Big Blue Kickoff Live 7/18 | Positional Rankings Breakdown

John Schmeelk and Paul Dottino break down Jeremy Fowler's 2025 positional rankings, discuss the offensive line, and take calls from fans. 

0:00 - Top Ten Position Rankings
19:15 - Calls 
32:30 - Offensive Line 
53:45 - Position Ranking cont. 

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four five one three Talk Giants football with you. Paul
the rookies have been here for a few days now.
But I hope you guys did enjoy our opponent previews.

(01:05):
I think it gives you an idea of what's in
store for the Giants this year. But now the rookies
have been here about four days, not really doing anything, nothing,
not much, no, but they're here. And we always joke
when this time off starts at the end of Junie,
You're like, Oh, I can't wait for football to get here.
I'm so excited. I'm like, Paul, I need some time off. Well,

(01:28):
I've gotten to the point now I'm ready for it
to start again.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Good for you. I'm there, ready to go. This is
the final day of the black Hole.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Now Monday is.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, I guess you're right, because they report Tuesday technically
Monday technically Yeah, twenty second right, Okay, So I'm just
glad I got through another Bermuda triangle, another black hole,
another darth in the universe to get to another football season,
because when this soul begins, now, when these veterans get

(02:02):
here onto the property, we're gonna be all football all
the way until February. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Sure, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
The best part of the calendar. Year it is.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I'm excited. The problem is that I'm gonna get all
pumped up for that first day of practice and realize
I have four practices to go until pads come on,
and I'm gonna get disappointed again. Happens every year. It's
gonna happen again, I know. But it is what it is.
So that plas Paul mentioned, players report on Tuesday, they
have whatever remains of a conditioning test on Tuesday is

(02:36):
not really what it used to be.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
When Tom Coffin Adam up in Albany's sweating and you know,
really hard time and a lot of this stuff, and
then practice starts on Wednesday and we're rocking and rolling.
So I thought, here's what we would do today, everybody,
We're not gonna do can't preview stuff. We've kind of
done all of that over the course of the last month.
So we want to take a lot of your calls.
Are gonna get two, one, nine, three and one go

(03:00):
through over the past two weeks three weeks. Jeremy Faller,
one of the great insiders over at ESPN, has done
his yearly poll of NFL personnel. I think as mostly
general manager, scouts, might be some coaches in there too.
I have to look at the exact methodology, but it's
a poll of people from the National Football League and
he does votes and he basically gets the ten best

(03:24):
players at each position in the National Football League and
it's based on a voting system. Who these guys vote for,
He tallies them, he aggregates them, and then he comes
up with this list. So I figure it'd be a
good day to talk about that. Go through some of
those lists, see mostly where the giant players are, but
we also, I think, have some interest things that you
want to discuss on each of these lists as well.

(03:46):
So Paul, why don't we start with where the giants
appear on these lists? Okay, and then we'll go from there.
It should be no surprise to anyone that the highest
rated player on his list that was an auto play
on my computer, sorry, is Dexter Laurn. You go lay
ESPN for that, not me. Dexter Lawrence, who is number
one among defensive tackles. And what Paul, when we went

(04:08):
through this is a very very very strong group. The
NFL has really turned into a league where they value
the position these guys are getting paid. Correct, right below
you know, edge players, and you know, kind of even
with offensive tackles almost now in terms of the amount
of money they're making. And Dexter Lawrence comes in at
number one on this list, just to give you an idea.

(04:29):
After that, it's Chris Jones, Jalen Carter, Jeffrey Simmons, Quinn Williams,
Leonard Williams at number six, former Giant. He's still only
thirty one years old. It feels like he's been the
league forever. Non de Matabike, DeForest Buckner, Vitevea. And then
coming in number ten is Cameron Hayward. And look, in
just twelve games last year, Dexter Lawrence had nine sacks.
And the point they make in the description is that

(04:51):
he's really taken off as a pass rusher despite taking
constant double teams, often lining up as a nose tackle
as a pass rusher, which is something that's very difficult
to do. So tip your cap. Dexter Lawrence number one
amongst the number one amongst defensive tackles.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
You know, John, when we went over quickly this morning
just to take a look at some of the names,
the first thing I said when we got to the
defensive tackle spot was not only as a deep but
that's the impact that Aaron Donald had on the position.
He truly started to put the microscope on the defensive
tackle spot because you know, as an NFL Defensive Player

(05:31):
of the Year, I think he might have even won
it twice or maybe even three times. I'm not even sure. Now,
you know, everybody always thought about the pass rushers or
the shutdown corners, but then Aaron Donald came along and
he became a freak of nature who could literally turn
a game from the interior of the line. And since

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that point, teams have absolutely positively put a greater emphasis
on the interior of the defensive line.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
And look, I think it shows why you also lock
these guys up on contracts early, which the Giants did
with Dexter Lawrence. They still have them on their team control.
Who knows where they eventually renegotiate that to extend them
and give them more. Who knows. But he's a really
good player. He's one of the most disruptive defensive players
in the league. One of the anonymous quotes they had
from one of the voters is that if he didn't

(06:21):
get hurt and the Giants were better, he would have
been a defensive Player of the Year conversation, which I
think would have been fair and as someone as both
two people that sit down and rewatch the game every
Monday morning when we come back in and we get
back and we kind of get a fresh look at everything.
His level of dominance despite double teams on nearly every
play in the middle of that defensive line is really

(06:43):
something to behold when you rewatch it on the end
zone coaches tape the next day.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, you know, it's funny because when Dexter Lawrence came
into the league, a lot of folks actually thought that,
you know, he might even be better as just an
oversized defensive end. There was some thought about that.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
John, But I know there were also some complaints of
Giant fans. They saw him like, all right, you're gonna
draft a three hundred and fifty pound run stuff for
in the middle of the first round. Where's the value there?
But to your point, he always had the athleticism.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yes, yes, and that's why once they were able to
convert him inside and he proved that he could still
make the kind of maneuvers that he was making all
along when he was in college. Now, all of a
sudden it became like, oh, Wow, this guy's unique. He's
a unicorn, you know, with that frame, that body, he
can do this. Wow.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, pretty much. And again he's coming off that elbow injury.
We haven't seen him do a ton in the spring.
He did individual stuff and not much more than that.
So something to keep an eye on as we head
into training camp here. All right, the next highest rated
Giants player, believe it or not, Molik Neighbors, came in
at number seven on the wide receiver list. The only

