Big Blue Kickoff Live 5/1 | Draft Class Breakdown

Paul Dottino and Matt Citak discuss the Giants best value and sleeper draft picks, and and take calls from fans.

:00 - More draft superlatives

14:40 - Calls

25:15 - Value picks

39:20 - Cam Skattebo

45:20 - Giants secondary

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nine three nine four five one three. Now, yesterday we
had a three pronged question and Matt's going to get
a chance to answer those. This morning, we talked about
the Giants draft class, and the three questions were, who
was your favorite member of the Giants draft class, who
do you think the best value was of the Giants

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draft class? And who was the sleeper pick of the
Giants draft class. Now, John and I we both agreed
that for DONI was our sleeper pick, but we did
not necessarily agree on our favorite or our value picks.
So it'll be very curious to see here what Matt

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decides to do. So go right ahead, well.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Real quick, before I jump into that, I just want
to give very quick shout out to our entire production department, you, John,
the whole digital department with.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Me up theod. Well, we were busy.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
It was in insane seventy two hour stretch and it
was all hands on deck. Everyone was, you know, busting
their tails for just about like fifteen hours a day
a day those three days, and so I just wanted
to give a very I'm sure you guys you know
already said this earlier in the week, but since this
is my first time on air since last Friday, just
wanted to give a very quick shout out to everyone

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that put together all the videos, all the content that
got up on the website and the app the last week.
It was really teamwork from everyone and just it was
a fantastic job. And just wanted to give everyone a
very quick shout out and.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know what, and also to yourself because it really
all starts with the combine for us. Now, John does
go to the Senior Bowl, he does stopping on the shrine.
He's the one man traveling party that does get sent away,
which of course makes all of us very very happy. No,
just a little little dig, little dig, that's all. But

(02:57):
Matt and I get to join the party at the combine,
and so does Dan Salomon upstairs, our senior writer. Of course,
Pearson Butler our our crack producer. We all convene like
a big circus at the combine and that's where it
really gets going. So you're right, kudos to everybody. And
it has been a long, long three plus months since

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the Combines. And I will say my one word is
just relief. Yes, that describes from.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
All the hard work that we put into it. I
mean it doesn't even touch the hard work that the
guys upstairs, the football side, the hard work that they
are not kidding, But for all of the hard work
we did to then you know, have the result be
the draft class that the Giants got, which in my opinion,
which I admit might be a little bit biased, but
I do think it was a home run of a

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draft class. It was great to see those results come
out of all that hard work.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
All right, let's hear it?

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Okay, God? So what were the three again? Favorite sleeper value? Yes, okay,
I'm going to not count the two first round picks
because I feel like those are just too easy. I
would say Abdul is my favorite, but that honestly was
it was. That was too much of a layup of
a pick, so can be.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's just nothing wrong with that. He's going to be
the favorite of a.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Lot of people, I know, but I'm going to go
with John's by the way, rightfully so, but I'm going
to go in a different direction. For my favorite pick.
I'm gonna have to go with Cam Scataboo.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
That was mine, you.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Know, going into the draft, I wouldn't say that running
back was necessarily the biggest need for the Giants. Obviously,
Tyrone Tracy, a fifth round pick last year, hit in
a big way in his first season. He still only
has what two full years playing running back under his belt.
He's still relatively new to the position compared to everyone
else playing running back in the NFL right now, and

(04:49):
he looked great last year. But now the Giants added
Cam Skataboo, who you know, in my opinion, was right
up there with Ashton Genty as the most exciting running
back prospects in this entire draft class in the entire nation.
Last year in the draft class, I'll say, you know,
Jeremiah Love from Notre Dame, Nick Singleton for Penn State,
if they were in the draft, they be in the

(05:09):
conversation too. But in this draft class, Skataboo is right
up there with Ashton Genty second in miss tackles forced
on the season. I think he's just going to provide
the Giants with such an awesome one two punch at
the running back position. I don't want to use the
term thunder and lightning. I feel like that's been sort
of retired since the Tiki barber Ron days. But you know,

(05:33):
I don't. I feel like this is the best one
two punch the Giants have had at the running back
position since I guess the Brandon Jacobs Amad Bradshaw days.
I'm very excited to see these two guys compliment each
other in the backfield what they can each provide because
they're also both very very good pass catchers, both of them,
so they're kind of interchangeable. Camp Kataboo is going to

(05:55):
run over so many people. He's going to become a
fan favorite, if he's not already of is fans very
very quickly. I'm gonna go with him as my favorite
pick of the draft.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
All right, So two for Scataboo and one for Carter
Uh for our three hosts who were I didn't get Lances.
I should have asked Lance what his picks were.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
All right, who's next next? I'm gonna go with the
value peck and I feel like for this one it
is pretty easy. It's gotta be Marcus Bow in the
fifth round.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
That's who John said.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
I mean, obviously, mock drafts, draft projections going into the draft.
At the end of the day, they don't end up
meeting a whole lot because it's all the only thing
that matters is what how NFL teams see all these guys.
But most people had Marcus Bow as a probably a
late Day two pick, you know, third round. Like I thought,

(06:46):
when the Giants got on the clock at sixty five,
I thought there was a chance that they could take
Marcus Bow. Then then when they got on the clock
again it was one oh five. Again I thought, there's
a decent chance that Marcus Bow is the pick here.
The fact that he dropped lasted all the way to
one fifty four, I think was just tremendous value. I mean,
he told us after getting drafted on his conference call,

(07:08):
he's been training at all five positions. He has experience
playing right tackle and right guard, but he's been training
at all five. You know, the coaching staff, front office,
everyone's been boasting about versatility, and we've seen it with
a lot of the different editions the Giants have made
on both sides of the ball. Marcus Bow fits that perfectly.
He's going to come in and he's not going to
start right away, given you know, the return of Greg

(07:30):
Van Roden some of the other you know, veteran additions
that the Giants made on the offensive line. Similar to
you know, Jackson Dark, Marcus bo is gonna have time
to learn develop behind the veteran starters, gain experience from them,
pick things, pick tips up from these older guys and
really grow and we'll see what position he ends up at.

