Big Blue Kickoff Live 6/18 | Giants Minicamp Wrap Up

Paul Dottino and Lance Medow discuss everything they saw at the final day of minicamp, talk about what players said at their pressers, and take calls from fans.

:00 - Minicamp chat

33:00 - Calls

42:00 - Jaxson Dart

45:45 - NFC East chat

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(01:05):
keep getting better, So we have reached the initial finish line.
Paul Mini camp wrapping up earlier today, so we will
recap what transpired on day two. As now the team
will break away for a little bit, a little r
and R for the players and the coaching staff before
all of a sudden to start a training camp most
likely the latter part of July. And this is by

(01:28):
far okay, and I know most of our audience understands,
is the toughest next thirty days that Paul Deatino has
to digest experience. I mean, you need to really paint
the picture of what your life is like over the
next month, pain and suffering. Yes, okay, I just I
want to once again this vivid picture.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
This is hard for me, We feel for you. It
is the the Abyss until as Brian Dables said, they
will begin camp on July twenty second. He made that
announcement today.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
And you're counting the minutes and the seconds June eighteenth,
so you got a little over a month at least.
The watch is moving, which means we're getting closer and
closer to coming back at that that's a positive spin.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, this is the Bermuda Triangle for me, I don't
enjoy this month or so. It's it's stinks actually, but
it is what it is. You know, you can't expect
the guys to be working twelve months out of the year.
That's a little much on their bodies, to too much
physical exertion. Everybody needs off and so the good news though, folks, Okay,

(02:39):
remember now the office is closed on Thursday, Juneteenth. A
lot of folks are closed around the country, yep, and
we will be closed, so there'll be no program here.
There will be a WFAN program Thursday night at ten pm.
I juggled my dates a little bit. There will be
John Schmilch and are going to do a mini camp

(03:00):
up show tomorrow night at ten pm on WFAN here
in New York one to one point nine FM and
sixty six AM. We will come back with Big Blue
Kickoff Live and it's regular time on twelve thirty on Friday,
and then we will be here all next week at
our regular twelve thirty pm Eastern time, start with Big

(03:20):
Blue Kickoff Live.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
So at least I.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Have the program and you to get me through this
very difficult time. It's it's I can only imagine it's
got to be ten times worse than Aaron Rodgers in
the dark row.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's it's it can't envision you in a dark cave anyway.
So well, you would drive yourself nuts in utter darkness.
There's no way that you'd be able to survive.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's true your way, But there's utter darkness. There's out
of darkness emotionally, because there's no there's nothing for the
next month, there's nothing. This is emotional. This is the
hole inside my spirit.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, the good news is for the next sixty minutes
we will be able to talk something. Yes, will so
we'll be able to delay the darkness for you. And
I'm so glad I could tell while we're on top
of Actually, one of the things that I wanted to
start with I thought was interesting. Brian Dable was asked
about you know, at the end of a season, there
are always meetings between the coaches and the players right

(04:25):
before they break for the few months, and then all
of a sudden you have the start of spring workouts
and OTAs. But one of the things that Dave's brought
up was that they meet before the spring even starts
with the individual players, specifically the positional coaches and they
set out, Okay, during the spring, this is what we

(04:46):
want you to focus on. This is the facet of
your game that needs to be tweaked. And then he said,
now that mini camp is wrapping up and they're gonna
break for a little bit, they would have another meeting
around this time to say, Okay, this is what you
worked on during the spring, this is what we saw
on film during the workouts. This is what you should

(05:08):
be focusing on for the next thirty days before you
then return for training camp. So I think the way
we always talk about the NFL is it's cyclical, there's
a calendar, there's a breakdown, But you don't hear enough
about coaching staffs talk about the conversations as they break
for these next thirty days other than Paul, don't do
anything I wouldn't do. Make sure you don't steal headlines

(05:32):
right off the field. That's always the emphasis. But I
think what we don't talk enough about is there is
still a focus on. Okay, use these thirty days, yes,
to get away from football, but that doesn't mean that
you can't try to fine tune some of the things
so that you're ready to go come day. One of
training camp.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, Brian Dable was very clear in his underlying message,
and that is, yes, be safe, don't do anything that
will embarrass the organization or your teammates or anything of
that sort. But he also said, we've established a framework
here over the last several months of discipline, of understanding

(06:09):
of what it is you're supposed to do on the field,
the mental reps that you took, the homework that you
underwent and you got done, and don't lose focus and
don't lose track of that. Yes, take some time off,
for sure, you get the time off as required by
the league CBA, but don't get off track. Do retain

(06:32):
some of what you've learned in the last couple of months.
Because when we get the training camp, he was very
clear about this, we get the training camp, you got
to be ready to go because the season's right around
the corner and you can't waste too much time trying
to ramp up again.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Because you don't want to go backwards. You want to
surge ahead and build off of what you at least
established here during the course of the spring. So that
was one of the interesting nuggets that at least came
out of the conversation from Brian Dable. We heard a
few players speak to the media after practice, and we
heard from the other half of the quarterback room. The

(07:08):
other day. We heard from Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston.
So today was about Jackson Dart and Tommy DeVito and
the main takeaway that at least I get from just
listening to all the quarterbacks, and I think it's evident
based on once again the limited work on the field,
There's only so much you could read into, but it
is a very healthy quarterback room. Not to say that
previous quarterback rooms, Paul were detrimental to the team. I

(07:31):
don't want people to misinterpret, but you could just tell
that there is the competitive fire within the group, but
there's also a genuine likeness amongst all of them. And
even Tommy DeVito and Jackson Dart spoke of the vets.
They take the younger guys out for dinner, they interact
a lot.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
And they pay to the foot.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
But well, I would hope, if you're Tommy, do you
know Jackson Dart, I would hope that ross Send Winston
would pick up the bill. This is not their first rodeo,
first contract.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
When the league I believe Tommy said they're well off.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yes, that was the exact phrase that he utilized, correct,
But he also joked that there is a big age disparity,
though somewhat within the group, right because you have the
two veterans who are married have families, whereas the two
young guys are out in about and so forth. But
despite the differences, whether it be from a financial perspective

(08:23):
or from an experienced perspective, there still seems to be
a really strong bond amongst them. There is, and I
take that away as I'm sure the coaching staff would
tell you, specifically Brian Dabo, Mike Kafka, and Shay Tyranny,
that you know, that's something that should be able to
help everybody, even the old guys learning from the young
guys vice versa, as opposed to the stream going the