(07:56):
six players ahead of him are names that you should
be fairly familiar with. Jamar Chase, Justin, Jefferson Tyreek killing
number three, which I thought that's a little high. Giving
him thirty one in the last couple of years haven't
been as good Ceedee Lamb and number four, aj Brian A,
number five, aman Ros Saying, Brad at number six, and
then Malik Neighbors comes in at number seven, just ahead
of Nico Collins, Mike Evans, and Garrett Wilson. So I

(08:19):
think it just shows you how impressed the NFL was
with Malik Neighbors, despite the fact he missed a couple
of games with that concussion last year. And he had
some concentration drops in big SPOSI then some.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Games or did.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
But the overall package athleticism, explosiveness really made an impression
on people around the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, I think the other item, if you wanted to
throw a chink in his armor, his average ARGE per ketch.
For a guy who's supposed to be so dynamic, John,
you want to see him up in that fourteen fifteen
or higher range per catch for him to average what
he averaged, that's not enough. But what this tells you
is that the NFL talent evaluators again, the scouts, the GMS,

(09:06):
the coaches, whoever it was that they finally got the
ballots from, because these had to be anonymous otherwise they
would not get an honest evaluation. Whoever voted for him,
is telling you we're not holding that stuff against him.
We see the talent, we see the ability, we see
the explosiveness, we see the toolbox. Forget about his average

(09:30):
ARGE per catch, forget about you know, he didn't have
as many mistackles or forced misstackles as you'd want him
to have, or you think he should have. We think
there were a lot of reasons why maybe he wasn't
totally a plus across the board, and consequently he's in
the top ten.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, I don't think you're gonna get him at the
fourteen or fifteen, Paul, just because high volume receivers usually
they don't. Justin Jefferson is an exception. He was at
fourteen point nine last year. He was basically first among
high volume receivers. That's basically guys of I can classify
it as seventy catches or more. Brian Thomas, who was
a big time deep theret he came in at fourteen

(10:08):
point seven, Zay Flowers fourteen point three, Kittle fourteen point two,
So he can get to that thirteen and a half
to fourteen area. I think that's probably a good place
to kind of aim for.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well, think of this, right, Darius Slayton is a fifteen
yard per catch guy for his career. Now it doesn't
catch eighty balls a year.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Oh, he's not a volume guy. He's at to my
point right, he's not a volume guy.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
But I think when we look at those two players.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Neighbors, by the way, just for reference, was at eleven
point oher last year, which is lower than THEO Johnson for.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Just mean you can't have that right if he is
your headache player that needs to be better.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Well, that has to do with what was going on
at the quarterback position last year. A lot of stuff, yes,
no doubt, no doubt. And I think that's what the
evaluate is recognized, is that that number is not on Neighbors.
They're expecting his number two balloon once he gets Russell
Wilson throwing passes to him. But I do think it's interesting,
right because you mentioned about the high volume having an

(11:03):
impact on the average per catch. We would all agree,
one hundred out of one hundred would agree Neighbors is
much more explosive than Darius Slayton. No disrespect to Darius Slayton,
but when you talk about a game breaking receiver, Neighbors
is going to be the guy who fits the bill
more than Slayton does. Yeah, but to your point, Slayton
is not a guy that they're gonna throw the ball
to the line of scrimmage and tell him go make

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guys miss and that's gonna drag your yards per yes
catch down. All right, let's go to the next highest.
This is the only other Giant player that was ranked
I should say, so he's Obviously, the next highest is
the only other ranked guy, and that was Andrew Thomas,
who checked in an offensive tackle at number ten on
this list. You wonder, if not for the injuries, if
he might have been higher. These are the offensive tackles

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part of me ranked ahead of him. For those of
you that have not seen the list, Tristan Wurf's number one,
Penny Steal, number two, Lane Johnson number three. Number four
was Trent Williams, still on the list despite the fact
that I believe he turns thirty seven today or tomorrow.
You know, Jordan my lot Of number five or Shawn
Slater number six. These are all names that people should
not be surprised by. Linemy Tunsel just acquired by the

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Commander's number seven, Dion Dawkins from the Bills number eight,
Christian Darisov from the Vikings number nine, and Andrew Thomas
checks in at number ten with a bunch of honor
all mentions Jake Matthews, Joe al Ronnie Stanley, Colton Miller,
Taylor deck Urbernard Raymond.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
So yeah, I thought that darisaw probably was a little
higher than Thomas, and that made me kind of cringe
a little bit. I think I like Thomas as a
better player, but again, he's not always on the field,
and I thought Dawkins too from Buffalo. Look, when you
talk to the people from the Bills, they'll tell you
that there have been a lot of inconsistencies there that

(12:46):
they don't think he's reached his full potential and they're
a little bit disappointed. So I could have seen Thomas
ahead of both of those guys, But the injury factor
has to be considered, right, Durability is part of the equation.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
It is. And look if they also list like highest ranking,
lowest ranking. Somebody ranked him number one on this list.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Thomas, yeah, he.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Had highest ranking was one. That means one of the
voters thought he was the best offensive tackle in football
when he was healthy.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think when he's healthy, he's certainly in the top six.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I think I think that's probably true. I agree with you.
Last year he was ranked eighth, just you know, for
the record, But again with injuries every year, so that
has to be taking into consideration. There were two other
honorable mentions for the Giants on these lists. Brian Burns
was the first honorable mention at the edge spot. I
think he put him in the order of number of

(13:39):
votes that they got based on they weren't alphabetical, so
I'm assuming that's how he did it. So he was
first one up on the edge group, and it's hard
to really argue with any of the guys ahead of him.
I know, you maybe have one small beef with the
guy that got ranked number ten, but overall, Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt, Michaeh. Parsons,
Max Crosby, Nick Bosa, Trey Hendrickson, Aiden Hutchinson, Will Anderson Junior,

(14:04):
Danielle Hunter, and then Jared Verse coming in at number ten,
who had a fantastic year last year.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
He did he did. I'm a little partial to Burns,
and I felt that way when he was in Carolina,
before he even came to the Giants. I was always
very impressed with him, and you know, when he came
out of Florida State, I was a little curious, is
he going to be a little bit lax against the run.
That's not happened since he got to the NFL. I
think he's even become better run against the run than

(14:31):
he did when he was in college. And so I
have great regard for Brian Burns, and I probably would
have put him ahead of Verse. But I understand I
will say this.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
And based on the way they wrote Verse up as
it was a tiebreaker situation. Oh yeah, and what he
said he asked league executives to break the tie and
they leaned towards Verse apparently. Okay, And this is the
quote on Burns. He's a little quote on there. This
is from an NFL personnel evaluator. You got premier ability,
someone you have to account for on every snap. If