(07:50):
I mean my guess would be he would potentially, you know,
the plan is potentially for him to be that long
term answer at right guard. But who knows. He could Again,
he's been training at all five positions. He could end
up lining up anywhere. He's going to provide depth at
all five positions. I think for me, easily, that is
the value pick right there.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
See for me, easily it was Alexander because I believe
not only will he make much more of an immediate impact,
I think long term he will have a better career
than BO. And for a third round pick, John wasn't
buying it. He went with Bo because of course on
John's board, he was a third rounder, so that had
to make him a great value. And I get that.
I get that for him, And there's no right or

(08:32):
wrong answer. It's an opinion, and how do you feel.
Of course, I was talking to a scout yesterday who
said to me he thought Alexander might sneak into the
bottom of the first round. Now I thought he was
a mid second round value myself, maybe high second round,
Giants got him high third round Yeah, no, I you know,
so John's argument to me was, well, he didn't drop

(08:53):
like two full rounds like BO did, so that's why
he went there. But you know what, outside of David Deal,
how many fifth round off defensive lineman that the Giants
had that actually made an impact.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
For the Giants? Not too many. But no, I feel
like every year across the NFL we see one or
two guys that were picked on Day three develop into
you know, that pro Bowl level starter.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I'm gonna say, I just think that even though Alexander
was a third round pick, and you could say, well,
third round pick, he's expected to do something. I get that.
I think this guy is going to be a really,
really big time stud. I think he's going to be
really good. Yeah, and they're gonna be teams that are
gonna be sorry they passed on him at the bottom
of the first round.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
I cannot fault you at all for making him. You're uh,
was the value pick?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, because I think it's a longer, bigger impact than
a longer career than both. That's what I think.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
The only reason I went with Bo is just because
it's similar to John, I just expected him to go
way earlier, and while I don't think Alexander, I don't
think it was like a I expected Alexander to go
either mid to late second round. I was a little
surprise that he was there the third round. I don't
think he would have last if the Giants didn't pick him.

(10:04):
I don't think he would have lasted more than gone
a handful of picks later gone. So I do think
there was some value there for sure. I just again
similar to John, I just think because of where I
expected Bo to go, I see a little more value
in getting Bo in the middle of the fifth round.
Totally understandable, but as a great segue into my sleeper pick,

(10:24):
I'm going with Darius Alexander. I know he was a
third round pick, and you guys both picked Thomas Pedoni
was a seventh round pick. Obviously, that's more of the
sleeper value right there in the seventh round than the
third round. But I agree with just about everything you
just said about Darius Alexander. I think he was going
into the draft one of the guys that we talked
about as just that perfect compliment to Dexter Lawrence on

(10:45):
the inside, and I think he's going to not only
contribute right away as a rookie in year one, but
I will I agree with you that I think he's
gonna have a long, successful career in the NFL. I
think we're going to look back at that pick a
couple of years from now and think, how the heck
did this guy drop all the way to sixty five. Yeah,

(11:07):
he should have gone end of Round one, early Day two.
So it may not be that much of a sleeper
because again we're talking about the sixty fifth overall pick here.
But I think he's going to greatly outplay his draft slot.
I think he's going to be the perfect compliment to Dexter,
and the two of them are going to shay alongside

(11:27):
each other for years to come. I mean, we all
know that Dexter has had these very close relationships with
some of the former defensive tackles that were here prior
to Darius, you know, with bj Hill, Dalvin, Tomlinson, Leo.
I think Darius Alexanders is going to be the next
up in that line, and the two of them are
going to become close and they're gonna wreak havoc on

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the inside. As Brian Burns, Abdul, Carter and came on
Tibodeau Reek Havoc. From the outside, they're very happy with
them upstairs with him because another again, versatility. He mostly
lined up in the B gap, but he has experienced
lining up all across the defensive lines. He can kind
of go anywhere and sing with Chauncey Golston, Abdul we

(12:10):
know can line up in various different spots. Clearly, there
were two main attributes at the front office was targeting
this offseason between the draft and free agency, and it
was versatility and toughness. And I don't see how you
can look at the free agents that were brought in
and the draft class that was brought in and not
check those two attributes off in a very big.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Way, no doubt, no doubt. It's those characteristics will take
you very, very far as you try to develop these
young players. If they can satisfy both of those things,
you've got a chance to make something out of them.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Oh you know what you'll like about Darius Alexander. We
just had Ryan Wilson on the Huddle podcast which is
going up today, said that he talked to a bunch
of prospects he knows the most about history, like NFL history,
out of anyone in the class. They said they quized
him on like forty year old defensive line, and he
knew all of them. Him and Dylan Gabriel, he said,
were the most.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Doesn't surprise me because his maturity is very much heralded.
He has a six year old son who he has
raised and done a fabulous job doing. We even met
him when he brought him in here for the initial introductions,
and he is just a guy who is all business
and has his head screwed on straight and is mature

(13:24):
beyond his ears. So I'm not surprised that he would
pay attention to history because there's a lot.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
To learn, one hundred percent and just real quick. One
other thing that you know, Darius displays and I think
he can kind of see it throughout the entire draft class,
somewhat similar to the toughness attribute. But you know, upstairs,
Dan and I dance Almon and I have talked for
years about, you know, missing out on drafting Quentin Nelson
back in twenty eighteen. H Obviously he's a great offensive lineman,

(13:52):
but he just had that nastiness to him that you
want to see from an offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, anybody in the trenches.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, well you look at this draft class at the
Giants is brought in. You see that nastiness, that edge. Yes,
and almost every single guy you know. Darius had that
quote when he was here for his introductory press conference
the last question of the day. He the quote was,
I love taking my opponent's will. Yes, that is what
I want to hear from my especially from my lineman.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
I want to hear that nastiness, that edge. And we
you know Cam Scataboo obviously has that edge to him
as well. Jackson Dart has that edge to him. Abdua
Carter has that edge him. You see it throughout. Marcus
bo literally said, I love demoralizing my opponents. Like they
brought in a draft class of guys that have that
edge to them, that like clearly have at least a

(14:43):
little bit of a chip on their shoulder, and they
plan on taking it out on their opponents each and
every opportunity I get. And I love to see it.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
All right, folks, we gave you those questions yesterday. We
had a whole bunch of phone calls and we had
other people who still wanted to get in and they
didn't get a chance to because the show was only
an hour. So now we have more time today. If
you would like to answer the same three questions, we
will be very glad to take your responses. This afternoon
at two o one nine three nine four five one

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three we go to Abdul in Minneapolis and your first
time the show today.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
Hello you guys, Dylan. So I'm gonna ask the questions
and I'm also ask them for the question for that
if we have time. So, my favorite draft pick is
Alexander for everything he has just said, how how violent
he is. I think the impact he'll have the the
quickest impact of the draft pick over over everyone else,

(15:40):
the biggest uh.