(08:45):
opposite direction.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I don't know if you're going to agree with this,
but I think part of the reason that that environment
has developed is because the Giants' front office and coaching
staff clearly define the roles for each one of these
four quarterbacks from the very beginning. When they signed Winston,
he was told, it's a two year contract and you're
the number two. He wasn't brought in here to be

(09:09):
the number one. He was brought in to be the two.
And he was told that and oh, by the way,
you know, there's a real good chance that we might
wind up getting one in the draft too, so understand
you'll be the two. When they brought in Russell Wilson,
it was clear you're coming here to be the starter.
And it's a one year contract, sure, so understand that

(09:32):
unless circumstances change, you're here to start. Yes, we want
you to win as many games as you can, but
you're also going to help mentor the guy who eventually
is supposed to be your successor. There were no facades here.
There were no curtains or mystery agendas. They were very
clear up front with each of these guys. This is

(09:52):
what your role is on the team. When Tommy DeVito,
you know, came back this year, you know he was restricted,
he was going to be here anyway. He comes back
and he understood what happened. He saw they sign Wins,
then he saw they signed Wilson. He knew there was
a chance they were going to draft a rookie. And

(10:13):
what did he say to us today, I'm not worried
about my position in the room. I'm trying to do
everything I can to be here as long as I
can possibly be here, and then it'll play out as
it plays out. What a healthy attitude. You don't have
anybody in that room who is confused about what their

(10:35):
role is and what is the other role that Tommy
DeVito has. It was explained to everybody from the beginning. Tommy,
you've been here for two years already. You know the playbook.
You know what Brian Dable, Mike Kafka, and Shade Tierney want.
Part of what your job is going to be this
offseason is to acclimate those new guys as we bring

(10:58):
them in into the Giant its way. He embraced it. Okay, fine,
that's what I'll do and we'll just see how it
plays out. Tommy DeVito knows he's good enough to play
in the NFL. He does lance, There's no doubt he
knows it. He's won games in this league before under
very difficult circumstances. He knows that if the Giants don't

(11:21):
have room for him and they have to waive him
at the fifty three, which in all likelihood is the
most plausible scenario. Sure, he's gonna have a job because
he's either gonna get picked up by somebody else off
of waivers, because there is no doubt he is one
of the best number number three quarterbacks. You want to
call him a number three, which is what I think.

(11:43):
He is a very good number three quarterback, and about
half the teams in this league are going to keep three.
I'll tell you right now, I think the Jets would
have an upgrade if Tommy DeVito were brought down there.
He'd be an upgrade for their number three. I'll tell
you that right now, hands down. So he knows he's
going to get a job in this league, and if
he doesn't get claimed, guess what practice quad he'll stay here.

(12:06):
The Giants will keep him. Brian Dable's not going to
kick him out on the street. So I just think
that having clearly defined rules for each of these guys,
and each of those men understanding but also being okay
with the instructions has allowed the room to really kind
of gel and bond and have fun. As Tommy said,

(12:29):
it's a fun room. Every one of these quarterbacks talk
about how much they admire each other, and they've learned
something from each of the other guys and they're enjoying themselves.
I give credit to the front office and the coaching
staff for setting up the climate to make that happen.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
But that's critical to your point because there's a lot
of times where you have three or four guys at
a quarterback room and it's presented is okay, there's an
open competition and the lines are blurred.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
What do you think is going on in the Cleveland
quarterback room?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well, that's another good example. Yeah, because there's so many
different quarterbacks on different wavelengths and periods of their career
and really not a defined legitimate starter. Is it Kenny Pickett,
Is it Joe Flacco? You know who's even in the
number one seat before you then get to the rookies
that they just drafted. So the dynamics are very different.
But I want to highlight what you were talking about

(13:20):
with respect to Tommy DeVito. I don't want to say
he has a luxury because that's misleading. You can't take
your spot for granted. But I do think his mindset
is in a healthy place because I think he feels
good about his outlook even if he doesn't make the
fifty three man roster for the Giants because he understands, Okay,
this team values my knowledge of the offense, and there's

(13:42):
a spot for me within the organization, even if once
again I'm a member of the practice squad. The best
case scenario would be, Okay, you don't make the Giants roster,
you make another team fifty three.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
He'd welcome that, sure, But the worst case scenario is
really not a worst case scenario for you because you
can revert back to the team that helped develop you.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Tommy DeVito is going to be a part of the
NFL one way or the other this season. I feel
very comfortable saying that. I don't think he is going
to be out of a job.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
But I think the most attractive aspect of that with
respect to job security is you've got at least the
fallback option here with the Giants. And I'm not saying
it's locked, and I'm not saying that any promises were
made to Tommy DeVito. Okay, Paul and I are still
speculating at the same time. No, make that clear, Okay,
there is no definitiveness. But I think if you connect
the dots and how much they value him and what

(14:33):
he brings to the team. It's not a stretch to
say he could very well find himself back in the
fold on the practice squad, And not many fourth or
fifth quarterbacks who are in camp can say that they
have that as a legitimate.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Option well, because usually the guys in that spot are
either eager to get a change of scenery, to try
to get another opportunity somewhere else, thinking it'll be a
better chance in terms of a promotion, or honestly, maybe
they're not as giving and as cooperative. I mean Tommy
DeVito's willingness to share, willingness to teach, willingness to help

(15:10):
the rest of the room. That says a lot about
his character, and it says a lot about the Giants
that they would want him around to do that, because, look, Lance,
they knew what they were going to do with this
offseason quarterback room. They could have very easily said Tommy,
you're not gonna fit here. You know, we don't think

(15:30):
it's a good dynamic to even have you in the
room because you know, maybe you probably have higher aspirations
and we don't think it'll mess well with what we're
trying to build.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
And we want a fresh slate.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
They could have got rid of them, Yeah, but they didn't.
They trusted him enough and they like him enough as
a as a person, as a player, as a teammate
that they wanted him here.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
The other thing that I picked up on that Tommy
mentioned he was asked about the relationships that Dynah and
by the way, a side note, how many times do
you think Russell Wilson in conversation with Jackson darn and
Tommy DeVito. The sentence starts, when I was younger and
I watched you on television. How many times do you
think that phrase comes up? And I wonder whether or

