Big Blue Kickoff Live 6/17 | First Day of Giants Minicamp

Paul Dottino and Matt Citak discuss everything they saw at the first day of minicamp, talk about what players said at their pressers, and take calls from fans.

:00 - Minicamp chat

23:40 - Jalin Hyatt

29:10 - Jameis Winston

35:40 - Kayvon Thibodeaux

41:20 - Calls

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dot com Slash podcasts. This was day one of the
mandatory mini camp, which means all signed players either have
to be here or have an excuse not to be here.
The bottom line for the Giants is that the only
unsigned player and he's out there on the practice field
not doing anything, is Cam Skataboo. He's the only guy

(01:28):
who's not signed, but he did sign his waiver to
be here so we could get a shirt on and
to be on the practice field. He's just not doing
any specific drills. So the attendance is very good, as
per head coach Brian Dable, And yes, we did see
Elik Neighbors come out and get into the huddle and
listen to some plays, although he didn't actually run any.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
No, but he's been doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
He's been doing that now for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, he has not been participating in team drills, but
he acts as if he is like huddle and then
as soon as they break the huddle that he goes
back with the coaches behind the play.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Now. I bring that up only because you know, the
outside media has not been here very often and they
keep asking about him. They made a very big deal
out of it earlier today. You should have heard them
in their little group. They didn't see Neighbors. Well, all
of a sudden, a few minutes later, Neighbors comes walking
out with a helmet in New Jersey and gets into
the huddle. So that kind of spoiled that little storyline.

(02:26):
But in any event, so yes, Malik Neighbors continues to
rehab and continues to progress, and in fact, Brian Dable
was asked about any of the injured players being the
long term concern. He didn't seem to show any This
is the same answer he's been giving us now for
a few weeks. And Carmen Brisillo was grilled quite honestly

(02:49):
about Andrew Thomas. We'll get to the plays in a moment.
But Priscilla was grilled about Andrew Thomas, and at first
he said, no, it's nothing long term. I'm not worried
about him, but then he said, you better ask the coach.
So I don't think there are any red flags injury wise,
even if some guys are pulled back at the beginning
of training camp, which you never can tell, that's always possible.

(03:11):
I don't get the impression that this team has any
major concerns about the rehab guys, I just don't.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
No.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I mean again, like if we spoke about yesterday. The
only one that we just have no idea about is
Victor D. Muckigee, right because that you know, that was
something that happened throughout the last couple of months.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
But I'm kind of not counting on him.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, same here, But yeah, I mean the other guys. Look,
it's June seventeenth. The team is about to break for
five weeks and then training camp starts, and we all
know the goal is to have everyone healthy and ready
to go for week one. You don't need Molik neighbors
out there running every team drill in June for him

(03:52):
to be ready we come week one. You just don't.
We saw what he did last year as a rookie.
He'll be okay. You know, as long as he's all
the field at some point during training camp, which all
signs seem to point towards that happening, there's no cause
for concern. And the same thing goes for Andrew Thomas.
Right now, all we could go off of is what
coach Stable Brisilla, what what those guys have been saying,

(04:15):
and until they start talking as if they're overly concerned
about his availability for the start of the season. Until
that happens, I'm gonna assume that he's gonna be ready.
You know, at some point, as you said, it may
not be day one of training camp. He's just full go.
Because they're still gonna be cautious with all of these guys,
no doubt Andrew Thomas Dexter Lawrence. I mean, dex has

(04:37):
been out here but not really participating in team drills either.
They're gonna be cautious, especially when it comes to the
best players. There's no reason to rush these guys and
have them come back before they are one thousand percent
healthy and ready to go. There's just no reason for it.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
This time of year. The ramp guys up. Whoever needs
to be involved, they will ramp them up from the
beginning of training ca And by the way, we don't
have an official date for that yet, at least that's
been released to the media. We kind of know internally
we have a good idea of when it's going to start.
It'll be late in July. But coach Dable was asked,

(05:14):
they tried to pin him down today and asked him,
do you have the training camp schedule. Do you have
the dates? And he said they were kind of ironing
out a few details. They weren't set with that yet.
I don't know exactly what goes into that, what they're
still trying to figure out, and what they're still trying
to smooth over. Rest assured if you're thinking of coming

(05:36):
to training camp, you don't have to come during the
first two weeks of July. That much we could tell you.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, My guess is they don't want to make any
training camp announcement until they have the full schedule yeah
worked up, and so I feel like they probably have
a pretty good idea what day it's going to be
the starting date, but they want to get the entire
training camp schedule down pat make sure it works with everyone.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Coach mentioned there's a lot of people that are involved
in these discussions, between the trainers, the medical staff, the coaches,
front office, like everyone is involved to make sure that
they come up with the schedule that makes the most
sense for everyone and for all departments. Cause, again, the
goal is just to get everyone ready for Week one,
that Week one game against the Commanders. The goal is

(06:23):
to get everyone ready, healthy, good to go for that game.
So they're still working out some of the details of
exactly how they're going to go about it. But as
you mentioned, Paul, training camp starts pretty much the same
day every single year.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Figure of the fourth week of July, and that's about
as best as we can now.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Just go back and look at when the last couple
of years training camp started. It's going to bend the
same time.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah. Then so yeah, give or take a day or two. Yeah,
all right, so in terms of just setting the table
for you, that's what we've got. Now, let's talk about
some player because there were some plays today. I thought
Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston actually had some really nice
throws today. Let's start with the seven on sevens dart

(07:11):
to Humphrey made a nice high stab on a play.
Wilson had a nice fade to Bo Collins for a touchdown.
We've mentioned him before. A lot of fans really dig him.
He's a Notre Dame player, and you know, Notre Dame
has fans all over the country. So when Bo Collins
does well, we seem to get a lot of interest
on how he's doing well. He continues to do well.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, he got some reps with the first team offense today.
As you mentioned, obviously catching a touchdown pas from Russell Wilson.
He's out there with the starters, and he made some
plays throughout practice. I mean, he had that play that
was you know, one of his probably his best play.
But he also caught you know, he caught a pass
from Jackson Dart later in eleven on eleven's and then

(07:54):
during towards the end during one of the final it
might have been the final team period, he drew a
defensive holding penalty in the end zone. You know, probably
would have been a touchdown and the only way the
defender could stop him is by grabbing him. And the
refs in practice here, they've been here throughout the spring.
The refs through a flag, so it would have been
you know, first and goal from inside the five yard line.

