Big Blue Kickoff Live 6/11 | Giants Blind Rankings

Lance Medow and Paul Dottino play a game of Giants blind rankings and take calls from fans.

:00 - Giants receivers

10:10 - Giants running backs

19:25 - Giants seasons

29:00 - Quarterbacks

39:20 - Stadiums

42:20 - Giants games

51:15 - Best celebrations

56:00 - Calls

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Health keep getting Better. So some interesting topics on the
agenda today. Part one of our program is going to
be a little mysterious. Paul has been on the edge
of his seat leading up to this program. I can
tell you he has been anticipating this over the last
few days. I don't even know how you got through
the previous shows earlier in the week. What do these circumstances?

(01:29):
What I commend you for doing that, whatever, So that'll
be part one. Then we've actually received some Twitter questions
which we want to answer, and then of course we'll
try to get to your phone calls as well. So
a jam pack program. And off the top, we're gonna
have Pearson. He's going to give us five or six
different topics, and Paul and I will have to rank

(01:50):
players that he throws out or whatever other subject matter
that is throwing our way accordingly. And Paul, I don't
know if you saw this before Peerson gets started. Is
a popular game that people are playing on social media
where you I've seen this done with NBA teams and
NBA players where you have to rank five or six

(02:11):
let's say NBA teams, but you don't know the five
or six going in. They're one by one thrown your
way and you have to place them accordingly.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
You don't know what's coming next.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
You don't know what's coming, so you have to judge
whether or not do you want to put the team
too high? Do you want to put them too low? Because,
for example, if we were doing hypothetically speaking, the best
edge rusher is in Giants' history, right and Lawrence Taylor,
of course you're going to save for number one. But
let's say maybe the and he might be on the list.
I have correct, he may not be on the list.
So you have to think a little bit before you process.

(02:44):
So that's historical exercise blind rankings. It's blind, but it's
historical piers and so I think that appeases Paul Detino
more so than any other member of the broadcast team,
because nobody loves history more so than the man sitting
see now are doing an NBA ranking.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
That would be easy because I would automatically put last
everything I could for the Pacers, the heat, the bulls
in theself well, but if I despise all four teams.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
If Pearson was smart, he wouldn't throw out any players
who are synonymous with any of those teams. He'd make
it more challenge. But this is, yes, this is NFL
relivering to the giants. Correct. So that's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna do five or six off the top, and
then after Paul and I get finished, if you want
to weigh in, of course you could do it on
social media as well. Feel free to throw out your
thoughts as well. All right, Pearson, let's go off the top.

(03:32):
First topic here.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
All right, our first topic is giants receivers.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Okay, so all time we have to rank these receivers
that you were going to This is but sounds here.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Here's what I don't get about this. Of course we
knew that, but but there's there's there's no validity to it.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
There isn't no of course, we'll just have to try
and get it correct.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh oh okay, it's it's just pure guess.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Won't I won't change anything on the lists.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay, Yeah, he did his fair sh of homework, Carson.
And this goes backs and goes back to the fifties
or beyond.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
There might be one or two categories with stuff before
the eighties or seventies.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh well, you can go back to the fifties.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I understand that. Well, I wanted to make sure we
only care about year.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
You know, if you go back to the fifties, yeah,
I mean I would be okay doing that, but I
can't say I'm speaking from evidence.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
All right to very good Yes, all right, guys, Yes,
first one is Melak Neighbors.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Elak Neighbors House, the one through five, one through five, Okay.
I wanted to make sure we have the number. Okay,
Mileak Neighbors. Okay, do you want to go first, Paul,
Why don't you go first for this one? So I
have to give him a number number from one to
five and five one is my guess, is the best
guy on his list? One? Correct? Exactly?

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Oh okay, Well, I will base this on career, not
based on just one season. So based on career, all
we have is one year. Heck, if we did that,
O Beckham would be awesome right after one year, but
that career workout not as good as we thought it
was going to. So I'll go, well, based on just
one year, I'll go Malik Neighbors five.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Okay, I'll go four because he did have a remarkable
rookie year. He did, so I'm not gonna dismiss that
to your point. Odell did two. But I think Neighbors
has shown us in a flash, and something tells me
Pearson's got a few curve balls our way. So I'm
gonna leave some leeway under those circumstances. I'll go four.
Paul goes five for Neighbors. Okay, who's next?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
All right, Sterling Shepherd.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Sterling Shepherd, Okay, I'll go first this time with Sterling.
Sterling has been solid if you look at his career,
but he did deal with injuries. You know, I'm gonna
go Sterling Shepherd five on this one, and I'll go four.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Okay, and only because of his longevity and the years
that he had. It seems to me you would have
to put him above Neighbors right now. Neighbors has one year,
Shepherd had several years, and Shepherd also played for a
playoff team.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
And I understand all of your reasoning, but I think
I guess since Pierson also did not throw out rules
in terms of how we can think about it, just
like when we went through the NFC's rankings, my feeling
is with Neighbors, it's projection. I think when it's all
said and done, He's gonna have a better career than
Sterling Shepherd. I'm sure. So right now, I'm willing to
get screw it up at four. I understand, where's the

(06:26):
optimism out of you? I mean, what's going on here, Paul?
I mean I would think you would have the positive.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know me, I got to convince you the case
of anti hype hypotheticals and so are you.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
No, that's true, but I would think spies hypotheticals. I
do not like hypothetics. But based on this exercise, I'm
willing to jump out of the box a little bit.
But I'm still taking Shepherd's longevity. That's fair. Okay, So
we've got four and five, yes, in a different orders.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Got three spots left? Yes, all right, I kill her.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
See he's he's he's tweaking me right. Well, that's what said.
You have to anticipate.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
And because Pike is one of my all time pound
for pound favorite giants.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Uh wow, tugging at the heartstrings and pulling it there,
I'll I'll go Ike three, and I don't have a
problem with doing that. I'm with Ike three as well.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Leaving the top two spots open. All right, Yeah, next
one is Phil McConkie.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's your turn, right, No, it is, Well, I thought
you were gonna throw something out.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
It looks like you I was gonna say something funny,
but maybe maybe I should just let you pick.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
But I was gonna say something. Well, our options are
limited at this point, Yes they are, so, mconkie to
me is absolutely two. Well, yeah, I've got nowhere to
go based on those circumstances, and I'm certainly not putting
a number one.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
We don't have anywhere to go, correct, I mean other
than like if if he comes back with like it
could Mike Chirard, we're going to be in big trouble.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, that's what happens with something like this.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Sometimes you come out of it looking fantastic and other
times not necessarily the case. Well, all right, mcconacky's got
to be two.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Look at that. You guys left number one for Plexico Burris.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Nothing wrong with that, correct, I have no problem with that. Actually,
see I had a feeling that there was somebody he
was holding on to. And say all you want about
the off the field stuff, Burris left quite the mark
in terms of his on field presence and you're talking
about length and Eagles defensive backs being impossible to slow

