Big Blue Kickoff Live 6/16 | Offensive Snap Predictions

Paul Dottino and Matt Citak discuss snap counts for the Giants on offense, preview Giants minicamp, and take calls from fans.

:00 - Offensive snap counts

17:50 - Minicamp chat

29:00 - Calls

38:00 - Giants Super Bowl teams

49:00 - Giants pass rush

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(00:49):
to throw out there as well. I'm Paulatino. He's Matt Sidetech.
Today's media Day, which means all the networks come into
the facility and they go through all kinds of video
and all kinds of still stores and thematic stuff that
you're going to see during the broadcasts over the course
of the NFL season. Giants Social media department does their stuff.

(01:10):
The players also do the kind of vignettes and so
forth that you'll see in the stadium during timeouts. You know,
for example, when there's a third down and you'll see
somebody on the scoreboard. Get let's call everybody screen that
kind of stuff. They do all that stuff. Today, today's
media day, not in the sense of newspaper or radio,

(01:31):
TV media. It's I guess, environmental media, production media. It's
different kinds of media to broadcast media. Broadcast media, yeah,
but for the broadcast, not like for interview purposes.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Although John is he is doing interviewing. A bunch of
that is true.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
John is the only real media person. I don't know
who he's talking to. I came to the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I overheard some of the interviews he was doing with
one or two guys.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Okay, I don't know the whole list, but he he
he always has an opportunity because it's a mandatory reporting
day for all the veterans. Mini camp is tomorrow and Wednesday.
They'll be practice sessions. And by the way, stay tuned
for information on when we start the program. I do
believe there's a chance we'll be moving the program on
tomorrow or Wednesday, because the practice schedule is going to

(02:20):
cause some conflict and I don't know if we've actually
been able to pin down the start time of the program.
So do please be alert to Twitter, whether it's the
Giants Twitter, John's myself. Are you on with me tomorrow? Yeah? Okay,
so stay tuned to our Twitter at Giants, WFA, at

(02:40):
my side tech at Schmelk at Giants.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's definitely going to be later than normal level. It's
going to be practice.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
No, I know it's going to be, yes, I just
don't know what time. I believe. Also, Wednesdays may also
change as well. It's it may not be as dramatic,
but Tomorrow's is going to be much more later. That
much I can promise you because this two day mini
camp is where it's mandatory. Everybody who's under contract is

(03:08):
supposed to be here, and you know they'll do some
more things on the field. So in any event, that's
what's coming up the next couple of days. So for today,
for today, as we join you from the Giants Podcast
Studio presented by Hackensack Meridian Health, Keep getting Better. Today,
we'll go back to one of our daily questions that

(03:29):
we usually use here when we're on the program and
we don't have necessarily any hot news to discuss. Matt
and I maybe two weeks ago, asked you guys about
defensive snaps and asked, who do you think will have
the most defensive snaps for the Giants by the time
the season is over? Well, today we're going to go

(03:50):
to offense. Which Giants player on offense will take the
most snaps by the time the season is We're not
talking about opening day, that would be a little too easy.
But by the time the seventeen game schedule is done
and we're not talking playoffs postseason, we're not dealing with that,

(04:11):
who's going to have the most snaps on the offensive
side of the ball. Would you like to go first?
You can go first, I can go first. Okay, My
pick is Germaine Iluminor. I think over the course of
his career he has been a very steady presence, a
guy who seems to have his wits about him. He

(04:33):
understands what he's got to do to prepare himself. He
does what he's got to do to be available. He
understands that availability is perhaps the best value of a player.
He can play both right tackle and left tackle. Even
though he's the starting right tackle on the team, he
also has the ability to move inside and play one

(04:53):
of the guard spots if necessary. So, given his flexibility,
given his performed moments last year as a starter, and
I believe it's quite clear he'll be the opening day
starter right guard this season as well right tackle at
right tackle. Yes, right tackle. I slipped there and said guard, didn't.
I I'm glad you did so, given that, I do

(05:18):
believe that he will take the most snaps for the
Giants on offense this season. I did have a couple
of other people who I thought about, you know, but
there are too many variables besides potential injury or injury
history that made me waffle. And I finally came back

(05:40):
to Germaine Iluminor. I could not ignore his flexibility and
his professionalism in terms of being able to get himself
ready and prepared to be taking as many snaps as
he possibly can. Now if he says Greg Van wrote,
and I'm just going to drop out of my chair
because Greg did it last year. Absolutely did it last year,

(06:01):
and he would have been probably the last guy on
offense that you would have put a box of zd
on right. He would have been the last guy he
got here Lake or a trading camp. He's a veteran.
He's been a part time starter, part time reserve his
whole career.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
He was the oldest lineman on the team.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oldest lineman new to the team. Nah, Greg van Roten
has no chance. He turns out to be the only
guy who takes every snap on offense last season. So
if he says Greg van Roten, I'm gonna fall out
of my chair.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I am not gonna say Greg van Rodin as much
as I you know, as you know, as happy as
I was about Greg van Roden re signing with the
team and being back here just because of now all
the guys that the Giants have at guard, you know,
I think he's gonna start the season as the starting
right guard. But he might, but a is it's not guaranteed,

(06:58):
because you know, we have to see what if Evan
Neal comes out and it looks absolutely dominant at guard
in the training camp in preseason. So he's not gonna
be my pick. I am gonna stick to the offensive
line though, okay, and I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Go with John Runyan.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
I think John Runyan is gonna have the most snaps
of any player on offense. And last year, of course,
he missed four games throughout he did, he missed four games,
started the other thirteen. However, those are the first four
games he missed due to injury in his.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Entire NFL career. This is true.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
His first four years, he did not miss a single game. Now,
as a rookie, he was coming off the bench, he
was a reserve, but the next three years he was
a starter for the Packers the entire season. He came
off the bench one game in twenty twenty one, other
than that, started sixteen games that season and then seventeen
games in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. Yes,