(08:17):
But yeah, both Collins is he's playing pretty well. And
before practice started, coach Jables said that, you know, there
are some of these undrafted wide receiver free rookie free
agents that have been stepping up and playing well, and
he talked.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
About it the room has really been productive.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, it really has. It's not just Bo Collins and
Dale and Comboy also has been playing pretty well. I
mean today he had a great day, but he's been
consistent throughout spring the last two to.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Eleven on eleven periods. Would you have him for four
catches over the last two periods or was it three?

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Well, he hit three in a row that engine that
ended in the touchdown, correct, there was another one. We
had one other one as well, I believe, so it
was four. I think it was four, at least three.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
There was. There was there was a there was a
juggler in the far left corner of the end zone,
right along the corner of the end zone. One official
called touchdown. The other official said he juggled it incomplete.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I think they ended up really it incomplete.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think so too. But then foots from MSG overrule
being said there's a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I don't know what replay you used to see it
from one hundred yards away.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I'm just saying, but yeah, another good day for Cambriy
for sure. Some other highlighted plays that I had in
eleven on eleven's we'll stick with the offense. First, I
saw Wilson to Robinson on a diving catch down near
near the goal line. I saw Winston hitting Bellinger with

(09:49):
a tight rope that Bellinger had to reach up for
and made the stab on the left side down near
the goal line. That was a really, really nice throw
by Winston. Winston had couple of completions to Cambre in
a row. Cambray made a nice stamp in the flat
on one of them, and I thought the old Johnson
on the fade which I think was by your corner,

(10:10):
it was the other corner, the other corner that you
were on the right side. Yeah, okay, it was the
left side, a fade to the left corner of the
end zone. Wilson just dropped it right in the bucket.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I mean, look, we've talked the last month now about it.
I don't even know how many times of Russell Wilson
just throwing the ball downfield and just dropping it perfectly
where only the receiver can catch. It goes right over
the outstretched arm of the defender ridiculouly into the guy's hands.
And that's exactly what happened. This was from they were
lining up around the twenty five yard line and Russell

(10:43):
Wilson just dropped it perfectly and theo Johnson jumped up
or put his hands up and it fell perfectly into
his arms for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
It was like a video game throw. It was perfect.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
That was probably the best throw of the day. He
also had another great throw to Daniel Bellinger. Yep, and
that was when they were starting closer. I think it
was like their own thirty yard line. So it wasn't
a touchdown, but Bellinger would have gotten at least thirty
yard game on this on this throw, if not more.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
That was the one in the last period.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, he would have had you know, there was only
one defender in front of him, which Bellinger you know,
has a chance to break attack any secondary player. But yeah,
just another great throw from from Russell Wilson on that
Russell Wilson to Wandell when you were mentioning earlier, that
was for a touchdown. Yes, they did rule it a touchdown.
He was right by the goal on Yeah, I was

(11:34):
across the field but could see and they ruled it
a touchdown. He was in right after that. Toman Fox
had back to back plays where he had again what
would have been sacks. We're not gonna call him sacks
because no one's actually getting hit coming down, but it
got to a point where coach Dable blew the play
dead because Toma Fox was there was no one around it.

(11:58):
Yeah he did. He did a little bit. Was that
I think later in practice? Yeah, you got pressure on
another play as well, trace Forard. What else do I
have in my notes here? Oh there was one play.
I know, I feel like we say this just about
every day, but there was one play where Abdul Carter.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Oh yeah, they called.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Hike and I don't know how he did it. He
got into the quarterbacks face so quickly. And I know,
you know we've spoken a lot. There's no contact. The
offensive lineman are not, you know, fully blocking the guys
like they would even in training camp, let alone in
a game situation. But you could I don't even remember
which offensive linement this was, but you could have been

(12:41):
full contact, full go, and that lineman would not have
had a chance against Abdul on this play he got
back there in a blink of an eye. He was
in the quarterback's face. And I feel like almost every
day we talk about at least one play that Abdul
Carter does that, and this is differently he does and
this was a play where he was I think I
think he was with this second team defense on this play,

(13:01):
so he was lined up on the edge.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Was that why he came in to give a spell
to Thibodeau.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
That I'm not sure, okay.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Because there was at one point Thibodau needed a breather
and Carter went in. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I don't think he was with the starting defense on
this play. And it just goes just like goes to
show once he's out there and actually lining up with
Dexter Lawrence Brian Burns and came on Thibodeau around him
like God only knows how much destruction you can do
to opposing condenses. Like I know we I don't want
to harp on this because we've talked about it a lot,

(13:36):
but I don't know how opposing offenses are going to
block all four of these guys if they are all healthy.
You can't double team all of them and just about
any of those four. Sign me up for a one
on one matchup for any of them, let alone. You're
talking I mean a maximum. Maybe you can double team two.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Of those guys.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Maybe you're still leaving two of the guys on one
on one situations. Sign me up for that any day
of the week.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
What happens when Bowen the sides on a situation like that, Oh,
I might just say his safety blitch too.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Good luck and Tyler Newman running quarterback, or Holland.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Good luck or Phillips from any of them, what are
you going to do? Anyway?

Speaker 1 (14:20):
That's why I really cannot wait training camp I games,
because I just I want to see this defense in action.
I don't want to see both sides of the ball,
all three sides, because all three sides look like they
have taken pretty substantial steps throughout this offseason, but the
defense especially, I mean, we're talking about it yesterday. I
feel like it's safe to say if this team is

(14:42):
going to succeed in twenty twenty five, it's going to
be the defense really leading the way. They have a
chance to be an elite unit, and I just cannot
wait to see them actually going out there and going
full throttle and it gets another team because I don't
want to see, you know, as much as I love
seeing Ablue Carter and you know, our quarterbacks faces, I'd
rather see him, yeah, in the face of a quarterback
from a different team, rather than getting very close to

(15:04):
our own guys.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I will only say this I as much as I've
been touting what I expect from the Special teams this year,
there's nothing we can tell about Special teams.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, although Jude has been making some pretty far kicks.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
He will say the ball better than I've ever seen
him kick the ball before. Yeah, Jude mcatammney has really
really done a terrific job this spring because during the
voluntary workouts, you know, the veterans, if they've got stuff
they're doing on their own, they're working with their own programs,
with their own trainers. You know, Graham Gano's been doing
this now for what seventeen years or whatever it is.

