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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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on the Giants Mobile app, on podcast platforms everywhere and
Giants dot com slash podcast. And I need to start
this New Year's Eve episode of Big Blue Kickoff Live
on Wednesday, December thirty first with an apology to those
of you who are watching on video because this morning,
as I was leaving my apartment. I was this close.
I had it in my hand to wearing my gray

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Germany Munich Giants sweatshirt, and our viewers could have been
treated to us twinning on today's show.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
And dog I know.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
I apologize for the missed opportunity to our viewers at home.
I will do better next year. Happy New Year's Eve.
Happy any New Year's resolutions for us?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Smolke win more football games next year? How about that.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
That's a good one. I like that we got a
football game next year on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yes, we do a first game. Isn't it crazy? By
the way, just think of when you were a kid
and you're sitting there to think now it's actually twenty
twenty five. It's just kind of insane.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
I know. I remember when it was the nineteen hundreds,
you know, and I'm playing with a tamagatchi and now, like.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I have had somebody say to me, boy, you were
born in the nineteen hundreds. It's very depressed.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
I'm sure your kids throw that at you all the
time too.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
She's a little young for that one. She doesn't quite
get that yet. But I think it was an intern
here last year gave like you were born in the
nineteen hundred wide today, and I'm like, you just need
to shut up and go away.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
It is wild, Like when you're looking at draft prospects
and all that and you see their birthdates and you're like,
I was in high school that year.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
It's it's rough. It's rough, but that's where we are.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
It is rough, indeed, but you know what time moves
on and we moisturize. That's what we do here.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
No, I don't care about this. So do you have
like an internal like every time it's your birthday, you're
the same age now?

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Or oh no, I lean in, you lean in. I
got ilean in because I also think I like to say,
like in January, I'm turning thirty seven, and I like
to say I'm turning thirty seven. And I like to
hear people say, wow, I thought you were twenty seven,
even if they're just being nice, I still love to
hear it.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Pierced every year says he turns like twenty one again,
so it's okay.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, I can't be thirty. Yes, my mom still says
she's thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Welcome, that's adorable. Why thirty eight?

Speaker 4 (02:52):
It's good.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
It just feels right, I think it feels young enough, believable.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
But the sweet spot, it's a sweet spot. You know,
you got to lean in gott to find yourself.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Lean into thirty. Trust me, it's better than you think.
Adulting is terrible. I mean, I think we can all
attest to that at how bad adulting is. But you know,
you get past thirty, birthdays don't really matter anymore. You
don't have the pressure of doing things on your birthday anymore. Yeah,
the pressure's awful a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Thirty are the new twenties. That's what I say.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Thirty is the new twenty. Indeed, you know, and you
get to be you know, I don't know even when
I was in my thirty or I am in my
thirties and I go out to dinner with my dad.
If I ordered a drink, he goes, you're not old
enough to drink that. I don't think you're ever ever
over five.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
If you're a kid, Oh, trust me, there is nothing
more satisfying. And I always used to roll my eyes
at the dad jokes too. Won't you become a parent
that chokes at the best. They're only designed to entertain you,
and that is the only reason you give them, so
you entertain yourself and it's it's wonderful.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
You get the sympathetic laugh and you're like, all right,
this is oh no.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Now when my daughter's getting old enough where you're starting
to get the groans now, which is oh go, which
is even better. So you do it just to induce
the grown from the child. It's totally worth it, finds fantastic.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Dadding is just finding new and creative ways to embarrass
your daughter.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Set is absolutely correct.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
It's a lifetime, yes, and also you know what your
daughter will be making your proud much like a mere
Smith mars Set look at this transition making his grandma proud.
He was on the mic after his one hundred yard
touchdown on Sunday, his kick returned for a touchdown. He goes,
my grandma's going crazy at the house and congratulations to
a meer Smith Marssett being named NFC Special Teams Player

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of the Week this week after that play.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, absolutely, and look this is these are the guys that,
aside from the milieu neighbors, obviously had an unbelievable game
as a giant six dole for all pick and you
know he's from Newark, a Meer Smith Marsett. But you
know these are the guys that did it for the
Giants in this game. You would tie Summers and Darius
Muissaus turning a linebacker. Right, You finally had some of
your guys back in the defensive backfield, but before then

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they were playing all these backups.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
You know, Elijah Garcia on the defensive line, Elijah Chapman
on the defensive line, go down the list. Timan Fox
had a big block on that return for a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Offensively, you have Jake Kubas starting a guard, Aaron Stingy's
at another guard, Greg Van Roon's at a position at center.
Drew Locke was your second, I guess second quarterback. You
want to call me a third quarterback because de Vito
was the first one in after Daniel got let go.
However you want to rank that. You know, these were
giant players that are basically fighting for jobs next year,

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that made plays to win this game. Which is why
tanking in the NFL doesn't exist, right, because you can't
tell these guys not to go out there and play
ard when they're playing for their livelihood.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
So absolutely, I don't know a single player that you
could look at and say, hey, lose this game on
purpose so that we can draft your replacement. Like no chance.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Every player you mentioned that concept too, they laugh at you. Right,
And you know I'll play off of that here because
I'm not going to go through the whole spiel with
the draftick I went through yesterday. I went through that
with you guys, But I want to this should make
Giant fans feel little bit better. And if you've listened
to Draft Season or Draft Podcast with Tony Poline, we've
kind of talked about this has been a question I
asked all of our guests on that podcast, and I say,

(06:02):
all right, guys, take this year's quarterbacks class, combine it
with last year's quarterback class. Stack them. How would you
stack these guys? And I've been having this conversation with
different people since October, give or take, and the question
I always get, well, it starts at four, right, because
the top three guys last year are head and shoulders
above the guys this year. It's not close. So it

(06:24):
starts at four. And I'm going to reference a quote
from Dan Brugler, who is, in my opinion, the best
draft analyst out there, but that the beast every year.
A great dude. He's on all of our content for
a long time. We've been having Dan on for ten years,
back when he was producing The Beast independently, before he
was even with a media outlet. So this was a
tweet from day yesterday. I think he tweeted out of

(06:45):
one of his stories. Some NFL scouts believe one or
two quarterbacks are deserving of this year's first round, while
others thinking drafting any quarterback in round one would be
a mistake. A comment from an AFC scout man, I
feel bad for the teams trying to find one quarterback
in this group. Okay, and I give you that for
fans that are losing their mind over not having the

(07:07):
first overall pick, all right, now, better than that, if
you dig a little bit deeper into the thread, you
have a couple of replies here. So Brett Coleman, who
does a great jobs like hundreds of thousands of followers
on his YouTube channel, Good good NFL guy, He writes back,
could very easily argue that the quarterback one this year
would have been quarterback seven last year. And then he

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gives the emoji like the type of emoji smiley face
Dane replies, yep, easily at best quarterback four last year
for a few teams, but much more likely closer to
quarterback seven for most.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
That's interesting, And I also think to the benefit of
this conversation is that we have nearly a full NFL
season of watching these quarterbacks out of last year's draft. Yeah,
and so we have a little bit more tape on them,
because the quarterback is a very hard position to translate
to the NFL. How many top quarterbacks, top players that

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you've thought, oh my gosh, in college, this guy was phenomenal.
Matt Lioner, Tim Tebow comes into the NFL and flounders, right,
and then how many guys do you think, Okay, this
guy could be pretty good and then they excel, you know,
So I think hindsight is twenty twenty as well. I
mean you look back. I mean, I know people were
pounded on the table thinking Josh Rosen's going to be
a you know, franchise altering quarterback. He is now going

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for his master's degree at Warton and is in business school.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Now, there are many lists of quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Zach Wilson a number two overall pick, and so it
is such an inexact science that we can say this
right now, but we really do not know how these
quarterbacks are going to translate to the National Football League.
And even going back to last year's draft, you look
at Caleb Williams, the consensus number one overall pick, being
drafted to the Chicago Bears, a team that many a