(07:53):
he missed, you know, a month last year, but clearly
the his track record shows that more often than not
he's able to stay on the field. And so I
feel like for this question it's like who. Basically, it's
which offensive lineman do you think can stay healthy for
the entire season, Because normally the quarterback would be the

(08:16):
easy answer. But obviously this year, with Russell Wilson being
here on you know, the one year deal, Jackson Dart
being drafted, you know, at some point you'd think there's
a at least a decent chance that Jackson Dart takes over.
And so Russell Wilson, you can't really I wouldn't feel
comfortable taking him. Of course, as you and I have
both said, it would be amazing if he starts every

(08:38):
single game for the Giants, because that means the offense
is rolling and the team is winning a lot of games.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
It's a good thing. It'd be a very good thing.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
But if we're you know, putting what did you say,
putting a box a z D on which guy we
think will actually play the most naps, I'm gonna go
with John Runny and who has three seasons where he
played you know, ninety five plus percentage or ninety four
percentage of the offensive snaps are more.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
He's also played left end, right guard, so he does
have some flexibility. Not as much as illumin Wark, but
he does have it. Yeah, you did not mention neighbors
at all during your explanation. Did you consider.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Him not really well? And there's nothing it's not like
that's not me saying I think he's gonna, you know,
have injuries or anything like that. It's just wide receivers
don't get on the field for every single snap. Offensive
linemen are on the field every single snap of the game,
assuming they are healthy. This is true, And obviously I
would think offensive linman, you know, might have a slightly

(09:40):
bigger chance of getting an injury that might force them
to miss some time compared to a wide receiver. And
I don't even know if that is actually true, but.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
It seems like it. It may not be true, but
it does seem like it.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
But you know, wide receivers they just can't play one
hundred percent of the snaps. They need breathers. When you're
out running all of these different routes every other play,
you know, you need to catch your breath.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
You know, we see it.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
The best wide receivers in the league don't play one
hundred percent of the snap. So that's the only reason
why I didn't go with Malik. If we were talking
about if we were to take out the offensive lineman,
Malik probably would have then been my pick. But offensive
linemen just assuming they stay hell, they are on the
field one hundred percent of the snaps.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, the quarterback situation, it can be sketchy. Given where
the Giants are right now, and they're retooling. The other
thing is, you know it's not going to be a
running back because they've got some guys in the room,
and so no one's going to take every snap at
running back. It's not going to happen. We know that
the tight ends, they've got some talent in the tight

(10:45):
ends room, so I can guarantee you that it's not
going to be a tight end. And then even if
no one gets hurt in that room, none of those
guys could possibly be the right answer. I don't see how.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
No, because even with those tight ends that are on
the roster right now, they kind of have different strengths.
So yes, depending on the circumstances or the down and
distance is going to determine which of those guys is
on the field.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Situational substitutions is going to take away somebody snaps. They're
not going to get one hundred percent. Now, Neighbors did
intrigue me, and I'll tell you why I didn't go there.
But I was intrigued by the potential of Malik Neighbors
because he is, as it stands now, the only headache
player the Giants have on offense. He is not just

(11:34):
an explosive weapon. Who I'm sure that they're going to
try to use more this year than even last year
when he caught over one hundred passes. It wouldn't shock
me if he catches another one hundred and ten passes
this year, wouldn't shock me at all. Now, Okay, especially
with Russell Wilson throwing the ball, I think they're going
to try to get him deeper. They want to get
his yards per catch up. That was low last year

(11:55):
for a guy of his ability, that was a low
yards per catch. He's got to get more than He's
got to get more YAK yardage. He's got to catch
the ball further downfield as well. Both of those things
have to happen for the Giants to be successful. So
I think they're going to try to have him on
the field as much as they possibly can. Does that

(12:17):
mean there's going to be an occasional time where he
gets arrested? Yeah? See, I think the question comes in here, Matt,
when you try to figure this one out. Is any
player on this team, even though Van Roten did it
last year, is any player on this team going to
play one hundred percent of the offensive snaps? Is anybody
gonna do it. I mean, I think it's tough to.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Predict that any player on either side of the ball
is going to play every single snap because we just
know the nature of the sport. Guys get hurt. It's
a very physical, violent sport, and not even only always
getting injured, like guys just sometimes need a breather. So, yep,
I would not come go into his season predicting that

(13:00):
anyone will play one hundred percent of the snaps. Now,
I think some guys have a good chance of getting
close to that number if they're assuming obviously that there
are no injuries.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Or a long shot like Greg van Miltin.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Again, yeah, that would not have been my prediction last year.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
It's amazing. This is why it's kind of a fun
game to contemplate, A little bit a fun answer to contemplate,
I guess is the proper word.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
I do think, you know, you can take your pick
up of the offensive lineman. But just given the nature
of the position and the fact that they are on
the field every single play no matter what, that would
you know, one of the offensive linemen would have to
be my prediction.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Well, consider when the Giants were good, right when they
were good when they won a Super Bowl in two
thousand and seven and were still contenders. That's starting five
along the offensive line started nearly forty games over three seasons,

(14:03):
right over over two and a half seasons. I think
until Karee McKenzie got hurt. I think he actually, please Kareem,
this is no disrespect, but I think when he came
out of the lineup, he had gotten injured and that
broke the string of the Giants starting five championship offensive lineman.
And at that point that run was like the longest

(14:24):
run in several decades of the NFL.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, you just you don't see it that often anymore.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Guys get hurt all of the time.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
The fact that spanning three seasons, even though it was
in the or two seasons.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Two and a half and two would have turned out
to be.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
The fact that they were able to keep the whole
starting line for that long crazy is tremendous. I mean,
last year we were happy that the whole starting line
played every snap the first six weeks together. I know,
obviously we needed that to go a little bit longer
than week six, but even six weeks, given how that
you know, the turns to that the Giants have had

(15:01):
the offensive line in the previous few years. Through six weeks,
the fact that all five guys played every single snap together,
we were all amazed. That's just not something you know,
we've seen in a while. You know, it's not something
you see often.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Period, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Now, obviously we need again, we need that number to
go beyond just six weeks this season.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
How about sixteen?