(15:03):
this was a skill set conversation, only he'd beat top five.
He's got everything you want from that standpoint, but he
just hasn't had the consistent production.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Well, you know, I would probably answer that quote with
the fact that last year he was badly beaten up John.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
I know, but that's the point. He's only had one
double digit sack year. Yeah, so I get, yes, why
you would say the consistent production would be what was
holding him back.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Now, remember when he came to the Giants in that
deal and they got the extension worked out. Before the
trade with the Panthers, we discussed the fact that in
reality he was the only headache player that the Panthers
had in their pass rush. So it was a lot
easier for teams to really beat up on them.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Too, and they were always playing from behind him. Is
they're a bad team that also, so his numbers were
going to be skewed.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yep. I will tell you this. I liked him a
lot when they got him. I like him even more
now that I saw him every week.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
No, I'm with you on that. And you know I
was always I was always a big Brian Bards fan.
So all right. Only other honorable mention was Javon Holland.
I think he was the first runner up at safety.
A couple other giants were on that safety list. David McKinney,
coming off a monster year, came in at number three,
and Julia Love came in at number ten on that list.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, you know, it's funny because we talk about Holland
coming here, and I guess he had that one huge
interception return for a touchdown, But other than that, he
hasn't gotten a lot of turnovers correct yet. His reputation
out of Miami was that he was the top safety
in free agency this year and that he does tend
to make clutch plays.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
And he was very good in college at getting the
full no question.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
So no question. So my intrigue with Holland is is
he going to make more impact in the turnover category.
I have no doubt about his ability to be smart
and coverage, to be a kind of guy who's going
to be a great teammate to work with some of
the young players, and I have absolutely no problem with

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him as a tackler. But I'd like to know if
he's going to make more of an impact in the
turnover category.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
No, I think that's fair. All right. We have a
couple other guys on this list we want to get
through that We maybe thought we're interesting to discuss, but
we have people on the line and we haven't taken
calls in like three weeks, so I want to get
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a speed walker in that and see how many people
can beat you to the finish line and have some
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Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know, I had no problem doing that several years ago.
But they always hold it on a day when we're
on the road.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Uh well they have to, I think, right, all right,
because they have to get the stadium right.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Exactly, So I forget where we are that weekend.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
But we're not going to the schedule right here, that
is twenty six we will be at Philadelphia. So yeah,
that's not gonna work. No, no, all right, Well it
was a good idea.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Sorry, well it happens, all right.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
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Caroline on the controls. Let's go to who better to
lead us back than Charlie and Portland Main? Hi, Charlie,
how are you a long time though? Speak buddy?

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Hey John? How you doing?

Speaker 2 (18:31):
What's going on? Hey?

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Welcome back, thank you.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Hey, the weekend before before the Iceberg, so we start
off next week, right, Hey, Look I'm looking at this
is we got a lot of key players with key injuries, right.
I mean a lot of guys didn't do anything in

(18:56):
the OTAs. And you don't really do anything in the
OTAs except stand around and move a little bit, and
they couldn't even do that.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Well, no, hold on, try, hold on, hold on. The
only guy that didn't do anything in OTA's was Andrew Thomas.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Well that's the guy I'm gonna talk about.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
And that's fine. Honestly, he's the only guy with an
injury that I would have a high level of concern
for in terms of when he's going to be ready.
Everyone else I feel pretty good about being ready to go,
if not day one of camp, pretty early in camp, Paul,
you agree with that.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah. I would add though, that Thomas has been around
a lot in the off season doing the workouts and
the weight and stuff, so it's not like he's getting soft.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
No, he's not getting soft. But I had him on
the Johnson podcast and he said that, look, I'm not
putting a timetable on it, so I going to keep
it that.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I agree with, Yes, go ahead, but he's certainly not
becoming the marshmallow man. You know, while he while he
was sidelined.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
By the way, he had a very good first pitch.
And did you see the pitch he throw. I did not,
Yankee Stadiu I heard about him. It was a very
good pitch. He was very impressive. Anyway, go ahead, Charlie.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah, I can't understand why nobody can throw pitch sixty
feet away and they all look so bad doing it,
and they're all athletes usually. But anyway, that's another subject.
But what Thomas said in your interview was funny. It
was like I had major surgery and we're hoping, we're

(20:21):
hoping that we're going to make the first game, but
you know, we're taking it really slow and cautiously, and
I am not really sure what we'll even be there
at the first game or the second game. I got
out of it.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
He said the plan is to be ready for game
number one, but he did not want to put a
firm timetable right that.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
You know, most of these players they'll say, of course, yeah,
I'll be ready for the first game. That's of course
I will.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
That's why I said, if there's some if there's one
player to really keep an eye over the course of
camp with the injury recover, it's Andrew Thomas. No argument,
that's fair.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, what's that going to do to this great offensive
line that we brought every buddy back? We brought in
this guy, you know, the Hudson River guy who has
not lived up to his capabilities. He hasn't been able
to be win a starting position. He supposedly has all
the tools, but he's been totally inconsistent and we're really

(21:16):
really relying on him to take Andrew Thomas's place.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Charlie, I hate to do this, but I'm going to
partially agree with you, Okay, but for a different reason.
But it's going to be a different reason. And John
knows exactly where I'm going to go with this.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I don't know if I do, Actually, oh sure you do.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
What's that this offensive line is they try to figure
out who the best five are. They need to play
snaps in the preseason, and if Andrew Thomas cannot play
any preseason snaps, that does hurt the ability to gel
and to form the chemistry that those guys are gonna need.
Week one against Washington.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Now, I will say this, I feel like Runyon and
Andrew Thomas should have pretty good chemistry based on what
they did the first six or seven games of last year.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I hope so.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
But it's not like they even played a full season
and you can plug the other guys in at the
same spots. They were went together last year, So this
group should have chemistry. They played together last year, they
all know each other, no new people in there. The
only guy that hot to get chemistry is Hudson, and
he'll get chances of left tackle while Thomas is out,
So I agree. I'm with you, but there should be

(22:24):
a large when's the last time the Giants bore back
the same five guys to start one year to the next.
I feel like it's been a long time since.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
So I think that at least give this group a
little bit of an advantage and makes that chemistry thing
a little less of a warrior, at least for me.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Which, by the way, Charlie and I think you're gonna
be on board with this because you do agree with
the preseason snap philosophy. I think if the Giants are
serious about Evan Neil really getting a shot to win
one of those guard spots.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
And by the way, it would he would not be
over John Ruddy and Junior. It would be he.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Would be over she'd be at right guard. But if
they're serious about that, Evan Neil better get a lot
of preseason snaps and I'm sure he will, I hope. So.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, but it hasn't Bunyan. Hasn't he coming off injury too?

