Big Blue Kickoff Live 6/20 | 2025’s Most Critical Players

John Schmeelk and Paul Dottino discuss which Giants players are most critical in the 2025 season, break down the Giants wide receivers, and take calls from fans.

:00 - Most critical 2025 players

21:00 - Slot receivers

32:35 - Quarterback play

40:40 - Jalin Hyatt

49:30 - Chauncey Golston

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three nine four five one three. Uh. If you didn't
miss it last night on wfan Paul and I did
two hours wrapping on Mini camp and OTA's is that
up on the Media Pass podcast yet? Heres? So you

(01:05):
can find that show on the media Pass podcast if
you want to go check that out. We've played back
some interviews that you'll be hearing on the Giants Podcast
Giants Total podcast later on in the summer, so you
guys go check that out if you are in the mood.
That is already only, so that will not be on
the YouTube channel. Just fyi, Paulie, how are you good
to see again? John? It was only a few minutes ago, right, Yeah,

(01:27):
sadly that's true. So today we're gonna do one of
the exercises that we like to do every year. Yes,
the players, the Giants can least afford to be without
or lose over the course of the year. Now, Unfortunately,
over the past ten years, this show has been more
prophetic than we've wanted it to be with the injuries

(01:49):
that the Giants have suffered at various important positions. Oh well,
so I'm stressing we're not trying to speak this into
reality here. We're not trying to you know, turn our
worst nightmares into what's going to happen during the season.
Do you believe in the Madden covered jinks because.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
The Madden coverage. If you do, then we are also
the Jinks.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah. I mean, I'm just saying our track record hasn't
been very good. He twenty two did happen like that
was the thing?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yes, yes, but the percentages have not been good for us.
I think that's probably true. That's probably true, Pierson, get
out the coin flipper. Were gonna see who goes first year?
At least pick three guys, Honestly, who goes first? So again,
this is important, folks. The players the Giants can at
least afford to lose. Who will what player loss would
impact the team the most?

Speaker 2 (02:37):
And usually we say except for the quarterback position. Upon
I had the conversation, and we're not gonna put that
caveat onto this year's conversation because of the way the
quarterback room is arranged and the way it's set up.
We think we can include that into the massive humanity
that we're dealing with here with the football Giants. All right, Paul,
give me a heads or tails? You ready to go? Pierson,
give me a heads or tails, mister Deteina, I'll go tails. Oh,

(02:59):
never fouls.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
We've got tails.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
All right, So Paul gets to go first. You're up. Okay, Well,
this is not really a huge surprise.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Excuse me, because the gentleman that I'm gonna pick is
as an All NFL caliber player who's actually been on
the All NFL teams a number of times, Dexter Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Really that's number one for you.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
It is because my feeling right now, John, and I'm
leaving Andrew Thomas on the table.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
If that's the guy you're gonna go, that's why I
thought you were gonna go.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
No, I'm going to go to Dexter Lawrence because right now,
Dexter Lawrence is a part of a twofold defense.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
They think that.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
They've got this incredible foursome that is going to wreck
people with the pass rush because he's part of that
that forsome, the three edge rushers plus Dexter Lawrence. And
we also know that even with Dexter Lawrence, because he
can't play every single snap and because the Giants defensive
line over the course of the last couple of years has.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Not been up to par in stopping the run. I
agree with all that.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, if you take Dexter Lawrence out of this equation,
and we're not even sure we think they have helped
their rush defense.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
We think so. They've made some plans on paper to
do it, but we haven't seen it because these are
non contact drills. You knock him out of that lineup,
it is a double shot. It's a left hook and
a right cross. I'm gonna go Dexter Lawrence, all right?
Can I play Devil's advocate for a moment? Sure? Do

(04:37):
you think all the added depth that the Giants have
added to that defensive line, whether it's rookie Darius Alexander,
whether it's Roy Robertson Harris, whether it's Chauncey Golston, has
that given them the ability? Obviously you're not going to
be the same. Dexter Lawrence is on one of one.
He might be the best defensive tackle on all of football. YEP.
So from that perspective, I can't have a beef with

(05:01):
with your choice. But considering how big of a player
Robertson Harris is in terms of length and size, right,
and the other additions they've made along the defensive front,
Jeremiah ledbetter go down the list. Could they survive where
they're at least competent on the defensive line if Dexter

(05:21):
Lawrence gets hurt versus maybe somebody at another spot, even
though maybe the line wouldn't be as necessarily dominant, that
is the plan.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
I think it's reasonable to project that they might be
able to But this is to show me situation, John,
because they've revamped a lot of roster spots in their
front seven over this past offseason, and until I see
these guys play together, I mean, I think Goldston's going
to be a great addition for this team, I really do.

(05:50):
But what if he turns out not to be What
if Ray Robertson Harris and and and you know Armstrong.
What if these guys turn out Alexander? What if these
guys turn out not to be the guys that we project. Well,
we've seen what the Giants lineup is like without Dexter Lawrence,

(06:11):
even last month last year, did you enjoy watching how
people ran.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
On this team? Well in the past rush also, and
the pass rush suffered too. We've seen what happens if
he's not there. I think you're right, on paper, they
could survive it. But the game is not on paper,
all right, then, I mean, you're giving me a little
hanging fruit here, So I'm gonna have to go with
with Andrew Thomas, and I'm hope the other guy that
I was gonna pick first, you don't select with the

(06:37):
next one. Look, we've seen what happens. It's not good. No,
when Andrew Thomas gets hurt, it's been consistently bad. And
he's an All Pro left tackle, Pro bow left tackle.
Those guys do not grow on trees. When he's healthy,
he's really good. So I'm not sure where to go here, Paul,