Speaker 3 (15:25):
What sixteen weeks sounds nice to me with everyone resting
in the final game of the season because we've already
clinched the playoffs, But that would be amazing.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I don't have a problem with that. But in any event,
all right, so that that is our question of the day.
Which Giants player do you think will take the most
offensive snaps during the course of this season? Our lines
are open at two to one, nine to three, nine
four five one three, and we invite you to give

(15:55):
us a call and we'll talk about that as far
as the next couple of days. Just give people a
little bit of an understanding. Again, Veteran mini camp. This
is where now it becomes a little bit more important
because these are the last two days that the players
are going to have to run through plays to work
with the coaches on the field, because as of Wednesday,

(16:17):
when they let those guys free, that's it. They're not
allowed back here until training camp begins sometime in late July.
They're not supposed to have any any on the field,
any work with the coaches. They're not supposed to be
here at all. There's there are rules in the in
the league that regulate that. So you basically have like
a five week, six week period whatever it turns out

(16:39):
to be, which is a black hole in the football schedule. Now,
the guys who are injured can still train and rehab.
We understand that that's different. They get they can get
with the trainers, but otherwise there's no football activity going on.
And that's the way it is around the league. All Right,
that's it. Once your mini camp is over, nothing until
training camp starts. So this isn't important send off for

(17:01):
Brian Dable, who has had by his own admission, excellent
attendance so far in the spring.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah, I mean, we've seen that that's been a common
theme the last couple of seasons in these off season
workout program, which is again is completely voluntary, yet every
year most of the team is here for pretty much
all of these spring practices, so that is obviously it's
great to see. Now I don't hold at quite as
much importance on these next two days as it seems

(17:30):
like you do, because it's kind of just a continuation
of what the last three weeks have been. You know,
the Giants have had three weeks of OTAs where they
were on the field practicing these team drills for the
first time seven on seven, eleven on eleven, and it
was great. But there again there's no contact and with
this mini camp coming up this week, the next couple

(17:52):
of days, there's still no contact allowed. So in my eyes,
the most important thing for these next two days, which
kind of somewhat similar to the last three weeks but
a little different because we already have now three weeks
of work under you know, the team has it under
their belt. Now these next couple of days, just get

(18:12):
through without anyone getting injured. Just get through these next
two days healthy through healthy. Let everyone get into the
you know, little summer break, rest their bodies, and just
we just need to get healthy going into training camp. Obviously,
you know there have been there were a couple of
guys that throughout the spring didn't really do much if anything.

(18:34):
And you know, Brian Dabele has spoken that most of
those guys, the bigger named players, it's not really anything
of concern. It's just more of the team being cautious
right now because it was only May slash June, and
obviously things don't really truly start mattering until you know,
end of July, August and then into September. So just

(18:57):
get through these next two days. Continue with some you know,
good work, get some good on field work in especially tomorrow,
but just get through without anyone getting hurt. Let's get healthy,
get everyone in the right mindset going into this summer break,
and then that's why it's important, and then let's reconvene
in five weeks and really get this thing going.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I think maybe maybe you misunderstood and maybe I
didn't explain it clearly enough. On the field wise, No,
there's nothing different from the last several weeks on the
field stuff. They're just wrapping it up. It's important psychologically,
in mindset wise, because this is the coach and the
coaching staff saying, okay, guys, this is what we accomplished

(19:41):
during the spring, this is what we wanted to do.
Excuse me, this is what we did do, and this
is what we need you to do and be ready
for when you come back and report at the end
of July. There is a mission statement that needs to
be taken seriously and it needs to be taken into

(20:01):
account as the guys go off on their own for
the next five weeks or whatever it turns out to be.
For some guys, it'll be just stay out of trouble.
For other guys it'll be Hey, listen, if you get
a chance, you got a local high school kid you
know who can throw you passes. Maybe you might want

(20:23):
to work on some of those routes with that local
high school kid. Go out to a field if you
get a chance and throw the ball around a little bit.
You know. There can be various suggestions, and that's why
it's important. It's different. It's not about the field stuff.
I agree with you. The two practices from the mandatory
mini camp are no different than anything they've been doing.

(20:44):
But it's about taking it seriously and understanding that when
you send these guys off, you want them to have
a purpose and understand that they're not shutting it down
per se. Yes, it's a summer vacation it's required by
the CBA, but you don't want them to totally forget

(21:05):
or neglect their responsibilities as professional football players. Oh for sure.
That's why it's important.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
I feel like these guys know that because it's yes,
as you mentioned it is.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
It's been a while since you.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Just got out of quote. To me too, when you
were twenty one, it was a little different. No, no, that
that is true. And I get you know it's quote
unquote summer vacation, summer break. But you know, if any
of these players don't, you know, keep themselves in good shape,
good physical condition, continue to work like it's not like

(21:40):
it's just a complete six week vacation where you don't
like train at all. It will work out, you know,
if you're catching passes, throwing passes, whatever your position is,
because you just put yourself behind the eight ball when
you come back here in five weeks, then.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's the case. And no doubt.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
And as we've heard countless players coaches speak, the last yes,
you know, almost two months really since the start of
the off season program, which was Draft week. Everything is
a competition right now. No one is being handed a
starting position anywhere on this roster. Everything is being earned,
which is what you want. And if you let yourself