(15:38):
He knows what he's doing. They don't need the babysit
him to be here for every single workout. So mcatammney
has gotten a lot of extra kicks. He's made use
of it.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
He's kicked well, Yeah, he really has. I agree with
you that it's kind of hard to gain anything else
from the other special teams. We just training camp. You
can start getting more of an idea because as we mentioned,
once contact is a out. You know, those kickoff for
turn drills become a little more you know, real in
real life situations. Right now, there's other than Jude making

(16:10):
those long cakes. I agree with you, There's not not
a whole lot you can learn from so special teams.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Finally, just a couple of other highlighted plays that I
thought wanted to get special attention. Bellinger did catch the
touchdown pass we mentioned from Winston earlier, then caught one
from Wilson in the final eleven on eleven section of
the day. Jackson Dart hitting Smith Morsett, who made a
really nice stab of a pass play on the left side,

(16:36):
also hit Cambray on a fade at the end in
the last section of practice on a fade to the
right corner of the end zone. Again, it looked like
one of those Russell Wilson throws. You know, it was
right there. I think that was in front of you too. Yeah. Yeah,
So Jackson Dart has his share of good plays too.
But I did think Wilson and Winston today had more

(16:57):
of the highlighted throws I think than Dart did. But
Dark threw the ball well today. Tommy DeVito, I didn't
have him knock knock marked down for any highlighted throws.
It was just a regular practice for him. Nothing was
spectacular today.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, he just didn't get that lot of reps. He
didn't get that many enoughs today.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
And then finally on defense.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Wait, there's two. I'm surprised he didn't talk about this
because he's one of your guys.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Dante Miller made a couple of plays. He caught one
touchdown pass from Jameis Winstead where he just ran a
great route and was completely open with his speed. And
then the other one, which this was I only marked
it down because I it was a legitimate one. Jamis
hit him on a screen. That would have been a
humongous gain because he had one of his offensive linemen

(17:44):
in front of him and only one defender in front
of him, and with turbo speed, he would have gained
at least thirty yards Is that.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
The right sideline one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that would have
been at least thirty or four.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
That would have been a humongous Yeah. With his speed
and elusiveness, who knows, he could have maybe taken it
to that.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
But to to defend, and I love Turbo, you know that.
But the defend, My take on it was they were
both easy catches.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
That is true.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
They were not spectacular catches were spectacular throws, but what
he would have done with them would have been really good. Yes,
the second one especially, I mean the first one. Yes,
I feel like, honestly, any of the running backs probably
out there.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
The second one.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
He hit into third gear.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, the second one, and you know, and as fast
as Tyrone Tracy is, I don't think he would have gained.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
His many no.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Open space.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I agree with that. Yes, Turribo, I'm sorry I should
have highlighted your yak yardage on those two plays, but
especially the second one. Then on defense, there were a
couple of plays on defense, but by far the number
one play was Wilson was picked off by Art Green,
who you folks will remember he was here last year,
was on the depth chart, did get some time in

(18:55):
some games. Art Green has certainly had some flashes about
the spring.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I don't want to burst your bubble. They threw a
flag on that play. They did did not count. I
didn't see it. Yeah, And I mean there was a
reason why the ball kind of went right into Art
Green's Yes, and the reason was because I believe it
was Daniel Bellinger got did he It was like an
obvious hole to a point where I immediately turned to

(19:22):
dance Almon and John and I'm like, that was clearly
a penalty and then sure enough the reft.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
That was on the far side of the field for me,
I didn't, I didn't see them when it come from
the back giants.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
It came from the back giant and the way I
like as Art was running the ball back, Dave's blew
the play dead because he saw the.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
P by the way Green took it all, he.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Ignored and still just kept going.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
He would like, forget this. I'm getting that touched down.
I don't care. He may never get another one, another pick.
He was going to take it.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Oh wow, okay, did you get a good look at
the past deflected at the line, the ball that was.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Batter than they did?

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Get a good look?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
That was planning to bring that up?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
I couldn't. I couldn't see who it was.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I could and I'm happy to bring it up. Chauncey
Golston again tipped it to himself and almost caught an interception,
which he had that exact play. It was either last
week or the week before. He got his hands up
at the line, batted the ball down and not even down,
just tipped it up to himself and then caught it
for an interception, took it the other way. He came

(20:27):
so close to doing it again today, very close. After
tipping it, he dove and it like when just passed
his outstretched arms. But it was an incredible play. And
again last year, he's coming off a career high five
pass breakups. And I haven't watched all of this film,
but I'm assuming most, if not all, five of those
were on plays like that where he just with his big,

(20:47):
humongous frame, got his arms up and just batted the
ball down.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
At the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
He's again, lineman, there's only so much you can learn
in the spring, but plays like that, I mean, he's stood.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Out and it was it was close. He just misgetting
the pick when ye came Bath came fluttering down and
he was I thought he was going to have it.
He was extended, full throttle trying to grab it and
he just couldn't get it. Yeah, okay, it was who
deflected it.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
It was him, And there were not tell There were
a couple of other pass breakups throughout practice in the secondary.
In the secondary go Ahead, TJ Moore had one in
the end zone towards the very end of practice.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
You know, I thought, I thought I saw one of
the refs wave a penalty on him.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Not on that play, though, there were a couple of
penalties in the end zone today.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
T TJ.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Moore, I Bow Collins drew a dp I in the
end zone. Yes, that was earlier one of the first offs.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
There was an offensive pass interfearings.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Too, There was one, but that was all the later
he drew a DPI in the end zone. Correct, that
was the play I was referencing earlier, and then the
defensive holding wiped out the Art Green interception. Okay, there
was also an offensive pass in from college. Yeah, that
was when they were doing the team period from like
their own thirtieth yard line. Yeah, and he did a