Speaker 7 (15:45):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (15:45):
The second one would be uh, Marcus Bow I think uh.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I mean for the sleeper.

Speaker 6 (15:51):
Well, for the value, the the value that's the sleeper.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Marcus. I think both
for the value were working was drafted and how.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
See, I didn't think it was more than a third
day pick myself. I did not think he was going
to be a day two pick. I thought he was
a third day pick all along. So for me it
was harder to reach in that regard but go ahead.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
So this is how nasty is the versatility because he
can play multiple positions.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:21):
So, and the sleeper was an undrafted free agent and
it's MacCarty Patron Michigan.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, we can't go there because until those guys take
a physical and sign, those guys are not going to
be part of our conversation. So you are welcome to
pick any one of those guys that you have read
in the Internet or the papers, but we cannot discuss
them until they have signed contracts.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
Fair enough, Okay, So right then then it would be
the tied end from from from Nebraska. He his straight
line speed is over is underrated. I think he could block.
I've seen some cutups that yes, yes, he can block,
which is kind of a rarity. Uh this day and
age coming out of college tight ends blocking and I
think he has a height. He's kind of on the

(17:08):
complete package when it comes to a tight end, and uh,
the you know, the tight ends are kind of kind
of fin at in the Johant position. So I think
you'll have the opportunity to, uh to produce those of
my three. So I was Alexander bow and the guy
from the guy from Nebraska.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, when it comes to Fidoni, I know you guys
definitely mentioned this earlier in the week, but for those fans,
I'm sure it was brought up yesterday too. But for
those fans that don't know, Fidoni was the number one
tight end recruit in his recruiting class, and that was
a class that included Brock Bowers, Fidoni was number one
ahead of him. He just had two pretty bad acl
injuries while at Nebraska, but he's fully recovered from that,

(17:47):
had a pretty good year this past year. Very physical player.

Speaker 8 (17:51):
Yeah, and the.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
Fact that he came back from two bad kne injuries
shows that he loves the game.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh there's no doubt about that. If you've ever talked
to him or heard him, he does love the game.
And I'm sure he's gonna love the Italian food here too,
because in Nebraska, you gotta think he's probably eaten a
lot of steak.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
I think I think probably ducks in the show Exactor
where to go to for the doll the food. So
I think, you know, having that kind of intangible is
you can't coach that. You know, you can't really grade that.
It's just he loves the game and I think that
with people you know, sometimes over the top when it
comes to production. So the thing I wanted to add
a few days ago someone was talking about how the

(18:29):
Giants he players on scholarships or too long or something
like that, and then on the key he's clearly stated
what at least he wasn't clear saying what I think
the issue is. So my my only issue with this
coming year is I'm still not convinced the coaching staff
I'm both out of the ball and make the right
decisions or quick enough. For example, Evan Neil should have

(18:51):
been a guard last year. You know, the fact they
kept rolling out of Zooo a tackle when he was
drafted as a high pick at guard was a head scratch.
Why do they keep rolling out of Zoo even after
Zoo who got like Daniel Jones hurt? I tackle made
no sense. On the other side of the ball, the
fact that Banks is a better press cover cornerback, but

(19:11):
they have been playing zone not eighty percent of the time,
and he regressed. The way that Bowen used Okura Ke
made him regress. So the likes I said, I'm being
very open minded, I'm I feel very optimistic about this year,
but behind in the back of my head. I still

(19:32):
there's a bunch of head scratches, but this coaching staff
has done and the fact that they're already down to
bow is gonna play tackle and didn't even mention guard
like and we need it more at guard, I'm like,
why do you? Why do you announced that it's a
couple of head scratches, that that this coaching staff a duel.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I could go through each one of your points and
debunk them, because there are multiple reasons why each one
of those things occurred, and if you understood all of them,
you wouldn't be complaining about them. But I don't have
an hour and a half to go through all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
But there's a lot of reasons why those things had
to play out the way they did. Ultimately, though, And
I will say this, and you guys know, I am
a big Tay Banks guy. Heck, I was begging for
him in the draft when they took him two years ago.
So I am a huge Banks guy. But that does
not alleviate his responsibility whether or not the scheme is

(20:22):
best suited for him or not. He has to learn
to adjust. He's a pro player. He's getting a signed check. Now.
Now again, it may not be his favorite scheme, they
may not be his favorite calls that he's running out there,
but he also it's incumbent upon him as a professional
who's taken a paycheck to try to melt into whatever

(20:44):
it is that the coaches are telling him to do. So,
while I tend to agree that it was not the
best fit for him and the scheme was not very congruent,
I understand that, and I think that Shane Bowen has
told us that after one year of working with these guys,
he knows more about them and he will adjust appropriately. Well,

(21:05):
guess what, Tatee Banks needs to have some of that
responsibility too. As a player, you also have to either
get better at what you're not very good at or
make the proper adjustments that make it easier for you
to play that position. So don't just slam the coaches.
I'm just going to give that to you as one
example of why your list isn't necessarily being fair.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
Right, And I said, I'm keeping an open mind about it.
It was one year with Bowen and uh, you know,
I'm being very optimistic about this year so far, So
I hope you're right. Paul, all right, thank you for talking.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
About here, have a great day. Thank you, thank you
so much. Two on one nine three nine four five
one three. And you know that's part of the issue
that you know, people need to understand. There are many, many, many,
many factors as to why a young player comes into
a program and then the results are not with you
expected them to be. There can be a slew of

(22:03):
reasons among them. Injuries, perhaps position, coach, perhaps scheme, Perhaps
player just did not pick up what he should have
picked up. There could be a bunch of reasons. And
that's why it's really hard for me to just sit
back when somebody says, well, the coaches didn't do a
good job with him, that's that's just too easy a

(22:25):
cop out to say.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, I was just gonna
touch on the Evan Neil point in that, obviously, Evan
Neil's three years into his NFL career. Now you gotta
after year one, like, obviously, I don't think you move
him in after year one. You gotta give him a
little bit longer of a leash there. Yeah, so you
give him two years and then let's not forget year two.