(22:17):
get out of shape during this little summer break, you
come back and to start a training.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Camp, you'll make give a mistake.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
You're gonna quickly fall behind the other guys at your
position because they're guarantee you. Those other guys weren't quote
unquote you know, kind of resting, slacken off, whatever you
want to call it. So so that's maybe I'm I
don't know, maybe I'm giving too much credit.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
You're right, that has been a while since I had
a summer break, and I forgot the feeling of excitement
time finally coming. But as you mentioned, these guys are
you know, they're professional athletes and a lot, not all
of them, but most of them have done this at
least once before. Obviously there's the rookie class with the
undrafted guys in the draft class, but everyone else has

(23:03):
been it is not their first rodeo, and I would
hope that those older guys, and by older guys, I
mean even guys that were just drafted last year that
have one year of experience under their belt. I hope
they are, you know, sharing some words of wisdom with
the younger guys who might be a little more inclined
to lead into the vacation part.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Like you mentioned, I'm sure they are being told. I'm
sure that the veteran players are also trying to guide them.
But take it from someone who was seen enough of
these days. When these guys come back that first day
at the end of July, there used to be guys,
and not as much anymore. I think guys are a

(23:43):
little more conscientious today than they were years ago. However,
they will be guys that you're going to see doing
the gassers, the conditioning drills. They do gassers who are
lagging at the back, and the coach is not gonna
be happy about it. It's going to happen. They will
be some laggers.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Now.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
What you don't see very much of anymore are the
guys who literally have to stop and can't finish. That
doesn't happen so much anymore, but I've seen too many
guys over the years who have They will stop, they'll
just go to the ground. They've had enough, they're done.
They can't finish. Guys who start hurling in the middle
of the gassers because they are so much out of shape,

(24:23):
that they're not right, and they get out there and
it's an eighty five degree day the first day that
they come back and they're not prepared for it, and
then all of a sudden you find their cookies are
on the ground. I've seen it too many times. You
got to take the instruction seriously, trust me on that.
Most guys seem to. I think you're right, most guys

(24:44):
seem to. But all it takes is just a couple
of guys who don't and the coach's ire is going
to get raised in a hurry, believe me.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, And no one wants to be another want the
story on social media showed up. That's the last thing
you want because we see it every year across the
league with various teams. You know, someone shows up and
they are visibly let's just call it chunkier than the
last time, right, I saw them. No one wants to
be that guy.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It's the last thing you want is to be that guy.
Because well, now, fortunately that first day I believe on
conditioning drills. I don't believe the regular media is here.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
That day on the very first day. Yeah, yeah, I don't.
They're not think so.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I don't think so. Either we haven't gotten any schedule yet,
but they used to be years ago. It used to
be and even in the last couple of years. Either
they don't get in that first day of the conditioning drills,
or they don't get to see the conditioning drills and
they don't get to go out on the field until
the players actually have something on to go on the field.

(25:47):
I think the gassers are done earlier. Yeah, they don't
get to see them anymore, which is a good thing
because there was some ugly sights in some of those
some of those gas drills that I've seen over the years.
You no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no,
because that's that's like getting posterized in an NBA game.

(26:09):
It's it's like really embarrassing big time. So anyway, that's
where we're at. Two O one nine three to nine
four five one three is our phone number. Please give
us a call. We'll be here until one thirty pm
Eastern time and we'll talk Giants football with you. By
the way, is I know John is doing some more
interviews today. Do we have anything going up on a huddle?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yes, one went up this morning earlier. Okay, Chris I'm
always mispronounced his last name bisig Ningo a bisig Nano
Giants insider.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, yes, John interviewed Chris Diehard, Red Sox fan. By
the way, for those of you who just want to throw.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Some sure he must be thrilled after yesterday's trade.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I'm sure he is. Hey, they beat the Yankees three
in a row, so I'm sure they're pretty happy anyway,
it's true, But yeah, John interviewed Chris.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Chris talked about a little bit of what he saw
during OTAs, talked about some of the different position groups
on the team. So that just went up today. And
then I think Pearson and John mentioned that the next
former coach of the Giants draft class. I'm not sure
which one. I don't know if it's the if this
week is the Penn State coach.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Think it might be the D line coach.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
I think it's this week. If not, it's coming up soon.
There's a different one, but throughout I don't know. We've
a couple of them have already gone up, and over
the next couple of weeks the.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Final ones will be going up.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I know John was still waiting to talk to someone
from ole Myth about obviously Jackson Dart. But yes, I
believe that would leave the Penn State d line coach
talking about Abdual for this week.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
All right, very cool. So, as always, the Giants Tuddle
is available on all of your favorite podcast platforms as
well Giants dot com and the Giants Mobile app. I
invite you to check those out, as well as Giants TV,
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highlights and everything else on there as I try to

(28:15):
get the stupid document up again because I just blew
it out. Where our callers are? Do you have do
you have it up? Yes, there you go.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
It's Aiden all right in Florida, so Aidan.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, well once once John takes that next call and
throws it on hold and we will go to Aidan.
So Aiden, thanks for taking the time. And wait, see,
I'm very transparent here, folks, I break down the third wall.
You guys in my friend are sitting here at the
bar stool with us. Of course we're just having a
regular soda. But we're sitting here at the barstool with us.
I'd let you know what's going on. I blew out
the rundown sheet on my computer, So now I got

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to go back, and I got to find it. Aiden's
going to be the first one on the program once
John's ready to go, John, throw them up. Aiden, You're
first on the show. Hello, Hey, let's hie.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
I just wanted to ask them questions about the quarterback room.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Go right ahead.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
So you know that we have four. So there's Russell, Wilson,
Jamis Jackson, and Tommy.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
So I'm assuming, well common sense that Russell's gonna be
starting week one. But let's say first six games or
whenever their bye week was. I think it was like
seven or eight. But let's say they are like and
six and seven. Do you think after their bye week,
if they have no wins, they're going to bring in Jackson?