(22:06):
great play, but he did kind of push off.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
He shoves the defensive back and I'm forgetting who it was,
shoves him, turns around, does the full spin, and the ball,
of course, is now out here, and he's got about
two and a half yards of separation. Well, gee, how'd
you get it? Bo, how'd you get it?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
And if anyone is, you know, slightly concerned that Malik
neighbors just because he's not practicing. Maybe he's not you know,
fully into it. Melik Neighbors got right up into that
ref's face to complain and argue with him about that
OPI call. He was fighting for Bo Collins to get
that catch. It was pretty clearly yeah, it was even

(22:44):
Coach Mike grow after. Originally he was trying to, like,
you know, maybe argue with him a little bit. Then
he kind of like shrugs.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
It was like, okay, yeah, you're exactly exactly all right.
So that's pretty much the review of what we saw
at practice today. It was, uh, another indoors practice. The
giants haven't had a ton of those during this spring,
but because of the sprinkles earlier this morning, they didn't
want to go outside, either you know, because they thought

(23:12):
it might rain more, or maybe just because they didn't
want to get the grassholl wrecked. Because whenever they go
out there and practice on the grass and it's too
wet and moist, they wind up digging it up and
then Rob Davis, our groundskeeper, gets very upset. Yes, he
treats his grass very well, and I don't blame him,
so it looks great. I wish he'd come over and
help me, help me my lawn. My backyard's not in

(23:32):
a great shape right now. I got some brown spots
by front wall. Looks good, though. I got a mo
today when I get home. Yes, I know the missus
has already told me. I got the message. I got
a moll What are you gonna do? It just never
stops anyway, folks. A couple of quick thoughts about the coaches.
We did get to hear from Brian Dable today, and
we also got to hear from the offensive position coaches

(23:55):
and Mike grow in particular, took a heavy grilling about
Jalen Hyatt. We knew we would, you know, because let's
face it, Hyatt is in a show me season. He's
had a really good spring. It turns out, depending upon
whose number you believe, he's somewhere between one hundred and
ninety and one hundred ninety five pounds, which is significantly

(24:18):
bulkier than what he was. We've talked about him now
for the last month, two months almost. He's looked great
out there, so we see the difference in his physique.
We haven't seen him lose any speed or quickness.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
No, not at all. And you know, Darius Slayton, I
believe was last week said that Jalen Hyde added fifteen
to twenty pounds of muscle, and we kind of scoffed
a little bit at that point. Its a lot, It
sounded that's a lot of muscle. But I mean, if
we're to believe coach grow and that's actually what he weighs,
then that fifteen to twenty pounds, that seems like there'll

(24:53):
be an accurate number then yeah, because he was I
believe like around one seventy seventy and change maybe year.
So yeah, if that's the case, I mean again, he
looks significantly bigger. His upper body just looks a lot bigger.
His arms, his biceps, everything looks bigger. So I guess
it's not, you know that that crazy. I mean, you're right,

(25:15):
he is not. You know, he has not missed a
step at all. His speed is still there. He still
outruns the defense anytime basically he gets sent on a
deep route. Russell Wilson was talking about him after practice.
I mean he's talked about him again throughout since the
day he got was introduced as a giant. Russell Wilson
has been talking about Jalen Hyatt clearly that this veteran

(25:37):
quarterback who's been around a lot of very good receivers
is impressed with this young man. Loves what he can do.
Jalen didn't really do anything today. I don't know what
what happened. You know, he was out there at the beginning.
We have no word coach stable Will. I'm assuming we'll
mention if there is anything to mention something.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
So whatever.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
You just see a lot of these questions on YouTube
about what happened with Hyatt. And I know there were
these reports going around during practice that he left with
some you know, big injury. I don't know. I was
standing next to him on the sideline after he apparently
walked off because of this big injury. And yeah, I'm
not a doctor or a trainer, but I mean he
was there throughout practice, just standing on this island with

(26:22):
Malie neighbors. So you don't think anything too much of it.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
If a player gets a big injury, he gets tended to. Yeah,
he leaves standing next to you.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, yes, very much.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
So, yes, unless you got a doctor's degree that I
don't know about.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
My dad does, but me not so much.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Okay. Also, we heard today again from the offensive assistance
I didn't think there was anything special there that necessarily
draws attention unless you got something you wanted to throw
out other than Mike grow because I thought that was important.
He was very complimentary of what Height has done. In fact,
the one thing I thought that was the most import

(27:00):
he said. He acknowledged Hyatt's work ethic, saying during the
off season you could see that it was time well spent.
He came prepared. He is absolutely on a mission, and
he is he is rare to go. Look, that's music
to my ears. I've seen it from him before. Now
it's time to show me.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, I mean so I expect nothing less, and yeah,
there's no one that's gonna deny that. Going into year three,
this is obviously a big season for him. The first
two seasons have not gone how he or anyone would
have hoped they would. Now that doesn't mean he hasn't
had flashes, because Russell Wilson even pointed out a couple
of specific plays from his first two seasons. Russell Wilson

(27:42):
would because he did so they were. The media pressed
him about like, well, what have you seen from Jalen
Hyatt that makes you so.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Confident in him?

Speaker 1 (27:50):
And he literally mentioned, He's like, there was this one
catch against the Arizona Cardinals, which was the second game
of Jalen Hyatt's career his rookie season, that he caught
this like deep passed forty fifty yards down the field.
That was the play that week two game against the
Cardinals that sparked that massive second half comeback yep for
the Giants to come back and win that game. Then

(28:10):
he also mentioned, you know, Russell Wilson said there was
a player to a game at home. I think he
was mentioning the Patriots game from that same season where
Hyatt had the best overall game of his career, had
a couple of catches, one or two were deep, but
then also short intermediate routes, was catching basically everything that
was thrown at him. So Russell Wilson has done his
not that I'd expect anything less, but he has done

(28:32):
his homework on Jalen Hyatt and every other you know
playmaker on this offense. And he's genuinely impressed and confident
with what he sees from Jalen. And so far this spring,
Jalen is backed it up.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, he certainly has. As far as the players we
heard from Russell Wilson, we heard from Jameis Winston. To
be honest, we also heard from Kaevon Thibodeau. Nobody said
anything that was outlandis should that surprise me? But I
will say Jamis Winston had his first opportunity to come