(22:48):
He had injuries he didn't play the full season, and
then he was getting ready for his year, his third
year in the league, and he got injured again. And
he you know, he went into training camp not one
hundred healthy. And when you're coming back from an injury,
you've already been dealing with injuries to start your career.
Do you really think after training camp has already begun,

(23:09):
that is the best time to now have him move
inside to guard a position he hadn't played in years.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Absolutely, it made no sense.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
It wouldn't have made sense to try to move him
in in the middle of the season after already going
through the whole off season training at right tackle, and
prior to his injury, there was, you know, the feeling
of encouragement that he was gonna, you know, take over
that right tackle position. I mean when off season workouts
Ota started last year, Jermaine a Luminor was on the

(23:39):
inside right and Neil was that right tackle. But he
just I don't know when he suffered the injury or
re injured himself from the injury from the previous season,
but by the time he got back healthy, the season
had already started. Like, that's not the time you want
to start cross training.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
A guyside that that's the problem. He was so far
behind Illuminar. It sees the spot and you're not gonna
fuss with that at that point. It makes no sense.
The timing was horrible to cross train him. Now the
timing is better.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, And I mean Joe Shane has already spoken about
how Evan Neil said he's open to playing any position
that the Giants want him to play, right. He just
wants to get out there and help the team anyway
he can. You know, there are reports that he's moving inside,
and we'll see, you know, when the Giants actually get
on the field and start practicing, whether it's Otia's or
training camp in a couple of months, we'll see. But yeah,

(24:32):
the Neil Pard was the one that I just wanted
to touch on because I don't think it's fair to say, oh,
they should have moved him inside years ago, Like realistically,
a seventh overall pick, you got to give the guy
somewhat of a leash, and then he had injuries. Like
the Giants would love nothing more than for Evan Neil
to come in this year and have an amazing season
at guard and Locke be that, you know, long term

(24:55):
answer at right guard. Nothing would make the Giants happier
than for Evanil to take over that position in the
long run, and it could happen. He's the cabin We
see guys movingside all the time and have success after
failing on the outside.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well, he's not going to be a slot receiver. I'll
tell you that.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
A little too big for that.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Doug and Glenn's falls your next up, Big Blue Kickoff Live.

Speaker 7 (25:17):
Hello, I'm falling. Actually, I want to first comment. I
saw a replay of when when John smelt anounced Scatterabo
being being drafted. Yes, you must have been the hat.
That's the happiest I've seen you since the twenty eleven

(25:37):
Super Bowl when you were jumping up one down and
shaking your arms.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Uh. Yeah. There were a lot of reasons why I
was pumped up. I was pumped up because I wanted
the player personally, and that's the spot that I was
hoping to get him in and was told by a
lot of people he'll never make it there, so that
that was certainly one reason. The other reason was after
going to sleep after to the third round. Remember and
Joe Shane talked about this too in the interview that

(26:04):
John and I did on Giants dot Com, it was
sweating bullets because everybody you know, shuts down after the
third round. Now you go to sleep for the night,
and you got to get up the next morning and
the fourth round's going to start, and you got pick
number three, which means two teams in front of you
might be able to steal the guy that you've been
dreaming about all night, and in fact was a Jacksonville

(26:29):
took a running back right before Scataboo. Oh yeah, go
to the fourth round, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah to Virginiat tack running.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, they took a running back right before the Giants
did in the fourth round. And so you know, it
was it was really, really scary. And so that's why
when when the when the name popped up and John
read it right off the screen, That's why it was.
It was a matter of I was happy for the team.

(27:00):
I was certainly happy for me to hit the bull's eye,
but but also I just think this guy is going
to make a world of difference. He is such a
perfect fit for that running back room. I'm just I'm
just thrilled. So that was the reason for the reaction.

Speaker 7 (27:14):
Okay, well, I just I just I just say. I
think that's the happiest I've seen you since.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I was I was pretty happy during the Minnesota playoff
game a couple of years ago. Trust me.

Speaker 8 (27:26):
Probably that to the end?

Speaker 7 (27:28):
Well, well, and you know, and you want the value pick,
the favorite pick, the value pick, and what was the
third one sleeper sleep? Yes, sir, okay, the value pick,
I mean, the favorite pick for me probably is the
the the kid from I'm Drun Blank, the kid from

(27:51):
Purdue of the offensive.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Lineman, Marcus Marcus Boy.

Speaker 7 (27:58):
The value pick actually would be Scataboo, okay for where
they got him. And then the sleeper probably would be
the tight end from from Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah for don'y, Yeah for Donie. All logical. There's no
right or wrong answer to to you this stuff. It's
all about your opinion and your preference and what you
think of the players. But how did you like the draft?

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Overall?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Good one? Right?

Speaker 6 (28:24):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (28:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (28:26):
And I and I And was it John or someone
had on someone had on Charlie Weiss.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yes, we had Charlie Weiss on John and I talked
to him on Big Blue Kickoff Live the other.

Speaker 7 (28:38):
Day about Jackson Dart.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yes, and If you haven't listened to that interview, folks,
go back to the archive on giants dot com. He
gave us about a half hour, and he was actually
Lane Kiffen and Charlie's son, Charlie Weiss Junior, who's the
offensive coordinator slash quarterbacks coach. They allowed Charlie when he
visited to Old Miss, they allowed him in the room.

(29:02):
He was actually in the room in the quarterbacks room. Uh.
So he got to know Jackson Dart about as well
as anybody could. So he gave us some really good
details about the guy as Okay, anything else.

Speaker 9 (29:19):
No, that'll do it.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Thank you, appreciate it, Doc, Thank you so much for calling.
Thanks Doug, uh Jackson Dart. If you didn't get a
chance to check out Charlie, go back and watch the
Gruden Quarterback Class episode.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Ye on ESPN doing clips. I haven't watched the whole
thing because it's like over an hour.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Oh it's an hour, but it's it's it's really good.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
I have some time over it.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's it's really really good. Two on one nine three
nine four five one three go.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Ahead, No, I just wanted to I mentioned before that
the little quote from Marcus bow yes, and fitting into
that toughness thing. I just pulled up the full quote,
and I just want to read the whole quote because
it's a lot better than what I said. Okay, so
the question was knocking people over. Is that something you
kind of cherish up front? Is that a mentality for you?

(30:09):
And his response was, no doubt. Putting people on the ground,
winning reps, demoralizing people, it's always fun and it's definitely
part of the reason why I love this game. That's
the type of quote I want to hear from my lineman. Wait,
so I just love that quote so much. I had
to read the whole.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Thing off or, as Jesse Ventura once said, I believe
in what was that movie with Stallone when he goes,
I ain't got time to bleed.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
I forgot what movie that is?