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Well, first of all, the Giants have the latest possible
bye week, So the bye week is not actually until
week fourteen.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Oh Okayda's way down the road.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Is the last possible week you can have a bye week?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Oh okay? Would you like to revise your question? Well,
or do you want to stick with seven and use
that as a premise?

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Like what if they go to seven,
do you think that they're going to to bring in Jackson?

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, let's just say this, Jackson Dart's not gonna even
touch the field until the Giants coaches think he's ready
to compete, because it would be unfair to him, it
would be unfair to his teammates, and it would be
unfair to this organization to throw him out there before
he at least has a reasonable chance to succeed. That's

(30:24):
first and foremost. No matter what happens with this team's
record and the other quarterbacks, if they don't deem him
ready to go out there and compete and at least
have a reasonable chance, they're not going to throw him
to the wolves. They will not do that, end of story,
no matter what game it is.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, I agree with that completely. And you know, if
the Giants were to start off zero to seven, that
sounds like a situation that may not be the best
to throw your, you know, first round rookie quarterback who
you hope will eventually be your franchise quarterback.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
If the Giants are zero and seven, that probably means
things aren't going to well on offense, and so I
don't know if you want to then put your rookie
quarterback back there. Because if Russell Wilson can't find any
sort of success in that offense, you know, behind the
line with these weapons. I don't, and he's been obviously
doing this way longer than Jackson Dart. I don't know

(31:21):
how much of a chance Jackson Dart would then have
to succeed right away. So I, for me, I would
not put Jackson in in that situation. If you want
to make some sort of change after this hypothetical oh
and seven start, I would probably instead rather turn to
Jamis and see if he maybe would be some sort
of you know, firecracker that gets the offense going. Obviously,

(31:46):
we don't know how the season will go at all,
but typically when you have that rookie quarterback that doesn't
start the season as your Week one starter, the time
that the coaching staffs like to get him in would
be following the bye week. Now, again, Giants have a
very late bye week, but in theory, they could wait

(32:07):
until then and then put Jackson in for that final
month of the season if the Giants aren't you know,
pushing for a playoff spot at that time, because those
last four games are also you know, not that it's
an easy part of the schedule, because there's no four
game stretch of the schedule. That's easy at all, But
it's probably the easiest of any four game stretch of

(32:28):
this schedule. I mean, and just you know, I know
you threw out Week seven or you know, week eight
after an open seven start as just a random number.
But Week eight the Giants travel to Philadelphia, and I
certainly do not want jackson darts first start to be
on the road against the rains to the That would
probably not be the best time to throw them out

(32:50):
there for the first time. But granted, looking at the schedule,
there really there really is no like soft landing spot
to get them in, unless you're talking about after the Bibie,
because he at least have two back to back home
games at that point.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
So we both explained in rather wordy terms, the answer
to your question is no, yeah, what's next?

Speaker 5 (33:12):
I just have one more question. So I forgot which
year he is, but arch Manning, I forgot if he's
going to be a junior rather this upcoming year the
year after. I think it's not this year but the
one after. Do you think that the Giants will pursue

(33:32):
him in even if even if Jackson's still developing or
they stick with Russell Wilson, like it would take an
extension or something. Do you think that they will still
try to pursue Arch Manning?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Well, to start, arch Manning is going to be a
junior this season, so technically, if he chooses to, he
could enter next year's NFL draft. Now I say could,
and maybe because because nobody knows what's going through his mind.
You know, his two uncles, who had pretty successful NFL careers,
they both decided to go back to school for their

(34:09):
senior years. And I feel like, you know, the Manning
family might have put some you know, benefits towards actually
finishing your time at your school, graduating with a degree.
And also just with the increase in nil money he's
going to be making, would be making almost just as
much money going back to Texas for his senior year

(34:29):
as he would being you know, a top NFL draft pick.
So it's not guaranteed that he goes into the draft
this upcoming year or the year after all of that
being said, right now, if I had, if you know,
I had to answer your question yes or no, I
would say no. I don't think the Giants would pursue him,

(34:50):
only because they just traded up in the draft for
Jackson Dart and the plan at least is to try
to grow and develop him to hopefully have him take
over as the starting quarterback and the franchise quarterback of
the future. If arch Manning goes into next year's draft,
that's not really giving Jackson much of a chance to

(35:12):
develop into that quarterback if you immediately just turn the
page on him and try to get arch And not
only that, but the Giants would have to be pretty
high up in the draft order to have a chance
at arch Manning, assuming he does go into the draft
next year.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I'll second everything he just said. Now, you sound a
lot younger than arch Manning. What is your curiosity about him?
Why are you so concerned with trying to get arch Manning?

