Brandon the mat a little.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I got the wrong answer on hangouts and he was
a guy on my team, and he gave me the
initials and everything, and I was there.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
By the way Russ's line that boy, Jac, you're on
the field, your defense is gonna fifty points. It awful lot,
very funny. You know we get fifty points, then probably.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Get it's so bad. Okay. I haven't been a part
of too many of those games, but both times I
was on the Giants or the Saints versus Designs Giants
or the Saints. Like I was either part of the defense.
That's so bad though, that's so bad? Like he was
asking me questions and I was like, I don't remember
that game because I blocked it out. It doesn't even

(22:01):
exist to me anymore.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
But it did happen, and Jac played a pivotal role
in that excellent defensive performance by your football giants. I
think the world would stay for that matter, all right.
Two die three and nine four five one three. Let's
go to Tim and Charleston A lead us off today. Tim,
what's going on? Man?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Hey guys, hey John Johnson up, dude. Two things, one
on offense, one on defense. First of all, Dark clearly
changes from my mind anyway, this entire offense in that
there's just so many more options, there's so many more
possibilities of things that they can run in the playbook.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Tim, I agree with you. I agree with you. Let
me just add something very quickly. I'm curiouscy if jac agrees,
and then you can continue. I don't think the way
the Giants worked in the passing game last week is
something you could sustain over a long period of time.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
No, you can't. I don't think so well. They Yeah, listen,
I'm I'm not too like, oh my god, they really didn't,
you know, try to get explosive. Really, it's more like
they're trying to ease him in, I think, And that's fine. Yeah,
I think they're trying to.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
You, you are going to win games with Jackson. Dart's
main weapon be in his likes and.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
And Tim's point with that being said, they easing him
and he still did more than we've seen. No, absolutely
from Russell in the play call and that they gave Russell.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
No And look the way I put it last week
is Dart was a playmaker. You know, some of the
art of playing quarterback stuff can certainly get better, taking sack,
seeing guys open down the field, things like that. But
he was a playmaker and he made plays when he
had to, and that helped to your point, plays that
maybe Rust at his advent's age can't make anymore. And
Dart was able to keep the possessions alive, especially on
third down with some of those.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
And Tim John, I think when when all said and
done this season, when we look back at who Jackson
Dart is, I think that's the name we're gonna call him.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
He's a playmaker, Tim, go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
I mean last week, that first drive, even before we
scored at the end of it, I already texted a
couple of people this offense already looks different. And I know,
knock against Russ because I like Russ. I'm glad we
signed him and everything, but I don't Russell. I don't
think Russell Wilson could have executed that first drive because
you know that the no huddle and the constant motion

(24:13):
and you know, the constant movement and just the way it.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Kept one really was that some I think it was
that Dart ran like four times, but fifty yards I
think that.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Too. But so so the one thing on the offense
this week, I mean, I think they got it. I
think you're right. You know, the Saints would probably try
to key on cutting down on our rushing ability early
and put us in longer ones, which means we've got
to have the screen game. We've got to have the
quick outs like we saw from Dart in the preseason
where he takes like a one and a half two

(24:44):
step drop and he sings zing bing zang, you know,
and just hit hitting guys quick out for three or
four yards and just let him do with do with
it what they can after that, and kind of keep
the defense from concentrating too much on the run game. Now,
I got to flip the page to the defense because,
as has always my concern, can we stop the run now?

(25:05):
Last week, even if you take out the big run
from Hampton and the big run from Herbert, we still
gave up six an average of six yards a game.
And last week against the Bills, the Saints put up
one hundred and eighty nine rushing yards, and if you
take away rattlers rushes, which there were six of those,

(25:25):
they still averaged rush five yards for run for rush
and the Bills the one fortune thing. I looked it
up because I said, oh, that vodes badly if the
Bills have a good rush of defense. They've actually allowed
more yards on the ground than the Giants this year,
so that made me feel just slightly better. But I
want to ask. I want to ask, you know, Jonathan,

(25:48):
I know it takes everyone. I've heard that from the
coaches eighteen times. It takes everyone. But really, what do
the Giants have to do to stop these gashing runs
up the middle? Aside from stopping Rattler from scrambling and
I'll leave that to our pass rush and hopefully when
they're not getting there, they keep that edge solid so

(26:09):
you can't slip underneath them. But Jonathan, you played, you
played enough, You played in the middle. You know what
it's like back there. What what what is the key
to stopping this? Thank you to take the rest off
the air.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Guys, Hey always good there for me. Body appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, well, Tim, great question, because the Giants haven't figured
out how to do it quite yet. But what I've
seen on film for the first four games that sample size,
I've definitely not thinking about last year at all because
they've got different people here. What I'm seeing is just
poor gap integrity on a consistent basis, Like on all
the runs that the Giants are giving up, the bigger runs,