Speaker 2 (30:37):
That was with the alien? Come on, Pearson helped me out.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Pearson should know he's the Predator movie that it?

Speaker 2 (30:43):
It was a Predator. I ain't got time to bleed,
You got time to duck. Let's go back to the
calls Hot, Big Blue Kickoff Live Cliff in New York,
You're next on the show.

Speaker 9 (30:54):
Hello, Hey guys, great stuff for the for the value
I I like both trenches, guys, Alexander and bow And
because I'm trying to I'm trying to move begin to
move past the excitement phase, which is, you know, we

(31:16):
don't have to I don't have to be in any
hurry to move past. There's a lot to be excited about.
They did exceed last year's draft, which everybody praised through
the roof. So what else can you say about the
whole thing?

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (31:31):
The you know, I was, as you know Paul I was,
and Matt you know, I was really looking to get
Marcus Graham, and he would have been a guy that
I would have predicted could have reasonably been regarded as
a starter in week one. But you know, you can't
complain about what we got on defense, which for that

(31:55):
position because of where the value is, because you don't
have to pay him much, do you. I mean, Joe
Shane is still managing a salary cap as he goes
through this whole process, and so I like that stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Well, Cliff, let me just say this before you go
any further, and I'm gonna let you finish in a second.
These two guys right here at this table were the
two biggest Marcus Graham fans Mason Mason Graham, Marcus Bow.
Mason Graham, Marcus Bow. The ems are getting me confused.
We were the two biggest Graham fans on the whole
broadcast division. Okay, so understand that. But the argument against

(32:37):
Graham was the class was so deep at defensive tackle,
you're going to get really good prospects even later on.
And what happened. They got Abdul Carter at the third
pick of the draft, and they got Darius Alexander, who
we all agree is going to be a really good
player in the third round. So I get the argument

(33:02):
against Mason Graham. I get it. I don't have a
problem with Carter because we both agreed also the loser
of the Carter Hunter pick number two slot was gonna
be the guy the Giants had to take. Neither one
of us would have taken Graham over Carter.

Speaker 7 (33:21):
No.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
I mean literally, what Cleveland did in the top of
the draft is the one situation I said I would
be okay with the Giants, you know, moving out of
three and not coming out of the first round with
Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter. And that was to move
down to five to Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
And then maybe pick up.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
That first round pick in next year's draft and then
come out with Mason Graham. It's exactly what Cleveland did.
So that again, that was the only situation that I
said it on the show. That was the only situation
that I would have been okay with coming out of
the top of the first round, not with Abdul Carter
or Travis so.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Cliff, the flip side of that coin actually turned out
to be the case. The Giants were getting a heck
of a defensive tackle later on, So it really did
work out well for the team.

Speaker 9 (34:05):
No, no, no question about it. But it also shows
me that, you know, the when it comes to the
to winning, you know, Joe Shane is still in a
process of building the entire roster UH for for sustained
success and all that stuff is in there with these
picks also, and I don't see before I get back

(34:29):
to the winning part, I don't see any sleepers because
I can't be surprised at anybody in these picks that
that has an impact. I was really surprised that we
got what we got at seven and UH in two
sevens because my reaction, you know, originally was was that

(34:55):
the whole Day three surprised me, except for Scataboo, that
they got so much, But for the for the longer term,
for for the for the sustained success and the and
the team that can really compete in the division. I
think will be much more competitive this year in the division.
But I don't think we can uh say that we're

(35:16):
there yet unless Alexander and Bow or people like him
really step up and win starting jobs, which I think
is too much to ask for early on. But but
the the the the the thing with the trenches guys
also is that you know, I haven't forgotten. I'm so

(35:36):
glad you brought up the defensive Neil. I've been on
that case for three years. You can't You just can't
discount the injuries because it in effect it makes him
a second year player, you know. And at most and
the fact that somebody makes an announcement when I heard

(35:59):
Joe Shane announced the cross training of Neil, that doesn't
mean they gave up on him at right tackle at all.
It's an overarching objective in the offensive line. They've said
it a thousand times. They like guys that can play
more than one position.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Cliff even more than that, it's about getting the best
five on the field, and however you have to name them,
whatever position you have to give them. If you can
get your best five offensive linemen on the field, no
matter how you get to that final analysis, that's what
you got to try to do.

Speaker 9 (36:33):
Yes, Yes, And and I don't think the trenches can
go any faster than they have. I've been really curious
as to what the new ol coach.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Is from.

Speaker 9 (36:51):
Brisillo. You you did a good job last year, That's
what everybody said, and that was not unexpected. And and
you know this, well, aren't we going to find out
today if Evan is getting the fifth year?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Oh no, well he already is not getting it. Joe
Shane announced it.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Joe already announced it over the weekend.

Speaker 9 (37:12):
They're all right, Well that doesn't phaze me really. I
was hoping they'd give it to him, But it just
means he's going to work for it, and he's you know,
that's there's nothing wrong with that thing, not at all.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Think you got to keep in mind about these fifth
year options is, at least right now, the NFL doesn't
differentiate between the five different offensive line positions. So the
fifth year option is it's some like crazy amount be seven.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
It would have been seventeen million.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
For Neil like yes yesterday the raven the Ravens announced
they were declining Tyler Linderbaum's fifth year option. And he's
one of the best centers in the league. And it's
just because that would have been he would have been
getting you know, four or five million dollars more than
what the highest paid center in the league is currently getting.

Speaker 9 (37:54):
Right And there it is that Joe Shane is is
managing a budget us for this year. He's managing down
the road two or three years. He told us that
when he was hired, that's what he does, that's what
he learned how to do. And he's got a heck
of a team behind him now obviously too, which he's
you know, been quick to point out one other thing

(38:17):
that I just learned.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Real quick, Cliff, I got other guys.

Speaker 9 (38:20):
On the lab okay one, all right, I'll leave it
at this. On the QB thing quick, I just found
out a couple of days ago. That's sometime the next
couple of weeks, Dable and whoever else is gonna sit
down with the scouts and decide which twenty twenty six
quarterbacks they're going to take a close look at so
you know, nothing's been handed to the twenty fifth or

(38:44):
twenty fourth draft pick, whatever that was.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, you always have to do your research, Cliff, This
never stops. It's three hundred and sixty five days a year.