(06:58):
except that Andrew Thomas is all awesome. They have James
Hudson as a swing tackle, but again, he's not a
starting tackle. You know, he's someone that you can use
as a backup. You could always move Jermaine Aluminar from
the right side to the left side. He's talked to
me about how difficult that is and how problematic that
can be. So you know, the way I look at
it is that this is another guy that you have

(07:21):
to keep healthy and it's just a real problem if
he gets hurt, because we've seen how it impacts everything
else that happens on the Giants offensive line and on
the Giants front. So I mean, it's low hanging fruit,
but I have to pick him just because we've seen
every year that he misses a significant amount of time,
the offense proceeds to just go as janelfa cliff. Yeah,

(07:47):
I know, and it's like Wiley Coyote.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Just the only counter that I have to that, and
the reason I went to Dexter, The only counter I
have to Andrew Thomas is this, if the Giants defense
is as good as they project, if they are not
just the top ten, but if they can actually be
so dominant that they can be even a top five.

(08:10):
And look, I know that's asking a lot, that's lofty,
but if all of these guys are intact and they
turn out to just max out, I wonder. You know,
they always say defense is the root of winning football games.
If you have a defense that can keep you in
games or even steal some games, you can win some games.

(08:32):
I wonder if the defense becomes as dominant as they
might be able to be, if you could still overcome
a loss of Andrew Thomas and be somewhat respectable, that
would be the counter to that. That's why I went
with Lawrence. But the truth is, it's no different than
Pearson's coin flip. Either one of those two guys is
going to be devastating for this team.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Okay, you're up next. What do you got true? Phillips?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Really don't know who the backup slot is today. I
have absolutely no confidence that they've got a true backup slot.
If you're going to tell me that, they would say what.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
If I told you was flat?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
I love Cordell Flott. He is not a slot corner,
and we've seen that he is not a slot corner.
He's been a boundary ever since he came into this league.
He's had to play slot out of necessity, and it
has not gone well for him. I believe it's hindered
his development, and I believe that a lot of what
you've seen from him is because he does not have

(09:32):
the tools to handle that spot. He is a boundary corner,
and if you're forced to put him in there, I
don't think it's going to go very well.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Okay, I think that's a good choice. I agree. I
think the next slot guy up is a question. I'm
with you on that. So do you have a candidate?
If not Flot, I don't have one. No, probably not.
That's that's why I went no. I think that's I
think it's a good argument and mostly where I go
out the next one then, because this is the guy

(10:02):
that I if I had the first pick pull, I
might have picked him first. So you I mean it's
it's league neighbors. I mean he is. He is just
a guy that's irreplaceable. There is nobody on that side
that can do what he does. And behind him, the
Giants have players that are good receivers in the National

(10:23):
FOOTBA League, but they don't have a number one. I'm
not sure they have a number two. We've loved what
we've seen him from Jayalen Hyatt. We got to see
it when it's real football with pads on. You know,
we know what Darius Slayton is. He just got a
nice contract extension, but he's not a one wand the
Robinson is what he is. He's at the good slot
receiver who's down going to be moved around a little
bit more, but more of a short and intermediate guy.
He wants to do more deep stuff. We'll see if

(10:44):
he can this year. So you just lose so much
of your explosiveness and he like the one guy sure
that to use your expression that's a headache player yep,
for opposing defenses, and I think if you lose him,
it just completely just shove your offense in every way,
shape or for the phones aren't working. I'm gonna try

(11:04):
to help Pierce on what's something? Okay, right back? Okay, okay,
So go your next guy, Okay. Sure.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
So we've already taken four guys off the board. We've
taken off Dexter Lawrence and Drew Phillips for me. We've
taken Andrew Thomas and Malik Neighbors off the board for John.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
So now I've got to go to my third pick. Now,
I this one was a little bit more difficult for
me because each of the first two guys were easy,
and I think so for John too. I don't know.
Maybe his third pick will be easy as well. I
don't know, But for me, I'm gonna go with the

(11:43):
third guy being Tyrone Tracy. Now, first thing people are
going to say is, well, didn't they just draft Scataboo. Yes,
Scataboo is a power back. Singletary is a power back.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
You've got an unproven turbo miller who I like on
the depth chart right now, whether or not he makes
the fifty three.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I'm not one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
You've got Eric Gray of the depth chart, who has
had a very quiet early career as a.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Giant, and so that's a show me spot. If Tyrone Tracy,
who is a quality running back who's got some real
explosiveness to him and also has the ability to be
productive in.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
The passing game, if he goes down, I think that
really changes significantly changes the running back room and how
people would would have to defend at least half of
the Giants offensive attack. So I'm going with Tyrone Tracy

(13:02):
as my third guy. As I look at the rest
of the units. You know, we know they've fortified the
quarterback room. They've got four guys in there right now.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
They'll have three obviously by opening day.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
But you know, I did try to think about other guys,
and if Russell Wilson goes down, well, Jamis Winston will play.
And he's won games in this league before. Yes, he's inconsistent. Yes,
you would want to maybe reduce the amount of times
you throw the ball to try to stay away from
some turnovers.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
But I could see that possibly as a guy that
John may pick at number three. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
The offensive line is a quantity situation. They got a
ton of quantity along the offensive line, and they've got
a lot of quantity in the tight end room.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
So for me, yeah, I'm sticking with Tracy.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
We've already talked about how good we think the defense
is going to be all around, so you know that's, uh,
that's where I'm gonna go. And and and the reason
also that I won't go safety or corner is because
Belton right now is safety three and if you lose
one of the safeties, Belton would elevate, and I don't
think that's terrible. And if you lose one of your corners,

(14:20):
Flot gets elevated. And you know, we all agree that
there's a lot of upside with Flot. So I'm gonna
go Tyrone Tracy. And you know that the third one
for me was was the hardest one. The first two
I thought were easy for me, and I think they're
easy for you. I don't know about number three for you.
I don't know how hard is that.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I thought about Paulson the debo here, mm hmm, because
I do think if you run and if you go
into the season with the same exact cornerbacks as last year.
What do we say was the biggest need for the
Giants this offseason?