(08:35):
him down. I have no problem with After all this
has said and done, and you look through. If I
knew all five names, how about this, I still think
I'd go Plexico number one. If you knew all five
with those five, I'd still go Plexico absolute number one.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
So yeah, you guys did that pretty well.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Plexico Burrows had probably, let's put it this way, no
one had more of an impact why receiver than Burris
on Giant's history over his three and a half seasons
when he was in the lineup for.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
This team as a starter.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
And I'm talking about Homer Jones, Aaron Thomas, del Shoffner,
you know, to go back to some of the old
guys and then recently Cruz tumor Nicks, you know, a Beckham,
some great receivers. But you could argue that Burris would
not take a backseat to any of them for that
three and a half year stretch.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
And if you do want to take it the consideration,
because I know you did that with Shephard about being
on a playoff team, I mean, mconkie does have hardware.
He does, so if you want to use that to
elevate him once again. I'm not saying that his numbers
are ten times better than anybody else behind him, but
you could say that's deserving of a bit of a boost.
So now that we have the five listed, basically, you

(09:52):
and I we agreed with Plexico and Phil one and two,
and I kill you three. The only difference was you
went Shepherd four. I went neighbors for it. That was
the difference. So all right, I think we survived. Are
we supposed to be Are we supposed to be opposites here?
Are we supposed to come to an what you can do? Whatever?
I thought we were supposed to come to a consensus. No,

(10:13):
we can have that. Yeah, you aparate lists? Go ahead
from all right? Okay, so that was wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yep. Now we got giants running backs?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Running backs. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
First one is five again? Correct? Correct?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
They all gotcha?

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Joe Morris, I'll go Joe Morris three.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
He's thinking listeners, Well, because we the Giants have had
almost a dozen thousand yard rushers in their history. Uh,
and only a few of them have been multiple thousand
yard rushers, including Joe. Now Joe only has one ring
though that kind of changes things because Jacobs has two

(10:58):
when Bradshaw has two, So you know you would want
to put those guys probably ahead of him if.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
He has three one thousand yard seasons. So yeah, oh,
I know, I know, but only one ring. Sure, it's
not too shabby. No, I get it, I get it
him everyone and that the audacity.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
And then you know, where do you put Rodney Hampton?
Where do you put Ticky Barber?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Don't you think that was going through my mind too?
There is a good way to go because it's in
the middle. See Joe Morris is four for me?

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Okay, wow, okay, you guys, good on the next one.
Let's do Tiki Barber.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, as Paul predicted, the floor is yours. My friend.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Ticky Barber's a borderline Hall of Famer. I think there's
arguments four and against him. I think he's right there
on the cusp. I don't think there's another running back
who who has that kind of resume for the Giants,
so he's got to be number one.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Wow. Well, you know the one thing that I didn't
hear you throw out was what's not around his finger?
Though I know Joe has one?

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, well, so take he did go to a Super
Bowl and had a three year run that was as
productive as any running back in NFL history. Him and
Marshall Falk had two of the best three year runs
the league has ever seen.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well, and of course you know Tiki, which is what
I think you were touching on the receiving skills, without questions,
that's parting him in pretty much a unique category.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
We talked about Barkley potentially one day breaking his records
to be the all time great giant. Well, Tiki's the
guy until somebody passes him.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
That's easy. That's an easy one. And I also throw
out the durability I think helps his cause too. Yeah,
I'm gonna go to though for Tiki. I'm not gonna
go as high as Paul. I'm gonna go too for
bark But he's the greatest running back in team history.
How could anybody be ahead of them? Well, but you know,
other guys have rings and what they bring to the table.

(12:57):
I think you can make an argument to put some
body ahead based on of course, whoever Jarney Mack knocked
some sense into him. Please come down the road here,
Come on, all right, I mean two is not terrible.
I didn't put him five.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Okay, okay, who's next, Orleans Dark One.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
See this is why we leave flexibility because I know
Pierson could also go in the opposite direction. And no
disrespect to Orleans Dark One were big Orleans DARKA fans
on this program. We don't want anybody who's viewing or listening.
He was a really good guy. He did. He was
one of those underrated backs, I would say. Now with

(13:33):
that being said, he's five.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
He is five, correct, Yes, so sorry, I'm just looking
up some of his stats now.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Well I'll have it. I mean, I it was only
with the Giants for like three years, right, it was.
It was with them from fourteen to seventeen. That's it.
You know, it was not a long period of time.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
And it's true.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
You know he didn't even get.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
A he had a care seven and fifty yards and
twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, that was the year he started eleven games, the
only year where he was the primary starter. Yeah. But
he made the most of his opportunity. He's got season. Yeah,
he's a good player, all right. I mean put up
nearly four and a half yards per carriage. Yeah, he
was gwen given quality NFL player, A bigger workload.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, and Brandon Jacobs is the fourth a.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Another name you anticipated. Wow. Absolutely one of my guys too,
one of my all time favorites. Ah, I'm gonna say,
uh wow.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
You know he has scored the most rushing touchdowns in
team history. Just f yi, I butt you to know that.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
No, I did not know that. I will admit I
didn't know that. But I'm just surprised that you're complementing
other backs not named Tiki Barber noticing super Bowl rings. Okay,
so he has.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Two super Bowl rings, he has the all time touchdown
rushing touchdown mark.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I'm waiting for you to add a little bit more
to his resumes.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
And and he despises the Dallas Cowboys, well, I would
say probably a a lot of those guys on that line,
nobody despises them as much as Brandon Jacobs does.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
And also he doesn't have the numbers that he Jacobs
is a really good receiver for his skill set, I
would argue for the way he was built, I don't
think he gets enough credit. Members I agree with that
reception against the Cowboys. I agree with that. I do
think he was underrated in that regard.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
But when you talk about giants running backs catching the football,
he would not be one of the leaders.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
No I'm not, but I just I think that's one
facet that not enough people bring up when describing his game.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Is what I'm saying, all right, I got no problem
putting branded Jacobs number two.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I don't have a problem doing that.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
I think there are other guys who probably, in fact,
for example, Rodney Hampton is really the guy who should
be number two. He really should be. Or Gifford should
be number two, but I don't know if He's gonna
have him on the list. So I'm gonna put Jacobs
into well.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
And I'm thinking the same way the fact that Orleans
Darko was thrown out in this exercise. I know Pearson's thinking,
I'm gonna go Jacob's one, because I think the more
and more you talk to about him, you sold me
not risking putting him four. I'm gonna go Brandon Jacobs
with two rings on top of the old time touchdowns,
the physicality, the toughness, you could argue was the heart

(16:12):
and soul of some of the teams that he was on.
Without more his emotions on his sleep, I think you
can make a very good argument for Brandon Jacobs one
and I'm.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
There, all right, So what spots do you have open?
I have four and he has three, so you can
slot in Henry Heinowsky in those spots.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
You see, This is why I know how fierce it goes.
And I'm even more. He was a full back.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
He was going to bring up a technicality he doesn't
count well, but he's a back.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
That's on me. You come on, he's got one of
one of the great celebrations.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
But I love Henri but he was a full back.
I get that, but it's not as fallbacks can't run.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Hynosky touched the football once in a Blue movie, so
he was.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
I'm sorry, but I'm very technical about these things, and
that's a different position.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Fooled me on that. Yeah, he's a fullback. Twelve carries
in his career, right. The cutoff for this exercise was eleven. Okay,
based on Pearson went to the very high authorities. Okay,
and eleven they said, as long as somebody has twelve
career carries, they could be considered a best. See.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, the one key to this whole thing is that
if he's going to throw in uh, you know, the
curveball or the the whammy if you will. Sure I
know more whammies than anybody because my memory bank goes
back to nineteen fifty six. So I know a bunch
of whammies that he could throw in there, and I
know he can't do it because he does he's.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Not old enough.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, but in fairness, he did make it clear. I
don't know if you said this on the show. He
said there were two guys yea, yeah, so he wasn't
gonna go too far back. So I was thinking about that.
So the fact that he wasn't gonna go because you
threw out Frank Gifford, I didn't think he was gonna
throw out Frank Gifford based on Oh so that's what
you gotta go through the thought process. It's a big