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Here? Just watching his gameplay, I feel like his gameplay
has been like I know, he hasn't hadn't had much,
but he just shows signs of like a bright future
and I've always been fascinated by him.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
All right, Well, I hope you get a chance to
root for him wherever he plays in the NFL. But
I do tend to lean toward where Matt is. I'm
not so sure he's going to be coming out after
one more season. I could very easily see him going
with the family plan and playing out his eligibility.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
Yeah, that would that would make sense.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
All right, Thanks for the call, Yeah, question, all right,
thank you.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Now, Arch Benning, He's only had did not play much,
has not played much, has not far.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Which is why that that year could be valuable to
him one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
I mean, unless he comes out and has you know,
like a a Joe Burrow in his final year at
LSU type season.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
And we don't want to put a ceiling on him.
Maybe he does.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
He easily could It would It would not shock me
at all because from what we've seen of him, he
throws the ball, you know, pretty similarly to his uncles,
but he is and no offense to Peyton nor Eli,
but he is at least one hundred times more athletic
than the.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Two of them combined.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
So if you can't put it all together, you know,
obviously that is the potential of a great career, but
he has a long, long, long way to go before
that's really in the discussion. Let him start a full
year at Texas and see how he does before we start,
you know, crowning him the next yeah, whatever, whoever.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
You Personally, if I had my way, we would never
mention his name on this show for the next two
years period. But I know that's not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
That's probably not gonna unless Accion Dark gets in there
and you know, claims that franchise quarterback that could stop it,
that could stop it. I don't know if it would
even stop it fully.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Probably Okay. By the way, we have another caller online
and I want to make special note of this. It
says he is from Switzerland. So Frank, you're online three
and you're on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Thank you so
much for calling.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
Hey, a't no problem.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Are you really in Switzerland right now? Are you transplanted?

Speaker 6 (37:52):
Yeah? No, no, I've been here for almost ten years.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
But very cool. Thank you.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
When I was a kid to give into the Giants
game here in Germany last year. So yeah, And just
to mention on the arch Manning thing, like I think
of the Saints tank it this year, you know that
that discussion will be over. He might actually go next
year in the draft. I thought that was a great comment.
Oh you know what, yesterday I was listening to you know,

(38:22):
I do it every year. Go Black and watch the
two Super Bowls from the two thousand and seven and whatnot.
He was watching basically the Giants team at that point
and what they were with the pass rush and you know,
the better offensive line that they had that we don't
haven't had for a couple of years, and just kind
of seeing the dynamics of the team that just didn't

(38:44):
make mistakes and they made those couple of plays that
basically got them from a wild card position into the
super Bowl. And I know it's being optimistic, but I
kind of see that a little bit with this team
that has the talent, it has some things, and if
they just don't make mistakes that they could go quite far.

(39:04):
And I wanted to hear what you guys thought about that.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Well, I think the first thing you have to consider
when you look at that twenty seventeen even if you
believe that this defense can reach a similar level, and
I know we're all optimistic about the talent on this defense,
they should be a top ten defense if they all
played to their capabilities, that should not be much of
an issue. But offensively, now, you just watched that tape, right,

(39:32):
you know, some of the guys they had on offense,
on that team, you had Tumor, and you had Burris,
and you had Eli Manning, and you had an offensive
line that played its butt off that season. You know,
after being called the worst offensive line in the NFL
at the start of the season by Joe Thaisman, they
wound up being the best offensive line by the time

(39:55):
the season was over. Are these things you think this
team can match? Can this team match that running game?
You don't think about the guys who are in the backfield.
Can can this team match those guys? I mean maybe,
but I don't know that. I put boxes a ZD
on it.

Speaker 6 (40:15):
When you practice against the pass rush that is as
talented as the team that it is, when you get
on the field, that offensive line start seeing it a
bit easier and where you just like you said, it
was not a very good offensive line back in the day,
but they became one of the best ones because they
practice against some of the best pass rushers.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Indan no doubt league at the time, no doubt.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
And I wonder if that could actually occur and we
might actually get an offensive line.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I think you're asking a lot from this group of
players if they could be even two thirds of what
that line was I'd sign up for them tomorrow. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
Well, I you know, I just absolutely love talking giants
with you guys, and I watch you all the time
and absolutely love you. So thanks a lot, man.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Thank you, Frank.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
I appreciate you. Appreciate it. Definitely call back, even though
you may long distance jobs.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
I'm assuming that's very cool though, to want to get
in on the program. You know, Matt, I don't know
how often you pop in those games, but I confess,
you know, no more than two years goes by and
I'm popping that game in again. I thought you were
going to say two weeks. No, No, it's not that often,
but either, but that's good. It's because sometimes it turns

(41:34):
up on NFL Network on a rerun and I'll see
it there so I don't have to pop in the DVD.
I have it on DVD, by the way. I mean,
it's not on it's on a DVD. Okay. So and
you watch and I will tell you what it usually
does do to me. It makes me realize as I

(41:56):
shake my head about how far the team has has
fallen because that twenty seventeen, two thousand and seven team.
Let me not get those syllables. You know jumbled together.
The two thousand and seven team that stunned the Patriots
with that historic victory in Arizona was just one special

(42:21):
group of guys. So many guys were underrated on that club,
So many guys made significant contributions that a lot of
people never would have thought to be able to do. So.
I mean when you think about guys like James Butler
and Jabril Wilson for starting two safeties on that team,

(42:42):
nobody would have said to you before the season that
those guys are going to be part of a Super
Bowl championship starting lineup. Nobody would have said that David Tyree,
David Tyree making the catch, that he made it again.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
More than the catch, his contributions, no question team which
always gets overlooked when talking to no Pro Bowl. I
know he was an amazing special teams player that happened
to make the greatest catch ever.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
But no, I mean, yeah, we all knew Antonio Peuce
was a heck of a player. We knew what the
defensive line was, we knew what Eli was, we know
what Tumor and Burris were, we know what shock he was.
But then he gets hurt and all of a sudden
he's not there for the street troun and a lot
of people thought, Oh, that's gonna be a big deal,
it's gonna hurt Eli. Well, somehow the Giants got it done,

(43:28):
didn't they.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah, because they had a quarterback that helped elevate the
guys around him, and that's been something that, quite frankly,
has been missing here since Eli retired, And obviously the
Giants are hoping that they're going to get back to
that this year with the totally revamped quarterback room, having
a guy that doesn't need the guys around him to