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, he finished last year with the shoulder injury. I
believe he had shoulder surgery if I'm not mistaken, if
I remember correctly, he started doing everything the last couple
of weeks of spring practice, so he should be fine.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, I'm not getting a vibe that he's going to
be out now.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
He should be Okay. Did you call them budget?

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Do you really think that if Thomas is not going
to play the first couple of games, say that they're
really going to put Hudson in there, and they're not
going to move illumin Oil which the left and put
Huston on the right side.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
I think if they believe Andrew Thomas will be back
in short order, they're not going to want to mess
with the rest of the line in Illumini because right now,
Charlie at this point in the NFL, left tackle and
right tackle, there's not that much difference anymore in terms
of importance. I know they're not paid that way. Left
tackles still get paid a little bit more. I understand that.
But guess what, when you placed the Cowboys in week two,

(23:59):
the right tackle is gonna see Michael Parsons more than
the left tackle is he is. So I don't think
you put a luminore at a weaker position, hurting the
line in two spots, just to have a little in
or play left tackle. So I think, and again I
think a good judge of this, Charlie, and I think
you bring up a good point when we get to, like,
if you get to the third or fourth week of
August and Thomas is not back yet, how often do

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we see a lumin or left tackle. If we don't
see a lumin or a left tackle at all, I
think that's the signal. All right, he's the right tackle.
Hudson's the backup left tackle. Done finished, finito. That'll be
something to keep an eye on, depending on when Andrew
Thomas gets back on the field.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Charlie. One other comment about Hudson, and we said this
on the show, the other day, And look, I haven't
watched this guy on a regular basis. I mean, you know,
I don't cover the Browns, okay, but it's unfair to
disparage him as these third tackle or the swing tackle
until you see what he's got to offer. They went

(24:59):
after him very quickly in free agency. John, they made
him a priority.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
No, I will though. I think the one thing you
can say, they couldn't get Fried. That's why you wonder.
You always wonder why a team lets a player go
when they drafted him, they developed them, and then they
decided not to bring him back. And look, a backup
left tackle for the forty nine Ers got signed for
like fifteen million dollars a year by the Chiefs. So

(25:27):
it's not like there is always a high demand for
offensive tackle.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
So I do understand.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
I have optimism. Joe Shane likes the player, so I'll
believe in their evaluation. But to me, it's a set
of belief type of thing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
That's okay, Yeah, I'm fine with that.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Hey, the only other guy I was going to talk
about is just Quick is neighbors his turf toe. That's
an issue. It's chronic. It's probably not going to get
better until he has surgery at some point. I would
keep an eye on him.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Charlie. I appreciate the call, thank you. I don't think,
based on what I've heard, people say that that's something
that can be solved surgically. I think they would have
if it could be.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, but I don't.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
I think that's something that just requires rest, and I
think that's the reason they didn't have him do anything
full speed and competitive in the spring to get the rest.
And I think the hope is with rest that helps
mitigate the issue. We didn't hear about the toll last
year during the regular season at all.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I concur with John on this because if you go
by logic right now.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
I could be I'm not a doctor, by the way,
so I could be wrong. Maybe there is a surgical solution,
but I have not heard anyone say that, well, we
had a choice, we could have done surgery or we
could have rested. I did not hear that as something
that was even discussed in this in the spring.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Neither one of us have taken one minute of medical class. Yes, okay,
but just use logic here. We were told after the
season that it did occur at some point over the
course of the second half of the year. It did happen.
He played through it. We know we missed some snaps
in the final month of the season two because he
was so pained by the whole thing. He was never

(27:09):
on injured report though with it, but he never showed
up on the injury report. He fought through it, which
big thumbs up to the kid right for fighting through.
But here's the thing. They knew he was hurt for
several weeks by the time the season ended. So I'm
with John. If you think you can get that thing fixed, well,
then as soon as the season's over, you're telling him

(27:29):
you're not going to the Pro Bowl competition. You're getting
the thing taken care of, so we have you for
next year. Correct. But they didn't do that because they
obviously felt that surgery was not an option.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
And he did stuff at the Pro Bowl. He did,
he played in the flag football did so, Yeah, exactly,
I don't sense that there.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Was a nasty level of concern there.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yes, I'm with you on that. By the way, we
also will take your comments on the YouTube channel. That's
something that we haven't really done much of because we
just started streaming on YouTube, and feel free to drop
your comments in there, whether Dom today, but whether it's Pearson,
Johnny Mack, whatever, They'll keep an eye on that. So
I'm gonna go to Jason's question from YouTube. Do you

(28:11):
know if or when do you see Jackson Dart taking
over the offense this season? And this is gonna be our,
i think, patented response over the next few months. There's
no way for us to know. It all depends how
the season goes. It all depends how Russell Wilson plays,
It all depends how ready Jackson Dart appears. These are
all things that will influence that decision that we just

(28:35):
don't have the answer to right now. I will say this,
I would be very surprised if it's in the first
two months of the year. I concur beyond that, I'm
struggling my shoulders. I have no idea, don't know no idea.
It all depends how the season goes, how Russell Wilson's playing,
and what Dart looks like in the meetings and in
whatever practice time he gets with the scout team. And

(28:56):
that's the best I could do for you.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
The only thing that I would add is that of
the various factors in John already outlined a few of them.
The one concrete factor that is number one on the
list and everything else falls after that is this coaching
staff must believe that Jackson dort is capable of reasonably
competing at a game where he's not getting in.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
And we're gonna have an interview with Warren Sharp coming
up on the Giants Little podcast, I think in two
weeks from today. Actually it's on the schedule for And
you know he's great with his numbers, right, so number
fiend he brought. He brought out a great number of
the Giants' first eight weeks. Was it seven of their
opponents in those first eight or six of the opponents

(29:40):
in the first eight week? Sorry, finished in the top
seven in past defense last year.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Oh boy.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
The only two teams that didn't, I believe were Washington
and New Orleans. Every other team was in the top
seven seven ball John pass defense last year. The ball
so I think balanced. And again this is my PSA
And I know fans don't want to hear Lana I'm
sure is stewing at home right now hearing me say this.