(16:15):
not Russ like he probably chuckles, but it's got to
wear on you at a point where you start feeling old. No,
when you're sharing a quarterback room with a kid that
was what five or six years old when you started
out playing football. I mean, it's God. And I'm gonna
even talk about the NFL because the way I'm gonna
circle this back around is DeVito said. The other way
that he relates to Russell Wilson is not just seeing

(16:38):
him in the Super Bowl when it was at MetLife
Stadium and complaining about the roads were shut down that's
actually what irritated of the most of all things. But
I thought the other thing that was appealing was Tommy Mitchine.
The reason why I also relate to Russell Wilson is
like him, I transferred in college, yes, genor that, and
that I thought was, you know, something that I didn't
necessarily think about on the surface. But he said, you know,

(17:00):
I saw a guy that went to multiple programs, and
you know, Russell Wilson was at nc State, then went
to Wisconsin, and then Tommy DeVito was at Syracuse, went
to Illinois. And I thought that was something that doesn't
get brought up enough about that you can see what
Russell did in navigating his career before he even made
it to the NFL. And yeah, I'm not saying that

(17:21):
they are following equivalent scripts. Clearly they're not. But maybe
Tommy realized, Okay, Russ made that decision, it worked out
well for him. So that's why I figured I can
take the risks to Jackson Dart. Sure Dart as well,
no doubt about it. But I guess Tommy's maybe seen
it through some different lenses because he's been in the NFL.
So that's why I thought maybe they could relate to

(17:42):
one another a little bit more, maybe more so than
Dart at this point.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Look, the only thing that I'd want to say from
a forest perspective, let's take a step back from the trees,
just to Tad, is that as the Giants break camp
today and they send the coaches and the players off
for their summer hiatus, there's a really good vibe right now.
Guys feel like they've put in a good spring of work.

(18:05):
They feel like they've gotten a lot accomplished. They feel
like they have really started to bond and gel together.
They feel unified, and there's a tremendous amount of optimism. Now.
It does not automatically translate to victories. You and I
talked about this when we were in practice today.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
We had this exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
It does not automatically translate. But to check those boxes
is better than to leave them empty. And really that's
as simple as it is. Right now. You don't want
to overplay what has happened, but you do need to
recognize it.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Well, speaking of outlook, few other things that I want
to bring up takeaways from media sessions. We also had
an opportunity to listen to the defensive assistance speak to
the media, and you're clearly optimism a big theme, which
is natural this time of the year, and there's only
so much you could take away from production, even through
their lens. But when Charlie Bollen spoke to the media,

(19:02):
and he is the Giants outside linebackers coach, he was
focusing on, of course Abdul Carter, and one of the
questions that came up, Paul was, from your time in
the league, from studying NFL talent, are there players that
you can maybe throw out just as a mere comparison
to Abdul Carter, not in terms of what he's going

(19:22):
to become, but his skill set. And he threw out
two names that clearly will be notable to our audience.
One was his son Reddick, the Giants have seen up
close to personal when he was.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
With Eagles many times actually with the Cardinals too punish
the Giants.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
And a son Reddicks teammate in Arizona for a little bit,
Chandler Jones. Those were the two players that he threw out,
and the character trait that he was highlighting is the
length Chandler Jones lengthy player. But Reddick was not known
as being a big guy. Every time he was on
the football field, but still had a knack for powering

(19:59):
his way to the quarterback. So that's why he brought
up both of those players in terms of who comes
to mind with respect to Abdul Carter, and that's pretty
high praise. Okay, before Abdul Carter right even steps on
the field. I mean, he didn't bring up complimentary guys.
He brought up two premier pass rushers in their own right. Now.

(20:22):
Bullen has spent twelve years in the NFL, so he's
seen his fair share of players on a variety of
different teams, and it was interesting to just once again
get his perspective on that. The other thing that he
threw out was he was asked because the assistants do
a lot of heavy lifting in scouting these players in
addition to the scouting department, and he was specifically asked,

(20:43):
was there a moment when you knew Abdul Carter was
going to be the guy at pick three or that
you said to yourself, there's no doubt. If he's available,
they should absolutely go after him. And he said, I
want to say I think he threw out like January
eighteenth is a day he edited specifically down to a
D and he mentioned it was one of his kid's birthdays,

(21:05):
so you know that's why he remembers that day vividly
but clearly. Carter, through the draft process, before he even
got an opportunity to coach him, left a very strong
impression on members of the coaching staff, specifically Bowling.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Well, he said, the thing about Carter that stands out,
He said, the best pass rushers, the guys who are
really natural at it, It's more about their mentality than
their traits. He said. You have to have the skills,
you do need the traits, but the mentality is what
sends them over the top. And he said, particularly about Carter,

(21:42):
his nastiness and his grit and his desire to finish
the play, those are the things that make him special
and allow him to raise his level of play another notch.
And then I thought the other thing that was interesting.
I talked to Andre Patterson, the defensive line coach, who,
as you know, has also specialized in teaching past rushers.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yep, when he was with Minnesota, specifically.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
No doubt, and in talking to him about Carter, let me,
let me let me give you something here, because he
said he's gonna work with him in third down situations.
Bullen loses Carter and he's got to go to Patterson,
and Patterson works with him a little bit too. He said, Look,
he's explosive, he's quick, and he's sudden. But the thing
that he likes about him, and it's it's pretty good

(22:26):
when you have two coaches who say they have two
different things that are so elite that make the guy special.
That's that's a plethora of skills. He says. His natural
ability to win at the top of the rush is
what makes him special. Very few have it, and a
lot of guys it takes them two to three years
to learn it. He said. As soon as I saw

(22:48):
this guy, I knew he had it. And by the
top of the rush we're talking about when you make
your initial move and you get past your you're a blocker,
could be a could be a tackle, could be a
running back. You get past your tackle, and now the
top of the rush is where you actually make the bend,
you make the turn, and you actually make that move

(23:12):
to finish off the quarterback. You make that geometric angle
that boom. Now I got him. You know, I'll be
frank with you for me. I've been impressed with his
quickness and his fluid fluidity. I said yesterday on the show.