(43:50):
step up and make plays in order to make him better,
but will help those guys make plays themselves and help
just elevate everyone's game. And just going back to Frank's
question for second, I don't think it's fair to compare
this team no to those two Super Bowl teams really,
because obviously those are two of the best, greatest teams

(44:13):
in this franchise's history. The one thing I will say, though,
is looking at the postseason for both of those two
Super Bowl winning teams that defeated the Patriots. In all
four games of each Super Bowl run, the Giants defense
did not allow more than twenty points.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
They had one game in each.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Season where they allowed twenty and every other game was
seventeen points or fewer that the Giants defense gave up. Now,
of course, they had Eli Manning under center, that seven
team had Plaxico Burris, you know, the Brandon Jacobs, Mad
Bradshaw in the running game. Like, there were certainly pieces there,
but the defense really, I feel like, helped lead those

(45:00):
teams to those Super Bowls. And now even the twenty
eleven season, Throughout the whole season, the offense was a
lot better than the defense. The offense was in the
top ten in both points and yards, while the defense
was in the bottom ten in both of those categories.
But come playoff time, the defense really stood up, and

(45:20):
especially in the Super Bowl against Tom Brady. And again,
I don't want to compare this year's team to those
two teams, but I think it's been pretty obvious since
you know how the offseason transpired, what we've seen in
the last.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Couple of weeks on the field.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
If this year's team is going to have success, it's
going to be I'm not gonna say squarely because but
a big part of it is going to be because
of the success of the defense and especially the guys
up front. This pass rush, this, I mean, I wrote
about it in today's Cover three that's coming out on
giants dot Com this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
But this is the.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Potential to be the best pass rush of the Giants
have had since those two Bowl winning pass sure. I
mean again, there were no no pads, no contact during OTAs,
but some plays we were standing next to each other
on the sidelines for a lot of those OTAs. There
were plays where and again Dexter Lawrence wasn't even out
there on the field for most of the OTAs, but

(46:17):
Brian Burns, Cavon and Abdul Carter were all three of
them lined up with one of them lined up on
the inside, and we called it, you know, Dan and
I joked called it the party at the quarterback because
Russell Wilson would call hike and within two and a
half seconds, all three of those guys would be in
his face and in the game situation, would have had

(46:38):
an easy sack. Again, take it with the grain of salt,
because there's not real contact between the offensive lineman and
the defensive linement. But you know, those three guys and
especially Brian Burns and Abdul Carter. They showed some spin
moves where even if the offensive lineman was allowed full contact,
would have had no chance of stopping him.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
And it was nothing.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
That's not saying anything, you know, towards the offensive line.
Just Abdul Carter and Brian Burns, especially their quickness, has
the potential to make this an absolutely elite pass rush,
and that's going to obviously just help every level of
the defense. If you have a pass rush that's gonna
get after the quarterback in two seconds most plays, that's

(47:22):
obviously gonna be a big boost to your linebackers and
a big boost to your secondary. And if your defense
is playing getting a boost and playing well overall, guess what,
that's obviously gonna have benefits to your offense as well.
Even if your offense isn't an elite unit, having an
elite defense makes your offense better, as we've spoken about before.

(47:42):
So I don't want to compare this team to that
to those two teams, because that's just completely not fair
to anyone. But if we're just talking about the bones
of the roster again, it's June, but right now, this
defense certainly has the potential to be an elite unit,
which who knows how far that could take this team

(48:03):
if that adds up being the case.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, when you consider the three bona fide edge guys
and then dexter Lawrence, who has the ability to crush
the pocket from the front, what is a quarterback supposed
to do? I mean, if you think about it, he's
got to worry about not just the edge, not just
the front, not just potentially the A gap or the

(48:28):
B gap. But he's also got to worry about guys
who were stunting and coming free. You see. That, to
me is the one part that does actually hold some water.
Because I don't believe in sacks during the spring I don't.
You're telling the offensive lineman basically, we're gonna put handcuffs
on you and tie your ankles together, and we're gonna

(48:49):
tell you to go out there and take snaps. I
he's supposed to block anybody, you're not allowed to, So
I don't. I don't really put much stock in snaps,
the spring camp and the OTAs. I don't think it's
worth a whole lot. But what you can get a
feel for, and this is where I will agree with
you and Dan and John, what you can get a

(49:10):
feel for is the athleticism and the quickness of those
edge rushers. You can get a feel for, Wow, this
guy has some real tools and has some real speed
to his game. I think I project when he's in
a game in September with pads on and he's going

(49:31):
up against a real three hundred and forty pound linemen,
I project he probably has enough speed and quickness to
give him trouble. I get the projection that you guys
are doing. It's still a projection. It's not real, So
I don't I take it with a grain of salt
more than you guys do. But I agree these guys

(49:51):
certainly have a projection that's pretty exciting. I agree with that.
I would also say this, if you are banking Okay
as a offensive coordinator on playing the Giants and thinking
that these guys are going to be in the same

(50:12):
spot all the time, you're making a serious mistake. Because
not only can the two edge guys flop at will
Carter can play interior, he can play on the exterior.
Dexter Lawrence could be head up as a nose tackle,
or he could be shaded into either of the A gaps.