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Well, they well rush defense, but also a corner they
needed and I still think they could add you another veteran.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
I would hate to lose in corner. That is, you know,
staring at your that you just paid big money for
another few. I think you can survive safety with Holland.
I think that'd be fine. They're three really good edge players,
so I guess you could afford to lose one of
those guys and survive even though they're some of your
best players. I think there's a really good argument for

(15:21):
paulse and Adebo the other place. I'm gonna go here,
and this is gonna make an other pick. I'm gonna
go with your main Illumini. Oh I Lluminore will be
you three? How about that? Who's playing right tackle? Again?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
This is a situation where the room has got a
lot of bodies, But it showed me you just don't
know well.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
The bodies that you feel good about, though, are inside bodies.
Like if you lose one of the guards, you're fine.
I think you're fine. You'll be okay, you know tackle depth.
And then, by the way, this is not a Giants problem.
This is an NFL problem. Oh yeah, There's just not
a lot of good offensive tackles around the league that
can step in and do really a really good job

(16:02):
as a starter. Well, you have four choices. If he
goes down, Hudson just wing tackle right now, for Hudson
would be the guy, right, Hudson is a guy. Your
other choices.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Depending upon how you felt about them at the time.
Foresight this year, formercl yawk.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Right, yeah, he would be the next guy out. Problem.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Okay, you could put Neil back out there if you
had to. And you also have Marcus Bow who was
just drafted.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
So these are not exactly you know, fireworks options. Yeah,
but you do have bodies. I cannot make a judgment
call on Marcus Bow because we have not seen him
play with pads on yet, so correct I would I
You know me, I was a big fan him coming
out before the draft, even I thought he could be
a third round guy. But to say I would feel

(16:52):
comfortable plugging him in there and going I can't, I'm
with you, it's not good if he goes down. I
just wonder if you have somebody who can somewhat plug
the hole. Honestly, you want to talk about and funny
having this conversation, now you know who one of the
key players on this roster is going to be this
year in terms of playing as well as the front

(17:12):
office thinks he can play. That's when when they brought
him in, James Hudson.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Oh okay, okay, I thought you're gonna say Joshua because
he he right now is the jack of all trades.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
They got him backing up everybody, right, But I don't
think he's the primary backup anywhere. Probably not, Probably not so.
James Hudson is the primary backup at two spots, both
offensive tackle spots. Yeah, he's the three. He's the swing tackle.
And you know how this tle, how the league is,
you know how these seasons go. He's going to have

(17:44):
to start at least a game or two this year. Yeah,
the odds are probably good. And you take a look
at this division with the pass rush off the edge, boy,
he is going to have to be a very good
backup swing tackle. He's going to have to be.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Cleveland Brown's allowed him to walk. I can't tell you
that I've sat down and gone through his video from
last year because I didn't I'd be lying to you
if I said that I did.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
The Giants, by old occations, believe very strongly that he
is a solid swing tackle.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Joe Shane was very clear about that. When he's very
very clear, I'm I'm in show me phase. I don't
know how I feel about him. I don't, but he's
going to be very important. He could be sure, very
well could be. So he had no problem making three guys.

(18:49):
You know, I mean, you know your three were you
were pretty good with I was pretty good with mine. Dude.
I think Illuminous a little bit of a stretch. I
think Tracy's a bit of a stratch, you know. A
debo to your point, I could have easily won Paulson
a debo there, just because the whole point of this
offseason was to not go into the following year with
the same secondary. That's why you go out and you
spend all that money on a veteran cornerback coming off

(19:11):
of a broken leg. That's how important it was the
Giants to get a veteran ear, the wounded, the pay
guy coming off an injury. That money, it was very
important for them to get this roster to where they
wanted it to be. So we'll see where that ends
up winding up when when all is said and done.
But those are the guys. Would you consider one of
the inside linebackers, Okay, okay, Well, if Bobby were to

(19:36):
go down, which he did at the end of last season,
you're looking at, I would say Mussau Johnson or Dante Johnson.
I guess Chris Board right, Flanagan Fowls, the Vets don't.
I don't know if they would throw Board in there.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
He was brought here for special teams purposes, but I
suppose they could do that. The other thing you could do,
I mean, I don't think you want to, but remember
on snaps when a dude Carter is in the lineup
and they're part of the three edge package. We got
to come up with a name for this, the three

(20:14):
edge package. We gotta get a fancy name for this.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Triple edge. Tripley maybe all right, tripley is good.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
So if you've got to do that, chances are McFadden's
coming off the field. You know, we're forgetting about him
a lot when we talk about this defense. So if
O Carrick k were to get hurt, could you possibly
move McFadden into his spot, and then you don't fuss
with Carter and still let Carter do what he does.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, I would not mess around with Carter and make
him like a full time right. I wouldn't want to
do that either, So keep Carter in his spot. Would
you just then move McFadden.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Into old Carrie k spot and then maybe Deontae Johnson
becomes the part timer who comes off the field when
Carter's on the field.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
You might be able to do that.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
TRIPLEY is a disease caused by mosquito's By the way.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Is it really triple E? We will not go We
won't go there. What kind of disease? What does it do?
Bring it up? I'm curious.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Rare but serious. Mosquito born disease caused by a virus
Triple E sleeping sickness birds and horses transmitted to humans
to the bite of the mosquito.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Not good at all. But we should not go with no. No,
it's tough.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
I'll try and think of something.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, and by the way, the phones aren't working, so
we're gonna have to fill.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
What do you guys think about backup slot? After wandale
a receiver?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I mean, I think it might be Hightt.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I think right now it could be because of the
way that they've started to use him. He's he is
being used more multiple and I think that's a very
good pick.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
John. I'm not that concerned about it. Pearson, really not.
And you know what, though, you're right, Pearson. In years past,
they've had, you know, going back to Richie, not Richie James.
Who was the slot that came over from the forty
nine ers the ended up lean the giants and receptions
in twenty twenty two James, I was right. I was
thinking of that. Who's the because he came in as
a kick returner? Who he became there? Who's the short