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draft pundit said, this is the best situation for young
quarterback to come into. This is the most complete team
for young quarterback to come in to. They are set
up for success. The Bears are four and twelve and
fired their head coach this season, So again, there is
nothing exact about saying this is the move we need
to make about changing the franchise. You can look at
a team and think we're just a quarterback away. You

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can look at a quarterback and the entire league agree
that that is the best one on the board and
it still not be enough to alter the franchise. Bon
Nicks bo Nicks. Meanwhile, much later in the draft, he's
got the Broncos on the verge of being in the
playoffs for the first time since Peyton Manning.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Look, and all these quarterback journeys are different too, exactly right,
I mean.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
And it's fit too. It's how this quarterback works with
the team, with this coach and the personalities and the
mesh and all of that.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I mean, just look at the quarterbacks that are going
to be in the postseason this year, right, it looks
like Baker Mayfield is going to be in. This is
Team four for him, right, Okay, Sam Darnold could be
the number one seed with a buy in the NFC.
In fact, I think he will be giving all the
injuries on that Detroit the.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Team four for him, Team four for him.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
So and then even look at a guy like CJ.
Stroud who last year took the lead by storm, people think,
all right, he's gonna be the next great NFL quarterback.
Then bad this year. It's that bad year. Texas have
not been good.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
This year, Sophomore slomp.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
The only reason they're in the playoffs is because they're
in the ANFC South. If they're in a division different
to any other division in the league, I feel fairly
confident this day they're probably not a playoff team this year. Okay,
Bryce Young, Everyone was ready to pull the parashy on
him after last year. He was better the last half
of this year than see Stroud was, and by the way,
Stroud is a better team around him then Bryce Young does.

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So you just don't know what's gonna happen. Now, with
all that said, folks, I'm not saying, look, I'd rather
have the top overall pick. Of course you would. It's
better having one than picking four or picking later. After
Giants win this week beat the Eagles. Who knows what's
gonna happen with that. You'd rather be picking first. That's
the benefit. You could throw a dart at a quarterback,
see if it works. If it doesn't, you can always
move on. Always better to have that opportunity, no question
about it. But like I said yesterday, very briefly, you

(10:55):
could have saved yourself from being in a Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariot one two situation from gosh, wasn't almost a
decade ago?

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Now, Yeah, I remember I went to that Rose Bowl
where those two played, and I was like, oh my goodness,
But yeah, that was two thousand, was ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
So look and look, quarterbacks in the top ten have
a much higher success rate. I'm gonna give this other
tweet that our buddy Dave Severetzen, who does scouting for
our lads put out the other day. Here the last
fifteen quarterbacks chosen between picks eleven and thirty two. So
your non top ten first round quarterbacks, Okay, here they
are Kenny Pickett, Justin Fields, Matt Jones, Jordan Love, Dwayne Haskins,

(11:36):
Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Paxton Lynch, Johnny Manzel, Teddy Bridgewater,
ej Manuel Brendan Whedon, Christian Ponder, Tim Tebow, Josh Freeman.
That does not include last year's picks.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Obviously. I think most of those names I think of
and I'm like, I can think of a few moments
where they had a moment, and I think there's probably
three guys on that list that I can think are consistent.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Game changing the fifteen Jordan Love franchise quarterback, yep, Lamar
Jackson's obviously the king.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Of that group franchise quarterback.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
And then as bad as Deshaun Watson is right now,
he did have a really good run.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
He had a moment.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, so he about two three years where he was
really good. He was a top ten quarterback in the league.
So you're looking at it at best if you're counting
Deshaun Watson in that group, but twenty percent hit rate
three out of fifteen if you're not counting Deshaun Watson.
Do the math, you're looking at two out of fifteen, right,
So and Jordan Love, by the way, still is a
pretty small sample size.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
I think you know, a similar exercise could be done
without number one overall picks.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
The percentage just much higher though.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
Yeah, much higher, but still it's not an exact hit
Oh no.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I think top ten you're probably looking at. Oh god,
I'd have to go back and do the math, but
it's probably somewhere between fifty and sixty percent hit rate, right,
would probably be my guess. Yeah, and again you look
at when it depends what your hit rate is, too, right,
you'realking me, all right, a good starter, average starter. If
you look talking about you know, pro bowl level guy,
then yeah, you're looking at probably under fifty percent.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
And again it is what it is, and it's and
it's not like, oh, this one GM or this one
scouting department thought that this player was good enough to
draft number one. No entire league in agreement, entire in
some of these players and there they may or may
not succeed in those situations.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Well, look it's because the quarterback position is so important, right,
And I think that's that's the frustrating part of this
whole situation with where you are if you're the Giants,
right because right now you don't have the quarterback on
the contract. Next year, you can easily bring Tommy Divido
back if you want, based on his you know, undrafted
for agent status. I think he's an exclusive rights free
agent or something some one of those technical terms. Whether

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you can bring it back if you want. So the
Giants have to figure out what their quarterback situation is
next year. And it looked like it could have been
an easy decision, right if you're picking first. Overall, you
don't have to trade anything to move up to pick
a quarterback. And again, if they like one of the
two guys, maybe they don't. I don't know what the
front office thinks about these guys. Right, that's an easy

(13:55):
solution to the problem. Whether or not it's going to
be the right solution, time would have. Time would tell
we have no idea what these guys are gonna workmboards
for a standards, so whatever you like, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
But now you're gonna have to be a little creative,
right Who knows what's gonna happen this week? The Giants
could move up and down right now their fourth as
we spoke about yesterday. I can actually talk a little
bit about the strength of schedule tiebreak situation this week

(14:18):
with the Browns and the Titans, because I do think
that that's interesting. Keep in mind that the Patriots are
playing a team in the Bills this week that's gonna
rest everybody. Who knows what's gonna happen in that game.
Cleveland is probably not going to beat Baltimore. Is Baltimore's
playing for that game? And Baltimore Cleveland already beat them
once this year. Victorian Thompson Robinson, don't think they're probably
gonna win that football gamely unlikely. And Tennessee this week,

(14:40):
and I headed on my tongue. Tennessee has Houston this week,
who's also arresting everybody because they're locked into their spot
in the AFC, so they could potentially win that game.
And of course, the Giants are playing the Eagles, who
are likely going to rest all of their players, so
they could theoretically win that game. Who knows what's gonna
happen behind those guys. So the Giants could be picking
anywhere from one to set. I think one's probably extremely

(15:02):
unlikely at this point given the tie breakers. But they're
gonna pick someone in that range. And now they're gonna
have to figure things out here, right is it? And
here are the options battle on? Right? Is it worth
it to move assets to move up to pick a quarterback?
Because that would think a team like the Patriots if
they if they end up it first overall, they're not
picking a quarterback. Could they pick Travis Hunter? Sure? But

(15:24):
I think given the state of their roster, I think
that's a prime try to get picks together type of
situation for the Patriots. That'd be my guess do you
want to do that? Is there a quarterback you like
at the bottom of the first round or top of
the second round that you think is worth a dark
throw that you can put in there next year?