(18:03):
part of this game. So okay, So now that we review,
I don't want to went to his mind. He's a
Boston Celtics. Well, I mean that to be as a
relevant based on this exercise. It's not as if a
ranking New England Patriots all times players. But as we
get back to the top of a hand, yes, we'll
save that for another show. That okay, So mine was Brandon, Jacobs,

(18:28):
Teaky Barber, Joe Morris, Henry Heinosky and Orleans darkwa Now
you had Tiki one, you had Jacob's two, if I'm correct,
right then you went I thought you went Morris four,
did you? And Dark was five? Okay? Yes, So once
again I would say, I'm sure you're content with Tiaki

(18:50):
looking back with all five? Would you say if you
knew all five, you'd still go with Tiki?

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
And I and I don't have a problem with Jacob's
being too either, So I would say for the second time, no,
because that, to me is what's most meaningful about this.
It's when you look back at all five names. Do
you still feel good about number one? I mean, we
could sit until we're blue.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
In the phase two about rearrange, I think you want.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
To feel good about who you chose one. Would you
do it again? That's why I'm always going to ask
that question. One disease? Do we get done? And I
would say, Pierre said, the two of us are our
content wide receivers in running backs.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Okay, all right?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Number three?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Next one is giants seasons.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Seasons, okay, not individuals like years. Basically Okay, now, the
rule of thumb still holds true that you're not going
to go beyond I won't go before the eighties, okay,
just so that we can fully understand.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Okay, all right, twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
So if you wanted to go into the nineteen twenties
or whatever, I have no problem.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
The Roaring twenties were big for Paul.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
You just ask them, yes, go ahead, twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Season twenty twenty two, you said, twenty twenty two, Yep, okay,
twenty twenty two. In fairness, I'm gonna cheat a little
at least review, just so that I could see dude, No, no,
I'm well aware of what happened. I'm just saying I
want to visually. I just want to see things. I'm

(20:14):
not because I have no idea what other years he's
gonna throw out. Twenty twenty two, nine to seven and one.
As you mentioned, a lot of close games. Did win
a playoff game. My rule of thumb is, don't get
too high, don't get too low. Twenty twenty two. I'm
gonna go number three. I got four, okay, okay. Nineteen
eighty six. You don't have to. That's pretty easy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Do you remember what happened at Year Pool?

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:40):
I do, I do.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Uh, that has to be again, this is like the
Tiki Barber question. That's an automatic number one. It's the
team's first ever Super Bowl. Can you can't change or
diminish the first ever well first ever Super Bowl sims
greatest performance in postseason history by a quarterback against Denver. Yeah,

(21:05):
there's no, there's there's there is no, there is no debate.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
What you were just reminiscing about the two wins over
the Patriots. What happens if seven and eleven are included,
specifically seven, when they knocked off a team that was
in position to make history. You're gonna tell me that's
not more notable. You'd still put that too, even after
eighty six, two and ninety with the Bulls, with the

(21:30):
Bills wide kick.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
I'll do, dude, Dude, if you were alive longer I
was alive, I was on this earth.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
No, But if you were like really old like me, okay,
and you understood the Yell Bowl years and the Shea
Stadium year and and and and some of.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
The horror, horrible times from the black hole of the
mid to late sixties, If you understood all of that,
you would understand that nineteen eighty six is irreplaceable.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
No, And I think though there is a very strong
case to be made for seven. Though I agree anyone
who wants to go down that and I would have
who even lived through the Yale Bowl, I would have
no problem making that number two.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
In fact, it's a close number two. But Super Bowl
twenty one there's nothing that could ever replace that. And
for those of you who are young and were not
alive to see it, I'm sorry, Please get yourself a
copy of it on one chest and understand what that
day meant to this franchise.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
With that being said, I will go for nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Heard, okay, all right? All right?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
So I got to Paul has won Brady six.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Next, the next one is two thousand and eight.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Okay, A season two thousand and eight, which was a
great regular season. I mean, I remember the game that
stands out to me is the Carolina game where you
had what those three were unning backstad against the Panthers
with over two hundred rushing yards. But the fact that
there's no hardware attached and it ended in disappointment. I'm

(23:08):
gonna go I'll go four for two thousand and eight.
It's gotta be five for me. Now, you know what
he could throw he threw out or leads. Here's the problem.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
You never know he could very easily throw out nineteen
eighty three, which was my first year covering the team
and parcels.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
You know, we won three games that year. It was brutal.
How was that number one? Though? No, but that's the problem. No,
because you arrived on the scene. No what I'm saying. No,
But yeah, that's a good point. See, how do you
put how do you not put? That's a good point
that you're right, look at this.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
But what's gonna happen is if he throws out nineteen
eighty three, it's gonna have to be now two or
three for me, and that's just disgusting.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Well, listen, you left the door open for Henry Heinosky.
You could do it for eighty three. Okay, you guys, good, Yes,
let's do you put five?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
I put forth from okay two thousand.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Okay, Hey, they made a Super Bowl, so it's not
as if that season gets downgraded.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Greatest NFC Championship game ROMP in the history of the
NFL forty one to nothing against Minnesota. Carrie Collins broke
three NFC Championship game passing records that day.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
He was sensational.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Oh boy, that's the greatest victory probably in Giants Stadium,
in the old building before.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
In terms of margin a victory, yeah, most important too.
I mean, although I guess, yeah, let's go back to
the eighty.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Six championship game against Washington. But that was expected. I
always thought they would beat Washington in that game.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
That was to me, that was a no brainer.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
But the game against Minnesota, everybody had the Giants a
heavy underdog against that Vikings team, and I was for
sure that the Giants.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Would beat them, and they crushed them forty one to nothing.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Man Culpepper and that and that offense. Wow, wow, think
about those guys Carter and Read and Smith in the
backfield and Culpepper fire fire of the football.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Wow, that was unbelievable. All right, Uh, I'll go three.
I can't put it at two, but I'll go three,
going back and forth, because see, something tells me he
may not even have seven and eleven in the mix.
Why do you think I saved the second spot?

Speaker 3 (25:30):
So that's why only one more?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I know there's only one more, and if I put
my options are one in five. They made the super Bowl.
As you mentioned, you know, the expectations weren't through the
roof seven and nine to a thirteen win team ran
into a buzzsaw in Baltimore. They that shouldn't take away
from the dominant run through the NFC playoffs. If I
knew all five, I don't know if i'd put this one.