(22:09):
little corner that came in here? That was maybe last
name was James. I'm trying to remember twenty three. I
think his number one or something like that. Anyway, I
do remember it was rich I'm lost on that. Yeah, Richie.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Well, Richie was supposed to be the kick returner when
they signed him, and then he became the leading receiver
that year fifty seven catches.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Oh jeez, yeah, somehow they've won a playoff, und I know,
I know, ridiculous, but you know, they don't have another
traditional slot receiver in that mold. No, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Well, they'd have to go to the practice squad and
activate somebody. And quite honestly, well I don't want to
start talking about practice squad potentials. But there were a
few receivers I think we've seen in.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, but knowing that you feel comfortable with no, no, no,
no no no no no no. But would they have
a body they could try? Yes, they would, so I
guess my question, and this is another topic we can discuss.
And so you apparently have about forty minutes to fill here. Okay,
are the needs this team has out of the slot
receiver position? And but folks, this isn't Pearson's fault. There's

(23:10):
just no dial tone, so this is phone company related.
Do not blame him. Maybe it's Johnny max fault. Figure
we have no dial tone. No, there's no dial tone.
I plugged the phone directly into the wall too, So
it's not like.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
A serious internet issues earlier today.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Those internet outage in the whole building this morning, So
I guess everything is related in somehow. But anyway, boy
talk about short circuit. Yes, exactly are the needs that
they have out of the slot position. Different with the
way Brian Dables offense now looks with Russell Wilson as

(23:44):
a starting quarterback as opposed to in Daniels here when
Daniel liked a lot of those little short option routes
and those short around the hash marks the numbers, those
little passes, those little stop routes and stuff like that. Well,
Russ is more of a slant get the guys on
the move down the field routes the ball a little
bit more. Yeah, is it more important to have a
guy with speed rather than quickness in that slot spot?

(24:08):
Because remember Tyl Locke was that type of slot Tyer
Lockett was a guy that could get downfield to run
past people. Yes, is that more important with Russ's your
starting quarterback, having a slot with speed rather than your
traditional you know, short, quicker than fast type of traditional
slot guy.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
I think that's a great point that you just brought up, John,
because philosophically, you're right, Russell Wilson he would actually, even
though he doesn't throw a lot of picks, he would
still rather either take the sack or try to get
the ball downfield, remember, as opposed to dumping it off
to a slot guy eight yards away from the line
of scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
And with his height, it might be difficult for him
to pick up a wand though Robinson on a seven
yard route in the middle of the field behind huge
lines in between Russ and the receivers. Sure, well.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
The key with Wilson, you know, especially if you're going
to get pressure into the pocket, is that he's got
to have angled passing lanes because if there's pressure coming
in his face, he is too short. He knows that
this is something he's had a battle his whole career.
You have to be able to give him route concepts

(25:17):
where in theory you have an idea of where you
think he's gonna go, where he's gonna roll, where he's
gonna get the heat from, and now you have to
scheme it with your rout concepts so that he will
have at least one or two clean passing lanes from
where he's going to have to go.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
And that's why I think, well, we're gonna see Paul,
and we talked about this, it's go routes and it's
a lot of checkdowns, so that go rout's not there.
You're gonna see a lot of running backs going into
the flat, Oh sure, And I think you're gonna see
a lot of those quick speedouts from the slot receivers too,
And then that could be something Wan Dell's very good at.
But Hi, I can do it too where that gives

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you an angle around the lines, so you'll get the
ball out For those quick throws outside, I think easier
for him to complete those than the quick ones over
the middle that we saw from Daniels often well.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
I think also not only will you see it, let's
say from on the rollouts per se. Let's just talk
about rollouts for a minute. If you're Russell Wilson, one
of your third fourth options on a route is probably
going to be an underneath guy who is also going
to roll with you, a crossing route, if you will.

(26:26):
If the guy's coming from the left side of the field,
it's a cross if he's coming from the right side
of the field, it's a speed out. You're absolutely right,
And those rollouts I suspect.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
And you know how who was it the other day? John?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Was it Jackson Dart who said to you, and you're
set down with him that one of the things he
loves about Dables offense is that there is an open option.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
On every play, there's always an answer baked into the
scheme right of what the defense is showing you, yes
to give you an answer as a quarterback, And I
think that's kind of what we're talking about here. You
have to know about the.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Kinds of things that Russell Wilson is capable of doing,
the things that are going to cause him the most trouble,
and then you have to bake an answer for every
play into one of those things that he is still
very efficient at, and one of them would be what
we're talking about now. On a sliding pocket. On a
rolling pocket, you want to make sure that there's somebody

(27:27):
who's going to be rolling underneath who will be a
adequate target for him. It might only be ten yards downfield,
but you're going to want to make sure there's one
of those guys on those kinds of plays when you
expect that he's going to have to be setting up
on that side of the field to get rid of
the ball.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah. Look, I'm with you, and I think how this
passing him has looked different to me, Paul, just in
terms of sure like one of the throws that Daniel
always love to throw where those deep dagger incut routes. Right,
comes in and throws a deep incut route on a dagger. Yeah.
Have we seen any deep big routes? No at all.