Speaker 8 (38:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
I mean Joe Shane and Ride Dabele spoke about the
offseason that they you know, ended up giving Daniel Jones
that long terming session. They still scouted the top quarterbacks
that upcoming year. Like, you got to do your homework
in every position every year because you just never know
what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Players are scouted two three years out anyway. Yeah, I mean,
you know this is this is not a surprise to anybody.
Kevin from Arizona. You have seen the Giants rookie running back,
I'm sure up close and personal. Why did you tell
us about him?

Speaker 8 (39:23):
Well, I became a big time fan of Camp Scattabu,
especially this year. Of course it started last year when
he first came to a sum By the way, I'm
the first time taller and a new Giants fan and
a brand new Giants fan, Okayla. And the reason is

(39:43):
the reason is Cam Scatabu.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, Now, by.

Speaker 8 (39:47):
The way, I coached eighteen years in high school football,
so I hope I have a little bit of credibility
to know what I'm talking about. But you know, everybody
was talking about Cam's forty speed, his long speed. I
think people, I think that was so misleading because first
of all, you go to the you go to the combine.
He has a thirty nine and a half or thirty

(40:08):
nine and three quarter vertical jump. Now what does that
tell you? That tells you all you need to know.
And that's why when you watch film and watch his feet,
you'll see his jump cuts and lateral movement. It looks
like you're watching old Barry Sanders films.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Well, I don't want to go that far now, No, no, no, no.

Speaker 8 (40:26):
I'm saying you watch his feet, But can you watch
what people think he runs straight ahead and bullets? Oh no,
but this is not this is not true.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
He's got the ability to make some people miss too,
he does.

Speaker 8 (40:38):
You're right, Yeah, that's what I was saying. He makes
people miss with his feet. And then of course once
you if you do get a good block on him,
he's so dang low to the ground. How do you
fact you can't you can't wrap him up and then
tell you. But I'm saying I just wanted to say
that this all this about the forty speed and he's slow. Yeah, people,

(41:00):
I just need to watch the film or maybe another
twelve or fifteen times to see how he's out running
guys that are on Texas like one of the fastest
teams in the country. I mean, I just think that
was crazy. I mean, you guys have something very special
with Cannonball Camp. I'm telling you cannon Ball Cam.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Did I hear you correctly? Cannon Ball Cam.

Speaker 8 (41:23):
Cannon And he's.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Aware of this. This is the nickname you guys have
given him out there.

Speaker 8 (41:29):
No, that's the nickname I'm giving him.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
You're giving it to him. All right, Well, Kevin, I'll
tell you what I'm gonna do when he gets here, Okay,
a week from today, I'm going to ask him and
if he's cool with that, maybe we'll adopt that nickname
for him on the show.

Speaker 8 (41:43):
Well, there you go. That's the one that when I
watch him run, that's the first thing I think of.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Very cool. I like, well, you know the other thing
that I wanted to say before you go, you said
you coached eighteen years at high school. I mean it
still applies at every level of football. Place speed and
forty time speed are two different things, yep. And obviously
you know that. And you could see with the eye

(42:08):
test what a guy's play speed is by how he
runs in relation to the other players on the field.
That's a heck of a lot different than just looking
at the stopwatch.

Speaker 8 (42:20):
Yeah, I just like I said, I wanted the Columba
because I wanted to put the bed this forty speed
notion that this is how you make a running back
based on forty speed. It's absolutely idiotic.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
We know what it is, Kevin, you know what it is.
A lot of teams today. I'm sorry to interrupted, but
I want to just make sure we get this point
in before before you finish up. A lot of teams today,
they want the guy who's going to be able to
break the play and go forty to fifty sixty yards
all the way for a touchdown. Everybody's enamored not just
with the forty time, but they want the ability for

(42:53):
that guy to break a couple of tackles and go
and get to the end zone and not stop until
he passes the goal. Well that's fine, I get the
appetite for that and camp Kimp Scataboo, you might catch
him forty yards downfield. He does get caught from behind.
We've seen the tapes. But that's okay because if that's not,

(43:14):
every running backs room is the same. And this running
backs room badly needed a power back in the worst way.
I was crying for one. He's that guy. Now, if
you have a power back in your room already and
you need some quicker, faster, big play guys, maybe you
don't want to draft a Scataboo because you need a

(43:35):
speed guy. I get that.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
It's okay, right, Yeah, he might get caught forty yards
down the field, but it's gonna be after he ran
over three guys to get forty yards down or.

Speaker 8 (43:46):
Put a stiff farm in your face mask exactly. By
the way, one last comment before I go, guys, I
really enjoy your show. I'm so glad I found it
on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (43:56):
Anyway, As far as the steal in the draft, as
far as all the all the guys that you guys chose,
actually I think there's I think Bow in the fifth
round was absolutely a steal. With his athleticism and size,
I just wanted to add that in there. That's that's
the steal for me in your draft.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Well, we appreciate the call, Kevin. Please do call us
again during the season. Thank you, all right, thank you,
thank two one nine nine four five one three. By
the way, real quick, Pierson, I know you mentioned a
huddle earlier in the program. What is up there now
that folks can get after they finished with the Today's
Big Blue Kickoff.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Live, Brian Wilson should be going up at least.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Shortly from CBS Sports.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
And we have the two draft seasons up, and yesterday
we put up the draft interviews that Sean o'haron Madeline
did with the so their first interviews is giants essentially right.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
That was during the three day draft.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
So tomorrow you get Chase Daniel on Jackson Dart.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Plenty of stuff, plenty of stuff up there.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
On posted the Ryan Wilson huddle video to the website.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Okay, just now, well you go up while you're doing
the program.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
I can multitask. It's also just clicking one button. It
was already set up before the show.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
So all right, I believe we are going to Jonathan
in Westchester. You're next time Big Blue Kickoff Live.

Speaker 7 (45:20):
Hello, Hey, how are you guys?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Well?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Good, how are you?