(25:54):
I'm gonna go one for two thousand. That's what I'm
gonna go with, because I think when you take it
to consideration, there's a lot of attractive items there. Even
though they did not wind up winning the ultimate.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Problem, I still look at that. You know, it's one
of their five Super Bowl trips. So many people poo
poo it because of the way it ended against Baltimore. Yeah,
I think that's foolish. Honestly that team. Nobody picked that
team to go as far as they did, and Carrie
was sensational. I mean, you know there was Ron Daye
and Tiki Barbera and Stray was on that team and

(26:28):
you know Na well, not to get.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Off topic, that was a heck of a season, without
a doubt. The other thing that I was going to
add is and I know this is not necessarily maybe
something that we need to take the consideration, but Kerry Collins,
to me is the most notable free agent signing in
Giant's history. And I have said this on multiple topics
and multiple occasions because the fact that they got him
to help build the bridge and what he provided bang

(26:52):
for the buck. I will still stand by that argument. Yeah,
so that's more of a reason why I'd elevate the
two thousand season.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
He's certainly one of the top ones. But you know,
Kareem McKenzie, Antonio Pierce, Plexical Burists, those guys are.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Very very high on that list.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Listen, Kerry getting into a Super Bowl though, I know
that helped his cause.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Immnslow Koree won two Super Bowl rings with this team
as a franchise, right down.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
No, without a doubt. But once again, quarterback is my
top position. So all right, number five, which whether or
not will be disappointed or elated. This this is where truth.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
This is where he zaps in one of those really
bad stinker rouses. Well, that's what I'm thinking, That's what's
gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, two thousand and seven, Ah, Paul's list is nice,
Lance put it in that five.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yet, Wow, not only is my list nice, it's perfect, perfect,
It's exactly it's one of five, exactly as it would
have gone if you would give me those five.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
That's exactly how I would have had it. Well, so
read off, what did you go? Nineteen eighty, two thousand
and seven, two thousand, twenty, twenty two, and two thousand
and eight. That's exactly as I would have had it
if you were given it to me, I would have
went oh seven to one. I would have went eighty
six to two. I would have went two thousand and three,

(28:15):
and then I would have gone twenty two and oh eight.
That would have been my order if I would have
known all five. I remember I was talking about oh seven.
I just was thinking that he's gonna throw us a
curve on.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
That's why just a game.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Season just I know they made the playoffs, but it
was one and done, and you know, the Plexico incident.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Just it just leaves such a bad taste in my well.
In twenty two they won a playoff game. It's hard
to how do you downgrade that and put eight ahead
of twenty. Well, that's why I'm I'm with you. That's
why that order wouldn't have changed. My five is regardless.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, go ahead, Next categories quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Okay, so you get into my head on that last
one happened? Don't you like swimming around in that?

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Oh no, no, no, it's too many. Next things, Okay, quarterbacks.
Wye Tittle is the first one.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, see you did go to an old timer.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Oh wow, Well this is your turn to go first. Well,
I'll allow you. You're that excited. I don't want to
deprive you.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
See, contrary to popular belief, I never saw Tittle play
in person or on television. I've only seen film. Contrary
to popular.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Belief, I love it. How you preface Well, I've interviewed.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Him, I've met him many times. It was it was incredible.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I mean, if only he enjoyed it just as much. Yes,
go ahead, folks.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
One day I actually had the opportunity to sit at
a lunch table with Wye Tittle and Charlie Connerley, the
three of us together.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
How about that? And what was on the menu? Do
you remember? I don't said it was a lunch table.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yeah, but I don't remember, well, I don't remember the
food you have to There was probably a piece of steak.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I don't remember what the food was. I just remember
sitting with.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Those two guys and it was one of the most
incredible experiences of my life.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
And they rank it just as accordingly. I'm sure they don't.
With that being said, why a tittle.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yes, I'm gonna go, oh, you're killing me, because if
if if you have Sims and Elie on this list,
and I wind up putting tittle spot. Oh man, I'm

(30:41):
going to suggest that you don't have both fill and
e Lie on the list, because if you do, they've
got to be one and two. So I'm gonna say
Tittle goes to because you don't have both Phill and
Elie on the list. So I'm gonna go tittle too.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Well.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
My philosophy has been give my self room and flexibility.
I'll go three for ya Tittle. And clearly I was
not around to see him and interact with him, but.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
I will just remember when one or two was the
only slot you have left and he calls out, Joe Pizarchik,
You're gonna look really bad.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Hey, listen, it didn't backfire on me the last few times,
all right, Okay, so I'm still happy, but I will
say this, y A. Tittle is involved in one of
the most iconic images in really football without question. Okay,
when he's down on his knees sixty four and.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
In pitchprill, bloody, bloody head, blooded it all out on
the bloody head.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, I mean I actually have that blown up image.
That's I was given that as a gift. I'm impressed. No,
without a doubt. My I have a family member that
gave me that as a gift several years back.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
That is what I think.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I think.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Not only is it in the Hall of Fame, I
think it was voted one of the top ten images
of all time.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Well that's why I said, without a doubt, So that's
what I think. Synonymous with y A Tittle and I
think toughness and just leaving it all out on the line. Yes,
that's a shame that I would read you a defeated
season because that that was his last year. It was
just miserable. But it says a lot still about But
it does, it does does? Yeah? All right, so you
got Tittle a two. I've got him at three. Next.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Okay, Kerry Collins.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Oh you know, I think very highly of Carrie. Why,
based on what I had thrown out, I think he's
very much underrated during his time here to it turn
to go first. See, now you're anticipating that he's going
to have both Eli and Philson.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
No, I'm anticipating he's only going to have one of them.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
He's only going to have one. And that's why number two.
And I'm going to anticipate that he's only going to
have one of the two. So that's why I am
more than comfortable putting Carrie number two on my list.
He got the team to a super Bowl. I think
he's the most valuable free agent signing in Giant's history. Yes,
I will stand behind that. Kerry Collins number two.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Collins has to be three for me because he can't
be ahead of Tittle.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
That that's impossible.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
So I love Garing flip flop, but he cannot be
ahead of Wya Tittle. Okay, and you do you do
know what YA stands for?

Speaker 2 (33:13):
You right? No, Well you're gonna tell me Abraham, Okay, just.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
So you know, I will store that away. In the
media of New York in those days used to call
him yacht for sure that I get.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, that acronym, I understand. Sure. Did they call him
by his full they would only they would only call
him it was yat or wyah wyatt. That's what people
called him. Makes sense. I I called him mister Tittle
when I met him.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
All right, guys, so all right, we'll go Phil Simms.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Well there's one of the two. I knew that was
gonna be on the last. But here's the thing. Even
if you put Phil one, I don't think. Yeah, I mean,
if Eli winds up being in this, it's not gonna
come out pretty. But I'm willing. I'm gonna jump ahead.
I'm gonna go fill one. I'm not risking this. Phil's
got his place in Giant, his films. One for me too,

(34:09):
No problem, I'm going to phill. Now, if Eli once
again is on this list, yes I would have wound
up putting him higher. But I've got Phil Kerry and
Ya Tittle. That's not a bad list.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
And if Eli turns up on this list and I
have to put him four, well Carry's three.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
That's not horrible.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Sure, I mean, he belongs ahead of Carry, But if
he's behind Phil Simms and Ya Tittle, that's not exactly
a crime.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Okay, so we're both pretty much think of the same way.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Okay, next up is Jeff Hostetler.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Ah, listen, Jeff, a very valuable depth chart you have.
You haven't put one of the lesser guys in this rest.
I know I'm waiting for like his Orleans Darkwall of quarterbacks,
like there's gotta be one of How how that hasn't
come yet makes me feel that that is due. I mean,