(28:07):
No in the spring, No where a wide receiver goes
fifteen yards down the field and does a little in
breaking round. And you know why, you know why, Daniel
Jones up here, Russell Wilson down here, Daniel Jones can
see that play. It's been more perimeter things, absolutely, and
that yeah, and that's part. Look, folks, I remember.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Years ago when we were starting to do this program,
and you know, the Giants would pay se Yattle and
I would say, hey, Russell Wilson is a system quarterback.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
I used to talk about that a lot early in
his career.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
It was about running the ball right. It was about
him scrambling around if there was any any trouble, and
it was also about making sure that you schemed the
route concepts to places where he could get it done.
There was a lot of system stuff that had to
be baked in for his passing game to be effective.

(28:57):
Now over the years, because of his experi variance, because
of his wit, because of his philosophy about protecting the ball,
and also knowing, Hey, I've got the ability to throw
it deep. I can make that throw. He understood what
his strengths and what his weaknesses were. He played toward them,
just like his coaching staff did with their game plans. Well,

(29:19):
this is something now Brian Dabel and Mike Kafka and
Shane Tierney also have to do. They've got what fourteen
years of tape on Russell Wilson. They have a very
clear picture on how they need to scheme up some
of this offense. How they're gonna have to tweak some
of what they used to do with Daniel Jones to

(29:39):
make sure that a shorter quarterback who was inhibited in
certain areas of the playbook is going to be able
to shy away from those and use other areas that
you'll be able to use to scheme him.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Free another area. I think that's going to be a
little bit different. You know this answer, Paul the Daniel
Jones par Frederick play action from under center at a shotgun. Yeah,
you're absolutely right. He liked and running at a shotgun.
It was all the time. He did not like to
turn his back to the defense. He did not because
you lose sight of the defense. You don't know where
they are, than mistakes tend to happen. Now he was

(30:12):
able to do it. He had some successful plays doing it,
and there was not much. It was he he preferred
because that's what he did do, right. He preferred to
do play action at a shotgun. Russell Wilson will run
play action from under center all day long. He's what
he did with the Steelers last year. Going back to
the Marshall Lynch days with the Seahawks, he did that
with Marshaun Lynch with you know, those Super Bowl teams
with Seattle. So I think that's another part of this

(30:34):
offense is that's going to be a little bit different,
is that you're gonna see much more under center play action,
which of course you hopefully will set up some of
those deep plays down the field. By the way, you
can also move the pocket that way to create the
type of passing lanes you're talking about, and you can
get more depth on the drop back to give you
him more space to see and before the rush gets there.

(30:56):
So that's the other part of this offense I think
is going to be different. A lot more under set
their play action, which by the way, I think does
play well with this offensive line, you know, talking to
that group over the course the last few weeks, all
those interviews, I did about fifty of them. Guys, If
those are going up with the Johnsontle podcast, Pearson's editing
every single one with precision b roll on all of them.
It's gonna be fantastic. Make sure you tune in just

(31:18):
for Pearson's editing. How are you still awake, Pearson? Oh
he's not.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
I'm all right. We had yesterday off, which is good.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
That is true. I still manage to text about it working.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Do you think about this nickname for the three edge
rushers but including Dex, Yes, Mount Rushmore because they rush more.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Mount and Mount Dex is the mount part of that.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Sure, you know what.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I like it. I do like that. It might be
a little bit early to call them Mount rush Well,
they rush more, I understand. But it has a connotation
in sports that is one of that you say, I
give me your Mount Rushmore of Yankees and the like
the best of all time. True, I feel like that
might be. I like the idea, but I think that
might be. I don't. I don't like the other connotation

(32:04):
that brings in.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
It works, But if you go to it too early.
It then creates artificial expectations. It would be like, well,
if they only get two sacks in the first four
games and you call them out rushmore, it's not good.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Well maybe we can call it at the end of
the season, okay. Or the edge hammer. It's like a sledgehammer,
but the edge.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
No, I don't like the big edgehammer. Yeah, I don't
know about that one. Keep thinking we were thought under
center presstion, so I have a thought about that, yo, please, Okay.
So here's the thing I don't want to diss Daniel Jones.
Oh and by the way, what I was gonna say
is what the offensive line said is that one of
they they thought they really hit their stride running duo

(32:44):
at the end of last year, the double team blockhead stuff.
That's what they really thought their best part of the
running game was. And that's where I was trying to
go with that. Sorry, go ahead, no.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
So part of what I think was the reason that
Jones didn't like running the stuff under sent with the
play action. Remember when you run play action from under center,
there's going to be a split second where you don't
see the defense.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Sometimes more than a sport second. That could be two.
Depends on how good you are at yeah, well, I
mean no, it's depending on the run design. If it's
that too, you'll have to turn and fake the handoff
your back and be turned for a second and a
half two seconds.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Some guys can do it quicker and more definitely than others.
But you're absolutely right, there's gonna be a blind spot there.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I wonder if Daniel Jones ever developed the proper and
appropriate confidence to be able to overcome that blind spot
and then still believe in his mind he was going
to have time to do what he wanted to do
after he took a pounding behind an offensive line that
didn't give him a lot of time. And I think
it goes back to his overall issue where frankly, he

(33:47):
just didn't see open guys sometimes and didn't get the
ball where he needed to. And now give him a
blind spot, what's that going to do to It makes
that issue worse? It does correct, So Russell Wilson, who's
been doing this now for fourteen years, that's not a problem.
That is not an issue for him. He has complete
and utter confidence in his ability to see what he
needs to see, no matter how many times you play

(34:09):
action him under center. He knows.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
He's like, I got that clock, I know what I'm
looking at, I know what I'm looking for. I'm confident
in my ability to handle that. He's done it forever.
So I think that's another reason why you're seeing that here.
They're not afraid to go to.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
That now because that's something that's in his memory banks.
He knows how to handle it, which again is why
I think the run game is going to be so
important this year. Yes, and I understand the analytics say
it doesn't matter, but it does, yes, in terms of
how running, how linebackers are going to treat you, how
many bigger players the offense is, the defense is gonna
put on the field depending on what personnel you're in.