(26:45):
it's gap integrity. And gap integrity is you know you
got abc D gaps right. Everybody has a gap on defense.
Everybody does, and then when they bring extra pullers and linemen,
it creates extra gaps in other places. What I'm seeing
from the sometimes they're not seeing polls, and it's a
lot of the younger guys through the safeties. It's hard
to see it from ten yards deep seeing a guard pool,

(27:08):
but a lot of times they're just kind of a
little bit out of place.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Can I ask you a specific play, Yeah, because it
was a poll the play I believe there was the
fifth I think that was the long fifty yard run
for a score by Hampton. Musa Al takes on the
first poller in the hole if you remember right, and
I talked to Call about this. He thinks Musa needs
to get to the outside shoulder of that first puller
and then force him inside to Bobby, and you know
he's supposed to kind of get everybody. He's Basically the

(27:33):
way Carl looked at it is that he said, look,
everyone's playing outside leverage on that play except for the
one guy. Yeah, and then you know Bobby's waiting for
Muisau to force the runner back towards him inside. But
Darius got the inside shoulder of the polar that trapped
oh ka ka inside a d bo got. I believe
he got pushed out on a block by the second polar.

(27:54):
I believe it was a wide receiver number nine, and
then that's how the kind of big hole happened.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, I'm trying to remember to play. Yeah, I think
I remember it. That was I'll bring it up. Okay,
Mouisle hitting the guard and kind of popping out almost.
I can't remember it verbatim, but if you bring it up,
I could definitely talk through it. But on plays like that, look,
when you have guards pulling and people pulling and people

(28:19):
moving and it's not just everybody stays in the same spot,
but they're just zone blocking up, it creates extra gaps.
And I think sometimes the guys that we don't think
are supposed to make the play. Are sometimes supposed to
make the play, right, like alignman staying on the backside
of a block when you think it's he's supposed to
stay on the backside because it looks but then if

(28:40):
they pull, he actually supposed to go on the other
side of that block. So without me looking at it,
you know, you know, it could be a lot of
different things, but it's usually sometimes alignman not getting over
on these pool plays. Sometimes.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
All right, so here's the player right here, we're gonna
talk through it. So this is in the third quarter,
folks a bit at thirty seven, they're running a double pollar.
I think I think that technically it might be like
a counter tray, right yep, to the right. Alexander gets doubled,
he gets pushed inside. You have two polars coming in,
you have a guard, then you have a wide receiver
in motion. Mouisow hits the first guard coming through, and

(29:16):
then o'kaake kind of gets trapped inside a little bit.
So I was trying to figure out did o'karake not
scrape over Muisal like he was supposed to, or was
Moustau supposed to get outside into the hole and force
the running back back into body.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
He probably was supposed to do with exactly what he did,
which is hit it thick and inside. You know, people
call it spill, but it's really thick and inside and Bobby,
Bobby's literally scraping clean clean off his butt. Okay, I mean,
I don't know, but watching it on film, Howmuisau took
it on, That's what it looks like it was supposed to.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Be, assuming he took it on the right way.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Right, I mean, it's hard to know exactly.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
And again, folks, this, by the way, this goes back
to the Steve Spagnolo quote that was all over the
internet the other day, where if you don't know what
the guys are told in the minting room and what
to do on a specific play, it's very difficult to
know who's right and who's wrong.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
That's why when I look at things, it's like I
see it and I see what we're seeing, but it's
like I don't know who.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
You know, someone was in the wrong place. It's just
hard to know which guy messed up. But right, no,
I got you. And by the way, guys, this comes
from someone that played the position so regular people watching
at home, like, how were we supposed to figure this
stuff out? You can go ahead and.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Also too, it's hard to be an eraser at middle
linebacker when everything's right in front of you. You know.
It's easy to do it when you're coming back deep,
you know, eight, ten, twelve yards deep, But when you're
up in the thick of it three four yards away
and things are happening, Maybe he didn't I want want
to say he didn't see it, because he saw it.
He's moving over that way. But maybe moois I did

(30:41):
hit it. Now he was supposed to try to adjust
to it a little too late. You can't do that
in the NFL. These backs are too fast and they're
too good, you know. So like playing with guys that
do certain things, like you start learning the things that
they do. It's like, oh, he was supposed to spell that,
but he did it. Or we're supposed to box that,
but he did it. It's like, all right, now that
I know that he does stuff like that, I can