(35:01):
there are so many good ones that Pierced could turn to.
So well, he's got he's got to have. He's got
to have a whammy in here. He's got That's what
I'm thinking. He's got to have a whammy.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
So the fact, you know, and I liked hass Os
is a really good guy, and obviously what he did
at the end of the ninety season cannot be ignored.
So I've got I've got no problem putting has at four.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
And I'm gonna go the same way. I only have
four and five to choose between. I got five. I mean,
the guy helped the team win a Super Bowl and
came in when Sims was injured. I mean, how do
you not value him from that standpoint? And that alone
belongs out of the five spot.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
And I know he's not going back to Connolly, you know,
because Connley would have to be ahead. But he's not
going back to Connolly. That's too far. So who else
could he possibly have on the list? It would be
ahead Hosteedler from from recent vintage. He's got nobody.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
All right, here we go, because he's not putting well,
he did the two thousand on his list. There's no way, John,
He's not gonna have Phil and Eli on the list.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
He's not. Okay, here we go. Fran Tarkenton, Okay, Paul,
you got them five? Wow.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Well, here's the thing. Here's mobility. Here's the thing. Here here,
here's the only reason. And I'm a big Tarkenton guy.
You guys know that one of one of When I
was growing up, he was one of my.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Handful of favorite players. But here's the thing, Sims Tittle
Collins has all of them went to the postseason as Giants. Okay,
all of them went to an NFL Championship.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Game or Super Bowl as Giants.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Tittling Collins didn't win one, but at least they got there.
Fran tarkenton't even despite his Pro Bowl seasons with the Giants,
with some really rough teams. Never got the Giants to
a playoff, and there were four of them, four prolo okay,
So to be friends, out of five seasons he was
with US, yep okay.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
So, to be frank with you, the fact that I
have to put him at five.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Isn't exactly a crime either. Now again, based on his
full career and his four Pro bowls with the team,
it's it's a low ranking. He certainly would belong ahead
of Hostedler, but the fact that he was never able,
despite the fact.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
That it wasn't really his fault.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
I mean, he had a nine and five season in
nineteen seventy and if they did lose to the Rams
at Yankee Stadium thirty one three in the season finale,
if they had won that game, they would have been
a wildcard.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Team, but the Rams trounced them. Roland Olsen company. You know,
I really gave it to him.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
So I'm not crushed by putting Fran five there.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
That's not horrible neither am I. I would also say,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
When you look at his career and I didn't give
you a wai.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, I was anticipating the ladder of the two. So
my list is pretty good. Yeah, I feel good about
my list as well. I'm not upset with my list.
I've got Phil Kerry, yay, Jeff and Tarkenton. Yeah. From
one to five, I got tittle ahead of Collins, which
again I think is a no brainer. But that's good. Well,
just the one thing I was going to add was

(38:17):
with Tarkentin. Now, Kerry didn't have a very long tenure
with the Giants, but you know, targetin Vikings is also
a big part of his career, but that doesn't count
for them. So but the reason I'm bringing it up
is you're only looking at the giants tenure, right, so
when you look at it through that narrow lens, and
Kerry helped them get to a super Bowl. Like you said,
this isn't that bad. I would even if I knew

(38:39):
all five, I'd still put Tarkentin number five. I don't
think honestly, the more and more I look over this list,
I'm not making any changes because you value you know,
Frank's got sentimental value to you. You know, Kerry holds
a very special place for what he did within Giants' history.

(38:59):
So I will feel good about the order, and so far,
I would say the schedule. The season one is the
only one that maybe came back to bite me a
little bit. Other than that, I think I have played
quite effectively.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
I'm just glad you didn't put Eli in the list
because I would.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Have been burned. All nailed it with. I'm not going
to put both of them. I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
I couldn't see you doing.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
All right, So I do have three more categories pretty quick?
I know, all right, this one is interesting. It's Giants places.
The Giants have played, Giants stadiums their home.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Okay, yes, you're serious. I didn't think this is going
to make one. Yes, let's do this one quickly.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Shae Stadium is the first one. Hmm. I mean you
pretty much know all of them?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, I do. I do know all of them, so
I don't I mean.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Just put them in your order then, Paul.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Well, it's Polo Grounds, it's Yankee Stadium, it's a Yale Bowl,
it's Shay, It's Giants, and.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
It's met Life. There are six yep, well he clearly so,
so one of them you left off your list.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well, I'll start it off. I'm gonna go five for
Shay Stadium. Let's do It's also not a stadium to
me that is synonymous with the Giants. Yeah, from a
long historical stamp.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Let me just tell you, Yelo Bowl would would definitely
be worse than Shay if I if I had all
six at my disposal, yell Ball would be at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
That's the toilet bowl. That's that's the sort.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Well.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
The only thing I will say is, given my IVY
League ties, I boost that place up slightly because of
the history surround. All right, say stadium is five for me?

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Okay, Yankee Stadium.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I'll go Yankee Stadium three. I certainly put it ahead
of Shay two.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Okay, Giant Stadium one, I'll.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Go one as well. It's hard to go against the
stadium that has its name on it, regardless of what
you think about the layout of the land and also
well the history of what happened in that building the
parcels teams, no, of.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Course on sure, Yeah, Okay, Polo Grounds, I'll go Polo.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Grounds number two, three, and the last one, Yowl. Okay,
what do you have, Yeo Bowl? What's left for you?
Yo Bowls? It's gotta be four for me, okay, So
it's four for the both of us, four.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
For Yeo Bowl and five for Shay. I Ah, part
of me says you would I would want to have
flipped that. But you make a very interesting point. Most
people don't even associate Shay with the Giants. They do
associate Yeo Bowl with the Giants. A lot of people
who know they played at Yeo Bowl for yet they

(42:00):
even played nineteen seventy five at Shay.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Well, because people forget that, well, because I think with Shay,
you think more of Mets and Jets. Right, those are
the two New York teams if you were to throw
out Shay Stadium, those are the first two teams that
would come to me in a place that was appropriately
built in Flushing. Yeah, so that's more of a reason
why you easily put that five.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
So all right, all right, good lists. Yep. This one
is Giants wins individual game.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Oh that is this is impossible.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yep, there's a million.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
This is impossible individual meaning win totals from a season.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Nope, just a game a game, Giants games, Giants games.
But they're always I probably.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Have a fifty favorite Giants wins. Sure during my tenure here,
the struggling this is impossible.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Well, we're gonna try it.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Well, we're going to accomplish the impossible.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Actually, but you've already narrowed it down by saying only wins.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Well, that in itself is good because you're not going to.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Sneak in a wami wins.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, they're away. That's good. Here's my found that you
can't go wrong no matter what it is. You can't
be well. But are you doing mixing regular season end playoffs?

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Okay, No, that's important to note. But you can't be
wrong because every Giants win is a great day. Okay,
but they're from a significant standpoint. There's a distinct difference
between winning this I understand, winning game fifth the regular season.
I understand. I have a million participation trophies to hand
out to you. Go ahead, Ran Pearson.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
One number one is the Giants verse Packers two thousand
and seven NFC Championship.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Okay, well, that was certainly an epic game that had
Paul's emotions riding all over the place. I'll go see
because see, the big question is how many Super Bowls
is Pearson going to include in this? And much like
you said, he didn't include Elion.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Phil's at most, I would say two is going to
be the max.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
He won't do more than one. There's four of them.
He's not gonna more than one. It's crazy. So if
that's the case, and I'm here, I'm actually going to
be influenced by you, I'll go Giants win over the
Packers two thousand and seven, How it ended up Tom
Coughlin's red cheeks, How bitter cold it was.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I'll go two for this one, Okay, I'll take three,
all right, Giants verse Bill's super Bowl in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
All right, so there's one super Bowl. We got that
one off the list. So then we're assuming that he's
not even touching the Patriots, which actually I can understand
him not wanting to touch the Patriots. Well, it brings
him too much pain. All right, So Giants, Bill's what
do you got? Are you going to go with your
feeling that he's not going to include any other super Bowls?