Speaker 4 (15:43):
And are you taking dart throws when you don't have
a quarterback on contract?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well that's the second part of it. Free agency comes first.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Right, So which is why also too, you know fans
we are saying, oh, why they win this game? Why
do they do the showing signs of life is bodes well,
I think for free agency, because if if you're a
free agent, you don't want to come to an organization
that is comfortable losing, that has a losing culture, that
like has no spark and no anything. I want to

(16:09):
go to somewhere and say, Okay, I can be a difference.
I see what they've got going there, and I can
be especially for some highly coveted free agents who have options.
It's not always about the money. I think these guys
want to win. And if you look at it and say, okay,
you know what, there is something they're showing signs of
life here, I think we can bring this thing over
the edge. I think as much as it's a detriment

(16:30):
to the draft position, getting some spark, getting some success
is good for the free agent market because the rest
of the league is watching and saying, oh, okay, this team,
they got some talent, they got some dogs out there.
I'd like to play with those guys.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Look, my humble opinion is that I think the tea
and Brian Dable basically said this too. When the team
changes so much of your year, sometimes that's not somewhat
you know, I'm not sure, I believe in that momentum stuff.
But the point you made is the point that Giants
players made on Twitter after the game. So the players
in the locker room feel that way, right. The bottom
line is guys gonna go out there, They're gonna try
to win. That's that's how the game's played. And you

(17:03):
can't just flick a switch like I made this joke yesterday.
I'm sure if Joe Shane and Brian David could go
back in time when too fewer games last year and
be sitting here with Jaden and Daniels, they do it.
That's not how it works that that's just not how
the football world works.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
And it's not a certainty that Jayden Daniels would be
playing like Jayden Daniels in the New York Football Giants offense. Also,
you know, I mean there's so many variables that go
into this.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah. So then to your point, depending on whether you
take a quarterback in the draft, I think when you
hit free agency you have to figure out all right,
since I don't know what's gonna happen in the draft here,
especially depending on where the Giants are picking, I think
you have to bring somebody and you feel comfortable playing
week one. So what is that gonna be? Is that
gonna be a trade, Is that gonna be a free

(17:45):
agent signing? How much are you willing to spend on
that guy? Those are all questions that now the Giants
are going, and they're gonna even if they were picking first,
those are questions they're gonna have to answer anyway. But
it becomes I think, even more complicated figuring those scenarios
out now, given you don't have that easy answer. We
completely control our own destiny in the draft. We're picking first,

(18:06):
We control the draft. We can go whatever direction we
want now, And which is again why I understand why
friends fans are upset, why they're mad, and I get it,
and part of me was too. I totally understand that
you don't control your own DestinE now in the draft.
It depends on what's going on in front of you.
You know, last year the Giants watch Hard Knocks, they
would have loved the draft one of those quarterbacks they

(18:28):
just couldn't.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Do it right. And also to trade up and get
a quarterback that you want. I mean, I see people
making the comment about how you know Joe Shane's son
was like swing for the fences get Jane Daniels to
trade up and get Jane Daniels. The team that owns
that draft pick has to want to trade out of it.
The tango also, so it's not like, oh, he didn't
do that, shame on you. No, no, no, there was
not an open opening for him to do that even

(18:50):
if they wanted to. Hindsight is twenty twenty though, and
it is every year. But we got a lot of
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Speaker 2 (19:24):
Four five What was it like? By the way, doing
a happy rapid reaction with O'Hara after the game it
had been quite a while.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
I blacked out. I don't remember. I don't remember what
we talked about. I just all I know is made.
Suddenly I'm like emailing it to Pearson and I'm like,
oh wow, that's done. That went by fast.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
So, by the way, that's up there on the Huddle
podcast feed right now. And also while I did a
episode Brian Boldinger, that's up there from yesterday afternoon, and
hang Out and hang Out just went up. Hangouts up
to and Giants Hangout with Matteline, mister Stek and uh
Russ Salzburg is up there as well, So you can
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Two one nine three nine four five one three is
the phone number. Let's head to the phone lines. Marty
and Manahawkin. It's been holding the longest. Marty, Welcome to
Big Blue Kickoff Live the Schmelk and Madeline.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Happy New Year's Eve, Mady.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
Same to you guys. And Madeline. I'm sorry I read
about your loss.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
And John, I think you hit the nail on the head.
I don't think we have to be married to a
quarterback in the draft. There's definitely other options.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well, you have to find the quarterback, Marty. I don't
know where you finding one, but you gotta have somebody
play the position, and hopefully he's pretty good. Otherwise it's
gonna be hard to win.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
I think Uncle Rico's available.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
To quote Brian Dable after the football game, quarterback play
is a big deal when it comes to wins and losses.
So you're gonna have to figure something out there.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Well, Pauly wasn't too far off with Jimmy Garoppolo. If
you can keep him healthy, you know, he's serviceable for
a year too. Just to you know, if we could
pick somebody up maybe next year that can hold a spot.
And you know.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's I don't want to drone to pull on the
postgame show on this. I decided to move the conversation forward,
but I would suggest everyone go out there and check
the last time Jimmy Garoppolo and not to stay healthy
for an entire season. It's it's been a bit.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
I mean, yeah, he's got the same thing that Tyred
Taylor has a great talent, like a Moni tumor always
has hell when he's well, he's just hurt all the time.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
And it doesn't help you, right, I mean, it's great
if he was healthy, he'd be great. Well, if he's
never healthy, there he doesn't translate well on the field.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
That's tough.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
Well that it is tough. But you know, there are
other options and hopefully, you know, the front off us
will make the right call. And I think they should
leave the front office for now just as it is.
Don't you know what, why look to change again? It's crazy.

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I mean, you know, we had no continuity, you know,
something we have to look at.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, so Garoppolo, just to the record, played sixteen games
in twenty nineteen with the forty nine ers. That's when
he I believe they got to twenty nineteen. Is that
the year they lost to the Chiefs and Super Cowboys?

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (22:16):
No?

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Was that the division?

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Remember, yeah, twenty nineteen. I'm trying to think what the
Niners did in twenty nineteen. The Niners in twenty nineteen
when thirteen and three and they lost to the Chiefs
in the Super Bowl the twenty okay, don't remember that correctly?
Right then? The Finami, Yeah, the following year that he
played six games. He played fifteen games the following year,
and I believe that is when he got hurt and
then got replaced in the postseason, played eleven games a

(22:38):
year after that, and then he played seven games of
the Raiders in twenty twenty three. He is not taking
a snap in twenty twenty four. So Marty, you got
anything else?

Speaker 5 (22:47):
But no, that's it. John, you summed it up pretty well.
So have a happy new year.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Thank you too much calling Marty Happy New Year. It'll
be all the best in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
The bridge quarterback game is a tough one to find
a veteran now, ideally justin fields. Yeah, look, I think Cousins,
I just don't know how much. I actually asked Brian
Baldinger about Kirk Cousins in my podcast with him.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
I wonder if you could get a Russell Wilson like
deal for Kirk Cousins because he still has those three
years fully guaranteed that he is collecting on from Atlanta,
and you know, maybe an opportunity on a lower price tag.
I know his agent is great and has gets nothing
but fully guaranteed multi year contracts for him.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, Kirk Cousins has not been known to take less
money generally over the course of his career.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Right right, But because he's got it coming in already
and has the options and the ability.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
The question is that will the Falcons if the Falcons
decided to move on for him, and who knows if
they can you do that or not, But will they
be able to find the team willing to trade for
him or will they have to let him go? Right
That's gonna be an interesting question.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
And again that's why you know, you make the Russell
Wilson Denver comparison. If they realize, like listen, this is
a very expensive backup. Maybe we let him go. Hope
some other team signs and then we can kind of
shed some of that that way.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I mean, the cap hit to them doesn't make
any difference. So the questions when they get any type
of value back for him, if they'd have to pick
up some of his salary cap money too, right, So
you know, pick up some of that base salary there.
Obviously I'm looking for the bonus money anyway, So that'll
be interesting to see how that plays out. But again,
thirty eight year old quarterback second year off an Achilles

(24:26):
better than first year off an Achilles. But how much
does he necessarily have left? Like Aaron, what do we
hear from the Jets Aaron Rodgers once he's back, he's
gonna be fine. Well, wasn't fine? Like definitely did not
look like the old Aaron Rodgers? Right, So what if
he have left? You know, I would like to go
more of the Baker Sam Darnold type route. That would
be more the Justin Fields type of thing, like like

(24:48):
you mentioned, get the young guy that hasn't worked out
a couple of different places and see if you can
make it work here. I think I would prefer that
because at least yeah, Gino, you know, you know, I
don't know who knows. Maybe like you know, kind of
like a g Know Smith type of signing, right, somebody
like that in that vein, you know, does a quarter
does a team decide to move on from a younger
quarterback that maybe is a good player, but maybe they