(31:02):
play accordingly, you know what I mean? Like I'm playing
with snackx Harrison right ov jbp JPP, I love jbp
JP will go rogue every now.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
And again, it's like knowing Jpp's personality. That is maybe
the least surprising thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
As you start building that connection with you start learning
how to play with these guys. And Moussau hasn't got
that much playing time, you know what I mean. He has,
but I mean it's been Michah McFadden and Bobio Caroc
basically for two years straight, two and a half years,
two and a half years, and muis Ho has been
so I think the familiarity with Moisau and how to
play with him, because that's the thing it was. It's

(31:40):
one of those guys mistakes. I think looking at that play,
seether Muisau hit it too much inside or Bobbio carried
didn't scrape good enough because he was where he was
supposed to be, but he didn't get to the hole.
The hole was there and big, but he got a
little too nosy inside. So I don't know, I don't
know who's wrong on that play, But that's what I'm
talking about. That's gap integrity, right, Bobby. Somebody wasn't in

(32:03):
their gap, and that's the place you don't really see
in the defensive backs. They're waiting on tackles, which is
they're not gonna win those.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Like a Debo, he's got to attack that right.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
A lot of times he not just that play, when
receivers catch passes in front of him, he just kind
of waiting for them because he maybe he's afraid to
miss the tackle.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
But you don't have no power, like we saw that
on a play earlier in the game when Omar and
Hampton basically took him for a ride for about eight
yards because a Debo was kind of just standing there
and tried to wrap him instead of these attacking right.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
You got to think about these running backs, right, Hampton,
Barkley's all of the scatterable. These guys squat for lunch,
you know what I mean? Like these guys squatting four
five hundred pounds DB's weigh what one five they can
They can put you and your your teammate on their
back and carry you.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
And a Devo is actually a pretty big corner too.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
But but it doesn't matter if you're not playing with momentum. Right,
you're sitting there waiting, and I've seen that happen not
just from him, from other players where they're they're breaking
down a little too much. And they have no power,
and running backs are kind of running through them. I
don't really see that from other positions, but the defensive
backs for the Giants, I see them breaking down a

(33:14):
little bit too much and not having the run through
right because look, a lot of people, I almost say
a lot of people, but some people are scared of
mistackles because they don't want to go in there. But
the thing is, when you go in there fast, you
might make it. If you do it the right way.
You send them back to the defense, so you're the
rest of your defense, right, But if you wait, you're
allowing them to gain yards. These guys are fast or explosive.

(33:36):
You can't catch a guy in the league and make
them go backwards. You're gonna go backwards.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
You're an engineering major right in college?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
You steaf a little bit.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
What is force equal momentum? No, but that the formula force.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Equals mc squared.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
I don't know mass times acceleration right, No, but but
it goes to your point, right, the force you generate
as a dB, it's your size combined with how fast
they're going up forces aast times acceleration. Right, So to
your point, you got to make sure you get that.
If you if you have less.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Mass than the running back, you gotta bring it.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
You know what you need, you need more acceleration, you
gotta bring it. And that's how you end up with
some of those and those guys.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Look and I tell young guys that I coach young
DB's all the time.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
The young guys Like I got a guy playing for
Long Island, Rhode Island, Long Island University, one of you lu.
They played Flid they played Florida Week one. I told them,
I said, do not hit those running backs up top.
Don't do it. You go low on them every single time.
Because these guys are two hundred and five twenty pounds,
you're one ninety one eighty. You're gonna lose. But if

(34:40):
you attack them, and you attack their legs and you
hit them low, now you have them thinking about trying
to run you over. Now they might hesitate a little bit.
Think about Brandon Jacobs, right, you can't hit that dude
up top, you cannot do it. But when you start
hitting them low, now you slow Brandon Jacobs down because
now he's like, oh he gonna go on my knees.
I can't run them over because I'm getting legs chopped.
You give guys something else to think about, you know,

(35:01):
and the Giants need to employ that on their defense.
They have to.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
All right, let's go to Dave and Craford. He's up next.
Excellent call, Tim, Thank you very much. Dave, you're on
Big Blue Kickoff Live. You're online too with Josh Melco,
Johnathan Casio's Dave. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
It's good to talk both to you, guys. Man. It's
a very weird feeling to be in this, uh you know,
second game here of the Dart era, where you know,
a lot of people are picking us and there's a
lot of expectations. I'm just not used to it, you know.
It's just a different, different feeling going into this game
makes me a little nervous.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Does it make you feel any better that Las Vegas
has the Giants is underdogs? Does that make you feel
better about it?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
That makes me feel a little bit better, John, it
makes you feel a little bit better. But I did
I did want to mention just a couple a couple
of folks and a couple of thoughts and get your
guys thoughts on it. And I think one of the
guys that had an unbelievable game on on you know,
against the Chargers. That doesn't that's kind of quietly come