(30:09):
And I'm sorry, Lynn, but you might have to be
a little patient with the pass offense earlier in the year,
simply based on who the opponents are going to be.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
The one good thing, though, John, is that the guy
they brought in to start, Russell Wilson has seen it
all and he's smart and he's not reckless with the ball.
And yeah, we know he'll take sacks instead of throwing interceptions.
We get that Eli Manning did that during a number
of his seasons as well. The good news is that

(30:38):
Russell Wilson is not going to be flummixed, shocked, surprised
or thrown off his game by these incredibly talented secondaries.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
No, and I will get that exact number for you,
But first let's go to lou in Pennsylvania. He's up next.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Hey lou.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
Hey, guys, how you doing?

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Just quick?

Speaker 6 (30:59):
So a lot of talks around Andrew Thomas on the
O line. I know it's very I notice the draft
is next year, but what do you think about You're
probably looking to draft the high in the second round.
Maybe don't go low a left tackle because three out
of five years he's not been around. He's coming up

(31:21):
an injury. We have no idea how he's gonna uh,
what's gonna happen or when he's gonna be at one
hundred percent runing. We don't know if he's gonna move
over to left tackle. Would you draft the left tackle now?
Because I don't think we really need something to draft.
This is only a few years where yeah, we need
a corner later on. But would you draft the left

(31:43):
tackle in the upcoming draft?

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I appreciate the call. Thank you a little good stuff. Well,
I think first it depends what Andrew Thomas does this
year now healthy is I think that's the first question,
without a doubt. The other part of the question, which
you know, we're trying to focus on this year and
now look ahead, but we can have some fun talking
long term year. Jermaina Lumanoor is a free agent after
the year, folks, So is Greag VD Rodin, So is

(32:06):
Evan Neil mm hm. So you got three of your
top six offensive linemen in theory. If you want to
put Neil as number six in that group, you can.
I don't know how the Giants have a raded whatever.
So you're going to have to make some type of
decision on your other offensive tackle spot at the end
of the year. Andrew Thomas has locked up long term contractually.

(32:28):
He's not going anywhere. He's on the roster next year.
He's under contract through twenty twenty nine. All right, yep.
And if you look at what are you on over
the cap, I'm on spotrack right spots tracks. It's same difference.
There's no way to get out of this thing until
after the twenty twenty six season at the earliest, and
it's still painful at that point. So they look, Andrew
Thomas is a really good player. I just mentioned it.

(32:49):
He got he was right number one by one of
the voters in Jeremy Dallas Pole. He was number ten
overall despite the injuries. He's not going anywhere. But does
that not mean and you want to draft somebody next
year that maybe has the ability to play left tackle
and right tackle. So maybe if you don't sign Jermaina
Lumore back, which by the way, I want a lttle
Moiter back. I think he's great. I think he's a

(33:11):
really solid player. Complay inside, outside, gives you a lot
of position flexibility. I want him back that do you
draft a tackle that maybe can be your long term
swing depending on how maybe James Hudson plays great this
year and you feel like you feel good about him
being your left tackle. If Thomas is hurt, that's another
thing that plays into it. So don't know. I hate
to give you the equivocating answer here, Lou. I think

(33:33):
we have to see how the season goes before we
have that conversation. But the Giants have down a couple
of years now without drafting an offensive lineman with a
premium pick in the draft.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
In fact, well JMS was the number two.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
That was three drafts go.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Now, yeah, there's three drafts go.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Last two drafts. Yeah, okay, they haven't drafted and offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Right, Well bow was late? Who bo Marcus Bowl?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Oh, Marcus Bowl? That's right, he was late. I thought
about Marcus Bell. Sorry, so that was a day find
out way.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Actually he he could be a dark course at one point.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
No, you know down the road. Hall, You're right, and
I totally he for some reason this amazon you're off
for a couple of these folks, thinks start flying out
of your brain. No, you're a thousand percent right. He's
a long term tackle in their opinion, and he's got
defeat to play the position. We've talked about this. He's
a guy I think you see if he's ready to
play tackle next year, and then that also then impacts
your decision due drafted the guy at tackle. Great point

(34:29):
on Marcus Bell for some reason, I just didn't click
for me.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
But you know what, right now, as it stands, uh,
he's going to be deep in the depth chart because
they're trying to win as many games as they can.
Certainly at the beginning of the season, I don't know
what what Bo's snap Coount's going to be. By the
end of the year, it may turn out that the
Giants are competitive throughout the entire part of their schedule
and they're trying to win games and Marcus Bow doesn't

(34:54):
even get in that's possible, which then means you know,
it's a red shirt year for him, and now you're
going to have to go all of offensive line coach Carmen
Brisillo's evaluation to get a feel as to where he
is after being in the building for a season, because
you may not have any tape on him.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
John, Yeah, I don't know if that's a guy that
they want to play this year.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
To your point, I don't think so. I mean, I
think all things going well, he doesn't play I mean Honestly,
I just don't see the room for him if they're
going to be competitive. Now, if things fall apart and
the last month or so of the season, you know,
the ship has taken on a lot of water and

(35:35):
they have to start playing guys to find out. Okay,
well we got to force feed him in there and
see what we've got. Well, that's a more likely scenario
for him to get a jersey on Sunday. Otherwise, I
think he's very likely not to play.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, no, I'm with you. I agree. So that's something
they're going to have to decide. Again, he certainly has
the athletic ability for it. He's been playing at tackle
that they think he's a tackle. That's where they're starting
him out at. That's what he played Purdue. So that's
another guy. Yeah, But again, I still I think Jermaina
LUMINOI is a great guy to keep around here. All right,
here we go. So of the first this is the set.