(34:46):
You know, if teams can match your twelve personnel with
Nickel and still stop the run, they'll do it. Why
wouldn't you need to force a team to go into
their base defense when you're playing your twelve personnel on
offense because you're running the ball so well, they need
the extra linebacker on the field. So combine that then
with the play action playshing was more effective when you're
doing it against the base defense with there's fewer defensive

(35:07):
backs on the field and all that kind of works
together singing my song John, I love it, Hey Look,
Lay Look. Last year, I was very clear going into
the year. I thought they needed considering where Daniel was
in needing to figure out what he was and the
weapons they had. A wide receiver, spread him out, let
him fire away. That's not how I see this year.

(35:27):
You know, Russell Wilson's the guy that holds the ball.
I think if you spread him out and let him
fire away, too many sacks are gonna happen, and you're
gonna have issues with that, no doubt. But he's always
been good at play action. He can get the ball
down the field. This is going to be I think
a more of a Hey high variance offense this year, Paul,
with more shots down field. Sure where you might have
some three announce because you might make some incompletions on those,

(35:49):
but you have more explosive plays and I think that
will overall end up being a positive because those big
plays lead to touchdowns. What if the Giants not had
enough of the last five years touchdown So that to
me is a worthy trade off.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Let's pull one of the strands on the spider web here. Okay,
you talk about explosive plays, you talk about Russell Wilson
being able to make the biggies downfield. If you don't
effectively run the ball, those safeties don't have to come
up and help in the box.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
They don't have to come up and try to blitz
into a gap because they can't run the ball on
us anyway. Well, now, what is that safety gonna do.
He's not gonna sit back there in the secondary twiddling
his thumbs. He's gonna help against those receivers who else
wants to throw deep too, And you go back to
my Mima League neighbors point, or they're just gonna double
team in and one of the other receivers have to

(36:40):
be able to win and win down the field. Which
is why again the emergence of Jalen Hyatt, who when
he beats you it could be for a big play,
could make a big difference.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Sho, oh my goodness, you flop the page here to
Hiatt and look, he's not the three, right. We know
that Robinson and Slayton are two three three two.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
However you want to work it, but if Hyatt as
the four, if Hyatt as the four when they go
to four wides, and I think, right now, if you
were to Pindable down, and of course nobody can. He
won't give you a straight answer.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Not in front of a microphone anymore. No, no, if
you were to pin him down right now, until Jalen
Hyatt proves that he can command the respect from a
defense as a number four receiver, I think they'll try
four wides a few times. But until Hyatt proves that.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I think when they go four wides, you might wind.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Up seeing the tight end THEO Johnson as a big
slot and he would be the fourth wide target. Okay,
I get see that. I think that's what they'll do.
So for me, if Hyatt doesn't step forward and seize
that role in this offense and take that those chapters

(37:59):
out of that playbook, I think they'll have THEO Johnson
take that chapter of the playbook. Because we know he's
got the athleticism, he's got the range, the length, he's
certainly got.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Some speed, he's got the ability to get yack.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
I think he becomes the fourth guy in your four
wide attack.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
So the problem with that is.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
He doesn't have the burner speed or the threat of
necessarily going thirty forty yards downfield and.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Getting behind the secondary. He doesn't have that. Well, let
me throw this one at you. Would it shock you
that I go talk to you on October twelfth, Okay,
the Sunday after the Thursday night game against the Eagles.
So the Giants are six games into their schedule. Yes,
that we have a conversation. And the Giants don't really

(38:53):
have a two three and four wide receiver. They have
a two way, a two B into two C. Okay,
where those three guys you know, Neighbors is never leaving
the field. All right, he's one. He's one that those
other three guys are almost evenly splitting the other wide
receiver reps. Would that shock you?

Speaker 3 (39:13):
That's one of the reasons why I said to you
it's possible that THEO Johnson could have fifty catches in
average thirteen yards catch. That's why I said that because
I think until Jay Hyatt proves that he's that guy,
Johnson's gonna be a big part of that passing game.
And yes, I think regardless he would be, well, I
think he will be anyway, but he'll be a bigger

(39:33):
part and reach the kind of numbers I'm talking about
if he's forced into be in the fourth.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Why, well, I'm taking THEO out of it. My point
is that Hyatt, Robinson and Slayton are gonna split those receivers.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
I hope so, because that means hy It clicks on
the switch. Well, if he doesn't, then the answer is no.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I understand. Well, let me give you that same question.
Then would you be surprised if I talked to you
in October twelfth, okay, the six games into the year,
and we found that by then those three guys are
splitting those snaps almost evenly.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
I'm hopeful that I can say that, but I guess
I would be a bit surprised because to this point
Hyatt is still a show me player.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
But I would be hopeful. I would like to see
that it would not based on what I've seen and
the fact that and I guess I can. I said
it on the WFM last I guess I could say
it here. Yeah, So the High Interview, I think that's
next week or maybe the week after. I think it
is running backs and running backs and wide receivers next week.