(35:59):
back is as Andrew Thomas man. And I think it's
just so easy to you know, he's sort of you know,
plays the sort of position where you don't hear his name.
You love it. That's that's what That's what a left
tackle wants, right like you really never heard went up
against a pretty strong dude and Bud Duprey, you know,
all game long. And I think he's had a great

(36:20):
impact on the line and and I you know, I
know everyone's happy to have him back.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Oh, David, it is amazing. The guy had not stepped
on a football field for a year, and in a
game and a half he has not a lot of pressure.
He's been fall less. He's been great in the past game.
He's been great in the run game. Uh, he has
been fantastic.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
And he's been he's been Andrew Thomas.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
He's been Andrew Thomas. It's been great.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
And he had a little nice fumble recovery on the
one yard line which also helped.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
A potential game saving fumble recovery.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Hundred and ten percent. The thing about Jackson Dart is,
I'll be very fascinated, and I think that there's going
to be some interesting players that that will have some opportunities.
I do think, you know, obviously neighbors. You guys said it, John,
You've said it pretty clear from day one with this,
you know, there's there's no way to you know, minimize

(37:10):
the impact of losing the neighbors and saying that you're gonna,
you know, next man up all that sort of stuff. Sure, sure, sure, okay,
but it's a huge change, and I do think it's
going to force the defenses to play much more of
a one high. I don't think Jackson Dart's the sort
of guy that you're going to be able to spy
with a linebacker. I think he's actually, you know, two

(37:32):
elusive one on one. If you notice him in his runs,
if there's one guy in front of him, he's going
to make that one guy met.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I think it depends on the linebacker, Dave. I think
some of the faster linebackers, like the guys that are
like two twenty five, two thirty, I think they could
probably spine. But those bigger like Devin White style two
hundred and fifty pound guys, they might have some trouble
there for Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
I think you're going to see them drop that safety
down for that role in my opinion. But and that
just brings me to Jalen Hyatt. And I know we've
talked about him. He's been a really frustrating player and
he's got in my mind, he has he has one
major weakness. Maybe he might have a couple, but he

(38:14):
has one major weakness, and that is he he can't catch,
you know, the contested ball. And if you look back
at his college game, his big game against Alabama, he's
used to having used his speed in college and getting
so much separation that his catches were almost he was
wide open. They were just wide open, and he hasn't

(38:36):
been able to transition. You think about Milik Neighbors, what
makes Malik Malik, it's his contested catch ability. I mean,
he's great on all these other things, but it's his
cont He's he's unbelievable contested catch. So I do think
that with their eyes on Dart, I do think it
could open up for Slayton and for a Hyatt with

(38:56):
their speed at least to try to push to that envelope,
you know, from an offensive standpoint, and I'll be I'll
be very interested to see if the Giants can at least,
you know, put put some you know distance and back
that defense up because they are going to stack the box.
They're absolutely going to try to take away that run

(39:18):
and you're gonna have to do something to try to
soften that up.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
So i'd love to get your guys'.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Thoughts on that, and I'll be listening to all your coverage.
If you haven't seen the Buldinger breakdowns or the interview
with Charlie Weiss, anybody listening, you should get out there
and listen to both with John there were awesome.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
So checks in the middle have a great guy. I
appreciate it. Man. You can find all those in the
Johnson Podcast favorite podcast channel wherever you subscribe to podcast
giants dot com giants app giants YouTube channel. Check those
out there. We're gonna interview. Charlie Weis went up today,
Baldi was earlier in the week. Go find them, they're there.
They're awesome. Do you think it's going to be high
up that gets the majority of the snaps?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I mean it'd be if they've run the three wide
receiver set.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Well, that's my second do they lean into more twelve personnel.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I would say yes, yeah, because it's not just.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
And twelve personnel, folks, is one running back, two tight ends, two.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Tight ends, yes, and two receivers besides three receivers, one
tight end, one running back.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
It depends what their thought process is and what they
want to do, right. I think they're going to try
to run the ball, so I do think they lean
into twelve personnel a little bit more. Last week the
Giants ran a lot eleven and the tight end was
playing fullback and h back.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
And by the way, I wish they would have they
used that a lot on that first drive. WHI still
would have stuck with it a little bit more because
I thought it worked really well. I'm talking to Theil
Johnson for the Friday huddle. That's gonna be one of
the big things I'm gonna talk to him about. But
he was the fullback and a lot of those shotguns
sets he was.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
And then you got a guy and he looks willing,
he looks willing to Rocke, he looks willing. And then
you got a guy with like camp Scattibul that look
he runs with a ferocious, violent mindset, and I love
it too, because I really think that's kind of, you know,
galvanizing the team, you know, not just Jackson, but also
camp Scatibule. And then if you could have due Carter