(25:10):
don't think he's good enough to keep on the roster
and then continue to pay you know, who knows who's
going to become available? You don't know, But like the
Jacoby Brisette route doesn't necessarily get me all that excited.
I'd rather take it. Take on a guy that maybe
has some level of upside because of his youth, and
he hasn't played in the league a ton, and maybe
you get him in the right spot, the right coach,

(25:32):
he can kind of take a bit of a jump,
rather than somebody where you kind of like in any
Dalton right where you know what you're getting in, Like
there isn't any room for like a bump there, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
The ceiling is the ceiling, the floor is the floor.
You got there, Yeah, it's it's Yeah, it's well described players.
But those gus are tough to find too so and
tough to find on the price tag and timeline that
the Giants are looking for. You know, other people have
positive Hey, if Sam Darnold continues to work out in Minnesota,
the Vikings would be silly not to resign him. It
would be an expensive investment because of the price that

(26:05):
I think he would garner if he gets them, you know,
to maybe an NFC Championship game or further or somewhere
along the way the way the Vikings are playing right now, I.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Think you're franchising him regardless, to be honest, but If that's.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
The case, do the Vikings say, hey, listen, we've got
a guy right now in Sam Darnald JJ McCarthy, perhaps
somebody who we love but realistically isn't going to line up.
Do they shop JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
That's a good question.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Or do they keep JJ McCarthy akin to what Jordan
loves sent him for a couple of years behind Donald
and then start him whatnot. But if the Vikings say, hey,
we can get some assets for JJ McCarthy and the Giants,
a team that scouted him last year, liked him last year,
didn't like him at six, but liked him last year,
maybe says maybe we take a flyer on this guy.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
You know, yeah, like, yeah, exactly, there's options. There could
be options. If you don't know what options are going
to show themselves. I mean, you know, a free agency
is in the NFL. Things happened then nobody expects.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
They call it a frenzy free agency. Frenzy ladies and gentlemen.
So yeah, we'll see. It'll be an exciting time, exciting
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Speaker 2 (27:31):
Can we get Howard Cross on the phone right now?

Speaker 6 (27:33):
Why?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh, Michigan's sixteen.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Let's get a money too, nothing, get a money tour
on the phone right now? Seriously, Chanelle ca and I
tap out. Let's just get Cross and tombed to dabble
in some Michigan Alabama.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Sixty nothing, Michigan nine minutes to go in the second question, Honestly.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
I understand, like I kind of appreciate that this year
in college football, the heavy hitters are kind of, you know,
falling by the wayside, leaving room for some of the
new girls to come to the dance. Like like one
Arizona State, for example, season ranked last in the Big Twelve,
and they say, you know what, We're going to establish

(28:14):
dominance in this new conference. Early win the Big Twelve,
get a bye taking on Texas and the Peach Bowl.
Ladies and gentlemen, do me a favor forks up in
case you didn't know I am a Sun Devil.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
So Pearson, Now we need to get Charles Erdman in here,
who is a Texas fan, and you can do your heat.
What is that spikes up with? Hook them?

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Hook them?

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Is Texas forks up?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
For is forks?

Speaker 4 (28:39):
It's a pitchfork for the Sun Devil and it's.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
A it's hooku horns for Texas forks up or also
fear the fork versus horns exactly.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
And it's also kind of you know, it's just the
difference of one finger.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
So at the forces three this is Texas.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
This is a SU.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
So that's a su.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Those three barky, you know. So I also think it's
ridiculous Texas is favored by like fourteen points in this one,
and nobody's given credit to ASU. Kenny Dillingham has his
boys playing hard camp skataboo. Watch that man work. He
is fun to watch, sure, and honestly, as a long
suffering Sun Devil fan who has been through many a

(29:16):
season of high expectations and disappointment the fact.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
That their like this is the best I know.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
I remember Dennis Erickson's first year that they won eight
straight games, and I was like, They're never gonna lose,
and then you know, then they did, and I'm just like,
it's always a high high and then comes crashing down.
And the fact that ASU is the most relevant that
they have been in my entire association with the university,

(29:43):
which is like twenty years.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
Now, I.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Understand. I fully finally understand. Brothers and sisters who are
Ohio State fans, Alabama fans, Michigan fans, you know, big
bag Georgia fans. I get why you love college football
so much. This is still fun.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I'm surprised you're on in Georgia right now, like what's
going on? I know, you know what, I'm a little disappointed.
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
I know, I know it's it's been a week ladies
and gentlemen, but I uh, if you know, I gotta
be here because these New York football giants need me.
But I will be. They will hear me in Georgia.
I will be wearing my maroon and gold tomorrow. I
am very excited for this one.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
And by the way, for for Giant fans that are
inches a jail minerroal four or five eighteen yards and
a pick in a quarter plus of plays.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
So see Jalen Milroe another quarterback that I think, you know,
especially last year, you're looking at You're thinking, oh, next
year he's gonna, you know, one of the top guys,
and it just doesn't didn't pan out.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I think he would best would be best served for
him in terms of development, to go back for another
year like Carson will see. I think if he comes out,
he will be the third quarterback taken, just because of
his physical talent and the scarcity of the position. Obviously,
but we'll see. I don't know what he's gonna decide
to do.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
It's not even halftime yet. Michigan, I'm sixteen and nothing tired.
Are getting rolled?

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Oh just got uh? Is that Maason Graham that got him?
Was that Kenneth Grant one of the two very very
good Michigan defensive tackles. I believe that's Oh, it's more. Yeah,
I don't know who that guy is. If he's at
a draft prospect Pearson generally not gonna know who they
are the life of an NFL centric college football observer,
right and you know what, and more might even be

(31:20):
a late round pick. I just haven't gotten to I
haven't gotten to those guys yet.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
It's only December time.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
You know. I actually get this stuff a lot of
earlier than I usually don't. Unfortunately the Giants have allowed
me to do that.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
I don't know even Dane Brugler has gotten there yet. No,
I take that back.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
He definitely has half his beast written already.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Man may half the beast written for twenty twenty six.
It's on top of it. Two A one nine four
five one three is the phone number here for Big
Blue Kickoff Live. Let's get back to the call Scott
in Philly. Scott, you're on Big Blue Kickoff Live with
Schmelk and Madeline. I hope you're having a happy New
Year's even the Illadelf Hey, thank you.

Speaker 7 (31:56):
Hope you guys are as well being in Philly this
past day. I couldn't the Giants games. Wasn't that we
watched out We watched the Eagles beat up on Dallas
and I was able to listen to the game through
the fan and the audio app. So I just had
a question about the offensive line. Sure, how would you
rate them this game? Like one to ten? I kind

(32:19):
of thought they'd be like just listening to it didn't
sound like other than the forty yards scamper, didn't sound
like they had made a lot of holes, didn't sound like,
you know, they gave a lot of time for passing,
even though we were very efficient in passing. I'm just
curious how the line did. And then specifically, do you
have grades on Cubas.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
And Evan Neil?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Ironically, Scott and good call. I appreciate. I think that's
a good question. We didn't talk. We didn't talk much
about the offensive line yesterday. It was kind of like
bizarro Giants offensive line play because for the most part
this year, Madeline, their run blocking has been better than
their pass blocking. Yeah, and I thought it was the
exact opposite of the game on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Well, and like like Sean O'Hare always says, you know,
the run blocking you're the hammer, and pass block and
ne're the nail. You know, you're taking the impact versus
given the impact. But this was the ninth different offensive
line combination that the Giants have seen this season. That's
tied with the Patriots for the most in the league.
And that is a lot considering the first six weeks
they had the same consistent starting five this offensive line,
no sacks given up.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Only two quarterback hits too.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Only two quarterback hits. And the pass blocking, like you said,
it helped that Drew Locke was playing a lot quicker
and more decisive.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
But you can do that when you play with the
lead right, yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
But still like you said, the pass blocking I thought
was great. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I thought the pass protection was strong. You went back,
you looked at it, thought Evan Neilbert, A pretty decent
job you got. You know, everyone's gonna have a couple
losses out there, but he was okay. I luminor, I
thought that a good job over at left tackle. And
it's funny the old cliche is that and to your point,
with another new group on the offensive line, how it
takes a little time to get chemistry with each other.
The rum blocking was not pretty in the skit. Like