(36:10):
In the first eight weeks of twenty twenty five, the
New York Giants will face five top seven pass defenses
from last year. The Broncos, they were number one last year.
They played them in Week seven, they played the Eagles twice,
so that's why it's six games in weeks six and eight.
The Eagles were the number two ranked pass defense last year.
They play the Chargers in Week four. They were the

(36:32):
number three ranked past defense last year. The Commanders were
number six pass defense last year. They played them in
Week one, so it was the Saints and the Cowboys
that were out of the mix. That's my fault.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Ok.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
And then the Chiefs were number seven in past defense
last year. They played them in Week three. By the way,
I'm not buying that commander's ranking, So I'll say five
of the first eight weeks. But still it's gonna be tough.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, I was gonna say, how did Washington get so high? There?
Good question.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
I don't know the answer to that.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, this was based on yardage, I think.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
I think it's one of his efficiency rankings. I don't
think he has it here.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Okay, Well, nonetheless, the point is still to be made.
You know. This is definitely a tailor made situation for
Russell Wilson to be able to use his craftiness, to
have to navigate what could be some rough waters.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
And just overall for the season. Warren Trubb again, I
don't want to completely blow up the interview and give
all the interesting facts on it. But I'll give this one.
Just as we've kind of talked about this throughout the
offseason with how tough the schedule is. But the Giants
this year in terms of their opponents, I'm looking forward
here whereas here we go. They play the second toughest

(37:44):
pass defense schedule in the entire National Football League this year.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Well, that kind of jives with the fact that they
have ten games against teams that made the playoffs last year,
and that is tied for third most. There are two
teams that have eleven, and then there's a bunch of
teams that have ten. So that just goes right along
with the rest of the deal. It's going to be
a tough, tough schedule.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
It is. Just to give you a couple more of
those metrics. It's second in defensive efficiency overall, looks like,
and it's third in pass defense efficiency. So very very
very very very very tough in terms of the passing
game for the Giants this year in terms of the defenses.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
So well, all the more reason why you desperately want
Jalen Hyatt to bust out and add to this passing attack,
because if you've got really good pass defenses to play
every single week, you need somebody to help loosen guys up.
You don't want them beating the stuffing out of neighbors.

(38:48):
You don't want them all over THEO Johnson, who you
hope is going to be a good guy down the scene.
You need to get that secondary spread out. Hyatt can
help do that if he's if he's gonna really turn
the switch on.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Coach Marven will get to you in a second, but
first I wanna go to Edward from our YouTube feed.
Do you think McFadden will be extended? I think he
is a huge part of our defense. That's one of
the interesting extension guys Paul coming up next year that
the Giants have to make a call on. So I
know they like him as a player. I think he's
a good player. I think that comes down to price point.
Can you get him at a price point that you
think makes sense for him and for the team.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I totally agree with that, John and part of his
believe it or not, For me, there's a little bit
of an attachment here because I think this year he's
actually gonna have to fight for snaps with Abdull Carter
some because Carter's gonna play some with Burns and Thibodeau.
You're not taking o'cake off the field. So McFadden's gonna

(39:45):
be the guy who's probably gonna lose some of those
snaps when the three pass rushers are out of the field.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Which is a shame. Is McFadden is actually a pretty
good blitzer. Yes it is, and he's.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Had back to back hundred tackle seasons.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
But it's Abdul Carter. I mean, no, you gotta be
on the field. He's a percent.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
So McFadden's probably gonna lose some of those snaps. Now,
depending upon down the road, what do you do with Thibodeau.
Remember they got his fifty year option for twenty twenty six,
but beyond that, you don't know. Well, does Carter eventually
wind up moving out and becoming a full time outside guy. Well,

(40:22):
if you're gonna do that, you can now sign McFadden
to a longer term extension. But if you're not gonna
do that, and you still want to put Carter all
over the place and you want to retain Thibodeau, then
I don't think you invest money in McFadden. No, you're right.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
I think it's an interesting conversation. Paul on YouTube wants
to know, how do you see Chauncey Golston being mixed
into the trio of Burns, Thibodeau and Carter. It's a
good question. I still see him as more of an
early down edge and then a pass rushing three technique.
That's how I think he gets mixed in. I think
he's probably a fifty percent snapcount type of player when
you take a look at how this is gonna play out,

(40:58):
and you can also play him at defense end in
a four man line. You can play him at five
technique defensive end in a three man in an odd
man front right with three down linemen, two outside linebackers,
five men front. So that's the good thing about Goldston, Paul.
He's so big and athletic. He can do a lot
of different things. So I think that's where you're going
to see him most.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, I think that the fact that he not only
plays the run well, but he's really good at knocking
passes down at the line. He's made a habit of
doing that with Dallas and did have five and a
half sacks last year.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Ether did that in spring practice a lot too. He
did knocking on down the line.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I mean again, I don't want to invoke this name
because it's going to drive people crazy. But the style
of player, he's going to have a lot of that
justin Tuck's style in him and usage in him. I'm
not calling him justin Tuck. Please don't say that.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
I mean Tuck played defensive tackle on early downs. I'm
not sure we're going to see much of that from Colston.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
No, I don't think so either, but you'll see some
of the similarities and how he's used in the scheme.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Not by that. All right, let's go to coach Marvin
and Delawre and keep getting those commentsed on YouTube. By
the way, we will get to them. Coach, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (42:01):
How you doing? John and Paul?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Good?

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (42:04):
I hope you guys enjoy your little your vacation.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
I did. I don't think Paul did, but I did.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah. Missed the show though.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Oh man, I live and breathe that, you know what
it is.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
Yeah, hopefully I'll see you guys in another not this weekend,
next weekend. I'll be there next week.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Excellent.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Let us Sunday great if y'all yes, So I'll try
to hunt you down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
I'll be in the cot underneath the bleachers.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
No, you didn't even marching up and down the sideline
glowing like the golden sun is what you're gonna be doing.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Go ahead, and uh yeah, hopefully I get to see
you or meet you.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Guys.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Well, I'm listening about the offensive line and a little
bit of what's going on. I didn't know if you
guys heard Pat Kerwin. I'm a big fan of Pat
Curve great and he was, and they was grading all
the offensive lines in the league, and they got to
the NFC East, and I don't know if y'all heard

(43:07):
that grade. The thing he was given NFC East he
gave Obviously, he gave the Eagles I think they had
I think the highest number of offensive linemen can get
as a five. And then he also put in how
how many points the individuals on the bench experience they

(43:30):
have and things like that, how many games they played?
All that runs into his points grade, and he gave
the Eagles a eighteen. I believe it was eighteen. He
gave the Cowboys they got a fourteen, and I believe
the Redskins either got a twelve or fourteen with the Cowboys,

(43:51):
and they got to the Giants and he actually graved
them sixteen and he was saying that he felt that
they're going to be a little better than we anticipate
they're gonna be. So that was kind of encouraging to
hear from a guy that studies the game.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, we have this. I'm looking up. When we did
our rankings, Coach Marvin, and we ranked the offensive lineman,
all of us had the Giants coming in at below
the Dallas Cowboy, but below the Eagles. We had them
number one, and then it kind of varied Lance and
I had the Giants at number two on the list