(44:47):
You can't now backpedal. That's what you said. You said
he's only going to do one super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Did say that?

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Okay? So then this to me is easy for you.
Absolutely are putting this number one? How do you I'll
putting in at two? Okay? As you put Giants Packers three.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
I put Giants Packers three. I'm right, Giants Buffalo super
Bowl twenty.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Five at two. See, I have cornered myself here because
I have been on the record that the highest, biggest
stage is there's nothing ranking wise. Winning a championship is
the pinnacle. You can't put another victory over that. So
if I downgrade the Super Bowl victory and he doesn't

(45:28):
throw out another super Bowl, that's pie in my face.
So to protect myself, Giants Bills ninety is number one. Okay, okay,
that's the rationale behind it.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Giants Vikings twenty twenty two wild card game.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
That was really fun, really fun. The fun rankings versus
the win rankings, I know.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Just to clarify, well, because in terms of significance it
doesn't there were so many significant wins by this franchise.
And it's completely with you that I've often told people
here that from a working perspective, being that you know,
I work on on the broadcast team, that was the

(46:16):
most fun, post non Super Bowl drive, postseason win that
I've experienced because nobody, nobody ever thought that that team
would be a playoff team and they'd go on the
road and beat the number two seed on their field,
man being on being being on the sideline that day,

(46:39):
doing that, covering that game on the side from the
sideline was absolutely incredible. The white out that they had
in the Vikings, Yeah, so cool. And they got the
horn going, you know before every game.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Oh yeah, now that you've built it up, it's five.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
That's what I love.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
He sold that, guys as if that was the creb
de la crev Yes, and then just oh, because there's
there's you know, okay, well I'm going five. You don't
have to tell me because I have agreement. There are
so many other notable victories. I'm not gonna now put this.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
One full handful of Super Bowl seasons, a full handful.
So like, if he picks one of the nine or
playoff games, that's not gonna you know, it's not gonna
be behind this one.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Well, there's one Niners playoff game that he's not gonna pick.
I'll tell you that. So because they're all wins. But
that's a whole other story.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
All right, all right, guys, Giants Spikings forty one zero
two thousand NFC champions.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Now the second Giants Vikings game that he picks, I'll
go for this one. I'm gonna go four. That's four.
I'm gonna protect myself because I still have three opened.
And we talked about this game earlier. Yes, how dominant
it was margin a victory four, So we don't need
to revisit that.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
I agree. You guys both have it at for. Both
have it a for all Right. The final one is
Giants first Niners, NFC Championship twenty eleven, twenty to seventeen.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Okay, and that'll be three for me, and that's my one.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
That's your one, see over the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
This one I will not sit well with in terms
of allowing you off the hook. You cannot put Okay
in NFC Championship victory ahead of a super Bowl under
any circumstances. And you had the opportunity because you said
he wasn't going to pick more and you went against
that and still downgraded. So I'm gonna criticize here. And

(48:32):
I know there's no right or wrong answers, but this
one I'm gonna get on here.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Here's where you were wrong.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Here's where I will defend myself. Okay, Okay, Here's where
I will defend myself from a personal perspective. I was
talking to Peter Jinta, the Giants secondary coach, when when
the Giants were out to San Francisco during the regular
season that year. I'm talking to Peter gint down the
sideline before the game, and I said to him, I
don't know what's gonna happen today, but you know this

(48:57):
team is coming back here for the f C Championship
game in a couple of months. You know that, right,
And he goes, you think so, and I said, mark
my words, the Giants are coming back here for the
NFC Championship game. And regardless of what happens today, that's
the game that matters. And not only did that happen,
but then it happened in a freaking pig style of

(49:21):
a slop of Candlestick Park, and I have so much
personal enjoyment out of that game.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
So once again, it's sentimental value that you're bringing in.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Well the story.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
My suit, as you know, I wear, I wear a
suit when I'm on when I'm with the team on
the road to do the postgame show, I'm on the
sideline in San Francisco. The mud was so bad that
my suit pants were covered in mud all the way
up to my knees.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
You didn't. It looked like I had run into Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
I was so full of them up.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Well, I'm surprised you didn't roll them up. So you
know now it was incredible? Do you still that was incredible?
Did you take it to the dry cleaner or did
you leave it money? I came home and my wife
was a ball. She goes, what what?

Speaker 6 (50:09):
What?

Speaker 4 (50:09):
What did you do?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
And I said, I was on the field. I could
see you though, taking the suit, framing it and then
writing down the quote that you told the Giants coach
after that game.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
I'm on the field right, go on the field after
times HiT's the winning field goal, and I get Brandon
Jacobs as one of the guys.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Of course, he bursts into tears. He starts crying. That
was because you were the first person he saw, no
do no doubt. Oh my god, these guys could say
that there there are sky high they're going to Super Bowl.
The first guy he sees is Pauled the team yes,
but go ahead, No but and he and he just
starts and he just starts crying. It was awesome.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
It was totally awesome. And and and the reason was
because he wanted to go get his other son. He
had had a super Bowl championship with the with the
Giant Fire.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
This was the second one, so we could get his
other son. The super Bowl ring makes sense.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
And of course he knew, as we all did, that
they were going to go on and win. There was
never a doubt in my mind they'd beat New England.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
That wasn't even is there still one more? The finish
up here with one.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Best Celebrations.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Oh, he's gonna hate this category. I can tell you.
I don't know this. Actually this goes below stadiums for Paul.
There's no way you're gonna like your anti celebration this
well meaning players that I'm assuming are synonymous with specific celebrations, right,
whether it's.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
A sack, it can be that specific celebration.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Well, we're talking about the parade.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
No no, no, no, no. This is right after a play, right,
this is this is right after the plays?

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Oh okay, all right, so it's a play celebration. Yes,
well they're all five. Okay, you guys know I'm not
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
In favor of though. I just I can't get over
he just goes parades. Yeah, yeah, the confetti for this
one was just it was me unlike anywhere else that
I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Let just make this easy, right, celebration cruises number one
and the rest of them are all five.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Just make it easy.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Homer Jones invents the spike.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Oh sing school, So you did go back to the
olden day?

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Told you there were a couple I like his thinking.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
You know what? Wow.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
In deference to Homer, I don't have a problem making
that number one.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
How can you not? I don't have a problem with this.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Everybody does so correct.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
He set the standard. Homer just got a number one one,
Homer Jones. No matter what you think of Victor kruzis salsa.
Come on, I'm with but but but Jones has Victor cruizes.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Salsa was part of a super Bowl, and the course
Homer was playing on some bad teams.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
But I'm going with Homer. Everybody else followed through. If
Homer doesn't do that, who's to say we ever have this?

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Fine?