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you look at Tyrone Tracy. What he finished with sixty.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Five yards of the fifty nine yards and he had
a forty yard run, and he had an average of
three yards per carry, which is I think the more
important thing because he's usually a guy gets like five
six seven yards a carry.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
This way fifty nine yards forty on one run, which
means his other nineteen rushes he had nineteen yards. Yeah,
and this was a situation and I think one of
the good things the Giants offensive line has done this year.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Madeline well, and also you got to point out Drew
Locke finished with five attempts for zero yards and then touchdown.
So the fact that zero yard that means there's a
lot of backwards running there. He had a five yard touchdown,
so that forward progress.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
The game correct. And that's where I was going because
I think one good thing the Giants offensive line has
done this year is not allow a lot of negative
runs is something we've seen, frankly since Saquon Barkley got here.
There's has been a ton of penetration once you get him,
you know, trying to scare, you know, skip and bump
in that sort of stuff, you lose yards. The Giants
have done a great job not losing yards on one

(34:51):
place this year, but in this game, there was a
lot of guys in the backfield. Now, part of that
I think where the cults saying, look, we're gonna the
Giants passing game has been a struggle this year. We're
not gonna let him run on. So I think part
of it was a numbers game. But if you just
look at that first drive, I think on the Giants'
first run play, they trying to pull Jake Kubos around

(35:11):
the center. Greg Van Roten steps back, Kubos trips over
Van Roten's foot, falls down in the hall, Tracy knocks
into him. He gets knocked back for two yards. The
next play there was another miscommunication. It was another two
yard game. It could have been a bigger one. And
I just think you saw throughout the game the chemistry
and working off of each other. In the run game,

(35:33):
you can noticeably see that these guys were not comfortable
playing with each other in those spots. And I think
this was probably the worst run blocking I've seen from
a Giants offensive line all year. And again I think
I have to do with the fact that new people,
even older people, older faces rather like Greg Van Roten
was in a different position at center. Kubas again undrafted

(35:54):
for agent Stinny, was in there at their missing last
week the concussion. I just think having a lot of
different faces in different places where they haven't played together
really hurt the run blocking in this game.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
I'm also curious when you look at this game, this
Colts game from week seventeen. A lot of times, a
lot is made about you know, certain players have really
good games against certain teams, like Daniel Jones in the
beginning of his career, always wold really get well against Washington, Right,
Certain players have a team's number, Certain teams have another
team's number. Oh, this team has beaten this team every
time for the last decade. You know, like the way

(36:24):
the Eagles Giants matchup is sometimes Gus Bradley defense, Brian
Dable offense. The last time these two teams met in
two years ago, Giants put up thirty five thirty eight.
I want to say this time forty five, the most
points under Brian Daviles head coaching ten. I think the
way that it matched up as well in the passing
game especially was favorable to the way that the Giants

(36:47):
offense runs on top of the way that the team executed.
But I think you have to consider the design and
the options and the availability in this one.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, and gust Bradley doesn't do a lot of disguising,
right right, I know what he's going to do. He's
going to run that cover three and that's what he's got,
a single high and if Brian Dable knows what's coming.
He'll scheme it up. You know, Drew Lock's not going
to get confused by pre snap look post that movement.
He knows where to go with the ball based on
the defensive look. And they were also frankly, the Colts
just were poor tackling in the game, like the really

(37:19):
poor tackling team all year. But yeah, I think you're
right about that. I think Brian dabele knew what they
were going to try to do. There's not a whole
lot of disguise there, and I think Drew Lock executed it.
So it's probably the best game of Giants quarterback has
played in almost five years. He was unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Unbelievable. I mean there was a point in the fourth
quarter where Drew Lock had more touchdown passes than incomplete passes.
He finished with six incomplete passes and four touchdowns, so
didn't finish that way, but still in the fourth quarter,
I tweeted it out like this is still a thing
right now.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Unbelievable, very efficient. It also alsos when you have a
guy you can throw the ball to one yard pass
the line of scrimmage. He runs thirty yards per a touchdownsountful.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
But he's getting thirty yards. He's getting all that yards
after catch because of the decisiveness and the quickness with
which Drew Lock is getting the ball out. Because if
Locke is thrown in the ball a second later, then
Neighbors is catching that ball in contact, but instead he's
getting the ball with enough room to make that move
and do that, which is I think a lot of
the struggle that we've seen through the quarterback play throughout
the season, YEP is quarterbacks whomever they are behind the

(38:15):
line of scripts holding the ball a little bit too long,
burpened the baby, and not giving the receivers enough of
an opportunity to create those yards after catch opportunities.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, they got and they got the ball out quick.
And again, when you play with the lead, you can
control how you want to pass the football right. You
don't have to do those five seven step drops. You
can use play action, you can move the pocket, you
can do quick game. Because you're not playing against the clock,
you're not playing against a two or three score deficit.
It allows the offense to control the game. And I

(38:47):
think we've seen one of the reasons the Giants pass
rush is falling apart a little bit over the past.
You know, seven eight weeks is because the other team
has controlled the game, so they haven't had to throw
the ball and drop back five seven steps and do
all that's sort of stuff, right, So I think game
flow has has a lot to do with all that.
I agree with the one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Yeah, this is a really great stat on social media
right now on Twitter dot com, Austin Abbott, x dot com,
x X dot com.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
I still will never know that, neither do I need
to do.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
I tweeting out Malik Neighbors as a rookie more targets
than Jamar Chase, one hundred and sixty two, more receptions
than Justin Jefferson, hundred four more yards than Garrett Wilson
one and those veterans have played every game. Lak Neighbors
has missed two games with a concussion and still has
he not not Jamar Chase as a rookie, not Justin

(39:37):
Jefferson as a rookie, not Garrett Wilson as a like
this is impressive.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, look, he's the Giants top weapon, and Brian Dable
made it a point that he was going to get
him the football.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Yeah, I mean he's like thirty percent of the offense
right there.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
What gets me, what made me excited about him in
this last game is that since he missed those two
games with the concussion after Week four, the explosiveness with
the ball in his hands hadn't shown up, and I
couldn't really figure out why. The last couple of weeks
he had been making a couple more of those contested

(40:10):
catches downfield on deep passes, but we still hadn't seen
the run after the catch stuff. And that's really what
he was so good out at LSU, and.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
It was that's a lot of timing and placement too, right.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I think so though in this game it was just
passing the line of scrimmagees line. He was getting the
ball on the move, he was getting at a standstone
and then just kind of took off right. So yeah,
but that's why the Giants picked him sixth right, because
he's a guy that you can get the ball to,
he can make your offense move, he can make your
quarterback look good, and it just brings a different dynamic

(40:43):
and it shows when everything's going right, what type of
player he can be when things are going right for
the Giants offense, and he's gonna be a big part
of that because it's overall pick. He's gonna be one of,
if not the focal point of this offense for as
long as he's here.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
And the fact that he's been the focal point of
this offense and has done so with such high volume numbers,
with four different quarterbacks thrown him the ball, and has
been able to develop that chemistry, that consistency, that reliability
whomever is under center. That is a big important thing too,
because as the Giants continue to build this team and

(41:18):
look to the future and say, Okay, who are we
going to get at quarterback, It's not like they have
to consider, Okay, who's going to fit best with this player.
He's shown whoever's there, throw it up, I'm gonna catch it.
And he said that you don't throw it up, I'm
gonna catch it with Toil.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
He's done it with Juwak, he's done it with Tommy DeVito,
and now he's done with Danny Joes. Yeah, just go
down the list.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
So down the list. No matter who it is, he
is there. He is reliable. One thousand plus yards and
counting with a game to go, and he and Tyrone
Tracy too. Just congratulations to the two of them, third
rookie duo in the NFL. I don't know if you
guys have heard that stat Yeah no, but it's a
great accomplishment, you know. And again we mentioned one game
to go the Giants Eagles season finale, Week eighteen at