(41:00):
why he's playing, I think he's the one that's galvanizing
the defense. Right. And there was one play he was
in space and whenever I see him outside of the
the like the tackle box or whatever, I'm like, what
is he doing out there? Right? He it was a zone.
It was a zone concept like play out and inside

(41:23):
by the receivers one and two played it perfectly, made
the tackle. I was like, Bro, this dude's even great
in space. That's twice I seen him in space making
great plays. And of course in front of the tackles,
they have no chance. Bro, I ain't a lot of
you that team on Sunday. It just looked different. The
team looked different collectively offensively and defensively. They had a

(41:45):
different type of swagger about them. They had a different
type of presence. They had an early start, which we
don't see from the Giants. We had. We've did giants
drop by two scores? When's the last time that happened
by two scores game?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Last year? And before then you're looking at like week two.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Right, the forty five point output from the Drew lock,
which we've never ever where did that come from, but
like we've never seen it, and that's what it looked like.
Like it looked like this team was better than the Chargers.
Like the way they played and attacked them. It's like,
we know, you can't throw the ball on them.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Defense got press, constant pressure. They they you know, the
way they didn't take over the game at the end
of the Dallas game. They took over the game against
the Chargers. They had the two takeaways, they gave the
offensive ball to the three yard line. I know, Jackson
Dart's the story. The defense won that game.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Absolutely, let's be raal. Yeah, I mean cause you got
to think right and look, I can't say shame on
the Chargers because that's their best player, justin Herbert, it's
their best player. So they put it in their best
player hands. But it worked for the Giants defense because
they have three guys right now on that on that
defensive line that you can't block one on one. Yeah,

(42:53):
they've they've established themselves as that, you know, you can't
block Dexeter Lawrence one on one. Not consistently, maybe every
once in a while you're surprised them. Right, zero is
playing like a man possessed on every single possession. And
Carter looks like he's found his groove now, you know,
not too much off the ball linebacker last week. I
don't know that. I know, you know the snap count,

(43:14):
I don't know, but whenever he.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Was on the ball, I know it was better, right.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Whenever he was on the ball though, And I'm sorry
for Burns. I love Burns. Carter looks different than everyone.
He moves faster, he's quicker, he can get from the
D gap to the A gap quickly like this. He's incredible.
He's incredible. He was different, and yeah, we're starting to
see him really kind of get into his form.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
So against the Chiefs, thirteen on the defensive line, forty
three is an off ball linebacker. You can swap those
forty four on the defensive line this week and only
four a off ball linebacker.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, there you go. I mean, honestly, the reason why
he got drafted number three, but the Chiefs was just
they were trying to like, all right, we got to
figure something out that position, which is who would you
play there? Besides him, So it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Anyway, back to my original question after I took you
off the track, asking you about twelve personnel when they
go eleven, you think it's gonna be hight the question
that I completely track up.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I do, I do believe so, and and he talked about, oh,
there's a lot of things, you know, or one thing
wrong with Hyatt, the one thing wrong with anybody that's
not playing in the NFL. They haven't gained the trust
of their coaches. That's that's what it really come down
to you.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Well, even sort at the end of a was that
the Week three game against the Chiefs, he gets in
against yet to play, and him and Russell Wilson on
different pages.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
And if you look at the Giants receivers, Theo Johnson,
Wanda Robinson throw them leak neighbors in there. I know
he's hurt right now. They've all dropped passes. So it's
not about the drops, you know what I'm saying. It's
not about the drops. There's other things like getting lined up,
being in the right position where you're supposed to be,
being reliable.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
If the quarterback throws it to you one on one
in the contested situation. Do they trust you, maybe not
to win the make the catch, but at least don't
let the DV get a pick?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah you know what? I yep. Yeah. So it's that's
the main thing that he's facing right now.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Can you get off the line against press? Can you
rely on them to be press?