Speaker 2 (52:58):
You're right, You're right, Homers number one man. Maybe Rob
Gronkowski was the one that would have all of a
sudden brought along the spike, just bringing in the New
England Ties to make sure everybody satisfied.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Go ahead, Yes, Justin Tuck sack bowing in the Super
Bowl after sacking Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
So is it is it specifically on that play or
is it just that he did that after every sack?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
You could take it either way. Yeah, I chose. I
chose specific plays to make it easier.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
I'm gonna go Justin Tuck. I'll go three five. I mean, listen,
he made significant impacts. He did multiple Super Bowls. So
and we're talking about game changing. You know how I
feel about celebration. So I'm going That's why I told
you you'd love this exercise.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
All right, I'll go three Cruz salsa after the ninety
nine two.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
But he specifically wait for this one. Is it the
specific Jets game?

Speaker 3 (54:04):
You can take it either well, it can be generic
or I chose a play so that there was some
more significance.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
To remember, he broke it out in Philly.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
He broke it out in Philly. His first ever saw
so was in Philly in front of those people.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
That was with the right, Yes, yes, yes, I'm gonna
go Victor Cruz four.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Okay, and then Buris ot winner against the Eagles hucks
the ball into the stands, silencing the Eagles crowd.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Four, I'll go five for Burris.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Okay, So what is your open spots? I have two O,
three Okay. McConkie jumping into Bavaro's arms against the Broncos
after the tip touchdown.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Now you know what Paul thinks about that Bronco. I
went on and I knew you were saving. So I'm
perfectly okay with McConkie being number two, and I'm great
with it being three. Okay, So Homer, McConkie, Tuck, Cruise.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Burris for me, I got Jones, Cruise, McConkie, Burrison, Tuck,
Burison Tuck should be flipped.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
If I had my way, i'd flip those two. But
that's four and five. It's not very very relevant, No,
I think all in all, if I knew all five,
I would have stuck with that.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Okay, that's it, guys, Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Well it took us a while, it did, but we
had some good back and forth, yeah in between, So
all things considered.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Now, I might to think that some of the stories
and commentary were more entertaining than the votes.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
With that, well, listening to you at the lunch table
with anybody underneath the sun and conversations with Giants coaches,
your muddy suit, Brandon, Jacob's coming over to you on
the field. Have we missed anything We actually should have
ranked Pierson every story that Paul took and then recited that.

(56:01):
I mean, yes, absolutely. All right, Let's try to squeeze
in maybe a call or two here before we wrap
up shop, because I hope anybody we have. Yeah, we've
had a few people that have been waiting patient really
through all of the so get them in. I don't
want to throw them to the wayside. Let's try to
squeez him in here. All right, Let's go to Jacob
in Binghamton with us on Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's

(56:23):
happened to Jacob? What do you got for us?

Speaker 6 (56:25):
Hi? How are you guys doing right?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Him?

Speaker 6 (56:27):
Thank you for taking the call. I was sitting here
kind of thinking them like they might not get to me.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I'm glad you're held, and thank you for for being patient.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
Yeah, of course, two things quick. One was I talked
the other day about the Giants defense and how they
had to be like top fifteen at least. And one
thing I was really thinking about is just we've added
a lot of debt but it still scares me.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Our cornerback debt just kind of frightens me a little
bit if one of these guys goes down, Like if
we have the depth to kind of stick in with
a lot of these receivers, we're going to especially in division.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Well right now as it stands, And you know this,
I said it right after free agency and the kind
of wave was over. I said, if I could add
somebody else, I would try to get a veteran corner.
I would try to get an experienced veteran corner to
you know, be that Leon Hull, be that sense of ale,
be that that extra guy who's got experience, who's been

(57:27):
in this league and done some things, who could provide
some insurance. So I'm with you, I'd like to see
that right now. Your two primary backups I think at
the corner spot or Coreidel Flott, who I like a
lot but has had a lot of trouble staying healthy.
Last year was one of his better years, but he's
had trouble staying healthy. And Trey Hawkins. Can he make

(57:51):
a significant.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Jump to give you some confidence that he could play
in a big spot. I don't know the answer to that,
And They also have Corey Black, but he's a seventh
round pick from this year, and there's a lot that
even makes the team. I'm just saying other guys that
have at least recently come in through the draft. Yeah,
I mean, there's a little bit of the land of

(58:12):
the unknown. And even Hawkins has been a bit up
and down throughout his Giant's tenures. So I understand the concern.
I don't think it's crazy for them to entertain maybe
bringing in a veteran or claiming somebody off of waivers
once all of the initial wave of rosters are finalized.
They could very well do that. Somebody could wind up
becoming available that were not anticipating at this point.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
Well, we did try. I believe we tried to make
a trade for Alexander from green Bay right and now
he's available.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Well at one point, at one point that was reportedly
a conversation. I can't confirm that. Now. What is his
status right now, I don't know. I mean, Green Bay
and him obviously had an impass.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
In terms of his contract.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
He clearly wanted a better deal, and they decided, you
know what, rather than have this unhappy camper here, we're
going to try to move him, they couldn't get a bite,
and now they cut him.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
I don't know where he stands.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
What kind of money does he want? Does he even
want to come into a camp? Does he want to
wait until the very end of training camp and signed
with somebody. We have no idea what he's thinking.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
He also may be one of those players that waits
for a team to lose a guy due to injury,
and all of a sudden could come into a situation
that could very well be a lot more attractive. And
I would think with Alexander, even though most teams don't
have a boatload of money, money is part of that conversation,
because money contributed to why he did not stay put

(59:39):
with the Green Bay Packers, So I would take that
into consideration. And the Giants right now are not in
financial flexibility mode where they can all of a sudden
make a big splash addition like that, So that could
be a little bit tougher to pull off. Based on
what we're saying with respect to somebody else who's also
on the free agent market, or somebody that becomes available

(01:00:00):
through the waiver wine.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
I don't think any veteran who's sitting out there right
now on his sofa, is too anxious to sign with anybody.
I think they're more than likely going to wait and
see how things play out. And that goes for a
guy like as Sante Samuel, who's been often injured but
we know has ability, Stefan Gilmore, who, by the way,
with the Bills connection, you know, I'm sure they have
a lot of information on Stefan Gilmour because of the

(01:00:23):
time that he was in Buffalo. Remember that Big Bean
and Shane are as tight as can be, so I'm
sure that the Giants have great intel on Stefan Gilmore.
And again I know he's older, but he's also not
going to get very much money. Well, I'm trying to
just I just want to confirm and appreciate the phone call.

(01:00:45):
Thanks for giving us a ring.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Something tells me I thought Gilmour was there before that
tenure started, though, Paul, we were there before being because
Gilmour was there from twelve to sixteen. So they came
in in seventeen. Ah being think they crossed my apology. No, no,
that's fine. That's why I want to cover. I thought
that beat had him for a year where I thought
you were going to go is he was on the
Cowboys in twenty three. They saw him twice that I

(01:01:10):
think they have actually more recent examples of Gilmore than
going back in time with the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
So Gilmore and sim Well, sure you know it's not there,
Samuel and and obviously you mentioned Alexander. There are some
definite wrecking Well, Piller Fuller's out there too, isn't he.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Kendall Fuller, I'm pretty sure he's a free agent.