(50:34):
If he wants to be. There are a number of
different variations that they can use with those four guys.
All four of them could wind up being headache players
by the time the season is over.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Yeah, I mean we saw a little bit of it
at spragg and I could talk about where, but we're
not going to do that. But I mean we saw that,
Like it's opposing offenses are going to come in with
the game plan, and from what we saw in bits
the spring, Shane Bowen is gonna have these guys on
their toes because opposing offensive lines are never gonna know

(51:08):
for sure where each of these guys is going to
be lined up.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
And it's four guys, Yeah, you can, you can send it,
you can move Dexter. You don't have to put them
small on the center, you can for sure.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
And it's but it's even when some of those guys
you know, come off for a breather, the guys that
are gonna be coming in to replace him for a
handful of snaps, You're not.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Those guys are versatile as well.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
You're not gonna know where Chelsea Golsten is gonna be
lined up, No, you're not. Darius Alexander can line up
many different spots across the defensive line. Like there are
not many players the Giants have up front right now
where when they're on the field, opponents are gonna know
almost for sure, like, all right, we know this guy
is gonna be in this spot. There's an incredibly versatile
group of guys up front that we've spoken about it

(51:48):
at length for months now that Shane Bowen is gonna
obviously have to figure out the best way to get
creative and just deploy them in, you know, as many
different ways as possible because it's gonna keep opposing offenses
on their toes and opposing quarterbacks are just never gonna
feel comfortable back there.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
See. That's why all of the extra depth that the
Giants added in the front seven becomes so incredibly valuable.
It's not just that they upgraded the talent level of
the front seven. It's about they've expanded the playbook because
of the usage that they can put fourth on these guys.
That's what it is. It's gonna mean the sum of

(52:29):
the parts is gonna be greater than the individual parts
because of the way you can deploy them.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah, adds to their their to their danger one hundred percent.
I mean last year, I'm not going out of a
limb by saying anytime. Basically, the Dexter Lawrence came off
the field prior to his injury, the defense, you know,
quote somewhat took a took a bit of a hit
mm hm, and they kind of struggled on those plays
that Dexter was not on the field. Now, obviously you're
taken all Pro, that's one of the best at his

(52:57):
Positioned off the field, you expect at least it's a
little bit of a drop off, of course. But now
with the pieces that the Giants have not only behind Dexter,
but as the three edge rushers as well, and you know,
at various spots around the defense, you're not going to
see that as big of a drop off when you
know your star players have to come off for a

(53:17):
breather for a player too, It's just it's not gonna
happen as often.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
We talked about something the other day at OTAs. You
probably remember when I think I said to you and
Dan Salomon as well, on the practice field, I shit, guys,
people think they saw a lot out of Brian Burns
last year, but he was badly beaten up for most
of the season and he's still made first alternate to
the Pro Bowl. Brian Burns impressed the living heck out

(53:44):
of me last year. He is a really, really good player.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
He might be the player that I am most looking
forward to seeing this year. Like of course, I'm very
excited to see Abdul Carter and what he can do
because we've never seen it before. But I don't think
we have seen Brian Burns has even come close to
what his ceiling could be. And I think if he
stays healthy, if those other guys up front, if they

(54:09):
can stay relatively healthy, I feel like we might see
that version of Brian Burns this year.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
And he, by the way, is a two way player.
If he did notice, he plays the run too. He's
not just an all out I'm going after the quarterback
kind of guy, which is what's so good about these
other guys. Carter will also play the run. He's much
more effective as a pass rusher, but because of his
off ball linebacker Tom at Penn State, he understands how

(54:35):
to play the run and he's more than willing to
do it. And we know Thibodeau, who I still believe
is one of the game's most underrated run stoppers off
the edge in today's NFL. I still believe that you
talk to Carl Banks, he'll tell you Kaevon Thibodeau does
a really good job of holding the edge against the run,

(54:57):
really really good job. He just doesn't get a lot
of credit for.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, and the fact that all those guys you just
mentioned are also at the very least, you know, decent
and against the run, if not decent to very good,
it just allows you to keep all those guys on
the field for as many plays as possible. You don't
have to worry about, Oh, this guy's really only a
pass rusher, this is a running down.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
We got to take him off the field.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
These guys can stay on the field obviously, condition you know,
their condition will play a big part in how many
victual snaps they play. It's tough for ed rushers to
play one hundred percent of the snaps like we see
at some other positions. But you know, the fact that
they are all pretty good to very good against the
run allows Shane Bowen to just keep his best eleven

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guys on the field as much as possible, which is
obviously what you want.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Well, that's one of the reasons I'm anxious to see.
Also Taman Fox, who has bulked up. I don't know,
if you've noticed his upper body, it's pretty obvious. He's stronger,
he's bigger, he's bulkier. Timan Fox right now is the
fourth of the stand up edge rushers. I know Golston
is gonna be on the edge. I think Golston's more

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of a defensive end myself than he is a stand
up edge rusher. But you know, you want to have
a little bit of depth in there because you're not
gonna play all three of those edge rushers all the time.
Somebody's gonna have to come off the field sometime.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
And we don't know what the status is of Victor Demokig.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correct. I'm not
even one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Yeah, yeah, so tomro Fox, especially once training camp starts,
he's gonna have a great opportunity.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
He really is. He Look, he's shown some flashes enough
to be here for two years.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
I was gonna say, there's a reason why he keeps
on being brought back. Yeah, it's and it's not just
because all we just need another body in the room.
Like clearly the coachings that sees something in him, and look,
he's gonna have an opportunity this year for sure. I
mean especially because we obviously know who the top three
edge rushers on the Giants are gonna be, but beyond them,
it's a competition. Everything. It's spots are up for grabs,

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and those guys, because of how solidified they are in
their roles, they're not gonna need as many reps and
as many snaps during training camp in the preseason. So
guys like Tomin Fox are gonna have an amazing opportunity.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
To prove themselves.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
I agree, and again there's a reason why he's now
coming back for year three after a year being signed
as an undrafted rookie free agent a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3 (58:35):
We're going to be hearing from the assistant coaches for
the first time all off season today and tomorrow, outside
of the coordinators, which we've heard the position the positional coaches.
I forgot which day is offensive and which way day
is defensive. But between tomorrow and Wednesday, we will be
hearing from all of the position coaches from both sides
of the ball. So it'd be nice to hear from

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them and see how what they think about how these
guys have been progressing this spring.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
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