(29:08):
face to face with the New York media. He's done
zoom before, but he had never done an in person
type chat with the New York media. Wow, was he impressive.
I can't say enough about his presence. I can't say
enough about his oratory skills. He commanded the podium. He

(29:29):
was quite engaging to listen to. And here's what I
will say, folks, what I admired about him the most
today when I listened to him. He knows he's been
in this league for ten years. He knows he's had
an up and down, inconsistent career. He understands that. He said,
it doesn't matter where he is on the depth chart
in the quarterback room. He's here to lead, He's here

(29:51):
to help. He's here to be the best that he
can be to help this team be as good as
it can be. And he doesn't care about the number
of He wasn't concerned with his place in the room
that wasn't important to him. He was more concerned with
being a guy who fits in and is a good
leader and does everything he can to help his teammates.

(30:15):
I appreciate that because I think he's aware, right, he's
aware of what his career is. He knows what his
stat line is. Jameis Winston is selling the Giants himself
as a person and as a teammate and as a
guy who can add a lot of intangibles. And if
you listen to Brian Dable, and you listen to Shay Tyranny,
and you listen to Mike Kafka and everybody else on

(30:35):
his staff, they'll tell you that's exactly what he's done.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
And the Navis teammates, and a teammate has been asked
about him offense or defense, has nothing but rave reviews
about Jameis way on and off the field. And I
don't one of the Beat reporters even asked him, like, Jamis,
does it bother you that at this point of your career,
when people describe you, they talk more about you, know,

(31:01):
your personality and your like big character at first, instead
of mentioning you as a football player. And he literally
was like not at all, Like, yeah, as you just mentioned,
like he knows what he's done on the football field.
He's like, I am confident in my abilities as a
football player and what I have already done and what

(31:21):
I feel like i'm capable of still doing. But when
I first got into the league, I was not known
as someone that of good character. People thought had this
perception of me, and I did not like the way
that you know, that perception was, and so I've worked
very hard since that year. So it's been ten years.
He's like, I've worked every every year very hard to

(31:44):
change that perception of me, and I have and now
I'm you know, considered this great teammate, good locker room presence,
and I'm he basically said, like, I'm honored that that
is how people describe me. That is what I want
because I know what I can do as a football player.
It's this other part that I felt like people misunderstood
me for a while and now they see me for
who I am, and that's something he was like, that's

(32:06):
something that I'm truly blessed and grateful for. That's all
I want. It's for people to see me for me.
And he's like, this coaching staff, this team, this roster,
they all see me for me, and he's like, that's
the greatest feeling.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
It's easy to see now why the Giants did sign
him to work into this room because they knew that
this room was going to be a mixture of an
older guy. I mean, when they signed Winston, they signed
him to be the number two. They knew they were
going to sign an older guy to be the number one.
And they also knew they were going to have a
young Tommy DeVito in that locker room. And they also

(32:42):
knew they were going to have, probably if they could
get one, a rookie quarterback, and he was going to
be one of those ingredients to put into the stew
to try to make that room better. They knew what
they were getting with him, and I give the Giants
credit for identifying his intangibles. And this is a guy
who was so you know, do you remember the running

(33:03):
back from Carolina Stuart Jonathan Stuart yep. Okay, When Dave
Gettman signed him a lot of people were really down
on it. And even to this day, people were down
on that signing because they look at his stat line.
What they don't know is that that wasn't the primary
reason to sign him. Primary reason he was brought here
was to be a big brother of Saquon Barkley, to

(33:25):
make sure that when Saquon Barkley got here, he had
a mentor, he had somebody to show him the way,
someone who was going to help him be a pro,
make the adjustment to New York as a superstar. And
if you were around Saquon Barkley during his rookie season,
you know how much he shadowed Stuart and how much

(33:46):
he learned from Stuart. And even after years after, when
Stuart was gone, Barkley was still talking about the stuff
he learned from Stuart. Sometimes, folks, guys are signed for
a variety of it's not just the stat line.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, And let's not forget Jameis Winston was signed reportedly
for two years, not just this one season. And again,
the Giants have known all offseason the plan was to
hopefully add a rookie in the draft at some point.
Obviously they got the guy they wanted in Jackson Dart,
but they signed before a month before they were able

(34:23):
to draft Jackson Dart. They signed Jamis to this two
year deal with the think the mindset of not only
will he serve as you know, that veteran presence and
backup quarterback, reliable backup this year, but he can also
help mentor whatever rookie we end up bringing in not
only this year, but the following year, give give whoever,

(34:43):
that rookie ends up being some stability around him in
the quarterback or.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Imagine they didn't know for sure it we're going to
get a rookie. Yeah, so if they didn't, the fact
that Winston was signed for two years meant that, Okay,
we're already looking ahead that if Wilson for whatever reason
doesn't re shign after his one year deal. Because they
were thinking that they were going to try to get
Wilson or Rogers, Okay, let's not kid ourselves, but they

(35:07):
also had an idea of what that contract was going
to be. So by signing Winston to a two year deal,
they now knew that they were going to have a
veteran in the room in twenty six even if they
couldn't get the right terms or the right veteran to
maybe stay as the number one guy. That was the
insurance policy to sign Winston to a two year deal. Yeah,

(35:29):
So that shows you what they thought about him. The
only other thing I wanted to mention from the players,
and I'll let you take a shot. Keevon Thibbodeaux with
tremendous confidence and by the way, he's bulked up too.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I don't know what his weight is at the moment.
Nobody asked him. But he's looking hok he looks big.
He's looking hulk like right now. He's insisting that there's
no pressure on him. He wants to be the best.
He believes he's double digit sack guy and he's going
to get back to doing that this season and is

(36:05):
working as hard as he's ever worked. He is on
a mission. He said, he's got more numbers in his
head this year than he's ever had before about goals
that he wants to set for himself. I think the
guy's possessed and I don't think i'd want to be
a quarterback face in him right now.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, I honestly got the same exact compression. I was
going to say that. He just sounded like a man
on a mission this year, like he understands. He said,
he's like my the first three years of my career
has been very up and down. But I know what
I expect of myself, and I expect to get double
digit sacks every single year. Yeah, he's only gotten that once,