(41:59):
the lane.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
You don't think they're playing anyone.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Right, I am? Okay, So I'm conflicted.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
On this because tell me about your confliction.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
The Eagles are locked into the two seed, They've got
the NFC East. They are good to go. There's nothing
to be gained or lost by losing any error, by
getting anyone hurt. Sometimes I'm a big proponent though too,
Like if you rest everyone when they're able bodied, I
think there's a little bit of a rust going on
into that situation too. You want to keep guys in
a rhythm. I mean, look at when you see teams

(42:29):
in the preseason that don't play any of their starters.
How the first four weeks of the regular season go
for them, Right, there's a little bit of a Okay,
let's get into the rhythm. You want to be in
a little bit of a rhythm and a routine with
these guys. Yes, it's a physical sport. But whether you're
playing Week eighteen or Week one of the playoffs, somebody
can get hurt. I think there's a benefit to playing.
I don't think you know, if it's like last week

(42:51):
was for Philly and it's a blowout game, you maybe
pull your starters late in the game. Absolutely, but I
think there is a benefit if I'm the Eagles to
putting the startup. Also, Nick Sirianni, I look at the
last time the Giants and Eagles played. Saquon Barkley is
on the verge of a regular season rushing record.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
YEP, single game record, YEP.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Single game record. I mean sorry, yeah, single game rushing record.
Nick Sirianni says, hey, you want to get I'm gonna
put you in. SEQ one says no, no, it's good.
Let those young guys eat. Sirianni is the type of
guy who thinks about these things and is like, go
get that record. Saquon, I know, is the type of
guy who's like team first. I mean, he gets two
thousand yards, he tweets out two ks thanks to those
guys up front. I can't do it without my offensive line.

(43:34):
That kind of thing. However, there is a different weight
that comes with a single game rushing record and Eric
Dickerson's single season rushing record, and when Saquon is one
hundred and one yards shy of that record, I think
the petty and Nick sirianniy is gonna want to say,
look at this, I took your best player and look
what he's doing. Let's get him on the field. But

(43:56):
he's not gonna put Saquon out there without that starting
offensive line, without those players. So I think if he's thinking, Petty,
build on it, let's make a statement, much like BYU
did to Colorado. I want to show you, guys that
I know everyone's talking about this, but I want to
show you I want to be decisive. If he's thinking that,
I think he plays the starters maybe for half, maybe

(44:17):
sees how it goes and pulls him or I don't know.
I'm conflicted because part of me thinks too, He's like, listen,
let's bubble wrap everyone. Let's keep him healthy for when
it counts, and go get a ship.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Can I follow up question for you? Yes? Oh, we
sure it's Nick Siriani making this decision. No, No, this
smells like a Howie Rose decision to.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Be absolutely if how he's making the decision, he's like
sit him down, shut him down, put him in.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Some And that's why I think's gonna happen. Could you
just imagine if you're the Eagles and right now has
as good of the odds as any other team in
the NFC to go to the super Bowl. Okay, right now,
them Lions, Viking, Suma bros. You want to put in
that conversation, you could easily already the Eagles are the
favorite to go to the super Bowl this year. Yeah,
THEFC if you have Barkley in there or Lank Johnson

(45:05):
or AJ Brown and they get rolled up on and
he's gonna miss a playoff game, Yeah, Philadelphia's gonna like
burn your facility to the ground. Like it's gonna be
a big especially.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Especially when you're facing a Giants team with a lot
of second and third string guys. Guys were playing extra
hard to try to show I'm gonna it's kind of
like a preseason game in that I want to make
a point to show I deserve to be on an
NFL roster. And you're gonna be finishing hits harder and
things like that, and you know, probably for the same
reason teams don't play starters in the preseason. I can
imagine them not playing starters in this game.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
And I agree with your rust argument. I worry more
about rust for a team like the Chiefs this week
because they have a bye yeah next week too, So
I don't like having your guys sit for two weeks
and not do anything right. That makes me worried because
then you sit there and then you're really out of
a rhythm. The guys haven't been hitt in two weeks, yeah,

(45:58):
you know, almost three calendar weeks. If you actually count
the number of days, right, it's almost like twenty days.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
And that hit since twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Correct that that would concern me. If I'm the team
with the buye right and you're resting guys, I would
worry about that. The Eagles had their bye week all
the way back in Week five. Yeah, it's a lot
of games in a row that they're banged up. They
have some older players on the team, like Lane Johnson,
guys like that. Mike. My thought is that they're going
to arrest everybody, and not to mention the Adam Schefter

(46:28):
report that he oddly made two weeks ago, which who
knows where that came from. I don't know where. You know,
if the Eagles were in this exact position, which is
what he posited in his little report that he had
in ESPN, that somebody ended up tweeting out that the
Eagles would probably prefer not to go for the rushing
record for Saquon Barkley and instead lose the game to

(46:50):
hurt the Giants draft position. That also, Schefter literally said
this on the air. And if you don't think that
came from someone in the Eagles organization, good luck to you.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
That also, yeah, that also fit factors into the petty
that I'm talking about. It's a different type of it's
a different type of nonetheless, So you.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Know, again, I don't know all jokes aside. I'm gonna
being tongue in cheek. I don't know where Chefter got
that report from. But if you know these guys, they
don't pull these theories and ideas out of thin air.
Someone fed that to him. I don't know where it
came from. You guys can come to your own conclusions there.
But with all that being said, I would be very
surprised if we saw no again. You can't pitch everybody.

(47:31):
You only have so many guys on your roster, right,
so you have to pick and choose. You can't have
everyone inactive because that you just don't know if the
guy's in the NFL roster. But you know you're not
gonna say Jalen Hurt's coming off the concussion. You're certainly
not gonna say no. And can you pick it now?
With the Rubs, you're not gonna see him. So it's
gonna be Tanner McKee at quarterback. Okay, DeVante Smith and
A J. Brown both have dealt with injuries over the
course of the last couple of years. They're not gonna

(47:53):
play in this game. So the question is Barkley the
offensive line? And then what defensive players in front of
your playing? That's the question.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
I just texted a friend of mine who is a
scout with the Eagles, and I said, you guys play
anyone he goes. Everyone that dresses and you know this
is this time of year, is no and.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Then And that's the other thing that's going to be
annoying about this. If you think Nick Sirianni's showing up
at his Wednesday press conference this week and telling you
what he's doing Nope, you are incorrect.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
You know, it's one of those things. It's like, let
I gotta ask. I mean, I'm not not gonna ask
because this is journalist. I'm right here, and you know what,
he's not gonna.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Tell me no, of course. And you know the funny
thing about it is, you know, will a player get
asked in the locker room and there and they're not
in on.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
It, and they're like, oh, yeah, I'm playing.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
I'm gonna go yeah, or.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm not playing this right, and and
then that'll kind of you know, the game will be
over at that point.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
I I would imagine though that they are not actually
fully sure yet what they're doing in terms of who's
in who's out, But I think that they're gonna kind
of decide that as the week goes on.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
I'm sure they'll tell players on Wednesday, yeah, because you know,
the first practice you're gonna want to practice the guys
are gonna play in the game, right, so you get
to know. Now the media is non practice, but you'll
know from the practice reps on Wednesday who's probably gonna
play in the game. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
It's also too when you think about the rest versus
rust factor. I kind of liken it to like, you know,
if you're a runner, you run every day, you get
out there, you go for your two miles in the morning,
whatever you run every day, you're fine. You do your run,
you get your coffee, you got to work, lather, rinse, repeat.
But say, you know you're one of those people runs

(49:34):
every day, and then you know, the holidays happen, you're
a bit busy, you're traveling, you're with friends, you're with family, toda.
I take a couple of weeks off and then you
go back to your usual run that you did every day,
the same, you know, two mile loop, and suddenly you
come up a little oh pull in your hamstring or
this is that because your body, even if you're doing
everything the same, and you know you're stretching and you're