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Those are all problems that if they trust them, they
throw them out there, right, and was like, all right,
he struggled, display do this next time? Like you can
get coached up, but if you're if they can't trust you,
you don't play. Like no matter what else people think
is wrong with you, they'd have to trust you.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Or if you're out there and the quarterback doesn't trust you,
he just ain't gonna throw you the.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Ball, right, which but again, he's not a big guy,
so why is he out there? He's not blocking, you
know what I mean? Like, so it's like, why why
would you play him if you don't trust him? So
if he doesn't play this weekend, that's because he hasn't
built the trust up yet. Can it happen?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I think so, And I think still young, and I
do think he'll be given the first shot. But again,
look out for bo Collins. Yeah, and look out for
the little Joran Humphrey if he gets called up up
the practice squads.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Got both of them.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
All right, let's wrap things up today. Really good calls today.
We haven't taken a ton of all. We got two more.
I'm sorry, Well we'll get both guys. Then let's go
to Robin New London. First, Rob, what's going on?

Speaker 6 (45:55):
Hey, John? And JC? Super excited to talk to you today.
How you doing?

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Rob?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Please tell me you're calling off. I see you got
to casie US Giants career question Here you gonna talk
about one of those fifty point defensive games for me?
Block the wow.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
I actually, you know, I'm glad that you brought that up,
and yes I do have. For JC, I want to
talk about twenty sixteen real quick.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
You know, actually I thought you guys. I was frustrated
because if your offense had been a little bit better,
I think your defense, especially your pass defense that year,
was elitd and you could have been if you had
snuck by. We want to talk about the boat trip.
If you had beaten the Packers in like gotten things

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back to normal, I think I think that team really
could have made some noise in the playoffs. So do
you agree with that, JC or what? And by the way,
that was your best year, so congratulations on that one.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, thank you. That's a pretty good call. Yeah. I
mean I'm like, I feel like I should have had
three rings, you know what I mean? Like that that team,
that twenty sixteen team was a different team.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
And he says the offense wasn't quite good enough. They well,
I played.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
Offense, you scoring games. Oh no, no.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
You are completely right. No, Rob, You're right. The offense
didn't score a lot of points. And I'm not going
to say not scoring a lot of points was by design.
But I think Macley, who knew the defense was so good,
he didn't have to open up the offense. And you
saw it against Green Bay. You only still had it. Yeah,
he was saying that thing.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
In that case, it was and and and that I
feel like that was like and I hate to say it,
but like I was here for it, Like ELI in
fifteen was really really good.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yes, it's just that the defense.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Was terrible, right, so he had to be like three
hundred yards a game.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Remember Tom Coffin was going forward on fourth down. It's
like crazy because offense. Deal, he just knew if they
gave the ball back, they just do. If he gave
the ball back, good.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Dec coordinator too, So give him some crap to.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Well, Well, here's the thing. We all those bags is
great and Tom was great, so it had to be
the players, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
That's awesome. But anyway, it.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Was a great I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
All right, Well okay, So in terms of this year's team,
you know, I gotta tell you, I'm really excited because
I think it's because we don't really know what this
offense is going to look like. Because I think Jackson
Dart is a weapon that really doing camp scalable. I
think they're off I think we could really punish if
they make a mistake and we execute. I think we

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could really punish teams for making mistakes because I think
we have a potentially explosive running game and I'd like
to use the tight end in there as well. And
I think our defense the key is number one. I'd
like to play more games to get that sample size bigger.
I just don't think there's enough cohesion yet. I think

(48:50):
it's getting there, but get a lead. I'm telling you,
if we can get like ten to fourteen points, I'm
so excited because I think this is possible.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Now.

Speaker 6 (48:59):
I never want to see Russell Wilson again. That's what
I learned on Sunday after watching him. But I really
think that if we can get ahead ten to fourteen points,
I think the running gate the US being able to
stop the run will take care of himself because they
won't be able to We'll be up right.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Well, Rob, here's the thing, and appreciate the call. Really
good question. I want to make sure we get to
our call before last call, before we say goodbye. I
love Cam Scataboo. I was throwing the Giants draft at him.
I love this college tape. I don't know if I
would call him an explosive running back. He can make
some big runs, but he's a grinder, yeah, like he
is gonna grind out yards for you. Yeah, and you

(49:38):
know the lake neighbors. So I don't know how. And
this is kind of my worry now moving forward. How
explosive can this offense be? I know Jackson Dard's willing
to throw the ball down the field. I know he's
got the arm to throw the ball down the field.
But and Darius Layne has the speed to do it too.
But consistently enough. Will you have enough explosive plays from