(23:34):
I think it was yesterday. You see the movie Terminator
Too and the guy the bad guy who is the
like silver liquid bad guy and then he turns into
the policeman.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
He's a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Abdul Carter reminds me of the silver liquid guy in
in Terminator Too because of his incredible fluidity. He's so
fat and so smooth when he makes his moves that
it's almost like does he have joints? You know? And look,
we've seen dancers, the Shakira, the pop star.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Okay, wow, I can not expect right, Terminator two in
Shakira will moves turning into You're the one transform.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
No, but the moves that that woman makes, right, she
does like these moves that are like wow, you look
at that.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
You know that she's got rhythm, no doubt. Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
So Abdul Carter has this inate ability to make moves
that look like they should be difficult or should at
least be slower than they are, and he just glides
right through them with like you know, five cans of oil,
just just does it effortlessly and that's what I see

(24:55):
in Abdul Carter. But you know, these guys have coached
it a long time and they see these other things
that are even more special. I can't wait to see
this guy play a game for the giants. I've seen
this tape at Penn State. I can't wait to see
him play here.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Well, following your theme, eventually it will be judgment day
for ab Dull Carter.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
That's very good.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Thank you. I'm here all week. Well maybe not, but
you get the point. Robert Patrick, by the way, the
actor that played the shape Shifter in terms of.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Was that his name, the shape Shifter?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Well, that's how I would describe for somebody that has
not seen the film. I mean, that's essentially they describe it.
I brought it up online. An advanced shape shifting proto
type terminator composed of liquid metal. The T one thousand
was the specific the.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
T one thousands.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
So maybe that's a potential nickname from dual Carter one thousand.
Maybe keep that in the back burner, depending on how
things pan out, Maybe it could be fitting.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
That's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah, we might not. Well, we're gonna mark that down.
June near two thirty pm. Eastern. We may have adopted
a new nickname from Dull Carter. We'll get back to you.
Keep that on the back burger, yes, sir, yes, But
in all seriousness, getting back to Andre Patterson, we spoke
to him. He came in very late. He did was
like a last second, but he said a lot of

(26:17):
good things when he was talking. I was also that's
why I brought the Vikings, because he's had the luxury
of coaching a lot of good guys, and I think
they're different players. But if you look at the trajectory
of Daniel Hunter when he was a young guy. Now,
Hunter was a later pick than of Dull Carter. Okay,
we're talking about a third rounder. But if they can

(26:38):
get what they got out of Hunter in Minnesota, I
don't think anybody would be complaining with respect to this building.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
No, not at all, because.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
That turned out to be a very good pick and
an even better pro under the circumstances. Speaking of development,
the other thing that was interesting to hear was Jermaine
Luminor spoke to the media. Evan Neil came up and
Illumino is a good guy to hear from because he's
played guard and tackle, so.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
And he's also very open and honest, correct, very frank
with his opinions. He doesn't pull back one d P.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
But it's always good to hear from an individual that's
been there and done that, I guess is my point.
You know, if they were talking to Andrew Thomas, not
to say that Thomas, but Thomas is more of a
tackle guy. Okay, Illuminor can relate to what Evan Neil
is going through. And Illuminor even mentioned when he came
to the Giants, you know, moving to a different position,
and how even when you go from right tackle to

(27:33):
left tackle vice versa, that's no picnic. He was saying
that in order to play guard in this system, and
you add whatever you thought was even more fascinating, He said,
you gotta be a smart player in this offense. That
was specifically before he even talked about legwork and footwork
and hand placement and whether or not your lengthe can

(27:54):
backfire on you. A tall guy like Evan Eil. He mentioned,
you gotta have it up here as I point to
my head, and I think it says a lot about
what's on the plate of guards within this system.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
He mentioned two other huge factors in making the transition.
Besides that, he said, you have to have patience because
there's a different level of patience to play guard and
there is to play tackle because of the speed at
which the moves are made against you and how you
have to play off the snap. Yep, that was a
very very critical point to him. And then the other one,

(28:29):
which he emphasized three times. He says, you have to
have the want to the desire to be able to
make the switch because if you don't, it's going to
be even more difficult for you. And he said that
Evan Neil has embraced it. He's listening to the coaches,
he's absorbing it, and he wants to be a successful guard.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
You brought up the term patients, but at the same time,
Iluminor also said the decision making occurs so much faster, yeah,
on the interior than the exterior. Because one of the
things he mentioned is you're going up against a guy
like Decks, You're not going up against Brian Burns or
a Duel Carter. So the power bang comes right at you. Well,

(29:14):
you'll have to be able to react a little bit
differently than maybe the split second or so that you
have when you have more room to operate off of
the edge.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, the patience level is again that's what he said
because for example, and he didn't use this, but it
builds off for what you just said. If you're playing
tackle and you're facing a wide nine technique, you've got
to split second more to decide what your move is
going to be, how you're gonna set up what your
counter might be because they're playing a wide nine. Sure,

(29:45):
when you're playing guard, there's somebody right there breathing right
up your nostril, right on top of you. I mean,
there's no time. The ball is snapped and immediately you've
got to have your move. There's no delay in making
your decision. You need to know what you're going to do.
So that's why he said, there's there's a there's a

(30:06):
patience adjustment whether you're playing guard or tackle. It's a
it's a component that a lot of people don't even
think about.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
But I guess not to say that you were off key,
but I just wanted to clarify the patient's term because
I guess when I hear patients or maybe some other divisions,
they think, oh, patients, you have the luxury to wait,
watch and.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
See no, no, no, he wasn't two positions. This is
what he was saying.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, meaning the internal clock correct is sped up immensely
when we're talking about the interior. And listen, you and
I have had conversations on this very program about Evan Neil,
and it's the combination of the power and just the
size of the interior defensive lineman that he's going to see.
And also just once again, when you're a tall player
like Evan Neil and you're in a tighter space, where

(30:51):
is your comfort level in terms of your positioning? You know,
can you operate when you have lack of space? A
lot of people have been brought in bringing up, oh,
well this is great. You know Evan's got more guys
next to him that he could rely on. Well, you know,
they also have their own assignments. Let's not forget about that. Okay,
they're not all of a sudden dropping everything. And Andrew
Thomas is not gonna say, oh, well, the hell with

(31:12):
the edge rusher. I can worry about who Evan Neil
has to pick up. And John Michael Schmitz is like, well,
I don't have to worry about the guy over the center.
I can move over to my left. Oh, it doesn't
work like that. So you know, that's the ebbs and
flows and the game of chess checkers, however you want
to label it, that Evan Neil is going to have
to go through. And while he now has the time

(31:32):
to adjust from a mental standpoint, the true test is
going to come in training camp when the pads come on.
And now the physicality adjustment has to match wits with
the mental part of the game, and that remains to
be seen. But Illuminar at least brought his own philosophy,
having been through scenarios where he has jumped back and forth.