(44:30):
and you and Sidetack looks like I had them at
number one on the list of I'm not mistaken. That's
what I have here.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
It looks like one.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
No Philly won, No. No one isn't last.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Oh you know what, I don't. I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
That's what I'm looking at here. So we kind of
had them in the mixes, like number three on the list.
It was kind of them in Dallas where even and
Washington was number two. That's kind of what we were
looking at here. But they've definitely closed the gap, and
I think it's a combination of the Giants coach Marvin
getting a little bit better, but I think it's also
a com nation of the Dallas Cowboys dropping off. Yeah,
now we can and now and we did. Our Cowboys

(45:04):
preview went up on BBK yesterday. We could be talking
about this Cowboys offensive line next year. They have so
many young players that, all right, their number two in
the division, They're gonna be great for a while. It's
just a matter of how their young guys developed. The
Giants have got more of the veteran route, right. They
don't have a lot of young guys except for Schmid's
on the offensive line, so I think they're trying to
bring some level of stability and raise the floor of

(45:25):
the unit, and they've done that mostly through spending money
in free agency rather than using the draft to do that.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Hey, coach, the one thing that I've really kind of
leaned a lot on in discussing this line, and I'd
like you to address the point because I believe very
strongly in Carmen Brisillo, the offensive line coach who came
in last year and I thought did a marvelous job
the first third of the season when he had his
guys available once they started to break down, and he

(45:54):
was trying to piece things together with you know, paper
clips and staples. So they suffered. And I get that,
But from your perspective, I mean, can you explain you
you were a head coach. I know it was at
a different level, but the offensive line coach is a
very big factor in that room.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Yeah, it's totally different on my level than their level.
It's a little more, it's a lot more advanced. But
the way I came up, being raised in the seventies
and watching the game, everything was inside the trenches offense
and defensive line, so everything was based on those kids
that can play the line. I always cherish those guys

(46:36):
because how much they sacrifice. Especially you're talking kids on
my level. A lot of kids come in and before
high school, when I was on the younger on the
youth level, you're trying to find out who's who, and
you ask kids who can play wide receiver. All of
them got their hands up. Who wants to be a quarterback?
The hands up? Who wants to be the running back?

(46:57):
All of them got their hands up. I can't find
one of them that wants to be an offensive lineman
and my son was planned. In my first year he
was playing and my son wanted to be a running back,
which I felt he wasn't athletic enough to win the job.
I told him he can go for it, but it's
going to be tough. It's gonna be like four or
five kids ahead of you. And I told them, but

(47:17):
what you can do is play. I thought he fit
the built up a center and I told them, center,
you want to get on the field, raise your hand
up that you can play the offensive line. You're going
to get the first chance to prove you can play.
And that's how he got on the field. But I
try to get a lot of athletic kids on the
offensive line with side that can move their feet. And

(47:40):
that's how important it was because on that level, everything's
dealing with the running game more than.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
The passing game.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
So that's why I was more in the built in
dealing with the trenches in the offensive line. And I
always cherish those guys and I tell the players that
you should feel the same way if you're a running
back or receiver. The first one you should be celebrating
with as an offensive line because they gave us the
time to do what we do, so it's very important.

(48:11):
Pat Kerrman were actually talking the same thing. You got
what John was just saying. He gave the Giants a
good grade because of the injuries they have and what
they did this year. They brought in more debt, more
guys that have played more football, so he felt that
if you get guys with experience, it to help them

(48:32):
when they're dealing with injuries. So it was a pretty
good show that he gave about that, So it was
it was interesting. He also did the edge rushers real quick,
I don't want to take up too much now. He
did the edge rushers. He gave the Cowboys a sixteen,

(48:55):
the highest you can get an individuals seven and you know,
Michael Parson got ven flowers I think it was, got
a seven and the rest of their team got two,
so they had sixteen. He downplayed the Eagles. He think
they built inside out. They don't. They don't have a

(49:17):
lot of He felt they lost a lot of edge rushers,
so they got guys that really have improved them. So
and I think he gave them I believe it was
a fourteen he gave them, And he gave the Redskins
a twelve, and they got to the Giants and he
gave the Giants a sixteen equal to the Cowboys. Only

(49:40):
it was only one that got a seven was Brian Burns.
I believe Thibodeau got a four, I believe, and then
the rest, all the rest of them added it up
to sixteen. So he said he gave some good compliments
that he felt that the Giants defense. He said, don't
be surprised if he have them rated very high. I'm

(50:02):
thinking he was talking top five.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Well, my guest coach is that he probably didn't want
to give Abdual credit Abdual Carter credit for anything yet
because he's a rookie. But I imagine he's he's going
to push that number up a lot.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
He did say that, but he did. He said, with rookies,
he can only give them, I think up to a two.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
That's because he never played. Sure Dual Carter got a two, okay,
and he felt that Abdual Carter will. It's like you
would listen to the show. He actually did say that
about Abdual Carter, that he can be the difference. And
that's what he's saying. He believes the defense is going
to be a lot better than than people anticipate, and

(50:47):
I appreciate he gave him a good rating, So thank
you us. I hope to see you guys soon. Guys, Yeah,
I'll take care count on it definitely.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Let us do know. Worry at where you're sitting and
we'll make sure we say hi when you come here
for that training camp practicers. By the way, there are
still tickets of bailable for training camp. Yes, so go
to giants dot com Slash Training Camp. It's a lot
of fun for the adults. They can have autographs from alumni.
The kids can get autographs from their current players, high
five lines, concessions, food souvenirs, there's a team shop, a

(51:16):
lot of fun stuff for the kids. So come out
the training campractice. Giants dot com Slash Training Camp tickets
are free. Go get them while they last because they
are going going quickly. Paul, we got about five minutes here.
Do you want to go through one or two of
these other categories or you got something else you want
to bring up.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
No, I was just going to say specifically the practices
that are still available if you haven't gone to the website.
July twenty third, twenty fourth, twenty eighth, twenty ninth, and
thirty first.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
And these are all weekday of practices, just definitely Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Twenty three, twenty four, twenty eight, twenty nine, and thirty first.
Those are five practices still available.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
All right, let me give you some untilicited advice. If
you're choosing between those practices, lean towards the twenty eighth,
twenty ninth, and thirty first, because those are going to
be headed practices. There you go, and those first couple
ones are not going to be patted practice.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Correct, so it's less to see.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
There is less to see, So make sure you go
check that out on giants dot Com Slash Training Camp.
And I also mentioned this a couple of times. Check
out the Johnson the Podcast. We're winding down our position
group interviews. We just did off ball linebackers. We have
coming up next week the safeties and corners, including on
one of them with Pulse and Adiba will post separately

(52:27):
on YouTube, so check that out. Johnson the Podcast can
be found on your favorite podcast platform, Giants dot Com,
Slash Podcast, Giants app, Giants YouTube channel, go find it.
Subscribe on your favorite podcast platform. Paul, you can pick
the position. Which one do you want to hit here
that you find interesting?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Well, I think when we were talking earlier, before we
got to this whole situation, we didn't go over the quarterbacks,
did we in this program?