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this offense to consistently score enough points? To Rob's point,
which I think is right on in the correct one,
get leads so the pass rush can eat. Yeah, that,
that to me is my big question now that I'm
only watching as the season goes along.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah, you win the toss, see the ball instead of
deferring to the second half. I'm just saying, like what
I saw last week from the Johnt, I just saw
a different team than I've seen in a long time.
But because they had a lead, you get to play differently.
That's what that looks like. When you have a lead,
it looks like that, and you have defensive linemen that
can eat and beat anybody one on one. You have

(50:37):
to have a lead to do that. This is the
thing with the Saints. I don't think they care if
they're down. They're gonna run the football. They're gonna run
the football. They have one of the best running backs
in the league in Kamara, and that other kid, he's
been playing lights.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Out Kenja Miller's look good man.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yes, he's been playing really good ball. And Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I feel like they don't want. They don't want to
put the game in his hands.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I don't feel like they will, you know, I don't
feel like they will. I feel like even if the
game is out of whack, they're still gonna try to
get the ball to Kamara. Get the ball. They're tight end,
get the ball all lave Spencer Rattler has been very
decisive on him running the football. At least that's what
I saw from Buffalo and hearing the commentators talking about
him being decisive going into it, he looked like it.
So think about like I'm telling you, there's a lot

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of similarities in these offenses. From the same offense to
the Giants offense. You have a young quarterback that can
run the RPO game right, that wants to be able
to run the football, not just give the ball, but
run the ball himself and once it make plays downfield.
He has a five touchdown and won interception ratio, but
he doesn't throw the ball down the field, you know
what I mean. So he's a guy that.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
By the way, he's the arm too. He's capable of it.
He just hasn't done it this year or whatever.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
I don't know if this game is gonna have a
lot of big plays.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
No, I think you might be right that this is
gonna be like a three yards of a cloud at dusting.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Might be a little slow, I.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Should correct myself. It'll be three yards and a cloud
of rubber pellets.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Right exactly. And if the Giants do get a lead, though,
then you not sit back, but you just approach it differently,
especially towards the end of the half, how you call
the plays. And then at the end of the game,
of course, the last you know, fourth quarter, if they're up,
they're gonna have to pass the ball, you know, and
this is where the Giants is gonna eat at so

(52:18):
called her He had a great point. I truly think
the recipe for the Giants is trying to get a
lead early and allowing the guys on your defense to
do what they do best, which is the rest of.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Pat You're right, the Giants have not gone off to
a lot of fast starts the last three years, so
let's let's try to keep that going.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
All right.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Wrapping up today will be Gary in Houston with an
interesting question, Gary, what's going on? Gary?

Speaker 5 (52:42):
Going?

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Once? Gary, where are you at? Bro Garry? Don't do that?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
All right?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Gary? Thanks for the call. Yeah, Johnny back, Gary are there?

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Is this Gary?

Speaker 4 (52:59):
All right?

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Darian? We'll take your call to wrap things up. Darian,
what's going on?

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Ah?

Speaker 5 (53:04):
Yeah, I'm down in Houston. I'm actually headed to the
game this week. I used to live in Delaware, so
I used to go to the Philly game every year. Yes, sir,
I haven't been able to go. But I had a
quick question. So, assuming elite neighbors wasn't injured, if you
could add two players to this current Giants roster, one
on offense and one on defense, any former Giant that

(53:25):
you think could potentially turn this team into a playoff
team or potential Super Bowl contender? What giant former Giant
would they be?

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Is this all?

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Well?

Speaker 1 (53:34):
The guy whod on? Is this? Darian hold on? Is
this all time Giants or guys that are active now?

Speaker 4 (53:39):
All time?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
All time?

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Oh? Geez, all right, appreciate the call.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
That's a great question. It's a good question on offense,
he said, right, he said, I mean, you can't not
add Lawrence Taylor to any Giants team.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Here's the problem, you sti't you already have? I know
who would I add?

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I'm thinking too you got to add a great lineman.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
I'm thinking I would consider like a like a Leonard Marshall,
or like a maybe like a like a Linval Joseph type,
or maybe like Snacks in his prime. How about Jason
Seahorn in his prime lockdown shutdown corner. That wouldn't be bad.
You know what, I'm gonna go, and you go. I mean,

(54:24):
if you want to really go back, you want to
go and pick like emlind toon l with his fifty
career interceptions. You want to go back that far and
pick pick a defensive back. I'll go emmlinden l if
you want. But if you want to do more modern
for the modern sensibilities of of of the younger folks,
I'll go Seahorn. I'll add Seahorn on defense.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
I'll offense one of my favorite guys. Guy. I'll played
with Jeremy Shockey. He just.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Scatable, dude. I'm not sure the locker room can handle that.
You want a certain level of craziness in your locker room.
You might get over the that thin red line a
little bit by having dark scatterboo shocky.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
But that would be entertaining, though it would be fun.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Imagine shocky right now playing how the game is now,
with how they kind of let tight ends eat as
much as they do now.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Dude, that's not that is not bad. That is not bad,
all right? So that so now you pick your defensive player.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
My defensive player, I mean it's I would say LT.
Let's exclude LT.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Too easy?