(31:54):
All right, let's open up the phone lines as we
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lines and we check in. Let's go to Jacob in
Birmingham to start here on BBKO, what's happened to Jacob?
What do you got for us? And Jacob's in Binghamton.

(32:37):
I'm sorry, I said Birmingham mind games to myself. Yes,
but a lot of miles between that. There is a lot, yes,
and also many many states. Yes, he is in New York.
He's not in Alabama, just in case anybody is keeping
on his whereabouts.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
If Vaca snow in Birmingham, it's an.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Issue, Yes, indeed. But with that being said, yes, Jake,
we're doing very well. What's on your mind?

Speaker 4 (33:00):
I just had like a kind of kind of a
bold prediction. But I'll start off with I have high
hopes for the season. I just hope that the injury
bug that has kind of plagued us in previous years
doesn't hit again.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
I think everybody holds that across the league.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Go ahead, Jacob, Okay, Yeah, and my prediction is some
leveled it kind of relies on us staying healthy. That's
kind of why I mentioned that. But I have us
going three and three in the division, and my basis
on that is US sweeping Washington and stealing one from
the Cowboys. I don't think we're at the level to

(33:41):
compete with the Eagles just yet, and I have a
feeling that Washington will take a fairly large step back
this season with teams somewhat figuring out. Jayden Daniels will
have to see, but that's my prediction, and I'll see
what you guys have to say off of it.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Jake appreciate the phone call.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Won't take long to find out if he's right.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Well, they've got Washington Dallas right off that.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, absolutely, really look, I agree that Washington will likely
take a step back. I do think having a full
off season of tape on the quarterback is going to
is going to hinder them somewhat. How much of a
step back, I don't know, because they certainly added some

(34:27):
players on that team. Now, they did very well with
their trades and their free agency. You know, maybe not
so much in the draft, but they found a way
to get some good guys on that team.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
And there's a lot more familiarity because remember that was
year one for Dan Quinnick, so they're benefiting from that.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't know how far back they'll come, but I
do think they'll slip a little bit. Is it enough
for the Giants to take them? Look, the Giants battled
them tough last year. It wasn't like they were outclassed. Unfortunately,
they were outclassed when they played Philadelphia. So I don't
think your logic is so far off base that it

(35:06):
can't happen.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
No, Well, I will say this, three and three is
the minimum if you want to remain competitive within the division. Yeah, okay,
you can't afford to go lower than that. And I'm
actually I just brought up the standings from last season
just out of curiosity. Who that went three and three
in the division actually still wound up not winning the
division but making the playoffs. And the only team that

(35:31):
fit that bill, which is not a surprise given how
tough this division is the Pittsburgh Steelers. They went three
and three in the division. But here's the thing. They
went ten and seven overall, So you do the math. Okay,
they had seven wins outside of the division. See, remember
when we went to the seventeen game slate. We've had

(35:53):
these conversations. I don't want to say it's diminished the
value of divisional play. That would be misleading because you
still need that from a tie break perspective. But it
also put more of an emphasis on you still got
to take care of business outside of the division. You
could go six and oh in the division, you lose
all your other games. What difference does it make? But

(36:13):
the difference is the Steelers. It is why I'm highlighting Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh still had a very respectable record despite a five
hundred mark within the division. And I'm just finishing scrolling through.
Wanted to see the rest of the NFC, and nobody
at three and three made the playoffs in the NFC.

(36:34):
So the Pittsburgh Steelers the loan team, and just as
a means of let's go back one more year, Paul,
just as a means of comparison to have a slightly
bigger sample size in twenty twenty three, let's see if
anyone Baltimore won the division. Notice that we're coming back
to the AFC North where they beat the living you
know what out of everybody each other. So the Ravens

(36:57):
won the division. They were three and three. They won
teen games. Overall, they have ten wins outside of the division,
outside of Baltimore, as I continue to go down the list,
nobody else. So the last two years, we have had
one team in each season that has gone three and

(37:17):
three within divisional play, and they both come out of
the AFC North, which I think says a lot about
the state of that division.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, it does, for sure. Look, the bottom line is
Bill Parcells always used to tell us, and it was
not a secret, and it's like, okay, listen, if you
want the easiest pathway to make the playoffs, win just
win your division. Okay, just win your division and split
the rest of your games, and you'll have a really

(37:45):
good chance to get in. Odds are heavily in your
favor that you'll you'll make the playoffs. But you gotta
win your you gotta win your division games. Okay. Of course,
if you finish first and clinch the division title, you
automatically in, so that that goes without saying. But it
was about winning your division games. I mean, think about it.

(38:07):
If you can go four and two again winning the division,
I'm not talking about the division title, No, you'nsiona winning record,
winning records. If you're four and two, four and two,
all you've got to do is win five more games
outside of the division. That's it. Five you go four

(38:31):
and two, you win five games outside your division. Okay,
Now that means you can lose six other games and
still have a chance to get in. I mean, I
get it. I get it. Of course, when Bill was coaching,
it was only sixteen games, but correct a man, it

(38:51):
was a little bit different.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
But the point they still will taken. And just in
response to the last caller, which once again I would
agree with you, Paul, I don't think it's a major
bold prediction, but there's one factor that's going to decide
whether or not three and three is even feasible. And
to me, it's more on the offense than the defense. Sure,
can you score against your divisional foes? Now you could
tell me, well, they had problem scoring against every team.