Speaker 3 (52:52):
That's what I was suggested to. Let's do quarterbacks, you know, so.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Because there are a couple very very intriguing ones in
terms of where they land.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
And I think it comes to a point that you
made and folks, we're not gonna go much past one
point thirty day, so we're gonna try to do this quick.
The top four is not a surprise. That's the four
guys you would think in the order. The order they
have in is Mahomes, Allen Burrow, Lamar Jackson. I would
not have a problem moving those guys in any order
you want. You're fine with it either way.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Jayden Daniels coming in at number five with a lot
of effusive praise for him. Yeah, similar to c. J.
Stradd last year he came in at number seven. Let's
see if they can if Daniel's gonna have a better
second year than C. J. Stroud did. Matthew Stafford at
number six, which sounds about right to me. Justin Herbert
coming in at number seven makes sense, Jared goffin number eight, fine,

(53:39):
Jalen Hurts at nine, and then Baker Mayfield getting into
the mix at number ten. Last two years he's thrown
seventy three touchdown passes. You know, it's been very productive.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
You know he went down the yellow brick road and
found the Wizard of Oz because these last two years
he has been so productive.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Now new offensive course this year Leam saw m left
to go to the Jaguars, so we see how that goes.
The runner ups here were Stroud, Jordan Love, Kyler, Murray,
Rock Purdy, Dak Prescott, Aaron Rodgers, Tua and Bo Nicks.
The guys I think the best argument to move into
the top ten next year or Dak, Purty, Love and Stroud,

(54:24):
and I could see them replacing. You know, we talked
about Baker. I could see Jalen Hurts sliding out of
the top ten. Want to talk about him too. And
then you know it's just where would you draw the line, Paul,
in terms of your tears, you have your first four,
who would you put in that second tier guys?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, see that's where it gets really sticky for me
because I'm a big Herbert guy, and I know that
overall people wanted to see him win more. I understand
I would put him in that second tier, though, but
he's there for me.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Stafford is there for me. I agree with that, and.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Goff is there for me. He has to be because
his efficiency has been ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
I have no problem with go in that.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
And he certainly has been a part of a winner. Yep.
They've won a lot of games these last couple of
years with him there.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
I would probably expand the group a little more from that. See,
that's where I would I would to me, it's a
very thin second group. So then how how thin is
would your third group?

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Then day, how thin would my third group be? There's
probably four guys in the third Oh.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Okay, so yes, see, I think you're just being a
little bit more specific with your grouping. Who would you
put in your third group out of curiosity?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Well, yeah, as much as you know, I may not
be a big Hurts fan personally, he's got to be there,
you know, he's got to be there. Of the other
guys who are listed here in that group, I'm not
a that guy, but I understand, you know, if people
wanted to put him there. I couldn't fight you on it.
I'm not a that guy myself, but jeez, who else.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Love Stroud Baker? Yeah, to be the other guys.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Baker's got to be in there, doesn't he Look at
what he's done. Look, I was never a Baker Mayfield guy,
but in Tampa these last couple of years, he has
been ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
That's where I would draw the line. So you have
the top ten guys in there, list Paul, and then
I would have and again I'm not doing orders here,
I'm just doing guys I would have in those groups, right, Shroud, Love, Purty, Dak,
And then I think there's the drop off. I would
put Murray in the group below that. I would put

(56:35):
two in the group below that nicks those guys, So
that means I have my I would definitely agree kind
of cut off at let me see, it's eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
So I would feel any I would feel good about
having anybody in that top fourteen group. And then I
think after that, you're getting into like I'm not sure

(56:57):
if I have the right quarterback to try to win
a Super Bowl with. That's kind of where I would stand.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I think I'm going to take one another quick look here.
See if there's anybody else that I might.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Want to I'll throw an aim at you up there.
Go ahead, Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
You know what I don't. He's fringe for me in
that third group. His fringe.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
It's funny you would think Lawrence, we would talk about
Lawrence the way we would talk about Baker, and we
would talk about Baker the way we talk about Lawrence. Yes,
the Baker has just frankly been better to be totally
honest with.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
He's changed the narrative.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
He's been great. That's where he's who is credit good
for him? How close would you have Geno Smith or
Sam Donald into that next tier.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Donald's got to do more than one year to sell me.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
I agree, I'm with you on that.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
How about you know, I would reluctantly probably have to
put Gino at the bottom of that tier. But I
think he sneaks in.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
I think I would too.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Uh. The one guy who, unfortunately, as I just quickly
just called up the list of quarterbacks in the league,
who I'm gonna have to say we can't ignore, is
Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
I think Aaron Rodgers probably is still at the bottom
of the third tier for me.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
He might be. I don't he might be.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I don't think he might be falling off a cliff.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
I'm not. I'm not gonna fight you on that. I
probably wouldn't just because I've seen enough deterioration. But if
you want to, I'm not gonna argue with you.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
You know, that's probably the only other guy who might
deserve consideration for the bottom.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Of three for me, Paul, good stuff, my friend. Yeah,
that's Big Blue Kickoff Lie presented by Cadillite, the official
luxury vehicle to the Giants. We're back next week. What do
we decide, Paul, I don't want to mess with the people.
Did we say two o'clock for BBK? Doran Kamp? Oh,
maybe I better look at your y Yes, and and
and I'm gonna look up the schedule because practice starts

(58:55):
next week. Guy, So we're gonna try to make sure
we don't interrupt the show with media ails and stuff
like that every day. So we're gonna put the show
a little bit later after practice, after media so we
could talk about all that stuff. Yes, two pm. So
if you're going on Monday, it's going to be two
pm for Big Book Kickoff Live every day probably for
the next three weeks. Then the practice schedule changes again
and it's all TBD, so we're gonna have to wait

(59:17):
and see what it looks like after that. But for
the next three weeks, starting on Monday, it'll be two
o'clock for Big Book Kickoff Live. For Paul Tatino. I
am John Schmelk. Thank you so much for being with us.
We'll see you tomorrow or Monday. From the Hackensack Marine
Health Podcast Studio. Keep getting better.