Speaker 10 (45:25):
I'm good. So, I know there's been a lot of
talk about, you know, the additions to our defensive line
and the pressure that they should be able to generate,
which is exciting, but I'm actually equally excited about what
our secondary and specifically our safeties can do in this defense.
I was watching you had mentioned Sean O'Hara. I was
watching Sean O'Hara do his own breakdown of Tyler Newban's

(45:48):
rookie year, and he pulled up a video of a
few disguised safety blitzes and showed just how awesome of
a job Newman does of coming down hill and dodging
blocks and then tackling the running back in the backfield.
And as I'm watching this, I'm thinking just how amazing
it'll be to have new Been doing the same thing,

(46:13):
except you know, this upcoming year, you'll have the offenses
also dealing with Alexander and Dexter, Lauren and Goldston and
Carter and Tibbs and Burns. You know, You've Ben could
very easily have a free run into the backfield without
needing to dodge any bokers. So just really looking forward
to that.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Holland being the safety next to him, which it's an
upgrade from who he's playing next to last year one Hund.

Speaker 10 (46:44):
I mean, I haven't seen Holland play in person yet,
so you know, I'm not sure exactly exactly what to
expect from him.

Speaker 7 (46:52):
I can't say.

Speaker 10 (46:52):
You know, I was watching Dame Dilton at the end
of last year and he he also seemed to play well.
I mean, he improve he had I know he had
just looking at this fifteen combined tackles in the Ravens game,
he had that great interception off of Flaco and the
Colts game towards the end of the year.

Speaker 6 (47:10):
So I think, you know, he could also.

Speaker 10 (47:11):
Have a lot of opportunities to miss.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah, Belton really Belton really flashed times. He flashed Belton
last year when he was given an opportunity, and he's
going to be, you know, playing that third safety position
again this year, so he'll get some opportunity. He's got
to make the most of it. But yeah, I just
what you were saying about Tyler Nuban. I think we
can all agree he had a very solid rookie year

(47:34):
and that was with no interceptions, which was one of
his biggest straints at Minnesota was the fact that he
was such a bullhawk. You know, we're coming out of
Nuban's rookie year saying he had a pretty good rookie
year and that was without doing any having any of
those interceptions. Those are going to come, especially with the
improved talent around him. I think this time next year,
we're going to be talking about how big of a

(47:56):
step we saw from Nuban in year two.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I would go as far as to say that Newban's
rookie season was probably more consistent and more solid across
the board than even when Landon Collins was a rookie
and Xavier McKinney was a rookie. That's how good he was.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yeah, McKinney missed most of his rookie year, He only
played the last like five games, and coming off a
serious foot injury, it was kind of tough to get
a good read on him such a small sample size.

Speaker 10 (48:21):
So I agree with you, and then actually, Paul one
thing for you, So yeah, I know we have a
tough this year, and you know, you know the history
as well as anybody's nasty, and I was looking at
highlights in nineteen eighty six. The Giant hoelm opener that
year was against the San Diego Chargers, and that that

(48:43):
Charges team was led by you know, Paul of Damer
Dan Fout.

Speaker 11 (48:46):
He ran the er.

Speaker 10 (48:49):
So I think Thatuts had probably the worst game of
his career through five interceptions, two each by safety's Kenny
Hill and Terry Cunard.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Well, let chat him alive.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
Ye right.

Speaker 10 (49:00):
You know, so Giants have a very tough schedule, least
on paper this year, but it doesn't doesn't mean they
can't go out there and embarrass from very good teams.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
You don't play the game on paper, you play it
on the field, and don't don't underestimate the power of
some of these players, who I think are going to
have really good seasons. Thanks for the call, especially with
you guys, appreciate it. Thanks Jonathan two on one nine
three nine four five one three. I think it's important

(49:30):
to note that I was just talking to coach Gobriel
of Special Teams Coordinated the other day and I said,
you know, everybody's making a big deal about some of
the pieces that have been added to the defense, and
rightfully so. And he understood that. Yeah, and you know,
let's face it, Russell Wilson is an upgrade on offense. Okay,

(49:50):
we get that too, but I said, uh, very quietly,
your room has gotten huge upgrades, especially during free agency
Chris Bord. And right away he said to me, uh,
the linebacker, I said, Chris Bords from the Ravens. See
a big smile on his face. He he goes, he
was my number one target during the UF season.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Doesn't surprise me at all. He's a fantastic special team.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
And I said, and that's not all. You went and
added another two or three, maybe even four.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Guys, another really strong sea, all.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Really good on special teams. And basically what it comes
down to is this, as the Giants try to climb
back into respectability and competitiveness, it's clear what they decided
they were going to greatly enhance special teams and greatly
enhance the defense. Because what's the easiest way to climb

(50:46):
out of the quicksand win special teams every week, which
is one third of the game, win defense at least
half the time, which now raises the level of the boat.
And now if you just play solid offense, game manager
kind of offense, you're going to be in a ton
more games because it's a lot easier to improve special

(51:09):
teams in defense than it is offense.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
One hundred percent. I mean, I know, prior to the draft,
I saw so some fans on Twitter complaining that, like,
the Giants are running back the same offense as last
year basically with just a change at quarterback. But I
think you gotta just keep in mind that having a
much improved defense and a much improved special teams unit
that is going to help the offense significantly tilts the

(51:31):
field for god to one hundred, one hundred percent. You know,
all these sides. We always talk about complimentary football. There's
a reason for it. There's a reason why the best
teams in the league play complimentary football. Each side of
the ball helps the other. When the defense is able
to get off the field very quickly, or if the
special teams unit is able to give the offense great
field position, obviously that puts the offense in much better

(51:54):
positions to succeed. So I agree, just because the focus
of a lot of the offseason editions happen to be
on defense or special teams are both. Because you know
those two linebackers you mentioned, they're obviously going to contribute
a lot on special teams, but those are also you know,
your depth linebackers as well. I wouldn't be they're gonna
They're gonna get some stafs that line.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
But I just don't think enough of people outside the
building or paying attention to how good the special teams
could possibly be.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
I think we're gonna come back after the season look
back at all the freeze and additions, and Chris Board
is gonna be one of the big the ones we
talked about being like, I think we needed to discuss
him a lot more than we did. He's going to
have an impact.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Be cool to see what Corey Black can do too.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yes, the corner of the draft.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
To play specials and.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Did that in college for a couple of years and
was really impactful at doing so. Oh yeah, I'm just saying, folks,
mark it down now. The giant special teams are going
to make a difference in some of these games for sure.
Will we go to Alex in Philadelphia, you're next to
the program, Hello, Alex, We're okay.

Speaker 8 (53:02):
How are you good?