(39:13):
But as I bring up last season, okay, you mentioned
the Washington games were close. They were both games were
decided by five points or less. But they scored eighteen
points in the first game, they scored twenty two in
the second. Paul, that's just not going to cut it
when you're going up against you know, pretty good offenses
with the division. Then you go to the Dallas games,
fifteen in the first game, second game twenty, Okay, so

(39:35):
that means they scored twenty or less in both games
against the Cowboys. Then the Eagles first game three, second
game thirteen. So thirteen or less. That to me, and
I'm not making it into simplistic terms, that's the reality.
If you want to go three and three within divisional play,
then minimum you've got to prove that you can get

(39:56):
within that twenty two to twenty three point barometer consists.
If you can't do that, then that makes three and
three even that much more challenging.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Well, again, we talked about this many times. The last
time the Giants made the playoffs in twenty twenty two,
they averaged almost twenty three points a game. I believe
that was the number that years. That's a legitimate number.
You could do something with your season if you can
score that many points a game. But when you start

(40:25):
getting down into the twenty nineteen eighteen range, I'm sorry,
but your ship's taken on water.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Terminator Shakira Bode analogies. Paul Detino does not disappoint Remember
we still have to cross off maybe a food item
before we wrap up here, comic. Okay, see, I only
build up the drama here on this program. Speaking of drama,
let's head back to the phone lines. Let's check in
with Cliff in New York here on BBKL. What's happening Cliff?
What do you got for us?

Speaker 5 (40:56):
Hey, guys? Before I ask ask a question about Jackson Dart,
I wanted to say that even though our new number
three draft pick is not a shape shifter like Jason
Patrick's Robert Patrick's character in The Terminators, you don't know,

(41:17):
even though he's wearing the same uniform and has the
same appearance, you don't know if he's coming at you
as an inside linebacker, an interior defensive lineman, or an
edge rusher. So he might as well be a shape shift,
you know, shape shift.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
That's it. Well, he'll certainly be moved around within the defense.
That point is well taken. Yep.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Yeah, let me run this by you about Dart. I
kind of wasn't paying much attention to the quarterback situation
running up to free agency and the draft because there
seemed to be such a big consensus all across the
expert world that outside of the guy who did get
draft at number one, there wasn't much to invest in.

(41:58):
And I'm wondering if at that particular time, the giants,
the table and his staff in particular already had a wild,
wildly different perspective on Jackson Dart and that thought that
they didn't have to wait for a quarterback class as
good as the one last year where the top three guys,

(42:20):
tops eight guys didn't did very well. Uh and uh
it was it was just like something to learn from
in there that that each team is doing their own
scouting and their own uh research, and their and their
own evaluations. And even though the experts worked their tails

(42:40):
off to try to be informed for the fans, and
I have a lot of respect for them, it seems
like it seems like Jackson was was in the mind
of the Giants as good as they could as good
as they could hope for.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
They have said that multiple times in interviews over the
last several months they had Dart targeted very very early
in this process. Now without them actually coming out and
putting it in skyrider terms, if you piece together all
of the different things that have been said by Daboll
and by the coaching staff and by Joe Shane. It's

(43:17):
clear that you know, they did at least put in
an inquiry to see if they could get the top
pick with Tennessee, because cam Ward was the consensus number
one pick in this draft, and so I think it's
fair to say that, you know, he was the top
quarterback on their board and almost everybody else's, if not
all thirty two teams. Having said that, it was also

(43:41):
very obvious from all the pieces that you can piece
together that the Giants felt all along Jackson Dart was
a very strong number two. And they have done nothing
to dispel that notion. Because even Joe Shane, as we know,
his daughter goes to Old miss and he said he
had been down there and he had seen him many

(44:01):
many times. I mean, this is a guy who, in
the back of their minds, it's clear to me that
if Ward wasn't going to fall to them in whatever
spot they landed in this draft, it's clear to me
that Dart was the next guy they were going to
make an effort to try to nail.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
And appreciate the phone call, Cliff, thanks for giving us
a ring. I would say this anytime you're concerned that
if you don't move up, the player is not going
to be on the board. I would say that tells
you all you need to know about how they felt
about Jackson dart right. I mean, why would you give
up resources to move up if you felt that he

(44:40):
would probably maybe land if you just stayed put in
the second round?

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Well, we didn't believe that. We've heard of the nervousness
in the room from some of the folks who have
spoken publicly and said, you know, they were getting down
to the twenties and you know, Joe's making phone calls.
In fact, one of the interviews that I saw with Joe,
he said, you know, we had a deal with another
team in the early twenties there and it fell through,

(45:05):
and the giants started to get worried, like, oh what
if he doesn't keep falling, are we going to be
able to get him? And then finally Houston came through
by accepting a deal for pick twenty five.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Let's head back to the lines. We got Len in Columbia,
Maryland here on BBKL. What's happening, Len?

Speaker 6 (45:23):
Hey, guys, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
You're right? We'll tell you mind?

Speaker 6 (45:26):
Good, good, good, I just want to tell you I've
really enjoyed your conversation. I guess it's a couple of
weeks now at all for you. We're having on you know,
how the Giant stacked up in the division by position
the Yeah, it's a really really good conversation based on

(45:47):
that conversation that you guys were having. Would you be
surprised if one team went six to zero in the
division our division and the other three teams went to and.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Four, Well, I'd be surprised. I think Philly lost a
lot of talent that maybe is not being discussed enough
about on the defensive side of the ball. I still
think they're good enough to perhaps pull off a six
h zero record, But if you were to ask me
to classify it as surprising given what they've lost, I'd
be surprised. I mean, five and one, I could see

(46:19):
four and two, but for somebody to go undefeated, I'd
still be surprised.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
Okay, okay. I thought the conversation was kind of leaning
in that direction, and I wasn't being critical. I just
kind of read into it that that's really what you
were talking about, that you know when you look within
the division that I mean the Eagles were overwhelmingly the
best team in the division. But okay, thank you for
clarifying that. Lance answer another question, are you somewhat surprised

(46:49):
that they have moved Neil to left guard and essentially
said if you know, behind Runion and I hope Runyan's healthy,
but that they moved them to left guard and essentially said,
you know, if you're going to make this team, or
if you want to start on this team, you got
to beat out Runyon. I would have thought the right

(47:12):
side might have had you know, the side that he
came from, might have had a better chance. I mean,
you know, Greg Van Roten, I mean, you know, he's
on the back nine. I'm not sure how much more
we're going to get out of him. And got the
undrafted tree agent two. They appear to be very high
on there.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I think I need to stop.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
There a chance to beat out Van Roten that Neil does. Yeah,
I think I need to stop surprise that they moved
him to the left side.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Neil has worked both at left guard and right guard
during the spring. He's worked out of both spots. He's
taken more snaps at left guard because run Your has
missed most of the time there this spring. Okay, we
understand that. You know, he's been here, but he hasn't
necessarily gone out on the field and taking team snaps.