(36:41):
and I mean, from the way he was talking, he
certainly expects to get that double digit number again this year.
Oh yeah, And I think he might not be the
only one on this the Giants defensive front that is
aiming and has a realistic chance at reaching that double
digit mark. I mean, I'm not saying this is gonna happen,
but you got four guys that would not surprise me

(37:03):
at all if any of them or all of them,
probably not all because that would be a lot. But
if any of those, any of those four hit double
digits ACKs, would it surprise you?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
No, no, no final thought on him. And then I
opened the floor to you. Just to piggyback. He said
he watched every snap that he took last year on film.
Felt there were four or five plays where he got
a half a sack where he should have finished it
and got a full sack. And then he said there
were probably another four or five plays where he was
in the backfield and this the tackle and he's like,

(37:36):
that's that's gotta get fixed, you know. I can't leave
those plays on the field. The guys on a mission.
He's motivated. Was there anything else from the players you
wanted to mention?

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Uh? I guess the only other thing with jamis is anytime.
It's every single time he was asked a question and
he gave his answer, it didn't sound like he was
like giving a monologue kind of. He he sounded like
like a I don't know if politician is the right
way to put it, but like every single answer it

(38:08):
was like he was ready to give like a full
He was.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Very heartfelt in every answer.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yes, but I thought it was genuine. That's why I
was like, I don't think this is the right way
to put it, but I just every time he started speaking,
I'm like, this sounds like just like the beginning of
like a long monologue. He's just very well spoken, and
he with that that attribute with his big, person captivating yes,

(38:37):
and he says everything with just the biggest smile on
his face. He does like you can tell that this
man just loves the sport of football and it's truly
grateful that he gets to, you know, make a life
a livelihood at a playing a sport that he clearly
loves so much.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
All right, real quick, we're gonna get to our phone
lines with two oh one nine three nine four five
one three. I just want to mention the Giants Total
podcast is up there on all your favorite podcast platforms again,
all kinds of long form interviews with Giants and NFL personnel.
I go to you once again, Matt. Is there anything
up there that they need to know about special today

(39:13):
that makes it different?

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I don't think there's anything new today.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Nothing new yet today, all right. Usually within forty eight
hours or so, something else is always dripping.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
There might be something later this afternoon, but nothing yet.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Okay, all right, So that's where we stand with that.
John does a great job of corraling those folks. The
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(39:45):
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(40:30):
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(40:52):
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Keeveon Thibodeau says, keep getting better. So does Russell Wilson.
In fact, they all say it. They won't buying in.
They won't buying in.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
That's all you love to see this time year.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Oh well, now we're gonna have to take it down
a notch.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I haven't heard from this guy in a while.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
We're going to start the show with our first call
of the day for a guy who never buys in.
Charlie from Portland, you're first on the show. Hello Charlie.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Charlie.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Hey, hey, Paul, I take care of my grass too,
So I just.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Want to I love taking care of my grass. It's
something my father instilled in me. It's a big thing.
We mow our own lawns in my family.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Hey yeah, I mean I got a bought the lawn
out here.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
You come up, very nice, very nice. I'm impressed.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Excuse me, look, excuse me a cross Thibodeaux as uh,
you know, he's all gone home. He wants to get paid.
Of course, this is a time you know, yes, show up.
He ain't gonna get paid, so of course he's going
to be determined to do this stuff. Right.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Well, yeah, I get it. And he didn't show away
from that, by the way, he said if he said,
if I do better, everything will work out better. And
that's that's as far as he would go in terms
of the contract situation. But to make it clear for
people Charlie who don't understand, the Giants did pick up
his fifty year option. But quite frankly, it's usual business

(42:29):
for teams before that guy gets into play in that
final year to extend him if they're going to extend him, right.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
And also, I mean he knows too that they don't.
He don't usually pay three guys on the defensive line
a lot of money. You're already paying Deck, You're already
saying Burns, it's going to be very hard to pay him.
So you know, I think he knows that too. So uh,
you know, I'll just end that with that. Now, what
I want to talk about is, you know, you know

(43:00):
David was talking about he's doing more seven on seven
because Russell likes seven on seven.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Not entirely, that was not the reason he stated. He
stated it because he thought it was better for all
of the guys on offense, not just Russell. But it's
better for Winston, it's better for Dark more of it.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
That's what I heard. Well, you know, I've never seen
the game where we've had We've played seven on seven,
So seven on seven there's no offensive line, man, there's nothing.
All you got is wide receivers. The bat can't even
touch them because there's no context.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Charlie should waitit, waitit wait wait wait a minute, wait
a minute. What you're criticizing that?

Speaker 4 (43:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (43:44):
No, wait you you're missed the point. These are OTAs.
There's no contact anyway, No line play is regardless, so
why should they add more line play?

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Not only that, but today's practice. I believe there were
four there were fourteen periods, Charlie, there were four, Charlie, Charlie.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Out a touchdown when people are playing seven one because that's.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
What they're doing this time of the year. What else
would we have.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
There's nothing else to watch, Charlie. Honestly, there's nothing else
to watch. You want us to go outside and look
at the wildlife and.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
The swampy path, don't you think whenas rush?

Speaker 1 (44:24):
No, because everyone on the other side of the ball
is paid to be a professional football player, just as
much as the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
But they can't touch the wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
You have, correct, Charlie, Charlie, you've been listening to Charlie,
hold on, hold on, hold on. I appreciate every single
thing that you're saying. But I have said on this
program ever since we started this program that when you
have these mini camps and these spring drills, take it
with a real barrel of salt, not just a grain

(44:54):
of salt, but but a real barrel of salt. I've
been very upfront in saying that. So, why are you
coming at us now? This is crazy?