Speaker 11 (53:04):
Good? Good? I just wanted to talk about the draft
that we had recently because I remember calling it in
before the start of the second round. And I just
want to say that I think that everybody after the
dark pick was a still because I was sitting there
thinking the whole time, I don't see how Darius Alexander

(53:25):
falls was in the third round. I just don't see it.
I was sitting there thinking, out Ford Collins maybe, you know,
the same thing with Cam Scattaboo in the fourth. I
was like, there's no way we're gonna have a hard
decision here between three players in the third round, and
we got all three that I that I would like
to have on the team. They all show the same
type of traits. And I feel like it's a common

(53:46):
theme in this whole draft, this toughness as compared to
like last year, I feel like the theme was more
blue chip players, but this year it's it's it's toughness
and I like it. I like it. I miss it
how Giants football is when I when I first started watching,
and and uh, you know, having a big back like

(54:07):
Scatterball in the backfield, and even Marcus bow you know,
I think that if he was a lot stronger, he
would have never fell to the fourth round or the
fifth round where we got him. Because I'm watching the
tape on him, and he could move.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Oh he's very athletic, no question. He's got really good feet.
I'm sorry, he's got really good feet. He gets he
gets out there, he can get out there on the edge.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
And one of the reasons why people think he got
dropped to the fifth round was just because there was
somewhat of a question of what position is he going
to play? And that clearly was not much of a
concern at all to the people in this build.

Speaker 11 (54:48):
No, not either for me. I watched him. He moves,
He moves great, he moves. He moves like a tackle
and he's got moved, got handed placement, moves, he's got
he's got some tool of us, you know. And like
Joe Shane said, you know, you try to drag people
on things you can't you know what I mean. You
can't teach. You can't teach you know what I mean, athleticism.
I mean you could teach getting stronger. You can hit

(55:10):
the weight room for a year, you know. But man,
he's going to be an exciting picks for us. I
think he was a very underrated pick. Everyone likes the
fancy ones. I love defense here. He's at Xander player
I think mark z Bowl were going to be saying
his name a lot in the next like five.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Years, Alex. One piece of caution for you. Joe Shane
was on Serious NFL XM Radio, Serious XM NFL Radio
yesterday and he was basically saying they like him as
a project, but he was kind of indicating he might
be like a red shirt this year. You know, he's
going to be in the mix. Yeah, he's going right,
because he can develop, right, He's going to be in

(55:47):
the mix. But they believe they've collected a quantity of
linemen who are capable and he more or less is
a project. And he even said, and this refers to
something Matt had said a little bit earlier. He had
even said, don't be surprised he might have some center
flexibility down the road. So long term, I think I

(56:09):
think bo is a good conversation piece. I'm not sure
you're gonna see him even take a snap this year, though.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Yeah, I mean, if Bow ends up playing, I would
say significant amount of time, especially early in the season,
that would I think that would probably mean that the
offensive line is in some kind of rough shapey in
terms of injuries. That's what I in terms of injuries,
I think a lot of guys are gonna have to

(56:35):
go down before we see Marcus both take you out
significant significant snaps. One thing I just want to mention,
because I mentioned before the toughness attribute that we see
throughout this entire draft class, I just don't want to
say I think that same attribute goes back to last
year's class as well. It's not talked about nearly as much,
but you look at especially the first three picks in

(56:56):
last year, and it's not only because of the success
they had his rookies, but Malik neighbors, Tyler Nuban and
Drew Phillips. Again, those are three examples of toughness right there.
Malik battled through injuries basically the entire season and went
on to have a record setting rookie year for the Giants.
Tyler nuba we just talked about how much of a
hard nose, you know, just all around solid safety he

(57:19):
was this past season. And Drew Phillips, I mean, I
feel like we just never talk about him anymore, but
he was potentially, you know, the most impressive of the rookies.
I mean, he was right up there with Malik and
Tyron Tracy I think because those two are the skill
the offensive skill positions, they get a little more attention.
But and he missed a couple of games as well.
But Drew Phillips, I mean, I feel like the epitome

(57:42):
of toughness. I mean, real quick, our social team put
out this video yesterday, this trend of that's going around
social media. Who would win in a fight between one
hundred men and one gorilla? And did we put this
video out asking a bunch of the guys that are
in the building right now. In the video ends with
Drew Phillips basically saying the real question should be a

(58:03):
hundred gorillas versus me. Then he dropped the mic and
walked away, which obviously that's an exaggeration, but that just
shows the type of mindset that Drew Phillips has. And yeah,
that toughness attribute, I know, we talked about it a lot,
and Coach Dable talked about it a lot about this
year's class, But that same attribute goes back to last
year's class as well.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
We'll look at his one support. Yeah, he's to take
anybody on.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Yeah, could do you think we would win that fight? Paul?

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Between Drew Phillips and one hundred people, no gorillas, one
hundred gorillas. I'm not betting against Drew. There's no way
I'm betting against Drew. I gotta look at him in
the locker room every day.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
What about one hundred men versus one gorilla? This is
the big debate that's going around social media.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Depends on how hungry the gorilla is. I got my
money on the gorilla, just for the record. All right, well,
I guess that wraps up. But today's show another fun program.
Certainly enjoyed your phone calls again. Uh, we will be
back one more time this week. That is tomorrow for
Friday show, A Big Blue Kickoff Live two O one
nine three nine four five one three right down the

(59:10):
number if.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
You want to tomorrow since me and you again. If
you want to dive into that one hundred men versus
gorilla debate, really dive into it, we might have some time.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
I don't know that there's a whole lot of thought
processes that need to be explored in that regard.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
I'd love to hear Pearson's take on them.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Yes, Pearson takes if it's if it's one hundred dexter Lawrence's.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
That's about that. That is different.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah, well I will. I will say this. I could
give two horses butts about the gorilla and the one
hundred people. I need the Knickerbockers to take care of
business tonight in Detroit so that they can get the
three days off and then prepare to whip the Celtics butts.
That's that's what we need here in New York. Okay.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
I can't wait to be on the show next week
with you guys. Nick's Celtics fans. Me is the third
party observer my Brooklyn Nets sadly nowhere near the playoffs.
I just get to watch you your teams have fun,
and I hope it's fun, cordial exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
We we We're good. We're good. But I'll tell you
this wrestling match with Detroit has gotten ugly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Detroit's a feisty team, but I think you guys are
going to close it feisty.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I got a few other words for them that we
won't say over the air.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I think the Knicks are going to close it out tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
They darn well should they better get it done all right,
Go Brunson, go Cat, get it done tonight out there
in Detroit. That'll do it for this edition of Big
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