(48:00):
So because of that reason, there's more snaps available at
left guard. So they've worked Neil more at left guard
than right guard, but he has worked both sides. I
was talking to Lance earlier this morning and I said, Lance,
there are six six guards fighting for the two starting spots,

(48:21):
and that's Neil's one of those six. Well, you have
to consider u Kubas is part of this mix, so
is Stinny. You know, you've got the flex Neil's part
of the mix. You got the flexibility with Bo who
is working primarily at tackle but has the flexibility to

(48:42):
move inside. And then is and is Zudu, who is
right now the jack of all trades and has worked
at every position. Yeah, and that and that's a side
from the two guys who started last year in Van
Roten and Runying.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
So he got six guys. And listen before you jump
back in. Another thing that I just want to clarify
is remember edwid Neil played left guard in college and
part of the mindset also was that not to say
that he can't. You're right, he's coming from the right
side in terms of right tackle. Just for our audience understands.
But they felt, and Carmen Brisillo even spoke about this
the other day, that he at least had the comfort

(49:20):
of being at guard on the left side in college,
and they figured that was a good starting point because
there was some comfort level there.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
Okay, I would assume if you make it as a
backup guard, you have to be able to play.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
The play book without a doubt. And that's why, to Pall's.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
Point, he might carry four guards.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
You know.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
Kind of an interesting thing on Stinny. When Stinny played
last preseason and it was a messy preseason for the
offensive line. As you guys, it was awful, you know
what I mean. We were moving guys around, people were hurt,
you know, all that kind of thing. When Stinny played,
I thought he was the best offensive layman. I thought

(49:56):
he was the best offensive layman that got on the field.
The guy was steady and really kind of did his job.
I mean, you know, he made the fifty three and
didn't get to play till the end when again the
injury bug really hit is But Sinny is not a
bad player. I thought that was a pretty good I
thought that was a pretty good pickup, Paul. Only do
I want to go to Lance first? There was something

(50:17):
about us about coach Patterson in talking about Carter. It
seemed like he he said, Carter's in the edge room.
Did you hear he's mostly working? He wasn't really a

(50:38):
candidate right now? No, no bullying inside linebacker.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Yeah, bullying.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Bullen is the edge guy or the outside linebacker guy.
He gets Carter now, he's in fact, he's got him exclusively. Now,
he's got him all the time. But but when they
do certain situations, third down situations, that's and Andre Patterson said,
I get to work with him on certain throw down packagings.

(51:05):
But in the base defense, he's with Bullen.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
They've done that with Thibodeaux too, when Thibodeau was drafted.
He was a bit interchangeable in working with both rooms.

Speaker 6 (51:14):
Yeah, okay, let me, Paul. I may have misread it,
and you don't. You don't have to go back and
research this because you're probably right. But when I read
Patterson's comments about the top of the rush from Carter, yeah,
I read it as Carter needs work on that part
of the no, and he has the skill.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Levels totally, totally, totally misread it. Okay, he what what
What Patterson basically said to us is that he can't
believe how amazing Carter is at the top of the
rush coming right into the league. He doesn't need I mean,
he said, most guys they need two or three years
to learn it. He's like, Carter's already got this now.

(51:58):
He did say we got a seat in the game. Sure.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
Yeah, he was complimentary though that the Beat writers prior
to the start of practice today.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I was there you No, no, I was there.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
We talked to him, Paul, and I know I was.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
I was with that group of the two of us
were standing, were there.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
I got you? Yeah, I got you. Let me ask
two quick questions. I'll take the answers off the air.
How do you guys evaluate uh this, this draft and
free agent class and the growth of it over the
last over the last seven months. You know, I was

(52:37):
very pleased with with the draft. I thought arguably they
had the best draft of anybody in the NFL. I
liked what we did in free agency, maybe not as
good as what we did in the draft, but I
thought we made some progress and free agency, particularly in
the defensive backfield. But you know, how is it? How
is it coming on? If I said to you this

(52:59):
is this was a top top twenty five percent, top
eight team in the NFL off season, not just on
the names of the players, but on their on their
growth over the season, you rate it? Would you rate
it that high? And the second second thing is I'd
like you to speak to the idea of urgency from

(53:23):
January on. I felt there was a sense of urgency
from Shane and Dable once the decision was ready to
bring them back. That was that was different than any
other year that they've been here. And I think, let
me make a point about today. I think it got
culminated today, Paul, you missed one line out of dables
presser today, not as pressure when he was talking to

(53:44):
the team and he referred to it. I guess in
his pressure he said you better come back ready because
I'm not going to tolerate mistakes when you get back here.
Can you confirm that that's what he said? And I'd
like your answers to those two points. Thanks guys, you
go on that note.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Yep, appreciate the phone call. I don't recall that exact thing.
Did he state that maybe yesterday? I don't remember that
to the media.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
The show elsewhere today was that when you get back
for training camp, there's not too much time before the season.
There is a sense of urgency there. Yeah, was his
stress point today.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
I don't remember him telling the media that I'm not
going to accept mistakes that would media if he said
that today, And I don't recall I'm transcript a well.
So the rest of it. In terms of the level
of urgency for Joe, Shane and Brian Dable to say
that this is the most urgency they've shown compared to
any other season, I think that's a bit of hyperbole

(54:42):
speaking just because of maybe the season they've come off of.
I think that every year, especially the years where they
did not make the playoffs, there has always been the
mindset that the roster has to improve and they need
to do the necessary heavy lifting. I think you're maybe
signing that label based on how good you feel about

(55:04):
the players they brought in, and that's fine, there's nothing
wrong with that, but I would separate the two and
if you even go back and look at the things
they've said, how the process played out. I did not
sense that there was a major difference in terms of urgency.
You know, maybe deep down inside, a little bit more pressure,
you know, given the both of them, or another year

(55:26):
removed from when they were hired. I think that's natural,
But I don't know if I would say that this
year was any different in terms of the level of urgency.
As far as how do you evaluate the last few
months based on the players that were drafted and who
were brought in free agency. Well, I'll give you an example.