(49:55):
doing everything else to keep your body in alignment with that,
when you put that same effort and you're out of
that routine, these you know, some other injuries happen. And
so that's when I look at that. But that's why
they pay these sports science people all the big bucks,
because I think about when you say, oh, we're gonna
sit everyone have them, you know, especially when you talk
about the chiefs and things like that too. With a
couple of weeks off, you sit everyone and they're just there,

(50:17):
just getting whatever. And then you go out there thinking,
I'm gonna give that same effort that I did when
I was in that rhythm. And your body isn't there,
no matter how much you're trying to stay in shape
in the weight room and all that, kinds of your
body doesn't work the same way when it's not in
that same rhythm.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
So now the other way, you look at it, and
I think we've all been here too. Right, you do
same exercise every day, but then you take, let's say,
just two days off you have to work, you have
family or whatever. And then you come back after just
those two days off, right, and you're flying. You're feeling
really good. You're like, my legs are fresh, I'm stew
in rhythm, and I feel great doing this. You run
a better pet you know, you run a better pace,

(50:51):
you get better you know metrics on your peloton ride,
whatever it is that you're doing. And you're sitting there,
you're like, all right, those two days off really helped me.
So is it the rest that way that helps you?
Or is it to your point where maybe the breaks
a little bit too long and then you not feeling
good when you come back.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
That too, and it's and again another inexact science. It's like,
is it you know? Where's the sweet spot? And the
other part two is for each player. I'm sure factors
a little bit differently too.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
I agree the older guys, they're definitely gonna be like, yeah,
I can take the week. I'm good.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Yeah, for sure, I've been doing this for decades. I can.
I can put my feet up and have some bond
bonds and enjoy.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
So if I made you guess nuts and don't ask me.
As we get the college football game on over here,
do you think one of the underdogs wins one of
the college football playoff games this week?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
This week?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Absolutely not Arizona State.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Oh I'm gonna say, schmuck. Come on, duh uh yeah,
because I mean even I mean just mathematically, first of all,
there's what eight hundred bold Wait, no, you're just talking
about the playoff.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Talking about the college football payoffs?

Speaker 4 (51:53):
So football playoffs?

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Okay, Well, I'll give you the team people. Notre Dame
beat Georgia, will Boise beat Penn State or Ohio State
beat Oregon.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Well, Penn State is the underdog in that one.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
No, well they're the sixth seed. But I don't know
what the betting lines are, but I'm quite sure that
they're going to be favorite in that game.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
Okay, that one I think is harder because I think,
yeah and again same with asu. Asu is a four seed,
Texas a five, but Texas is heavily favored. I do
feel good about Notre Dame, especially because they have this
beast who has made a tremendous comeback this season named
Howard Crossed the third. So can't not root for the
fighting Irish.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Penn State favored by eleven and a half.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Oh wow, Ashton gent though is such a special play.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Oh he's awesome. He's gonna be if fans if you
haven't watched him yet because Boise State usually plays at
ten o'clock at night all the time.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Right, he is a lot of fun. He's a lot
of fun. So if you're watching that, I think, I
think that's going to be a ballgame. Penn State Boise
State will be fun and.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Penn State doesn't run away from people generally. Though they
didn't round one dause they got those two pick sixes
against MSSM earlier in the game.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
So SMU had no business being in the playoff, Like
the ACC is not. I mean, yes, they had a
great record, but the ACC is not. I mean, look
at Clemson and I don't know either one of those.
I think. I think Oregon, you know, moon walks the
championship game. So I don't see Ohio State pulling off
that upset.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I need that sunmon down here.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Now, you know, ducks don't get wet. That's just a rule.
It's actually true. They have this oil on their feathers
so that when water gets on them, it just like
pills off like a rain jacket.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Like they're undercarria.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
They're floating on their undercarriage. Also same way. It's like
there's like this oil. It's like oil and water. There's
like the separation. You see a duck get out of water,
shakes off, and all the sudden he's dry about their
feet unclear. I'll have to have to ask Cavon Thibodeaux
about that, our resident duck from Oregon.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Any Corgy facts as were, Oh yeah, back to the.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
I mean, yeah, Schmokey weren't on this day too, But
we did a whole segment too, because one of the games,
one of the home games this season, the Giants at halftime.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
The cordy races. I did play by play if the
quartery Races don't have done. It was fantastic.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Did you know that corky's butts float? They have like
a little air bubble in there and like you put
a corky in water they're swimming, you push the butt
down just right back to the top.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
I do know from behind it looks like a nice
like lolf of bread when they have to sit down.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Yeah, you know cacked up corkies over there.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
You think corkies are adorable?

Speaker 4 (54:12):
They are adorable. They are adorable. So we've got plenty
of animal facts coming your way on Big Blue Kickoff
Live Today. Ducks don't get what corky's butts float.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Do you think that Tino knows what a corky is?

Speaker 4 (54:22):
No, okay, I think the only way that is the
Italian dog. The only way that he would know what
a corky is is because he happened to see it
on a football field.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
You don't think like the Queen of England with corky's
would do that for.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
Him at all.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
I doesn't think whales are animals.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
I don't think that. What I don't think he follows
the royal family closely, Paul, Paul.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
If whales are animals, does just see where he takes you?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
What does he think that?

Speaker 3 (54:48):
He thinks you have to walk to be an animal?

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
So then but what about like you're kind of like animals?

Speaker 4 (54:56):
But so humans are animals? Okay?

Speaker 2 (54:58):
But birds are animals.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, that's a whole nother thing with it.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
I mean, you've seen a pigeon walk, you know, you
think you've ever seen the same pigeon twice.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I mean, wales can't kind of flop around on land.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
They can do that. Yeah, but a beached whale is like, yeah,
I don't know. That's probably not great.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
I gotta it's not good. It's not good for them.
But they had I mean, I think wales have gone
on the beach and then they've rolled back into the
water and gone.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
How does anybody here?

Speaker 2 (55:21):
A marine biologist? Correct?

Speaker 5 (55:24):
So?

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Uh, good old man, try to sit back soup a
a deli?

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Was it a titleist?

Speaker 6 (55:32):
Two?

Speaker 4 (55:32):
One four five one three is the phone number? Uh,
let's head back to the phone lines. Pete and Staten Island. Pete,
You're on Big Blue Kickoff Live with John Schmelk and
Madelein Burt got any animal.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Facts for us, guys?

Speaker 6 (55:47):
Happy The last John, The last time I called him
was last year and you and I were going at
it head to head when I was talking to you
about McKinney and and Barkley wal okay, And he asked me, well,
what about McKinney, And I said, because he's not going
to get paid, all right. And this all go back

(56:08):
to my phone call now, which has to do with
all this culture nonsense that I'm hearing about. Okay. Culture
ended when free agency started. Okay. And I posed this
with Call Banks this morning, and you know, because he
was talking about culture and culture wins and this and that,

(56:29):
and I said, well, how's all that culture gone for
us in the last ten years? How'd that culture wind
up doing after last year?

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Well would be I do think you developed a culture
every individual year within the locker room. I do agree.
It's very difficult with the way the rosters turn over,
to bring that from one year to the next unless
you have, you know, somebody like a Tom Brady or
Joe Burrow that kind of embodies that in them and
brings that from year to year.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
Right, And my us to him was does a player
stay for culture or does he leave for money? So
that's where it ends, Sean.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
No, I mean, look, Pee, we all know that free agency,
largely speaking, is about the money.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
You know that.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Yeah, I mean you.

Speaker 6 (57:14):
Can't bring up a culture argument.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I didn't bring up a culture argument.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
I'm not saying you don't. Okay, Okay, reading and you
know Bob Popper and then call.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Bob didn't bring up culture either.