Speaker 4 (45:06):
I don't know. I think Matt, no.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
He doesn't think that. Charlie.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Every time I've talked about anyone playing well over the
last few weeks, I've literally said this phrase so many times,
take it with a grain of salt, because there's no
contact and it's OTA's I think I've said that at
least four times per show over the last few weeks.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
I'm not gonna let him. I'm not gonna let that happen.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
And Charlie and Charlie today there were four team periods.
I believe one of them was seven on seven. It
was a short early one. Everything else was eleven on
eleven every other day. Maybe there was one day where
they did the first opening seven on seven and then
came back to a seven on seven later in practice
for one extra period. Other than that, it's been a
maximum of one seven on seven period a day. It's

(45:52):
been mostly eleven on eleven.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
And furthermore, Charlie, if you're listening more closely, you would
hear how I've explained more than even the rest of
our crew. I don't value the sack in these drills.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
I don't. I think I think that's I think that.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I'm sorry, but I think you guys overplaced.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
I said it before when I saw I said, but
there's no there's no contact. The offensive line can't touch him.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
So take that for what. Yes, I don't even talk
about them because I don't think there's worth I agree,
there's nothing. It's worthless. We could talk about the athleticism
that we see, but to even say sack is worthless,
I agree with you. I see it a little bit
lesser than than my other cohorts. But that's okay because
they also understand there's not much value in it. I

(46:38):
get that.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
You can. I can I say something wide receivers, sure,
you know, showing out you know how many how many
times we had wide receivers play really well and pre season.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Comes to mind terrific, terrific all preseason receiver and then
never did much during the regular sation. I know, I
get it.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
I think you should slow the role on these undrafted
free agents.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Well, but Charlie, we talk about what we see. We're
not going ahead and saying, oh, this guy's gonna have
a fifteen year NFL career. We're saying he had a
good practice, he's been good the last couple of weeks.
I don't know what we're talking about what we see
a practice. I don't know what you want us to do.
Just not mention plays because it's an undrafted rookie.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
But I just like, this is to me, this is
all fake. This is like nobody's doing.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
But Charlie, here's the problem. We could we could do.
We could give eyewitness accounts on this program, and if
you so decide that you don't want to pay attention
to it, you don't have to listen to the program.
If you don't want to know what's happening on the field,
then don't pay attention.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, it's either we talk about what we see a practice,
or we do more blind ranking shows and have more
fun goofy shows like that instead of Okay, so then
we're gonna talk about what we see it practice, because
that's actually at least some level of actual football.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
No, I understand, I understand that.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Thank you. Hey.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Look look, I just think one thing I liked was
Dabel was a dable. No, it was Shane. He had
an interview with carl Banks and Papa Yeah, and he talked.
He talked about de Vito a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
And Tommy Shotty good Spring.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
I think he really likes them. And I don't know
how they're going to keep him on the rosters, you know,
if they put them on the practice squad, who knows.
He might not be there long. But I'm the guy's
stepping up, and I hope somehow he makes the fifty three.
I don't know how, but I hope he does.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
All Right, Charlie, thanks for the call, all right, take care,
Thanks for getting me all riled up. I'm telling you
two A one nine three nine four five one three.
We have put an asterisk next to all of these
things that we have talked about numerous times. I don't
know how much more clear we can be.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Literally, we've used the phrase take it with the great
assaults at least fifty times in the last three weeks.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
You know, I think the one thing that I will say, okay,
and it's what I look for at these at these
practice sessions, you gain more by the negatives than you
do the positives. In other words, And I was talking
to John think I see us at practice today as

(49:29):
a matter of fact, and because he said to me,
he goes, what do you mean by that? And when
I explained to him, he goes, I know exactly what
you mean now, And you're right. Here's what happens when
you're watching one of these sessions. What you're trying to
really find out. Are there any red flags? Do you
see guys who look lost, who don't appear to know
what they're doing. They're not playing confidently, they're constantly talking

(49:51):
to the coach, and the coaches constantly talking to them.
You can tell from their body language if they're not
doing well or if the coach is really angry and
basically ripping them, you know what, because they're not following
directions and they're not doing what they're supposed to do.
You can see if a guy is constantly dropping passes
in no contact drills. You can see if the quarterback

(50:12):
is constantly missing his target in a non contact drill.
There are things you can see that will light a
red strobe that will say, uh oh, that's not really
good because it should be a given and it should
be an automatic. That's a warning sign. That's not something

(50:34):
you want to have happen. That's what these practices are about.
It's not about all the good stuff because oh that's
all automatically going to translate in September. No, no, absolutely not.
But what you don't want to see, that's what it's about.
What you don't want to see are screw ups. You

(50:56):
see screw ups out here now that could that could
bode badly for your team moving forward if they can't
even get some of the instructions right now.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, I mean, to me, the most important part of
these spring practices, these OTAs mini camp, it's just to
get the team ready for when they arrive for training camp.
It's not the first time that they're doing, you know,
football circumstances with this year's roster. You know, they now
have had three weeks of OTAs. This week, the two

(51:31):
days of mini camp, you know, there was quote unquote
the football school and that was phase two of the
off season program. All of these phases is just to
get the team ready so when they come here at
the end of next month, they are ready to hit
the ground running. Yeah, because when training camp starts, as
you guys all know, that is the actual you know,

(51:51):
wind up to the regular season. Those practices, every one
of those practices matter. Yes, not that these don't, but
those ones matter because it is the actual ramp up
to the regular season to the games that actually count.
Right now, all of this work, all these you know,
the great plays that we talk about, the good quarterback play,
why don'teet play whatever. Of course it's great to see

(52:13):
you'll like it more than the alternative, as you were
just mentioning. But the whole point is just to try
to get Russell Wilson, Jamis Winston Jackson, dr. Tommy DeVito
on the same page with all of their playmakers and
the offensive lined to for those eleven and eleven drills.
You know, they might not be fully blocking, but they
are still you know, basically minus the contact part, doing

(52:34):
what they would be doing on a regular play, even
during these OTAs. So that is the main goal of
this is to just get ready so when you arrive
at the end of next month, everyone on this team
is ready to hit the ground running and really get
ready for the season.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
The two parts of the three things that a coach
requires on every play are doable during these drills. Alignment
and assignment. Those are doable. Okay, that's what these players
are getting graded on alignment and assignment. The third part
that a coach demands on every play is execution. Now,

(53:16):
execution is an incomplete grade because there's no contact. That's
the incomplete grade. But alignment and assignment. You get guys
out here during the spring drills, if they're not screwing up,
they're getting check marks on those boxes. That's good. It
may not carry over to the season. It may not
mean automatically ten wins, but it's better to have to

(53:38):
check boxes than not. That's the whole point. We go
to somebody who knows all about this stuff, Coach Marvin's
online three.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Hi coaching, Paul, How are you doing that?