(40:35):
So I Jalin Hyatt's gonna be on that wide receiver
interview group, and he told me right now, he's one
hundred and ninety four pounds, yeah, which is twenty four
pounds heavier than what he played at last year. Sad
last year he played a one seventy or one seventy one. Guys,
for those of you that don't lift and work out
and aren't around sports a lot, putting on twenty plus

(40:57):
pounds of good weight, Wow, over the span of five
months is extremely difficult to do, extremely difficult to do it.
He's been twenty five pounds a bad weight. We've all
done that. Oh yeah, how you doing twenty five pounds
a good weight? That's a different question. I still don't
understand how he did it. I need to sit him

(41:19):
down and get his regiment. What did he do to
do that? And my first question was, while is your speed?
So there he goes, Yeah, the GPS numbers are still good,
which amazes everybody. How in the world could you do that? Now? Again,
to Paul's point, he's been maybe the standout offensive player
in the spring. But we always talk about not having

(41:39):
pads on and how you can't judge what's going on
up front. Well, for a receiver that maybe has not
done the best when dealing with press coverage and guy's
getting physical with him with the line of scrimmage. I
want to see how he does when we get into
scrimmages with the Jets. Yes, I want to see what
it looks like when he gets in the preseason games.
I want to see him line with paulse and Adebo

(42:01):
who's built like a safety, long, big, powerful and is
going to press the heck out of him in practice,
and see how he does getting off the line and
getting into his routes. And by the way, you need
strength at the top of your out. These cornerbacks are
being physical through the top of your route. Can you
maintain your balance? Can you get out of your breaks
quickly with these cornerbacks being all over you? I need

(42:22):
to see that from him still before I, you know,
really start believing. You know, we've we've joked about this before,
and we love the guy. He's a great dude. But
we've seen we saw Snoris Moss have these types of
impact practices in the spring and the summer. Yes, but
it never translated. Nope, we need to see it translate
for Higat. I think it can, especially with the added weight,
which I think is significant and it's important. So I'm

(42:46):
hopeful at this point, much more hopeful than I was
at this point last year, again, because I think we're
seeing we've seen a tangible change in the player. Right. Yes,
if the player looks exactly the same, it's hard to
make an argument for why the results are going to
be different. But when the looks different and made a
significant change, that gives you hope that things can be better.
At least that's the way I look at it.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
From day one of training camp, which by the way,
does start on the twenty second of July. Right the
rookies are coming in the fifteenth. The twenty second is
when the veterans come in. From day one, I'm Shane Bowen. Okay,
let me be Shane bowing for just a minute. I'm
grabbing pulsing a debo. I'm getting him into the room,
and I'm saying, listen, I want to line you up

(43:27):
against Hyatt as often as I can during training camp.
I want you to try to beat him up.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
That might be more of a Brian Dabel conversation than
a Shane Bowen conversation, to be honest with you, Fine, yeah,
either way, it could be from dable to show correct
that might happen either way. Yes, correct, But I want.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
You to give him a hard time, really rock him.
Give him up, Folks, if you haven't seen paulse in
a debo and tell me if I'm not right. He
looks like he could go out and box as a
light heavyweight boxing contender.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
The way he's cut.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
The physical stature, the thickness and the muscles on him.
He looks like a safety more than he does a corner. Okay,
he looks like a height a light a heavyweight boxer.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
He really does. And if you've watched him play, when
he jams guys at the line, they know it, they
feel it. It is not fun pulsing the debo. Your
assignment this July slash August. Your assignment is to test

(44:40):
and test and test again Jalen Hyatt's ability to play
with his newfound bulk, newfound strength, and hopefully, hopefully you
will give him such a hard time that we will
either find out that he can do it and handle
that kind of physicality and press coverage that he's gonna

(45:02):
get during the regular season, or at the very least
Hyatt will find it easier once they start the season,
because if a debo gives him a really really hard
time and is excessive about it, you know what they say, right,
Iron sharpens iron. Sometimes you want to overtrain so that

(45:23):
it's easier once you get into a live situation. To me,
that would make an awful lot of sense when you
and I are out there at the practice field during
camp in August. I'm gonna tell you right now, John,
I'm gonna like have a third eye looking at those
guys every time they're lining up opposite each other. I
want to see that. All right. I got a DM
from the listener, Tim and Charleston. What do you guys

(45:46):
think about mock three for the past rushing group? It's
not bad?

Speaker 4 (45:53):
What about the three rush cateers? We also got a
you Tube comment that sead of rush hour three?

Speaker 2 (46:02):
All right, okay, mock three is also. Isn't that a
Isn't there a product out there? A shaving product called
the mock three? Is there?

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Let's not say the brand.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
That's I'm not saying the brand. I'm pretty sure that
do we have a shaving sponsor? I'm not sure if
we do, but but let's not that I believe the
NFL does though they might. They used to actually they
used to have Gillette was there.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Well, that was the one I was trying to avoid.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I'm sorry, Just what is the stadium? Gillette is a
stadium with the Patriots play. So I'm saying it in
that context. Okay, you weren't, but that's I am now,
I am now.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
I'll edit it.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
He was talking about the statement, all right, well, according
to yeah, it looks like it is a it is.
That's too bad. I like that one a lot. No, well,
it looks like okay, since there's an NFL sponsor, I
think I could say it then, right, Yeah, it looks
like Gillette is a NFL sponsor. Let me see if
that is in fact a product. Okay, that's good. I