(55:46):
Darius Alexander, for example, has been sidelined. So when you say, well,
how do you evaluate the draft class, He's a part
of the draft class. So if you can't really evaluate
some of these players, and I'm just pinpointing him as
an example, there's only so much you could take away
from this period other than to use the term len
insinuated the names on the back of the jersey. So

(56:09):
I just look at it as can the guys build
a rapport off the field? Those that are new, can
they get into the locker room? And is there a
smooth transition. From that standpoint, I think if you listen
to most of the players that Javon Holland's for example,
the pulse at the debos. It seems as if they're

(56:31):
gelling quite well. It also helps, of course, that each
one of them had a college teammate on the roster too,
Keaveon Thibodeaux with Holland, and then o'kara kay with a
Debo and Jackson Dart. How is he falling in line
with the quarterback room? How is he adapting to becoming
a professional. But those are non x's and oh's things.

(56:54):
Those are the only things that I could truly evaluate.
I'm not going to put an overwhelming amount into practice
reps when there's no pads on and the pass rush
can't battle the offensive line, so it's hard to give
you tangible evidence on the field. I think anything that
I look at as a positive step in the right
direction is what we're hearing and perhaps seeing off the

(57:15):
field with respect to the newbies.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I found the quote again. I'll take part of it
because it's a long paragraph, sure, but part of what
Dable said quote, we can't lose that in the next
thirty days. He was talking about the focus and the
retention of what they've done. He says, in terms of
our physical abilities, our techniques, our training methods. We have

(57:39):
to come back when training camp hits. I don't have
much tolerance for mistakes during training camp. The season is
getting close, so we have to be prepared mentally, we
have to be prepared physically, etc. Etc. Etc. So he
did use the word mistakes in there, but the point
of it was what he was really try trying to emphasize,

(58:00):
at least how I interpreted it, was that the timing factor.
If you think you can slack off over the summer,
you are going to slip backwards on July twenty second.
Well guess what from July twenty second till August ninth
when you have your first preseason game, and then it's
September when you start your regular season. His point is,

(58:24):
if you start falling behind, you can't catch up in time.
He was, you know that was to me what he
was trying to emphasize is that before you know it,
the season's here and all of this learning stuff is fine,
but you got to hit the ground running. When they
when they when it was it in Indianapolis five hundred,

(58:44):
don't they drop a flag or is it the lights
when they when they start the race?

Speaker 3 (58:48):
I think it's a flag.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
It's a flag.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
It's a flag.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
When they drop the flag, you gotta go, you know.
And so this is the time where players are most
apt to slip and fall behind schedule because they're going
to be away for a month or so.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Green flag.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
It is a green flag. I think.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah, ye, So.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
That's what he was stressing. As far as the way
I interpreted what he was saying, No, don't slip here
because you can't really make it up.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
And that's why I guess mistakes didn't pop out to
me based on what Lenin mentioned, because see when I
was listening to today, it didn't come off. And I'm
not saying that len was wrong in terms of his interpretation,
but I guess what I was listening to len described
it came off as the tone was I have no
patience for any mistakes, and I'm gonna throw your behind
out of here. If I see that it didn't come across.

(59:40):
I think the point that he was spelling.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
If we were there and listened to him, is he
understood the inflection and the context for what he said.
Not a problem, lend, I get it. This is why
it's hard so many times to read something in print
and then fully get a grasp on what they.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Were talking because you don't hear how they said it.
Just like, for example, if somebody coaches Coaughlin was great
at this, he'd use a sarcastic tone. Right If you
read his quote and you didn't hear it in the
sarcastic tone, you'd let's be talking about So that's why
I guess when I was listening to what Lens said
commentary wise, I wasn't matching up with what table it said.

(01:00:17):
I don't know if you wanted one other thing, did
you want to add? It was an interesting question. I
responded to it about how you evaluate the growth of
the draft class and the free agents. Hey, you're pretty
much on the same page.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
The questions irrelevant. It's a complete hypothetical. All I will
say to you, Len is that everything has been as
advertised so far. If you want to use and I'm
not a golfer, but if you'd like to use a
golf analogy, to this point, the Giants are shooting par okay.
There is no such thing as going six under par

(01:00:49):
at this point because there's no real competition. They're not
on the field playing real games under real circumstances. So
you can't shoot better than par. You can only shoot
par right now, and that has to be good enough.
What you can do is have guys come in not
be what they were advertised to be, making mental mistakes,

(01:01:11):
doing stupid things, screwing up, not listening to the coaches,
making repetitive mistakes, which is that's cardinals sin number one, sure,
making repetitive mistakes. And then of course, you know, not
doing your homework and not the class work down because
remember these aretas, this class work involved in this too.

(01:01:33):
We only see them on the field, this class work
here too. When you don't do those things, you now
double bogue. Okay, to use the golf terms again, I
don't play golf, but double bogey's really bad, right, that
is bad, double boge's terror, triple bog is even worse.
Is there such a thing as a triple bogue?

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Well, trust me, if you we took you out on
the golf course, we would experience a few triple bogeys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Oh okay, okay, So anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I didn't mean to interrupt, no, but that's the point.
That's the point, okay. Par is the best you can
hope for. If everything is smooth. You're par fine, take
it for what it's worth. As long as you avoid
the Bogeese, the double Bogies, and the triple Bogees, that's
the best you can hope for. And that's where the
Giants are. They've avoided all the bogies, all three of them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah, without a doubt. No, And that's why I said,
I think, for example, the coaches would be able to
better answer Jackson Dart how far he's come along from
the time that he was drafted to now. But also
that's a very small timeline, so how much are you
even going to read into that in terms of the
growth of the development And Abdul Carter, even from listening
to the defensive assistance, they'll speak very loudly and give

(01:02:48):
high praise about his skill set, what they've seen come
out of the draft. And at the end of the day,
they have to keep their expectations in check because the
pads are not on and the offensive lineman can only
do so much to inhibit these players from getting into
the backfield.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
They can basically stand in front of them like a
fire hydrant exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
So you know, I know Darius Alexander has been on
the side, but abdul Cotter, I could sit here and
tell you always look good the bend the top of
the rush, but it's against air at this point, so
even that you got to take a step back, even
if you're once again overly excited. So it's very hard
to say growth has occurred, whether it be from an

(01:03:29):
exozido standpoint or from a mental standpoint. I think that's
better answered after training camp, when they'll have at least
a month or so with the pads on. There will
be more to a value it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Do practices against the Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Correct, and preseason games, so you'll actually have some action
that is somewhat related, not identical, but somewhat related to
what they'll see come the beginning of the regulations of football. Correct. Yes,
much closer than what we're seeing now. I think we
can leave it at that, all right. That is going
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