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Great to talk to you again, how are you coach?

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Yeah? Yeah, let these get up, don't you like?

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Charlie?

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:02):
And then I and I understand it, uh, you know,
and I always say, Charlie, there, Wilson. They have some
good points, but I think they just go overboard with
some of their points, and it's necessary to have OTAs.
I mean, we didn't have OTA's, but the way the

(54:23):
rules were, we couldn't do any hitting the first week,
so we had walk throughs. Then, Paul, you described it
pretty perfectly. We're trying to make sure everybody gets lined
up right and when we're calling plays, it actually can
they run those plays in a manner that we want
to run them. It's almost trying to tea a teach

(54:45):
a child how to drive a car. And if you
if you're trying to teach someone sixteen year olds how
to drive a car, where do you start? You start
in a parking lot somewhere. First you got to get
them understanding the car before you can get them moving it.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
And then and then the next what you do is, okay,
you're ready to get start driving the car. What we're
gonna do. We're gonna go somewhere where's not a lot
of any traffic at all. So a lot of times
you take them in the parking lot in a mall
area with a lot of space and they can't hit anything.
And then once they can figured out how to use

(55:23):
that how to get comfortable driving the car. Then you say, okay,
now that might be time for you to get on
the road a little bit, which is in town, in
a town area somewhere, go a little bit of traffic.
You're not gonna take them right on the highway and
the first day you start trying to teach them how
to drive. You're not gonna take them in the middle
of New York City and try to teach them how

(55:43):
to drive. You gotta go through steps. So these steps,
so what these teams go through. And you got to
remember Wilson, this is his first year here. He's got
to get used to those plays. So he's got to
get used to the guys running routes and the only
way you can see it sometimes without it being cluttered,
especially if you're throwing the ball. So seven on seven

(56:05):
is good. I mean, it's just it's a practice. It's
almost like a walk through during the season. I mean
there's times we go through the seasons. You want to
report on what we're doing in the walk through, you
can do. I mean, I don't have no problem with that,
but it's a walk through that we're going through. So
we have to keep going through that until I can
get them comfortable running those plays until I'm ready to

(56:29):
run live. And that's the part I'm talking about. We're
driving in the parking lot, driving in the neighborhood, but
when it's Tina hit that, we better be ready. So
I think that's an analogy that they probably need to
understand what it is. I think they're just hearing what
you're saying, but they're not listening to what you're saying.

(56:53):
They hear, Matt, you say, oh, that could have been
a sack, but you know your grand as sauce. They
don't hear the grand a saut. They don't even hear
you said fact, and they leave it as that and
they go with that. So I mean, I think people
sometimes just need to calm down a little bit with
this and uh, you know, save themselves a lot of headache.

(57:15):
You know, it's not worth all that talking. But I think, Charlie,
don't do it. They get I don't know if you
make you can make them happy, coach.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Coach, it took you this long to figure that out.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
No, but you try to wait and see. And then
he called sometimes and I heard you say, you know what,
there was an intelligent call that was a good one.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
We try to give him every chance, every chance to
coul out of the quicksand but he just keeps struggling
and singing further and further.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I love Charlie, I love Wilson, you know. But what
they do is they keep us on our toes and
and that's what they do. But they probably need to
take a stick back. And it's going to be hard
to satisfy them, because I don't think I mean, I'm
sure they weren't satisfied the years we won the championships
because we weren't great teams coming into the playoffs and

(58:11):
all those Super Bowls we played in. I think we're
underdogs in every one of them.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
I believe.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Yeah. But coach, I got about a minute to go here,
So if you have something that you wanted to talk about,
please give us a quick minute. And I know you
spent a lot of time on those guys.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Well, only thing I want to do is I was
Game one. I was in the Game one, invited for
the NBA Championship, first time ever being in a professional
championship games. My kid Mark Daknall, congratulating him. He was
my tight end in high school. He coached Oklahoma City,
and I'm just want to just throw out that I'm

(58:48):
proud of them cool and I'm rooting for them to
win it, to win tonight, and I want through just
real quick these last ten seconds. I had a female
GA at the gym. I just want to get her
shut up because it's nothing more. I love nothing more
than talking sports with a female and she actually knows

(59:11):
the game.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
And I'm sure she'll enjoy that hearing that too.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
YI can Coach Martin be well, thank you?

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Coach two o one nine three nine four five one three.
We get females on this program. Yeah, they called, for sure,
but I guess down where coach Marvin lives. Maybe they're
just not very plentiful. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
I don't know. The one thing I gotta yes, slightly
disagree with it, just what he was saying. Yeah, those
guys will never be satisfied. There's one thing that satisfies everything.
We say it all the time.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
The w winning.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Yeah, the win games. There will be less calls like that,
at least I would hope.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
So the great band aid, as they say.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Winning cures everything. Yeah'll get back to it.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
But you know what, you know what if Charlie were
a Patriots fan, right, if you were a Patriots fan,
imagine the pain he would have felt when the Giants
beat them in Arizona. Right, perfect regular season and then
somehow to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Wah, great season. Sorry that last game, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
That would have that would have been like something to behold.
But Charlie is a Giants fan. We're grateful to have
him as part of Giants Nation, and we hope that
he has a much better season this year. That'll do
it for today's edition, A Big Blue Kickoff Live presented
by Cadillac, the official luxury vehicle of the New York
Football Giants, once again, folks, Are you back with me tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
I think I row okay, So I'll have Lance with
me tomorrow at two pm live Eastern Time to do
another one hour show as we recap day two of
Giants mandatory Veteran Mini Camp, the final day before the
coaches and the players take their summer hiatus. But don't fret, folks,
We're still gonna be here on Friday. We'll do another

(01:01:05):
show on Friday, and we'll be here next week as well.
Then down the road we're gonna have a little bit
of a hiatus ourselves, but that'll do it right now
for today, for matt On Paul. We'll talk to you
again next time.