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, he's too easy and it's hard to fit him here.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Hmm. I was trying to be more creative.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yeah, no, I feel you like Harry Carson. I'm staying
away from linebackers, okay, or if I do, it'd be middle,
but Harry Carson is in the middle, right, Mmm. I
like Harry Who I mean, I'm trying to think of safeties?

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Who is a Julian loves a McKinney.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Even better than them. I like them.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
But and you want to go out me Everson Walls.
He was a corner, but he was a guy that
was able to get a lot of picks.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Let me do this because I played with him and
he was really good when he was here when he
was Youngins.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Oh, you want to go prime Collins his first.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Couple of years. I'm not gonna lie to you, bro,
I played with gray safeties. I played with Darren Sharper
fall the extra stuff happened. He was amazing. Ten interceptions.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Darren Sharper owned Eli Manning.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yeah, he was killed him landon his first two years
in the league. Holy smokes, bro, Like I'm I'm playing
next to him.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
He almost played more like a linebacker than a safety.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
So I played will and he played free and he
would be coming down on the run support and I
wouldn't see him. I would hear him, and I'm fitting up.
You know, I'm locked in. I'm just hitting the guard.
I'm hitting the full back and bow his landing sending
the running back to the sky. And he had a
lot of interceptions. He had some sacks. Like he was
a do everything guy. And and the reason why because

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I know some of the safeties that played for the Giants,
but I seen Landing play. He was one of the
best safeties I played with. When I'm talking about those
couple of years, how was career panned out, I don't know.
But when he was here, holy smokes, he was good.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Okay, I know where I'm going here because he said,
assuming Elie Neighbors is healthy, I mean I could argue,
you put like Hakeem Nicks across from elite neighbors on
this team, or Victor oh Vickers. So I would I
would consider one of those two guys. That would be
That would be my that would be my exciting one.
With the tyrone Tracy injury, pairing Tiaki with Cam in

(57:30):
the backfield, yeah, that would also be a lot of fun.
I have to give some love to my funds, but
I'm gonna go more boring here. You know what I want.
Give me Kris Snae.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
I was thinking him. Remember I said guard first.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Give me give me Chris Sneae prime. Christy played right
guard right?

Speaker 6 (57:48):
No?

Speaker 1 (57:48):
No, wait, what was he John Johnny maack? No, he
was right guard, Kristney right, correct, right or wrong? I'm
pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
He was right guard, not not the Christnie that's in
the building walking around at two fifty.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
I want to know, we want, we want correct, that
is absolutely correct. So I would go. I would go
Chris snee I think that's what I would do, and
I think that's who I would slide in there. If
I was to pick one guy to help the offense,
I like it. I mean, could I pick Eli Manning?
Or could I pick kind of pick Eli or Phil

(58:18):
Sibbs at quarterback. This Sivie. He doesn't beg quarterback.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
But I like that though, because let's be honest about this,
the last few years the Giants guard play hasn't been elite.
It's been good at times. It's been porous, you know,
I want to say consistently, but it's been porous. And
Chris Neize, I mean he's a monster.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Yeah, right guard. I was correct, he was right guard.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I don't want to fool myself there, but yes, he.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Played how many plays and I'm looking at right there?
That's it?

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Well that was he played over one thousand snops ten
over a thousand snaps in both twenty ten twenty eleven.
I was just double checking. Yeah, he was right next
to Kareem McKenzie all those years. So but yeah, I
think those would those would be the names that I
would think about, assuming you're not shock. He's fun shah.
I would love to see the shaky scataboo dynamic. That's

(59:13):
that would be something I was. I covered shockey for
a couple of years, actually just I worked here only
for one year when he was here, but I was
traveling with the team the other year. He was crazy.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
He was a character.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
He was crazy.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
I had him in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I know, I was like when.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
He was there.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Did I'm not gonna say, did he decorate his locker
in the same unique way in New Orleans as he
did here?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Okay, I'm not gonna I'll talk to you after the
show about that, all right. But uh so, Yeah, that's
Big Boo Kickoff Live. Give me your feel to think
like like a seventeen fourteen, twenty to seventeen type of
game here.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, I think it's not
as many possessions. I think is gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
JC, good stuff. My man for John see is I'm
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