(47:05):
hope it is. I w absolutely is absolutely is. Where
did that come from? Pearson? Was that you? No? That
was Tim and Charleston like that is pretty good. Three
is really good. I like it, you know, and you
want it. The product thing I don't love. That's the
only problem.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
I'm pretty sure I nailed it with three rushkitteers.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I'm to long. It's way too long, rusketeers. It sounds
like a Disney movie.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
It's good.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, if Bob is calling a play and says the
Giants have gone to the three Musketeers defense, He's gonna.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Turn around rush kittiers, rush Kittiers, not musketeers.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
It takes half a second to say it, Paul.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Not three rushkittiers is four syllables. It's four syllables. I
do like Mark three better.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
I really do everything I got, No, no.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Not bad. I love the creativity, you know.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Now again, the thing is, nobody gets a nickname until
they actually earn it. Let's wait for at least a
month or so into the sea.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, before they do something that's absolutely you know, you
can't you can't give them a nickname. And in the
first four games of the year they get two sacks.
Now what you what you could do, Peterson, is that
you know, Brian Burns is brought in this hole, you know,
and we have a des to life thing. What if
you just go with the Avengers? Do you understand that reference?
I do? I do think it is Burns refraing referring

(48:28):
to Dexter Lawrence is like the Hulk, He's the deck.
We have a deck.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
We have Ulk, Burns a spider man.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Right, Maybe they could be the Avengers and uh and
Tis said he was black Panther. We also have a
relationship with Marble, so we can we can have this conversation.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
You know, I'm okay with that too. That that would
work for me too. That would be a viable option.
I would be okay with that one.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I'm not sure Disney would be thrilled with it, but
it would be INFA said with branding though, like cross promotion.
Not bad. Bring all the Marvel stuff together. You know,
Burns is a spider Man and all that stuff. Not bad.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
No, No, I'd have to find Carter a character.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Well, I mean he is in the Disney universe with
Doroth Vader, this is true. Does that help at all?
He's not a member of the Avengers, but he is
part of the Disney universe and that helps you at all?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Oh my, well, you know, hey, I just love the
fact that we actually have guys who we think are
going to do so well that they deserve a nickname.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Got in itself is a good thing. Somehow we've managed
every pretty good conversation, Pierre, which has been excellent. One
more thing before we get out of here. Are we
done already? Were almost there? About that pretty impressive. We
as Pierson can will attest to. We know how to talk.
Do you think, and I was thinking about this the
other day talking to somebody around here, when we get

(49:53):
to the end of the year, will Chauncey Golston take
more snaps at three technique or will he take more
snap on the edge?

Speaker 3 (50:01):
He will take more, So I see him still. I
know when he came here there was thought about him
being flexible in that way. I see him more as
a hand in the dirt defensive end than anything else.
Now again, here's the thing. What if he's a defensive
end at the same time, there's going to be somebody

(50:23):
standing outside him. So if you want to call him again,
is he going to be the most outside player.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
On the defensive front? No, then you think he's going
to be more of an inside player than an outside player.
There will be somebody standing up outside tipot one of
those three. Do you remember how.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Much of an issue I made earlier in this offseason
about how I don't want their two rege rushers as
two defensive ends in a front four with their hands down.
Remember when I told you that I was very much
against that, folks. I'm not talking out of school. I'm
not giving any strategy, but let's just say I think
you're going to see a lot less of that than

(51:03):
you did last year based on what they've shown already
so far. You're not I don't think you will see
as many alignments with Tibbs and Burns as front four
defensive ends with their hands down.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Now, it's gonna be tough to get them all on
the field. I don't think you'll see that well. I'm
talking about edges hands down. If they're up, that's definite.
I understand. But then you but if you're talking, then
you're talking about three defensive linemen plus two edge players.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
See when we talked to dra Patterson and the comment
was from Charlie Bullen, the edge rushing the outside linebacker's
edge rushing coach, that he goes.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
He I've got Caughter.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Right now one hundred percent in my room. Remember him
saying that he goes. I got him one hundred percent
in my room.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
And Golston has mostly been in his room too, by
the way, He's only been in Patterson's room a.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Little bit, right, And then we talked to Patterson and
Patterson goes well on special third down packages. I get him, okay,
as Carter you're talking about, yes, yes, Carter, okay. So
so I think what Bullen was talking about was the
base and even if it's second and long, maybe he's
still gonna be there. But on the third down packages,

(52:16):
Dre said he's getting him, well you can technically. I
know it's weird and I don't know if this is
what he meant, but I kind of thought this is
what he meant that on some third down packages you'll
see Carter standing up sure on the inside. I don't

(52:36):
think that's what Dre meant at the line, or even
a yard or two off the line to the point
where I'm saying that he would be between the tackles.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
But he's gonna be a stand up guy. I don't
think he's gonna have his hand down. Well, my point
is passing downs, you're not gonna have five defensive guys
on the defensive front though, well no, not likely, But
then you can't get all three of those guys on
the field at my point, No, but see, I think
I think this goes back more to the Amiba defense concept. No,

(53:10):
I understand, but you're just said my point though, right,
if you have three legitimate defensive linemen on the field.
You cannot have Thibodeau, Carter and birds on the field.
Oh no, no, I agree with that, right, I agree
with that, But it depends on what you're calling those guys.
I'm saying the guys who have their hands down on
the line of scrimmage, those are defensive linemen. That's what

(53:30):
I'm calling them. Anybody who stands up on the line,
I'm not calling them a defensive line So you're right
if those guys are standing up, but there's only two
defensive tackles between them. Bingo, there's no difference to h
And it's the same thing. Who cares if they're hands
in the dirt or not on a passing? Who cares? Again,
Nomenclaychu're defensive linemen technically have to.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Have their hands down in the dirt. That was the
old traditional defensive lineman position, right, I think, guy with
You know, people for years talked about Lawrence Taylor was
a stand up outside linebacker. But technically, if you wanted
to be in the new nomenclature because he was an
edge player, he was an edge player. Yes, in those days,

(54:11):
he was an outside linebacker. Today we call him edge.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
How often did LT put his hand down? Not very often.
He was in effect a stand up defensive end. But
the teams played more base back then than Yes, they
did absolute which is the difference.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Well, especially with the Giants, because in those days they could, right,
they really could.

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