Speaker 6 (01:01:31):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Let me see which of the I mean, there are some.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
There are some names out there who have done some
things in this league. But sure it's not gonna be
hard to grab one off the scrap peep if you want,
if you want.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Well, here's the thing with these corners, Like I said,
a lot of them can get away with not being
in camp because they've been in the league quite some time.
And Kendall Fuller is available. He was with the Dolphins
last year, was a free agent. And then on top
of that, I also think they're in no rush because
they're in a active spot where they know guys are
gonna get hurt. Why jump the gun and sign with

(01:02:04):
a chill when all of a sudden something could come
to fruition that you did not anticipate. We've got Jason
in New Haven here, Jason, welcome aboard. What do you
got first?

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
Hey, Lance and Paul, how you guys doing all right?
I know where pressed against time, So I won't make
all the points I wanted to make. I'll just try
to condense it to one or two. Paul, going back
to the point you and Lance made earlier. I think
it was more of Paul, but it might have been
you two. How Tiki Barber is not in the Hall
of Fame to me, you know, I just me personally,

(01:02:35):
he is a Hall of Famer. I'm going to name
three guys that in the Hall of Fame that he
has more all purpose yards than you got Ony door
Set who's a Hall of Famer. You got Derman Thomas
who's a Hall of Famer. He got Terrell Owens who's
a Hall of Famer. I'm not saying he's a better
player than those three, but if we're going based off

(01:02:57):
of just raw stats, he deserves to be in a
Hall of Fame. So I just wanted to, you know,
throw that out there. I think he is a Hall
of Famer and I guess the way he went out
his last year with the Giants, maybe that's dinged them
along the way. But Bona fer Our stat's how he's
not in a Hall of Fame to me is a joke.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
So I would say this if you're looking for the
people who are anti Tiki, all right, and by the way,
I'm all about Tiki Barber, But if you're looking for
guys to ding his candidacy, they could ding him on
the following items. Number one is he was a part
time player the first half of his career. Remember he

(01:03:38):
was supposed to be a third down back and the
kick returner, and then Fossil made him a full time player,
So that would be number one. Number two, significant fumble.
Ittis problems early in his career until Tom Coughlin got
here and they fixed that. Him and Gerald Ingram, the
running backs coach, fixed that. That's another thing people will
ding him on. The third thing they'll ring him on

(01:03:59):
is he actually got to won Super Bowl, and boy
ray Lewis said them for lunch, that was not his
fault necessarily, but you know that wasn't that wasn't good
h he had. He had a real strong season that year.
It wasn't one of his best seasons. He had better
ones later on, but he had a really nice season
in two thousand and and Ray Lewis dominated that game,

(01:04:22):
and he attached himself to Ticky Barber. So though, that's
what they'll do, that's what the naysayers will do, That's
what they'll throw.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Up at you. I'm not saying that they're justified, but
those are their points.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Right that year, that Ravens defense, in my opinion, was
the best defense in NFL history. You could have put
Barry Sanders back here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
The only other thing, though Jason and I wouldn't overlook,
is if you look at Thurman, Thomas, and Tony Dorsett's resumes,
they have I think better individual accomplishments than Tiki Barber
in terms of All Pros, Pro Bowls. Thurman as an
MVP Offensive Player of the Year we're talking about. Tiki
doesn't have that on his resume. So that also hurts

(01:05:07):
had he played.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
One more season, because let's face it, we all know
he had another thousand yard season in him. There's no
doubt about that. No one's gonna convince me he wouldn't
have run for another twelve hundred yards. If he had
stuck around one more year, they could never have kept
him out. Seriously, if he went another thousand yard season,
there's nothing that anybody could have done to keep him
out of camp. But he retired a year too early.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
In my opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
I'll make one last point and I'll call back on
other points next week or the following whatever. My last point.
I know last week Jalen Hyatt came up, and maybe
it was early this week. I don't know if it
was Paul or John one of your gentlemen brought him
up as somebody that needs to prove Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, I think it was. I think we've asked on
this show.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Yeah, and that's not even a disagreeable take. But I
will say, you know, I called a few weeks ago
and stated that, you know, young players sometimes take different
routes to success, and while he hasn't showed anything, he
does have talent. He won the Blitant Call Award. If
I make this last point about him, fans, and I'm

(01:06:17):
not talking to YouTube gentlemen, I always preface that I
know you guys know your stuff, but for fans who
are always quick to jump on players, I'm going to
name two players and I and you got you maybe
you know during this exercise, which I enjoyed. While he
hasn't shown much in these two years, he's had some

(01:06:37):
flashes here and there, specifically that Arizona game two years ago,
his rookie year. Right, But I want to mention there
was two receivers you guys mentioned who took some time
one to three years and one to two years to
really pop, and they were taken higher than jail and higher. Now,
I'm not saying his career is going to be what
these guys were. Granted one was better than the other. Right,

(01:07:00):
but the name I kill your who was a top
ten pick I believe in ninety six.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Terribly injured throughout his entire career, though Ike Ike would
pound for pound was one of the toughest players that
I've ever known in my entire career. And I love
I Killyard very underrated player. But let me just tell
you Ike many days was practically Scotch taped together. He
was battered and beaten and broken, and he just kept

(01:07:27):
coming back for more and more and more. As good
as he was, and he was a really good player,
he would have been so much better had he not
been just broken and basically cracked like a pretzel, he
was badly beating his whole career.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Ike only played two games his rookie years, so you
can pretty much throw that to the wayside.

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Granted, Jalen is entering year three here, so you know
we're not necessarily miles away. But Hilliard's first season, I
don't even know if it's something to your team.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
My guess is Amani Toomer is the other guy you're
gonna throw out there. But remember Ramani shredded as he
shredded his ACL, you know, right away early in his
in his career, and he also wound up with a
second ACL later on in his career too.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Right, Absolutely, there's always there's always gonna be caveats to
these conversations. Right, those two definitely had injuries. But what
I'm saying is, don't you know I tell other fans,
some of my people, you know, friends, that I watched
gains and don't be so quick to give up my
young players. There is some talent there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Yeah, well he's still on a rookie contract, Jason, So yeah,
I mean they're not. I didn't mean to cut you over,
just we're up against obviously the end of the show,
and then some appreciate the phone call. He's still on
a rookie contract. There's no level of urgency to move
on from him. He's not a burden on the salary cap.
So from that standpoint alone, just from an economic standpoint, no,

(01:08:49):
there's absolutely no reason to give up. And some of
it also is opportunity getting on the field, getting targets. Remember,
it's not just about the player producing, it's about at
does he have the chances to make plays? It goes
two ways, But I don't think anybody, no matter where
you feel about the player, if you're just looking at

(01:09:09):
it from a pure money standpoint, No, it would be
silly to give up on a player. No, not that
far removed from being drafted.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
He is the fourth receiver on the depth chart and
right now there's nothing he can do to climb into
the top three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Okay, but the.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Question becomes can he be a dangerous number four or
if he doesn't, and he's a show me player. If
he doesn't, then THEO Johnson might wind up being the
fourth option in the passing game. The tight end could
wind up being more important as a flex tight end
than putting Jalen Hyde on the field if he doesn't

(01:09:47):
get it done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
But I think to your point, going into this season,
you're looking at him at number four situational opportunities and
hopefully he stays healthy and if somebody does get hurt,
he can step in. That's the home make plays, that's
the whole Beyond that, it would pretty much be icing
on the cake because right now we don't even know
from a playing time snap standpoint, what's ahead of him

(01:10:09):
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