Speaker 6 (57:27):
People culture and this and that I'm not buying it.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
But I didn't bring that up.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Either.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
A player will get his money and then say I'm leaving. WHOA,
how come you're not staying? We were trying to build
a culture.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Well, I would say what I think to Madelin's point though, Pee,
when all things are equal and the players picking between
two almost identical offers, and I think the other stuff
does come into consideration, for example.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Yeah, and I do think sometimes I don't think it
is the all deciding factor, but I think it is
a factor. I mean, think about this, like if somebody
offered you, you know, a ridiculous sum of money to
do a job that you don't like or to do
something like that. It doesn't always come down to just
the the dollars, although yes, that is a big factor
for it, but you have to consider, you know, lifestyle

(58:10):
and other factors as well, and culture and building something
and being a part of something matters to some players
that I have spoken to, and I know that, I
mean Dexter Lawrence for example, as a giant.

Speaker 6 (58:20):
Tech can give me a list of anybody who's turned
down less money and I'll buy that.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Oh yeah, I don't think Madealin's saying that they turning
down more money.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
No, that's not what I'm saying. No, I'm saying that
it's a factor in the decision. And I think that
when things are relatively equal, if you have a certain number,
that several teams are coming at you in the ballpark
of the culture is a factor in swaying you towards
one direction or another.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
Pee.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
And by the way, the reason I was, you know,
I did not think that P two teams going to
come with the size of the bag that they did
for Saquon and McKinney last offseason. That surprised me, especially
the McKinney number. That number was much much higher than
I thought it was.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
I don't think anybody's all the Eagles putting up that
kind of number for a running back. I mean, Howie
Roseman never. Yeah, So people surprise you.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
Well, Joe Shane thought that, didn't he He definitely thought that.
He even said it.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
In Hard dot I wasn't Joe Shane, it was I
believe Chris Rosetti. Was it Chris Rosetti that said, yeah,
the Eagles in that one meeting of Hard Knocks, who's
our play pro pro personnal guy?

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Yeah? And the other thing, John is, look, you know
we're coming up on Black Monday here, and I know
you really don't like to discuss this. You've got one
caller who calls in all the time and and he
complains about the team naturally. I forget his name. I
think it's Hugo.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Is it Wilson or Charlie? Which one?

Speaker 6 (59:45):
No, not Charlie. I actually loved Charlie. And Charlie was
on the money with Daniel Jones, that's sure. He calls
them Golmer Jones.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
But Hugo dos call up, you know, Yeah, Yeah, Hugo's
a caller for sure.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
Yeah. I'm not sure if there was that guy or
not he does. You and him a buttonheads last week
because she was saying to him, Oh, I'm not going
to go into you know, the firings, al who's getting fired,
who's not leaving or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Hey, look, pp Pete. I always said the same thing.
If fans want to call in and express their opinion
on that stuff, you're more than welcome to do it.
And I always say the same thing as someone that's
friends with these guys and I work with them. I'm
just not going to go there as a human being.
I don't think it's the right thing to do. And
whatever decision Giants ownership makes after the year, that's the
decision that they're going to make. But if you have
an opinion on I feel free to express it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
Well, my opinion is that Joe Joe Shane should be
fired along with Brian, and I think you know you can't.
You know, in my opinion, you can't keep one and
fire the other. Joe's roster building has, in my opinion,
has been horrendous. The first year's draft was terrible, the

(01:00:54):
second year's draft was terrible. Third year, okay, we got
a couple of keepers for sure, right, you know, obviously
neighbors is easy, right, and Tracy at uh fifth Brown,
I think it was fifth Brown maybe fourth fifth Brown
is a is a hit. The as far as I'm concerned,

(01:01:17):
the the other three that everybody's you know, couting Phillips,
Nuben Johnson, the jury is still out on them guys.
So you can't call the it might opinion. You can't
call those hitchs yet. Matter of fact, Phillips just had
his first interception since high school the other day. All right, Nuban,

(01:01:38):
you know they have potential, but I wouldn't call him
hitch yet. Tracy, yes, I will call him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Well me for PP. I don't think it's fair after
one year to call anyone a success or failure. To
be honest with your biggest things can change after one year,
to be honest with life is long.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
And as far as you know, the first year's draft
look and the free agent signings and whatever he had
to do, if is you who didn't bust, and if
McKeithen didn't bust, and if Neil looks like he's gonna
bust or he is a bust, then we wouldn't have
had to go out and sign Aluminum running. So that

(01:02:12):
could have saved you about fifty million dollars right there
in his own so so his roster building, I mean,
with those three busts set us back naturally because we
had to go and sign an offensive lineman where we
could use the money somewhere. It's somewhere else on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Now, Now that isn't fifty million dollars in one year.
That's the total size of those contracts over Okay, I
know you know that I want to make sure the
fans out there don't think it's like fifty dollars and
fifty million half space in one year, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
Yeah, Now, JMS, he's still a question mark definitely, all right.
You know, I haven't seen much progresses in his play,
all right. So, I mean there's along the offensive line alone,
just those four players that I just mentioned, including JMS
in this mix our role strikes as far as I'm

(01:03:07):
concerned against against Joe, all right. I don't like the
fact that they let McKinney walk. I really don't like it.
I Mean, I don't know what kind of position they
were in from a monetary standpoint, but the guys in
all pro this year, okay, and you know the same thing,

(01:03:27):
and we bring up this culture thing. The same thing
exactly is going to happen with Slayton this year. He's
going to walk and Ojalai is also going to walk,
both of them. So you know, when you talk about culture,
finish up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Okay, we got a role.

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
Yeah, when we're talking about closure and whatnot, Okay, the
culture side has to be on the the ownership excuse me,
the management team also, Okay, you're trying to build a culture, well,
fine and keep your players. You can't. You can't say
one thing about one thing and then do the exact opposite.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
All right, Well, thank you for the calpeede. Happy New year.
I hope you have a positive culture in twenty twenty five.
I think you know talking about that too, though, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I don't think always one in management said anything about
cultural or said anything about culture.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
I think it's you know, it's it's one word that
people use relatively, and I think some people you don't
hone in on one detail and don't like it as much.
And that's fair, you know, and you can air those
grievances and we're here to listen, Pete. But I think also,
and obviously you don't important to consider and we don't
have time to go through all the dat classes right now. Yeah. No, Yeah,
It's just important to consider too in terms of if

(01:04:37):
you're saying, oh, and I would never, you know, wish
for anyone to lose a job. But if you're saying, oh,
we need to start over again, at some point, you
have to consider how desirable a job it's going to be.
If you look at oh, this guy was given two years,
this guy was given two years, this Skuy's given three years.
It's a short leash. It's gonna be harder to get
some of the top talent to want to come to
a job if they know that it's a quick trigger

(01:05:00):
if one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Thing goes wrong, and does it hurt your player development absolutely,
because your new coaches and the front office with a
different outlook, they might look at players differently and then
all of a sudden, that starts from scratch.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
I've made this analogy many times with Sean. It's like
when you do a kitchen room model and you're living
through the dust and it's chaotic and whatever, and if
you fire a contractor midway through and hire somebody else
and they decide, actually, we want to put the sink
over here that sets you back and you think, I
just want this job done, But every time you restart it,
you're extending the process and making a bigger mess.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
But at the same time, if the first guy's building
incorrectly and it's going to be in the wrong spot,
you don't want to do that either. So those are
the two sides of the argument that you're trying to
figure out what's the best way to go.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
With and you got away. Can you trust your initial
decision that you did make to trust that person to
build the kitchen correct and you knew that it's going
to be a messy process, but you said you sat
in a room and you trusted that person was the
right person for the job. So are you going to
stick to that and let them finish the job or
are you going to watch it and say, okay, yeah, no, no,
we got to start over. You're giving me how many

(01:05:58):
times and how many many times can you start over
before you say you know what, screw it, let's just
build a campfire.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Yeah, we are literally, we are literally about finalizing on
bids to redo our whole basement.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
So you're.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Well, listen from every homeowner that I know is just
expected to be you know, fifty percent over cost and
fifty percent over time. If they say it's going to
cost you, let's just ballpark one hundred bucks and take
two weeks, it'll take at least a month and cost
you two hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
I hope it's not double. That would be very bad.
You know, that would still be bad. But yeah, so
it's you were the first person to say that to me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
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